Happy Sad Confused - Marc Maron, Vol. II

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

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Johnson asked me this, I ask everybody. Can you ask her if she would, you know, marry me? You have a significant other. I know, but this is fantasy. Fantasy. Do you like to go to your fan? You're fan of her work? I love her.

She's great. I talked to her dad, but it wasn't appropriate for me. Like, hey, could I get the number? I could make this magic happen for you. And Hathaway and Dakota Johnson. Was it yours? Okay. But, yeah, I have somebody.

But like, you know, for Dakota, I'd rethink I think a lot. Maybe there's too big an age gap. It doesn't necessarily stop me. It's okay. She asked me this. Let's see if your crush remains after you hear this question. Prepare your ears, humans.

Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey guys, today on Happy, Sad, Confused. We've got Mark Marin, the podcast extraordinaire, the brilliant comedian actor. He does it all. Back on the podcast, we're a very fun. very fun, unique conversation. Hey guys, I'm Josh.

Welcome to another edition of Happy, Said, Confused. This is such a cool one. I love Mark Marin. If you catch me on a jog through New York, walking the streets of New York, chances are I'm probably listening to WTF, probably my favorite podcast and has been for many, many years. Mark is ending the show. So this was an opportunity to talk to Mark about. the podcast comedy and so much more more on that in a second first let me just mention um as always

please check out our patreon if you love what i do if you want early access and merch and all the cool stuff bonus materials uh support us over there because it really helps us do stuff over here um patreon dot com slash happy say i confused um no events to mention because we're kind of like in the middle of stuff right now but there's there's i'm doing a lot and there's more to come So stay tuned for more live events that are coming up in the Happy Sank and Fused Universe in New York, L.A., maybe other places. Stay tuned. Okay, a little more on Mark before we dive into the conversation. First of all, some context.

Maybe this is TMI, but I mentioned it to him. I wouldn't mention this to most people, but I felt like I had to with Mark. I did this conversation the day after, drum roll, hernia surgery. I'm sorry, guys. I don't want to hear about people's hernia surgery, but I'm just going to tell you because I said it to Mark. I felt like Mark is such an open and honest conversationalist. I had to like own up to it. So I was on some meds.

Hopefully I was still coherent and with it enough for this conversation. In retrospect, by the way, I can't believe I did this the day after because it's now been a little time. And I have been in a lot of pain to be quite frank since the surgery. that day though I think he caught me in like the day where my strong meds were still still working and I wasn't quite feeling it yet but in retrospect I don't know how I did this one this is true heroism not really okay so that's one piece of context the other is like I said I just want to give context to where Mark is right now Mark recently announced the end of WTF which is his podcast that really is the mother of of all all of what I do and so many people do. I'm not sure if I do what I do without Mark. He certainly has been an influence on me. We have different styles, different ways we do it.

But so much of my inspiration from him has been how he made the interview format and the podcast format his own. So certainly I've tried to chart my own path. Many have. But I have such admiration for what he does. Also, by the way, take out the podcasting. Brilliant comedian, of course. His new special on HBO Max is panicked. Check it out. It's really great. He's also super active in film. Bad Guys, too, is out in theaters. He's got a doc that's about him that I've checked out called Are We Good? If you've listened to his podcast, you know that sentence means a lot. I think that's coming in October. Put that on your list. In Memorium, which I'm really psyched to see. I think we briefly talk about here. The Springsteen movie, deliver me from nowhere he's in.

I mean, this dude could like just do one lane, but he can do acting, comedy, podcasting, and so much more. So a lot of respect for him. One of the great conversationalists. And I'm just so privileged that he came back on the podcast. Last time we did one of these, it was live in front of an audience. And that had its own vibe. But, yeah, this is one of those ones I can't believe. Like, I know Mark Marin and that he knows.

and respects me enough to do the podcast a few times. It means a lot, truly. So, congrats to Mark Maron on an amazing run, WTF, and enjoy this conversation about that and a great many other things. Here's me and Mark Maron. Mark Maron, should we do this? Let's do it.

I mean, we're here. Yeah. You came to this building. I came to this building where we're squatting in someone's editing booth, I guess. Yeah, but I mean, it's a nice shot. You know, it's like, where are they at a theater? It's like Siskel and Ebert. That's right.

What did you think of ravenous? We were just talking about it from obscure movies. It's one of my favorite movies. Full disclosure, since I feel like I can talk. I want to bring this up with anybody else, except that you are so unfiltered and say everything that's on your mind. I had hernia surgery yesterday, and I'm on a serious medication right now, Mark. That's good.

It's good for you. You'll loosen you up. You'll feel relaxed. Not as much at stake. They'll ease some of the neurotic, kind of like what next moments you'll have. Yeah, so if you see me like clutch my midsection halfway through, that's what's going to be on more medicine if you're going to have pain. Bring on the oxy. Yeah.

You have a lot going on, my friend. It's good to see you. Congratulations on Panicked. The doc, hopefully people will see soon. Bad guys too. We're out of time. Stick. That's it.

We did it. Can we start with Comic Con? We were talking about it. So I do Comic Con every year because I'm a big old nerd. No surprise to anybody. What's the Mark Maron? plunged into nerddom experience going to San Diego Comic-Con for bad guys, too. Well, I wouldn't, I don't know that I ever would find myself there in any other situation,

but, you know, the movie flew us down there for the day, you know, to San Diego, which was good. It seemed like a short jump, but I've made that drive to San Diego from L.A. It's supposed to be about, you know, two hours or a little under. It's always four hours, and you can't get in and out. Right. So they flew us in. And I had a sense of what it would be, and it sort of lived up to that in terms of what I saw of

I didn't walk around and take in all the different, you know, boobs or whatever they have there. There was not as many costumes as I thought there would be. But for me, you know, doing that panel in, what is it, H? Hall H. was a big deal, I guess. And I was not really informed that it was a big deal. But it was like 5,000 people in there. And it was me and Craig Robinson, Anthony Ramos, and Danielle and Marlifena. Yeah, Aquafina.

