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Episode Date: June 1, 2026

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The Vampire Lastat is in the house. This is a great conversation about this amazing. show, his fantastic career, and a rare deep dive with Sam talking all things, Vampire Listed. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, however you're enjoying it. I appreciate you guys. Before we get to Sam today, quick reminders, as always, check out our Patreon, patreon.com slash happy Sag Confused.

You get early access. You get bonus content. You get access to our live events. We've got some good ones coming up in June, including Matt Smith is coming. up. He's always a delight. He's going to be at the 90-second Street Y with me. We have another very, very, very big one coming up. A young lady who's never done the podcast before, and I cannot say who it is, but you will want to be there for that one. On Patreon, you'll get the first dibs on that and discount codes and all that kind of fun stuff. Okay, so main event today is Sam Reed. If you

have watched Interview with a Vampire, you know why I desperately wanted to have Sam on the show. He is so fantastic. He owns this role as Lestat. The new season, the third season, has a title change because they are now adapting. And Rice's classic book, The Vampire Lestat. And if you know that book, you know this is a different kind of Lestat. He is in rocker mode. And Sam more than delivers. He is performing throughout the season. I've seen six episodes. It's fantastic. As we tape this, he was about to perform live at the show's premiere in New York City. a man of many talents. And like I said, he really hasn't done many of these kind of long-form conversations. So this was a fun excuse to do a deep dive into his background, the near misses that came before interview with a vampire, his collaboration with all the folks at the show, including, of course, Jacob Anderson, Louis on the show. If you love the show, I think you're going to dig this conversation with Sam. So without any further ado, please enjoy me and Sam Reed. Sam, you're doing the podcast.

I am. ready? Yeah, I'm ready. It's good to see you, man. Yeah, you too. Great, good. I've been doing a lot of traveling. That's good. Yeah, it's been a minute since you wrapped, what, last October what was thought? We wrapped, when did we rap? Yeah, wrapped filming in October, but then I went to, I stayed around and did a lot of ADR first, because there's a lot of voice. So I stuck around, and then we went, went to, um, L.A. to finish the album. So, it's not something, it's not a sentence you usually say when you're doing the series. Then we have to finish the album. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, it was a crazy experience. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't really finish until

Christmas time. Amazing. Okay. So we're going to dig into all of it. Obviously, folks know your work and the new season, now dubbed the Vampire Lastat. Very appropriate that you're front and center with me today. We've talked before. We've never done the one-on-one thing. No, yeah. I've been wanting to do this for a while. I've been wanting to do this for a while. Yeah. And you don't, you know, I did my research. You don't do a ton of this kind of thing. No, no, I don't. Thank you for the the trust it is. Yeah. Are you one of these like annoyingly, like charismatic people that's also shy at the same time?

I mean, shy is like a strong, I say shy. I mean, I think also I'm just like, I don't like being the center of attention. Okay. I don't, I feel like I'm often the center of attention at work. But that's because that's like there's a, you know, a structure around it. But yeah, I get a bit sick of that talking about myself or, you know. Hopefully about 45 minutes is your cap. And then you can vomit or do it.

you need to do. Were you a shy kid? I was a very quiet kid. Yeah, I was a very, very, very, always very quiet. But, um, but I had like this other other side of me, which was like acting and like this big outlet and I was very really into that. So I'd be very quiet and shy. I'd be quiet. Yeah. Um, but not, but then, you know, very loud when I wanted to be. Yeah. So I get, you know, I guess that's the kind of thing is you can kind of balance it out. Um, where, you know, I probably do have a lot of like that feeling where, you know, I get exhausted by talking to multiple people. Right. For a long time.

So I sometimes need to just go home and like stare at a wall to like come down from that. No, I get. I mean, I tend to see you at these comicons, right? It's Andyo Comic-Con. I don't know about you. I mean, we're kind of like flip sides of the same coin, right? Like I'm moderating things. You're in the middle of the craziness.

I always am like so spent after that just like emotionally exhausted. It's like, because like, For me, I don't know, you know, for, I don't know about for you, but like, it's, it's kind of like 20% extra of me when I'm doing this, when I'm doing anything. And then I need to kind of like go back into the hole. I mean, the Comic-Con is its own, like, beast. I mean, it's insanity. It is kind of fun. I think I do really enjoy the Comic-Con.

I find them to be, like, such a wild vibe and, like, a really intense energy. But, yeah, you do need the time to come down. Yeah. Have you ever had anything akin to stage fright? I mean, you've obviously done theater, done a lot of TV and film, you're now a rock god, to stage fright ever kind of like, you? Yeah, yeah, I have stage fright, but I don't have like incapacitating stage fright. I think that stage fright is sort of normal.

But the thing is like doing live, I don't get stage fright when I'm filming. Like I'm actively like, I'm a bit disturbed if I feel nervous because, or at least if the characters feels nervous and I feel nervous and I'm like, okay, well, that's, that's kind of useful. But if you feel nervous, like when you're filming and that doesn't really relate to the scene that you're doing, it's like, why would this character feel nervous? It's a bit discombobulating. So I actively, like, don't, and I don't really know how I can avoid it. Mind over matter. Just like, I'm acting like I'm relaxed, so I'll be relaxed. Yeah, I mean, I was definitely in my first film. I remember being, like, terrified. And a couple of times,

I remember, like, filming things, you know, where I was like, working. with the director who I really admired and just being so terrified and that wasn't very valuable to me or the director as it turns out. But doing live things, yeah, there's like an element to which you don't really know how it's going to go, which is scary, but it's also you kind of feed off those nerves. Right. Yeah. So that, okay, that segues well into we've kind of hinted at this. So like this season is fantastic. I was telling you before. I've seen the first six episode. This is something that people have been very anxious, probably since interview with the vampire was greenlit as a series, hoping it would go there. It has gone there.

