Happy Sad Confused - Sam Heughan, Vol. VI

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

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scene was with me and Katrina and it was a very emotional scene and there were a lot of people that came to watch. I think all the crew came and there was like 300 people watching and it was a very long scene and at the end I think we both just were kind of messy crying and Meryl was worse. Prepare your ears humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. I'm Josh Horowitz and today on Happy Say I Confused. Sam Hewin is back, everybody. Welcome to another edition of the podcast. Usually we launch right into the main event before we go to my live conversation, Tate at the 90 Second Street Y with the one and only Sam Hewin. I want to remind folks of some cool things that Happy Say I Confused offers. I don't mention it enough, and I'm just going to say it. If you're not checking out

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Audio, video, whatever you like, as long as you're checking out, happy, sat confused. I love you. Stick with us. This was recorded at the 90 Second Street Y. This is really probably maybe now our most frequent guest. He is always a delight.

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I know. You want to see Sam Hewain. Please enjoy this amazing chat with the one and only Sam Hewain recorded at the 92nd Street Y in New York City. Hi, hello, everybody. Welcome. I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy Second Fused. We're live at the 92nd Street Y guys with Sam Hewen. Here we are.

You know Sam Hewin, he's the king of men, he's the king of wet t-shirts, he's practically royalty on this podcast. I can't think of a better person to start off the new year at 92nd Streetwide for me than the guy that's going to come on stage in just a second. So thank you guys so much for coming out tonight. I want to just say since this is my first live event of the new year, I want to send all the love out there to the folks on the West Coast. We're thinking of you what horrible time it is. rooting for, you know, speedy recovery for everybody. But yeah, I just wanted to put that out there. As for tonight, we're going to let Lucan have some fun

with one of our favorite guests on HappySec and Fuse. He's got a lot going on. We are seeing the end of season seven of Outlander momentarily. We're seeing the beginning of the couple next door momentarily. This audience in New York just saw the first episode. Did you like guys? They like. Give a warm New York City welcome, a warm 92nd Street Y welcome to the one and only Mr. Sam, Hugh and everybody.

This guy. Hi, New York. How are you? Oh, my God. So nice to be back at 92 Y. I mean, you guys, this is like coming home, right? You have been here quite a bit, almost as much as I have. Welcome back, Sam. This is, I asked them to get new furniture, but they, yeah, it was a... It's cozy. Here, I just want to say as well, we are sending our love to everyone on the West Coast. It's been kind of crazy, but we hope everyone has a speedy recovery. Exactly.

Yeah, thank you for saying that. Welcome back. We were kind of, I know I speak for everybody here. We were kind of hoping the wet T-shirt will continue into the beginning. They said, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Firstly, he looks... good, doesn't he? Oh, stop it. Look, and we are kind of dressed

the same, look. Stop it. Look, look at it. Easy for you to say. It's really soft as well. Okay, don't... I think he's been taking tips. From the King of Men? From my stylist. Right.

Ever since we did that gym sketch years ago, I've had to up my game. Yeah, yeah. When I saw myself in gym shorts next to you, I was like, Changes need to be made immediately. You look great, buddy. Thank you, buddy. So good to see you.

Congratulations. A lot is going on. I did want to mention you have been here on 9 Second Streetwise on the stage here many times. Talk to me about growing up. Did you have a theater that was close to you? Like a childhood theater you went to that you recall having really sentimental attachment to. Oh, that's really kind of you to ask. And I have probably told the story a lot.

But yes, yes, I lived in rural Scotland and eventually as a teenager moved to the bright lights of Edinburgh, the capital city, which, has anyone been? They've all been, Josh. Why haven't you been? Must be nice, guys. Sounds great. And I was fascinated. I went to the theatre. I went to the Royal Lyceum theatre. and the first show I saw was a production of Merlin and it was all by King Arthur and I've always been kind of obsessed with that and I thought, I think I want to get involved in this world

so I applied for a job as a stage manager much like the amazing stage managers we have here I would have been rubbish if you need anyone do not employ me I firstly went to the Traverse Theatre which is where I actually made my debut as an actor many years later but I was so fascinating with watching the other actors on stage,

and I was carrying a bit of decking that I dropped it on a stage manager's hand, and he had to go to hospital and get stitches. Then I went to the Lyceum and worked as a stage hand, and I had to make cucumber sandwiches, because I was so useless, they were like, what can this kid do? He can cut cucumber, right?

And then I was told that I was cutting the cucumber too thick. So do not employ me, thank you. This makes sense. He was cutting cucumbers backstage. I was like, we're about, to go on stage and do an interview. You're like, no, let me cut these cucumbers. Just wait for the cocktail, Josh. Do you, okay, we've talked many times on many large stages in front of giant audiences.

Do you ever get nervous? You seem always very at ease in front of a crowd. Really, no, we, that's very kind of you to say, no, I just did Jimmy Fallon, which is fantastic, he's on tonight, you should watch, it was a lot of fun. I think it's, I don't know, I do get nervous, but when I say, see your charming little face, and I'm like, oh, it just makes me feel warm inside, actually. You mentioned, thank you for that. I can't say the feeling is reciprocated. You were, you make me nervous. You were at Fallon. Nervous or excited? Combination, all the feelings at once. Is it like a little tickle in your

stomach? At Fallon. Yes. Who else was on the show? Did you meet anybody over there? I did meet a very, very wonderful woman. Jalo wasn't there. Lupe, Jalo's mom, who is in the audience, I believe. I hope she is. Thank you so much, Lupe, if you're here, if you're not. She lied to me. Thank you, I got this wonderful present.

