Happy Sad Confused - Ryan Gosling

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

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And I had them in my trailer when I made the movie. Why is that weird? Don't make that weird. I didn't know. That was involuntary. I can't control my face sometimes. But why did you think it was weird even for a second? Wait, are they the same childhood sheets or you like went on eBay?

So I still have the childhood sheets. My mom kept them. I didn't keep them. I didn't say anything. When I told my mom I was doing the movie, she was like, I still have the sheets. So I had them for inspiration. Okay. Now that you've made it weird.

No, I didn't make it with. That's a sweet story. No, no, no, no. That's fine. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins. Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused.

Today on the podcast, hey, girl, it's Ryan Gosling. That's right. Ryan Gosling on the podcast for the very first time talking all things, Project Hail Mary, and so much more. Thank you, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast on YouTube, on Spotify, listening wherever you are. I appreciate you guys. If you're new to the podcast,

If you were enticed with the promise of Ryan Gosling, welcome aboard. Check out our archives, 700 plus episodes, 12 years of Happy, said, confused. We keep on going. And you know why we keep on going? For new, exciting experiences like this, first-time guest, Ryan Gosling. We are really diving into Project Hail Mary in a big way on the podcast because I love this movie. I got a chance to moderate their very first Comic-Con panel last July in San Diego. and that was a special one seeing just 20 minutes of footage.

If you don't know, this is based on Andy Weir's remarkable best-selling book, also a best-selling audiobook. It is a sci-fi story, an adventure story, a comedy, a thriller. It's a lot of things. Most importantly, it is a huge cinematic experience that you really should bring out your friends and family and go see this in the theater because it demands it. So we are diving in a big way on the podcast. We have not only Ryan today coming up very soon on the podcast.

We have screenwriter Drew Goddard. Very excited about that one. Drew has an amazing, amazing resume diving to all things. Yeah, his entire career. Just look it up. You'll see. We also have Phil Ward and Chris Miller, the directors of Project Hail Mary. These guys are great.

That's coming up next week. You know them. You love them from the Jump Street movies from the Spider-Verse movies. That's a fun one, too. But the main event today is Mr. Gosling. So a little context, there are a little history here, history lesson for you, Josh Harrow was Ryan Gosling heads, or maybe you're new to our interactions, which is totally fine.

I don't expect you to know our Uvra together. But suffice it to say, I've been talking to Ryan for a long, long time. Many, many years. My days at MTV, and we always, we had some very memorable conversations over the years. Primarily, you know, I referenced, hey girl, hey girl. was the famous kind of meme way back when. I believe it was around the crazy stupid love time when I interviewed Ryan about that one. And no, I did not originate the Hey Girl meme.

But my interview with him, I was asked him to recreate some and respond to some, became a huge thing. So that's just one tiny part of the Ryan Gosling, Josh Harderwood story. But there's so much more because he has been great to me over the years. And we've had some really fun conversations. My interview with him and Emily Blunt for Fall Guy is an all-timer. talking to him for Barbie. I don't know. I've talked to him for everything.

And I, look, I don't need to sell you on Ryan Gosling being a charming gentleman. You know. You know. And here's the thing, though. Ryan doesn't do podcasts. Look it up. He just doesn't. He doesn't do long form podcasts.

This is a very, very exciting rare treat. He taped one other, rather podcast right after mine today. I believe it's going up right before mine. So not quite the exclusive first podcast interview with Ryan Gosling. But I know in my heart, I know in my mind it was recorded first. So kind of the exclusive first Ryan Gosling podcast. But, yeah, I was really thrilled and honored that he chose to come on the pod and said some really nice things to me. And yeah, he's a gem.

He's a gem. What can you say? Ryan Gosling, he's a gem. So I want to get right to it before we get to the conversation. just a quick reminder, as always, hit up our Patreon. If you like what I do, we put up all our episodes early. We give you merch, autograph merch, exclusive access to live events. We've got a May 5th event in New York City with Stanley Tucci coming up,

a live taping of Happy Say Confused. I'm going to be in Chicago for C2E2. I'm going to be in Miami for the Miami Film Festival. I'll try to remember to put all that information in the show notes. Lots of exciting live events coming up. and like I said, a lot more Project Hail Mary. So Patreon.com slash happy, say, I confuse. That's where you can find all the info.

Support us over there. Helps us make more over here. Okay. You ready? Strap on in. This is a special day, guys. For me, for you, maybe for Ryan Gosling? I don't know.

