Happy Sad Confused - Scarlett Johansson, Colin O’Donoghue

Episode Date: March 29, 2017

If it seems like Scarlett Johansson’s been kicking ass on screen non-stop in recent years, you’re right. A slew of appearances as Black Widow, a Luc Besson adventure in “Lucy”, and now the eagerly anticipated “Ghost in the Shell” (out this Friday) might make you forget the 32 year old started out an indie darling with films like “Ghost World” and “Lost in Translation.” This week she joins Josh on the podcast to reflect on her unusual career trajectory and also confess “mama’s tired”. So while yes, she’s shooting “Avengers: Infinity War”, don’t look for her to sign on for another ass kicking heroine immediately. Johansson talks to Josh about early days growing up in New York, how Woody Allen changed her career, and why she could have been known as Scarlett Schlamberg. Later in the show, Colin O’Donoghue visits “Happy Sad Confused” to chat about his much obsessed over show, “Once Upon a Time,” singing in an upcoming episode, and his new film, “Carrie Pilby”. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Terms apply. See Capital One.com slash bank for details. Capital One and A member FDIC. This week on Happy, Sad, Confused, Scarlett Johansson on being the biggest action star This Side of The Rock, and Colin O'Donohue on Once Upon a Time and a new film, Carrie Pilby.

I'm Josh Horowitz, reporting from our special office in Las Vegas, Nevada. This is crazy. We're, uh, hi guys, thanks for tuning into the podcast this week. Sammy and I are, as I said, we're in Vegas. Yeah, we're at the blackjack table right now. That's not true. We're in a hotel room.

We are shooting lots of fun interviews with folks that you can check out on MTV's YouTube page and MTV's Facebook page. You should check it out because we've been having a good time. Really good time. All of your best friends are here. All my best friends. So this thing called CinemaCon is happening right now as we tape this in Las Vegas where all the big movie stars come out to talk about their upcoming movies that are coming out in the next year. So, I mean, already we've seen...

Sort of like up fronts for movies. Yeah, yeah. So we just saw it. We just came from an interview with Mark Wahlberg and Milak Kunis and Jessica Chastain. Chastainiac herself. Yeah, so... Aaron Sorkin. Aaron Sorkin.

Yesterday, we talked to Spider-Man himself, Tom Holland. Yes. Baby driver, Ansel Elgort, Edgar Wright. John Ham. You guys, John Ham. Sammy was moved by Johnham. It was a moment. I don't know what.

we've done to deserve John Hamm. I really don't. He was so sweet. He was wonderful. He was everything you want him to be. He really was. And after we finished taping this intro, we're going to go back and hopefully reunite with Sammy's, maybe he's, next to Hugh Jackman. Next to Hugh Jackman, my number. He's, I don't want to even call him my number two because he's so high up on the list. Co-number one, Joined the Rock Johnson. Do you the Rock Jay? So anyway, That's what we're up to this week. As I said, you can check out fun interviews all over MTV's Facebook page and YouTube page.

As for this week's show, nothing to sneeze at either, some cool guests this week. Later on, we've got Colin O'Donohue, who is, of course, Captain Hook on Once Upon a Time. He is the second Once Upon a Time cast member after Jennifer Morrison to join me on the show. Yeah, and he has a new film called Carrie Pilby, this kind of coming-of-age independent flick that opens this Friday in select cinemas and also on VOD I think a few days after. So we'll talk about

Colin in a bit, but first up on the podcast this week, one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. Ever. Like ever. Like ever. In the history of the galaxy. In the history of cinema. Scarlett Johansson. So this is one of these shorties, shorties. This is my shorty Scarlet Jones. I'm not shorty, Scarlets.

But it is. It's a shorter interview. It's like a little catch up with her. But super fun to do. She has her new movie A Ghost in the Shell, which is out this Friday. Not Ghost of Rochelle, as I first thought it was called. What is wrong with you? Did you really thought it was Ghost of Rochelle? When I first heard about this movie.

As a new Rochelle? Like people were saying, oh, you know, she's Ghost of Rochelle. And I was like, oh, what's that? And then it came together for me. You're fired. I should be. Ghost of the Shell, as Sammy does not know, is a very famous anime. No, now I know.

Now I know. Okay, don't argue with me. It's a very famous anime, of course, that's been adapted into this ginormous big action movie that Scarlett Johansen is the star of, and it's really slick and cool and definitely worth seeing. I really enjoyed it. I frankly haven't seen the source material. I mean, I know of it, but it's striking in just sort of like the scope of it, and she kicks a lot of ass as only Scarlet. As she does.

Yeah. So this is a fun conversation. I mean, she's great. We talk about Scarlet is a New Yorker. she grew up in the city like myself. So we kind of like geek out about New Yorkie things. You get compared to her a lot, don't you? I'm the male Scarletters.

Yes, pretty much. She really hates it when I say that. I don't know why. We talk a bunch about this kind of like new part of her career in these action films. Her work in the upcoming Avengers Infinity War. Yeah, that little movie. Yeah, exactly. So we actually hit upon a lot in a relatively short time frame.

And she's delightful. So I'm very pleased to. to deliver this to you guys. Please enjoy this conversation. Scarlett Johansson, and on the other side, we'll hit you up with a little Colin O'Donohue action. It's good to see you as always. You too.

Happy Junkett Day. We're catching you. So if Scarlett's a little incoherent, I excuse it, because you've done how many four-minute interviews today? Oh, gosh. I don't even know. I mean, it's been, yeah, it's been a lot. It's been a lot.

What's the go-to? It's always, it's never like an easy question either. It's always some, like, esoteric. Well, you've got a heady film. You went ahead and made a heady film, you jerk. Yeah, I know, great. And now you're going to be punished four minutes in four minute increments for days. But I have to say, I get a lot of questions about my suit and how comfortable it was and how I get into it.

