Happy Sad Confused - Sebastian Stan, Vol. IV

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

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Find your advisor at IG Private Wealth.com. a lot of conjecture about who you're playing. Right. Not all of it is right, clearly, because they're about the... I mean, you know. Sorry? I'm Batman. That's the choice.

It's got the voice. Who else? Obviously. I mean, where's Rob? What else would I mean? Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins. Hey, guys, it's Josh.

Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, it's one of our favorites. Fourth time on the show, Sebastian Stan. Yes, the Winter Soldier's in the House. But we are talking about much more. than Marvel today. We're talking about his new film, Fjord, a tease of the Batman Part 2, and much, much more. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button, YouTube, Spotify, however you're doing it, I appreciate you guys. So thrilled, Sebastian,

one of our favorites, probably one of your favorites, is on the show again. His new film is Pjord opposite Renata Rinesfa. Fantastic film. This is the film that won the Palm Door, the ultimate prize at Cannes this past summer. And it is coming out in theaters now. It is, yes, definitely one of those films that is in the awards hunt and justifiably so. This is a transformative performance for Sebastian. Bald head, glasses, like just kind of a schlubby guy. This is not the glamorous, you know, hero that we're used to seeing, but props to him for another bold performance coming off just two years ago with a different man playing Donald Trump and The Apprentice. He's absolutely killing it, and he does it again in this film,

Fjord, check it out. This conversation, obviously, as it always does with Sebastian and on the podcast, goes to many different places. Yes,

we tease the future of Bucky of Winter Soldier in Doomsday and more. We talk about the Batman part two, which he is shooting right now. I can't wait for that one. Matt Reeves, deliver us another Batman film. It's going to be great.

And much more. He's in a great spot. He's a new dad. So thrilled he's on the podcast again. Remember, if you like what I do, support us over on our Patreon, patreon.com slash happy, say I confused, early access discount codes. You can ask questions of our guests. Today on the show, we actually asked a bunch of fan

questions. So get in on that. At the producer level and above, you can ask questions of our guests like we did for Sebastian Stan today. So without any further ado, here we go. Me and Sebastian Stan. Enjoy. Sebastian, we can't, we can't let Fjord get out into the world without a happy say I confused episode. Can we? No, we can't because. everyone is happy, sad and confused and fjured. There it is. I know you were thinking about the podcast. During the film, you're like, look, this is a tough job, but at some point I'll get to sit down with Josh in a very brightly lit studio and just relax.

Yes. Fourth time on the podcast. Is that right? Yeah, I told you, I was thinking on the way over here, like the first time, I know I did the pictures with you. I know we did that. You've done the pictures. A lot of, I have probably 100 plus embarrassing photos to blackmail you with. Yeah.

Well. a good take him the fifth time on the podcast you know you get a free hat really yeah oh i love hats now clearly david harbors in the club hittleston's in the club very nice claire foy oh okay great it's elite company i i'm i'm down i love hats so where yeah let's let's get the most important topic out of the way you mentioned it's a good time for hats for you i mean look at this visage look at this head of this ball in front of me yeah is this is the first this is the first time for fjord that we've ever gotten to shave the head? Yes. Yes, because destroyer, right?

I kind of shaved the sides, but it was never really on the top. But yeah, Fjord was like the first real crew cut since I was four or something. Because my mom used to shave my head when I was a little thinking that it was going to grow in thicker. It doesn't work. Don't do that. Did you have any fear? This is your livelihood.

What if it doesn't come back in the volume you want? I have more fear now, honestly, looking like myself in a movie than looking different. Clearly, looking at the last few movies, you're like, now you're obsessed with just transforming. But it wasn't, I know, they all happened sort of simultaneously, one after the other, but it wasn't really a plan. And now it feels like at some point I have to go back. Just be you. To some version that looks like I do. And I was kind of worried about that the other day.

You're running away from yourself to get you on the couch. You're just trying to get far away. I'm running away from myself only to find my way back. Although 360, that's the important part. Yeah. So in arriving at the, I was telling you, this film is fantastic. This is you. Renata again, reteaming, Christian Munjou.

Do I have that pronunciation? Yeah, yeah. Great filmmaker. I mean, there are many, let's start with Fjord, and then we'll talk about other things as we always do. But I mean, there's a lot of reasons to be excited about this for you. I mean, the filmmaker, the Romanian connection, the opportunity to transform.