Rockwell, of course. And Rockwell, right, and Natasha. And it was fine. It's just, I find that, you know, in my experience of seeing those from afar for a few minutes, that, you know, just talking, you know, with that many people in front of 5,000 people, like, it can be flat, you know. And I was like, someone's got to punch this up. So, you know, I wanted to get some laughs because it's my innate instinct. And I think it worked out okay.

I don't know, those things happen in a vacuum. I don't, you know, I didn't see any footage from it. I don't know, you know, but it seemed to do okay in the room. It becomes very difficult after a certain point to continue to talk about your character in an animated movie. For 45 minutes, like how much, like, how many, you know, interviews can you do about like,

what does the snake really feel or what, if you were gonna be another animal, like this stretch for interviews to figure out, you know, how to engage an actor around doing a voice. No, I've been on the, You've been on the other side, too. You haven't had to really probably interview folks doing that too much. But, yeah, there's like a six-minute cap on what you can talk about.

About animated? Yeah. Well, it's crazy. It's like, yeah, it's like, what were you like in the booth? What were you wearing? That's it. You know, tell us about efforts. You know, ooh, ah, eat.

And then, but, you know, I did run into some old friends, which was, it's always good. You know, I saw Eugene Merman, you know, from the Bob's Burger's crew. I've known forever, John Benjamin. And I ran into, oh, come on, dude. My brain. I'm the one that had surgery. Yeah, I'm just getting old. Well, here's what I'll say.

I do appreciate that in an animated film panel, you and Sam were able to work in references to deliverance and the Deer Hunter for the children in the audience. Did anybody from the Universal say, like, maybe next time we don't need to go to 70s already. No, and like after I dropped my first couple of fucks, I realized there was a lot of kids in here. Right.

And I kind of reeled that in. I think the best moment was where, you know, Kevin McCarthy was like, what other DreamWorks characters would you like to see your characters engaged in? And he got to me and I said, I'm Googling DreamWorks movies. I really didn't know. Shrek? You're not a Shrekophile? I would have pegged you for a big time.

I don't watch any animity. No, I get it. I don't, I really don't, you know, my girlfriend got me into the Japanese guy. Right. What's his name? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, that was, you know, and I get it.

You know, I just have a, you know, and I can take it in. I like a good story, but I just get bored, really. But I think bad guys, too, is pretty, you know, exciting. How do you reconcile, look, you always talk about, for those of that, listen to the podcast, listen to your stand-up, like, not being everybody's cup of tea. You're kind of like, you know, and you've kind of reconciled that. And yet here we are talking 2025, and you're in these giant movies.

You're in bad guys too. You were in Joker a few years back. Like, for good or for bad, Mark, I'm sorry to break it to you. You have the biggest podcast on the planet, arguably, or top whatever. Reputationally, yes. Well, okay, yeah.

Except that you are a main part of pop culture. Can you take that in? I don't know what pop culture is anymore. It all seems very fragmented, and I don't quite see that I am necessarily a big part of pop culture. I do feel like I have found a place in it through persistence and talent but I don't know my brain still

always compares me to like why am I not the biggest thing in the world why does that guy get to fill arenas but ultimately it's not I don't if I really think about doing those things I don't want it right but it is a way to constantly not feel good about myself which seems to be you know kind of a mode that I'm you know unfortunately I don't I don't think comfortable with but But I live in that more than I want to. So I think in terms of reconciling, it's, you know, acknowledging that part of me as not being good and sort of have a certain amount of pride and gratitude for where I'm at and the world that I've created for myself. So that's the reconciliation.

Well, I mean, folks haven't seen the doc yet. It sounds like it's going to be coming hopefully sooner rather than later. But I found a really telling moment in this talk about you. called Are We Good where you're like talking to your dad and you're like, I'm never going to win awards dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, again, getting at this thing like, why do you need awards mark? Well, that's an interesting thing because there is an element of, you know, like everybody, if you're in this business, right, and you're putting out things that you want people to like or you want people to engage with. And, you know, this idea that's like, you know, do it for yourself.

like, all right, that's all well and good, but I'm doing it for myself, but I'm putting it out there for other people. And, you know, so the idea that, like, that shouldn't matter is just, you know, okay, but good luck with that. You have to have a real, like, that's a different personality trait that I don't share either. You're right. That can just be so self-validating that's, like, give it. Well, I'm better at it. I'm getting better at that. Like, I can give my, like, but self-validation, Even if you have parents that, you know, weren't, you know, giving you what you thought you needed in terms of that and, you know, whatever that hole is, that there is a sort of moment, you know, if you've had to kind of self-parent your whole life, you know, in the void, where you can actually be like, you know, I'm pretty, you know, I did good job with that, right? And also, in terms of awards and stuff, look, no matter how many people tell me, like, it's not a meritocracy. And even if you learn the sort of what really happens with awards voting as an awards voter and who's voting and what they're voting for,

a lot of times it's like, oh, I know that guy. It's got nothing to do with anything. I get it. But the Peabody thing is real. You know, that and in terms of like seeing who's won it, who hasn't. Well, it's just like it was, it's not even a no brain or it deserved it, you know, at a different time. Yeah. But then you kind of break that down and you're like, it's probably one person or, you know, at that time.

I thought it might have been the language. Who the hell knows? Right, right. It doesn't matter to anybody. No, but I think it deserved it, right? Yeah. You know, the other stuff, the politics of Emmys, Oscars, Grammys, whatever, and the voting public of those things,

I get that that's not a fair thing, you know, and it's a, for whatever reason people win that shouldn't do it. Yeah, you'll look at the history of the Oscars. This is the old conversation. The ones that win aren't the one of the greatest films. That's right. But the Peabody, you know, had a certain amount of integrity. And, you know, we did something within its purview that does, so maybe you'll get a Kennedy

Senator honor or a Mawani a Trump honor now, whatever they call them. Yeah, then you got to wrestle with like, I'm not doing that. But no, it's really about validation, sadly. And, you know, I try to kind of reel that in. Like, you know, I'm in stick with Owen. And I think it's a good show in the sense that the humanity of it is great. Yeah. and i like working with ellen you know but i you never know with these things but you know people

i can tell when people come up to me like i really yeah they like it and a lot of them like me in it and uh you know however i feel about it is not important in in that moment where you're like oh okay well then it's doing something you know do you ever think about look i mean like very in the early days of the podcast there was like that that section where you were kind of of always talking, S&L came up all the time. Yeah. You had to reconcile the stuff with Warren and he kind of seems like you got through that.