And I'm like, did guys get this question? Like, I don't really think you ever like look at Captain America and you're like, how much talcum powder is in your super. I do. I do. It's distracting, actually, for me. Just the clouds of it, that billow as he walks, yeah. Now you're going to talk to Chris about on the next The Vendors movie. That being said, I feel like, I was going to say, because you do, I feel like you have the most skin-tight outfits of any human being, any actor on the planet of the last 10 years of your films. Well, you know, I know, that's not true. I haven't, I haven't had my stint at the Cirque de Soleil yet,

but, yeah, I mean, they're definitely, yeah, it's a nude-colored, um, silicone super suit. It's going to be in fashion this year at Halloween. I actually might just be on the runway. I wouldn't put it past, you know, Kanye or anyone. Kanye could make it work. You probably would. Are you going forward to your potato sack costume coming soon? When am I wearing that when I play a...

Miss Potato Head? Is she wearing a sack? No, I don't think so. I think she's pretty well. No, she's good proportions, yeah, yeah. No, I'll be playing, I don't know, some kind of member, like a ground laying or something. I don't know who wears a potato sack.

Right. When they do, what was Wali? When Wally is done live action, remember that? I love that. Great. Good reference. So, okay, so you and I both grew up here in New York City, we're one of those freaks of nature that actually like, I feel like, I don't know about you, but when I talk to people and I say, like, I grew up in New York City, they look at me. They're like, there's children there. Exactly. Like, you're not like a rabid animal. You can actually form coherent sentences. You're not on meth. What's going on? Do you experience that? Do people look at you a little gassed?

Yeah, I guess so. I think people just can't wrap their head around. what it was like to grow up here and the fact that you could go to public school and take the train by yourself and, you know, I mean, I don't know any other existence. So for me to imagine like a suburban life, it's pretty strange. I mean, just to imagine like what, oh, you had like a football tea. You were a cheerleader. There were like thousands and thousands and thousands of people when you're graduating class. Like that to me is a whole other world. Did you have any culture shock? As a kid, I remember I like went to New Hampshire for like summer camp. And that was like, It was different.

It was intense. Like, we're swimming twice a day? What? Yeah, I mean, I remember going to summer camp when summer I went like upstate New York. And I just, I think it's just having like being, like thinking that people actually live amongst like greenery and have a lawn and maybe have their own pool or whatever. I'm just like those, you know, you could ride a bike to school. That was pretty weird. Like, you park your bike in the school yard?

What? Um, yeah, that, that's all seemed very outrageous. I felt like only like Archie did that. Yes. So how is it that? Okay, so like, again, we both grew up in the city. I'm sure we both were Woody Allen obsessed, stereotypical Jews in the city. Both of our dads are architects. Why do I have like a name that's like like a smear on a bagel with locks? And you sound like Icelandic, like royalty. Because my dad's Danish and your father is what? Larry Horowitz. There you go. For Brooklyn. I mean, you know, actually, me. My grandfather was a Schlamberg, but that was on my mom's sides. Oh, that's a hell of a name. I love that.

I don't know if Scarlet Schlamberg I could have gotten as far and just... In these days when, like, Alden-Earon Reich and all these crazy names, back in the day. I don't know. Scarlet Schlamberg, that's like, that's kind of... That's hard. Evans, Hemsworth, Schlamberg. I don't think so. I'd watch it.

I'm sure Marvel would be like, so about your last name. Right. So if we, okay, if we talked, and we probably did talk like 10 years ago, was, was the kind of transformation of your career, something that you kind of anticipated in terms of how many of your roles, as you well known in the last half a dozen years, have been very physical roles. You've like kind of reinvented as kind of like an action hero. You've got like two or three potential franchises going at this point. Was that something that was on a list? Was that something you planned for? Is that something you ever saw? Yes, it was part of my master plan.

Yes, of course. No, I, you know, the thing is I, somebody asked me the other day, like who my favorite female super heroine was growing up and like I struggled to think of one person. I was like Judy Garland, Lucille Ball. I don't know. I sounded like, you know. You were bored in the 1920s. Yes, of course. Yeah, of course. And, you know, I just didn't like, I never imagined that it could be possible, I guess, to make a career for myself in this genre. But I think, you know, for the past 10 years, I've been really curious about the kind of, you know, reaching, this far reaching kind of emotional expanse and being able to play in this environment that was sort of limitless. And a lot of these characters are limitless in one way or another. So it's just,

it's worked for me creatively, you know, and now I'm tired. And now she's lying on the ground in front of me. Getting into that potato sack. What um does it do something for your self-esteem to kind of like see yourself in these kind of like kick-ass roles where like I mean you can you literally have that moment in this film that like it's so it's as I was watching it I was thinking like I don't think I've ever seen like a woman have this like this moment where she's like pounding a guy into the ground and someone is like tearing her off of him you know what I mean yeah yeah there were some more punches thrown in that sequence but was like it was too violent I guess I was having one of those kind of days But, yeah, you know, it is empowering, I think, to see that the characters actually, that, you know, I put all of this work into emotionally and physically translate and work on screen. And when you see that, you know, the director and the cinematographer take as much care with the character as you do, like that, that is what is really, you know, I don't know necessarily empowering is the right word, but it's certainly, like, appreciated. Sure. What was, going back, can you pinpoint, like, what was. the phone call of your life on a professional level.

Like, was there one kind of, like, offer moment that you can pinpoint a one or two that really just jump out at you? I remember I was living at the Chateau Marmont of all places, but this was like a decade ago, which is a very Hollywood thing to say. But I was, like, in between, I was in that one of those transient moments in life, and that's what my reality was. And I remember, like, getting this call that, you know, just so you know, uh this is coming in like kind of hot but uh you know tonight or tomorrow whatever it was um

we're going to be you know Woody Allen is sending you this script that you have to sign for and like read in an hour or whatever and then the person you know the minion that came and delivered it or whatever will then like pick it back up from your sweaty palms and uh you know I was so it was actually for matchpoint and at the time um another actor had had had taken on that role and then fell out for I don't know personal reasons or whatever and so you know I was the second fiddle what I was so happy to be

and uh you know and I remember when the when the script came this beautiful hand type letter came with it and it was from Woody and it was said something like you know if you respond to the material great if not like you know we'll find something else to work on and you know like enjoy the read or whatever and it was just like signed Woody with his handwriting

and I just thought I think I this is it like I this is it this is next level. What was the Woody Allen film of your youth that rocked your world? Rocked my world. I guess I would probably say, you know, it's funny because most people

would probably say, oh, like Annie Hall or Manhattan or, you know, I don't know, husbands and wives, which I loved, or whatever. You're going to go comedy. You're going to go hard comedy, I feel like. Actually, everything you wanted to know about sex. That's what I'm saying. That's one of those, the farses.

