Happy Sad Confused - Leslie Bibb

Episode Date: May 12, 2021

From being discovered by Oprah(!) to "Popular" to "Talladega Nights" all the way to playing a superhero in the new Netflix series, "Jupiter's Legacy", Leslie Bibb has persevered and prospered thanks to tenacity, hard work, and talent. She joins Josh all the way from Australia on this episode to talk about it all! And yes, the great Sam Rockwell makes a cameo to say hi! To watch this episode of "Happy Sad Confused" and check out our new "Game Night" series and more, join the Happy Sad Confused patreon here! For all of your media headlines remember to subscribe to The Wakeup newsletter here! And listen to THE WAKEUP podcast here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Today on Happy, Sad, Confused, Leslie Bid becomes a superhero at last in Jupiter's legacy. Hey, guys, I'm John. Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused, with a first-time guest, Ms. Leslie Bibb. This was such a fun conversation with someone that I've known for quite a while. I know her partner, Sam Rockwell, very well, for a long while.

So it was fun to bring all those worlds together for a long-distance chat all the way from Australia, Leslie Bibb, talking about her new Netflix series, Jupiter's Legacy. More on that in a second. But first, a couple other business items. to mention. We launched the Happy, Sad, Confused, Patreon just about a week ago, a little over a week ago, and I am so thrilled with a response, guys. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. If you haven't checked it out,

I encourage you to just check it out because if you love what I do here on Happy, Sad, Confused, you're probably going to love what we're doing over on the Patreon page. It's patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. Again, Patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. The big stuff we're doing are all these new video shows. So we have a new show called Happy Sad Confused Game Night. The first episode went up last week with Sam Hew and Colin O'Donohue and Cat McNamara.

That was a blast. We have already shot another episode of Game Night with another trio of amazing guests. That is coming soon. I'm not going to say any more than that. We're putting up video versions of the podcast, including the Andrew Garfield conversation, which exploded last week when Andrew Garfield commented for the first time and all the rumors about him returning to playing Spider-Man in the next Spider-Man film. A lot of people think he's lying.

What do I think? You know what? In the moment, I believed him, the more I think about it, I think we're going to see Andrew Garfield and Spider-Man. That is, by the way, not based on anything insider knowledge of anything, except the stuff I've heard like everybody else. and the fact that I think Andrew Garfield, there's some tells in there

in the way he answered the question. But I'm thrilled that we had that kind of conversation. And by the way, if you only seen the clips of that, I encourage you to listen or watch the full Andrew Garfield interview because there's so much fun stuff in that episode that I'm thrilled we got. Anyway, all of which is to say that video extended version of Happy Second Fused is only available on the Patreon page,

as is Game Night, as are all the exclusive news about upcoming guests, the merch we debuted, a look at the first Happy Say I Confused T-shirt, which you can get at the third tier. So, you know, we're trying stuff out. And again, I'm honestly very humbled and thrilled that as many of you guys have signed up as you have. And got a lot of cool guests coming up, cool game nights, video versions of the podcast, and all sorts of other stuff up our sleeves. So check it out. patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. What other things are mentioned? Oh, this is big.

This is exciting. So I'm starting to do stuff in person again. You know, like virtual interviews are great, but I did a little shoot last week for MTV, and I am about to journey on a plane for the first time since the madness happened early last year to Los Angeles. I will be at the MTV movie and TV awards guys. You know, this is something I've been doing for a long while where I post the red carpet stuff for MTV. I do the backstage stuff. And that is the plan this year. And I am so, so thrilled. It's going to be surreal and weird after the crazy last year. But I'm really looking forward to it. Some amazing presenters and nominees are going to be there. Leslie Jones is hosting. So look out for that. I'm going to put all the

content of course up on my social stuff on at joshua horowitz on twitter and instagram but um also just check out the mtv news page i'll be popping up on air that night for mtv um so you know it's exciting to go back to one of the perennial things i always love doing which is covering our own awards show at mtv and i think this will be uh will be a good one so yeah so that that's the major stuff the patreon the mtv stuff um and then the main event today wesley bibb so let's Leslie Bibb, of course, has been killing it for years in all sorts of film and TV projects. You might have seen her way back when in Popular, in Talladega Nights, and, you know, in Tag in recent years, every kind of genre she's been in, and she's currently starring in Jupiter's Legacy,

which is this really cool new show on Netflix. I watched the whole thing. I was really into it. It's based on Mark Miller's comic book of the same name. a very big story, an ambitious story, a multi-generational superhero family story. And the leaders of this family, the mom and dad, are Leslie and Josh Dumell. And, yeah, I was into it. I really, I just, like, vinched it in about a day and a half, and I think you guys will dig it. And as I said to Leslie, I appreciate that it's a superhero project that kind of swings for the fences

and, you know, goes for stuff we haven't seen in superhero films or TV projects before. So, well, we're checking out. It's on Netflix right now. As I also said, Leslie is in Australia right now. So the connection was pretty good. I will say, for some reason, my audio was a little bit screwy. I'll see if we can mend it, but I might be a little hot, as they say, a little loud, but hopefully it'll all even out and won't sound so crappy for you guys.

Also worth mentioning Sam Rockwell, the great Sam Rockwell, Leslie's partner, shows up in this conversation. I think we'll use a little bit of it just because it's like the casual stuff up top when Sam popped in. He's just the best guy on the planet and has been so sweet to me over the years and I positively adore him. So it was nice of him to come by and say hi and reference all our silly shenanigans over the years. he mentions a gimp mask that's a reference to an after our sketch we did he references a moon video another sketch we did way back when so a lot of history there those are the kind of what we're talking about if you hear me and sam and leslie talk about that stuff um but yeah so a little sam but a lot of leslie in this and she is so fun and smart and interesting and um yeah we cover a lot

in this conversation and i'm thrilled she took the time out from her adventure in australia she's shooting a new another Netflix series with the great Melissa McCarthy and Ben Falcone and she gets to play Satan in it guys come on um all right so that's enough preamble all the plugs are in MTV movie and TV awards this Sunday night on MTV if I didn't say that um Patreon.com slash happy say I confused for extras and bonus stuff and for the main event today yeah it's me Leslie Bibb and a little Sam Rockwell You packed Sam Rockwell in your carry-on case all the way to Australia. Hey, guys.

Oh, Josh. Good to see you, buddy. Good to see you both. Is there a Gimp mask in this interview? Just wait. I was going to be my big surprise. How are you guys doing? Hey, where's the moon short film we did?

