Happy Sad Confused - Matthew McConaughey, Vol. II

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

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I've been told many times, hey, can't believe you turn down Titanic. I'm like, I didn't turn down Titanic. And I'm like, well, Cameron said, and I said, I never got offered that part. And if I did, I need to find that agent. This is a major mixed signal. That agent owes me money. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, another absolute icon is in the house. We have Matthew McConaughey. on the show today talking about his entire career from Dazed and Confused to his new film The Rivals of Emzaya King. This man is one of the best out there as an actor

and a storyteller. This one is worth your time. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, on whatever podcast platform you are using. And if you enjoy what I do, I encourage you to check out our Patreon. Patreon.com slash happy, say I confused,

early access, ask a question of our guests, access to our live events in New York and L.A. and beyond and so much more. I don't need to give Matthew McConaughey much of an intro, right? Do I, you guys know his work? And he is one of one. There's no one like him. And this conversation is fantastic because he can tell a story. And he does in this conversation, we go back to the beginning, we go back to tasting confused in a time to kill. We talk about the bongo drum incident. Didn't have that on my bingo card, but we did it, guys. We talk about the roles he's turned down, some very famous roles, all the way up to and including this new indie he's a part of called the rivals of Mziah King.

It's a mouthful. It's a great piece of work. Kind of sits on a shelf with mud in my mind of kind of a vibe of a movie, a musical movie without being a musical. Matthew is front and center with a largely unknown cast around him. It's been in the works for a long time and it's finally getting out into theaters now. It's been worth the wait. Check in it. out the rivals of Mzai King with Matthew McConaughey. That's enough of a preamble because you want to hear from the man himself, the legend. Here's me and the one and only Matthew McConaughey. Enjoy. Matthew, you're back on the pod. In person on camera this time. Last time we did was a pandemic, right? Pandemic times. We're doing it for real this time. It's always good to see

man. Thank you for making the time. We're going to dig into a lot today. Of course, as always, rivals of Amzaiiak, and congratulations, man. This is a long road for this one, I know. So you must feel some sense of pride, you know, completion. Yeah, which you declare, and you never know, usually what, you make a movie, he goes into a post, sometimes six, nine months a year.

Yeah. It comes out, you declare. This one's been a little bit longer than that. I'm glad it has. In a way, you know, the studio held onto it to find the right time to release it. We had a great declaration when we opened it south by southwest, but now we're going to share it with the world and do it this weekend and I'm honored to be a part of it.

So the last time we spoke, I mean, we were talking about where you were at in your acting career and you were talking, I was asking about going forward and you were talking about making legacy choices. Right. About kind of like criteria for yourself. Yeah.

And sure enough, like this one, it was about, I think about five years between gigs when you shot this a few years back. So what made this like the one to get back in? Yeah. So I'd been reading, reading scripts. and some good ones. But this is the first one that came across my desk.

I was like, oh, that is a absolutely specific and original time, place, space, language, music, love story, father, daughter, shepherd, a character who gives belonging, who brings the light and puts people in the light everyone he meets, puts them in the center of the circle, and raises them. up and bees and a mandolin bluegrass band who plays in gravel parking lots on any given Tuesday night. It's part of the Hollywood handbook. Everybody knows this is how you make a movie. Right, but you hear it. And that's what you can get out of a good independent film. Yeah. Specific time and place. We were talking about Daniel Roar. He did it with tuner. Yeah. Tecture to the world. And I didn't know that job. Someone goes in tunes pianos? Yeah. What's that way? world oh that person would have a great ear they could pick safes nice connection yeah so this you

know arrivals had that and when in the script that Andrew wrote just caught my curiosity I know those people uh I know how they use music and humor to survive and thrive and get through hardships I know how the their sense of humor that what may break other people's arms just bruises them They're making the best of it. And I know people like Amzai who are just absolute legends, mythological characters in their own mind. Right. As well as making sure that everybody else they run into understands that they're a mythological character. You know?

This might sound silly, but like, do you respond ever to like a title of a film or a character name? Because this is like this one jumps out, both of them. You're the fictional character. There's something there that invites more, you know, investigation. I'll respond to it for sure because it's, it's. It's almost like a, sometimes, you know, when I do a film, I want to go talk to the producer's director and go, what's the poster like?

Yeah. Just like, tell me, is it, well, it's a close-up silhouette of you. Okay, this can be more of a character study. Oh, no, it's a, it's a wide shot of the planes, and there's 60 caliber men coming over. Oh, okay, it's more of an epic. Right. You get a sense.

So the name. Am I going to be leaning against the door? No, I've done that. Yeah. You know, the, the name can be just a, almost a musical note that you go, but Amzaya and rivals of Amziah King, that's very biblical.

Yeah. Mythologically biblical. Yeah. And so I wanna, who's this guy? And it's in all caps. It's a proffer noun. It's not a common noun, you know what I mean? So that's part of the mythology.

And so you had to go to read the script that was there and then talk to Andrew about who Amzai was, how the world revolves around him. He draws people in and then also, not to give a spoiler, leaves in a certain way at an interesting time in the film. You are so, you obviously a huge part in me you are, the titular character,

but you're in some ways a supporting player in this without revealing too much. And I think it's also like, you know, speaks to you that like, you know, you've been front and center a lot in the films. You've not been the leading man many, many times. You've also taken the supporting role when it calls for Wolf of Wall Street

that behooved you well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And something like this, like, kind of helping the next generation. Like, you know, Is that important to you kind of like to pass on what you've learned and be kind of a mentor to a younger actor on set? Yeah. It's not important to me to go, hey, I want to play number two on the call sheet so I can raise up the, no.

No. They can work their way up there. I'm not giving that away. At the same time, I want to be a part of great stories. Yes. And this was a great story. And what happens to my character in the middle of the movie, which, again, not to give it away, some would say, some could say arguably to me, wait, why would you do that?

