Happy Sad Confused - Sam Heughan (2016)

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

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Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today, we are celebrating all things Outlander. The show begins its final season. It's eighth season this Friday, March 6th. So we are taking a look back to my many conversations with this cast,

including this very first podcast chat with the one and only Sam Hewitt. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out Happy. say I confused. If you've been a listener for a while, I appreciate you if you're new to the podcast. You're amazing. Thank you. Check out our archives because there's a ton of great stuff in there, about 700 episodes worth, including many conversations with the cast of this beloved show that is Outlander. There are certain series that have meant a lot to me personally and professionally. And I can say it because Sam is not in the room. And if he were in the room, I couldn't be serious. but, no, in all earnestness, Outlanders meant a lot to me personally and professionally,

and it's been such a blast to get to know this amazing cast over the years. So I thought I would celebrate the beginning of the end, as it were, the final season, the eighth season launches on Stars on March 6th by taking a look back because I've had so many great conversations with this cast. And while many of you have probably, if you're an Outlander fan, if you are Sam Hewain or Katrina Ball fan, you've probably seen my conversations with them. Maybe some have slipped through the cracks, especially early. ones. So what we're going to do today is share with you the very first podcast conversation I had

was Sam Hewin. And it's kind of a fascinating time capsule. I listened back to it. And this was, I think, just my second meeting with Sam. And we met for the first time at Comic Con promoting the second season of Outlander. And I immediately loved him and Katrina. We had a great chat there. And, you know, certain people you just click with, and I knew these people were my people. So I knew I had to have them on the podcast. And I invited Sam on the podcast soon thereafter. And what you're about to experience is an audio conversation. There's no video. I apologize. But back then we weren't doing video on the podcast. What can I say? You know? But maybe that'll make this all the more intimate. I don't know. But it's also a very different kind of conversation than Sam Hewann and I had in subsequent years.

We were just getting to know each other. So I think this is a nice snapshot of Sam and Josh pretending to be professional, which we stopped being at some point over the years. You know, now it's just anarchy. And this was like, like I'm actually treating him with respect in this conversation, if you can imagine. And he, me, I know. So fascinating, fascinating to listen back to. And it's a bit of more of a career conversation in it. And I look back at the beginnings of Outlander in his career.

So I thought this was a nice treat for those of you that have been along for the ride of Outlander all these years. So this is from 2016. You're about to listen to me and Sam Hewan. Before we get to that, though, quick reminder, as always, especially true for the Outlander fans out there, Patreon.com slash happy, say it confused, has so much good stuff in terms of, we always give early access to all our episodes and bonus materials and merch and autograph stuff, all sorts of discount codes to my live events.

But especially if you're an Outlander fan, we have some very special bits and bobs that we're going to put only on the Patreon. As I tape this, I'm getting ready. Don't worry, it's not my red carpet look. But tonight, I'm going to be hosting the live stream of the Outlander Season 8 red carpet. So we'll have some stuff from that. Some other things are cooking. You will be well fed, outlander fans, trust me.

And we might drop another nostalgia episode very soon. I'm checking out. I'm looking at other stuff in the archives. I might share some stuff with you guys. So, um, Patreon.com slash happy say I confused. Anyway, without any further ado, listen up. Use your imagination. Imagine me and Sam Hewin in my cozy little office at MTV back in 2016. This is our very first happy say I confused conversation, the first of many. Here's me and Sam Hewin. Enjoy. We're diving in with Sam Hewen. It's good to see it, man. Hello there. Good to be here in sunny New York. Isn't that so funny?

Scottish weather. You're just saying I brought the weather everywhere I've been on this press store. Oh, is that right? Yeah, it rained in Sydney, Tokyo, L.A., and now New York. You're a harbinger of doom and gloom wherever you go. Absolutely, yes. Very depressing. But we were saying, as we tape this, this is a big week for you guys here in New York.

You're taking New York by storm, so to speak. Yeah, I feel like we're taking over New York a little bit. We have our premiere tonight, which is going to be very exciting. And then we have the Sacks store. We have our costumes up, a great display in the windows there. And then at the end of the week, Tartan Week. So I'm the Grand Marshal this year, very honored. And I'm going to be leading the pipes down 6th Avenue.

