Happy Sad Confused - Logan Lerman, Vol. III

Episode Date: April 8, 2020

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Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now. Today on Happy, Sad, Confused, Logan Werman on his comfort movie, Hook. Hey, guys, I'm Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Yes, the new version of Happy, Said Confused in the Strange New World, where we are celebrating comfort movies. Yeah, Evan Rachel Wood waxed Rhapsodic last week with us about Clue,

a comfort movie I know for many of you. And this week we've got Logan Werman, an old buddy of mine, a guest of Happy Say, Confused, and a returning guest now, talking about a film that's near and dear to his heart, near and near to, I think, many people's hearts. I certainly have a lot of affection for Steven Spielberg's sequel of sorts to the Peter Pan legend hook, a classic early 90s Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman film that maybe has some critics, maybe critics at the time thought it was a little overwrought, overblown, and yes, I agree to a certain extent, but there are so many charms to hook that I'm glad that Logan chose this as the movie that he wanted to dive deep into. So, yeah, this has been a new, fun exploration for Happy Second Views.

As you guys know, if you've listened to the podcast over the years, I've always loved to kind of dig deep into the nerdy films that we all grew up with, the films that we connect on. But particularly in these times when I think we're all looking for distractions, ways to just sort of like make us feel at ease in a really scary time. I know I'm appreciative if I can find something that makes me forget about the world out large for 10, 20, 30, or even two hours at a time. And certainly a film like, like Hook, hopefully is that for many people.

So I hope you guys enjoy this conversation with Logan. Needless to say, this is a conversation that was done virtually over the phone, as we're going to be doing this for the foreseeable future. I think it actually sounds pretty good. By happy sake, infused shitty audio standards, I think these are sounding actually pretty good. I'm pretty pleased so far. So I hope you guys are enjoying these kind of new conversations. I asked you guys to send me some of your comfort movies.

Again, remember to always just use the hashtag My Comfort Movie. Let me read a few out. Give some shouts out to some of the folks that follow me on Twitter, Joshua Horowitz, and hopefully listen to Happy Say I Confused. Amy, Amy Valhalla says Inside Lewin Davis. Love that one. That's kind of a dark movie. But, I mean, you know, all the Cohn Brothers movies,

are comfort movies for me. Brain Pucket, I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly, I'm sure I'm not, says Harry Potter All Day Marathon. It's like chicken soup in movie form. I think you're echoing what a lot of people have to say about that.

My old buddy Austin Lion, former collaborator on Junketeers, on Comedy Central, says along came Polly, very funny movie. What else we got here? Lorraine, Lorraine, Oh, God, another name I'm going to butcher. Lorraine Huertsbees, I don't know.

But you name check via a photo from trading places. I'm with you there. And finally, let's go. Actually, let's do two more. Taylor Mardson says, honestly, the godfather. Always. Always. I get sucked into all the godfather films, always. And Peachy Pattinson says the parent trap. So there you go. Some good comfort movies from you guys.

Thank you for contributing. As always, please hit me up on Twitter, social media, on Instagram, use the hashtag My Comfort Movie, hashtag Happy Say Confused, and let me know what you guys love out there. Beyond Happy Say I Confused, I do want to mention one other exciting project that I've started doing for Comedy Central. You guys, if you listen to me, you know I do a lot for Comedy Central and MTV. We started a new series for Comedy Central called Stir Crazy that I'm extremely proud of. This came together obviously pretty quickly in the wake of.

of the coronavirus and sort of figuring out how we can still entertain folks and still talk to folks. We came up with this virtual talk show where I'm talking to, so far mostly people I know pretty well in the comfort of their home, in the comfort of my home, and we're connecting about what they're up to. We're playing some silly games like charades and I spy, and it's been a blast to do. It's just, it's really fun to sort of reconnect with people and still have some fun and still talk about things in a funny way and hopefully you guys are finding

an escape in it as well. So we debuted our first episode last week with Will Arnett, the amazing Will Arnett. By the time you listen to this, the new episode with Dan Levy should be up, of course, of Schitts Creek fame. Love Schitt's Creek. That's been my most recent binge, actually.

Yes, I was super late to the party, guys, but I finally watched all of Schitt's Creek. The episode with Dan Levy is fantastic. We've got episodes we've already shot with folks like Josh Hutcherson and Ed Helms. We've got Ricky Jervais, Aubrey Plaza, Alexandra Didario. There are a ton of people coming up.