Yeah. I guess my first question is like when you signed on way back when, like I guess four or five years ago, was this talked about as eventually we'll hopefully get to. Yeah. Well, we were supposed to do this book season two. And then and they really just before we started like a couple weeks before we started shooting season one, Roland was like, we can't, we can't do it, like, you know, based on the budget and stuff, we're going to have to split it into. So, so, you know, it's like, okay, that's fine. So we'll split the season in two. And I thought it was much better for it because we got so much more, like, depth and all the stuff in Paris, like you've got to explore Armand in so much more detail. I thought it was a much better

decision. But yeah, we were always going to go down this route with La Start. And we was always, always going to, he was going to have, he was always going to be a music guy. I think early on Roland was more interested in him being more of a classical musician. Oh, interesting. But that did develop into a, you know, a rock star. Not, not right away, but, you know, maybe a year in. Yeah. So they obviously, when they were auditioning you, I mean, you had a background, you'd done musicals. There's no conversation about me singing or anything like that. Really? No, no. That's kind of a big leap then, like, oh, let's check the resume. He can. He can't, sing. To be honest, I think it's more about Daniel Hart than it was about me. I think it was

always going to be Daniel Hart was going to be, you know, writing these songs. And he, I remember in season one, he was like, can you send me a recording of you singing like on your, just on your phone? Can you just send me like anything? And I can't remember what I say. I sang some random song. But I was like trying to, to show him like my range and like where we could like sing. you know and then when I got to New Orleans like because I was going to do because of the scene where Lestart kills the opera singer like you know and I had to learn this opera song the first thing I did for this show was opera classes so they put me in opera classes so like I had always been singing so I don't think anyone be like he can't he really can't do it so

but it was never really a conversation I don't think they were expecting it to be this many songs yeah yeah so what was your what was your musical theater background growing up were you always doing musical theater were you seeing shows like what was your interests yeah musical theater i mean um or rock concerts or anything yeah i mean like i mean i loved going to festivals we had a festival in australia called big day out which was like the one that we went to as teenagers um and then yeah like you know i would i would go to a lot of music gigs all my friends and musicians in australia okay or growing up they were you know and so So I was always the actor, which was kind of like the lame creative choice where everyone was as like cool rock star and we're cool musicians with tattoos.

And I was like, no, I must preserve myself for the potential to be anything. So, yeah, I had a lot of experience with music. I'm like, you know, I've got my cousin is a musician. And yeah, there's been a lot of music around me. And I did start singing lessons when I was about 16. Okay. Just to add to the repertoire, like you want everything. I'm not really sure why I'm not really sure why I did that.

To be all fully honest with you. I think I liked singing and I thought maybe my mom thought it would be a good idea. I'm not really sure. And then when I went to drama school, we did a lot of musical theater. We did a lot of music. We did like lots of Sondheim projects and all of that kind of stuff. Got it. And then I never really touched it again until I did a girl from the North Country with Sheila,

who's our Akasha, which is amazing. Yeah, and that's when I did that. And then that was sort of like my big experience of singing for a year because it was like, we did that show for a year. That's intense. Yeah. So favorites in the musical, so you said you did some Sondheim back in school. I mean like.

One of my favorites? Yeah. Gosh. Um. Hmm. I mean, I don't know if I have that many favorite musicals. Like, do you go see a movie musical? Like, do you see, like, the Wicked's and the Mamma Beas?

I saw first, I saw first Wicked. Okay. I don't really, I don't really actively seek them out. I like the old musicals. I like the old Hollywood musicals, you know, like, like, Kiss Me Kate. Like, I love that one. I'm a sucker for, like, guys and dolls. Like, the old, like, Brando.

Yeah. Not a great singer, but still with Brando. I did. I did guys and dolls at drama school. Did you? You were obviously... No. No?

I was not Sky Madison. No. I was... You were Nathan? No, I was... You were not... Sit down, you're rocking the boat guy. You were not...

I was... I was Abernathy. I was Abernathy at my college play... In that college, in camp. There you go. So we basically have the same group. Yeah, there you go. Follow the fold.

Yeah, that was it. Follow the fold. And keep your strong arms, whatever the song is. That one, yeah, which I really milked every time I had came out. I was like, this is my song, and I really milked it, which I thought was a little bit inappropriate because I turned in this like a love song which sort of felt. It doesn't feel right. It didn't feel right, but I just went there because I thought this is the only song that I get in the show at the time. But yeah.

It'd be a strange one for Lestat to do, follow the fold. It has different meanings this time around. I feel like he could do anything if you wanted to. Yeah. We'll be right back with more Happy Say and Confused. One day you're negotiating with suppliers. The next, you're installing a shelf in the back room. Running a business means moving in many directions all the time.

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You're singing in this character that you know and love and have, like, embraced. There's the physicality. There's the actual singing. I don't know. Where do you begin? What's like the starting point? It's a good question. And that's where I thought as well.

I was like, how do you begin this? Like, what's he supposed to sound like? And Daniel sent me up with Matthew Santos, who continued to work. work throughout the whole show, who's the vocal coach, who's an incredible singer himself, a musician. And so Matthew started working with me very early on, sort of looks like running the songs and like we've, you know, because it's hard to, it's really hard to practice. I'm learning this, singing alone because it's very hard to find an actual private space. In fact, in Toronto, in the hotel I was staying at,

there were so many complaints because I was like belting in the hotel room Not about the quality of this thing just sheer volume And there was so many complaints But production hid it from me Right until I'd finish the last song

And I were like by the way Sam Everyone here hates you Everybody on the floor There's been constant complaints And we have just kind of like It's hysterical dampened out and blocked you from knowing that I was so mortified

Mortified mortified, but it hasn't, it has been really hard for me to, like, practice. I mean, I still practice at home, and even my neighbor the other day was like, you're getting so much better. I was like, you're padding the walls of your closet. It's so bad. This is so bad. This is so embarrassing.