I mean, is this one of those that, I mean, was this born off of the experience on The Apprentice or had this been brewing for a while? It could be a sense of the origin story for this one. Well, it's a little bit of both because I, obviously, I've been looking for years to kind of come back home with Romanian away and find the perfect sort of project. And I was obsessed watching a lot of filmmakers like Mungu

out of Romania for years and approaching different ones. And he and I had had conversations for several years about finding the right thing. And then finally, this was it because he said, I think I'm going to do my first English language movie and it will be your first Romanian movie. And so the fit and the timing was right. And I propose to Apprentice and a different man and sort of these characters I had played, I felt coming off of these bigger than life characters. I wanted to do something much more subtle and nuanced and restrained.

And his films, Christian Munju's films, are so documentary-like. As you know, if you watch this movie. Long takes. They're all in one shot. Each scene is one shot, no cuts. And he really is obsessed. He used to be a journalist, so he's obsessed with trying to capture things to be as naturalistic and as real as in life.

So this was very, it was just a very different character than I had played. I thought it was an important subject matter. I, 44 now had a kid, but at the time already was really thinking about kids. So I felt it was just all kind of moving in the right direction for me. So to contextualize this,

you and Renata play a couple with five kids, I believe. Yeah. You're Romanian. The couple has, Norwegian. Norwegian have just moved to Norway. Yeah. And, you know, they are accused of abuse of their kids.

Correct. Yeah. There's a layer of religious persecution, perhaps. They're conservative. Yeah, I mean, I think that's what is interesting. And I think Mungu does really well with his films is this ambiguity that's at the center of the movie because a lot of it is about interpretation. Is it religious persecution? Right.

Are they actually guilty of what they're being accused of? The movie doesn't give you the answer so easily. And I think a very telling thing is, as it's about self-awareness for the viewer, is about what comes up for you when you watch the movie. What are the things that you feel strongly about? There's a lot of knee-jerk reactions to the movie, which I think are very telling. So it isn't an easy film, but I think it's a film that ultimately tries to explore this question of in today's world where we are so divided, how do we raise kids? What works? What is best

for the children? Is it still these old traditional family values? Is it a different way of upbringing? Are we protecting families or are we tearing them apart? You know, there's a lot of heavy questions like that that I think are important. I mean, this is the second film in a couple years that will be interpreted in vastly different ways. I mean, the apprentice was appropriated kind of on both sides to a degree and now this one is already happening and it hasn't even hit theaters yet here in the States. I think it's a very, but one thing they have in common is that European mentality approach. I mean, both of those, Ali, of course, is from Iran, but he's European. I mean, he has a very cosmopolitan upbringing. And so like, and in Europe, they're much more interested in nuance and in the

complexity of life situations and not telling you how to feel walking out of the yeah and I think in America and there's nothing wrong with it I think it all has its place we're much more in need of give me the answer give me the ending that I how am I supposed to think how am I supposed to feel and not of none of these movies do that because life doesn't always give you that so your new dad I mean there must be I don't know if you've watched the movie since coming a dad has it has perspective on a change already because it is so much about fatherhood and protecting your kids and what that means to be a man and a father. Yeah, no, 100%. I mean, that was sort of what I'm, why I'm proud

of doing the movie and why I stand by it in a way is, obviously it's interesting looking back now, having had some time away from him kind of coming at it objectively. Because I'm asking myself what are these things that I grew up with that I can that I should pass on to my kid and what are the things that I go up with that really didn't work that I don't want to pass on yeah so much of what we pass on is generational it's cultural it's it's history it's upbringing and I think looking at this movie it's it's really quite wild I mean I I you know I play a character that's very was raised very differently than me. You know, but these were traditional, very traditional male,

Eastern European figures that I sort of saw in my own dad, my grandfather and so on. So I think there's a real authentic piece to it, but I'm at it from the same point that I think, and I hope any viewer would be, which is now to try to ask, what would you do in that situation? What would you do if you're being a kid?

of that, of those things and your kids are being taken away from it. I think parents will have a very different experience with this movie. But I think I do feel like the movie still makes a case for also showing why there is a reason why these allegations are happening. What was your, has your definition of what it is to be a good man changed, do you think, over the years? I mean, I don't know what you're. Such a great question.

Yeah, I mean, it has. I'm curious how you're feeling about that. I think for me, at the end of the day, what it boils down to was tolerance. And I said it earlier, which is I sometimes equated to doing a plank for a really, really, really, really long time. But this, a degree of tolerance that I think is not so, I don't feel is so present anymore.