That's probably not something when you're growing up as a kid. You're like, you know, probably one day it's all going to lead to this. Yeah, that's really odd, actually. Yeah, I never thought that would ever happen. So do you enjoy the, I mean, you've been racking up the frequent fire miles, traveling the world in support of this? Is this, it's work, but is it enjoyable? I've had no fun at all.

It's been very miserable. No, it's been terrific. You know, I've had a good day off, you know, wherever I've been. And, you know, explored in Japan. I went to Kyoto on the bullet train and did lots of fun stuff in Australia. And yeah, this is kind of like the climax, the culmination. Is there more comfort this go around in the press store in terms of after promoting the second season versus when it was new? it know how it would be received, et cetera?

Comfort. Yeah, we had to do everything by bus last time. Yeah, and now we're being very well looked after. You know you've made it when. Everybody gets their own car. Yeah, exactly. No, we were extremely well looked after. It's wonderful. It's kind of very strange.

But I guess what I would say is that we've maybe a bit more used to it now. We're like, you know, the first year was definitely a learning curve. Yeah. Did you, well, first of all, I feel like I owe you an apology. The only other time I met you was you and had at Comic-Con this first. July. And it felt like such a novel idea. Oh, let's play like a know-your-co-star kind of game, a newlywed game. And then I like look online, like as I'm researching you and like, you've probably played that horrible game like 15 times at least. Maybe once or twice, but to be honest, I still

lose and I'm very competitive. And I get asked the same questions and I still never know the answer. So normally when's cat's birthday and what's her favorite food? And I still can't remember. So what do you warn about her on the second go around now how they've worked with her for a couple of years? What do you know about her now that you didn't know in the first season? Do you know, it's funny actually, season two, definitely.

I think we've got even closer. And I just, I mean, I'm absolutely overwhelmed about how lucky I am to be working with her. And I think that bond between us is definitely, you know, in the show in season two, it's more complex, it's sort of deeper rooted and it's like a more of a grown-up relationship or more of like a modern marriage in the show.

And I think that was also reflected in our personal relationship as well. Can you, you know, you could have a drinking game associated with the times that chemistry is mentioned in terms of like, you know, co-stars and making it work or whatever. Is too much made of that? Can you, can you like, could a show like this but be achieved if you legitimately just didn't get a long offset, you think?

Oh, that's a really good question. Because you do, you go into these chemists. chemistry tests. Right. And I was very... It's just an audition, basically, or not? It's basically an audition, yeah. And I was very lucky to be involved quite early on in our show.

So I tested with lots of very attractive young ladies. And, you know, I felt chemistry with a lot of them. It was... No, I don't know. I mean, it's a funny thing. When you're in it, you don't... You know, you're not aware of what's happening. You're just, you know, in the part.

And I guess it's for everyone watching to... to look for the chemistry, but I don't know. What do they look for? I mean, what do you recall of meeting her for the first time in terms of like, was there something different then versus the other women you were testing with? Yeah, I mean, the only thing I would say is, and when she walked in, it was like, oh, yeah, she's absolutely perfect. And then, and to be honest, before I knew it, you know, we were doing this very intense scene

that it's in the show, but it's, you know, quite dramatic. And before I knew it, I mean, we were literally getting physical, like, sort of, tearing chunks out of each other and i remember at one point thinking god but she can really give it back so i think um to be honest i think at katrina just wowed everyone with you know her performance so i'm curious um like where were you at in your career in your view on your own career and your like self-worth or whatever when you got cast in this what was what was the if i was talking to you like the day before you got tested for this where were you at uh it's actually very very funny i was um i'd been in america quite a while i just finished a pilot

that season and tested on about four shows, quite, quite, you know, quite exciting stuff and got really close on things. And then returned back to the UK a little bit despondent and actually started doing one of those things, I guess an actor does all the time. She started going, can I actually do this? You know, I'm not getting any younger and, you know, am I going to be able to support myself in the future? And I actually, it was at a point where I was looking at, you know, having to, you know, go work in a bar or, you know, do that, do that sort of thing or, you know, or jobs. But, but It's been something every actor does, especially when you're starting out, you know. And then I got a call to go and audition for this series, and it was kind of just stepping on this roller coaster.