So, anyway, it's great to be able to, like, practice with someone, and I'd go into a studio with him in L.A. But really, it was, like, trying to find, like, what does the start sound? Like, what does he sing like? And Daniel and Matthew was like, just sing like you do? you sing. I don't know how I even sing. Like how to do this. And it just evolved, I think, over time. It was really hard to find the context of the songs because I didn't know them at that time. So like I was just learning the songs and they all felt really crazy to me because I didn't

know what I was like, what is going on in this scene? But as the context came in, it started to make more sense. And it definitely just became an extension of him like doing a monologue or something. Yeah. So I crowdsourced because obviously you have a lot of fans. This show has a lot of fans. And some happy, say I confused listeners sent some questions. And this is from Azara who wanted to know to the rock star aspect changed the way you inhabited him physically this season. I mean, yes, I know, because like he's always like a performer in a way. So it kind of like felt more like less start because I was like, oh, cool. And I've always tried to like put that rock star kind of performer into him from the beginning. Um, but actually, I sort of like, no, I think, but probably more what happened is that I, I, it's like you got to do the Lestart performance. Yeah. And so then I got to like take it away because now, like I was like, you know, providing that bit that we kind of really needed to see about Lestart so that I could do less of that outside of the, right, the concerts. Yeah.

So it kind of did change the way I did him, but not necessarily on stage. Is it possible? I mean, like I said, it's possible for any character, like, to go too big in a character. But it's kind of one of, like, the luxuries of, like, was thought, is you can go pretty big. I'm always feeling like I've gone too big. Like, I'm always calling Roland, like, I'm like, hey, I'm a little bit worried about this scene. He was like, no, no. It's like, it makes sense for him.

I mean, I always give an option where it's much more pulled back. Like, I do. I do have shades. To future casting directors. I contain multitudes. And I always do. I mean, I was like, this is the extreme version. This is maybe the instinct.

And then this is the one pulled back. And Roland always goes for like the opera version, which is the nature of the material. Yeah. Yeah. He has taught me to like, you know, release and just give it away and just not question it. Is it, do you feel exposed when you're on a stage? You're like scantily dressed. You're in full rock star regalia.

I mean, look. nature of the show you've done intimate scenes. That stuff is very exposing too. Is it in a way more exposing as exposing to do like an intimate scene versus like singing in front of a crowd? Um, I don't know if like I do find it exposing. I mean I find, yeah, I don't know if I like exposing. Sometimes it can be like a lot because like you've got a lot of like strangers touching you and, you know, like there's that can be like a, you do sort of. just you do shut down right not in a in a traumatized way just in a way that you're like just do disassociate a little bit from the extremity of the situation yeah but I don't necessarily feel like exposed um you know because it's the it's the job I mean the absurdity of it is like you

do in like a sex scene or a nudity scene or like you're doing a concert and you're like you don't have any clothes on you're shooting it for like you know eight 10 minute takes and And they call cut and then I go and put on a shirt or like, what's the point? You all just saw everything. A card again and be like, in there. But that, it's in between the takes, I think, where it's like, when it's off, then it's to be like, well, this is unnecessary to like walk around. Right.

Yeah. Right. It's interesting because, like, obviously, and this is a good question that someone sent in that I wanted to get to because the nature of the show is so much about perspective and who's centered. L.B. says that, you know, it was not spent two seasons being filtered through other people's memories of him, now we're moving into Lestat's own perspective.

Did playing him change once you stopped asking how was Louis seeing him and started asking how does Lestat see himself? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it did change. Yeah. I mean, it did, I mean, mostly the biggest thing for me, and I know I've said this a couple of times, but it's true, it's the biggest thing for me is like, like during the first seasons, when it's real Lestat or like not a lot. not a dream version of Lestat because that dream character was it was totally different.

But when it was like, you know, Lestat as how he's seen as himself, I knew that he felt remorse, regret, shame, questioned himself, you know, felt like most of the normal breadth of kind of, you know, emotions that a human-like creature would feel. But I also knew that you would never see that. Right. So that was sort of difficult as like to do. It was like sort of like you'd be like, I know he's, I know he's blown up here, but I'm, but he's also feeling a bit embarrassed about that. Right. He's second guessing himself. So the difference between this season was that I knew that you were going to be able to see that.

Right. So, yeah, it was sort of, it was more like he does have a lot more doubt than. numb than you necessarily saw him before. So, yeah, it did change. Yeah. Talk to me a little bit about, I mean, we obviously always, the fans love seeing you and Jacob and that relationship is so key. And on and off screen, it's important to you.

You guys clearly became fast friends, and that relationship's been very important. Talk to me a little bit about, like, what it's like to be going on a journey like this, because this is a very unique kind of experience. It's been really crazy. Yeah, I mean, you've had a lot of experiences in your career, but nothing quite like this. No. He had gone through Game of Three. So he knew fandoms in that way, I guess.

Was that valuable? Has that continued to be valuable to kind of have a cohort to go on the journey with? Totally. Yeah, it's the best because you, you, you, you have so much to relate to and, like, little things that don't necessarily, like, mean anything to anybody else. Like, you have a shared, like a very intense shared experience with someone, which is, like, so valuable, like in anything in life. It's like so nice to be able to share something with someone so that we can, like we do, you know, talk about it all.