Yes, very, very lucky. So thank you, Lupe. Thank you, Lupe. Amazing. Thank you. Have you ever met her daughter? Jaila? No.

No. No. Not yet. One day. One day. All right. So this audience here in New York City has just seen the first episode of your new show. Congratulations, man.

You like it? Good. Thank you. Yeah. It's going to be on stars. The couple next door, six parts. When this one comes around, give us a sense. How does this one come around?

How's it presented to you? What gets you excited about? Oh, right, yes, yes. So Dries Vos is this genius Belgian director, who I worked with on a show called Suspect. Very lucky to do an episode of that, which is a highly successful show for Channel 4. This show aired, actually, I think last year, in the UK,

and it was their most streamed show ever, which is pretty cool. Yeah, it was awesome. And so then I got sent this, and it was very lucky because the show, fit it into between seasons of Outlander. I think it was six and seven, or maybe something like that.

And yeah, we're shooting in the Netherlands in Belgium, and honestly, just the character is so interesting. I think you think he's one thing. You know, he's sort of a bit toxic, alpha male. You make assumptions about all these characters. And I think every episode, your preconceptions are going to be slightly changed

and your allegiance to each character is going to be changed. And it gets quite dark. A lot of them have got a lot of secrets. And I just loved it. It was so fun. And this cast is so talented. I mean, Eleanor Thomason is just, she's brilliant. Any Poldock fans out there? Jess DeGau is just gorgeously brilliant.

Alfred Enoch, of course, is amazing. We got on so well, and we had so much fun with the crew as well. Did you, had you worked with any of them before? Were these all newbies for you? Had I? No, no, all newbies. So do you vet folks? Do they vet you? Like, what happens when you're, because this is kind of a forehander?

I mean, it's an ensemble, but these four characters, they need to work. The guys need to kind of gel. They do. So do you ask friends of friends, like, hey, have you worked with this person? Eleanor is Ginger, so I liked her. Right. Okay.

That's your only criteria. You know, it's funny, actually. So firstly, I did a sort of chemistry test, one of those awful things they make you do on Zoom these days, which is just like the worst way to see if anyone has chemistry, because you're going, what? And you're speaking over each other. Jess was just brilliant.

She played the character in three different accents. She just did all the direction. She kept changing it up, and I was like, she's amazing. She's such a talent. Eleanor, I knew of friends of friends, and we realized we are the same person, only a different sex. And we got on so well.

And Alfred is just such a gentleman, highly intelligent, brilliant, fun, really relaxed, and instantly we knew, especially with Dries, this crazy genius, that it was going to be a lot of fun to make. I mean, hopefully, I mean, you're big time Sam Hewin now. You don't have to audition all that much, but when you do, do you prefer a Zoom audition or an in-person one at this point? Oh, my God.

Josh, I'm unemployed now. That's why I'm here. Give me a job. Stage crew, if you need anyone, I'm... cucumber sandwiches. Hucumber sandwiches. I'm unemployed, so I have no idea. I'm very lucky, you know, I get offered some stuff.

My managers here, he shakes his head, and I say, okay, we'll not do that. So, yeah, I don't know. Are you a good neighbor? This is a show about two couples, two sets of neighbors. No, I'm terrible. I'm terrible. Wait, the music loud. I'm the one.

What? Yeah. I'm like peeking through the curtains. What's going on over there? That's definitely, I've definitely got a drug. dealer near my house. Would you, would you help a neighbor? Would you help me with a move?

If I, if, I'm saying, hey, Sam, I'm moving tomorrow. No, I wouldn't answer my phone or whatever the doorbell is. I'm like, no, I'm not. No, I just realized this. I was doing press the other day. I'm like, I now live in suburbia. So I

actually am one of these people. Which is kind of weird. So, yeah. Are you a good neighbor? I try not to talk to anybody at all. I'm a New Yorker through and through that way. Yeah, right, it's great. I don't know my neighbors. I've lived in the same place for about five, six years.

I don't know, I couldn't name one person I live here. But that's what's interesting about this show. It's like you're, we're kind of all separated, especially in suburbia, and we were like kind of interested, and we're all like, what is going on behind that door? And these people are all very like, you know, on the outside. It's a beautiful life and a beautiful family, but what's really happening, Josh? What's really happening in your house?

I want to know. You've never invited me. No, we need boundaries. There are so few boundaries left between us. If you don't invite me, I'm just going to turn up. Gosh. Where do you stand? Yeah, we could get, we could not to. Hello.

Pretend we're not here. There's a light on. We could get massages together. Like you and your buddy. What? I don't want to read. Rune anything coming up in the show, but there's a scene where you and your co-star get, they get massages together. Yeah, I made it weird. You're like barging into my apartment.

Yeah, but that's a TV show. If we ever get a massage. I mean, we've done pretty much everything else. Where do you stand on couples' vacations? You and a partner, me and my wife, we all go together for a nice couple's vacation. I mean, are you inviting me? Where are we going? Where should we go? Nepal. What a segue. Okay, we'll come back to a couple next door. But since you brought that up, let's talk about Nepal.

Let's, yeah. Oh, my God, this is like the journey of a lifetime. Thank you. Oh, thank you, thank you. You guys know, Sam, very recently took this trip. How long has this been in the planning? What happened? Give us a cook notes version. Yeah, okay. So, I mean, I guess I've always been, you know, really interested by Everest and just the romance of it.