Whoa, whoa. Don't go. Boom. See what I got to do? See what I got to do with? He comes in whenever I have hair and makeup on all. he goes is like, I just want to mess you up. He's so needy. He's so demanding. He loves you so much, though. Right back at both of you. Can you hear me? Now I can. Awesome. He just said, I do my best work

with you. Well, he does pretty good work with everybody, I would say. Yes. But Josh, when I said, I said, oh, guess who I'm going to do? I get to do, I'm doing Josh Horowitz's podcast. I'm so excited. I feel honored. And Sam's like, I love that guy. I love that guy. Yeah, yeah, that guy's great. And then he proceeded to send me every clip he's done with you. Oh, yeah, that happened. Like, but no, I mean, he doesn't always say that, but he really does. That's very sweet. I adore that man beyond all reasonable feelings. I mean, what's that clip with you and Justin Long in a devil costume? Leslie, we need to get you in on the action. I'll get in on the action. I mean, COVID's ruining everything.

It really is. Look at that surfboard. Did that come with a place? Do you guys bring that? I brought it from New York. I like to have a surfboard with no fin that's made of wood. That's probably has zero buoyancy in it. And I like to go out in shark-infested waters.

Yeah, on the Hudson. That's the best surfing, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And here in Australia, I like to go out to Belongel Beach. you know, where there's some sharks and just see, you know, roll the dice, if you will. I was going to say, this is all too much gold, Ben, to, I'm not going to even do an official start.

We've started already. Is that okay, Leslie? This is, this is it. I think, what is Sam doing? He's rolling. I just saw, I can just see like a head popping out of a bush. And I was like, what is he doing? And I was like, he's rolling, he's rolling out. He's very, he likes to hydrate and roll out. You guys are very limber. The most limber couple I know. he's very limber i'm not but he's very limber he's always he's always stretching our friend was doing a meeting with him and he said are you this is like a real meeting sam like this is like a real meeting about projects like would you stop stretching and he's he's like you're like a cliche of an actor what do you mean i'm not a cliche he's like made him crazy this is what happens after you get the

oscar you just feel like you can do anything i can just stretch out he's gonna yeah i mean He's doing the TRX outside right now. Yeah, you can't see him. That's okay. It's probably for the best. Yeah. So tell me, tell me, you're in Australia. And before we get to Jupiter's legacy, which I really dug, I want to talk about what you're up to right now.

No, I truly did. This is all my interest coinciding. It's you, superheroes. It's Josh Dumel in crazy hair. It's all the things I love in life. Crazy hair. Before we get to that. Because you're in Australia on what sounds like an awesome.

project. You're working with like one of my other favorite couples on the planet, Melissa McCarthy and Ben Falcone. Talk to me about you're playing Satan. What's happening? Playing Satan. I mean, I mean, it's like a get out of jail free card. It's so fun to go to. There's really not, there's sort of no ground I can not go to when you're on set. You know, it's all. Their first, first Australia. Australia coming from the state. where it you know and I got here at the end of February so it was really intense the vaccines weren't out and you know it was just intense Sam was in London I came here and went straight into quarantine which was like whoa this is a lot but then I remember Ben and Melissa kept saying

it's dreamy here it's dreamy and I didn't really understand I mean I was like okay it's dreamy like I just thought and then I got out and I went oh it's dreamy it's dreamy it's like it's sunny no masks you know the Sam the minute Sam I was waiting to do so much stuff until he got out because it felt like you know he's been a year of being cooped up everybody has and so we got to the first thing we did is we went and saw a movie he I mean he got out on on Wednesday He got here to where I am. And I think Thursday had a day off. And we went and saw Supernova with Colin Firth and Stanley Tucci.

And that felt really nice. It felt nice to sit in a movie. I forgot how much I missed it. I did a double feature yesterday. First time in 14 months in a movie theater. Masks or no masks? Masked. It was a press screening.

So there was also only a couple people masked. And it was like a nice dip back in. And you're right. It felt like I wasn't stressed. It was just like, yeah, this doesn't feel like that much time has passed. This is my comfort zone. It was kind of a beautiful. Yeah. I mean, we were no masks eating popcorn. Crazy. Like that was like, that was really crazy. So in a weird way, I think there's like some psychological stuff that's going to happen to all of us to sort of get back to. to whatever normal is, will it ever be normal? I mean, I hope, I mean, I hope, I mean, movie theaters have to. I mean, when I heard that the arc light was closing, that's so upsetting to me. Like, that's, as Sam likes to call it, the Cinemorama Dome.

He's like, we got to go to the Cinemarama Dome. Just add one little syllable in there. Yeah, but it's true. Like, you, you, what other place do you go see, you know, Fury Road, you know, Like, you can't, like, that, like, we saw Avatar there. Like, we, like, you, it's awesome. And you guys know, in New York, we've already experienced it. The Ziegfeld closed a few years ago.

There's, like, no big theaters here. Ziggfeld was our, that's our Christmas Day movie theater. Totally. Because it's not like the greatest, I mean, the seats are not very comfortable. Right. But that theater is everything. A giant chandelier and the whole, yeah, everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, good popcorn. A lot of it is like where a good popcorn is. I mean, I, it's like the Angelica, like, even though those seats are like so uncomfortable, I, you're stuffed in or film forum, film is better because it's like a rate. I love that rate. Well, and they were, yeah, they did do a renovation recently, but no, but the Angelica's crazy because, and I love it, but literally like you're going to hear a subway for 20% of that film. But I don't care. No, it's okay. It's all good. I love it. I love it. So I don't know. But, like, I think movie theaters have become, like, safe.

There's, you know, like, home, like, you know, if you're a kid and you're like, well, I'm a base, I'm safe. That's my base. You know, like, wherever you go, whatever city, you know, we're sort of, you know, you're always going to a new place and sort of there's a nomadic lifestyle with being an actor. And so I feel like, you know, and it's our job. So I love to watch people do it. and hopefully do it better, you know,

so that I can steal all their ideas and put it into something I want to do, you know? I love that inspo of like going to see movies and seeing old movies. Like film forum, I love that place. I love going to see movies there so much. And so that, that I miss. But so it's Australia is, it's beautiful.

It's dreaming. It's what Ben and Melissa said. So that was already like a win. to sort of, you know, sort of go back to some sense of normalcy. And then to get to work with those two, it's, they're really nice. They're really nice. They are super crazy. It's almost you're waiting for the other shoe to drop.

But like, it must be, I mean, you've obviously done a lot of this and you've done a lot of big comedy, very successful comedy. But it has to always be a nice, like, validation when like the Adam McKay and the Will Ferrell say, welcome to our party or the Melissa McCarthy and Ben Falcone say like yeah you're one of us we trust you to play that that was and and yeah it's funny it's the feeling I had when I got the call I'm like a Saturday I remember my agent like sometimes when I don't get it like no everybody every actor's like those periods where it feels a little dry if you will and my agent Eddie O'Blon's, he said to me, he goes, Bibb, Bibby, your life can change with a phone call. Just wait.