Yeah, it's been a weird, it's been a weird journey because, you know, it's hard to fathom sometimes. Because for us it's just like a job, like it's not just a job, it's a bit of a lifestyle now because it's like we're going on for so long. It is all consuming. But we just sort of go off and do our thing and, you know, like. we love making the show and then it has this whole other life that you sort of get glimpses into sometimes that are just sort of like, oh yeah, this is being seen by millions of people who are tattooing themselves and yeah, it can be very staggering, it can be very sort of shocking and, you know, like wonderful, but also like confusing. But the wild thing is it's sort of always

been set up in our show that, that, and in the books too, it's like set up that, that the that the construct of the media, be whatever it is, exists out in the real world as well. Yeah. And this season we like go into it in a more extreme sense, like the meta levels of the way that it kind of like balances. And so- The making of dark is fantastic.

Yeah, but even like, you know, because I mean like Malloy sort of says it in season one is talking about Claudia is like you put it out into the real world, you put Claudia out in the real world, and they'll make of her what they want, which is, you know, because it's such an incredible character written by Anne Rice. And then there she is in season three in a Halloween costume, like a little kids are dressing up as, I mean, Armand and Louis too, but you sort of like, and that's what it feels like a little bit. I mean, for me, though, sometimes seeing people get dressed up as us is just such a trip.

I love it so much. I love to see it. I just love it. How do you manage? I mean, I know enough from talking to you in the past that you maintain a bit of a bit of. a different distance. You're not on social media as far as I know. No. But you still like are aware clearly of what's going on. I mean, I mean, you try. I mean, like, look, I still like I'm tempted at times and look, you know, like it's, I'm human. It's impossible to be that, um, controlled. Uh, I'm pretty disciplined with it though. I'm pretty good at it. Like, that's enough. Like, you know, and also, like, I don't have accounts. So you're very limited like what you can see.

You're not working out there, are you? You're, no, I don't have, I don't have accounts. Like, at physical accounts. So like, Instagram, I can't see anything at all. all. Like Instagram, people will send me like in people get, I get sent stuff all the time. Sure. And like when you get sent a link to an Instagram page that you don't have an account to, you kind of get like this very stock standard page. And if you click it, it goes, please sign in. So I can't see that one. So Instagram, Twitter, like I see more of because it can, you can see more of that or X or whatever. But that's sort of insidious place that I don't. So yeah, I mean, I see, I see things.

But I think the benefit of like having some boundaries with it is Is that I like I still need to do my job like I don't want it to affect the work Yeah, you don't want it and and it really can because sometimes you see like takes that are just like Watch that that how did that become right a reality from this show? But that's I mean that's the point of it You know it can overwhelm some shows I mean I've done so much with like these like intense fandoms for all these shows. Like I've done so much with stranger things in recent years. And it's like,

and it's great in some ways. Like, fandoms are amazing, but like it can sometimes overtake the narrative of what the creators and the actors even want to write about. Yeah. I mean, I mean,

I'm grateful that Roland and Hannah don't really feel that pressure. In fact, actually, if anything, they do respond to it. They're very aware of, of it. And they,

you know, have writers rooms where they discuss it all and they talk about it. And they don't, they don't write in. like fan fiction they write in the concept or the universe in which the people who are watching it understand so you know like

there's like all of that stuff with the the Gen Z book you know bookstore clerks who kind of like have all of this and originally in the script that scene was much longer although those kids were they had a much larger

arc and they it was amazing like their dialogue was like completely incomprehensible because they're just talking about all of this really wild stuff. So they do, they do like weave it in and give reference to, to the audience, but they don't let it take over.

Yeah. Because I think really, people say they want to see something, and they really need to see something, or this really needs to happen. You don't, you don't really know what you need to see, what you want to see until you've seen it.

And then you're like, oh, wow, that's what I needed to see. So you kind of have to, like, when you're going on, and working on it, you do have to, like, hold on to that, that state of mind, like this might be confronting for somebody or like they might think they really want this character to go in this particular way but I think once they see what they've

done what choice they've made I think they'll be happy yeah since I since I wrong Jacob a couple years ago at Comic-Con and tried to have you talk smack about him let me make it up to him now give me 30 seconds on what makes Jacob a great actor a great screen partner oh well I mean I mean those that first season when we working together, his load of work was so overwhelming. Like, I mean, it was such an intense amount. I mean, it was intense for both of us in terms of just like the pressure and the extremity. And, you know, every time I would speak, it would be like a fucking two pages. I mean, I remember Alan Taylor, be like, oh, my God, just keep going. You keep going. But, um, but, um,

you know, Jacob, like, just had so much to do. And then those Dubai scenes were just gigantic and he was not only incredibly talented and able to like, you know, do all of the work, come to work incredibly prepared, like so prepared that it just, like, you wouldn't even know how much work he had. Right. But he also, like, generates a environment on set, which is incredibly inclusive and warm and friendly and everyone comes to work and has a good time. Yeah.

And, I mean, that's like one. of the best things that you can ask from, you know, scene partner and, you know, the leading actor. I mean, it's this kind of like to create that space on set that everyone feels welcome and everyone feels like they're able to try things out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a really, it's a really special skill that he has.

Is it true you guys had the screen test over Zoom initially? Everything. Crazy. I didn't meet a single soul from this show until I turned up to start working on it. I mean, screen tests generally suck anyway, like chemistry reads, even if you're in the same room. But I can only imagine, like, how do you sense chemistry over a computer screen? Yeah, and I don't really know if they did sense chemistry. Like, I mean, like a chemistry test a lot of the time is like, what are these two people look like next to each other?

You know, what does everybody think of this? Like, when they're incorporating the other actors into the conversation and people are talking, you know, I don't know if they're like, whoa, did you feel that? I don't really know if that's true. I think, you know, like a lot is said about Jacob and Mike chemistry, but actually the key to that chemistry is Roland Jones. Yeah? Because he is such, he's so fiercely protective over his material and who he casts. And, I mean, obviously we've had, we've had Ketro James as a casting director

and Avi Kaufman from the first season, but amazing casting directors. but the way that Roland like does background checks on everybody. Like he does a vibe check to make sure they fit in. So there's no dickheads anywhere. That's huge. Yeah, which is disturbing because you're like, is it me? Because that's what I usually say. Like if you don't know.