Bill, why would you choose that? Don't do, no, I'm not scared of what happened to this character. Actually, it's beautiful. It's part of the poetry of the film because my motto for my life has been just keep living. You know, how do you keep someone's spirit alive when they're not there? How do we admit that sometimes people have to leave us and what they leave us gives us our purpose in place to go? And if they were still around to help shepherd us, we wouldn't do it.

Yeah. There's a certain amount of clarity and courage you get when our mentors leave us and go, no, I'm not going to be there this time. You got it. It's a musical film without being a musical. Well, it's source. We don't break into song in the middle of dialogue. It's source music.

It's what we do. Yeah. It just permeates the atmosphere. It's everything. I mean, are you as, you strike me always as such a free and confident performer. Do you have that when you're called upon to sing? Like, do you feel the same kind of? like confidence performing music.

Oh, I get quite nervous. But look, I'll be honest, I still get nervous when I go to a set each day to act without singing. Now, when I have to pick up a new craft, being very comfortable in the middle of 10,000 bees crawling all over me, you don't just show up on the day and go, I'll do that. I'll just be cool.

No, no, you've, It takes a while to get comfortable and then, you know, to then go play a mandolin and sing live. Yeah, that's some nerves. I'm going to go work on that per a few months to get my feet under me. And, you know, what have I found that when I'm playing mandolin really good, I'm not as good of a singer. When I'm singing better, I'm not playing the mandolin. You just get to both going the best at the same time. You're just talking about bouncing life, dog, life, everything.

It's the same thing. You got to get everything. Same thing. Same thing. Hey, man, just keep them out of the red. Yeah. But to practice it enough and prepare enough to where on the day I can be confident. But still, major butterflies on the day. When it's time to actually do this, this is that performance. This is what you've been working on for three months.

This is what you've been rehearsing. This is what you've been up in the morning and night with trying to play and learn the tune. Now we have to do it like we've done it a thousand times because this character does it all the time. The mandolin is an extension of his arm. Yeah. He plays it like he whistles. And so how do we make it look and feel like that and believe that? That's the trick.

I mean, it's funny because, like, you have always struck me as, like, one of the people that seemingly is the most confident in their own skin. I mean, that as a compliment. Like, you know, you know who you are. And a constant conversation I have with actors is kind of what you just alluded to a little bit, which is like imposter syndrome, which, like, in many conversations, like, plagues every actor virtually. at every strata. Do you feel like that's still, I mean, you kind of just talked about this a little bit. Once the last time you felt like imposter syndrome?

Like, I'm the wrong guy for this or I'm not meant to be here. Okay. So I think the way that I've, I shake hands of that. And I have, and I did feel it very early on in my career quite a bit. Like success came over a weekend with time to kill. Right. The amount of yeses and greenlights that came to my lap on that Monday morning that I did not have the previous Friday were monumental and I was like whoa me why me what you want you said I can do any of

these scripts wait three days ago I couldn't do any of them and you want me to read all hundred and tell you which one I want to do when three days ago I would have done any of them right what whoa whoa now look and I'm not saying this in jest but I am saying it somewhat in jest I when I shook hands and going oh I hell man what's wrong with being a fraud it could be a great freaking fraud run towards it that's what we're we're playing make believe yeah so let's make them believe so to be literal and go now there's there's a there's a journey an actor takes to go no i have to inherit this from the inside out and understand that this is who i am and by the time an actor's shooting on a script

that's where we want to be past any intellectual or philosophical definition of why i would do something And we want to get down to the nut of it is because it's who I am. Right. That should be, after you do all the work and there's hundreds of pages of notes and you've gone into the psychology of the character, should end up, why? Because that's who I am. Now, you go that, take that journey to get there to understand and feel from the inside out, who you are that has that character that you're playing and who that character is, that you also, that you're becoming, that you learn from them. but it's fraudulent. It is fraud.

You put it great fraud. Yeah, you're fooling yourself and the audience. That's art. I mean, art emulates life. Life's not the fraud. Art's the fraud. And thank goodness for the fraud. Steal from me.

And if you use it well, you just complimented me. Well, it's also because if you don't believe, if you haven't fooled yourself into believing that you're the guy, The audience isn't going to believe it either. Yeah. You're the first audience. They'll see you Twitch. They'll see you stutter.

Yeah. They will see you trying to do the work on screen and think about, can I pull the, uh-uh. So great fraud. You don't see any of that. You don't, you see, we see performance and you see the work. You see the choices. Like, uh-uh. I shouldn't see that.

Yeah. It's not as good a fraud. You're an excellent fraudster. No, I get it. Totally. Fraudsters. Is that a real word? It is.

If it isn't, it ought to be. I like that. We know you make your words. We heard fraudulent. Let's go with fraudster. Yeah. So, I mean, good fraud, a good con. I mean, good ruse, good muse, good emulation.

I'mitation is not necessarily always a great product. It can be, oh, okay, connect the d'a. That was very much like that. No, you're already into a simile. If you get into assimilies, you're in trouble. Right? I don't want to be like something. I want to be the thing.

Be the thing. Do you get past the thing? the simile, which is past the invitation. If you can pull it off, pull it off, pull off the fraud. And as you know, there's that, here's another way to put it. There's all that, you know, we have this sort of credo in society about, hey, find out who you are, what's your real identity, go there. Well, let's also give what Bob Dylan says some credit.

What are you talking about, man? Be the creation, right. Be what you want to be. Now what's the genius do? The genius can be anybody they want to be. But they're always one at a time. How many Bob Dylan's have there been? We know.