And I remember it was like, Sam had left for London. I was in this house rental in L.A. And I was like, okay, well, I'm going to be here. And then I guess I'll go back to New York and maybe go see Sam in London. I was like, because I didn't know what work looked like, you know, like, you know, pandemic. And a friend of mine is directing a bunch of these episodes. And he is good friends, Michael McDonald, who was on. at TV. And he taught Melissa and Ben at the groundlings. Oh, wow. And he's one of the funniest human

beings. He's so, he's like a laser. He's so fast. And my phone rang at 8.30 on a Saturday night. And I was, yes, already in bed watching, pretend it's a city because I was missing New York City. I binge that like crazy. Oh, my God. I still just, I go back and watch it. It was like, It comforted me so much that it would put me to sleep in like the, it was like a cradle. I don't know how Fram became my cradle, but she was my cradle. And I love how Scorsese is so amused by her. Like, his face is the cutest. So anyway, yes, you're in bed watching family bullets.

And the phone rings from an unknown caller, and I pick it up. And it's Michael. And he goes, hey, I'm going to, Ben and Melissa, and I want you to do this thing. And I just want to know, is it something you would do? And I was like, why are you saying it? Like, do I want to? It's like, I get to play Satan. And they're touched by God.

And he's like, all your scenes are pretty much with them. And it's really fun. He's like, if I were, if I were, this is the part, I would want to play. And I was like, what? And he kept saying, are you? And I was like, why are you saying that? What's the downfall? selling we're okay you had me at like do you want to go to australia i would have been like in a banana

costume being like hey guys um and so yeah and then the scripts came and two weeks later i was on a on a plane and also before i left i had to learn how to ride like ride a motorcycle and it was just crazy i mean and then you get here and they're so nice they're just I know. And they love a set that's really easygoing. And they constantly are, any idea you have, they're like, yeah, yeah, try it. Try it. And then you do something. And then Melissa's like, oh, maybe it's like, it's just collaborative in the most wonderful sense of the word. So not only are you working, you're working on something that's really fun, but you're also working with people who inspire you. you. And I don't know, I come home from work and I feel like that was a good day at the office. Well, and remind you like how it can be in its best iteration, right? Like that it doesn't have to feel like shitty or doesn't have to be egos on the set. And it can just be a collective, cooperative fun time. What do you think? Why do you think that happens? What is that fear base?

Like when people get like past me, right? Like I think a lot of it is insecurities. It's just they that manifests in shitty ways for unfortunately some people and they lash out, I mean. Which is ironic that people create an environment for creativity in a fear-based. Right. Create a fear-based environment and then say, hey, come be fearless. Right, right. Just go, swing for the fences. Yeah.

And then they've done nothing to give you a bedrock that's sturdy and safe. Yeah, it's funny, though, you mentioned, like, Melissa, like, it's like, and something about some of these comedians, it's like, I've done a lot with Sandler over the years, and he infamously creates that same kind of environment. It's like they have a certain level you get to, and maybe it's like, you know, they realize that as important as anything is creating a just happy environment and like. Well, maybe also they're just saying like life short and why do we want to work with assholes? I always say that. It's like there's so much talent in your industry that it's like, why do we have to reward the assholes? We can just like, there are 10 other people that are really talented that just by luck or lack thereof are waiting. So fuck you guys. Bring on the other, the nice folks.

And there's also this thing that like, well, only this. And there's like very few people like, I think Sammy is a like, like, I don't know how many Sammies. I don't know how many Joaquin Phoenixes are out there. Right. You know, like, I don't know if there's another fill. Like, that's, that, that's like a mold broken, you know. You know, how many male streets are there?

I don't know, you know, like, but come down one notch from that. Right, exactly. We got a lot of people in that one. Yeah. And they're talented and they're funny and they're kind and they're great. They might not just be as well known. I mean, there is this idea that I think it's kind of bullshit, this idea of like, well, it sells foreign.

Like, foreign somehow is like how people get parts. And it's like, I remember being, talking to producers, talking about financing, and going through their list of like, what gets foreign. Right. I remember talking to somebody and I was like, we should get James Gordon. because I'd seen him in one man, two goves. And I was like, this would be great. And they were like, I was like, he just did this play.

It's on Broadway. It's on one man, two goves. This guy is a star. Yeah. Perfect for this part. We would be so lucky to have him. And they were like, and I remember the princess producers said, I mean, Broadway, nobody really cares.

Nobody cares about Broadway. Nobody cares about theater. And I dropped out a project. I was like, that, we don't speak, we don't speak the same language. You're, you're speaking to like, yeah, they're subscribing to some algorithm in their head and not like just kind of simple. The simple way to go is just like, that person is talented, that person has it, which is kind of apparent to anybody with a eye for or knows for this stuff.

So. Yeah. And, and like, I think like a month later he got in, in, in the, woods or into the woods or whatever that musical with Meryl Streep and and like you know I just I think it's it's so arrogant to think and and you know and like you never know what somebody's next like you sort of pass on somebody and they end up getting you know it just I think I'm always impressed with directors and and studios that make bold choices and sort of think outside the box and stuff.

I want to get into a little bit of the new project for a sec because here's, okay, so a Jupyers legacy is the project. It's on Netflix. I binged it truly. Like before I knew I was going to talk to you, I was all in. Really? Yeah, no, truly. Amazing.

So do you like that? Do you like, do you love that world? Do you love? I do, but I'm not, I don't watch it all. I don't love it all. I'll be honest. I liked what I mean, I liked a lot about this. I hadn't read the source material.

I knew Mark Miller a bit from kickass, et cetera. But I liked Isn't he a piece of work? Isn't he a piece of work? I mean, he's a personality, yeah. He is, I mean, he sent me, I just got an email from him. He's like, hey, sis, I just love. He just called me sis.

He's like a PT Barnum of his own making. He can like sell. Yeah. I think, and he's like, I think he was like a doctor. Oh, really? He didn't, he's not from that. world like I think he was like a scientist or like in the medit like some thing and started writing comics it's like it's that I found really interesting go ahead I'm sorry I didn't

mean no but I was going to say I mean this is super ambitious like I like I like big swings in virtually anything and this is like spans decades and it's like it's stuff that could on paper maybe not work you're like oh my god they're going to play two different ages and it's going to be multi-generational and it's really yes it's about superheroes but it's kind of like you know godfather two of superhero stories that's that's big stuff to go after yeah um i do think yeah i mean i'm not it's not usually my genre right superhero stuff i also think it's been done like dead i mean like deadpool i loved uh i mean i think the first iron man i don't think they ever got it better than that I think that's like a perfect film.