So we're going to be publishing these every Tuesday and Thursday on Comedy Central's YouTube and Facebook pages. I'll, of course, be tweeting these out and putting them up on my Instagram as well. But if you like what I do, I think you're going to appreciate what we're doing with Stir Crazy. Again, I hope that it's a good distraction for you guys. It's certainly a good distraction for me. so let's get to the main event this is my catch-up with the great logan lerman logan you know of course from many films perks of being a wallflower the percy jackson films he has always been someone that i've connected with on a on a real kind of film geek level we always love talking movie when we get together movies when we get together i hit him up asked him what he wanted to talk about he said without a beat hook here's my conversation with logan lorman on the one and only hook Well, this is a different kind of happy set confused.

We're not in the same room, sadly, but I'm very happy to be joined by my old buddy, Mr. Logan Lerman. Logan, how are you, bud? I'm hanging in there right now. How are you doing, man? We're all hanging in there, right? We're leaning on each other, and we're all in this surreal new world, and we're looking for comfort wherever it is.

Thank you for having me, though, and I'm excited to talk about a movie that I love, and I know that you love, that at least puts me in a pretty good place when I watch it. Just, you know, comfort food. So first of all, let's get our definitions right. When I say something like a comfort movie, like what does that mean to you? What does a good comfort movie need to satisfy for Logan? I think it needs to be nostalgic. You know, something that, you know, takes you back to your childhood in a way. Something that you've watched over the years that's a go-to that you can never get sick of um that just takes you to being you know in bed as a kid uh you know enjoying like a sick day or uh or a weekend or something like that so your choices is is of

course seven no no i'm kidding um no seven was one of those movies for me funny enough it's funny you say yeah because i've been saying that to other people when i've been talking about this kind of new angle on the podcast seven is weirdly kind of like I it you know there are different kinds of comfort right there's the comfort of just like a movie that hit you at the right time yeah and it's satisfying yes it pleases I mean some people I mean everyone reacts differently to thrill it you know thrillers and and and you know horrific scenes and movies and things like that but I tend to get really excited and giddy and love every scare so that's like a comfort film for me that's not what we're that's not the fuck up thing we're talking about today. We're talking about much sweeter, sweeter movie. Let me give you the honors. Logan, what's your comfort movie and give us a little synopsis? What's it about? Well, first of all, there's so many great comfort films, one that always comes to mind, or films that always come to mind for me are always Robin Williams films and

Steven Spielberg movies. And one in particular is Hook. And Hook is a criminally underrated film. It kills me because I was looking it up right now. And I was checking out, like, you know, the details in the film, like the past couple of days before talking about it on this podcast. And, you know, it has like a 26% in Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah. I mean, just a lot of reviewers hated this movie. And I remember hearing from friends over the years, and I'm not going to dive into specifics, but I've heard that the movie's plagued with it. issues, that there were so many problems making it, and that it was just, I think, really hard for everyone involved.

And I just love this movie so much. I just think it's a miracle that they made such a touching, heartfelt, great, you know, classic, you know, film that I think stands, you know, can or will continue to stand the test of time. I think it works really well. You bring up a funny issue, though, that, like, I'm sure you've experienced where it doesn't really matter what the experience was of making the movie all the behind the scene stuff like I'm sure you've made movies that were tough

and for whatever reason and that people it works for people and in a way your experience on it is the least important part of it the most important part is what came out and what it means to an audience and I'm glad that Hook has that meaning for you I mean it was funny rewatching it you know the other day I always have this memory of the film based off of the, you know, like, I don't know, the eight-year-old version of me watching this, the 10-year-old version of me watching it.

And I'm watching it again as an adult, and I haven't seen it in a while. And I'm just seeing all of the adult humor in it and loving the truth in it as well, you know, like in terms of, you know, the plight of Peter Pan now or Robin Williams' character. You were relating to Charlie Korsman when you were a kid, and now you're relating more to Peter. Yeah, I'm relating more to Peter, but I'm also just seeing that the reason why it's such a good movie and works so well is that it's so truthful, and that the characters and what they want and in terms of their conflicts, that they're all grounded in real human, you know, issues that we can all relate to. And I was surprised that I was getting emotional watching the movie, like really emotional watching the movie, like pretty much crying in certain parts where I was like, wow, this is like a really beautifully executed film and the critics were fucking wrong. The critics often are.