Here is Ryan Gosling's kind of sort of podcast debut. Enjoy. Ryan. Josh. We're doing this. We're doing it. My personal. And doing it.

and doing it well well we'll see we'll judge at the end my personal Hail Mary has been to get you on this podcast for years you're doing it we're met we made it happen that's a weird a high-five was it turned into a shake we're gonna hug it out at the end too to really make it super awkward I take a responsibility for it no no no here's the thing okay in my copious research you know I'm the world's biggest Ryan Gosling aficionado not a copious research not a podcast guy you have not done the podcast virtually at all. Why have you been denying the world we want to know more about you? Only you. Just I've been waiting for this. You ready? No. They're going to be tears. I haven't done it.

If you were to start a podcast, what would your expertise be? What would be the Ryan Gosling podcast? I don't know. I was just thinking about that earlier actually. It seems like a fun thing to do. Are you? No complaints. I enjoy it. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, because you're just doing what you would do anyway. This is the kind of stuff I would talk about anyway. Just talking to people about stuff. You could talk about like Rocky, films, like 80s, some Stallone films. You could do... Right, how many episodes we get out of that. I do feel like the sequence in the film of you describing, was it Rocky 4 to Rocky? Yeah, I made him watch all the Rockies and the creeds.

That feels like something that... Was that in the script or is that something that you just do? It's not in the script. No, but the film is MGM. And I was like, well... We do have access to them, right? Well, then we have to watch all of them. Yeah. His name is Rocky. It's perfect.

to see all of them. Okay, so let's talk, Project Hail Mary, by the way, is the film. Official congratulations. I've given you congratulations off camera, but that is meaningless to the world. Does it matter unless it's on camera? Nothing.

This is such a great movie. It felt meaningful, but it wasn't. No, no. You know, I'm obsessed with this movie. I've seen it twice already, and the response couldn't be better. Is this, are you exhaling? I mean, this has been a passion project

for five, six years. Are you ready to relax and say, oh, it works? Yes. Does that doesn't feel like a... Well, I've been holding it on for so long, right? It was such a crazy process because people are describing it as like the best book they've ever read and you would have to get the best of the best in order to pull it off. And then on top of it, just the love for it and the love for Rocky.

And then how do you realize this alien that everyone has kind of conjured in their own mind and love so much? How do we do this? This was just that hard. Is it the rocky part of it? I mean, so much of it relies on that relationship and buying that and emotionally connecting with that. It sounds cheesy, but the film has mirrored, like the making of this film has mirrored the story itself in so many ways. You know, it feels like a Hail Mary just to try and make it. And everything has just been basically a basically a leap of faith. Right. Because getting Rocky right and making the choice to do it practically and not do it

CGI was just such a commitment because Rocky a lot of times didn't work. It was a bit like Jaws Shark, you know, it was like a lot of work. My point in saying that is that so is the story about this, everything is hard in the story. And so when we finally, it's... When it did work, it was magic. There were times I felt like I have an alien best friend. We're just hanging out in a spaceship, talking. You know, James is so Ortiz, the puppeteer is so deeply connected to Rocky

that he can go in any different direction and we can improvise. And we start to have a real relationship. And so what we're capturing is actually, you know, a real relationship developing. Yeah. Which you never could have gotten any other way. I didn't know going into it that it would work out, but it felt like we were doing the things we needed to do in order to, like, have the magic happen if it was going to happen. So I do feel a sigh of relief because enough of the book fans, I think, have seen it. Yeah.

And love it. And so that feels good. It feels like we did justice to the book and to Rocky. Well, as you all know, it is about assembling the team and then hoping that it all comes together. With the best of intentions, as you know, nine times out of ten films, they're doubles, if that. And when it all clicks, it's like you have to be grateful that something magical happened along the way. And it happened here. We'll be right back with more Happy, Sad, Confused.

Talk to me a little bit about, okay, so science films. This is going to immediately go into science film Mount Rushmore. This goes with, let's put Oppenheimer up there, Martian, obviously. I'm going to put Real Genius on there. Huge inspiration. heard you mention this. We love real genius, right? We love real genius. That is one of the movies, most quotable movies, it's ingrained in my brain. Also just like his, that T-shirts wear his love language. Yes, that's right. How cool he made science, just, you know.