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Yeah, there is. And I don't know how much I noticed it until I've talked about it in post since we made it. But my mother is a beautiful and true example of the value of denied. if you truly commit to it. And I don't mean being sensitive to crisis. I don't mean be foolish. I don't mean being a foolish optimist. I mean absolutely if there's something that you don't,

if somebody doesn't take your favor instead of going off and going, oh, what was wrong with me? Oh my God, was it me? You know, you make up your mind, that's their problem. Right. Boom, to the next. If you don't like a condition, part of the part of getting through it well even if it's medical yeah you may need to go do the medical uh steps to to take care

yourself but part of getting over it is the mind going i am i i don't have this i i i will get i will get i'm getting pass up because i don't have it and it's she has she does it to an extent where it's more than an intellectual exercise she actually buys into the story two types of cancer on aspirin i some people you may hear this and go BS bullshit that doesn't make sense i'm telling you That's what I said too. And when the doctor said it's gone, I'm like, how? She didn't take any of the ones. I don't know.

So, and she also is this. Look, when we would grow up, you know, one, if me or my brother showed up and we thought we were, came home and thought we were the cock of the walk, or my middle brother flipping his hair back after he won the 100 meter dash, thought he was all that. Walking on his toes, as my mom would say. My family was great at finding your Achilles heel. and just jabbing it until you were on the ground crying for mercy and cried uncle and then we lifted you up hoisted you in the air and celebrated you

said welcome back and at the same time if you were ever insecure if you were down if you were not feeling confident about yourself my family and my mom especially would bring you to the center of the circle and start celebrating every asset and attribute you got that was that was original about you and awesome about you and it be you you didn't it wasn't a discussion right it was a revival and all of a sudden she would she and the family would hoist you in the air and and and get you back to yourself and seeing yourself in a great light and then bring drop you down the ground and go there you are don't forget that made it all the more sweet don't ever forget that yeah yeah and she just did that out of it and that's one of the reason she was a great mother so anyway that sense of

community and family and bringing my whole family's always had an affection for the underdog and I think back of the only fights I got in in high school were when I was taking up for the underdog right whether it was the little black guy Ronnie who had a big fro and they called him a run kind of fight defending him whether it was Betty who was the one gothic lesbian in our school who I was friends with and everyone was pick up those are the only fights I got in and I got it from my dad and my mom Boy, if you were an underdog, we loved you. We're going to go, okay, watch this.

Protect the underdog. Yeah. And actually, I've gone through my whole career with whatever success I've had. And I know, for me, I work better believing I'm an underdog. Even if I'm not. Even if seemingly it seems like I'm not. Even if I have to create my own resistance. You know what I mean?

Yep. And I hope to keep doing that. Because if you don't, you can get complacent. Now, what can happen if you, with underdogs, you can, the antithesis of it is, well, but do you lose confidence? Right. No, no, there's something actually great about going, no, I'm not of the populace. You know, I'm not on top.

If I think I'm on top, that's a mortal thought. I need to think immortally. No, I'm still an underdog. You know what I mean? And my mom was, my mom was great. She used to say, we go out to a dance or something, have a date and be nervous, and she'd see us, she'd see whenever she was like, look, here's what you can do tonight. You're not going to walk in that place like you want to buy it.

you know, walk in that place like you own it. Pop and give you a slap. And you head and be like, damn right. Okay. I'm going. I'm going, Mom. She was wonderful at that. And that's a lot of Amzai.

There's a lot of Amzai in that side of my mother. You know, it struck me. So I'm looking, I always, you know, up for these kind of conversations, you look at the arc of the career and the dates and everything. Maybe this has been bought up to you. But we're almost like 30 years to the day as we tape this. July 24th, 30 years ago was the date, a time to kill came out. Really?

Okay. That August is the famous Vanity Fair cover, the Herrits cover, which I just think about as kind of like, there he is. There's already a Superstoke. Was it on, was it on, was it a Vanity Fair? I think so. Was that sitting in the truck? I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think that's it. Herbreds flew in on a helicopter to that photo shoot about an hour after I arrived. I remember that. It was like, oh, oh, the big dog's here. I thought I was a big dog. No, the big dog shows up after I get here. And in a helicopter, excuse me. I didn't get a helicopter.

You've got your helicopter, up sure. 26 then. I mean, how do you think you handled, I mean, you talked about kind of the nose turning into yeses overnight and the fame. But like, in retrospect, how do you think you handled that period of your life in terms of? In retrospect, I'm pretty proud of how I handled it. I had times where, you know, I smashed the champagne glass in the name of the, the mendacious caviar and this high-falibund bullshit.

Everyone's, which was clumsy of me. Sure. Because I partially imposter syndrome. Partially, I was kind of right. But still, you don't need to, just guys right, don't need to go prove it. Right. Know your zone. I didn't know my zone sometimes.

I was also what I think quite boring in certain places, but it was a survival mechanism. I wasn't. Things happened so fast and so frequently that. I didn't, there were times I didn't, I wasn't feeling where I was. I was having trouble being present. I'm much more present, like sitting here with you now. I couldn't be off the cuff and given anecdotes and swinging and saying, yeah, we're live, we don't need to edit.

Then there are certain times I was like, be a gentleman, don't lie. I would like just give myself. And I gave some interviews. I was like, geez, it's a boring interview. But you didn't, okay, but you didn't put your ass, bear up a flagpole. Yeah. Okay. You know what I mean?

Okay. Yeah. It's fine. And I had it. So I held a line and I did a cool thing where I did have the instincts to go spiritually. I got to get out of here. And I took a couple of trips, which you know of it, whether it was to South America or whether it was to Africa on my own. Right.

Because I needed to go somewhere where memory could catch up with me. Those trips and I look back, I'm going like, whew. That was necessary and valuable recess that you needed. Because one of the first things was, and I've written about it, you don't meet strangers anymore. The world's a mirror. Yeah.

And people come up and they say, sorry about Ms. Hud. And you go, number one, who are you? Number two, didn't even introduce yourself. Number three, how'd you know how to dog? Number four, how'd you know her name was Ms. Hud? Number five, how'd you know she had cancer? You just jumped five deep into my life on Howdy.