But like if you had got an S&L, if you got a weekend update, you wouldn't have this life. That's the irony is like it came, as you often say, at a desperation, WTF. And that in turn ignited the stand-up career. Right. So I don't know. Everything does happen for a reason, I guess.

Well, you know, I think about that particular little, what do you call that, The ever, and it's an adage. Right. The everything happens for a reasonable. Mm-hmm. In order to maintain your sanity, you kind of have to look at things like that. Right.

Or else, yeah, madness lies. I mean, it's, that's sort of a way of contextualizing failure. Totally. That's true. What we tell ourselves as we go to bed. Sure. Didn't get it. Yeah.

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Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty. Let's get some love to the new HBO special Panicked. Fantastic work. I do think and I think you watch it I did enjoy it very much between from bleak bleak to dark and this I feel like and you I think you would agree with this this is the best work of your career like you're locked in thank you I I am locked in it was kind of interesting because I noticed it you know I got there was there was well I think from bleak to dark set me up for you know having for being grounded in some of the stuff I was doing yeah and I made a lot of choices in this special that were only possible because of how long I've been doing it, my experience in it, in comedy, and making decisions around how to present things

that I couldn't have done any other time. But in terms of, you know, what did you say, focus, grounded, what was it? I was merely in it. What did you just say? I don't know. The surgery is effective. Well, I did notice, you know,

obviously I've been working in this material for a year and a half, two years, and you know that crunch process of the few weeks before to get it down from you know an hour and a half hour 45 to 73 i had 73 in my head because bleak to dark was 73 and they get kind of weird about this they don't even want you really i think most people are doing like 34 minute specials and it's like that's not even that job yeah exactly it's not the job it's like a that's like a middle set right and i come from the world of like you know we do an hour that's what you know comedians do yes and HBO who has been great always great to me me to work with, you know, because I'm talking to my manager, they're like, they're pretty set on the hour. I'm like, I kind of need 73. And I had that number because they gave that to me and bleak to dark. Yeah. And I'm working from an hour and a half. So a couple of things happened. Like I settled on an outfit long before the special. Because I've made, that's a mistake I've made over and over again. I buy the clothes the week before. And I'm like, this looks cool. And then I watch and I'm like, what the hell would I do that? What's that vest? They never wore that

But again, I wear it just like, I'm just going to be comfortable, and I wear this shitty flannel shirt that I wear all the time, and it doesn't look good on camera. And then on bleak to dark, we had a stylist, and he put me in a purple leather thing, which looked good, but whatever. But I locked into this outfit, and I wore it on the road for months. And there was this ongoing problem with the shirt, because it was a little snug, and when I sat down, because of the fabric, it would open up and show my stomach. But I wanted to wear the shirt, and somehow or another, I let go of that. because I'm like I'll just try to be aware of it when I'm sitting but who the fuck wants that during the special but I was going to wear it and some kind of weird kind of miracle like I get to the Harvey the Bam Harvey where we shot it and

they have a you know a wardrobe person who works for the theater she's like I can fix that we'll put snaps hidden snaps in between the buttons I'm like oh my god now it's gonna work out it's all hinging on the shirt I don't know if the comedy will work at all at all but I look okay it adds to it you don't know how my brain works. It's like it's gonna lock into something. Like this morning, I'm going to CBS and somehow I'm in the car coming to CBS

with the one pair of khaki pants, which I hardly ever wear, that I bought for TV and stuff. I'm driving in the car and there's a big old wet spot on my pants, I'm like, what the fuck is that? Is that like I had this like creatine drink and I think is that gonna come out? So now I'm dumping water on the pants

in the car to CBS and I gotta be on camera in 40 minutes. That's the kind of shit. What will Gail King think of my problems? Well, but no, it's just my brain. It's like, why does this happen to me? Do other people deal with this? Clooney doesn't deal with this. You know, so, like, I can lock into that stuff as a way of grounding myself, anxiety.

Like, it's a way, it's almost a way of getting into the present. Like, it's not on purpose, but it does function that way. It'll get you out of your head if you're, you know, sitting there, you know, wondering, you know, if your pants or you look like you peed in them. Right. Well, also, by then, you're still locked into your set, to your, But it was all different. There was something about the vibe of this one of panic that had never happened before.

I was completely grounded and not even focused, but totally comfortable with what I had to do. And I've done it many times before, but this was the only time where I didn't let my brain do this sort of like, I don't know if this is going to work out. I made very specific decisions around presenting certain pieces of material. And some of that material is delicate. It's weird, if you really think about this special, how much is in it? There's a lot in there, dude. And I'm just seeing what people come out of, like, oh, I really like this bit.

And, like, there are bits in there that are gnarly. Yeah. But I pull them off. But, you know, there's a little bit of something for everybody, but they're going to, you know, they're going to go through some things. But the other thing is, is that the theater, I thought the production designer, you know, there was a vision to it. And it was similar to Bleak to Dark. The same guy did it, Mark Janowitz. But I got obsessed with the Harvey Theater for a very specific reason, and I can't tell you why, but we did it.