Well, it does feel like, you know, in the narrative of people like write about you, it feels like overnight success. But you'd been doing this a while. You mean early 30s when you get this part, right? Yeah, yeah. So it's like, how did you rationalize that when you started to sort of like see what the press kind of made of you? And you're like, well, I've actually been doing this for like 10, over 10. years and having some successes and maybe not some successes or whatever. I've been on the roller coaster for a while.

Yeah. I mean, it is a little bit, but in also a way, it's wonderful. You know, you get, it's just absolutely catapulted, you know, my career and changed my life. It's become my life. But I guess, yeah, no, absolutely. I graduated drama school 2003 and I've been working ever since, you know, off and on as a jobbing actor. So a lot of theater and, you know, bit parts in drama.

But this is, you know, in a way, it's very new, but also I feel lucky that it's come out of time when I, I sort of feel, I know what I'm doing almost. Right. Almost. It's always something to learn. Was there, was there one that got away in the years prior that you felt like, oh, this is going to change my life? I'm like in the top, you know, top three or four now and they're about to, I think it's going to happen. And then clear coasting to the top. Yeah.

Was there one? Many. Yeah, many. I've got a long list. I mean, how long have you got? But yeah, and also when you start, when you test on shows and you get so close, and what they do when you do a test is that before you do your test, your agents, they have to strike, you know, the deal.

Right, you're signed on. So you're signed on, three or five years or whatever. Money you're going to get. And always, you know, before you've got the job, you start imagining, you know, how you're going to spend your money and you maybe even go out and buy yourself something. This is great. Yeah, so year three, I guess. I guess I'll buy the house.

I'll buy the house, the car, and that new watch I've been looking at. So, yeah, I mean, it is. And I guess, you know, over the years, you get a bit more aware that this is the process that happens. And then actually that you can't let it sort of, you know, take you over. But now, you know, I'm in a fortunate place where people bring me coffee. It's just like magic. That's the dream.

Again, when you start out being an actor, the dream is wanted to be on a podcast where someone just brings you coffee when you ask for it. Do you know, this guy kind of looks a bit like you. Oh, yeah. I can't do it. Probably not have to talk about the brand, but... Yeah, there's a spectacled man that needs a haircut on the coffee. Maybe you should start your own coffee brand.

It's my side business. The podcast doesn't pay the bills, man. I got to do what I can. Yeah. So, in retrospect, do you know what you were getting into when you got involved in this? Does it feel like... I mean, this kind of a thing that engenders the kind of passion in fans does not come along very often. Yeah.

Did they, did whoever Ron or whoever kind of explain to you what the ride was going to be like? Or can anyone even do that? No, they can't. And I actually, no, I don't think I knew what was getting into. And I guess, again, going back to being an actor and being that sort of thing, you always play it down and you always think, you know, it's not going to. Well, because you've been burned before probably. Every actor's like had that thing where like, oh, this is going to be the one that clicks. Yeah.

So, you know, you do a show and then it, you know, it doesn't get picked up or you do series and. or whatever. So you're always trying to, you know, not get your expectations too high. And I think it's also been a real learning curve for the show. It's been, it's been terrific. And I think that's what's great about it. You know, it's never, it's never going to get tiring or tired because it's constantly changing and reimagining yourself. And certainly our season two is, is a, almost a completely different show. We'll be right back with more Happy Sad Confused. All right. I want to talk to you guys today about Saley. This is the worldwide E-Sing service created by the makers of NordVPN. Look, if you know anything about my life, and you probably do,

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with true crime from infamous cases like ellen greenberg to shocking florida stories like the dan markell killing with 55 million downloads we bring you new deep dives every tuesday and thursday listen to moms and mysteries on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts so give me the pros and cons of sometimes being objectified is there any con i feel i would feel like i would i would wish this on myself to feel like people are judging me by my looks in a good way. How do you mean? Well, I've been thinking it's an odd thing. Here's my perspective on this.