I think Favreau and Downy, like, done, number one. It is like, it's perfection. But, you know, it's been done. And there have been versions of that have been done really well. And so I was like, how do you reinvent this wheel? And so I like that aspect of, like, future, are there present, past? And it is. big like to try to do and and by no means am i saying it's godfather too but it was interesting

that somebody swung for a fence that was that fence yeah so to go this is this thing i don't know will people stick with it i hope they do i thought it was interesting i i also thought like how do you play a superhero because then you're playing somebody like that that doesn't make sense to me as an actor so i remember you know i break all my scripts with my acting coach, this guy Terry Knickerbocker, same guy Sammy works with. And he taught at the school. Oddly, Sam and I went to the same acting school. I was going to say when I was reading up, because I've talked to Sam so many times and Esper always comes up and I had no idea that was part of your start too. That's crazy. Yeah. It was so crazy. He finished school before me.

He's older. And I did my first year. I studied with Maggie Flanagan. And I did my first year. And I was, I was 19 in my first year. And then I just remember her saying your life experience, what brings you to life separates you from every actor. And she was tough on me. And she was really tough on me. But I think she believed in me. So she was like, you're going to get away.

The doors are going to open for you. I feel like because of the way you look or whatever, it's going to be. But I want you to be tough as nails. And I want you to be good, which was amazing. But still I would weep. the time because she would rip me a new asshole constantly and like push me like push to go far

it go deeper go deeper but i remember her saying that your your life experiences what brings you to life separates you from every actor and i was like i i took a i took a leave of absence for my first year to my second year and i was modeling was my bartending job like it was like what paid my bills and i was like i can go to europe and i can see the world and have experience I'm going to do this because I knew I wasn't going to be I'm not like it wasn't I was never going to it was just like a bartending job for me I knew I wasn't going to be some like great model I didn't have that sort of like it was just but it paid my bills so and I knew I wanted it to end because I wanted to be an actor and I wanted that to be my bread and butter so she let me

go and Sam so I and somebody else dropped out of the class so there were two spots empty and my spot, one of the spots got filled with Sam's best friend, Ivan Martin, who came in which is this weird sort of world. And then I came back and I finished my two-year program with her. Okay, I did go. Sorry, we got sidetracked from I don't know how we got there. Oh my God, who knows? I ramble like

That's okay. So do I. Like a rose. I think we're talking about breaking scripts. Terry. I don't know. That's okay. But we were in Jupiter legacy. And so, yeah, so you mentioned obviously Iron Man. So you have some association. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So did, had you ever been up for like superhero stuff like in the intermittent years? No. No, I think also because you're in that world like Marvel have done it and you're like, well, you're Christian Everhart. This is the person you are. And then I wasn't like,

you know, 28 or, you know, I was like and then I never thought I'd sort of put on a suit when I was in my 40s like as a woman they'll do that with a man but as a woman have you do that you know there's still that thing and so that was interesting I know what I was saying I was saying when you look at the part when you when I looked at like superhero stuff I was like it's been done so well you know and then when it came I was like I was intrigued honestly with putting on putting on that fucking suit I was like I want to fly I want to learn how to fight. I want to learn how to do all of that stuff. I mean, not that I do it that great.

And, like, I'm a slow learner, but I am tenacious and I try really hard. But I loved, I remember sitting there looking at the script and going, how do you play like the strongest person in the world? Like, there's no, where are your cracks? Like, your cracks are what are interesting. Like, those are the hooks you have into the character, like, creating this bedrock for the character. and I remember this moment I was and I said it to Josh I said we were talking about something

and I said it's like we're doctors and he said what and I said it's like we're doctors who are on call 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 and we live together we can't take breaks we can't take like I was like what it was just this moment I was like what What does that do to the relationship? Yeah, yeah, that's real. And so, that you can relate to. Like, oh, I get it now. Yeah.

Yeah. And I thought, and then I was like, oh, this is about human relationship. This isn't about saving the world. Right. I mean, there is one thing about the code and how to live your life and doing the right thing and power and that's one part of it. But then there's this family dynamic about. relationship, I think there's also, do we become our parents, which I found interesting.

My mom passed away in 2018, and it happened suddenly, and I had to go the next week and film a movie because I was producing the movie and in it. And I didn't, I like, we had the funeral and then I went right to work. You know, you can't be sick. You can't have people, you know, you just got to, the show must go on, right? And, and then we. went right into Jupiter's. And I was doing press and somebody was talking about Grace Kennedy, the character I play, Lady Liberty. And I started talking and I was like, I realized it was, she's like my mother. And like that some part of me, because I was looking at my mother's life and my mother was very much like a young Grace Kennedy. She was, she was just sort of self-made.

She worked in politics. She worked in like a very male dominator. world. She worked in political campaigns. She was fearless. She was bold. She was bright. She just was, you know, my father, dad, and I had three older sisters. And she raised us and like never felt like we were without because she hustled. She had a hustle about her. And she was beautiful and funny and vivacious and still no nonsense and was very honest about the world with me. And she was like a cat on a hot tin roof. Like she always landed on her feet. And, um, And then as she got older, I saw that sort of change. And I saw a fearfulness set in with her.

And towards the end of her life, I just didn't recognize who she was. And which was very hard for me with my relationship with her. I mean, she changed political views. She changed so many things. It was like, we were going, we were going over here. And she was like, no, we're going to Albuquerque. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

We're going to Paris. And she's like, no, we're going to over here. So it was so upsetting. But also it got me, I was like, I am not going to be that way. And that can't happen. And, you know, you start, and when someone dies, it makes you think about your own life. And it makes you think about your own mortality and how I wanted to do it different. And, um,

And then, and I was like, I just don't, I'm not going to be that way. I'm not going to be that way. And then I play this character who suddenly the same thing has happened to her. Like life has happened and she sort of has lost her voice and she's towing a company line. And she's so busy keeping all these other balls in the air and keeping, trying to keep her family together and trying to keep her relationship with her husband together and trying to be good at her job. And she doesn't have any fucking friends. She doesn't have time for friends. And all of a sudden, I was like, it just, I realized there was something very similar.

So I, not that I was, I think it was subconscious, sort of on a subconscious, somehow working its way. Well, that's what you do. That's your, that's your craft is some of it's conscious and some of it's going to be subconscious, yeah. Subconscious, but that, that, I don't know, it's, it's interesting how, you know, how we get older and fear. just settled it. I hate it. A lot of what you said just resonate. I mean, my dad passed this past year and it was. I'm so sorry. Thank you. And to you as well. I mean, it's a and my mom's thankfully still around. But yeah, I mean, that's huge existential questions that we faced, aren't they? I mean, they're. But Josh, isn't it fascinating? I'm curious, two,

two things have happened. Suddenly how you, it doesn't matter how old you are. you start to think about your own mortality. Yeah. And life. And then you're like quickly like how it's all shooting by so fast. Yep. And then the second thing that happened and I had this feeling and I remember somebody who had lost both of their parents said this to me.