Like, we were going to do it at Town Hall again, but I didn't, it's too wide, it's a short stage, and there are too many people. So I'm like, there's got to be another venue in New York, 850, 900 seats, and we look at the Bam Harvey, and we go over there, and that back wall, that's the back wall in the special. That is the back wall of a theater. I said, there's a history there. It looks like a Rothko painting. And I'm like, we have to, that has to be. All of it, that back wall has to happen. And Mark Janowitz, the production designer,

he's looking at it, he knows the set, and he says, I'm thinking Kansuki. And I'm like, I don't even know what that means. And I look it up, and it's the Japanese art, it's an ancient art of restoring ceramics with gold. Have you seen that? I haven't. It kind of recreates the object into a new form

through putting it back together. And they use gold to do the cracks. And I'm like, all right, well, whatever yeah that sounds great so the whole idea of doing it in a theater that's you know over a hundred years old that has not been restored but maintained as a ruin almost yeah having that back wall that it has a whole history of use and then him like pulling it together with these kensugi lines which are there whether or not people know this this is the nature of production right design is that the poetics of it were there and then and then at the end when i'm doing the

bit about trauma they fade up those kensugi lines onto the wall so it all kind of fit as a theatrical piece so everything was kind of pretty solid do you do you have a vision look you're we're going to get the wTF and that chapter closing now to stand up is continuing stand up will always be i guess you never know if i'm going to pull another one out you say that i know i do but it's true in the moment when i say it i mean it do you have a model in your head like you've talked to every you've talked to the comedians coming up, you've talked to the legends at the end of the line of like what a later act, not literally the act, but the later act of a comedian's career looks like. Who are the models for you of like being vital and true into your 60s and 70s and even beyond if you want?

I don't know, man, because it all hinges on my ability to be moved to do things. it. Yeah, I'm not, you know, I don't have a system or a way of working. You know, I'm not like Malaney. I'm not going to sit there and write down jokes and have the discipline to, you know, you know, just try jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes, like I have to be moved to do it. And, you know, my price point and my, you know, cultural relevance on some level as a stand-up, It's at its own level. You know, I do what I do, and I have people that enjoy what I do. But, you know, the world is not waiting for another special.

And there's not this machine, you know, around me that is like, you've got to get out there. You know, we've got, you know, a lot of, you know, mouths to feed here. Right. So it all hinges on what my creativity will kind of reveal to me as opposed to seeing it as a job that has to be refilled. But I guess my point is, like, you've seen comedians lose a step and those that just keep doing it, just to do it.

Yeah, but arguably, they all lose a step. Yeah. You know, you can't fight time. You know, you can't, I got a conversation with the guy over at CVS, not off camera. And he's like, I just wish Eddie Murphy, you know, would do another stand-up special.

I'm like, yeah, but there's no winning. He will never be that 19-year-old that just came out in the red weather, that has that energy. That's right, and you can still be funny, but there's no way. It's like, it's like, you know, watching the stones. Yeah.

You know, like after a certain point, and like even Seinfeld, you know, like whatever. I mean, he can refill that, you know, whatever the hell he does, you know, because, you know, you can sleepwalk through it. It's its own lane, yeah, yeah. But there are guys that see it as a job. Yeah.

And there are guys that see it, you know, and I know it's a job, but I think more like an artist than, you know, then a guy who's got a job as an entertainer. Refill the pale just to do it. Yeah, because like, why do that? Like, if there's no risk or there's no challenge or there's no sense of like discovery,

like there were lines in this special that came to me days before. So I keep it fluid, you know, and everybody's sure, they punch stuff up or they find, but for me, it doesn't start on the paper, really. Like, you know, these things are delivered to me in moments on stage that somehow or another, because of the way I do it, I leave space open

for that to happen, for there to be improvisation and for there to, because I'm counting on my punchlines to be delivered from wherever in a moment and eventually they arrive. Sometimes it takes years for some things. I leave things that open-ended. I wish I was more just a writer guy. But like if I write something down and you write

the punchline and then he performed the joke it's almost like I just did it look here's a live math equation yeah enjoy so so there were lines and I think one of the best lines in the special came days before you know and it just happened and then a tag came in that same zone a few days before I had a tag in there before that was okay but then it one just came that like nailed it and I'm like okay well that's how I work so it's hard to count on that right in a way where it's like you know we gotta have this thing next week I'm like well okay well I get something will come but yeah yeah but but when they do and and and and they usually do even in a situation like this that's what makes it kind of exciting it's you know and then the process

of molding it all so to answer your question I don't know you know how it ultimately unfolds you know in terms of what I'm going to do creatively in the future you know it looks It looks like I'm going to have to be in a TV show for as long as they need me to be. But the, like I've been playing some music and I don't look to, I don't look at that as, you know, a second profession or like it was something I always wanted to have confidence in doing in front of people. And, you know, I've been doing shows on and off for the last few years with different musicians performing at Largo and stuff.

And the other, the other, last week I had kind of a breakthrough in that and, you know, in being able to kind of be present in my whole self to sing and play with a group of people. And that was very exciting and a kind of major creative breakthrough for me. So I'm still open to all that. But I needed to be, I needed to evolve. And you're gonna have more space for that.

I mean, WTF is a time suck. I mean, as someone that does two podcasts a week, I actually understand very well the cadence of what you do. And I'll say, this for the record I've said this to you before I mean no podcast honestly has been more influential to me I mean we have different styles but like the way you do it I so admire um is it sunk in yet that it that it's over that it's gonna be over I mean yeah oh yeah the life change this is not a career change

this is a life change yeah it's like it's sunk in the sense that I have to you know I've given you know Brendan my producer and I friend of McDonald you know we knew it was coming so we kind of set it up so we can sort of of you know have the time to process it yeah and you know what comes next is that's a whole other thing you know i i don't i have a hard time thinking about i don't you know what my schedule is for tomorrow right now i mean i kind of do but like i don't but i have had to think about taking care of myself in light of more than the job going away it's just the what i get out of you know the conversation yeah with people and and how much of that is

part of my kind of social and emotional and psychological life of these conversations. Because they are genuine, they are in the moment, and they do kind of, they're engaged, candid conversations with people that range from very deep to entertaining to whatever. But it is an ingrained part of my social life. So I have to figure out how am I going to get that after the podcast.