So I've been in MTV for many years and like, and for instance, in a much different kind of a franchise or whatever. But like I had many conversations with Robert Pattinson, for instance, and I feel like he had to kind of like ride out this very odd thing where he, people projected stuff onto him because he was playing this character and there was a disconnect between him and the character. And, you know, for you, I would think there is a bit of that where some people see Jamie and not Sam when they see you. Is that something that you've experienced and something that is just, it's fun or can it be a little

bit of a mind fuck in a way for you? Yeah, I suppose I have seen that, which I guess I'm flattered by because I guess it means I've probably done my job. Right. But there are other people that I pay money to sort of worry about those things. Right. But I take it all in good humor and I think it's nice that people kind of so buy into music actor. But then I guess, you know, there are times when, you know, you wish people would sort of see you as the acting. You're not actually that person and you're just playing a role. And, you know, I guess actors always worry that they're going to be typecast or always seen

as one person. You start to go against trends. or against type. But I don't know if that's a good idea or not. I'm not sure. Are you seeing that in the things that you've been offered or the things you've been up for since Outlander has it changed? And are they interesting? Or are people kind of like just, again,

taking at face value this one character you've done and just giving you similar parts to that? Initially, yeah. I was offered something. And it was to play a red-headed Scottish warrior in his period piece. What imagination. You've thrown outside the box for that.

It was quite a big show. but no, it's changing as well. And yeah, I've had some really interesting things that we're sort of working on at the moment. And yeah, I'm very excited. And it's all down to Outlander and the fact that, you know, has got this great fan base

and that the show seems to be doing pretty well. What were the first, you know, again, we're talking about how no one can possibly know what they're getting into and something like this. What was the first kind of exposure to fans or in a massive way in a small way that was kind of like, okay, this is, This is not going to be the normal run-of-the-mill experience.

This could be something that resonates on a massive level. Yeah, I think we did a fan event very early on. I think we'd only shot maybe two or three episodes, I think. And we did this fan event in downtown L.A. I've not even completed those episodes, but I think we showed them a small trailer. And, you know, there were people out there, you know, queuing up from sort of, you know, very early in the morning.

And I guess we didn't expect that. In every way, you know, on Twitter, you know, that also for me, you know, because we're in this bubble in Scotland, we're kind of removed from it, which is in a way quite nice. But on Twitter you can sort of see, or social media, you can see, you know, the excitement and the anticipation that people have for the show. And I think that's definitely very rewarding when we then get to come to, you know, New York and let people, you know, finally see it. Is there going to quote typical fan? or have you been surprised by the breadth of fans and the kind of different age groups or whatever? Yeah, I think that, you know, the original book fans

are maybe of a certain demographic because, you know, Diana wrote these books 20 years ago. So they've been waiting 20 years. So they're a group of people that probably read those books back then that had been waiting for them to be made. But we've attracted a lot of new fans, you know, even people that haven't read the books, especially. I think the show is just, I think it stands alone.

Obviously, we wanted to represent the, you know, Diana's great book series. But yeah, we've attracted to people that haven't, you know, sort of even read the books. And then they've gone on to do that. Well, and it's fun too also like, I mean, I remember when I first heard about it and, you know, again, based on the book series or whatever that I frankly wasn't myself knowledgeable about that. But then I heard Ron Moore and like, okay, that checks a different box that makes me very intrigued by this. And it's that unique blend that I think is. probably expanding your audience beyond maybe what typically you would expect it to be.

Yeah, I think our show does to appeal to a lot of people because it's, it's got so much in it. And I think season two certainly really we begin to start to play with the other stuff. You know, season one is about individuals and, you know, there's the history side and the time travel is, you know, is a factor, but it's not a huge part of the show. Right. You know, and there's obviously this romantic interest as well. But season two really starts to play on a larger scale. And Ron definitely plays a lot more with time and time travel and also the effects of that.

So it does feel a bit like Back to the Future. Nice. Yeah. Referencing the poster behind me. I love that poster. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about influences growing up just like what you were into, just what your sensibilities were clearly back to the future.

What else was you into? What rocked your world as a kid? Yeah. Spielberg, I guess. Definitely. I may not, right? Yeah, exactly. You were in the right age group.