So I'm sure everybody listening to this knows what the movie is, but basically it has an amazing, I was going to say, hook and I can't bring myself to say that, but I just did. Essentially, it's what if Peter Pan grew up, which apparently was the screenwriter's name is James Hart, his son kind of posed that question, and off to the races, this kind of, this movie came. And it's amazing to think about it. So it came out in December of 91, and it had this amazing cast that, particularly at that time, where they were all at the top of their game, like, Dustin Hoffman, of course, is Captain Hook. You have Robin Williams right in the sweet spot of all the classics that he was making. Bob Hoskins was coming off of, like, who framed Roger Rabbit, Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell. Julia Roberts, like, I don't know, like, I looked back at this.

I was kind of, like, seeing, like, what she had just done. Like, this was Julia Roberts, like, right after Pretty Woman and, like, sleeping with the enemy. This was like, this is like, as if you cast, like, Jennifer Lawrence as Tinkerbell today. Mm-hmm. Um, kind of bizarre to think about. Um, so, okay, so I'm curious, though, like, tell me your history with the film, because, like, I'm doing the math.

This movie came out before you were born, technically. Logan. Yeah, I mean, look, I would watch this movie on VHS growing up, and I wore that one out. Did anybody in particular, like, expose you to it, or was it just sort of like always there? It was just always there. And I mean, I remember having the video game, too. Like, I just loved this movie so much. There was a hook video game, I think, like on Sega or something like that. And I was just obsessed with this world and thought it was so much fun. And so magical. And even as an adult, it makes you, it takes you back to that place when you're a kid. And you just, just fills me with joy. Like I love, there's this one scene in particular where they have like a big food fight with like imaginary food.

Right. Which is just so, you know, brilliantly done. But every time I watch it, it takes me back to being like nine years old in bed, you know, watching, you know, the most, you know, another magical, you know, Stephen Spielberg film. Were you a Spielberg kid? Did you like all of all of his stuff growing up? I love all of his movies. I loved all of his films.

I mean, they just connect with you in ways that others don't. They're so charming and full of warmth and just hit your heart, you know, in a way that other movies don't. And it's just a beautifully executed film. Like everything about the film is just gorgeous. But I just, you know, I've talked with so many people about this movie in the past

and the issues that people have had with it. And I've always thought it was shocking that people, I guess, or critics or audiences generally did not respond to Dustin Hoffman's performance. Oh, I think it's great. I mean, I do have issues, and I'm going to bring up some of my issues with the film, but that's not one of them. I think he's kind of, he's chewing the scenery, absolutely, but it works for that role.

I don't know if you read this, but he... I just think he's brilliant. He apparently based, like, his voice on, like, the famous conservative commentator William F. Buckley. I love all this... I love all the stuff between him and Hoskins as me. I think maybe, like, weirdly, like, I think maybe my favorite, like, comedic scene in the film is, like, his kind of mock suicide scene. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I thought that was great.

And something that I never, like, it never registered with me as a kid. So when I watch it now, or if I've seen it after it's probably been like a few years or whatever it's been and I forgot about that scene but it's just so adult and serious and but uh it resonates would be differently now than it did when I was a kid but that seems hilarious it's so funny it also has um I mean I will say you know I mentioned Charlie Corsmo before and I don't know if I'm curious about your perspective because you know obviously growing up in the business and being a child actor um if you kind of like look for certain things in child performances

but I think Charlie Korsmov is awesome in this film. Oh, he's brilliant. I mean, Spielberg just has a way of capturing young actors just so well and just bringing out these, like, natural, these really natural performances and, like, really charming children. But he was so good. He was so good in this. But just, again, like, it just hits my heart.

Like, it really feels honest, and I think that the performances are a big part of that. And the kids just did a great job. They're just so good in this movie. I do think, I think you're hitting upon, like, maybe, like, a lot of times, very earnest films don't work for critics, right? And this is a very hard on its sleeve, earnest movie. I mean, it's like a classic, I don't know about you, I love the John Williams score. It's just, like, a soaring classic John Williams score. I like most of John William's score in the movie.

Most of it is great. There's just that, first of all, I think that the first act of this movie is perfect. It is such a great setup for the story. It is so expertly done and mature, but also still like a kid's film. It's just great. But the jazz music score at the beginning, like the first act of the movie, does not match. for you. I mean, I just think it didn't match the tone of the film. Like, I love it. I appreciate it for what it is. I've accepted it as, like, this is hook. Like, this is what defines hook and makes it unique and separates it from other movies. But that jazz music that's playing over, like, the baseball sequence at the beginning and... Oh, I know exactly. Yes, yes, yes. We're Robin Williams is, like, missing the baseball game. And it's like this...