I was, yeah, I mean, like, I, when you're a kid and you watch that movie, like, your mind is blown. You know what? And, yeah, we, that was a popular one in my household. Thanks, Mom, who showed that to me probably, like, way too young. That's how you learned how the birds and the bees. You know? I mean, who needed health class when you had William? Right, that in love and death.

I think that's peak, like, farce winning, right? Yeah, for sure, for sure. So, um, I saw you on some hoity tooty carpet recently, and we joked about Avengers and widow, et cetera. And then, of course, like, people like, I think you were joking to me at the time about, like, texting with Joss about a widow movie. And then, of course, everyone was like, oh, my God, they're going to happen.

Oh, it's going to happen. Oh, gosh. I thought somebody, like, swiftly, like, gave me the cane. No, I didn't see the cane come out. I did see a sniper or two. But did anything surprise you about this latest Avengers script when you finally got the chance to read it? Well, it's so, like, somebody said to me the other day,

they're like, is Black Widow ready for Guardians of the Galaxy? and I was like, well, the last time that, like, aliens descended upon New York and, like, took us over and then that, like, giant flying dragon thing, like, they all, like, came, like, birthed out of it, whatever was going on in that, I think my character was like, all right, I've seen it all, I'm good, like, so I don't even think, like, a talking tree will phase her at this point, but I, you know, certainly reading the script, it's just, like, the universe is expanded to a point where, like, it's just, like, it's sort of, um, yeah, Yeah, it's like incomprehensible at this point. I'm just like, okay, would it all get, this is all happening? Just trust in. Yeah. At this point, you're not like writing 50 questions. You know what I mean?

Like, I used to kind of go into work and I'd have these long meetings with Kevin Feigy and I'm like, this doesn't inform the character in this way and blah, blah, blah. And now I'm just like, you know what? I throw my hands up and surrender as long as it feels true to me. Then like this conversation with another character is fine. Even if it's a coffee tree, fine. It's all good. I'll roll with it.

It's okay. in all seriousness, I can't quite wrap my brain around the fact that the widow movie hasn't been announced yet. I know it's stupid to say that. But like, just knowing the popularity of the economics and all of it, why? I mean, in your mind, are you disappointed? Is there, what's going on? Where's your head out right now? I guess I just sort of always assume that if this was meant to be, it would be. And, you know, certainly when I was offered the ghosts in the shell, you know, I wasn't never expecting that I would be offered something, you know, another franchise, like in this genre, not that it's like, not that it's pretty much a one of a kind, but yes, it's a one

of a kind, but it's definitely like, you know, when you look at like the kind of overall grand scheme of things, you're like, you don't have this kind of opportunity so often, you know, and I remember my agent saying to me the time he's like, you realize that this is like a once and a lifetime opportunity, you know, and so it's sort of in some ways satisfied, I guess that part of my life. I, you know, this movie was so difficult. In so many ways that, like, obviously the Black Widow movie, in my mind, would be a very different kind of movie. It's a very, like, it's just, like, visceral in a different kind of way. And, you know, is, in some ways, you know, it's a different genre, obviously.

But it's, you know, I just, this, Ghost in the Shell took a, like, I took a piece of my soul. And, like, I don't, I don't know. So maybe if I told you right before Ghost in the Shell, you would have been like, yeah, let's do this next day. And now you're like, let's hold our roll. Yeah, I'm like, Mama's tired. If it happens great, if not, not the worst thing of the world. Yeah, I got this talking tree. Exactly.

I got this talking tree I got to converse with or whatever. Like, yeah, I'm, I'm good. I'm good. Is Lucy still out there too? Is that something that's potentially going to continue? I don't know. I don't know that that's, unless there was like some story, you know, unless it became like Terminator 2. And it was like just an epic sequel that was like, like, surpeller.

the first in, you know, creative ways, then that would be something that I'd be like, okay, I could, but I could wrap my head around that. But right now I'm like, I'm in the ether. Like, you know, I'm happy in the ether. It's a good place to be. Yeah. Do you still lose out on roles that you? Yeah, yeah, I do.

I do lose out on roles. Sure, yeah, of course. It's a humbling and important experience. Especially for self-hating shoes like ourselves. We need it. Is there any, are you at all interested? I know in the last go-around for Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. You were in the mix there, and there's talk of you.

your name, of course, comes up when there's a new director and they're kind of rebooting it. Would that intrigue or, again, Mama Need a Rest? Yeah, Mama Needs to Sleep. No, I don't know. I actually found out about that because somebody mentioned it to me. Like, never came through any professional. This new, this new thing you mean? Yeah.

This new thing. It never, never came through to me. It actually still hasn't been mentioned to me by anybody that I work with. But, you know, it's hard to imagine that, such a huge appeal of that project was, you know, the ability to collaborate with the picture, yeah, yeah. You know, and just even our creative conversations in the very early stages, you know, just in that audition process was really exciting. You know, I can't, I don't know.

Okay, fair enough. You can rest. He's getting the potato sack. It's okay. That's the title of the podcast. That's right. It's usually happy sack and stuff. Yeah, Scarlett and the Potatoes.

It's like a children's story. Oh, nice. It's good to see you. as always. Congratulations on the film. I really did enjoy it. It's super, I mean, it sounds like bizarre to say, but I feel like it's one of those films that, like, on the dorm room wall, they're going to have the poster, and they're going to be debating till, like, two in the morning, the nature of man. Hopefully, they'll be baked, too. Yeah, exactly. I always say, my friends are coming to see

the 3D premiere in a few days, and I'm like, make sure you, like, eat some pot before you go. I think that's how you're supposed to view it. Yeah. That's how you get the full ghost in the shell experience. Not in any Pixar film. Words of Wisdom from Scarlet. It's good to see us. Thank you. You too. You're listening to Happy, Sad, Confused. We'll be right back after this.