Yeah. I was a big, you know, a big fan of, you know, in Jonah Jones and that sort of thing as well. And I guess Bond films, you know, I had, I grew up, we had a black and white television that you had to sort of tune in with a dial. I think we had only maybe four channels, three channels. And we're only allowed to watch one show a night, a very strict parent. And but it was great, you know, and I saw Star Trek for me, and that's obviously Ron, you know, Ron Moore was involved in that's Star Trek next.

generation. But also theater as I got older, it was a big, big influence for me. And I think that's kind of where I got the passion. Did anybody in your family, was anyone in your family in the business at all? Or was it to surprise everybody that Young Sam wanted to get on a stage and do this kind of thing? Young Sam, they, they are, I have a rather artistic family. So I guess they were quite pleased. But also actually warned me a lot that, you know, this is a career that could be very difficult to get into. And you're never going to make any money. and you're going to be miserable. But no, it's been great.

They sort of kept me grounded. So what was the first professional kind of gig? You were acting in school, when did it kind of like go from fun to potential career? I joined a youth theatre in Scotland. And then I went to drama school, Royal Scottish Academy. I think it's called Royal Conservatoire now. Yes. Sounds very classic.

Very classy. Very classy. And I guess that's, I swear it all changed for me. I was very lucky in my second year. I got asked to do a play that was in the Edinburgh Festival and we transferred to London at the Royal Court and I got nominated for an Olivier Award, which was incredible. And I think that's the point.

So then I got an agent and things started to go from there. But yeah, just very lucky to be chosen or to have that sort of opportunity. Was the dream to come here to the States or would you have been intent to simply work in Scotland, working in the UK, whatever, and make your life there because plenty obviously do and can. Yeah. Actually, you know, I guess as you start to dream bigger, you know, your aspirations get bigger. But I initially, you know, was captivated by theatre and, you know, learn who, you know, who was running which theatre and what plays I wanted to do. And I think that for me was definitely the draw. But then as you get into it, certainly at drama school,

You start to get seen for jobs, you start to hear about other success stories. And that makes you dream bigger. And I do remember walking down the streets after school, sort of dreaming about being in Band of Brothers or being in a hit TV show. So it's very strange to actually be back in Scotland, you know, where it all began and be in an American TV show. Does it still apply to dream bigger when you're on this scale where you're having phenomenal success with a show that's like, again, really resonating with millions. of people, do the aspirations get higher? Do like, you know, I mean, you mentioned growing up with Indiana Jones and Bond and your name has come up for things like Bond, et cetera, which is crazy. I mean, amazing and must be like. It's funny. Yeah. Honestly, I think, I guess yes. I can't say too

much, but, you know, I'm having some meetings at the moment. They're all very exciting. And it feels, it feels like I'm in a moment. Yeah, it feels very lucky. So I guess. Yes, it does. And it's all down to Outlander. It's certainly opened up a lot of opportunity. And kind of give me a good exposure as well. Have you could you imagine yourself in a superhero movie? I feel like this is the question I have to ask everybody contractually in 2016. I think absolutely. I've actually played Batman. I know. Yeah. Bruce Wayne. In a weird. In a live, the actual thing, which, you know, to be honest, I think is more difficult than maybe on film because you've literally got your own.

quick changes and you're live and you can't mess it up and it's a very physical show. So, but yeah, I would love another, I'd love another Lycra suit. Pretty cool to hang up in the wardrobe. Why not? Was, well, I'm curious, like, what's the, so you mentioned like Spielberg today. Are you big? You can see a lot of film, TV. What do you have time for?

Do you know, I don't, I mean, I try and watch as much as I can. But when you're shooting, it's very difficult. You know, we have long days and then you get home and you. evening and you need to learn scenes for the next day or go over stuff that's coming up. So, you know, downtime is kind of taken up. But weekends, I do try and get to the cinema. And I do occasionally binge. Yeah.

But, yeah, a mix of things. And actually, you know, on this press tour, I've managed to have a lot of time on airplanes. So I've been catching up. Nice. Anything you've binged on recently that you were into? Binged on Jessica Jones. Oh, it's really good, right? Yeah, it's amazing.

I love it. I think it's a dependent in that, by the way. I mean, they're all great. It's so scary. I mean, I didn't realize it was him in the first episode, and you just hear his voice, and it's quite dark, quite ominous. And I think Kristen Ritter, I actually had the opportunity to meet the other day, and I think she's terrific in the show.