It does not fit the emotional... It's like from parenthood. or something, yeah, it's totally an 80s kind of a, yeah. It doesn't match up with like the emotions that you're supposed to be feeling as an audience in that moment. I thought it just didn't complement the, compliment

the image of what was going on and what was happening on screen. Other than that, the score's brilliant. I love his scores. Did you, I don't know if when you were like looking back on this, I mean, I did a bit of research. Apparently, so it had like a whole storyed history. One of the incarnations

was it began as a musical that John Williams was writing, had like 10 songs for the state. I had no idea. Yeah. Wow. And I guess there's still like the song in the film when the daughter sings. That was actually nominated for an Oscar, kind of weirdly enough. Yeah. And I mean, it also, I mean, I don't even like the version of this film that starred

Michael Jackson, I don't necessarily think would have held up as well, but there was a version of this film. Apparently, Michael Jackson wanted to play Peter Pan. Yeah, I know What do you think about all the cameos in the movie? Do the cameos take you? Do you know what I'm talking? Like Phil Collins?

Oh, yeah, like Glenn Close? Yeah. Is that like work for you? I love it. I love it. I love noticing Glenn Close in that that role is like the prisoner who gets, I'm sorry, not the pirate who gets tortured. It's just the boo box.

Yeah, yeah, the boo box. It's so good. Good. I love seeing, like, just knowing that it's her. It's, like, such a great thing. I feel like I saw, I saw some other cameos in there that I didn't fully, like, recognized because they were, like, split-second moments. But was, like, Stephen Stills in there, maybe, or something like that? I swear I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I thought I didn't know about it. David Crosby is definitely in there. That's who it was. That's who it was re-watching it. I was like, I was re-watching it. I was like, is that David Crosby? And I thought it was him. I needed someone to validate that. Here's one that I didn't know about

until I was rereading. I think they discovered this only in recent years. So do you remember like when Tinkerbell's taking him to Neverland in like the end of the first act essentially and they're flying and she like sprinkles some pixie dust and there's a couple that floats into the air and they're like kissing? Oh yeah. I love that. Do you know who the couple

is? I did not know this. This is going to blow your mind. George Lucas and Carrie Fisher. Oh really? Yeah. No way. That's so cool. I love that. That's a great That's a great bit of, you know, trivia right there. It's crazy. Also, okay, a couple other things that jump out at me.

So Maggie Smith, I think, is great in this as Wendy. The thing that that strikes me is, I don't know about you, I feel like she's been that age for 30 years. I think because she was 56 when she played that role. I didn't realize at the time she was playing much. Yeah, she was playing much older. Wait, no, she was 56 playing that role? yeah i mean if she was 80 then she would be 110 now so like she

it's incredible i know i had no idea i did not do the math here yeah how is it how did that happen that's so crazy she does she did a brilliant job though she did i really believed her and there's that one beautiful moment where it gets really intimate between um you know uh between her and rob williams and it's just like it's kind of hot Okay, so I was going to bring this up under my controversial questions section. Yeah. So here's my question. In that moment, there are a couple moments in the film.

Did Wendy and Peter have a intimate relationship? Seemed like it. Right? Sure, it doesn't seem like it. Yeah. Yeah, I think they did. They did have a thing. They had a thing.

She kind of explained it, right? Like, they had like a thing. We don't know how far it went. But she left. He didn't come. she got older he came back he was still a kid and fell in love with her daughter

right yikes that's that's dramatic I guess granddaughter yeah or granddaughter that's right right right right and of course and of course in the last time she's still trying to get that she's still trying to get that she knows she's her granddaughters

and she's sitting in there on that bed with Robin Williams leaning in close still trying to do it I know it's an awkward yet very sweet scene they're not really related you know it's not really his grandma so it's like and ages are all kind of fucked up here

we already know she's only 56 we know he's kind of ageless it's all good yeah yeah of course Gwyneth played uh Wendy in the flashback Kenneth Paltrow I think it's just her second film um that's oh you didn't know that no yeah yeah I didn't know I should have done my research

no no it's okay I know I thought yeah well maybe it's better than I didn't because this is all new No, yeah, yeah, Gwyneth Paltrow is very, next time you see it, you'll be like, how did I miss that? Yeah, I mean, it wasn't a cameo at the time. She obviously didn't have a career yet, but it's kind of crazy to look back at it now. Really interesting.