Whoa. You know, so it would feel like you'd feel kind of trust. passed upon or I did so you know that that that took a while that wasn't that wasn't their fault you know but it took a while to get get the feet on the get the feel gravity at the same time be able to accept no you're in a really privileged position let's take advantage of this so I look back and I think I handled it pretty well because I didn't derail yeah I mean you never like it's seemingly from the outside looking in like went off a cliff like the worst you did was

Like, you know, it's the famous, like the bongo drums. Like, and that's just a silly funny story. That's just. Well, that was kind of a good one. That's a, I mean, that's a classic. Matthew's been done since and before. One of one. Yeah.

Naked bongo drumming. Come on. I iconic. I framed that ticket. How loud were you playing to get a voice complaint? Like, uh, well, I was playing quite loud. I also had my window open. There's the mistake.

And that neighbor. That had just moved in. to town mind you we should say forgive them but let me tell you the whole neighborhood got a thorn there ask on you don't call that cop come on you throw up a brick over the wall or something or a hammock and just say hey shut up will you turn it down but you don't call my cops you embarrassed the hell out of them did you immediately have a sense of humor about that at the time or did that feel like a real like well here's a great mom-mom am zaya moment yeah

I was raised where you don't, it's not as much about the crime, it's about did you get caught? And you should feel a little bit of shame for getting caught because you didn't, you didn't, that's what I remember my parents being like, look, it's not even what you did, just the fact that you were lazy enough to get caught.

Yeah. That you didn't respect me enough to try and get away with it better. Yeah. Shame on you. Yeah, here's the discipline. Well, same thing with that particular, like crime. I remember everything was fun and games. Then I woke up in the morning after nine hours in the jail

and started to have the blues because I had gotten caught. And I was in a jail and I was like, I was not raised to be in a jail. I had no problem with what I did. And I don't think my mom and dad got any problem with what I did, but I got caught, you know, and I'm not supposed to be here. Damn it, and I started getting the blues. And I had my one phone call and I called my mom.

bombed and I told her what happened and her first words out of her mouth were like those mother people they got they came in here who the hell do they think they are that and then I know you've done that before you'll play you'll play naked bongos on the funny weed getting in your birthday suit in your life and don't you ever fucking not do that I've done that before dr. popp up and just pump me up above the law just like you hold your head eye you hold your head eye that's their problem but And I remember I had the decision. You got a car over here to the right that's in the garage.

You can get out in private and leave the precinct. Or over here to the left, there's a whole bunch of reporters out there. And you're going to be on camera and make a tape. And if I wouldn't have talked to my mom on that phone call. You would have gone out the other side. Instead, I talked to her and I went left. Went outside. Made a funny quip about nine hours in the cell.

Something silly about I've had better mattresses or something. Everyone chuckled. All of a sudden, the bubble was burst. Someone handed me a T-shirt that had already been made that night that said Bongo Nekid with the character picture of me running across naked and bongos. And everyone got the joke. And everyone was like, what a great ticket. Perfect.

You made the most of it. I got some random stuff. I mean, there's no segue to this, but I want to talk about some films. We've never talked a lot about Interstellar, but Interstellar, which was huge at the time, has only grown. Like, I mean, you see, I'm sure you feel this. Like, people now acknowledge Interstellar as like a modern classic. It's hidden icon status. And it was around just after that 10 year anniversary and since.

Yeah. I still now, and that was what, two years ago, three years ago? That's 70% of the people that come up to me, Interstellar. And all of them say that the general line is, I've seen it four times. Yeah. It's my favorite movie. And they don't stop, and they don't sluff it off and say that they stop me. Similar to what they do with Greenlights, the book,

those fans stop me, put two hands on my shoulder, turn me around and make sure I'm looking at them, and tell me this is what it meant to me. Interstellar fans are doing that now. How did you reach that level of intensity of, I mean, that now iconic scene? It's like learning that, you know, 23 years have gone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's...

So that was a Monday morning. we had just moved locations to a lot. I think we were on Sony lot, and we had just moved locations to L.A. And sometimes when you move a location, you've got to go get your stuff straight. If you've got big, important scenes coming up, it's like, no, I want to be kind of in my groove.

But I remember I had a really kind of quiet weekend with myself. I knew I had that scene coming up, and I just wanted to make sure I didn't have any tension. I want to be relaxed and be able to receive. And I remember showing up that morning, first up, first up, I walked to set. And Nolan says, all right, we're going to rehearse it and play the video. And I remember having this feeling, the same thing I did with Jill Schumacher in the time to kill before the final summation. We walked on that set.

He goes, okay, we're rehearsed it. You can ease your way into it. And I didn't even look at it. And I didn't even look at him. And he goes, okay, we're going to do close-ups first. because I was in it was in a zone ready and that what you see

and there was the first tape in time to kill on Interstellar when I said I think I handed a note to Nolan that said see you please see you close up yeah

and he goes okay and then they send someone else goes okay we'll just run the video back and I'm mm-mm meaning I don't want to see it you're already there well I want to react yeah I got you

I got you because that's where I came up with that understanding that line that's very true actually is everything after take one is acting, everything after take one is fraudulent. And we can improve a performance through. That's where technique comes in.

Right. But the first time in any scene, the first time he sees that you don't know what's coming, if you're relaxed and can react to it, that's pure. That's as pure as it can get. Then take two, take three, you try to keep from anticipating what you're going to see, but you still have an idea in the back of your head. you're going, well, this comes up. So the first time it's happening in real time,

and that take is that is the first take. Amazing. So it came on. They were older. It was going through my head about my own children. What if I had left? And for them it was 30 years. And for me, it was whatever, three weeks.

Whatever the timeline is. Oh, my gosh, what a, what a pain. What a regret, what a sense of loss, and was my choice. Oh, what it, oh, and there it comes. Oh, I don't want to do. And then that's what I just, I just, it was a reaction. It was not a plan. It's just be intent.