I then was supposed to do a movie with Doug Lyman directing and Ewan McGregor. Kind of weird combination, right? And myself, all about George Mallory who possibly reached the summit in the 20s. And in that time, you know, he went up, you know, in tweeds and, you know, with champagne and caviar, which sounds like my kind of adventure.

And yeah, he quite possibly goes to the top. Anyway, this movie never happened due to scheduling and COVID. However, I met this amazing gentleman mountaineer called Jake Norton, who's just an incredible man. And we struck up a friendship, and he was like, why don't we just go to Everest ourselves and do it? And I thought it's a great way to finish Outlander, because we just finished Season 8 of Outlander.

I was like, I'm going to go do that to sort of end that chapter. And it was honestly just exceptional. Very briefly, we did a route that's never been done before. We flew to a small village called Chescam, and we went through the Hunkukola Valley for two weeks, camping and getting higher and higher until we got up to very high altitude, where we got up to about 20,000 feet, and then had to repel into the Kumbu Valley, several thousand feet of rappelling down like rock and ice, and then another four days to get to Everest Space Camp. So it was a real adventure, for sure. Leads to a question. I was going to ask, I asked for some questions from our happy second few of listeners.

Sabrina wanted to know, were you scared at any point during this latest adventure? It's honestly, I like an adventure, and I like hanging out with you, Josh, but sometimes, you know, sometimes I take off too much. And I have to admit, you know, two weeks of hiking and sleeping in a tent, and, you know, there's no bathrooms, there's no showers,

you're sleeping at night where your tent is freezing and when you get above this certain altitude you know you're throwing up you can't breathe you can't sleep you're having the weirdest dreams if you do sleep it was very very difficult and on the last day when we were very high on the Ampalza Pass I watched a couple of our porters go down on these ropes and I started crying because I was like

what if we lose someone and I'm laughing but I'm not laughing But I was like, it just, this is such a precarious situation. Anything could go wrong here. And actually, Jake went down the mountaineer, and he disappeared for about an hour and a half. And I was like, what is going on? And they were laying down new fixed lines. But yeah, there were many moments. I was like, what am I doing?

Where is Josh? What am I doing? I would have died as I was getting my boots on. I would have just, like, collapsed. I mean, even getting your boots on is such an effort. And I have to say, huge set out to all our porters who were incredible. These people, we were with the Rye tribe, who were kind of lesser known. Everyone hears of Sherpas, but that's actually a tribe.

So we had a main Sherpa who had been up Everest 18 times, and they just had amazing stories. But our Rye, who were the local porters, were just so hardworking and incredible. And we got invited to a wedding when we're in their village, which is just such an amazing experience. And then the whole village turned out, the whole school did this ceremony for us, which lasted about three hours. Because everyone in the village wanted to make a speech. And they're... Big Outlander fans.

Who knew? Yeah. Come to the herd of Outlander, and their English wasn't so great. But at one point, I did hear them introduce me, and they said, among other things, that I had four million followers on Instagram. I think that was for them, you know... The currency of the day. That's it. I reached fame at last.

Is this... Did you document this at all? Is this going to be something? I did think about it, and I'm still not sure. I mean, I thought about maybe a book or something, but honestly, I felt like I wanted to do it for myself. And, you know, I was tempted to text you occasionally, but honestly, there was no reception. We got, you know, for two weeks.

It was actually glorious. All right, so that sounds like an amazing. And the perfect thing, as you said, coming out of an epic 10 years of Outlander. Yeah. Amazing. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures. And see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute.

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Wait, what about Lyon? Choose from our world of destination. if you can. Air Canada. Nice travels. Just circling back to this new endeavor, a couple next door. You know, when you switch productions, like when you get on set of Outlander, you know the deal by now. You have the comfort of knowing everybody. Do you still, do you get butterflies when you start a new production with a new gang? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think it was such a short period of time for us. to prep. I literally think we had four days rehearsals. We got to Belgium and meeting these new actors

and I knew of the work they'd done. So of course you're like, God, can I do this? Can I act outside of Outlander because I've been doing it for so long? And then we were just welcomed by the crew there and things operate very differently out there. There were this tiny crew. I've come from Outlander where we have hundreds of crew and its vast workshops and dresses to maybe 20, 30 people, max. And they operate very differently. We didn't have trailers there at lunchtime and breakfast. You go

get your own breakfast and lunch and you sit with the crew and pretty much every week we had a party. They were just so welcoming and we just kind of all mucked in and it was just such an amazing experience. And also the way that Dries works is that he takes like one

take sometimes. And maybe he puts the camera behind your head and that's it. So it's the back of your head like, wait, Are you not getting any coverage of this? Whereas on Outland, do you know, it's such a big production. They'll shoot 30 takes of everyone's reaction. Playing a dad. Do children like you, Sam Hewin?

Children can't see much of your work. I mean, do you remind the child, like, I played Batman once, trust me? Do you know what? My first scene of the whole show was with, I think he's named Noel. And he's a partially deaf actor. And that was our first scene. And it's Danny's sort of trying to create a bond with his son who he's not very close with.

And we were in this bowling alley. And it was such a beautiful scene. And it's really hard because they're both trying to communicate, but they can't communicate. And they're trying to get close. Anyway, as soon as they we called rap, me and it no, and often we were like bowling. And we sent each other gifts.

And I got on really well. well with him. And the other kid who was playing our son as well. They were just such great kids. So, I guess they like me. You're a big kid. Maybe. Would you rather? I text Robbie a lot who's on Outlander. He's

Fergus and Marcelly's son. He texts me a lot because we bonded over Lego. Is Lego a big part of your life? I didn't realize that. It is. It is. I wonder if you could get a little Lego Josh. That would be cool.