Man or women or however you identify it, we've lost tolerance for somebody else that's different, for criticism, for, you know, just a difference of opinion. It does feel like the value used to be placed on like, the idea of a man was someone that like set in their ways and they knew the right way and like good, bad and the ugly they, kind of like stuck to it and if you have the right morals and the right whatever great but

well it's just interesting because to see what's happening in today's world because i feel like now masculinity given the horrific examples we have in the authority figures that were subjected to constantly that play out their own traumas on the rest of us constantly um is this this victimized entitled masculinity yeah you know this sort of beating of the chest. And it's so loud. And to me, it's so indicative of the total opposite of masculinity. It's actually very revealing, I find, of how insecure and small it actually is.

And that I do feel like masculinity is under attack it has been, but it's also, there's a magnifying glass right now where we're asking like really, what is a man today? Right. But we have to go back and look at the things that have worked and that didn't. And I think there's romantic perceptions of it. I mean, you know, you had, you look at it in film, right? Like the heroic, you know, I almost want to say,

John McLean was a pretty good man. Right. And diehardt, you know. Well, he's human. He was, he had flaws. I mean. Flaws, but flaws. I mean, for me in movies, that's what I always loved.

And the lead characters were flaws. I mean, you want to talk like James Bond, right? Now, it's a whole, who's going to be the next James Bond? You're going to follow Daniel Craig? I mean, that was an amazing James Bond because he had flaws. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you felt the pain metaphorically and literally with every punch. Yeah, and, and, but I do degree a certain, I do feel like a degree of, of tolerance and. listening is how I at least I think of a man.

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Terms and conditions apply. Visit Tim Hordens.com slash triangle for detail. Can we take a step back? Because we kind of contextualized this. We talked about this kind of coming off of The Apprentice. And we should cite really also a different man, too, because that was that one-two punch a couple years ago that we talked about. I just met Adam, by the way, for the first time, Adam Pearson and Intellirod.

Oh, cool, yeah. Come on. There's a cool new doc about kind of like his journey to making a different man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so. He mentioned something. Yeah, yeah. So anyway.

But, like, I would imagine, look, those two films were big bets on yourself, on the material. either both could have failed miserably. Yeah. And instead, they were celebrated. Like, I mean, you got, you got the Oscar nomination, the Baftan nomination, the Golden Globe. And I would think, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, does that, did that kind of going through all that reaffirm kind of like, I'm doing this for the right reasons? I mean, the awards are nice and whatever. That's not the reason to do it.

But the fact that, like, I took two risks that on paper didn't seem like the obvious thing to do. and they found audiences, they found critical love. Yeah, I mean, I think, and you know, obviously, because you see a lot of movies and you're in this, and it's so, the difference is when people see the films. And it's really about getting people to see the movies. That's what those, at the end of the day, that's what the award thing is really about

is the attention that the movie can get. And I think both of those movies to me felt like there were passionate subject matters that I really believed And there was also really for the first time where I wasn't a producer on The Apprentice per se, but I was kind of treated like one because I was so involved in the behind the scenes of the making of that movie. And to some extent, I was really involved with a different man. And so I felt like I had major investments in them.

And so the fight for me was there on a bigger level. And so going forward, it definitely restructured kind of how I want to approach these. things because I realize unless I really unless like I've got my hands and my feet and everything and my heart in it. Yeah. Maybe I shouldn't do it. You know, I should only do it when it's like something I really care for. I mean, it's kind of rare like looking at as many actors as I talk to about like the

points in a career that where things shift. And you've had a few, you know, shifting moments obviously at different points, but arguably I could tell you the years. We can do that. I'd have you to do that. But like the most recent one is probably like two years ago. I mean, do you feel like, are you, you must be seeing different materials. access to different directors just in the last couple years.

Is that fair to say? Definitely, yeah. I mean, certainly, yeah. And I feel very lucky that way. I mean, it's always so much of things coming together, I realize now is about timing. And I never knew that before because I always just thought, well, you get an audition and hopefully they'll cast you and whatever.

But it's about timing also in terms of, when is the movie happening, but also the financing is it coming together, especially if it's something that's difficult or challenging, it doesn't come together very easily. And then also, is this movie coming to you at a time where you are going personally through something that you can channel into it?