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The sexy Captain Hook. Okay. And I know a lot of Once fans probably listen to this podcast. As you may or may not know, full disclosure, my brother, Adam Horowitz, is one of the co-creators once upon a time. So I've gotten a chance to kind of know, I get to know these guys a lot over the years at various functions, Comic-Con, et cetera.

So whenever they're in town, which is not often, because they're often shooting in Vancouver, really, for nine or ten months of the year, I do take the opportunity to catch up with them. So this was fun to have Colin in. He, you know, is, there are very few shows. And again, I have a unique vantage point, I think, because of my brother and because of talking to these guys as much as I have, to see kind of the passion for the show.

It's very, very unique. And he talks about that as well as, you know, his path to getting on once. He's another, coming up in an upcoming week, we have Joe Mangonello talking about being almost being Superman. Colin O'Donohue was also almost Superman. So we talked a little bit about that as well. And his new film, Carrie Pilby, which is a really cool new coming-of-age flick

starring Bell Pauley, who you might have seen in Diary of a teenage girl, very talented young actress. So definitely support Colin, support independent filmmaking, and go check out Carrie Pilby. It's out this Friday, and then on VOD soon thereafter.

So without any further ado, signing off from Las Vegas, Sammy and I are going to go squander our respective fortunes on the blackjack tables. If you don't hear from us next week, we hit the jackpot and quit. Or we're in prison for some god-awful offense. Yeah, or we're dead. Come find us. Please help us.

Enjoy this conversation with Colin O'Donohan. Oh my God, we're so pleased to be welcome by Liam Neeson on the podcast today. Hello, Liam. Well, it's great to be here. Thank you for having me. Liam will be on the podcast at some point. He'll get his time. Today is Colin O'Donohue's Day.

Thanks for coming by, man. Thanks for having me. You are the second of the preeminent once cast to join me. Oh, really? Jennifer, Jennifer Morrison. She got here before me. She got here before you. You know, she spends a lot of time in New York, as you know.

Well, she does, yeah. So she had that over you. But I'm so thrilled that you managed to find the time to come by, man. Yeah, well, thanks for having me again. So a lot to talk about. You're spreading the good word on this really sweet film, Carrie Pilby, which I got a chance to see. I think it debuted, what, in Toronto Film Festival. It debuted at Toronto, yeah.

And then we had the premiere, or premiere, as people say over here, last night in New York. So first, give me a sense. What we should do, we should talk about the fact that you're getting a quick leave from the day job to come here. Quick leave, literally a couple of days. So I flew in yesterday morning. had the premiere last night and then fly out pretty much straight away after we finished talking.

So does it feel like is it kind of like a nice mini, I mean it's still work vacations, the wrong word, but is it nice to kind of escape from the set for a couple days at a time or does it feel weird leaving your cohorts

carrying the heavy bags for a couple days? It's a strange one because it is nice to get out for a little bit but then it is kind of especially because we're about to or I think that we've just started shooting the finale episodes

So it's like towards the end of the season now. So it feels, it feels weird that I'm not here specifically to talk about once, even though I know that we will talk about it. But it's kind of, it's a strange one, you know. Now, do you have to run it by the evil brother, Adam Horowitz, because full disclosure, my brother happens to be one of those guys that help run that show a little bit. A little bit. Is he a good boss? Be honest.

He is. You don't have to see, you can, you look, suddenly he's not looking at me, by the way. He turned his head away from me. the lash comes out let me tell you about Adam Horowitz yeah you probably know him better than me by now he's uh no we're very lucky they're wonderful bosses so

I have to say that because they've let me off for a couple of days to come here to do this so did um and you well we'll talk I guess about the the season of once in a second I do want to get a sense of like finding the time to do a film like this because it's challenging when you're on a network show

that does what 22 or whatever episodes you do a year it's a full time job it takes up what nine or ten months a year probably just shooting. Yeah, it's nine months, yeah. So, where's your head at in terms of, like, when you come towards the end of a season, are you eyeing another job or do you just want to rest, generally speaking? What's your attitude about sort of that?

It's a funny one for me, I've been lucky that, you know, since I started and once, I've kind of done something in between every time. When you play a character for as long as you do, you know, when you're doing a network TV show, it's always nice to get to play somebody else, you know, and as actors, that's kind of what we do is sort of the point of it is the point of it is create different characters whatever and no I've been very lucky on once that hook is sort of I've been able to play everything with hook you know what I mean so I've been blessed in that way but it's it's nice to do that but then I mean nine months is a long it's a long it's a long

time and it's kind of it's important to be able to take a rest to so I think it's it's complicated because you want to do something but you want to take a couple of weeks off totally so so and so how does this one come about is this is the kind of that happens quickly or is this something that like they've been developing for a while and then just the schedules line up and it just works out

well carry probably originally when I signed on to do it so that was two years ago I sort of signed on to do it and the schedule changed that was supposed to shoot during a hiatus I think if I remember correctly during the summer and the schedule changed

to around winter, Christmas time and luckily my very kind bosses and the people at ABC were very kind to let me off for a week to do it in early January.