It would be wonderful. Wait, so do you have so many questions? Oh, yeah. Is there Lego in your home? Yeah, quite a lot. How often do you Lego? Never. Is Lego a verb? I don't know.

To Lego. Lego. I've got a Lego Artu D2 that I started years ago, and it hasn't even come anywhere. I've been sent by fans, there's Artu here. I've been sent by fans, lots of Lego. It's been, yeah, it's something that I grew up with as a kid, in a probably weird kid that's on his own playing with little plastic figures talking to them, much like you did.

He doesn't need that, he's fine. What did you play as a kid? Yeah, there was some Lego. There was, yeah. Did you just talk to yourself in the mirror? Hello, interview yourself. He'd be big and strong one day, yeah. Hello, Mr. Harrison Ford.

What do you have to say? That kind of thing. Nice to meet you, kid. It's basically what I do still to practice. Yeah. Would you rather do a scene on a motorcycle or on a horse at this point in your career? That's a good question. I was asked that yesterday, actually, Josh, so you're behind the team.

But good question. No, thank you. Dang. I think I love motorbikes, and that's partly also a draw of the show for me. I was like, oh, my God, I get to ride a bunch of motorbikes. And Danny's motorbike is the bike that I always wanted. It's his BMW R90, and they got it for me. I'm like, yes.

And I went out on it, and I was like, I'm going to kill myself on this bike. It's terrifying, so I didn't love that. I think there's too much to think about on a motorbike. Normally when you're riding, you don't think so much, but when you're acting, you've got to talk and hit a mark and whatever. And on a horse, if you've got a horse like Sleepy or Jack, then you never need to think because they just do it for you. I mean, I would put this show in kind of like the box set of, like, you know,

The Big Little Lies, even White Lotus, like basically anything that Cole Kinman's done the last five years. He does like two of these a year. Right. Is that your bad? Like, do you watch those shows? Are there any of those, like, your favorites? Yeah, or True Detective.

Is that what you're saying? You know, things like that. Yeah. Like, like sexy adult drama. Yeah. Like stuff that, like, kind of like, yeah. Yeah, I do. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm basically following Nicole Kidman around. And I was asked if I identify with a bit. a baby man, no. Baby girl. And I had no idea what that was. I was in Nepal. I couldn't see it, but I will. You've been watching anything? Have you caught up with anything? It's been really, I've literally, I was in Nepal, and then I went to Switzerland.

But yes, I went to the cinema twice in the last two weeks. Okay. It's all wicked. Great, loved it. And I actually went to see the Lord of the Rings, the extended version. So unbranded. Wow. I know, sorry. I was like, it came on and I was like, yeah, I'm going to go see that. Of course. So was that your first wicked experience?

It was. It made me realize I really want to go see it on stage. So while I'm in New York, I'm 100,000. You'll take me. Thank you. I'll go. Yeah. Cool. Sing us a little defying gravity. We'd love to hear that beautiful voice. Yeah. We could do a duet. I could be, yeah, which one's Glinda, which one's Elphaba? Well. Glenda, right? hair flip. I need more hair to

do the thing. I kind of think that might be the next sketch. We're going to work on that. We're workshopping in front of all of you. I love that. It will surprise no one to know that there's a little sexy time in this show. Yeah, fair to say. Fair to see. We've come a long way in the way we approach these scenes.

I know you've talked about this with respect to Outlander. Take me all the way back in your career. Do you remember the first kind of intimate scenes you shot and what it was Oh, of the show. Yeah, just, uh, uh, yeah. Josh, now we're getting into it. All right. All right.

And just like how far we've come and how these kinds of scenes are depicted at the beginning of your career versus now. Yeah, I mean, 100%. I mean, actually going back earlier, Josh. No, my first ever job in the theater was about a young man who's sort of coming of age and there was a, an intimate scene. And we were, you know, really well looked after and and it was, you know, obviously terrifying to do, especially when your mum is sitting in the front row as close as these young ladies are. But yes, it was, um, jumping to Outlander, you know, it was a completely different industry 11 years ago. And, um, and I think Starr's itself, you know, had a different

ethos. And so yeah, we've come on a real journey. And I think Jamie and Claire have come on this incredible relationship that is developed over time. And going into, I guess, the couple next door, I'd met Vanessa Coffey, who was our intimacy coordinator. I'd met through my drama school, and I invited her to Outlander. And then she came with us to the couple next door. Because, I don't know, how does it work with four people? I mean, you tell me, it's complicated, right?

So, yeah. Logistical questions. It is. It is. But she also, you know, because we were in Belgium, as I said, and, you know, we're working with a small crew. And I guess also they had never really worked on scenes like that. So, yeah, it's just really helpful to have someone there to make everyone feel comfortable, to protect everyone and to also, like, explore, like, how do these actors interact? When you think back to shooting stuff early in Outlander, before there was an intimacy coordinator. Do you shake your head? like, oh my God, I can't believe we didn't know to do this in that way, that would have made everybody a little bit more comfortable. Yeah. We didn't know what we didn't know. Yeah, I mean, look, there's probably, you know, there's a rawness to the first scenes in Outlander.