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I want to run through a few if you'll indulge me. Yeah, some we've heard these stories before. But there's some I haven't heard you talk about. So Titanic you famously talked about auditioning, thinking you actually thought it. And Cameron said I had it. Did he say somewhere? I don't know that. Maybe.

I've been told many times, hey, can't believe you turned down Titanic. I'm like, I didn't turn down Titanic. And I'm like, well, Cameron said, and I said, I never got offered that part. And if I did, I need to find that agent. This is a major mixed signal. That agent owes me money. No, I never got offered that. So whatever that mixed stories, I had heard that.

The truth is, I never got offered that. I did have a great, what I thought. It was a great audition. The producers were there. I had it with Kate. I walked out of there feeling like, I think I got that role. Yeah. And did not.

Was it tough for you to see the film when they came out? And it was the biggest film at all time? No. No, I'm pretty quick to go switch it off. On to the next. Hey, that did all I could. Yeah. What's tough.

is if I had gone in, I had a shitty audition and left going, ah, damn it, I could have, and then not gotten it. But you did all your time. Then I'd have been wondering, but I went in and we had a good audition and it did all I could. You have said you turned down LA Confidential, which was a regret at the same time period. It is. Curtis Hanson, so I remember this, Curtis Hanson came to see me in Canton, New, Kansas City on the set of Time to Kill. And I'm in the middle of shooting Time to Kill.

It's my only world and responsibility at that time. I don't know that I was able to give that script the justice. And I still have this to this day. It's why I'm a very slow reader. Because once you're in the job, you're not. And I also, if you send me a script today, it doesn't mean I may have time tonight. But if I've got certain stuff going on my life,

I know that I'm not going to give that script justice if I read tonight. I need to go. Especially I still this way. I don't, when I write even, I don't know how to schedule, oh, I'll write from one to four in the afternoon. If I have a curfew on the backside of something, oh, I have to stop at that.

I don't give justice to the thing that I'm doing. That's why when I go right, I go away, I give myself three weeks. Right. And you don't have a call. You don't have to go to, you can eat, drink, sleep whenever you want. Night is day, day is night. Get the fever and go for it without a curfew.

Gotcha. And so I have to pick my spots. Yeah. The mud is that way. I'd read that script and turned it down. You just didn't read it in the right time. And it wasn't the right time. And I had enough people close to me that go, man, I'm telling you, there's something here.

And I went and got my mind free and looked out. I was like, oh, wow, there it is. Killer Joe is that way. Turn that down. Thought it was gross. Penny Allen, my great mentor was like, gross. She goes, it's hilarious. I was like, funny.

What are you talking about? She was like, oh, you don't get the meter. Yeah. You're not getting Tracy Let's meet her. I read it again. All of a sudden, I'm gufaw and laughing. going, oh, this is really funny and absurd. So picking things to read at the right time and the right from my mind is very important

to me. And I don't believe I was at that time. Plus, I had a hunch that with success, if I just keep concentrating on this, it'll give it the best time to kill. It'll give it the best chance to succeed. And that will maybe bring other things. So I felt like I might be trespassing to hop out and make a plan to commit to something down the line outside of a time to kill.

Totally. Yeah, at that time. recent times i spoke to craig mazen about this you did talk about the last of us with him yeah was that something you seriously considered or just not feel like no no no i did i did that was also i wasn't really uh acting at that point i think that was part of when when i was probably yeah now i was doing more writing and and looking at you know leadership roles and in life and stuff um it was really good very excited um um you know, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a huge TV watcher, but still series were still, you know,

and we pulled off a real coup with True Detective. Of course. At a time when series were not something that actors like myself, Woody Harrelson would hop over and go do. And that one succeeded in a real royal fashion. Last of Us was really good. I just, it wasn't for me at the time. I don't know if, you know, I don't know what would have been for me at the time. I guess the first thing came across

was rivals that I went like, oh, this is extremely particular. It's a movie, it's one movie. A series, you do have to consider. I do consider. Of course. Well, you want this to succeed? Well, in success,

this is something you'll be doing for years and years and years. Yeah. Do I want to, you know, for that to be the case in success? You mentioned True Detective, which, I mean, since, I mean, such a phenomenon at the time, and people have always talked, oh, would there be more? I mean, Nick Pizzolato last year actually said that he spoke to you in Woody in recent times about doing something else with those characters.

Yeah. How seriously are you guys considering that? We still talk about it, and he's got ideas, and we've talked about a few. And, you know, if he, if he wants to go. get his head and heart and spirit in the place to to put something down because he he was in it he went to a place when he wrote you can imagine i've seen it i can tell and that that that that uh was on another frequency um and had such i didn't clear identity um that was special now you know you also i'm not the biggest fan of doing sequels i've been in

Yeah, talked about, you know, I mean, I wasn't the biggest fan. We had talked about being in the next Magic Mike. I was like, not that Dallas that I lay down. He was a one of one, quote while you're out. I don't, you know. And then also, yeah, I'm not, sometimes in sequels, what they'll do is they jump to the, you know, Rick and I've talked about days. We've talked about Wuderson, you know, there's different characters we talk about,

oh, do you bring back? but if the first one worked really well, then that second one better be its own thing. I'm going through that with Greenland. I've been working on a second book for a while. But will it be in the family of Greenlight? Probably. But do I want it to be a souffle of the same eggs?

No. Right. No. I mean, I need to Persian believe, whether it will be or not, I need a person believe it will be a one-of-one on its own. Yep. And yes, could it be connected to doing like, sure, but would it live on its own and is it worth worthy to put out for me and for anyone else on the on that measure? I feel the same way about sequels.

And a lot of things what they'll do in sequels, which always gets me, they, they'll put the character that goes sort of into a bit of a bit of retirement. I'm like, I don't want to go out on a retire. I'm not looking to retire. Right. I think the characters I play out, I'm like, no. Yeah, you don't want to see Whitterson like a sad sack. No, and not, and especially, don't give him any, like, regret. No.