And shot it here? I shot it here in New York, yeah. Now they shot from Thanksgiving I think just till maybe the second week in January. It was the whole time frame for the movie, but I was here for a week. And so did it come about through

any kind of, like, did you know the writer or director or Bell or anybody in associators? It was just kind of a random thing that came across the trussom. It was a sort of a random thing that I think the casting directors had sent it to my managers and, you know, they were interested in having me to play this character. And I read the script. I thought the script was really just lovely. I spoke to Susan then on Skype. You know, I sent a taping for it and spoke to Susan then the director on Skype.

and we clicked, and I really just wanted to play a completely different character than Captain Hook, and my character in this is a sleaze bag. You know, he's just not a, there's no redeeming factors for him at all, and that was kind of a nice thing to play. That's a weird thing to say, but it was... Again, it's about diversity and just touching yourself, and, you know, nine months of Hook you want to be a legit asshole for a change. Yeah, yeah, even if people think that Hook is, but he's, this,

guy is a particular. Yeah, it's hard to argue that one. Yeah, his actions are pretty clearly not right. So, getting a sense also, I mean, for those that haven't seen Belle Pauley, she was so wonderful in The Diary of a Teenage Girl a couple years back. She's clearly so talented. So she was attached when you came on and give me a sense of just working with her. This is somebody that I've had my, ever since I saw her in that film, like, she just wanted

to watch. You just have to see her and everything now. When I first got the script, she wasn't attached to with somebody else. And just in the way that independent movies work, things sort of change. And then I think that they, you know, they were very lucky to get Bell to do it. And I think she's wonderful in the movie. Is it striking to you that what we've got a female director, a female writer, female lead? Sadly, that is striking, I think, too, at this point in 2017.

But is that something that, you know, did that change the process? Did it feel different, sort of having that much kind of estrogen involved for a change? I didn't think about, you know, the female thing. I didn't think about it so much at the time. I just, the way I look at it is, for me, I still, I can't believe and understand how even we have to ask that question. Exactly, yeah. You know what I mean? Because for me, it should be a case of the work should speak for itself.

It doesn't matter the sex of the person who's directed it, who's written it, who's produced, who's starring in it. It's about the actual film and how a movie makes you feel and how, and that's what it should be and unfortunately that is something that we have to talk about is the fact that it is directed by a woman.

You know, it is written by a woman. And I guess in this day and age, you know, that is something that we have to sort of try and figure out because it doesn't make any sense that's still applicable. that that's still something that we have to consider or in any way.

For me, when I approached the job, and I just approached it the same way I approached any job. Sure. I didn't, you know, I have to go learn my character, figure out what way I want that character to be, work with the director on how she or he wants it to be, and then just do my job. And so that never crossed my mind.

But I know for Susan, you know, we just did an interview there, and she was saying, you know, for her at times it was difficult with people who sort of didn't like being told what to do by a woman, not necessarily cast-wise, but even crew and stuff. It's crazy. That's crazy to me.

You know what I mean? That's insane. Is it the dream of every Irishman to be punched in the face by Gabriel Byrne at some point? I mean, who doesn't want to be punched in the face by Gabriel Byrne? You don't have to be Irish. This is fair. My dream at the minute is to not be punched by somebody

in anything, because it seems to be that everything I do I get hit. This is true. This is your thing. It's your signature move. That's it. You've got a punchable face. Well, thank you very. much. Thank you. Because it's too perfect. Here's my spin on it. Oh my God. They want to just knock it around.

Oh, my God. Yeah, no, for me it was, like, to get to work with Gabriel Byrne was, you know, one of those dreams come true because, you know, obviously as an Irish actor and sort of growing up in Ireland, I mean, who doesn't know who Gabriel Byrne is anyway, but he's just an amazing actor and person. And it was just great to spend any time with him at all, you know?

Yeah. So this film kind of catches Carrie, I think she's 19 for most of it. What would a film about you at 19 look like? Are we talking tragedy, comedy, rom-com, what's the story of college at 19? When I was 19, I was sort of very focused on wanting to be an actor. I went to drama college, and I sort of, that was sort of my main thing was I was really focused on that, and then I played a lot of guitar and drew a lot. So that was kind of...

A lot of these things probably remain the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much exactly the same. Stuck at 19? Yeah. But I guess I was kind of driven to want to succeed as an actor. Not necessarily to be, not to be famous or be rich or anything, but to just to actually be able to do the job or to have someone to allow you to do it so you can actually make this work as a living.

You know, because it's funny, you know, even coming like today, and obviously, like we've met quite a number. times and stuff that but nobody prepares you for interviews or how you're supposed to come across yeah and part of the reason that i became an actor so i didn't have to be me um and then then you have to come and do interviews and talk about how you felt and your process and stuff like that and sometimes it's just a natural yeah thing you know you don't you don't think about it and you just sort of react to to what the other person is doing and did anybody ever give you any good advice on that side of thing. Because I've talked about this to death with people too. It's fascinating

because, yeah, I think people, tons of very talented actors just aren't, wow, they're not a great talk show guest. That's not a slight against them. It's a different skill set. It is. You're kind of playing a different role. Yeah, I mean, for me, what I started to do was, you know, it was really, the big one for me was the first Comic-Con I went to with once. Yeah. I mean, I'd done some publicity for the movie. I did the right and stuff like that, but it was never quite like, when I went to Comic-Con and it's relentless when you're there just it's interview after interview after interview.

Yeah, you don't know where you are half a time, you're just being shuffled room to room, it's crazy. Yeah, and you're answering the same question constantly and so what I started to do was you nearly become a caricature of yourself. You sort of have to, I'm nearly playing the part of me just so I can be present and engaged

because sometimes you're just like, oh my God, I don't know what I'm saying, I can't think what I'm answering. minute, you know, and yeah, so it's sort of weird. Nothing really prepares you for it. But there were some people who are just naturally gifted at it who, you know,

they're the people who walk into room and everybody sort of... Is there anybody in the once cast that you envy that ability that they just, they actually revel in it, they enjoy, kind of like... I think there are people, definitely people who are really, really good at it. Yeah. You know, I think Jen is really good at it. I think Ginny, Josh, Lana.