Right. So you don't hide in the garage from society. need to actually get that. Well, right, so I don't isolate and get too much in my head. Yeah, but I, you know, there's support systems that I have and maybe expand my social life a little bit. But there is definitely part of me that is, you know, ready to not be done with the time suck,

you know, because that just becomes second nature, but the emotional exhaustion of engaging my day-to-day life in a full-hearted way and then kind of immersing myself in the people I'm talking to, in the way that I do it, you know, as deep as find a portal to find a way to kind of engage in a deep level, you know, that process does deplete you after a certain point. And you know, Brendan is also exhausted

because he's also very, you know, meticulous and all into his process as an audio producer. And it, and we talk to just about everybody. And it ultimately just comes down to you don't, you don't want to kind of have to get to a point where you're autopiloting any of that. For what? You know, we did good and we've done good. And by stopping it, you kind of guarantee it is looked at as a body of work as opposed to this refillable content that people have grown to rely on

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too you brought yourself so much into the show yeah if you know you go back and listen you hear friendships being formed friendships being broken apart you meeting win yeah it's it's kind of an amazing audio diary of your well that was always the show and that's always the way brendon saw it like you know despite the fact that other people saw it as an interview show or whatever Brendan saw it always as a show about me and that's you know works because that's also the way I interview. So it is that. And the thing that becomes challenging about that is that when you're monologuing twice a week about your life, you know, sometimes not a lot happens between Monday and Thursday. And then there's this idea of like the parts of me that I want to share, you know,

like, you know, what is comedic? What is intense? You know, what is my brain doing? Like there's some parts of that, if you're not careful, that will stop you from evolving or letting yourself really be who you are, which might be quieter. If you're yammering about you all the time, you know, it does, it's hard to share the quieter spaces or, you know, whatever, you know, things about me have shifted or changed, because I do get into a level of panic about things and, you know, in intensity. But it does get to a point where, you know, we've all grown through this together and now i've landed in this place that i'd like to uh keep for myself is it um i mean watching that doc i mean it's it's honestly emotional for me in an audience i think watching and listening

to that conversation with win for instance oh yeah i can only imagine for you i don't know if you'd listen back to it since then but i assume you'd watch the doc so is that an especially yeah thing to listen to what the the one i did actually she died no the original i that too but like even just like hearing like how you met essentially. I think that was how you met on the 2015 episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, both obviously are hugely. Yeah, you know, it's hard, you know, you got to choose to let that in.

I mean, I can hear it and be like, oh, yeah, but like to frame it in what happened or the arc of our relationship. Yeah, it's a lot, but like I can, I can handle it. you know and um yeah there's a lot in that doc that that's kind of uncomfortable for me but but you know processing grief and then you know holding the line on you know how much you want to engage with it you do get a certain amount of control over that like if i let myself i can go into the the deeper sadness but you know i just live with that you can't live in that yeah over the years, I would imagine, I mean, like, you made the choice repeatedly, I would think over the years

never to do video like some of us have done for the podcast. I would imagine there were so many offers to turn it into a TV show of some sort. Was it tough to, at any point, did you go down, almost go down another road with what WTF was going to be? No, I, there, you know, by the time the podcast picked up speed, you know, those shows were already sort of contracting. Yeah, as we No, the late night show is dying. Yeah, yeah, there was never any, you know, major offer to do an interview show. Yeah. And because of the nature of the media landscape, it's like, what offer you going to make me that's going to be better than what I'm already doing?

Yeah, you have full creative control. Yeah, it's a good audience, you know, and the video thing is just that, that we are, it's an audio podcast, and, you know, we're audio guys. So it wasn't not meeting the market or blowing anything. or they should have done this or that, this is not what the show was. And I believe that audio is still the most effective kind of mode for intimacy. Totally. And there was never ever discussion about going video,

even when everyone else is going video. So you want to set up your own kind of sort of public access-looking situation or put a little money into it and make it look like kind of kind of, of a well-produced public access situation and you want to sit there on video with big clunky SM-7s and headsets it's like whatever it's all just lowering the bar for everything uh last guess it's a galger's ghost it's john stewart's do you have is it locked in how you're going to end this show no it's not locked in uh it i assume it'll be just me really yeah unless Obama wants to pop by for a row yeah I mean that's probably the only guy that could make us

have a guest on the last show on the acting side we mentioned bad guys too we've got memoriam which is a leading role yeah we've talked a lot on the podcast about the Sharon Stone interaction I'm excited to see that one it's just one of those things where you do this big thing and then like you know the director didn't make the final deadline for the Toronto Festival and now it's in the can I've seen the final cut I I think I did all right. I think it's a pretty special movie. But now it's like, oh, I'll just wait till the next year for a sundance.

I'm like, all right, well, I'll just take that out of the front burner area of expectations. Well, you have the Avatar sequels you're going to do. Obviously, we talked about that last time. That's so funny. That got such attention. Like, you know, it's like I will talk shit, you know, and that's one of the fears of not having Brendan McDonald watching my back, you know, at every turn. you know in terms of saying things publicly you know but like I thought about that about like

just the ridiculousness of meeting camera and everything but like some people be like dude why you doing that it's going to be bad bad for what what are you trying to get what do you need like in that realm you're not i mean you're not trying to get that see those movies so what at any memorable auditions in the last couple years since we've we've spoken well it seems i've gotten past the now you're off for only mark kind of you know i kind of am and And, you know, I say no to a lot of stuff, because there's, there's, like, it's, I don't know why, you know, but there is just zero, you know, desperation or, like, I, literally, my manager will send me, like, this script is pretty good, like, you should really take a look at it. You know, like, two weeks ago buying it, like, you look at that script, I'm like, oh, no, I can't remember, what was that one? You know, I don't, clearly I'm not hungry for it.

You tried to back out of the Springsteen. I just listened to you talking about that one. That was so funny. That was such a funny moment. It's so stupid. Scott Cooper looking. It's like I can't really explain. Like I have a dread of like almost like almost everything.