Relate to or understand it, because when you don't, you know the difference, and it's just a lot harder. It occurs to me. We're almost 20 years to the day. happy 20th, the covenant, Sebastian. The covenant. I know.

Like literally almost of the day. Yeah. I think it came out September 8th, 2006. Wow, really? How are you celebrating this anniversary this year? I had to call Chase. I got to remind him of that. It's been a minute since I've seen the film.

If I went back and saw your performance in it, is there evidence of the Oscar nominee that would come? I don't know. No, I don't know. I was so, I just really wanted to be ripped in that movie, like everybody else. And I was like so under the gun because I don't remember if I told you, like the producer of that movie called me a month before and said, do you ever see the staying alive, the John Travolta movie, which is the sequel that's the Svala, Delon, director, whatever, to Saturday Night Fever. I said, no. That's the movie.

And he goes, John Travolta in that movie, glistening, abs, I want you to look like that. So I didn't know. You've got the baby oil. You give us the body. Yeah. So I didn't know what to do at the time because I hadn't really like gotten into like training that way. So I went to the gym. I went to crunch.

And I went to this to this trainer. And I said, I need to get these muscles. And he said, all right, well, here's the deal. You got to, you got to, we're going to lift three days a week. And you're going to have to eat a lot. So I was like, okay. So then actually by the time I went to Canada for that movie, I had like gain weight. And I was like bigger.

And so I, and to some extent, fat. Like I wasn't in shape. And so then he told me I had like three weeks to lose all the way. And so that's what I remember about that movie. It's just like, how do I get the swim scene to look like? I'm just, you know, everybody else. And then staring at Chase and Kitch running around without shirts just being. Without shirts.

I mean, but it was amazing because it was really like we all made, well, I think with the exception of maybe Stephen Strait. We all, I know we all made $65,000 each. Stephen was a level up. I think Stephen was a level up. From what I remember, but $65,000 was like. What did you do with the money? Did that feel like a lot at the time? It was unbelievable.

I never, you know, I was still working at a restaurant, you know, kind of like doing delivery and being a matri-D on the weekends and stuff. It was an amazing, that was 2005. I was living on still 42nd Street. Yeah, it was a great paycheck. In that time, and look, luckily it all happened at different points for each of you, but like when Chase kind of exploded and Kitch exploded on Friday Night Lights, were you like... And Toby, because Toby did Robert Ben's movie, so, so, which was a huge cast and everything.

So, and Stephen went on to do 10,000 BC and he was, right. Yeah, they were all doing. a lot of stuff. Did you feel like my time was coming? You felt behind, like one step behind? Of course. I mean, I was, yeah, I did a little bit, which is why when Chase called and said, hey, I'm moving to the city because I got this show.

It's called Gossip Girl. I mean, I had booked this play, which made me feel better about myself. Talk radio. Talk radio. And I was going on Broadway and I was like, okay, this is cool. But then Chase moved to the city and then I ended up getting on that. But yeah, Fry and Not Lights was unbelievable. We've talked a lot over the years about something near misses.

Here's one that came up that we never talked about. There was a book about the making of vampire diaries that said they really wanted you. Yes. Is this true that you auditioned or they offered you? They did. But you were on Kings at the time. Is that something? Yeah.

What happened was, yeah, they offered me Paul Wesley's role. Right. And I, yes, I had just, I think. come off kings and and i think i was i was sort of like i felt really burnt out from like that not working out and just sort of the idea of like thinking oh i'm just going to sign up again for something that probably is not going to get to the second season like i'm just and i think it was because the covenant sort of was in that supernatural world and and uh and i ended up yeah i didn't do it and and And then the show went on to be super, super successful.

How were you over the years of like the near misses of watching those films or TV shows? Like could you separate yourself from the Green Lanterns and the Star Trek's as we've talked about and all of that stuff? Or did you, are you, you know, because you invest yourself in it and you see a life and then it doesn't happen for you. I mean, now looking back, I feel, right, I feel grateful in the way because I don't know if I was really, really, ready for that kind of exposure when I was younger. I, to be honest, I just don't, emotionally and mentally, like, I, I, I, I know what I went through in those years and, and, and, and my focus was, was all over the place. And, and, and so, maybe that's just because it worked out the way it did and this is like

my story, but, but I don't, yeah, I, I, I, I, I almost feel like I wouldn't, I'm, I'm, definitely in a place right now where I wouldn't change anything. So I, so I, so I don't have, Look at where you are now. You've got the best opportunities. You've got a kid. You've got to the right place. You've got to the right place. Yeah.