No. Double down on who he was, it is. That line you originally wrote, that's for love about high school girls. I could hold him to say the same age. Remember, he didn't say that as a joke. He took a step out to the edge of the curve. and said it to the universe like, thank you for this wonderful perspective you've given me

because I have shit figured out. You know, who is that now? You know, is he running a local community radio station with three red-headed twin daughters? Maybe. But he's still moving the same way. You know what I mean? There's a lot of things he's still doing the same

that you're going, ah, thank you. Thank you. That's what we love about you. That individualism, that's why I love the movie HUD. Yeah. He walked that path. all the way through he had no big character arc the world changed all around him and he stayed consistent I there's a certain allure and an honor that I have and seeing people

like that even if they're despicable sometimes yeah I still sit over and applaud and go wow and you can still sleep at night I'm jealous now I came in the wanting the true detective sequel now I want the whaters now I want Rick to get on the horn and I mean I mean but they better be good because the first ones were yeah or a bit of a lightning bolt, you know, of originality. They keep coming to you for like superhero stuff. You know this. You've like, you turned down Guardians famously.

Supposedly Green Lantern was more recently a couple years ago. They talked to you maybe about that. Those are only the ones I know about. I mean, there's probably a ton. There's been a few, yeah. Yeah. And it's just sort of like not your thing. Again, it has to like be the right person, right time.

I'm not against it. I just, I think my sensibilities and my curiosities are. And this is, I'll go back to my writing process sometimes. And I love to think early of characters. I see them very animated. Live action. They can do things that are not, don't logically add up. Sir.

In the mortal world. And I have a reverence for them. They're upon high, right? They're animated. But as I get to know them and believe in them, they come back to live action. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I go, oh, you're a superhero.

Oh, I'm a superhero. Oh, look this superhero shit we do. And that's about belief. Sure. And that's the journey. So I always end up coming back to it. So I'm always looking and animated and I'm going to, I don't need cape and spandex for that.

Yeah, yeah. What's the story of pulling that off with real flesh and blood? Yeah. That's just, that don't know, that intrigues me more. Yeah. Or what's that? You know, we talk about Amzai. He's a mythological, legendary character.

Yeah. You know what I mean? But he's not wearing a cape. Got a man to land around his shoulders. He's got the prop. He's got the name. He might as well be a superhero. You know what I mean?

And, you know, believing you won is over half the battle. Yeah, man. Here's a super random one. One of my favorite conversations in recent years was I talked to the great Gary Oldman. And we had a laugh. We had a long conversation. We talked about tiptoes. One of the great trailers of all time.

It's the role of the lifetime. I don't know if you've heard. Oh, I've heard. Have you heard? If you haven't seen the tiptoes trailer, please give yourself a gift today. And just watch the trailer. It's a thing of beauty. I don't know about I haven't, I've honestly never seen the film.

I don't know how. You didn't see the film? I haven't seen the film. Should I give it a look? Did it come out? What's your rating? It's worth seeing, but you've got, you got... I've never heard your voice go up like that.

Well, what I'm saying is you've got... Is it, I don't know, I think the trailer may be better. The movie, the movie works on a lot. Matthew Bright. It was such an anarchic, wild love story that was so carnion. It's so a wonderful soap opera. I mean, do you kind of love that that's on the resume, that you have like... Hell yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. something like that that's just such a curiosity. Let's go back to an earlier time in my career. I remember certain managers, agents, people in the know in the industry, after Time to Kill came out that were like, you know, Texas change, a masker came out. Right. It held it. Right.

Of course they did. Yeah. Very smart of them. Put that name of the title now. Boom. Me, Renee Zellweger. Let's now the time for that. And there was like, let's certain people were like, well, let's.

Let's, maybe we should just skip by this. And I'm not, why? This is back to mom. Walk out in front. Don't go on the side entrance. I'm not afraid of that. That's part of how I got here. And it stands on its own.

I've got friends that still think that's my best performance I've made. I've had. Kirk Bruce, buddy from Longview, wrote me other day. It was like, text change, how master man, still the best role you ever played. Oh, my God. I mean, so that. tiptoes it, you don't, I don't know, man. I mean, you go through, you can, you can, you could, you could organize and make plans about, you know,

and yes, I get publicity and marketing and I love it and I understand knowing your zone and when to, when to feign and when to fake and when to just admit it, but there's certain, you know, for the work we do, I'm quite, I happen to be quite proud of certain things that may not be deemed of a, oh, well, that's, but okay, great. no shit. But that's what it did. And it helped get here. I'm not going to be embarrassed about it because it's not looked at as upon

the higher ilk of great art or something. It is what it is and it was something. You know? So to try and hide and weave and deny certain things in the past that we did that could be a hell of a lot more work. Yeah. And I think people

I think everyone gets it. And we could use more of the world going like, even our fail, even shit we fail on. Of course. Just go, when we actually admit we failed, all those people that we thought were going to go, Nana, Nana, Boo Boo, go, ha, me too. Yeah. Do you remember the last audition of your career? That must have been a long time ago, I would imagine.

I want to say it wasn't that long ago. I always feel like I'm on this. And I always tell myself, I'll, I'll. I'm ready to audition whenever you're ready. I imagine it happens with the director you want to impress, someone that you really want to work with, even just a meeting. I'll tell you what I do remember.

I remember what was, because some meetings are auditions. Yeah. I remember an audition I failed. Damn it. Preveered the Coen Brothers. I always wanted to work with them. Never worked with you guys yet.

And I had a dinner set up with. The Coen brothers and John McAbe. Just the four of us. Come on. Come on, right? I had such a reverence and was so impressed that I was not involved in the conversation.