And I think, you know, good managers know this and they work within it. Like I'm going to just say no to almost everything. I'm like, oh, where do I got to drive? You know, like, it really comes down to, like, how long, where, why, what's the part? Like, that sounds ridiculous. No one's going to see it. Like, there's this whole barrage of reasons to not do something, you know. But my manager, who's actually in the room right now, you know, he knows all this, and he'll say, like, I get it.

You know, no, that makes sense. And then I think, like, subconsciously, just waits for a slight crack in the wall. Well, I guess. And then he's like, I can get in there. All right, but you know, the food's pretty good. Yeah, Per Diem's pretty, so. But, but, uh, yeah, Springsteen, but you said, you were saying, well, I'd just done that. It was like, it was an undertaking.

It took a lot for me to believe that I could do a lead and carry a movie. And, you know, I did pretty good. I watched the final cut, but after I shot all that, that one, yep, you know, I taught, I like Scott Cooper. Yeah. We text where I, you know, I'm in touch with them. I, you know, I'm a big fan. We, you know, oddly, and this is the full arc of that story, like, so I had this little part. It was not a lot of lines, you know, in the movie. Right. And I just done a lead

in a movie. Right. And now I'm supposed to fly to New Jersey to do five lines. So now my manager has got to deal with this shit, which is not unusual either. I'm like, it's like any actor could do this. Right. This is like, this is entry level acting. I just did a lead in an indie that no one's going to see. You know, so it's going to be passed by the Trump of film. It might not even make it to theaters but I did it you know so so I'm like you know fuck this you and managers like you know it's all right you know I'll get you out of it knowing full well that I would come around somehow but why do we do the stance every time why are we doing this stance you know what's going to happen no because sometimes I really mean no like I don't give a shit but there are there are things that

I'm like I'm just fighting for for whatever but but I just thought like really it's it comes from insecurity was that the diva element was not as large as my insecurity in the sense that like because i really felt because i had one experience doing a movie that i got cut out of you know that it was that uh that michael keaton movie about the lawyer for post you know 9-11 oh yeah yeah right i'm blanked me i got to yeah no one saw it so but somehow or another they put me in that movie to play this kind of scrappy lawyer and i knew i wasn't right for the part and i don't know why or who was doing who a favor or why the fuck. They wanted me

so I'm sitting in a quarter trailer. That's a closet in a shitty suit for the whole day to do a scene that they could have hired a day point. Do the guy, the New York actor, a favor. They're all just waiting for law and orders. So give him the movie. You know, like

there's a guy that looks like this guy. No, that is this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a character actor part and I'm like, I'm not that guy. So Yeah, you're like, wait, is that Mark Marin in that scene and then it wasn't it was like is that Mark Marin on the phone call that they made the scene yeah they kind of shoulder yeah right

right so so with the with the deliver me from nowhere thing you know it's just sort of like you know they can cast a guy that's gonna inhabit this better and it's a small part yeah and and also I was sort of like you know there's nothing for me to do with this yeah so I tell this to my manager and he's like well we'll get you out of it and then I'm like you know all right hold on you know let me just I just think, so I hang out from him, and then I text Cooper, like, I mean, who the fuck does that? It's a big director, you know, it's like, you know, I know I know him well enough, but like, I text him, you know, I'm like, hey, dude, I'm just getting back into the script, doesn't look like there's a lot for me to do here. Am I wrong?

You're like, that the director. So he texts back, he goes, no, dude, I get it, you know, it's fine, you know, we'll work together in the future. I just thought it would be fun. And then, like, right when he texts back and I read that, I'm like, all right. No, I'll do it. You didn't ask, he didn't impress it. It wasn't even a negotiation. I just needed attention, I guess.

No, you're right. I'll do it. But the idea that I thought it would be fun, like, I never look at things like that. What did you have occurred to you that fun might be a part of the equation? Someone just asked me, it was Comic Con fun? I'm like, what are you talking about? How is, you know, what is, that's something I had to do.

Does not compute. Like you're flying on the plane with all those people, fun? No, no. It's not that it's not fun, but it's something, you know, apparently I have to do. Yeah, they had nuts. It was fine. I don't even think I had nuts. I'm sorry. And then on the way back, like, you know, after we spent the whole day of Comic-Con,

they service food on the plane on a 30-minute flight, and I'm a vegan. Everyone's getting these little sandwiches. She gives me a salad the size of a piece of luggage with chickpeas and shit. And I'm like, what am I supposed to? Are we serving the whole plane? Who's the caterer that put this together? But it was fun. The flight and the movie.

No, no, no, the flight wasn't the movie was. Okay, good, good, good. It was fun because it was, because Scott's great. And, you know, there's just a funny kind of thing with it all that we shot in the studio where they did Nebraska, where they were trying to do Nebraska. So it's a studio that worked in. The guy I'm playing is a real guy. Chuck Plotkin, is that his name? I fucked up his name somewhere.

And, and Jeremy Strong's there. And Bruce is there. Well, that's the thing. John Landau is Jeremy Strong, and Jeremy Allen Light is Springsteen, and Walter Houser was there. Paul Walter Houser was there because he had a little part, so he's around, you know, trying to get laughs every three minutes. He's just, there's always one of those guys on sets of like, always going to do the, you know, try to do the riffing. Right, right. But he's a great guy. And he is pretty funny. But he's very funny. I like him. I don't want to, there's no reason for me. You don't need new feuds in your life.

No, there's not. He's very nice, and we text, and he's a sweet guy, and he's a great actor, and he's very funny. But the thing was, is that a couple of things was, well, first, you know, I didn't have, I had to act like I knew how to run aboard. I was an engineer, a sound engineer. And also, Cooper really laid it out to me that. There may not be a lot of lines here, but he's pivotal to the story. Right. You know, he's the guy that figures out how to solve this problem.

And I'm like, okay, that's good. But I had to figure out how to, you know, work the board. And I talked to the guy who worked at the studio, one of the engineers, and we kind of nailed that. And then I tell Cooper, I'm like, hey, man, you know, there's not a lot of footage on this guy. He's a real guy. So I don't know what you want me to do with that. I don't have a point, a source to do him. Yeah.