But if you don't know who it is, then it must be you. But no, but he really, he does such an amazing deep dive on everybody. Every single person who's working on the show to make sure that there's no one there. who would make things difficult. And that's like a big key to why Jacob and I got on so well is because, you know, like we're actually very similar people. Like we come from very different parts of the world and they have very different experiences.

Although we do have a lot of like mutual friends in England because I spent time there. But yeah, I think it was like also that we instantly became friends. Yeah. Like instantly. And I was like, wow, this is, I've just made a, I mean my 30s. And I've made a, like, a best friend.

This is a crazy thing to do. Because you don't really do that, you know. Yeah, the list is closed for me. It's over. I might let you know. It's not too late. Use us as an example that it's not too late to find new friends. You're my inspiration.

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that was kind of like where you really doubled down on this is. Obviously, you don't do that flippantly. Did you have kind of like a crop of actors? Like I did the math. It was like Sam Claflin? Was he there? It was the year above me. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So you had some contemporaries that were kind of at similar points in careers early on? Yeah. I mean, no, Sam. Sam sort of had a skyrocketing moment. I can't remember what he did first, but he was a year above me, but he was,

everyone sort of, I think he left to go and do. Was Hunger Games, the first week thing? Was it the Hunger Games that he went and left? I don't think he left to do the Hunger Games. It was a different thing. Anyway, but it was, he did a, he did a, it was like a ITV drama. Okay.

Where he played a guy over multiple years. I think Jim Broadbent, I mean, sorry, sorry, Sam, I don't know. I love Sam. He's a wonderful guy. Yeah, you've worked with him. Yeah, I have worked with him. Yeah, and he's been a good friend for many years. I haven't seen him in a long time. But, yeah, he was a year above. You always, people would leave school to go and do a job. But if you left, you weren't allowed back. Was, is Lambda one of those things where you can't take a professional job while you're in school? It's like Julia out here. Yes, they don't. They don't encourage it. Yeah, you have to finish school. They don't feel like you're ready. But I got a job while I was still at school. But I was on a student visa. And for me to progress onto like a working visa in the UK, I had to get my degree in professional acting. It's just like professional actor. Yeah.

And so they were, I mean, the stock standard protocol, they would have, they would have kicked me out of school, which is, you know, you would have been kicked out with a celebration if you chose to do it. They didn't really look very highly upon you going to do a film. Was this, was this anonymous? Was this role in America? Yeah, it's anonymous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they made me ask Roland Emmerich to give me a score, like a mark. So it could be part of my module.

What did you get from Roland? Well, I could never ask him to give me a score. So my agent and I just made up a fake score. And we were like, let's not give me full marks because that's embarrassing. So I was like, I think we actually gave me pretty like average, average marks. And were you, I think you alluded to this earlier. I mean, what was that first experience like being on set? it a little bit of a culture shock like with a camera and oh yeah i mean my first scene was with um

Vanessa redgrave oh my very first ever seen as a actor like being paid to be in oh no i did like one episode of television when i was a kid but um but uh yeah it was opposite Vanessa redgrave and and um and she came up to me just beforehand and the scene was like i burst like the earl of essex like bursts into the room and i can't remember he's annoyed about something and he like runs he'd like storms up to the queen and says something. I can't remember what it was. But she came and there was these amazing sets and we were shooting in Berlin

and it was just like, what the hell? And it was very overwhelming, the whole thing. And also at that time, and they've stopped doing it now, but that time, the way they would put makeup on you was with an airbrush. And so like that I'd be like, like, in the morning. And it would be like so thick

you'd have so much makeup on. And just, Everything felt very extreme. I had this weird wig on. And I was in this, like, amazing costume. I couldn't barely walk in it with all this of like armor, this like plastic armor and everything was. And Vanessa Red Craig came up to me.

She was like, I've heard this is your first day as an actor. And I was like, yeah, she's like, are you nervous? And I was like, yeah, yeah. Because you're Vanessa record. And she was like, I'm really nervous too. Which was so sweet. It was so lovely. Yeah.

And that actually did calm me down. And I, and I, you know, was so green that I was, like, storming in, but, like, full of, like, you know, storming in, storming in. That I kept walking past the camera, right, you know. And Roland was like, you know, Sam, you're doing great, but you keep walking past, you've got to stay in front of the camera, you're going to stay in the frame. He was like, but don't ever change your enthusiasm. You're so sweet. Keep it going. Yeah, this is great.

Your enthusiasm is great. of it like no to stay in the in shot yeah so when you look at like the 2010s you're working a bell's a big film for you 71 it's a great cast in there like are you also kind of like are there near misses i mean again you're a jobbing actor so many misses yeah so many or so many misses like is there one or two that jump out of like oh this is going to be the one that's going to change my career i'm in the top two or three and it feels like it almost happened um like what were you going up for i mean i mean oh you mean that i missed they didn't get?

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Let's really mind the psychology, the, the, uh. Yeah, I mean, I've, I've had a lot of projects collapse, like, to not go ahead, which I think was, like, quite brutal,

particularly this in my 20s. It was pretty hard because you'd commit to, like, you'd work so hard to get this. I mean, like, I remember I screen tested for Terminator, um,

and, uh, the guy Courtney got. Yes. For Alan Taylor, who directed the first episodes of interview with the vampire. It's a story. Um,

um, And that was, I mean, I think all my agents were really excited about it. I was a bit like, I don't know if this is my film. I don't really think this is right for me. Right. You know, and it wasn't, and that's fine. Yeah. So that one didn't feel like a life-changing experience.