I'm amazed by the visual effects in the film, though. I think they're just brilliant. So, yeah, let's talk about that. Okay, so I think here's my, okay, my take, as we get into kind of like the ups and downs for me. I agree with you. I think the first act of the film is awesome. is like pitch perfect, maybe outside of that music you were talking about. But Neverland.

So once they get to Neverland, I think we started to hit some bumps in the road. And I don't know. So tell me generally speaking, you like the visual like interpretation of Neverland, this gaudy kind of giant set that he created. It works for you. Yeah, I just think it's fun. It's fun. I think that there's almost like an agreement. with the audience, you know,

the beginning of the film, that you just have to let certain things go and suspend. I just like, like, move like, like, your, you know, your, you know, critiques and your critical, you know, thinking out of the way, just, like, enjoy it for what it is emotionally. Otherwise, I mean, you know,

it'd be hard to buy this story at this world. But, yeah, the sets alone, yeah, they're pretty, I mean, I don't think the, I don't think the goal was, was to feel, was for it to feel natural. No, it's not grounded or whatever. It's, yeah. No, no, no, but I love that about it. You know, I think it's so charming.

It's funny. Spielberg, so Spielberg says that he's, he's not a fan of this movie. He said, he's said in interviews repeatedly that he himself is very critical about it. And the part that he talks about is, and I kind of disagree with him here, he says that if he were doing it today, he would do Neverland. with CGI sets. He would create it virtually, like, on a green screen. I don't know. I don't know.

That's interesting. He'd do it. Interesting. Virtually green. I don't think that. I don't like that either, to be honest. I don't like the idea of that. I like the idea of, I mean, look, this version of it, this, yeah, you know, this one that

feels like a big set, because it is. It feels like it's on a soundstage. It doesn't feel like a, like, like, like, like, this one. The atmospheres don't feel real. It works for the movie. I guess if there was a way of doing it in a more natural feeling way, you'd want to be on, you know, you want to be on location somewhere. Right, right, right, right.

I guess they just did that, didn't they just do? I didn't see the movie. I mean, didn't do this story, but they did a version, like a really grounded, realistic version of, like, Peter Pan that just came out recently. Oh, you're talking about the recent ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting to keep trying, and they've all had ups and downs and things I like in them, but it's been for whatever reason, despite it being such like a timeless story, it's been one that's been tough to crack for some really exceptional filmmakers, you know, Joe Wright. It's a tough one. Yeah, it's a tough one to make. I mean, it's a tough one to to buy into as an audience. I mean, you really do need, I mean, it's this heightened world. You need to just like, you know, check your. um you know cynicism at the door right yeah totally like enjoy it for what it is so i mean i just

really connect with with the uh with the with the family's relationship and i think that those are really the highlight moments um you know throughout the film is when they get back to uh you know the father daughter father son um uh plight at the center of the film and it feels um truthful it feels honest it feels like they found the writers. I don't even know who wrote it exactly, but I feel like the team found a way to bring their

truth to this story. And it just resonates. There's this one scene in the first act when Robin Williams is on a business phone call and his kids are annoying him and there's this beautifully executed shot with the

where his son brings a lamp into the frame and starts making shadow puppets on the wall of like himself as like this big monster growing bigger and bigger as like a shadow and and and and robin williams is uh you know character he he you know has like a breakdown starts yelling at his kids yeah yeah that just really resonated with me i just remember being like stunned watching it and um it was very emotional moment and just hit like a real chord between, you know, kids and their parents. And, you know, those things just are timeless and will resonate with audiences forever, you know. So I just think it's a great movie.

It's just, it feels like they're touching with, you know, touching some kind of, like, truth. And that myself as a kid who, like, loved that, myself as a kid who, like, loved this movie was not, you know, you know, invalid for, like, loving it. You know, because there's a lot of other films that I've loved when I was a kid that I watch now and think, uh, I, I, what was, what was I thinking? I mean, you know, like, I, I guess, you know, I was a kid, I wasn't thinking. This movie's just terrible.