Chris here is one of the 10 finest minds in the country. Val Kilmore we're talking about. Someday, I hope to be two of them. There's so many gems. It's still there. Nice. It's still there. You grew up, but you were a little young for Real Genius. I'm doing the math. I'm a little older than you. You were five when real genius came out. You caught up to it? I mean I caught it on an HBO free weekend or something like you know like a blockbuster or something yeah it's Val generally an inspiration totally right I mean just what a what an inspiration and what what a loss yeah I had an opportunity to watch him work once and I just think he's you know he was truly one of the greats so you've like vacillated I feel like in your career where it's like you can play

Stoic hero, amazing. You can also play out of his depth idiot really well. Even better. I didn't say that. That you really know. No, but like, are they both... Like, weirdly, you're really good. So good at being out of your depth.

Are both equally rewarding in their own unique ways to kind of play the fish out of water, the guy that's just in over his head, and also play like the classic drive, you know, hero, the man with no name, the man that doesn't say much. Well, it was, it's been helpful to have played a lot of those characters because now I think I can, you're sort of hemmed in in a way with those, right?

There's just so many things you can't try, so many things you can't do if you're like a creative person and you can think of like all the different ways a scene could go or all the things that you're, the people you're working with that you want to incorporate. Yeah. You would just kind of end up like a thousand yards staring through the process and you let all these Gifts just fall away right the only way so somebody was to smolder quietly on the screen yeah and you just let it all go and that's the worst is when you get onto a film set and you have cameras and you have people you know that you are inspired by or you want to capture it

Yeah and you're limited when you're doing those kind of roles because you just you can you know but so you know having done films like that getting to do this I think a big part of the inspiration for me to do this was like okay this one I'm not gonna let anything go by you know we're gonna capture it all and I knew that I needed Chris and Phil to do that because that's the kind of filmmakers yeah they are you know I mean it used to be like when I made independent films I was doing a lot of dramas something funny would happen and then they would laugh and then they would cut and they'd be like okay that was

funny but let's let's get serious you know right I as though funny things don't happen. In real, in dramas, yeah. In life, and as though that funny, the funny helps with the sad. And it helps, that's how you can rope it up, right? You can sort of like. So there's a funnier cut of the believer is what you're saying.

There's like a real. Well, that director was, he thought it was hilarious. I mean, that was what was also so interesting. But, um. Well, it's also time. Like, you don't have time on those independent, the smaller films. But you do.

I mean, you can like let, you can keep rolling. You don't have to cut. So I really, you know, producing this film was a big part of it for me was like also capturing the nature of the book, which is a lot of humor in the book, and then getting filmmakers that not only allow for it, but like, you know, try and create it and look for it. Who's running lines with you as Rocky? Is Eva doing that? Or is your, like, who actually?

What at home? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, my family helped me. So much, you know, some of my girls were so helpful. One time they came to set and they were doing Rocky for me on them. They got on the mic and I was acting with them. So many ideas, just so many, the glasses, you know, like my daughter, I was trying on looks and she was like, you do look smarter in glasses.

These are for show. And I was like, it's a great point. I'll wear it. But again, being open to ideas and whether it's from a family member or a crew member, you'll take what you mean anything you can bounce off of I would imagine makes it better right like it's yeah I always um feel like every day is a bit like an escape room you know I've never actually done in escape room so maybe I shouldn't use this analogy but from what I understand it feels like that because you can make all the plans you want yeah but every day is different right you show up

and it's it's like you're supposed to shoot a scene outside and and um but it's raining Right. So do you build the tenting? But then you have to loop it because you can hear the rain on the thing. And then the whole thing's going to be looped. But it's a big dialogue scene. And you're like, should this whole thing be looped? Should we be chasing this old idea?

Yeah. Or should we just let's do it in the car. We'll shoot it from outside. We won't hear anything they're saying. We'll just see them talking. And maybe that's the thing. Like if you're working with the right people that are willing to throw out the idea for a better idea. And it's always those scenes where people see a film.

And then they say, I love that scene in the car where. you don't hear what they're talking about and you're just watching them talk and you're like, well... It's Sandra singing in this film. It's Sandra singing in the film. Which turns out to be one of the best scenes in the film.

Every time we screened it, people were like, that's their favorite scene. Yeah. Not supposed to be there. Yeah. But you have to have the right people that are willing to do it, you know? Sandra is down to sing.