He goes, don't do worry that. I'm like, really? Okay, you know, I'm just, I'll just get the knobs going. And we do the first scene. And that's like Bruce and John Landau, the real Bruce and the real John Landoah, or in Video Village to a whole fucking time. And, you know, I know Bruce because I went to his house. Yeah.

And he remembers me because I, you know, I make an impression sometimes. But it gave me a shorthand with him. Like he, you know, there's familiarity. So that was kind of interesting. After every, you know, cut, you know, he could be like, go hang out with Bruce. And it gave me a new appreciation for Landau, like, in terms of, like, the shit he gets for working the way he gets.

He did something kind of amazing on set that really is a testament to the work of a real actor in terms of the pursuit of truth part about it. But nonetheless, so I do my first speaking part, point with the knobs, and I was talking, and I was like, you know, Bruce is out there, and I'm like, you know, I've got no idea of this guy is. So I do the knobs, and I do the talking, and cut, and I go out, and right when I walk in the video village, Bruce goes, you're him, you're Chuck. And I'm like, well, that's coincident. I didn't let on. But I'm like, okay, dokey. I've been working those novice for six months, Bruce. You don't know, I've been training.

Yeah, but like that he bought the personality of it, which, you know, whatever. I just figured he's kind of a nerd. He's working for Bruce. He's got a specific job. He's not going to be bombastic. Yeah. But Jeremy was kind of interesting, you know, to, it was just a really interesting thing because he's in it. Yeah.

He does the thing where he's, like, locked into John Landau. And it was good for him to have Landau out there to ask questions. But he'll talk to you as Jeremy, but just in Landau's body. Got it. It's almost like, you know, Jeremy's inside Landau's body, and he can access Jeremy to have a conversation, you know? Okay, yeah, it's like DDL as Lincoln, but still ordering the Starbucks as Lincoln. Yeah, well, kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll talk to you, but it'll be Landau,

but he'll talk, he'll speak as Jeremy. But he did this, he had this moment in the room that was kind of interesting. He's always thinking, and, you know, he's in it, and he's really in it, and he's really in it. And, you know, this process of trying to solve this problem in the studio, it was an ongoing process for a long time. And at some point, you know, he's always kind of like, you know, should I do, you know, talking to Scott, hey with you, I think I should be over here, you know, he's very engaged with the reality. And at some way, he just goes, hey, wait, wait, wouldn't there be empty food containers around? They've been in here a long time. Like, you know, food takeout, wouldn't there be food containers?

Yeah. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, we're ever going to get through this tape? But, but Scott servicing the actor, you know, is sort of like, I don't know, that's a good question. You know, just indulging him. And I wasn't frustrated with it, but I was like, all right, okay, so this is, you're going to deal with this. But the truth of the matter is, you know, they went and asked, you know, Jeremy Strong goes up with the cuts and we're all up in video videos and Charlie's like, wouldn't you guys have it? Right.

And Bruce is like, oh, yeah, for sure. And then Jeremy's like, what would you guys be eating? you know and he's like with roast chicken and sweet potatoes and i'm like that's pretty specific right so so then like then there's that moment it's like all right so you know jeremy's right we're going to do this and all i could think is like some pa is being dispatched you got to sweet potatoes it can't you just roast chicken or sweet potatoes sweet no he's got to fight so that guy's running around new york going calling you have different places on his phone for sweet potatoes But the reality of the frame, you know, was changed because of it.

Yeah. You know, and, you know, set deck, I don't know if you've been on movie sets. A lot of times you get to a set, and it's just loaded up with shit. You know, there are pencils, there are, you know, like all this stuff in containers. Yeah. Yeah, but it doesn't read as anything other than that looks lived in. But when you're sitting there, it's like, why is this snow globe here in a sandwich? There's a story to the snow globe.

There's not. just set deck yeah yeah dude and we're all just trying to justify our jobs our existence mark but i think like you know it's when it's specific you know like i think that the food containers changed his sense of and in deepened the reality of the environment i think probably on screen and for jeremy to to you know find the truth in this character yeah i'm gonna look for the and i was just sitting there like i'll be looking for that and the sweet potatoes in the scene a couple quick things so going forward acting wise i just i caught up with bob odenkirk over at comic con once your action movie franchise i feel like that's your next thing yeah just like i mean

you're ripped we know that yeah it'd probably be a better like uh you know sidekick to the action guy don't don't diminish broadway is that of interest is theater i thought it was but it's a lot of time man you know you got to workshop this and that like i mean look you know maybe that becomes more possible if anybody has the desire to have me do that without the podcast. And you know, within the schedule I've been working on for the last 15, 16 years, I think Broadway would have been a stretch. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No matter what movie I did or where I was in the world,

we were delivering two new shows a week. And I was recording either interviews or intros in hotel rooms and what, like there was a way that Brendan and I were able to work around. things because the podcast was the priority. That was the primary gig. And that took precedence over anything else. So what I am available for, what interests me in terms of being able to take the time if I can separate from my cats

long enough to do something like that. There was sort of this idea of, because look, I'm not a star at the level of those guys are. You know, like you're going to have a bunch of guys. if burr's going to do you know glengri or whatever totally could have seen you in that ensemble though there's no reason that you couldn't see me in it but no one's going to look to me to generate ticket sales for that okay you know maybe maybe i'm talking out of insecurity but like i kind of know from experience that no one's like this guy's a guaranteed moneymaker right let's make him the lead of

this or put him in the ensemble you know like i don't whatever i don't know if that's insecurity or reality but insecurity but so well maybe we'll see i mean you know stick is like one of the reasons i did it was to to heighten visibility on some level and you know and show up in a way that i haven't before but the time it takes to like i think there was a moment that where i was like you know offered a new play but yeah it's like we're going to workshop it in chicago for four weeks and i'm like that's a long haul and then like to do the memorization thing and all that shit i mean you got to really lock into that you can't have too many distractions with that you and your buddy tracy lots oh i'd love to do i'd do i'd do anything with tracy i wish i could work with tracy i'd do