I think most of them are, you know what I mean? But I'm sure that they all have their own quirks yeah and a lot of those that you mentioned actually have even been working since they were literally kids and doing

I mean you've been working since you were a kid but they've been doing like you know films and TVs where it's necessitated they throw us through repetition they've also gotten used to it

a bit a bit I guess so yeah I guess that's that's a thing but which is good for me because when we're there as a cast I just sort of just lean on that

let them answer everything you have the witty aside just yeah yeah so when so where did that focus come from you think early on in terms of having that kind of

wherewithal and willingness to put yourself out there and not being you know in it to be on the cover of you know

people magazine but really just loving acting and wanting to make that your focus was there something in your family or was it just

an external kind of yeah well I sort of join youth theatre when I was 15 16 and I had no intention

of doing it or I just had friends and I sort of fell into it but I realized very quickly that it gave me the opportunity

me to to be somebody else, to be somebody more, because I was a very quiet teenager and stuff like that and to be somebody more engaging to, you know, and to be able to experience that without having to necessarily change

who I am as a person. Right. And that was sort of really what drew me to it. And I just love the, I love the idea of losing, I love the idea of affecting people and losing yourself to a role where,

the point where it can make somebody cry or it can make somebody laugh yeah you know what I mean and I think it's like almost like a supernatural power it's it's just crazy that you can yeah literally just through words and action yeah I think so you know affect that kind of emotion just that yeah for me it was just a big a big thing to be able to to do that and and I had so much stuff inside me that I needed to get out like and I used to draw and play guitar like I said yeah and they were they were outlets as well for me it was acting was sort of the thing that, you know, if I wanted to scream, if I need to scream, that was the outlet to do it. That was the outlet to do it.

That was my way to get it out there. What were, do you remember the first films that really sucked you in as a kid? Yes, yeah. I think one of the first ones for me was 12 Angry Men. Great movie. Still holds up, just brilliant. Yeah, it's probably my favorite, favorite movie of all time. Henry Fonda, the whole cast.

I mean, look, and that right there is a movie that is exactly what I'm talking about. It's a movie set in one room. Yeah. You know, and it's just guys talking around a table in one room. Yep. And I think maybe there's a, I think there might be a shot outside at one point and that's it. Right. And then, you know, essentially it's a, well, it was a play, but essentially it's a play that's just been filmed.

Yeah. And this world just comes alive listening to these guys talk. And that's, for me, that's really. watched what acting is about and what storytelling is about. Did you ever see the Amy Schumer parody of 12 Angry Man a couple years back? No. Oh, you have to look this off. Is it good?

Trust me. Yeah, I don't want to ruin it for you, but it was on her show inside Amy Schumer. It's a very faithful kind of like spin on that exact concept and worth checking out. Where you went to, my recon tells me that you might be a Star Wars fan. I was a massive Star Wars fan. Yeah. So what, not that like this is, I mean, what was the hook in? what was the first Star Wars film you saw?

What was the character that resonated with you? Give me a sense of your bona fides on Star Wars. The first Star Wars film I remember seeing it, I think it was a New Hope, and that was, now, it was, it came out before I was born, but I remember seeing it. It was one of those ones that was on at Christmas all the time back home, so that's the first thing I sort of remember seeing,

and I get at, look, Han Solo was, for me, was the one that really clicked, and in some respects, I tried to, Eddie and Adam sort of call hook the hand solo of once upon a time so that was kind of it was nice to get to have that sort of

roguish. A little swagger, a little roguishness yeah, totally. We're all emulating Harrison Ford in some way. We all, I mean... Pretty much, yeah, right? Pretty much. He's like the ideal man for any kid growing up in late 70s, 80s, etc. I used to collect everything, I used to have the games on the Super Nintendo, you know

what I mean? It was like, and then whenever a Star Wars T-shirt would come out, I'd have to have one. And then it just started There's just so much Star Wars stuff coming. Gets a little, yeah. How's the family with your Star Wars collection? It's okay. I've calmed that down a little bit.

I've got a few of the remote control sort of things, but they're in my trailer at work. The life-size wookie is in your trailer. It's not in your home. Yeah, I mean, I don't walk around dressed as a storm trooper in the house. Right. My son would love it if I did. Yeah. How old is your son?

He's three and a half. Oh, so are you itching to kind of expose him to Star Wars a bit? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've started to, he keeps, he's seen the, the cartoon. Right. And so he's, he wants to, actually last week I was sort of saying, you know, do you want to watch Star Wars with that movie? And he's like, yeah, so we'll watch, we'll watch it soon. What do you think you'll start with? You start with New Hope?

I think I'm going to start with New Hope. Yeah, you don't do prequels, right? No. How do you feel about the prequels? Well, when they came out, you know, I was a teenager and it was such a big event that there were new Star Wars movies coming out. I think, you know, I think maybe they went a little bit too overboard with the CGI and stuff. That's the problem. But it was also, CGI was such a new phenomenon, man, and you could do things that you never could before.

But part of the charm of the original movies, and I think what they've done really well with the two new ones, is that they've integrated that sort of live action and CGI. That's what I always loved about Star Wars was the animatronics. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. Have you gotten yourself a Star Wars audition yet? I mean, they make one a year, man. Come on, you've got to get in on this. No, no, no. Well, I'm flat out working on your brother's show.

Eventually, we'll find your way in. They're going to be making these for a while. I did say, I did say to, I said to the guys, I said, can you not get me in to be a Jedi in something? And they were like, no. Your time is coming. Don't worry. You're listening to Happy, Sad, Confused.

We'll be right back after this. So what was the, I mean, what was the first kind of, you know, when you look back at your career, was there a quote-unquote big break? Something that kind of like made you feel like you can, you are going to be able to make a living of this? I think, I think, yes, it was the right. It was the right with Anthony Hopkins. Yes, I mean, because I hadn't crossed over to this side of the world at that stage. And I'd done an episode of the Tudors and a very close friend now, got into it. touched me, who I didn't know at the time, and asked if I had representation in the States

and all the stuff off the back of that. But you never know if that's going to work out. So it sort of took a leap of faith and came over, and six months later, I was sitting, literally sitting right beside Anthony Hopkins on the set of a movie in Rome. So what are, I mean, there must be some stuff you take away from an experience like that. So this is like a big studio movie. It's you, you're the lead with Anthony Hopkins. And, you know, for good or for bad, it doesn't hit in the box office way than they probably hoped and wanted it to. So you probably ride that roller coaster. It was a weird one because, you know, the movie did so well.