And they knew each other well and stories were going on. And you know that time when you're nervous and you're hearing stories going on but then you kind of quit listening because you start thinking about like I need to get a word in here somewhere or maybe say something with it.

Would he say something clever? When I find the gap. So you're not quite listening and you're not quite present because you're anticipating your head. And then you get that gap and you try to hit it. But but but then you get, you're so happy that you got the gap and now all the eyes are on you

and all of a sudden you start to stutter and you go like, oh shit, I lost my train of thought, I forgot. And you start to tell a joke and you get the first act and you forget the punch line and then you try to sluff it off like maybe they didn't notice I missed the punch line there and everyone goes, oh, okay, it goes back to the conversation. It was one of those. And try to tell you, Colin brothers.

I sent you all green lights because I know you like some stories in that. You would love the Australian story, each we ought to make together. So this is my call out to go out of the Steel Actories. Because I left that meeting going, damn it. I blew it. Amazing. And they never came to me for certain things.

I was like, I don't know, wish you would have come to me for that. Well, you use me often for manifestations. This is manifesting Cohn brothers today. Oh, I'm looking right down the pipe. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to you, Joe and Ethan. Fair enough. Okay.

I have to let you go soon. So a couple quick things. I do this with the actors that have amazing filmographies. I'm going to challenge you, Matthew. You're going to pick the best movie of your career. I'm going to bracket style, like a final eight. Okay, so first up, we've got these are all going to be tough. Dazed and Confused versus Lincoln Lawyer.

Oh, geez. I know. Lincoln Lawyer's big in Cleveland, man. Lincoln Lawyer's got me out of a couple traffic tickets in Cleveland. Oh, is that right? That's amazing. Different films. Yeah.

No on your own. Yeah, that's Cleveland. wedding planner got me out of a major mess up in Mexico one time. Can I give it to me before we go? I pull in one late night and I'm crossing the border going way down south and I get pulled over and it's one of those pullovers where they noticed me, Gringo in the truck, a nice truck.

This is that dress down and I'm like, oh, geez, get the wallet out. Here we go. And it was going down. And then I brought up. You guys know Jennifer Lopez? I'm like, ah, and I was like, ever see wedding planner? Like, eh, and I was like, huh? Huh?

Yeah, it was me. Like, oh, what the? And they went off, and we ended up taking pictures together, and then let me go. Sahara works in Oregon with highway patrols. Wow. Where does tiptoe's work? Lincoln Lawyers good in Cleveland, as I said. Does tiptoes help you anywhere?

Tiptoes is Where's tip? No tiptoes is yet to help me anywhere But there's a select few out there If we come across I'm sure I'll get amnesty Okay so Dase and Confused versus Lincoln lawyer

Sorry man I mean look days is my first Yeah I got it I got it Magic Mike versus mud I know I mean look I love I love magic Mike

I still love the start I've told you the story The Soderberg telling me I was like God you gotta give me one He offers me the role But I'm like I don't know what it is And he goes, I'll get you script in a couple of weeks.

And I'm like, well, don't let me wait two weeks, man. Give me one line for my mind to just imagine. He goes, well, this guy Dallas, he's pretty connected to the UFOs, man. And I was like, what a great piece of direction. Because the lid was off in the imagination. But Mud is one of my favorite films. And again, sentimentally so, because it's the one that I see if my father was still a little alive. He would have come to me at 12 years old and put it on.

around me and got hey buddy you seen this movie mud and i'm like no certain he was like oh we got to watch it it's a good one and when my dad said it's a good one or she's a good one or he's a good one it was his highest compliment of something or somebody yeah yeah or it's a mud it is wolf of wall street versus how to lose a guy in 10 days oh geez um how to lose a guy in 10 days the gift that keeps on giving. I think it's probably my favorite rom-com I've done. And it's a lot of people love that rom-com.

And it still pays the best mailbox money of any film we've ever done. Residuals, the whole thing? By far. Bye. It's probably on like every airline forever. It's probably like just...

Sorority house. Yeah. Every, when it used to be just DVDs or cable. Yeah. every March because I'd get a big check because Valentine's Day. Versus Wolf Wall Street? Oh my gosh, then I get to go work with, you know that whole story,

get to go work with Scorsese and Leonardo and that, and, you know, which was a good scene, turned into a longer, really cool, fun scene. Talk about making the most of your screen time. Come on, man. Yeah, that was a real launch pad character. But I mean, look, the movie for me, for that genre, let me just own that genre,

how to lose a guy in today's, that genre, in that genre, that's a real anchor in the rom-com genre through time. Okay, how to lose a guy. Sure, okay. Interstellar Dallas Byers Club. Oh, wow. These are great problems to have, aren't they?

They are. It speaks well of your career. So, do-do, do-do-l-do-do-do. Well, look, Dallas Byers Club, I win the Oscar for a bit. best actor for that's the penultimate standard in our industry for you know we deemed that work the best work by male performing a lead this year and i got that trophy um i got to shake hands with that and go to the late jean mark valet i know thank you yeah and this only gets harder now because now

it's dazed and confused versus mud oh we're doing a bracket bracket they're working our way we're almost Fazed and Confused versus mud, mud, mud. Look, dude, I'm gonna go back to the original. Okay. I still to this day go back to what I learned and how I was treated on days confused as the ultimate way to live, be, act, engage with other actors in the creative process

on that set as the way to do it. I mean, remember, I have a few lines written. not only is the director Richard Linklater invited me back each night to see, I think you'd be hanging out here, what do you think? Dada, ta, ta, ta, da. Hey, you know, the young freshman wants to go get some beer. You think what are some kind of guy

who'd like loan a little money to get some beer? He'd always ask like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you think he likes the red-ed intellectual? Yeah, he likes all kinds of shit. But the cast, they were handing me stuff. Jason London, Parker Posey, Howser, Roy Cochran. They were handing me stuff in the middle of scenes, you know.