Out of nowhere, she picks sign of the times. The directors create space for it. We spend a whole day shooting that when we weren't supposed to. and, you know, I don't know, those things are, they're gifts, they're all around, you just have to be working with people that recognize them as that,

and I think filmmaking can be so regimented where you think, well, that's not part of the plan. Yeah. And there's this whole idea of, like, shoot, like there's, we romanticize, I think, the idea of, like, sticking to the vision. Yeah, make your day, get the shots that were assigned as opposed to being open to, like,

the things that are happening around you and finding a way to feather them in to the story. How are you at crying on demand in a film? You have to cry a bit in this film. We did, yeah. What's your secret? Are you going to, like, real places? Are you thinking of specific things?

Are you poking in at your eye? What's the Ryan Gosling technique? I'm not above any of that. Whatever it takes to get the job done. Yeah. On this film, it like was emotional, you know, because like I spent so many days alone on camera because we shot in order that by the time Rocky shows up, I genuinely need a friend. I need a scene partner.

They're so brilliantly bringing him to life that there are times where I feel like we are friends. and when I see him sick or in trouble or suddenly like he's you know I won't give too much away but you see these moments where he's in distress it's like it's kind of not hard at that point you know because you've really been on the journey and the book is incredible so I know the story and the story makes me feel just as it makes everyone who reads it feel so much yeah the sound of distress of Rocky. It reminded me as a kid and I know ET comes up but like eat that's that I can still hear that sound of ET. Yes. When E.T. is dying. Yes. Or sad or upset. Yes. I'm gonna start crying now Ryan. That's it, right? It's like,

he's all like pale. You'll never unsee you. I know. These are kind of core memories. Yeah. That's what we were hoping to create here. It was like a kind of these kind, That kind of a film, you know, back to the future. No, the perennials, that's... Those things that are core memory films that I don't think my kids have very many of those. All right, so we have the luxury of a little time, some random, we could go over the place for a little bit. What's the deep cut that someone references to you that brings a smile to your face? If you see somebody on the street and they quote something, they say something,

Of my work? Yeah, of your work. Oh, I don't know. What is the deep cut thing if someone mentions? Young Hercules? Love that. Love hearing Young Hercules.

Which episode should I start with? I've never watched it, I apologize. Do you recommend me going to the beginning, start with the pilot, and then go? I don't know that you'd need to necessarily go on the whole journey. What is a good... There's one episode that I did with Vern Troyer. Wait, great, Fern Troyer.

Yeah. I got to know him on that, and that was really, he was, yeah, he was such an interesting, yeah, he was a character, right? Yeah, he was a character, right? Had he already done Austin Powers? No, he was going to do Austin Powers, and he was trying to explain to me what he was going to do. Yeah. And I didn't totally get it, obviously, until I saw it.

Right. But, yeah, he played, he did a lot of suit work, and he played a, oh, a, dinosaur and yeah there were times really I was like in the episode I have to squeeze him and then this like goo comes out and catches stuff on fire sure and it was so strange because he and I would be talking about life and all of that and then someone would say okay it's time to shoot and he'd like have to put on the helmet and he'd be like all right let's go like let's just showbiz squeeze the goo out of me there's a metaphor for Hollywood something so somebody have to squeeze the goo out of you on set.

We're all getting the goo squeezed at some point. But anyway, he just was such a lovely, like, fascinating dude. More happy, say, confused coming up. Has even tried to get you on Instagram? She is really, she's killing it. Her social media game is... That's so nice of you to say. She's amazing. What a supporter.

She's an MVP of this whole film. Yeah. Helping me so much. So ever come close to, are you working? out there, you're watching, you're on Instagram, you're on TikTok, you're seeing what's out there. Well, she'll show me what she's doing. Right. But I think, yeah, she has such a great, I think, perspective on it.

Yeah. So I leave it to her. Fair enough. Are you TV watcher? Do you watch a lot of TV? You're obviously a film fan. Do you consume a lot of TV nowadays? Yeah, I grew up.

TV was my best friend. Right. All the channels were my friends. I knew everything. You knew the line of us backwards and forward. Yeah, I remember when the TV guide would come out. I would, like, do the circling, schedule out my life according to... Yes, right?

I didn't have a lot of friends growing up. I had TV. I used to stay home. I used to pretend to be sick so I could stay home and watch Regis and Kelly. Oh, my God. I loved Regis and Kelly. Of course. And I love Days of Our Lives.

I can't support you there, but okay. Really? I just didn't ever got into it. Maybe it was great. I just didn't. Days of Our Lives. That was the one? Well, just so.