But that's not just about the way it was shot. It's also just about the relationship. You know, when you start a relationship, there's a lot of lust, right? There's a lot of passion. And I'm not saying Jamie and Claire have either lost their passion or lust. if anything, it's got better. It's just, you know, as you get to learn and love someone, you understand them more and you accept them for who they are

and you love all of them. And I think, yeah, so there's hopefully a difference in those early scenes to the later ones. Of course there are. But yeah, did we know any better now? I mean, I do feel more experienced in those scenes for sure. What's the, besides Outlander, obviously, what's the sexiest movie or TV show of all time?

of all time. Besides Outlander, besides Star Trek the next generation, which obviously is number two. Or the Rays. Galactica. Yeah, exactly. Sexiest TV show. Either way. You can TV or film. However you want to do it.

I don't know. I'm not even saying this. I'm not saying it. You're saying it. No, what's yours? If I say one or two, will you say one or two? Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I came of age in the 90s when there were

one of like the basic instincts and all that. I was going to say basic instinct well, I watched it far too young. Sorry, Mom, but I did and it was fantastic. And weird how you watch those movies now and you're like, oh, it's kind of, you know, of a time.

Of a time. More recent years, something sexy. I mean, you're right, Nicole Kidman has done some really amazing stuff. And true little lies? Big little lies. That was super sexy with Skarsgaard, wasn't it? Yep. Really hot,

but terrifying as well. And I don't know. Any favorites out there? Of course, Outlander. And the couple next door. X-Files? Killingh. Killing hundred different answers.

Game of Thrones. Wow, okay. All right. One to grow on. Shooters. Lucifer. Lucifer. You opened this. Pandora's box by putting it to the audience. The bodyguard?

I didn't hear. But maybe you haven't seen Baby Girl yet. I haven't seen it. You should check that one out. Yeah, I will. That's one to talk about. Besides, feeling exposed in intimate scenes, I would imagine you probably feel pretty exposed dancing. In this series, you do dance.

Oh, yeah. On a beach, no less. Yeah. Is that a mortifying day on set? Is that can you wet loose with... I mean, you're an actor. This is part of the gig. I mean, so the scene is the two couples are, you know, they're really bonding and they decide to go to the beach. And I'm like, where's the beach in Yorkshire? And is it that warm?

Well, apparently the beach in Belgium really isn't that warm. It was freezing. So it was this freezing cold day and so windy that we had to move the whole scene from where we were going to film in on the beach with the sea behind us because the wind was blowing so hard. We had to shoot it in this small area. And literally, between takes, I mean, the girls and myself, we were literally shaking with cold. And, of course, the characters are supposed to be, like, you know, drinking tequila and having a good time.

And then they start playing sexy music. And you're going, I'm so cold right now. So self-aware. But I think it's a really amazing scene, because ultimately, I don't know, you know, Danny's, Danny's like, he's a bit free, and he loves a good time and he's probably high

and he's sold it and he loses himself a bit yeah he loses himself in the moment and I think that's really cool but oh my god yeah not my not my proudest moment well it's second

probably to another dance scene in your career that I happen to find do you remember a scene in a princess for Christmas where you danced shut all the exit doors do not leave Sam

We're about to show a clip from a princess Christmas of you dancing, and when I found this on the interweb, it was a special moment in my life. Josh, before you play this, just know what you are beginning here. Just realize that you have just crossed the boundary. And there will be revenge, but it will be served colds. Roll the clip. Here we go. Come on, loosen up. Yeah. Come on. I'm not really the funky type.

Well, don't worry, because I am. Jamnostic lessons of the YMCA. Yeah, uh, yeah, come on, let me. Just jiggle some out. Yeah, just chiggle some out. Yeah, just tickle some out. Come on. I know you were prince, but I think you've got some dance in there somewhere.

Yeah? real with it that's a little bubbly juice hit me his hair done nails with a freak out of two making a crowd move girl do what you do didn't drop it to the flow then touch your toes bring it back back back here she was a moh just chick with me right when she got me wrong now come on dance with me sure I can talk to you all night long but right now dance with me come on and dance hey dance dance just stop and dance

I want to dance, dance, too. Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that. Actually pretty good. Yeah, I know that felt like six hours. It was only a minute. A minute passed. But it was like interstellar. There was no sense of actual time.

Yes. I did go on for a while fond memories of that oh boy you really do you have anything to say look I mean it's funny isn't it

like there are a few movies out there that or things I've done in the past you know in your early career where you're like working as a jobbing actor or working in a bar

and then they're like hey do you want to do you want to be in this movie yes I will be in this movie and actually I loved that had a great time and that was in Transylvania

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Season 7, second part of the season, we are careening towards the finale. A lot happened in this last episode. Yeah. Resignation. Claire's not doing so great. Yeah. Reflect on those past episode as we go into the finale. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I said, these are my, this might be my favorite two episodes of a finale. I think they're really beautifully shot and so many amazing outlander moments in them, you know, from, wow, don't give it away too much. But, I mean, Jamie essentially going to lose Claire, right? For me as an actor, it was just, you know, so much to play, so much emotion. And Jamie's always so in control and knows what to do, and he just, like, begs everyone. He begs the people around him, he begs God. He's just distraught and does some weird shit. You know, writing in blood and Claire's blood.