But the ones that did kind of, because I mean, like, God, when I was in my 20s out of drama school and, like, jobbing and I'd be going for, you know, had a rule with my agents. I think it's very different now. There's not as much stuff getting made. But I rule with my agents, I would like do one, could only do one audition a day. Right. If you think back, I was like doing like five auditions a week, you'd just be like, and I was living in a, in a sharehouse with my friends from drama school and Harry Melling. He's like, you know, extraordinary actor. He's one of my best friends, you know, Simon Mann, Yonder, Laura Rossi. Harriet Kemsley, who's like turned into this amazing stand-up comedian. I think she's just like one, anyway. So one a day, because just you put so much into it, it was just like psychologically a lot to like really. It's too hard. It's too hard to learn all the lines.

Like people would give you like 10 pages and you have to go into do this. So, you know, you're just like, you would just drill at night. You'd just be learning lines going into auditions, learning lines going into auditions, learning lines going to audition. And it was like you'd be praying to just get the job so that you didn't have to audition for. Just to end this madness. Yeah, just for a patch, you know. And, you know, and then I had, I had like people love. casting judges like Susie Parris who like just cast me in all these like TV

jobs and that was like I was you know keeping me a light or kept paying my rent but it was when I booked like I book I around that time I think I got a it was Paradise Lost it was an Alex Pryor's film oh yes and I had this was around forever they kept trying to make it yes and and I was originally Australian filmmaker Alex Pryas yeah great film dark city one of my favorites all time amazing amazing and I was originally and I was testing and testing and testing for this over and over it. And then originally I was going to play Gabriel. And that's what I was testing, testing, testing.

And then Casey Affleck was cast as Gabriel. I was like, but we think you'd be really good Raphael. I was like, okay, is I going to try? No, I got cast as Raphael. And then, you know, like, I realized, oh, they want you to get into shape and I had to go to a personal trainer. And I started working with this personal trainer in London that was like, you know, I had like six weeks to like gain weight.

I'd be like eating steak and nuts for breakfast. I was like, it was a totally stressful experience. And flying out to Los Angeles is my first time in Los Angeles ever. They put me up in, they put me up in the Holiday Inn in Santa Monica. And I remember being like, whoa, this is such a weird experience. Like, anyway. And then, but then going on. over to the studios and making full 3D avatars of your face and sitting there like doing every

facial expression so they could do it. And then like two weeks before that was supposed to start, it got cancelled. Yeah. It was a big one. I remember that one. Yeah. And I. That teaches you a lesson. I mean, I guess. I mean, it was just, it was just one of those things where I was like, oh, and all of that is gone. And now you've got to go back and the lucky thing about. that was I was in Los Angeles anyway at that time. Right. And I had done a self-tape for Susanna Bea. Serena.

Yeah. And then my agent called and she was like, so Susanna Beer wants to meet you. By the way, Paradise Loss has collapsed. But Susanna Beer wants to meet you. Can you get on a plane? I mean, like, you know, in two days or something, I was like, whoa. Okay. So I had to buy a ticket to get on the plane, you know, like fly back to one because they're not going to fly you back.

I mean, there's a lot of, that's what people maybe don't know that, you know, particularly at those times you're really like working to pay for your life because it's so expensive. It's like crazy. And yeah, so then I ended up working with Bradley Cooper on Serena. And he told me a lot more about what went down on Paradise Lost, which I won't say. publicly but yeah um and then the other one that collapsed like that that was like very heartbreaking was i was in a steve mcqueen tv series called codes of conduct that um i was shooting a tv show in new orleans that um i probably shouldn't have done but i did it because i um loved um learn a show figure directed um the riot club and she had said hey can you come over and do this show and you know um

And so I went over and did that with her. And then I was, you know, auditioning for this Steve McQueen project, a TV series called Code of Conduct. And like, you know, again, like flying. That time they did fly me over to New York from New Orleans to screen test for him. And then, you know, got it and then signed this very similar to what I have now. This very long-standing contract, this complete thing. There's a lot more, yeah, there's a lot more.

It was a very intense small print contract, I have to say. It was a very extreme thing. But, and then moved to New York. We shot the pilot, got picked up, then moved to New York, like, shit my entire life from London over to New York. I was like, this is where I'm going to live now. I'm going to be shooting the show. And, you know, like, we had all these other kind of potential options that I could have

done some other films here and there. But I was like, no, I'm here. I'm doing this. Yeah, like, this is. This is everything. It was like, you know, the most exciting thing.

And then again, it just, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And that was, that one was hard, because that was very discombobulating that one.

Was there like, were you fitting a type, like we're casting directors envisioning you for a certain kind of a thing? Like, like, were you, because like that was also the time of like,

it was like, you know, there was that. There was like the romance fiction kind of things, like the outlanders of the world. Like, were you kind of going up for anything and everything? I was going for anything and everything.

And I think maybe that's probably been my problem is that I'm not very good at a bit to extinct to a single type. Like I like to try and be different things. I mean, I think in England, when I was living in England, I was really like posh guy. Like,

you know, I was really like, and then that might be, you know. That was a bit of riot club, right? Riot club. And I mean,

pretty much everything I did was this, in England was this sort of like RP or like period movie. In some capacity. And after a while, that that did become difficult. Yeah. Yeah, because it was sort of like, I don't feel, I can't do this all the time. And I don't feel like this character. And I did, and then, you know, after Code of Conduct,

because he was like a, he was like a New Jersey cop. So like I, and, you know, and I started working with a trainer for that. And I like had, I got up to like 90 kilos, which is crazy. I mean, I don't know you're going to kilos, but like season two. interview with a vampire was something crazy like 7 69 70 kilos I mean because we're like you know losing

losing weight to try and be season one I was a little bit heavier than that and then season three I'm much heavier than that obviously so it's not a healthy weight to be at all but but I had gained so much weight because I was like this thick New Jersey cop there was a boxer

and so I was trying and then I and then after that I got cast in the prime suspect reboot. So that was my time I was being in New Jersey Cop we're going to try and be this like East London and I was bad in that. I was really bad.