They said, do you feel like an orphan? And I went, yes. I didn't want to say it because it felt like, almost narcissistic to say and they said no it's it's a weird thing and I said and you know at my age do they say I feel like an or like it just I feel like you're just all of a sudden become a little kid who wants their parents and did you have that did you when your father passed is there like that that orphany sort of fell ringing we're not on our own but we like at a certain point, like, even if you weren't turning to them for that kind of support that we did when

we were eight or 10, knowing that even in the back of our brains, they were there, that's, yeah. And I also feel like overnight, I'm like, looked in the mirror and like, oh, I just suddenly literally turned into my dad. Overnight, overnight. Yeah, I was listening to Sarah Silverman. I follow her on Instagram. And she was talking about she had in her podcast. She did that. this thing on that she put on like a reels or something. I'm so bad with that stuff with Instagram. The worst.

But she was talking about aging and she was talking about her sister, who's a rabbi. And she said, my sister never looks in the mirror. And she's so happy. She never worried about it. And like there's just this inner glow. It's like, I think there's that thing about there's this story. I think it was like in the New York Times ages ago, like on New York Day. And they were saying that on New Year's Day, there's a load of birthdays because when refugees come into the country, they just give them, because they don't have an actual birthday, like a month ending, like they're like, I was born in the year of the flood or I was born in the year of the thing. Like there's no. So their age is kind of unknown. So they, we give them, America gives them a January 1st birthday. I don't know. I forget what happened with the like year or whatever. But I know they all got like. So this.

story was about how there's a lot of birthdays on January 1st with people in America and and it got me thinking like how old would you be if you didn't know how old you were like what what is a like if ages saying like how old would you be like what how old do like what is it because I don't feel the number I am thankfully near do I mean but when you say that you look in the mirror and suddenly you look like your father and like you're right and you all of a sudden like my I feel like my eyes suddenly I've like I wear readers now they're chic cadets readers but I was like when are my like that sort of thing like that that's I think like to tie it to Jupiter's I think it's fun too like that was like something that was

enticing to me to feel like a bad I don't know I think like some part of me I was like I want to be a bad I want to do this and, like, feel strong and feel like that. Well, it's also interesting. I mean, obviously, you're a very intelligent person, so you know, especially for actresses. No, don't. It's definitive. For actresses, like, shamefully for the history of acting, you put these, like, shelf life. Yeah.

And at these shifts. Oh, it happens all the time. I see, like, Sam's, like, love interest is, like, and they're 30. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Amy Ryan would be a great option for you. You know, like, I mean, and, and he's always like, that's, he's, he doesn't see, like, he's never, but it's like, just what the studio did or this or that. It is a weird thing.

It's unfair. I think it's changing. I think there is like, you know, something that, I hope that changes. It, it sucks. Were you aware of that from the start? I mean, especially having, you know. a good question like you know the modeling background and so much of that is traded on youth and being very aware because of who you were and how beautiful you are and were and like so like that that's

part of your identity i i remember my mother saying to me and and this probably has to do with my dad dying when i was very young you know when my dad died i was three kim was seven Bev was nine I think Trisha was 17 and he died suddenly at work like he was young it was a terrible accident and um I don't remember a lot like it must have it must have been very traumatic like my childhood is very like I don't remember like it's fragmented because I just think there was it was just so traumatic and impactful that it did do that but I remember. remember at a at a one of my first things of my mother teaching me was that you never depend on a man you never depend on anybody but yourself because life life can pull the rug out from under you so

you always have a plan B you have a plan C you always have a hustle you always have a side you have you got like just feeling like so I just remember feeling like you just have to be ahead of it like and I don't know if it was about aging it was more about life. is happening and it's going to throw you curve balls and you have to be you have to be ready for it and I think that's sort of like I don't know I feel like in a way maybe she was just very honest about like don't and don't rest on anything because she's been dealt she sounds like she lived quite quite the life and not to mention losing her husband at that age so suddenly like she she had that harsh lesson of like yeah and also like you can't

Like, if you, if you base it on looks, that shit fades. I'll tell you what doesn't fade, like a craft, like something you're good at that nobody else can do. Your brain, that doesn't fade. Yeah. You know, something like that. So I think, I think that's why I really, it's important for me to constantly, like, it's why, like, even when I break down my scripts, I work with Terry. It feels like going back to acting school again. And it's like when you're, because it's like nerve-wracking, but it's also so inspiring and you're, you're just collaborating with somebody.

And it feels like a masterclass every time you break a script with him. Yeah. And it makes me feel like I'm constantly not resting on any laurels or I'm trying to stay, like what I, what this sauce is, nobody else has. Yep. And that's all I have. And I don't know what beauty, like whatever. I don't know what that means. But like if I can be a funny ass bitch and come in and be bold and bright, I don't know.

You know, then that's what I've got. Or to do that. So that's, I think, makes me feel because I can't, I can't change father time. Right. And I can't change. Yeah. And I can't change a studio exec saying, too old. or this or that, I can't change that.

But if I'm fucking good at the job, I have a better shot of them being like undeniable in that way. Right, right. And that's the only swing I guess I can sort of take like that. Because otherwise then you'll just be really angry about everything. And, you know, it is what it is. I guess it happens everywhere. But I do fucking love what we do.

I love. Do you guys talk like, do you guys talk acting? Like, I mean, he lives for. this too all of this stuff is he there oh yeah it's like he's sitting over he just came in he's listening uh josh just asked do we talk acting all we do is talk about actors we talk about it but we talk about acting all the time yeah like all the time i mean we watch movies all the time we talk about performances i was like looking i was i was i had a scene and I have to sort of lose my shit in the scene.

And so I was like looking up, I was like looking at full metal jacket and I was looking at all this stuff. Julia and I just full on like meltdown. By the way, I should have. I didn't. It was more, it was more like a drill sergeant. It was more like, you know, I've got it.

And I looked up five easy pieces, the diner scene. And I remember I just sent it to Sam. He was in London. I was like, here you go. Here's a. It's just such a good. It's seen. I mean, Jack Nicholson, that scene the way it shot. That's a, that movie's like the best. So I don't know. It's like, I feel lucky that I feel lucky to be with a partner who I used to think, oh, you never want to date an actor. Gross. Oh, no. Oh, no. And then I got Rockwell and he's so kind and he's, he's so wonderful with, he's a good human. So he always, I think I've become a better. being with him. I remember Maggie Flanagan said something. I went in and audited one of her

I was like in New York and I was like, hey, can I just come audit a class, like see what your second year students are doing? Just like, yeah, come in. So it's back when she was still teaching. And I remember sitting and there and watching these second year students do their scenes. And I was like having like PTSD of being like school and being like, oh God, I know what you're feeling. And then she would always sit and talk to the class, and she said something that made me laugh really hard, but it's true. She said, he's sort of like telling them to get their shit together and, you know, every acting, you know, come, you need, make bolder choices, do this. But she said, don't hang out with bad actors. They're like the plague. They'll bring you down. Well,

you got the right route then. Yeah. I know. And I was like, oh, it's true. I'm lucky. It's like, you know, it was like Sam's friends, Billy Crita, Phil Hoff, and they're like, they're good, they're good people, you know. But yeah, I also, you know, it's like we're nerds about it. We love it. You know, I'm sure let, like, doctors hang out and talk about doctory things and, you know. I was going to say, this time is flying by, so I want to make sure I get one of our producers questions in here. Jen Caden wanted me to ask you, speaking to Sam, would you? you like to do another role with Sam? You actually haven't really shared much screen time with him over the years at all. We've never really done a movie. I mean, we've done, we had like a baby scene

and that is nothing. Right. I did, I did a part, he did this movie called, is it the Jared Hess movie? Donne. Yes, John Verdeen. Yeah.