It's just like, what, Diana? But actually, like, it's so powerful. These are huge outlander moments, and I think that's what makes the show so surprising and still so engaging, because you just don't expect it. So as everybody here knows, you have shot also the final mega season. We have a lot more to come, thankfully. Yeah. The last time I saw you, you'd shot the bulk of it, but I think you were going back for just like some pickups. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we had. We'd finish, but we're going back for like, I think, two weeks. So was it a bit anticlimactic? Like, was like your final final?

shot like an insert shot of your hand like was it like an emotional moment without revealing anything yeah say about the last moments of shooting out I mean look we're gonna we're we're we're not gone yet and we'll be back a lot I'm sure talking about it so but I mean in some ways it was kind of weird because I mean I think Richard and Sophie were wrapped out like three times they're like it's your final day on set yeah and everyone gives a round of applause and then they were back the next day and and we kind of were we had like this is the final day and everyone felt very emotional and then we came here we were doing press with you and then

and then we did go back and do another bunch but yes the final i mean look the whole last year actually was very emotional it was it was a very difficult one i don't know well i know why because we knew it was coming and some days it just felt like another day on set it was like oh this is what we do it's done for the last 11 years and then other days you're like oh my god this is the last time I will ever put on this garter or boot or whatever it is. So it was like, oh, this is the last time I'll be with this person. And there were a lot of goodbyes and the last day was, yeah, very emotional. Did you make a speech?

No, no. No, some people did. Yeah, I mean, it was, I'm not sure if I can I talk about the last scene? I can't talk about it. But anyway, there was just a moment with... The last scene was with me and Katrina. And it was a very emotional scene. And there were a lot of people that came to watch.

I think all the crew came. And there was like 300 people watching. And it was a very long scene. And at the end, I think we both just were kind of messy crying. And Meryl was worse. And yeah, it was... I don't know. It was...

It's such a hard thing to kind of put into... words, but yeah, the moment I have to say taking off Jamie's wig for the last time, that was kind of weird, yeah. I know you've talked about this a little bit, but Katrina did direct. We can say that, and that's exciting for her and exciting for everybody. I mean, that must have been a wonderful thing to see your friend and co-star just show off this new set of skills and something she's probably wanted to do for a while. What was it like to see her kind of, I don't know, own the set in that way, in a different way?

Yeah, I think those are the right words. She owned the set, and she really did. And she's been talking about it for a long time. I think she's very much wanted to be part of that and in that role. And I think that's Kuchina now telling you to hurry up. She's like, talk about me more, Josh. Yeah, no. And, yeah, and honestly, she worked so hard at it, and she just, she did.

She ruled the set. It was so lovely because she's obviously a great actress, and she knows the show Inside Out. So she just knew where to go, what to say, and where to point in the cameras, if it were to be basic about it. But she did. She gave great notes, and she made it feel very comfortable, very safe environment. And, yeah, she's such a beautiful human being. So it was easy to perform for her.

Yeah, and I hope she's happy with those apps. Is there a, as you look back at the 10 years, is there a scene, an episode? If you could just relive, like, do it again, whether you want to do it better in your head or just experience it again. Oh, wow. Is there one that jumps out? A day on set, a moment. There were so many, like, big moments that sort of stand out.

And it's really hard to pick one. I mean, going back to, for some reason, you know, season one and by the river and you're tearing my guts out, Claire. That was a big scene for us because we knew it so well because we both auditioned with it to, I mean, even recently being on the mountain, with actually Stephen Cree saying goodbye to him, you know. Like, there's all these moments that kind of will stand out, I think, through a test of time.

So I don't think I would like to redo them, but certainly there were just so many iconic moments for us as actors. And I wonder if they're the same for the audience. But yeah, there are so many great moments. Have you shared much time with this new cast of this new spin-off show? Is that going to be surreal to see this new carry-on-the-legacy? They're like everywhere. They've taken over. I mean, oh, Jesus. No, they're such a nice bunch. And I know there's some special things coming out for you guys to see, you know, cool stuff where we get to speak with them and they get to be less. And they honestly are the nicest people. Myself and Jamie Roy have met up a few times. We've hung out. You know, they're all just such nice people. I mean, they're literally hanging out with our reps from. Sassnax Spirits and going out to the pubs and they're in all the cafes in Glasgow and yeah like they're such a great bunch and honestly it's really cool I'm really excited because

it's so cool to see younger versions of people you're like oh my god that's Dougal he's got hair what the hell Gail would like to know after spending all these years working on outlander would you commit to another series that could possibly run multiple years like where's your head at that's a commitment you've just been a giant commitment over the last decade. Give me a job! No, honestly, yeah, I'm waiting to see something that really captures me, and I'm feeling ready for it.

I have some cool plans for things ahead, and there's some fun stuff coming. But yeah, I'm also open, anyone here? I'm open for work. But yeah, no, I'm waiting for the right thing to come along. Have you had, you must have had to turn things down just from the time commitment to Outlander over the years. Has that been, again, I wouldn't say a double-edged sword. It's been such a gift, obviously, but it's no joke the time commitment that Outlander has been in your life. Yeah, no, it's amazing how myself and my co-stars, you know, have managed to do other stuff because honestly, you know, Outlander, it was all consuming because not only, you know, you're working six months or even a year on some seasons, and then you would have maybe six months off.

but we have press. We have to deal with this. 60 more Josh interviews this year. Which honestly I would do every day. But yeah, so, you know, and then you're like, actually I also need to take time off or I need to refresh because it is quite grueling. So, yeah, it was kind of amazing that we have been able to fit things in.

But now we're in a position where, hey, we could do anything. Some future... Breaks into song. We could be here. Future jobs, this or that. Would you rather a Jurassic Park movie or a Mission Impossible movie? This, Jurassic Park. You want to run away from a dinosaur that you can do that?