No, you were. No, I know I was. That's fine. It's okay. It's good to make mistakes. It's good to fail. But I was bad then. And I think in the middle of it were you like, I am bad in this now or was it in retrospect? You look back and you're like I think it was like I was playing something that I didn't really know. And I think that was a good

thing for me in England because you're a bit like, this is why. I mean, you kind of need to have, like, lived experience to play these kind of very specific. Right. And I don't have any lived experience of being like an East London detective, you know. How was 71? That's a good film. That's quite a cast.

I mean, Jack O'Connell, who's killing it, Eric Yogan. Yeah. It was amazing, actually, that experience. It was really tough for me. I think, again, won't mind me saying this. But I think, you know, at that film, he specifically thought my character should be alienated. I see. So you were actively out like on the from the cast? Yes, I was active. They were all told not to talk to me.

I was put in a different hotel. Um, I was kind of kept separate from everyone. Oh no. Yeah, it was so, it was a difficult experience. And I did try and I did try and my agent was rightfully social. She was like, I think this is going to be really cool and this is his process and I think you should just engage with it. And I, and I, and I did. And I went, yeah, I're going to go back and like, engage with it. And it's a fantastic movie. I mean, it's such a good movie. But the actual experience is, that can't be enjoyable.

Well, I think there was a lot of method actors on that film. Yes. And I'm not that. So I don't really need that process. I much more, like, rather be collaborative and fun. And, you know, so Sean Harris, who's also in Serena, you know, he and I got on really well. Yeah.

And I used to run into Sean all the time. And he's a fantastic actor. I mean, he's an insanely talented man. And a really. really, really lovely person. Yeah, really lovely person. But, and I was confused, because I was like, why aren't we getting on, you know, in this circumstance?

But people are more, you know, in their world. And so it wasn't a great experience, but I was also young. I was like very young. So I think now, if I were to approach it again, I probably would have been like, okay, let's do it. Like, I'm game. Like, let's play the game. Sure. At that time, I was a little bit like, you know,

Maybe a bit sensitive about it. Yeah, I get it. So where are you at right now? I mean, this is obviously this show is a time suck in the best possible way. This is a big commitment each season. Yeah. What are you doing proof, I think, back home? Doubt, yes.

Sorry, doubt, sorry, doubt, sorry. One word, great plays. John Patrick Chandley plays, confuse me. Yeah, yeah. Doubt, great, great play. So that's on the docket. What do you, I mean, experience-wise, what are you looking for right now? To do outside?

Yeah, just generally. Are you goal driven or is it the kind of part, the kind of filmmaker? I mostly just try and I want to do things that I want to see when I read it now. And like I'll pursue things that I want to read and I'm like, I want to see that. That's something I want to watch like I was. It is pretty hard to move on from the quality of materials. Except about really. Yeah, it's actually very hard.

Jacob and I talk about this all the time. you're sort of like, it's like you kind of get everything. And then it's also so exhausting. You know, like there was a couple of things that, you know, like I was meant to do a bunch of meetings at the start of this year, but I was so, I was so tired. Yeah. That, you know, I had to sit at my age and I was like, I can't, I can't do this.

I can't do this. Yeah, I don't know. I'm really open to anything. I don't really know. What do you? I think like this, the play was a good thing for me to do because I, I felt like I need, like, I learned so much last time I was on stage. I feel like I really, like, made me so much better. Yeah.

And, and I just became a lot freer. Yeah. And I thought, the start can, is a very free in character, but he's also very, like, like, he's in my body very deeply. Yeah. So sometimes it's good to, like, step out of that and, like, you know. try and make some new pathways in there so I don't end up like having like weird list art ticks and right what do you what do you watch for fun do you watch a lot of TV or film yeah we watch a lot of tv at home um like I've just been watching margot's got money troubles yeah yeah yeah money problems

yes um which we totally loved um but I actually watch a lot of documentaries do yeah what's it's a true crime nature a little bit of everything yeah i watch i i um the one that i watch most recently um was the um the mistress dispeller the mistress dispeller that's the name of the actual doc yeah okay and um it's this woman whose job is to if there's a uh infidelity in the couple she will get in there, find a way to kind of like ingratiate between in the couple, and then, and also ingratiate herself with the mistress, and find a way to de-escalate, separate the affair, and get the couple back together again. It must be really easy. That's an easy to ask.

It's, and the fact. that they manage to film this. Yeah. What they do is it's a little bit like this where they kind of, the cameras are sort of left like little flies on the wall. Right. And but they're beautiful shots. I mean, that's the crazy thing.

So there's just like these stunning shots. But there's a level of realism there that you just, that I just love to see. You know, sometimes I don't want to watch acting always. Sometimes I just want to be like, oh my God, this is the world. Yeah. This is reality. Not reality TV. I hate that.

But like that. So, yeah, that's the kind of stuff I'm seeking out. So it took a really long time to get to that. No, no, it's great. We got there. We got there. Speaking of landing the point, we always end happy, sick, and fuse with profoundly random questions.

Great. You ready for this? Yeah. Dogs are cats? Dogs. You have one? I do. Tell me about it.

I have a dog called Ronnie. And she's the entire center of our world. I mean, you know. My dog is the center of my. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's really hard because I travel so much.

So the logistics around the amount of traveling that I do, and we do that kind of like means that we can't always be with her, is like, that's how my entire year is scheduled and life is scheduled. And I mean, like, you know, like we now have, my cousin now like moves into the house and like he's now almost nearly entirely living with us, you know. And, you know, I just got sent a video. He's just taken her to the beach. And, you know, she's living a good life. A very, very good life. But if I don't know that she is, then I'm, you know. No, we organize our vacations around our dog.