There's a walk out. What's going on tonight? Is there a party? London is like, I don't know. Ask this guy. There I am in the middle of the center. Didn't even know it's coming. Patience, darling, patience. I don't know where that came from. But I mean, they're just lobbing me stuff. That's the ultimate generosity. Inviting me into these scenes. And ultimately, that's the way to do it. And it's not the way it's always done. Yeah. Because we do, we do grow. It's a, whether people like to say it or not, it's a competitive experience.

You're protecting your turf a little bit, right? Yeah, and a lot of people don't want to feel that giving to invite someone else in or let someone step and bring them into the light more. You know what I mean? Because they want to protect their own light. And I understand that. But, boy, that was wide open. And the way they just, even if it was shooting scenes and legendary scenes like in front of the car,

talking about melbatose and pop up, it's, I didn't know anything about cars. Yeah. We shout that during lunch. weren't supposed to shoot, but I remember Rick got a camera. He said, Nicky Cat, walk up here, the late Nikki Cat, he just moved on, walk up, and you, Wooderson talking about his car, and you call it, you know, you'll give him some shit about his car, ain't nothing, da-da-da, and I didn't know what, I'm like, I don't know, everyone thinks I'm a motorhead, but I'm not. Lee Daniels, the DP, he knew about cars. He told me stuff. He tells me this, pop-up pissing,

did the, edelbrook intakes. And so I do the take, and then after that, I'm going like, but where are those things on a car? He goes, oh, well, these are in the rear, and so the second take is when I go, bub-da-jig-down-k-d-tint. So like I knew where they were, and that's the take we used. We did that in 20 minutes. I remember, for whatever reason, distinctly,

I had a paper plate, and I had half a sandwich and some green peas, and I set it down, and we started rolling. Did that scene? Why I remember green peas on paper plate? I don't know, but...

So dazed over mud? Dazed, let's go dazed all the way. How to Lose versus Dallas Biders Club? Oh, geez, Dallas Pires Club. Come on. Okay. And then finally, it's dazed versus Dallas Spires Club?

Wow. Look, I'm gonna go back. Look, I mean, I'd like to say Dallas Spires Club, but I gotta say, again, you wouldn't be here. Let me just go back to the source. Everyone's got a different story about how they got in Hollywood, and I walked in the right bar

at the right time, introduced myself to the right guy, Don Phillips, got kicked out of so-said bar and got introduced to Richard Linkletter, read for a part, got it, and then got invited back every single night for three weeks to where I had a role

in a film that had come out for a, after I went back and graduated college and drove out to Hollywood with my U-Haul in 2000 bucks that got me meetings with agents. Didn't get me offers for movies, but got me meetings with like, well, here's some things going on out there

and we're going to get you a read. And first two reads I had in Hollywood. Boys on the side. Angels in the outfield. There it is. Got the rolls. All right, we're way over time, but I'm going to do this last thing,

I promised really quick. The profoundly random questionnaire at the end of every happy set confused. Dogs or cats? for you? Kind of digging cats right now. Okay. Fair enough. What do you collect? I collect

fingernail clippers and pens. Okay. Writing pens and fingernail clippers. Do you have a favorite video game of all time? Favorite video game of all time. Do do do do do do do do. Whoa. Whoa. What's that golf in one week? Oh, yeah. Spin the...

I can picture. I'm in the arcade with you. I got it. Yeah. We got you. This is very appropriate for this film. To go to Johnson, ask me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt?

Oh, B in the ass. Yeah. Wise. What's the wallpaper on your phone? My wife in Papua New Guinea a shot of her after that sunset. If we just had a great afternoon scuba diving. Love it. Last actor you were mistaken for?

Does that ever happen to you? Oh, yeah. shoot yeah you know that halloos guy in 10 days yeah picture yeah well I got some people that come up and go you are my favorite sweet home Alabama oh yeah and I go well me but thank you so close worst note a director has ever given you oh yeah good one worst note a director has ever given you giving me no just they say no to you know you're not often you're not often It's just the worst thing, you can reverse their direction you can give an actor is no.

You take what they say, if you want something different. Spin it or a different. Spin it, yeah. Because you want to make every actor believe that it's their idea. Yeah, yeah. It's one of the great little tricks. Yeah. It would just make us believe it.

Even when I know it was your idea, and you just took my idea and turned it and gave it back to me, you don't have to wink, I'll wink at you and go, thank you, and I will. And I will be like, yeah, because we, you want, it gives us more power to go feel like we own it. Totally. And then it's coming from us. Even when it's not, you go, it is as you did.

Great job. And finally, in the spirit of happy, say confused. An actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're in a better mood. Philips Seymour Hoffman. Best. Movie that makes you sad. Oh, movie that makes me sad. You know, I just watched this one of my favorite films the other night,

and I loved the film. It did make me really sad. I think my whole family cried at the end, but what a beautiful movie of family and brotherhood. The Indian Runner, Sean Penn's writing and directorial debut. Yeah. Not many people are all, but you've seen that one, but that's a good one. Yeah, go check that out.

Big O. Morton. David Morris, Patricia Arquette. Really, really. Charles Bronson's in that, Dennis Hoppers. I don't remember that. Charles Bronson plays that that. And this cast of characters that Sean found that are probably non-actors,

just bring color. And the writing is so, so good. So much is said with so little. I remember the guard too? Remember the movie he directed with Nicholson? Yeah. It's another good one. And finally, a food that makes you confused.

You don't get it. A food that makes me confused. That's a good question. I just had a confusing food. I'm not a big mixer of the... I still don't get chocolate-covered raspberries. Okay. I don't get chocolate-covered apples.

The fruits and chocolate, I can get away with a frozen blueberry-covered chocolate. Maybe a strawberry, but the two food groups still confuse me. Enjoy the fruit. I like it on their own better. Okay, fair enough. We differ here, but... Other than that, we're on the same page.

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