Love it, yeah. Love Jurassic Park. I actually watched the first one again, yeah, recently, and it stands up. It's brilliant. Barbie 2 or Gladiator 3? Is there a world where they're both together? I could see you in both. R.B. Gladiator?

This is a credit to your ability. I could see you as a Ken. Ken in the arena. No. I know you're a Ridley Scott fan, so... I'm a huge Ridley Scott fan. Did anyone see The Gladiator, too? Yeah, I love that world.

I just, I guess I grew up with the first one, right? So, I'm so cool. But yeah, God, Bardi was so great. Yeah, what kind of Ken would you be? You'd be... Whiskey drinking, Ken. You'd be... Probably

Yeah I don't know resting Ken at the moment Yeah Yeah Wicked 2 or Moana 3 Do you Ken Sorry

Anyway that was a bit late I think I took that from the audience Sorry what was the question Wicked 2 or Moana 3 Now Wicked 2 It's live action Mawana you can just be in a booth Oh God I'd love to do

animated I would love to. I've auditioned over the years and I thought I was really good. And you never heard anything. Do you say that at the end of the audition? By the way, guys, I think I nailed that, just so you know. I did a Lego game. Right. And the only thing I remember is how to be electrocuted.

Right. You want to hear it? Yeah, please. I know how to do this with my mic. It's some practice, but it's getting there. I would like to thank you for that. That gift will now live forever. Slow it down, repeat it, do whatever you want with it.

You're welcome. That one's for free, guys. There's a special gift. Did you know while you were doing that what a bad idea it was or just now? No, it was... Just as I put the mic between my legs. And Marvel or DC. I've been waiting years for you to ask me to do that.

Marvel or DC? What do you want? Wow. They want you to do Marvel, but what do you want? Jury's out. They can both come calling. Let them fight for your services. They let them fight between skyscrapers. L.B. wants to know. You've mentioned the past theater, something you might pursue when Outlander ends? Here we are.

Outlander has ended. Theater? And I'm in a theater right now. This doesn't count. There may be a theater show in the words. Maybe. Yeah, thank you. I was going to ask that. Where? Where? Here?

At the 92. No. No, I can't say. But there may be. Okay. Okay. Or may not to be. We're going to get to some questions from the audience that they've sent in, but I think, look, the booze empire continues. You got a book coming. Yes.

Can we bring out some alcohol, courtesy of Sassanak Spirits? Oh, yeah. Oh, look at this. Lovely. Yay. That gorgeous bottle. Thank you. Oh, here we go. Okay, so for context, you have a book coming out later this year. So the book is coming out, Sam, called...

My Cocktail Diaries, and it's recounting all of the amazing travels I've had and the amazing producers I've met, great bartenders from around the world. We've got bartenders from the top 50 bars in the world in New York and London. Yes, so they've supplied cocktails, and the book is out for pre-order. So if you know cocktails, you don't, and there's simple cocktails for people like you, George, or elaborate ones. So we're going to make a cocktail, George. I love a good cocktail.

Okay, what are our ingredients? We were going to make one each. Okay, okay. Shall we make one each or should we just get Josh to make one? What do you think? Let's just make Josh make one. I have got faith in you. Well, if you give me the proper instruction, I'm only as good as my instructor.

Josh, this is called the morning glory fizz. Okay, every good cocktail needs a good name. That's a good name. It does, it does. Because it's actually from the 1800s, and it's a drink that you're supposed to drink in the morning. And it needs a good head. No, that's the truth. The mics aren't working.

It's true. You'll find out what I mean in a minute. So, Josh, I want you to pick up the cocktail shaker here. Yes, this one. You can separate it. Yeah, you can separate it because it's in two parts here. Now, first of all, you can make this at home. Obviously, it's in the cocktail, The Diaries Book.

You need two ounces of your finest sassanak Scottish whiskey. So this little one here, it's two ounces. This is called a tumbler. No, it's not. Jager, sorry, this is a tumbler. You can put it in the smaller one. You're going to put in the small one. Oh, should I make one as well?

No, you can make it, okay. So two ounces of that. Two ounces, Josh. Come on, don't be shy. That's not too. Okay, that's four. But you can put that one in there. We'll both make one.

We'll both make one. Oh, yeah. Okay, we're making two people. Oh, I see. Okay, that's fine. Yep, right? Fine. Yes. So we're going to double everything. So I need a whole ounce of lime juice. So that's like the little one. The little one? The little one, yeah, there you go. Talk amongst yourselves. Very simple. It's all on the cocktail book. So an ounce of that, Josh. People are waiting in the bar. These are short pause, but never mind. An ounce of lemon juice.

Yes, they're doing very good. Freshly squeezed, your mother's lemons. If she has lemons, I don't know. We're going to do an ounce, it's very simple. An ounce of simple syrup, simple because it's easy to make. Basically, sugar and water, equal parts. Put in the microwave blast it. It's fine here.

There you go. Right? This is absinth. Oh, yeah. called the Green Ferry. It was actually a Swiss drink. Oh, it's a drop, a dropper, so you've got to untwist it. Twist it, yeah, that's it.

And just be generous. Give us six of those. Go on. One, two, three, four, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there you have it, my friend. Now, are you going to, thank you. We're going to put some egg white in here. Oh, I can't do that.

Yes, you can. So we're going to have to put two in there, Josh. So I'll let you put it in here. You can do this. Do you want me to hold it? There we go. Okay, you're going to crack it in there. No, in there, in that one.

But not the egg. Not the yolk, not the yolk. Just the egg white. You've done this before. You can do it. Yep, that's it. Yes. And poured in between the two.