And but, and then Jared asked me to do it, but I just did it because it had really, Sam and I had a scene, but I was really, I just wanted to be with Danny McBride because I played Danny's wife and I'm such a fan of his. Oh yeah. He's the best. And we didn't, he's the best and we didn't know him. And were we, weren't we all in Sundance with you? Did we all do it? Yeah. And didn't it go like crazy? Because it was also like Sam and Danny and me and then

and Jermaine. Yes, yes. And Danny is like one of my favorites because he, everything I've done with him over the years off the rails. talented like one of the best improvisers i've ever seen period one and again a really nice person i know yeah and how they they run like their company with david gordon green and jody like again just you know he lives in south carolina like dandy has it they've got the code they figured it out yep melissa melissa and ben will adam mackay and dana mcray i think they've all cracked it to be like, we're going to, I think Seth and his, Seth, Rose, like, those, yeah, they've really, like, figured it out. So, yeah, I did that movie really to, I just wanted to work with Danny, because

I'm, like, a little leech. Like, give me somebody funny, and I'm just going to try to leach. I think you'll make me funnier. So, so we did that, but I don't think we, we really, we have done anything. I have this fantasy of us doing, I would like to do a play with Sam. Oh, my God. I would like to do something. we did a play reading once and I remember it was something and our characters got into a fight

and like we were just like in our house like it was like all a bunch of actors where I was reading doing this playwriting and everyone sort of got quiet and I remember they're like that was interesting like it was like that was interesting but as like it said that in my head

I have like a fantasy of doing a play with him that feels really epic that would be perfect that would be perfect yeah come back to new york yeah i know i know i want to i miss theater well they say that they set they set a date september 100% capacity new york theater you know the last play we saw we saw lorry metcalf do um who's afraid of virginia wolf i bow at that altar like i i bow i drink from the sacred cups i like Lori metcalf to me i think I think I saw Doll's House part two, three times, because she was, I mean, she's epic.

Yeah. And nobody, nobody tears a stage up like that woman. And it was really something to behold. And Rupert Everett was really good. I thought it was a great production. I missed it, but, I said. It was, they were incredible. And I was like Rupert Everett as like, George, all right.

Right. And then it was, honey, right? It was amazing. It was incredible. Sam just said it too. It was She's an animal. Sam just said Lori Metcalf is an, she's a beast. She's an animal. I mean, I just want a tenth of what she has. I just want, like she to me is fierce. Yeah. She's like, God, she's so good. You guys will get on the stage together and I will be there. I also, and like many Marvel fans resentful that I feel like your two characters are like the only ones that haven't been revisited in like 10 years. So I feel like that's way overdue. Justin Hammer and Christine, what is up with that? I know, Sam with his little, like his little spray-tanned hands. Do you notice that about that character? It's my favorite thing. He, he- the hands were spray-hand? No, he, I remember

seeing it and they were like, your hands are spray-tam because he would get, he wanted to spray-tan for the character. And I remember watching him get spray tanned in the back of the house. And I was like, boo, don't touch yourself. You get it on your hands. And nobody, you don't have sun tan on your palms or on the bottom of her feet. And he would do it and then put his hands on his hips or do this. And so his hands are brown, which is like actually seems like the greatest character choice that Justin Hammer is such an egomaniac. And he's like, no, my tan, my hands are the, my hands actually tan. They're, they're, look at it. They're, they're bright. Look at it. They're They're like an orange brown.

Demands further exploration, I think, in a Disney Plus series, the hands of Justin Hammer. Yes. Hey, so you really like, you love, you love superhero. Look at me. Look at the can't see from the glasses? Yeah, I'm a big old nerd. I went to like sci-fi conventions when I was a kid. You, as a kid? Yeah. I went to Star Trek conventions. I was a whole. So here, by the way, I watched this panel, this WonderCon panel you did. Was that for real? You, or a bit, that I missed, that you got, like, all the comic book trivia, like, it was bizarre. So, Mark and I, it was Mark's idea, and I, he got me, it got me, good. Josh Jamel, it totally got Josh.

Ben Daniels, he was so pissed. He was like, that's not true. I memorized the answers. I wasn't cheating on the day. I had to memorize. Well, this is a compliment. You are clearly an excellent actor because I totally bought it, and I was, but that's why I was confusing this conversation.

You're like, comic books are not my thing. I'm like, she had me, she got me. I got it. You know, I, I like, I tell you what I love about comic books. Like what I loved about Jupiter's Legacy, Jupiter's Circle, as I love opening that comic book. And the art, heavy metal, heavy metal to me, like that, the artwork is, is so incredible. Frank, I thought Frank quietly did such an, I love his, the artwork in, in all the Jupyter's series.

I mean, my fondest memories as a kid were going to the movies and hanging out the comic bookstore. So this combines all my loves. I love it. It makes me happy that you liked it. I appreciated in that show, I appreciate, there was like a lot of things that got cracked for me. I got to fly.

I got to live out some, I didn't realize that I wanted to put on a suit and pretend to be that strong. There was something really confidence-building about playing a character like that, but I also really enjoyed playing them in the 20s. I loved all of those clothes. I'd never done a period movie or show or anything like that.

So I really enjoyed that. And our costume designer is this woman, Liz Wolfe, and she did such an incredible job with the building the super suits and then all of our costumes in in the 20s. I thought everyone looked amazing. I hope people stay with, stay with it. I mean, I would have just checked. I really would have checked out.