Um, but Hook holds up. Hook is great. It's funny to think because, like, Spielberg definitely, like, has his themes that keep coming back throughout his work. And I, you even look at, like, the movie, like, he made Last Crusade to, like, I think two years before this, which in some ways, is very much another father-son story. So he puts a different, you know, wrapping paper around it,

but the core themes often recur. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you know, he really highlights the, like, emotional want for his characters. Yeah. And make that, like, what the film is about. He really highlights it and tries to put it in the center stage, you know, which is great.

Have you ever seen the teaser trailer for Hook? No. No, I haven't. Okay, so after this, I recommend you to checking it out. I don't know if you're a fan of trailers like I am, but... I am a big fan. I never thought about checking up the teaser trailer. I'll check it out.

Well, I mean, I'm a bit older than you, so I remember literally when this trailer hit in theaters, and when I went back the other day, it really hit me all over again. It's this group without, whatever, I mean, it's not ruining anything, but it's back when, like, a teaser trailer was truly a teaser trailer. There's literally nothing from the film in there. It's just kind of panning over a map of Neverland and the soaring. The good John Williams theme is in there, and it just, it's just, fantastic.

Oh, man. They didn't actually, I was reading up, they didn't use Neverland at all in the marketing for the film. Like, in all of the trailers, you only see stuff like in London, which I think is awesome. Yeah. Interesting. That's really interesting. Would never happen today.

No, no, no, probably not. I wonder why. That's really fascinating. Well, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it has to do with, yeah, I don't know. I mean, but in the visual effects weren't, you know, finished yet. And they could use some of the frames. or something like that, so they had to use what they had.

Or I wonder if, like, Spielberg, I mean, it sounds like from all accounts, Spielberg was, like, not confident in what he had done, especially in the Neverland stuff, and I wonder if that was a way of him, like, holding back what he was worried and his heart of hearts wasn't going to work. Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like he was also, like, a few years away from using CGI for the first time. Because, I mean, I'm not sure what year this was.

exactly was this 90 or 91 so this is 91 and you're absolutely right because Jurassic is 93 yeah yeah Jurassic's 93 so that was the breakthrough yeah and it was right then when he when when that was like the first movie to use like CGI or like one of the first films to use CGI or like mixed media where they had CGI and in the animatronics and things like that but I feel like yeah maybe that added to the frustration or this technology was right around the corner, and I could have done it. Right, right, right.

So let me give you a couple of a kind of like comfort movie questionnaires related to this film. The best performance in this film, the award would go to, according to you. Me? I would say, I'm going to go with Dustin Hoffman. I just loved his performance in this. And I think that it deserves more praise because I think people hated it. If I'm not mistaken from what I've heard or what I've read about, people did not like seeing Dustin Hoffman in this role.

They were put off by it. It was just too much. And I think that was the reason why, a big reason why it was so, like, critically, like, underwhelming was that people did not like his casting. And I just think, I thought he was brilliant in this movie and loved him in this role. You've mentioned a few scenes. Do you give an award for best scene in this film? What's the one that jumps out to you?

Best scene in this movie. I think the best scene in... I think the best scene in this movie might be the food fight scene. Okay. I just love it. I just thought it was great. It's just, I think, in terms of a visceral love for that scene, where it just, it excites me the same way that it excited me when I was a kid still.

and the fact that it has that effect on me just made me think of it first. Nice. Have you ever dressed up as a character from this film for Halloween or a party? No. I have not. Unfortunately not. But I was watching it again the other day and there's this great outfit when Robin Williams is trying to disguise himself as a pirate.

Right, the first scene when he's in Neverland. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Percy, you know, and he grabs like, you know, a hat and an eyeing up in an eyepatch and a, and like a little cape. And it's just a great, and a cane, and he starts walking with, more with like a limp. Right. I think that's probably my next Halloween costume for sure. Should this movie ever be remade? Should this, no.

I don't, I don't think so. I'm not, I'm not, I tend to lean towards. not wanting to remake films that are really like good yeah um remake the ones that maybe were you know 60% of the way there that you can improve upon but not the ones that are already perfect and i just know i mean it's horrible what they did with i mean like jimongi movies are fun and all like i've seen the new ones it's cool but for me like as a fan of the first one it just it it hurts to see these new jimongi films they're different they're just a different thing yeah they're just way different but it

hurts still because of how much I love, you know, the original Jumanji adaptation. But Robert Williams is just, you know, he's one of, he's, he's the greatest actor ever. And he, he, he, he, what he does in each one of his films is, is, is, is so precious and great. I just don't. I just don't. I don't think anybody should ever fuck with his movies. We haven't even mentioned Rufio in this entire conversation. I feel like we need to give a little shout out to Rufio. Rufio is awesome. Rufio is just as cool as he's always been.