Yes. Yes, a round of applause, everybody. There you go. Yeah. there you go I need another one okay what are the odds that he gets some you oh god oh god it's gone in there oh gone we got it we got it we got it we got it we got it no we're good we got this that's fine that's fine that's fine there we go there we go Now, we're going to put four ice cubes in here, maybe three.

All right, there you go. You have nowhere to be, right? You're good. I want you to put that on top, give it a little slam, but be careful because it's very full. Now, just shake that, Josh. Hold both ends. You don't want it to... Shake it. Shake it, Josh.

Shake it, shake it, shake it. Like in the film was sore. So I want you to, it's normally about 20 seconds, so maybe you could count him down. 20, 19, 18, 17. Come on, Josh. Shake it like you, mean it. It's totally shaking. Five, seven, nine, eight, seven, seven, seven, five, four, three.

Two, two and a half, two, two, how are you guys, by the way? Are you going anywhere any other to keep shaking, Josh. Hey, anyone, go anywhere nice to me? Okay, all right, yeah, I'll let you do it. Okay, you did very well there. Okay, you need to, yeah, that's good. Yeah, you're doing well. Yeah, beautiful.

Round of applause, beautiful. I want you to strain this into your glass. I'm going to hold this up, so you guys can see it. Strain it. Take your grubby hands off of it. Let the people see it. This is doing, you're doing very, well, it's actually two, yeah, we're going to do, yeah, go on to, yeah, do that and then we'll do that one. You're very good at this, Josh.

We could take this on the road. Oh, let's pull that one in there. There you go, that one's in there. No, we'll just do one beautiful, beautiful one. And then, now, I want you to get some soda water. This is very simple. Open that. And then we're going to pour this down.

Oh, no, we're going to pull that in there. Into the used... How much as you like? Yeah, go on. Keep going, keep going, going. I'll do... I'll give it a little stir. This is delicious, I promise.

I have. I have. I have. Just not with an imbecile. Okay. Now, you can pour that into here and watch him get. The Morning Glory Head. Come on, Josh. Pour it in there.

Look at it. look at that I don't know if you can see this look at that that is beautiful and then you're supposed to drink it for your morning drink so there you go cheers I'll tell you what I might give you a little spray as well here there's some absence spray because this all well done Josh really good, actually. Well done, mate. Besides, the egg yolk on my hands, it's delicious.

He's done very well. It's delicious. Well done, Sam. Well done, mate. Wow, there you go. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. It wasn't that hard in rehearsal, but... It'll be easier for you with your book. Don't worry. Sam will come over to your place after you order the book.

He'll teach you how to do it. Yeah, it's a good one. I mean, it's from the 1800s. And there are a lot of cocktails in there as well that are classic cocktails which are from, you know, some of the oldest cocktail books ever published. So lots of fun and lots of things to make. Love it. I'm pre-ordering mine because I know you won't send me one for free.

I'll send you some eggs as well. Perfect. Okay. You answered the happy, say, I confused profoundly random questions, so I had to give you a few new ones. Just for you, Sam. Do you have a favorite video game of all time? So as a teenager, and you probably don't heard about this, but I started playing

Red Alert in an internet cafe. We used to have these things called internet cafes, you wouldn't know what they are. And I made friends with these people. I started playing in competitions, and I won. And then I got a job in an internet cafe. So I was teaching people how to use internet. And I would sign...

That's the new book. How to Internet by Sam Hewin. That's the next one. So my general spear would be, this is Internet. It's like encyclopedia. You sign up to Hot Mail. You can get an email address. If you Google, you can Google.

And then I go play Quake. And I play Quake quite a lot. But these are kind of retro games, yeah. But I did play them quite a lot. What's the most common complaint on a set from you? This is really... Coffee. Coffee?

More coffee? Where's my coffee? Yeah. Yeah, I just... It's a necessity, I think. And if there's not good coffee, I do, I do kind of... I can't think. Right.

That's Graham with getting hanged. you get coffee. Graham with lattes, me with Americanos, yeah. Silliest you've ever felt in On Edition. Oh, my God. Go to the Dark Place. What's the... A musical, Mamma Mia, audition.

I think I've told about it. I had a tash at the time because I was playing an old coward play with Will Young, and I had to sing the song, and I can't remember the song at the moment, but I was told I could transpose it down an octave because I couldn't sing that. because I couldn't sing that high. And I walked in and they said, no, you have to sing it. And it literally was not a good sound.

It was like... And finally, very apropos for our conversation earlier, what's your go-to dance move? Do you have a go-to? Yes. After a couple of these morning glories, are you first on the dance floor? Or last on the dance floor?

If you're at a wedding, if you're at a friend's part, I'll tell you, if I'm at Kaley, which is the Scottish traditional dance, I am first up and last down, because I am there all night, because I love them. And, but if it's modern kind of a club or something, I'm a little awkward because I just don't know the songs. We covered a lot of territory, my friend, today. We did. We did. Couple next door. You guys are going to spread the good word, right? Amazing new show on stars. obviously I don't need to tell you guys

the end of season 7 of Outlander coming check it out and of course don't worry we have lots to talk about because there's going to be a lot of episode season 8 coming at a TBD date unless you want to drop it right now he's not yeah I would lose my life not to mention a maker of delicious cocktails you made this and it's really delicious it's really good

it's really good you messed it up Sam Hewin the one and only the legend that is thank you my friend it's good to see buddy give it up one more time I'm guys, New York City. Sam Hewann, everybody. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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