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I love that world he's created. Have you met Ridley yet? He's doing another alien movie. He's doing a couple more. Ah, he is, yeah. I haven't met him. Hmm. Pregnant pause in the air. Turns round. Wait, where are you going, Sam? They've all gone.

So, oh, yeah, I do want to ask a little bit more about the Batman thing because I'm just fascinated by that. I didn't know this existed. And it must have just been, like, I think you said it well. Like, it's one thing to create a Zach Snyder thing with $150 million, but to sell that on stage, Spider-Man had a tough time doing it, too, here in the States. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that, I mean, just can you give me a sense of sort of was that a fun part to play? Was it an easy part to play?

Was it? I mean, you know, in a way, again, it was one of these sort of moments in your life. And, you know, the show, it did okay. We toured around. We did the Staples Center. We did Vegas. We did a lot of Europe, South America. It just had this amazing soundtrack.

It was recorded by the London Filmark Orchestra. and that moment when, you know, you walk up the stairs dressed as Bruce Wayne and the lights come up on you. Yeah, it's very powerful. And, yeah. What kind of suit was it? How heavy you like? Well, so underneath, you know, you had the Bruce Wayne outfit.

And underneath that, you had a full body harness. And then obviously, you know, you have this quick change, which we got down to 20 seconds into the Batman costume, which was this, yeah, I mean, incredible latex rubber, but quite, very thick. He was kind of more of a kind of tank kind of Batman. And the cow, obviously, and you would sweat buckets and fly out over the audience. And it was great. I mean, I remember moments of, like, being in Brazil, like, hanging upside down for the second half of the season.

The second half of the show, just, like, waiting to fly in. And, you know, just hanging above, you know, thousands of people. And it's very odd. But, yeah, a great job. And actually, I think I learned a lot from it, which I think then I used in the greatest. just confidence, I guess, and about the power as well, the power of the actor, I guess. What do you think you'll take from Outlander and hopefully continues on for many seasons? But what are the lessons or what are the skills that you've accumulated here that you didn't have prior that you're going to apply?

Probably the ginger hair is like one of them. Yeah, absolutely. As I said, it's been a learning curve. It's taught me a lot about not only doing the job, which is, you know, one side of its technical side and the, trusting yourself as an actor and learning lines and working in a sort of studio capacity and actually the endurance of it all. But then the other side as well, I guess, you know, this press tour and just how all encompassing it is.

But it's been, yeah, it's been a really nice journey to be on and I feel very fortunate. Is there stuff that's brought up in the interviews invariably that you kind of like steal yourself against like parts of the show, whether it's the, sex or whatever that you feel like yes it's a part of it but do we really need to go there again or are you kind of comfortable with it all at this point yeah i don't have a problem with it at all um you know it sometimes it's it does seem to be the focus of of a lot of interviews but uh really um you know i think it's part of the show and it's an important part of the show um and we put a lot of thought and time into into those those scenes and those episodes and i'm

really proud of it so um yeah it's good i mean the only question is what's under the I think that's always just, it's become, and I still can't think of a good answer, but. So my next 12 questions about what's under the kiln't. No, no, it's not at all. You'll find out on Saturday, it's not a parade. Exactly, exactly. So you're excited for obviously sharing this season, which has a different look by virtue of Paris, etc.

Does it feel like it's going in unique different places than first season? Or the fans going to be enchanted as much as they were the first time around you think? Absolutely. I think they'll be surprised. I think season two really is a different, it has a different feel to the show, a different look to the show, obviously. And certainly it is, the relationship that Jamie and Claire have

has changed, they've become, they're in this marriage now. You know, season one was about discovery and about sort of the honeymoon period and newlyweds. Season two is definitely, you know, the more grown-up kind of complex marriage and them dealing with a lot of issues. but it really is it's a great season it's got you know two counterpoints the first half is in Paris in this very sort of high society and the second half we're back in Scotland where it's

more immediate and and there's more blood and mud more your speed more my speed you know I think that's the characters as well you know they're in Paris they're not comfortable they're there and it's not their world and everyone's kind of a fish out of water and then Scotland actually in a way in this season kind of plays it's very healing in a way And before I let you go, I do want to mention that on your to-do list in the near future or semi-near future, you're going to be climbing, right? Kilimanjaro. Wow, yes, yes, indeed. So what's the impetus for something like that as someone that tries to resist any kind of physical activity whatsoever? I'm just curious what goes on in your brain.