Popper actors in general. Yeah. They do not get the love they deserve. Oh no, don't get me wrong. The amount they have to memorize the night before. I know. Like 10 pages of dialogue, they get one take. Yeah.

And it's impossible scenarios. Like when Marlena, Deidre Hall, right? We know. Deidre Hall gets possessed. This is right around when X-Files was a big deal. Right? supernatural. Sure. She was possessed by the devil. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So she, D. Dejah Haas, is suddenly, after playing, you know, just a normal, normal person.

That's the, then she's got to have the, and then it's like, or it's like somebody's dead and now they're back, and then they're a different actor and they come out of the shop. You know, it's like, that was Bo by the way. When Bow and Hope he came out as a new Bo. Of course, yeah, I know. I just say it was an incredible acting class. Yeah. You know, they're, anyway. So, I I love to. What's that? I'm saying like, I'm giving you a direction. What's amazing is I remember that thinking like, God, Deidre Hall's a great actress because

she's having to act possessed right now. This seems like a lot to ask of her. And then it's kind of also when I stopped watching the show, not because of that, but I think I just had to live my life. And just recently it was on TV and she's possessed again. Has she been possessed for 30 years? No, I think it's just like somehow my life keeps passing, like keeps crossing the path with when Deidre Hall is possessed. It's like the monolith in 2001.

It happens every like 30 years. Shudy Gott was said that you were a big Doctor Who fan, that he discovered that you were, is that was Dr. Hu? I'm not as deep. I'm not going to give you a trivia. Don't worry. Okay, thank you. I couldn't answer that. I just, I remember, like, thinking it was super cool and weird growing up.

I didn't wasn't on the schedule with it I didn't okay I don't I can't answer any trivia but I do think shooty as Doctor Who is like all-time casting idea you also just worked with another doctor who I was gonna say did did you were you responsible for Matt Smith who was one of my favorite human beings I'm obsessed with Matt and so much Matt Smith fan he was in a film I directed of course he was yes lost river yeah and when I was writing it was on and I heard his voice and I was like started writing him into the script because I heard him on TV.

So, huge Matt Smith fan and just was so over the moon to have him on Star Wars. It just was like I knew we were in great hands. Has he ever played the game with you? He plays this game with a movie star or actor. He named somebody and says, are they a movie star? Were they an actor? Oh, that sounds diabolical. Diabolical.

You're both. Don't worry. I wasn't thinking about it. I'm just, what a crazy. You play it on camera? I played it on camera with him. Wow. Dangerous, living on the edge.

So I'm not gonna ask you any Star Wars plot things, but I'm just curious, like you, you obviously grew up with Star Wars, right? Like one to ten, how obsessive a Star Wars kid were you and what does it mean to you? I didn't see it until very late. Seriously? Yeah. You're watching Days of Our Lives instead of Star Wars? I was watching, yes.

But I had Star Wars. The first sheets I ever had were Star Wars. And I had them in my trailer when I made the movie. Same tweets. Why is that weird? Don't make that weird. I didn't know. That was involuntary.

I can't control my face sometimes. But why did you think it was weird even for a second? Wait, are they the same childhood sheets or you like went on eBay? So I still have the childhood sheets. My mom kept them. I didn't keep them. I didn't say anything. When I told my mom I was doing the movie, she was like, I still have the sheets.

So I had them for inspiration. Okay. Now that you've made it weird. No, I didn't make it. It's a sweet story. No, no, no, no. That's fine. What's the day like when Tom Cruise directs you on a Star Wars film?

I wasn't there. It's the one day I'm not there. I'm sorry. I worked on that movie the whole time. I get one day off. T.C. comes in. And I'm like, and Sean sends me a picture of him and Tom Cruise and Flynn. Your young star, yep.

They're like in the mud. I was like, what? And they were like, yeah, Tom Cruise flew his helicopter onto set. That's how he does it. They were just shooting, and they heard a helicopter, and they had to cut. And it was Tom Cruise. He lands in the middle of set. He takes a camera, and he just starts shooting the action scene.

None of that seems odd to me. That feels red on brand. There's like a shot of him in the mud with Flynn shooting Flynn, and this is Flynn's first. Anyway, I mean, it's not his first film, but it's like one of his first films. It was an incredible moment. And I don't know why he waited for the one day I wasn't telling him. I hope that was an accident. Would you like to take this moment

to finally formally announce that your ghost writer, Ryan? You know I've tried to make this happen for you. I've done everything in my power. You're not working hard enough. It's my fault? It might be. I don't know what to say.