And I thought, I think the ensemble is really excellent. I think the kids are good. I think like, you know, some of the episodes dive deep into certain characters. So kind of like, it doesn't follow kind of a very conventional. And I mean that in a good way, narrative path. Yeah. Takes these sides of street, you know. But that's the fear, though, because people, you know,

appetite for quick and write what's in you know people so that's like my fear but I really like I really was impressed with episodes like five six seven and eight um Charlotte Brandstrom I think was our director on five and six and then seven and eight is this uh director Mark Yopst J-O-O-B-S-T yelpsed and yeah it's very fun to say and he I remember what was written on the page and what I saw in seven and eight I was I just I just emailed him last night because I was like it's incredible what you did

because that world wasn't on the page and here's a weird fun fact about the show so we were supposed to go to an island you know and you hear islands do you think like sunny hot we're in Morocco it should be an island like

so it was sort of written like that and then timing and everything that happened we couldn't we couldn't go and we couldn't get there and it was like a whole shit show so we had to shoot it in Toronto and it was October going into November and I remember thinking okay well we're going to shoot it and it's going to be what it's going to be and it was almost this moment where like art was imitating life because we we shot the seam we were going through the woods we find this tree and it's probably like 55 degrees 60 degrees like a crisp fall day but beautiful and that afternoon

we were shooting in another part of the forest, and it fucking started to snow. And not like a dusting, but like a snow. And we stopped production, and everyone started freaking out, like, what are we doing? And then the forecast was like, oh, no, it's going to, it's going to snow. And is that fun to have that in the background? Where's Waldo? Where's Rockwell? Where's Rockwell? Yeah. So funny. He's the best. and it started to snow and to Mark's he just rode with it and he was like this is great we're going to use it

so that snow was all real I mean it snowed so much and then it melted and then we were on another location that was like I said it so it sort of I found it really worked so well and I also found it cool to watch your director

because I know it must have been very stressful for him I can imagine, yeah. And he willed with it. And figure out how to make it work, yeah. It was so cool to me. And, you know, and he never sort of like, he comes from theater. So he gives you, I mean, he, listen, he gives you a lot of rope to hang yourself with as an actor.

But if you've got, if you've come prepared, you're going to soar. Like he's, you're going to fucking hook it onto a tree and climb it. Like, he's like, he, he just. doesn't he's not just like go here go here go here he really and i it was fun to work with a director who felt to give you that because usually in television sometimes they can be a little narrow yeah and he he just was the opposite of that and i was really really impressed with that because i just know that must be so stressful as a director you know and it happens on phones too all the time i don't know if you can hear all the sirens and motorcycles behind me new york

is beckoning you guys back i hope i hope when next we speak or see each other we're back home but i also drink let's have a drink in new york with does sammy have your phone number he does we've got we've got our i've got his email yeah um but i appreciate that and i would love nothing more than to see you both because you are both the best we have any we really honestly just scratch a service meeting into like back in the old days popular etc but that's i I guess for the next part. My beloved popular. You know, I'm still, I'm still, like, best days with Carly Pope.

I saw that she popped up in the movie you produced. That's amazing. I know. I called her. I said, will you do me a favor? Will you just come? You are way overqualified to do this, but I think it's kind of a, I want to, I know that they're going to want, my producers, I'm going to convince them that we need to pay.

I want a real. So Georgia King came, who was, again, overqualified, but Carly and Georgia, came out but i just thought oh wouldn't it be funny car if like you're you're just so mean to me it's like the opposite broken sam and um she's she's the best she's the best i love her i i really cradle the fact that she's still in my life and like still in my life in like a very deep yeah deep meaningful i mean we went through so many first that was a special experience for everyone involved clearly like that hit at the right time for for a lot of you folks from behind the camera and in front so it remains a cult class i mean people love it people still watch and talk

about it it's beloved it's so weird they always entertainment weekly or some some magazine like that always wants to do i get a call to every couple years like we want to do uh like a cover photo with like the way they did with dawson's creek right and i'm like yeah i'm down and then it always falls apart. And I'm like, who in the cast doesn't want to do it? There's somebody in that for the record. It is not Leslie Bibb. Leslie Bibb and Carly Pope are going to do it. You're in. I mean, you know, it's, I'm sure like, I think, you know, we were all sort of like didn't take it. You take it for granted. You're like, yeah, I was 24. Carly was 18. And you just sort of were like, oh, this happens. You get on a hit television show. Oh, you get this. And then.

you're sort of like, you don't appreciate it. I don't think I appreciated what it was. And, yeah, I really, I'm, I love it. I'm very fond of it. I don't know. I don't know if, like, I think, like, it was like, oh, it's a WB, you know, or it's a WB, like, some, I'm sure I was like, like, oh. As you say, age probably has a huge part of it and where you were at in your career.

Like, I mean. And everybody was like, because then you would do, you would do television or movies. It was like the opposite. And they're like, everybody wanted to do movies. It wasn't like it is now. It wasn't like... I got to go do the skulls. I'm getting out of popular...

Do that revelatory the skulls. I'm going to go to C-Spot, Run. Hey, there's some love for the skulls out there, too. There is, oddly, some weird love. I mean, I don't know. Maybe critics don't like my movies, but I feel like people... I don't even, but I don't even read. I don't read...

You're good. You got plenty to be proud of on that resume, more than your share. but people are nice about it's nice it's nice like i i feel i feel lucky that i've worked consistently my whole life it just like and i feel grateful and lucky that i was my mom sent in those photos to the opal winfrey show because i would have never gone to new york city i had no idea that was where it started either by the way talk about crazy stories yeah ok winfrey and i would have never gone to New York. I was, I was going to go to UVA. I would have, I mean, I don't even, I don't know how I would have got, I don't know how I would have gotten to New York. And so, um, I am so grateful for all of those pieces because, honestly, I, I, I could, I don't know, I don't know what else I would do. I, I don't, I think I would be living a life that I wasn't, I would feel this deep, um, right, loss. longing, yeah, or something.

And I wouldn't even know what it was, you know, and I feel I'm, I just, I'm just glad like every, you know, Dean Winters was like my boyfriend and he was going to Esper. And I was like, he's like, oh, there, you should go to this school. It's a really good school. And, you know, he broke my heart, but like, thank God, he got me to Esper. I'll take that broken heart, you know, like, but like finding that at like 19. and I just, you know, New York in the 90s is pretty special. It was a fun time to be there. So, yeah, I look back.

It's, it's been, it's been pretty fucking rad. It's pretty good. That's the way to put the bow on it. Well, a lot of talent. And honestly, congrats on Jupiter's legacy. I'm psyched for this new one in Australia. It sounds like that's going to be awesome. That's a Netflix project too, right?

That'll be probably a great. I guess next year or something. Yeah, we're doing two seasons. So I think that, yeah, so they're just doing them back to back. So next year we'll be season one and then, you know, I don't know when they'll do the other one. But I'm going to tell you something, Ben and Melissa are, they're so ridiculous. They're so funny. And the stuff that comes out, Ben wrote all of them.

He's not directing any of them. He's, he and Melissa together. and they've been touched by God to save mankind and save the world. At first I thought you were talking about real life. That also could be true. Also, that is kind of true. I do feel like, I do think there is an importance to laughter in the world, you know, and I think that they help us with that.