And we opened, like, we opened number one in the box office here. We opened all over the world, number one in most countries. And I was kind of like, oh, okay, well, maybe this is it now. Send me all of Harrison Ford's roles. I'm ready. And then, you know, but I think I don't know what that is. I mean, my character in The Right was a very, very specific

type of character that, and we wanted to be sort of an outsider and slightly back from, you know, engaging that much because he's a sceptic. Right. And so, you know, nobody knew who I was. I was complete unknown in this movie. And I think maybe what happened was. that people thought that that was actually

you, me, as opposed to the character, but that was the big break, you know, I learned so much on that, I'm so proud of that movie, you know, I think it's a really, really, really good movie. And what about working with someone like, like, Anthony, who is not only just one of the

finest actors, obviously, like on the planet and has been for several decades now, but is very, I mean, from what I gather, pretty practical about acting. He's not, like, he doesn't have, like, airs about it, It's sort of just like, say the lines, don't be too precious about it. I mean, correct me, I'm wrong. What do you learn about sort of seeing the way he works, which I feel like some ways he

worked might surprise people. Yeah, well, I was very fortunate that he sort of took me under his wing doing that movie and, you know, sort of brought me through his whole process. There was one day he brought me into his trailer and literally opened up his script and went through his entire process. And just as I was stepping down to go to get dressed for the, just after lunch, and just he was at the top of the thing and he said,

Lawrence Olivier did that for me and closed the door. And closed the door. I was like, okay. And I didn't know what to do. I literally stood there for, I would say,

five minutes, not knowing what to do. He's told you the secrets of the acting universe that have been passed on by Lawrence. And it's just that, Anthony Hopkins is a genius. Yeah.

But works incredibly hard, you know, to do that. And I think a lot of times people don't realize just how much work a lot of these guys who they think it's effortless to really put into doing that.

Like he really put in 100% to creating a character. And I think that when we worked together, he saw that I was, because I was in every scene of that movie, I went through real exorcisms. I had to do boxing training every day. You know what I mean?

So it was like, it was a lot of work. And I think that he appreciated that you were going for it. You had to, yeah, that I wasn't just there going, oh, great, I'm doing a movie, this is great, you know, I'm going to be famous. Yeah. Which, you know, it didn't happen. But yeah, so it was a fantastic opportunity to learn from truly somebody who I think changed the face of modern acting. You know what I mean? I think that he really, he's one of those guys who really just sort of changed the way that we as act is.

approach things nowadays. And a great impressionist to boot. You can do, you can do like everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and we'd fun. The thing is that we'd great fun on that end,

especially because it's such a heavy subject matter that it was kind of, it was important to have a laugh. So what's the truth behind? I literally just had Joe Mangonello in here, who was one of the finalists for Man of Steel for playing Superman. Is it true?

You were also on that short list. You met with Zach and company for that? I was on the short list, apparently, yes. is that is that a fond memory or a sad memory to kind of be in the mix or something like that it's weird there's a couple of things which i'm not going to talk about that i've been very very very close to doing uh and it's sometimes it's it's hard when you sort of go i really think i could have brought something yeah to that i mean with superman i could like i mean i'm five foot ten and i mean henry cable is just perfect superman you know what i mean and like

I'm up against somebody like Joe Mangonello and he's like a perfect Superman and I'm a weedy Irish pale Irishman. You're not going to fight to the death over the role. There are different ways that's going to cat. I mean that was one of those ones where you kind of go I would love to play Superman or I would love to do whatever

and it's just that's the nature of the business. Sometimes you get super close to things and sometimes you know but then you know if I had done that or if I'd gotten that or if I'd gotten some of the other things which I'm not going to talk about then I wouldn't have done once upon a time. Yeah. And it would have been a whole different career path and, you know, I absolutely love

Captain Hook. And I don't, to be honestly, I don't think that there's a character that would have been more perfect for me to play at that time. You know what I mean? It's like one of those things that just sort of really everything was aligned. What was the process like of getting hook and was it, did you have that kind of acknowledgement from the start like, you know, this feels right this feels like a good fit for me at the stage. Yeah, I mean when I got sent the script I had done a pilot

the same year that once upon a time was a pilot and I did one for ABC with Angela Bassett called identity and it was about identity theft and it was a fantastic pilot and I think it would have made a fantastic series but we didn't get picked up and then so I was out of work then

for six, eight months and I got sent the script for once upon a time and I was like why am I auditioning for Captain Hook I'm not like a 58 year old man who's you know and I was full sure I was like there's no way that this is going to

work so I read it and I was like how can I put my spin on it of this character? Because obviously Eddie and Adam had a very specific idea as to how they want them to be and where in the lexicon of the story

they wanted him to fit, which I wasn't privy to at the time. Right. And so I just wanted him to be an incredibly engaging character, which I'm not personally, but I wanted it to be, and that's not being self-depriquet,

but you know what I mean? It was like I wanted him to be somebody who all the guys wanted to go hang out with and who girls just really wanted to be with because, you know, he's a pirate, first off. And I also wanted him to be very different than, you know, Pirates of the Caribbean sort of thing, which I think, hopefully, we've managed to do.

But I had a very specific idea, and luckily it was right on the same wavelength as Eddie and Adam, and it was just one of those things where I met the guys then after I did my audition and it just sort of clicked. Did the, I mean, you kind of alluded to this a little bit when we were talking about your first Comic-Con.

And, you know, and I'm very much aware of it, thanks to Adam and just covering it and just being around it. The fandom around the show is very unique. Yeah. I mean, by any standard. Yeah. Is that something that you were prepared for by your fellow castmates? And does anything kind of prepare you for that? Nothing prepares you for it.