We do, like, road trips now as opposed to, like, fine. Why would you want to have a holiday without your dog? Exactly. Yeah, that's why I barely want to leave Australia. Right. What do you collect, if anything? I collect like handles

like brass handles and because I have this kind of like and taps and vintage sinks this is a new one I've not heard this before you just have sinks lying around the house I love architectural salvage

so I'm really into architectural salvage. So I've got, I'm like, it's like the things that I love to do and I go to a place. Like, they've got lots of stores in New York. There's one great one uptown. Um, good old things, which I'm always in. Um, well, I've said that. I probably, but anyway, but, um, uh, you know, like, and I love and I, but I love old stuff or like, you know, going to the markets and find, and so I have, like a shed full of old doors, old sinks, old things and that I never use. Yeah. I don't know what to do with you. You never know when you're going to need an extra.

sink just you well i guess my point i mean i we did this renovated our house and like it's all got old sinks and old baths in it that have all been reenameled and cleaned up all the taps are mostly old some some old taps actually don't work out so well right um but i love yeah i love old things i love it yeah do you have a favorite video game of all time um probably golden night yeah yeah that was that was the classic for me yeah uh yeah uh the dakota johnson memorial question she asked me this ask everybody would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one B in your butt a mouthful of Bs or one B in your butt? Fuck I know she's diabolical that way this is the longest you paused the entire

conversation just trying to imagine I imagine you're going down both roads yeah um like I reckon one B in the butt is going to be the best option of the the two terrible options I think scientifically that is the way to go yeah yeah yeah yeah uh what's the wallpaper on your phone? My dog. Yeah. My dog looking like an angel. Of course. Yes. course. Can we can we see the dog? Is that okay? I hope it is. I can't talk about the dog. You can't imagine there it is. What was the name again? This is like this is my this is a insight into my life. And there's also Roland Jones. Rolling Jones set three messages from Roland Jones. Where are you? Yeah, that's my pages is my dog. Love that. Yeah. So sweet.

last actor you were mistaken for um i don't know if i really get mistaken um or recognize very often really yeah yeah um yeah i mean um i guess the last time that it was like a really extreme like no i'm i am not this person sure was dermot o'leary who's a british he's a british tv host Okay. Yeah. And it was like quite a thing. I was like, no, no, like I'm really, oh no. No.

The last person I was mistaken for was literally at the airport by all of these autograph hunters. And I felt terrible. I was like, I was like, Hayden Christensen. And they had all of these pictures of Han Christianson. They were like, hey, oh, I was like, and I was smashing on the car window, like pulling over. And I was like, oh, this is so embarrassing.

I was like, I'm not. Should I just want to think that? I was like, I'm not Hayden Christensen. And I was that felt so bad for Hayden Christensen. Like that was like, that was extraordinary. dream. Star Wars fans. Yeah.

That was horrendous. I mean, being mistaken for Anakin Skywalker. Yeah, yeah. It's nice. Nice. That's great. What's the worst noted director has ever given you? I can't use it if you don't do anything.

Sam, you have to do something. I can't use it if you don't do anything. Is that recent? Is that way back what? But it was many years ago, but it stuck with me. Yeah, I would imagine what. Yeah. And final.

in the spirit of happy second fused who's an actor always makes you happy you see them on screen you're in a better mood um gosh i've been saying this a lot recently but gary oldman he's actually like my my happy place um often when i when i and i did this a lot when i was doing 71 actually it was like it's when i found this moment is like when i'm going through a bit of a difficult patch um i watch interviews with gary oldman talking about when he was going through difficult times i'm obsessed yeah he's on the podcast a few times. Really? Oh wow. He is the best human being and the best actor of all time. No, I'm not surprised. Yeah. I, you know what? I just love, you know, and also him, him and Christopher Lee both, and that which are in both, you know, vampire people. Sure. But, um, which is, which is a coincidence on me, but, um, but,

um, but they both have these two more beautiful moments behind the scenes where they're just, like, so stressed out by the, how overwhelming this situation is in, in, um, Dracula, you know, And he's in that big suit. And they're behind the scenes. He's like, I just can't fucking move in this fucking thing. Francis. Yeah. He's like, I can't.

And Christopher Lee, like in walking up the stairs, um, trying to do it. Like, walk upstairs in, in Lord the Rings going like, I can't do it, Peter. I can't walk up these stairs smoothly. I just love it. Like, just be like, I totally understand this pain. Yeah. You have something to talk to Gary about when you meet.

Yeah. A movie that makes you sad. Um. gosh I mean I I'd cry at everything I watched Scarlett on the film

oh the anime on the plane and I just cried the whole way through that so that was that was the last thing that made me said I'm gonna I'm pretty like ready ready to the elevation also does that yeah they say that right

it's real yeah I think it's real and finally a food that makes you confused You don't get it? Why do people eat that? Oh, um, uh, anchovies. Like, I don't, like the, I just, I can't. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah.

I don't agree, but I, I, I, but it doesn't make me confused because I, like, I totally get it. Yeah. Like, I get it. Um, but I, I mean, I'm always disappointed by it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, congratulations on the new season, the Vampire Listot.

We haven't mentioned, we talked off camera, but as we tape this year, also about to kind of perform live in character, presumably. I mean, are you going to be in character? Yeah, it'll be so much easier when it's in character. Right. Because it will feel like a play, you know, for me it will. I mean, I don't know what it's good for people watching, but yeah. That's so cool.

Congratulations on the new season. I'm always obsessed with the show and the new season is absolutely fantastic. I'm so glad this finally happened. Yeah, thanks, Sam. Appreciate you. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcast. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely

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