But just the two of them together, I mean, they're so funny. I mean, I do love, I love their love of each other. Yeah. They really are. they're so tender and and so support like as corny as that sounds we're so supportive of one another and I love watching that I love watching that within a couple you know it's you don't see it that often I have an amazing I have an amazing photo of the three of us when they came into do my podcast actually and I you probably seen I've probably done it with you this happy say I

confused photos that I do sometimes with like three different expressions but what we did together was we did like an awkward like prom photo where it's the three of us basically on top of each other. I'll send it to you too if you want to see it. Yes. They're the best. It's the long sort of it. They're game and fun and sweet and nice. And if there's any lesson from this conversation is let the, we'll just be nice to each other. Yeah, it doesn't have to be. I don't think the road. I think there was like something that I think it we used to think if it, if we're doing real art, has to be hard or it has to be yeah yeah yeah it's got to be hard and it's got to be like girl and listen i am got like i am prepared within an inch of my life like i don't come in

i i don't have time for people who show up and don't are not memorized i don't have like if you come in without an idea you you and are not memorized you better be coming in with like some magic sauce like you better be like Merrill Street like there's better be like yeah then I'll follow you but like like just come like don't waste everybody's time like yeah the crew is not with their family they're with us like let's and then like you could come prepared but then it doesn't have to and then you're because I find that when people freak out on sets it's usually because they're not prepared right and so they flash out you know you're doing this or you're doing that and then like they lose their

fucking minds and it's like wait isn't it you didn't know what your lines you don't know what's happening you didn't get in a or they're fucking exhausted or whatever but it's like oh well everybody's exhausted and then sent me a photo um like because we were in a little hiatus right now and he sent me for my it was like my last shot and I do something pretty awesome It's like, and it's like me sitting there with the director and we're sort of like trying to map out this and it's a lot of moving. There's special effects. There's VFX. There's stunts. We've got 30 minutes to catch this light because it has to be sunrise. And then and you see in the photo he sent it. And I just said to him, I said, I love looking at all the people. You can see. see my dp in the background he's just sitting there and looking like and i i said and that's before he threw up the scrim that went up with you know and you see all the vfx guys just like you know there's so many moving pieces that go into yeah making something i mean you go sit i mean i don't think

people realize that when you sit at home and you watch your show or you sit and you go this could be better you know like nobody goes to the opera and goes well i could have done that better like no you never say that but like people i remember maggie said everyone's going to judge this more because because if you do it well you make it look easy right you know and like when you look at like okay i'll go to fury uh to thunder road you see yeah yeah jury road theory road you see fury road and you you see those cars and you see all i see is like how the fuck did they do that how did they do that or you see like Josh Brolin in no country with the, you know, swimming from the guy, swimming from the pit bull at that perfect light at dust, which is 30 minutes, which is 30 minutes

that you have to get it and your, God knows where you are in some canyon in New Mexico and whatever. But I look at it and I just, I love all of that stuff. I love how many, I think it goes back to, again, the collaboration of it. everybody's work. And that was cool. I think on Jupiter's what that was cool because I never worked on something where it was so much stuff.

I was saying that earlier to somebody that Sam was in Toronto for this movie he did and for Richard Jewel and John Ham was there for some other movie he did and I did tag with John.

And we got on really well and Sam got on well. And I think John was in in the Richard Jewel movie, too. So they were at a brewery having beers. And I was at work in Toronto. And I said, come. He's like, I was like, come visit me on set. I said, we're doing this like big hilltop fight scene. So they came to set. And I sort of forget that John's like, people love Mad Men. I didn't watch Mad Men, but people love that show. And it was, I'm like, people are like freaking out. So John comes on to, he comes on, and he's such a down to Earth Guide. So he comes onto this set. And it's so much green screen. We're in a whole sound stage is green screen. And it was just so blaring to me. And we've been on the fucking set for

like six days. And I was like, I don't want to see this stupid grassy knoll. I don't want to see any more of this bright lime green. It's making me crazy. We've been hoisted in the air. We're doing all this stuff. And there's so many stump people. And there's so much lighting. And there's so much shit. And John walked in and he just looked around and he's like, wow. there's been a lot of money on this and I go and it's just a room with green and he and I go like it's no expensive the screen screen shit and I was like and I was like no I did but it was just that moment like it was just like like an actor who's been around a long time and yeah he was like you do realize how much is going into this how many people yeah make make everybody look good and

you look good and yeah and how cool it is like he was like this is cool man this is cool and then when you see it and to realize that everything on that hilltop like i think the editors did a really good job and the special effects people did a good job on jupiter's and and those guys should be get like a nice shout out on that on that show like that's a that was a hard show to to to to the wrangle yeah but but from what you're saying i think i can't imagine um yeah honestly again congrats on it this was long overdue and you're invited on any time, of course. As I said, there's a lot more to talk about always and yeah. Cut to you being like, no, Leslie, I changed my number. I'm like, hey, Josh, do you want to talk about you? How dare you? No, no. I hope you have a great rest of the shoot with

Melissa and Ben and safe travels back here. And yeah, let's get that drink anytime. Let's get a drink in our mouths. I mean, come on. We deserve it after the last year, a couple drinks. Here's what I think. I'm going to tell you, and before I go, one funny rule with, you know, Australia. Yeah. I have, when they go into sort of lockdowny sort of things like wearing masks again and they have a rule that they won't shut the bars. They'll still let you come into the bars, but you cannot stand and have a drink. I know. What does that mean? What is that rule, Australia? You cannot stand where Sydney is in this thing. I was reading about it because they had a couple of cases.

So they're locking down stuff. Everyone's back to wearing masks. And I was like, oh, bars are you clearly can't. You can only go to a bar if it's outside. And I'm like, nope, people can still go to bars. You can still be inside drinking in a bar, but you cannot stand and have a drink. Maybe they're worried about all the dangerous animals. If you're inebriated, you're not, your wits are not about you.

You might be murdered by the 3,000 different. poisonous snakes in Australia. No, it's about COVID. It was about like, when their COVID restrictions come in, I'm like, standing. Maybe they just worry you're going to start hanging on people. You get too loose. I'm going to hang all over you, Joshua, when I see you.

All right. I'll hold you to, hold you too bad. Okay. It's good to see you. Thank you. Nice to see you. Thanks for having me. Of course, of course.

And give my best to Melissa and Ben. Honestly, I'm president of their fan club as well. and um yeah i'll be the secretary yeah let's do it okay and yeah pack up pack up sammy in a suitcase nice and safe when you bring him back we need him intact okay yeah he's a national treasure isn't you yes all right have a good one today thanks love be well and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts i'm a big podcast person i'm daisy riddley and i definitely wasn't pressure to do this by josh This message comes from BetterHelp.

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