You know what I mean? I mean, people sort of kind of said, look, Twitter, because I had only just started Twitter. They were like, look, it's probably going to be a little bit. hectic on Twitter and stuff gets little intense out there yeah but at that stage and at that stage everything was sort of new because they'd only just finished the first season

right it was a massive massive juggernaut of a hit you know after the first season and then so I wasn't I wasn't really prepared for what was going to happen and you know we're blessed to have the fans that we have people who are so loyal to the show

and it's great to be a part of a show that's like that you know it's I guess you know in some ways it's a great

validation for the work that you put out there because sometimes you just don't you know sometimes you just don't know you go through

the motions up in Vancouver you know I'm going learning my lines working on an episode and you forget that in actual fact

there are millions of people out there who really watch this show and love it had you ever heard of shipping

before you got into this I'd never heard of shipping up until up until I joined Twitter and joined this show. That's part of your daily lexicon. No, it's part of my daily, daily, daily, daily, whatever. So is working with... I almost said leprechaun there.

I don't know why. Well, you do have the most Irish of names possible. It's like it's a drinking game. You have to say leprechaun at least once or in the podcast with Colin O'Donogne. Yeah. So let's talk about this season, which you're about to wrap up. Yep. So you shot a musical episode, which many people have been kind of like wanting for a long time.

Were you one of those that was kind of advocating for it? Were you like, if it happens, it happens? Obviously, you have such an interest in music anyway. This seems natural for you. Yeah, I was delighted. I was delighted when they said that we were going to do it. And the way that they've integrated it into the mythology of the show is fantastic. You know, it's sort of what's really great about this is that it's not just a standalone episode.

You know, it's not like a one-off music episode. It actually furthers the story. So that was great. And the music is phenomenal. You know, the guys have done a fantastic job with that. And yeah, it was really good fun. So unfortunately, I broke my foot doing it. What happened?

You know you use your voice, not your legs to sing, man. I fell over a chair. Yeah, anyway. So is there a moment we should look out for in your number where like... If they keep it in, yeah, because I did it perfectly quite a lot. So it was sort of that sort of Gene Kelly move

where I run up a chair and it tips over. Did you know immediately that? Did you say it's broken sprain? It's a fracture on my, yeah, on my fifth metatarsal. So you felt it. I felt it for definite. I still did it four more times and then did eight hours more of the dance. So, yeah, well, I kind of...

It's one of those ones where I thought, if I get through the... If I get through this, then... it might actually be okay you know what I mean and then I left it for another five days before I went and got an x-ray

and then they said no it's broken you have to wear boots so yeah but I didn't have it last night because I was like I don't want to do the red carpet with a boot on

and then so people have been tweeting today from the other interview I did they were like what what happened last night crazy after party just so people know it didn't happen

no last night I was in bed at a really decent hour and it was for the sake of His art. Yeah. All great injuries are. Yeah.

And what kind of a song do you get? Can you say much about sort of, does it reflect your own musical interests, your own style? So, yes. Well, it's a sort of very piratey song. I mean, why not? And it's, I don't know how much I can say about it. I think, I mean, I can say that. I mean, I'm sure everybody expects it to be a pirate song.

I sing on two songs. So it's kind of a pirate chanty. And I think people will really enjoy it. Yeah. So is, and you have one more episode. You said they just started. Yeah, we just started the finale episode. Gotcha.

And I honestly don't even know. I haven't even talked to Adam, but these reports lately about sort of like potentially like rebooting in some way. Like, do you even know what's up? What's going on? Going forward? Oh, you know more than me, clearly. I might know some things, but it's still, at the minute we're still just waiting to finish off the season. Finish this one and see what happens.

I mean, you should be able to get more information. I know, I just haven't put in the phone call. I wanted to be surprised by you. But I think it's, look, we, once upon a time is a very, I think, special show and holds a very special place as one of the only shows out there that's just purely about hope and not unapologetically. So, you know what I mean? And I think that that's something that's, especially with the political climate the way it is at the minute and stuff, I think it's a very important thing to have. And we've got an amazing fan base and stuff like that. So I would love for the show to.

There's more hook for you, hopefully. You'd like to do some more. You're willing in game. Listen, I love hook. You know what I mean? He's part of who I am now. So when you and, like, if you and Jennifer are like out in public at an event, or something, like doing like a Comic-Con or something.

What is the, like, especially when your two are together, considering those characters, is the reaction just, like, multiplied a little bit in terms of just sort of the response you get, the love you get, the passion you get? I think so, you know, I think it's an interesting one because, you know, obviously I'm married in real life and I've been with my wife now for 18 years and she's the love of my life. so when for me it gets complicated when those lines get blurred

for the fans that's when it's sort of you have to step back and kind of go no no we're it's this is a TV show and it's flattering that you're taking this as real

and realish but but it's I can understand why it would get amplified and stuff like that when we are doing interviews and stuff together because that's that's part of

well it's a big part of the show now so but Jen and I are lucky we get on great and so it's fun but yeah like at Comic-Con or whenever we do events

that the two of us are there it tends to get a lot it's a lot a lot more hectic you know yeah totally well everything at Comic-Con it's like everyone's like on steroids everyone's like on edge it's insane but like I absolutely love

because I was delighted because I'd never been to Comic-Con before and I was being like a Star Wars nerd I'm sure for you yeah because I live in Ireland And I was like, oh my God, I'd love to go to Comic-Con. I wonder what it's like. And obviously, we see such a different side of it.

Like, you don't get to go on the floor. You don't get to see things. You don't get to buy all the special one-off things that they have. Yeah, the exclusives. The exclusives. I remember the first interview that I had with you, my first Comic-Con, they had like this Batman 70s or 60s series Batman. Oh, so it was the Adam West one?

Yeah, the dance. And I was good and I really wanted it. I was like, I would love to have done. We'll find one for you. Okay, Colin, it's not too late. Yes, please. That's my way of saying I want one. Yeah, exactly.

He's crying now. He's desperate people. Go see Carrie Pilby. Get him a Batman special edition from Comic-Con a few years back and support once. It's always a pleasure to see you at Comic-Con. It's a nice, like, annual tradition. But it's been special to kind of welcome you to the home office here. Yes, thanks for having me.

Anytime, man. You're welcome, anytime. And good luck finishing the season. We'll see you as a Jedi one of these days. Fingers crossed. There you go. and good luck healing your leg don't spill over any other chairs

I'm going to take it very easy now I'm about to get in a flight so I'll be able to put it up fair enough thanks again man thank you so much and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes

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