be in one of his plays i'd like to act with him he's very he's very funny actor too he's the best god him that scene in the fucking oh ford for a yeah in the corvette come on come on uh we're gonna end with this uh happy second fuse profoundly random questions i know i know the answers to a few of these but indulge me dogs or cats cats I have yeah I've cats I don't have anything against dogs but they're just too needy for me what do you collect I think I know some of these too what's what are the main things you collect you lately yeah whatever well I seem to be like I don't think in terms of collecting I think in terms of

having so like I'm not you know like I if I get obsessed with a band or something like that you know I'll buy all their records or whatever I think that over the years lately, I've amassed a lot of records. I amassed things. I don't collect too many things. I think if there's one thing I collect, it seems to be Ganesha statues. But in terms of getting things, hopefully for free or through barter, I've amassed a lot of records. I have more guitars than I need, but I don't buy them that often. I try to get them for free and then play them. But there's a lot of things that need that are on their way out. But as far as You know, consciously buying things that I seem to collect, but not a mass.

It seems to be Ganesha statues of one shape, of one size or another. I feel like clothing. Sometimes you talk a little bit about different, like... But those aren't collections. I'm obsessed with a few boots. Right. Like, there's definitely things I wear over and over again. There's things I commit to and have a certain amount of them.

But it's not like I have 90 pairs of boots. Okay, good. Fair enough. You don't strike me as a video game guy. But do you have a favorite video game with all time? Anything you ever played? No. What, modern?

No, I mean, literally childhood could be Pac-Man. I don't know, anything. No, I was never a Pac-Man guy. You know, we were pretty into Space Invaders at the bowling alley when it first came out. There you go. And asteroids. But I never, like, nerded into them enough to know how to turn over the system. You know, there were those guys that figured out, you know, exactly how you could go through all the levels.

Galaga. Gallagah, I used to play in college at the subplace across from where I lived. I like Galaga. Is I always say it Galaga? I do go Galaga, but Galaga sounds like the European, like, classier version. Galaga. I only played the Russian machine. The guys who own the sub shopper are Ukrainian, I think.

Dakota Johnson asked me this, I ask everybody. Can you ask her if she would, you know, marry me? You have a significant other. I know, but this is fantasy. Fantasy. You like your fan? You're a fan of her work? I love her.

She's great. I talked to her dad, but it wasn't appropriate for me to like, hey, could I get the number? I could make this magic happen for you. And Hathaway and Dakota Johnson. Those are yours? Okay. But, you know, Hathaway's married. Yeah.

And, yeah, I have somebody. But, like, you know, for Dakota, I'd rethink a lot. Maybe it's too big an age gap. It doesn't necessarily stop me. It's okay. She asked me this. Let's see if your crush remains after you hear this question. Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt?

What? One B in your butt? Who the fuck wants a mouthful of bees? That sounds like a disaster. Yeah, no, I agree. What's the wallpaper on your phone? I don't know. Do you have a phone?

Yes, you do. I think it's just a regular, yeah, it's just, you got just like space, like just like black? Yeah, I don't get too deep into this. Okay, fair enough. I have a dead cat on my computer, though. One of yours, I hope, not just the side of else's. one mind yeah okay good um last actor you were mistaken for who do i get you ever signed someone else's autographing no no no no a lot of people aren't sure who i am people used to think i look

like spielberg a lot occasionally if i'm pretty shaved you know there's a robert downy thing but i don't get mistaken for too many people i think oddly i i think i'm like bono's starting to look sort of like me. Bono's looking like you or you're looking like Bono? No, I think he's looking like me because he looked different when he was younger but how older is Robin Williams younger that was the biopic that never happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Worst noted director has ever given you? I don't know, man. I don't really remember that stuff. Anything particularly unhelpful that you hate hearing? It'll be okay because it won't. I think it's helpful, but I

I know that it's sort of like, all right, well, that's as good as you're going to do. And in the spirit of happy, second fuse, an actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're instantly happier. George Clooney. Yeah? A movie that makes you sad? Oh, so many of them make me sad. These are always hard questions for me because a movie that makes me sad. Like a classic?

It could be anything. Name some sad movies. Terms of Endearment, Cinema Paradiso, I don't know, it's a wonderful life. Black mirrors make me sad. Yeah. Yeah. That's the most recent ones. That works.

And a food that makes you confused, Mark. You don't get it. Why do people eat that? Oh, you know, I'm not big on tripe. Controversial statement. Because, like, I can, like, I've been plant-based for a couple of years, but, like, it's just, even the way it looks like in foe, or in fa, when you get the soup, and they're like, you know, you want all of it, the weird Vietnamese meatballs and the tripe and the brisket that's just slabs of fat, do you want the whole thing? The tripe, like, I'll eat the other stuff, but the tripe is sort of like, oh, I can see it's just little rings of intestines. Yeah, squiggly little, yeah.

I understand the texture thing, but it's still like, is it necessary? There's no flavor to it. Even Kalamari. It's like, what is the... Oh, I would recall it there. The best of Kalamari can be like, oh, this is like fresh because it's softer than it usually is. Sometimes check texture is enough. Sometimes that's...

No, I agree, but it's also like giant clam and sushi. There's something about that texture. Yeah. The kind of crunchy, chewy, like, I don't know. Not for me. We're going to go watch Avatar and eat some tripe. Mark and I now, oh boy. Congratulations on many fronts.

Let's run it down. The bad guys, too, panicked, most importantly, on HBO, HBO Max, I'm sure any HBO that exists in the world. Check it out. Are we good, hopefully, in the next few months? October, maybe, yeah. Amazing. And look, a personal level, as I said before, WTF,

so important to me, so important to so many others. Enjoy the last lap of it. And thank you for everything you've contributed, Mark. Thanks, buddy. Good talking to you. Good to see you. And so ends in our life. another edition of happy, sad, confused.

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