And just as talked about it as he's always been. You know, everyone always loves Rufio when they talk about this movie. And rightfully so. He's an awesome character. All right. Last two for you. If you could play any role in the film, your heart of hearts not say it's a remake but you're transporting back in time what's the what's the

role that you wish you had a crack at from this film oh it's me it's me for sure oh i would love to i think that would be so much fun i love that role you just want to work with dustin you just want to get in there with him i do i do but i also just love that role i just think he's um he's so much fun in the movie and it'll probably be it'd probably be the most fun to play that character yeah I think out of all of them. I mean, I think, you know, as an actor, you look at it and you're just like, oh, this would be a great time, you know, with all the sequences in the movie that smeeze in. They're just like super, super fun moments.

So I want to mention before we end this, that this film, thankfully, is, thanks to all these crazy streaming services now, it's, you can purchase it on Amazon Prime and iTunes. It's on Netflix for free. if you subscribe to Netflix. What I like to do at the end of these is also like kind of book together like a double feature potentially for audiences. So I thought about this.

So I had a couple ideas of potential films that resonate a little bit with some of the themes we've been talking about. If you have any ideas, feel free. If not, no no worries. Oh, I want to hear, yeah. Well, so I thought of Big from that time, which is another film

about kind of arrested development and dealing with the, you know, like the transition from kid to adult. and that is similarly one that just works as kind of a perfect movie for me. The Goonies, I think, I think of in this era. When you think of great, I mean, you know, great child performances and capturing sort of what it's legitimately like

to be a kid and to have friends and to kind of like horse around and do crazy shit, the Goonies just still works. Those would be my top two. I would say the professional. The professional? Leon? Luke Besant's the profession?

Wait, tell me why. Well, I think there's interesting parallels of things about children needing parents. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, needing a father figure, wanting a father figure, although that one's a little bit more questionable in terms of a father figure. Like, weird shit in there. There is weird shit, but a great movie. I think this yearning for your parents,

and, you know, the father-daughter relationship there and this kind of, like, simple, childlike, you know, hitman. I feel like there's probably a lot of interesting parallels between the two movies and their differences would make it a good double feature, you know, between. I like it. I like it. I don't need much of an excuse to watch the professional again, but you've given me one.

So I appreciate it. I mean, Gary Oldman and the professional perfection. Oh, my God. Yeah. So I won't take up any more of your time except to say, you know, we should also mention, hey, people should also watch Hunters, which was awesome. I watched the whole season with you and Al, just killing it. Amazing.

Thank you, man. I appreciate that. What's the, do we know the future of hunters? Do we know if a second season is being planned or what the story might be? Nobody knows the future of anything right now. That's true. Fair enough. It's such crazy times.

I mean, the truth is, and this is with every industry in the world right now, pretty much. It's all shut down, and there's so much uncertainty for every production and every project. And, you know, I think a lot of people, hopefully a lot of people saw and liked the show, and we can do it again, and that would be great. But at this moment, I think everyone's just living day by day trying to stay safe, stay inside, stay away from people, wash their hands, and get through this, get through, you know, this pandemic. And then hopefully we can, you know, have conversations again about making a season two and for hunters and those things. But I think everyone's just focused on what's happening right now.

So it's also a good time to maybe just mention if you guys can, if you guys have a little bit of money, you know, stashed away somewhere. Maybe think about giving it to some, you know, good organizations out there, you know, just to name a few, there's Central Kitchen, there's Feeding America, you know, there's Care, which is, you know, a partner of the CDC. It's definitely a good one, so if you guys can, you know, please give to those who need it right now. And enjoy watching Hook at home and maybe hunters. you guys haven't seen it. It is a nice balance of right like kind of a escaping and forgetting about sort of the troubles outside but also as you said we're all in this together and we're very grateful for the healthcare workers and the people that are on the front lines that are really trying to to take care of us. It's crazy out there. I you know we're all praying that

this uh you know we get past this relatively soon and uh and I certainly hope that we get a chance to see each other again in person soon because it's always better that way. Um, thanks thank you so much thank you for having me man enjoy the rest of your day have a good one and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts i'm a big podcast person i'm daisy riddley and i definitely wasn't pressured to do this by josh Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom.

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