That's different than mine. I love challenging myself. And I love, just being in Scotland, doing the show, I've got a real, found a real enjoyment in going up in mountains and sort of getting out there. And certainly the charity that I, event that I created this year might be challenged, that's sort of an extension of that trying to encourage people to just, you know, have a bigger horizon, a bigger outlook and healthy lifestyle. And Kilimanjaro for me is, you know, a little challenge. And it's just going to be amazing, beautiful.

It sounds like you're kind of a goal-oriented guy, whether it's in terms of like as a kid wanting to, you know, dreaming dreams like that or even today of whether it's in your chosen profession or leisure activities. It's helpful for you to kind of have things to shoot for. I think so, yeah. I'm not very good at doing nothing. In fact, yeah, I'm always trying to, I don't know. It's just, I'm always sort of constantly active, though I probably will have a snooze later on

today before the premiere. Power nap, yeah, definitely. But it's great. I love it. It keeps me going. Well, we named checked Indiana Jones earlier today. I've got this Indiana Jones fedora here with a bunch of random questions. you're not obligated to answer all of them

because that would take five hours. There are a lot. But answer a few. Did you write them all or? The good ones I did. We'll save the good ones I do. Okay, we're going to write the bottom here. That's a nice fedora.

Okay. There we go. That's a very short. Favorite that they missed off the E. Someone's added it in. Favorite childhood TV show? Favorite childhood TV show? Oh.

Actually, there was a British show which no one will know. It's cartoon all about Excalibur. A legend. Legends of Prince Valiant, actually. I was kind of obsessed with it. No one was ever heard of it. And it was cartoon all about Prince Valiant and Excalibur and Arthur.

And I've always been kind of obsessed by that. In fact, someone should do a movie. Oh, no, they just have. They did. Guy Ritchie just did something right. I was going to say, that's a surprisingly tough nut to crack for Hollywood. Like they've never really, like they've tried. They did the Richard Gere, Sean Connery one that didn't cool.

Yeah. The best was definitely. that Patrick Stewart well the excalibur that was John Gorman which is a just it's just crazy that's one of those films like I don't know what you what age you saw it but I saw it like probably a few years too young

and it was like it was a crazy movie it was intense yeah right I think I saw it and I must have been around 10 maybe younger and it was on one Christmas and yeah and it's like every great British actor is basically in it that like some of them before they did anything and Brian Blessed obviously just shouting

his way through it which in fact every film that he's done is just terrific made better by Blessed shouting. Blessed shouting. Blessed shouting, exactly. Flash Gordon being one of them. Oh, my Flash Gordon. You would be a good Flash Gordon.

Well, you heard it here first. That's why they should remake. Actually, it was a remake, and I was up for it. A long time ago. I can't remember when, but yeah. I'll come around sooner or later again. I'll sure it will. Yeah.

The best sitcom of all time is Friends. Fraser's up there as well. Brazier is pretty much. Friends in the UK, you know, it was on. all the times on Channel 4 and I think everyone in the UK kind of grows up with them and nice yeah it's kind of our idea of what what American

or America is yeah and we all like wander around going where's that coffee shop Central perk yeah choose your own end find the question that you like oh yeah I get to yeah wherever you you know wherever you feel the natural ending is I'm putting the onus on you Sam okay I think this might be the last one

okay let's see it have I ever been arrested nice No. No, I haven't. I'm probably a bit of a do-gooder to be honest. I've made a citizen's arrest. I think it's been talked about before. But yeah. But no, I actually haven't disappointed in myself. Maybe I should. Every actor should have, you know, these sort of interesting side. You're not in your dark period yet? I think it was going to come. I think where I'm on the edge. How old manifest? What are you going to do? It's not going to be anything really bad. It's going to be like, people. peeing in a corner in public or something. That's not so bad. Just something a little...

I think it's going to come. It's going to come. Okay. Keep an eye out. Sam is looking for a crime to commit. Exactly. Yeah. Don't tell him my PD.

Enjoy your week here. We're all excited for Alander returning. And it's always good to see you. Thanks for stopping today. Thank you so much. Thanks, buddy. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show.

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