Do you think it'll happen at some point? Is it still a possibility? We'll keep hope a lot. Have you broken bread with Kevin Feige in the last couple years? You've had that discussion. Some discussions have been had. It's a complicated...

Okay. Situation. Can you just tell me, Eva must hold this over your head. She's been in Ghost Rider and you haven't. This must be a very sore point at home. I don't want to make it awkward. I'm just happy one of us got to do it. That's sweet.

Why was Ghost Rider the one? Why is that character the one that you've mentioned to me and others in the past? Just a feeling. You just... You just want to set your face on fire again. Yeah. Okay. Were you a comic book kid growing up or no?

Not really. Okay. Days of Our Lives, consuming all your time. I was watching Days of Our Lives. And I was working. Right, you were. Yeah. You were in that Mickey.

When's the Mickey Mouse Club going to come back, by the way? That should be rebooted. It should. Right? Yeah. Do you want to announce that you're the new EP of the Mickey Mouse Club today, that you're rebooting it? Hmm. No.

Don't. Should I give up? Can we call it MMC? Yeah. That's what the cool kids call. Our season was MMC. Was it really? Yeah.

Okay, sorry. It got changed from Mickey Mouse Club to MMC. Wow, I can see you take pride in that. I do. Should I give up on the nice guys sequel at this point? People still will never stop asking for that. Don't ask me about it because then I got to talk about Angry Birds and then everyone's going to say, oh, he's obsessed with Angry Birds.

Angry Birds beat you at the Box Office. This guy's still going on about Angry Birds. It's more like Angry Ryan. Yes. You know who's angry. For context, for those that don't know, it's been brought up. Yeah, Angry Birds beat Nice Guys at the box office. What's the cultural footprint of Angry Birds today versus Nice Guys?

You said it. Not me. Ready for another musical? Maybe it's a mash-up of Angry Birds meets Nice Guys. That might be the only way. Right. Ride the Coatails of the Bruns. How do we get a...

But this, a musical. You know what's lying out there waiting for you? What? Sky Masters and Guys and Dolls. There I did it. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Tell me more.

Who's directing? You? Oh, who's at the... No, it's not me. It's definitely not me. Who's attached now? I forget. Someone great.

Are you ready for another musical? I mean, did the Barbie musical vibes? Did it scratch that itch? That's not a full-on musical. I mean, obviously, well, I'll land back in the day. Does it count as a musical? It does, I think it... It's musical, curious.

Musical-adjacent? Yeah. How many beta blockers were you on the night of the Oscars singing? Oh, my Lord. I'm just kidding. None, but that's like a, I should have considered that. You seemed very, I mean, you killed it. But like in your brain were you, that's a big audience.

That's a big moment. That's a big swing. Put me in your head that night. I was just hoping that slash would show up. And there it is. The whole idea, I basically sold that on this idea that the only way I could do it is if we had, I forget what the number was, but like 100 kens. Right.

And a Busby Berkeley number and slash. Like, I thought I gave them an impossible. Right. And then they said Slash was in. You're like, Slash is never like. We'll do it. And I was like, okay. But Slash was in Thailand the night before.

Of course he was. They were like, Slash is going to be in Thailand the night before. He can't, you know. And I was like, well, then I can't because it's all about Slash at the end. have Slash at the end. We don't have a show. And they're like, Slash says he'll get on a plane and he'll do it. So we were rehearsing

for weeks with the idea that Slash might come. And even through to the dress rehearsal right before we did the show and I came down the hallway and I saw this guitar case and it had like a skull with a top hat on and I knew that slash had arrived. Magic. And he was...

Pure slash. So Slash. Yeah. He shredded. He was so cool. He had like, had like... had been working on the part, memorizing it. He just was like, couldn't have been cooler.

And he saved the day. I don't think that show works without Slash at the end. The next musical number, you're going to be like, only if Deirdre Hall is possessed live on stage with me. No, I did it again recently with a S&L monologue where I had this whole... Oh, the Harry Styles. It's like the whole thing. My whole idea was based on Harry Styles being in the audience.

And then they agreed and then suddenly it was like, wait, where's hair? Does anyone know Harry Styles? And then he was going to be in Manchester the night before. And they're like, it was the saying. It was like, why am I doing this to myself? But again, you manifest these things. You have power. He came and saved the day.

Do you ever get imposter syndrome at this point on a set? You're Ryan Gosling. You step on a set. Do you ever feel like, oh, I'm going to get fired. Oh, this is going to crash and burn? Does that still happen? Or at this point, or do you feel a little more confident? I have been let go before, so it's not like unearned.

Right. You know, it's happened. Lovely bones. Yeah. What's the day like after, you've gained 60 pounds for that? Yeah. And pulled all my hair out. Pulled all your hair out.

And then you've parted ways. I've been drinking Hagen-Daz for five months. And you're sitting with that weight and all of that. And like, that's a weird. And now I'm unemployed. That's a dark place to be in. It wasn't great. Yeah.

It wasn't great. You bounced back. But I thought Mark Wahlberg killed it. He did. He did. It was a better choice. It worked out for everybody. Absolutely.

Who was that kidding? You would be great too. What are you talking about? All right. We're going to end with us. Happy second few's profoundly random questions. Oh. Right, Ryan?

Okay. Dogs are cats. I don't like this. Why? Why do I have to choose? Yeah, I mean, you can like them both. It's okay, but you are a dog guy. Well, no, I have a cat.

You have a cat, too? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And I grew up with cats too, but I don't know. They're both. They're just, they're just furry little angels.

Okay, fair enough. What do you collect, if anything? What do I collect? select. And reveal, do you have stuff from sets, knick-knacks? I have some things from films I've done. Yeah. I was trying to find my, I have a drive scorpion jacket somewhere in my closet and I was trying

to find it. I think my wife has hidden it from me because she never wants me to wear it in public. No way. That's cool. Favorite video game of all time? Pitfall. Oh yeah? Okay.

That's like that's hard. I like to jump on the alligators. There's our non-soquid-war of a day. I'm going to the eyes rub it. What's that? Dakota Johnson Memorial question. She asked me this. I ask everybody,

would rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt? Did you observe all that? A mouthful of bees. Not many people, that's the minority opinion. Really? Most people just want to get... Most people would like to have

just the 1B. But, no, don't. It's where the 1B, it's where the 1B. Really? Yeah. That's common. That's the common answer. I would say 85% of people say.

But you're a unicorn, you're special. What a world we live in. What's the wallpaper on your phone? Oh, oh my God. It's this two, there's like a game that my kids play where you create your own characters. And Ava and I got to create our own.

Can we see it? Is it anywhere? I haven't. Maybe I'll show it to you. Fair enough. I'll describe it to you guys later. Okay. A couple more.

Last actor you were mistaken for. Did it still ever happen? I mean, I may get asked for a deadpool autograph every once in a while. And maybe I signed it. Oh, you do it. You just go for it. No, I don't.

Okay. And the worst note of director has ever given you. What sticks out of your brain? There was this one, there was this one studio guy that wanted me to say, he wanted me to say, like, damn, ice cold. Yeah. And I was like, hmm. How would I say that?

How would I say that? He was like, you know, you just say like, damn, ice cold. And it was like, okay, and he was telling me that it would really sizzle if I said it. Cep saying it was sizzle. His word was like, but you want it to sizzle. Man, it's going to sizzle. Yeah. That could be your catchphrase now.

Sizzle when he's stuck in my head. Did you ever say it on camera? I didn't. It was another time I was almost let go. Damn, ice cold. And that was, but you're not going to make me say it now. You just did it. You just did it.

You said it. It'll sizzle. Damn, I did it. It'll sizzle. Did it sizzle? Ryan, this has been a long time coming. I thank you. I appreciate you.

We've come a long way. Hey, girl, to this. How did we get here? I don't know. I don't know. But it's always a pleasure. Right back at you. Congratulations.

You're the best. Stop it. It's true. Everyone wants to talk to you. You're the one. You're the one. You're the one. Congratulations.

I'm so happy for you and all of your success. I don't know how to process this. And you've been so supportive of me. You have. You really tried to, you talk to. To Kevin, you tried to make that happen. I'm trying. Do you need to talk like, Chris Nolan?

What do you need to anybody else? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what they, that's what matters. That's who he is. I just want the best for you. It's who you are. Project Hail Mary, you killed it. Can I come on the dog?

Don't. The dog cast. Don't fuck with me, man. No, I would, that sounds also fun. Who's a good guest? Coming soon, Ryan Gosling. Cool. And your dog.

What's the dog's name? Magic. Magic. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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