So I can't look back and go, oh, what if? I mean, I do think, that's why timing is such a big thing. You know, it really happens in certain ways when I think you're ready. And I just, I think I was a late bloomer in a lot of ways. More happy say confused coming up. Trade ice skating at Nathan Phillips. Square for ice cubes in your umbrella drink. Let Porter Airlines fly you from Toronto Pearson nonstop to 10 top sun destinations in Mexico,

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It was undeniable. I was like, yeah, this is the guy. Well, and also he got it. And I was like, I don't have to get in shape like that. And I don't even know if I can. I mean, it was just, he was so, he was so right for it. And never really crossed my mind. The journey of it was wild in 2014,

when I got the call from a friend that the sequel was being made and was announced to Captain America Winter Soldier. And I was like, oh my God, they're doing it because that's how I found out, not from them, but from the ram. and premise on like deadline or something they just yeah they were like did you see what's going on at san joa comic con i said what and they're like they're doing the sequel and you're in the title and i was like oh my god we're going back because i had heard about this idea of like the winter

soldier winter soldier and it just never yeah happened so i i never knew if we were going to do it but once that happened i go oh this is definitely a way this is better for me yeah this is i fit better here i mean i know people always talk to you about like the stuff you haven't gotten to do and you've got to do a lot as winter soldier, obviously. You can't complain. But like, and you've talked about like, oh, maybe like kind of the leaner, meaner, like, down and dirty, kind of like lost years. Like, are you fine at this point, like, if that never happens or is that still a conversation

that you bring up that comes up with five game company? I always bring it up. I mean, I always bring it up. Even the Captain America thing, I bring it up. I'm like, whenever. Sorry, Anthony. I'm like, whenever, let's go, you know. He's had a run now.

he's not a few years. Well, I'm just saying, I'm like, I'm, I'm ready, man. Like, and I'm just saying like, I'm, but I'm at that sweet spot where I can still do some of it. Where you see the window closing for a few guys got, I've got some years, but you know, you start to think you go, okay, it's, it's really more in terms of just the, the action bits that you want to do. But I, I, I, um, it's hard. It's hard to, because I, I was there for like, in my, Humble of pain you know I I love the films that I was in I mean winter soldier Civil War infinity war and end game were like Marvel you got it was unbelievable time and and so I'm so I'm so biased I guess or I'm so protective of it in a way but and and I do feel like the evolution of the character was right I don't think yeah I don't think it should have gone

differently than it did I I never have any idea about what it is that they want to do but I still feel that there's something about this character that hasn't totally yet been completed and I think they know it. So we'll hopefully potentially catch up. Maybe we've completed it in this. No, no, no, no. We'll see. I was going to say. So, so doomsday is coming. For everyone. For every, exactly. And the movie's coming too. Yeah, exactly. So Avengers Doomsday is coming to. No, that's horrible. So the movie is coming. At this point, do you kind of like just surrender to the, experience like you get on set you get eight pages of the script and you trust they're going to figure it out like well yeah and also i mean i think it's evolved the the filmmaking in the process

has evolved the collaboration has evolved of course it's a night and day when you have a script and when you know what you're working on but at the same time the caveat here is we've played these characters for years that's what people forget we've played them for so many years so it's it's not entirely sort of that you're rear-ended in the moment when you don't know what's going on. Yeah. I mean you know how you're going to react like it's your left hand, right? It's there's an instinct to the character that immediately no matter what they throw at you, you're going to react and you're going to know that's the right thing. The muscle memory you've got it. Yeah, yeah. So and and and, but it's a, it's a process

because, uh, because it evolves. It evolves constantly and this particular one was evolving constantly and I think was being discovered constantly. Um, but, Again, it was nice to have, it was nice to have the Russo's back. And there was something about it that felt really nostalgic, but also familiar. And so it's great from that. I would think we're going to get a lot of reunions, none more important than a Bucky, Steve, first reunion to see you guys back together to see that first moment. There's a lot of reunions. I can't believe it's like public knowledge that he's in the movie now, right?

I mean, because he's admitted it. Wait, which one, Steve? Evans. Evans. Yes. Right. Yeah. It's in the trailer.

No, yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm just, you see it's like PTSD. Wow, you're so like. PTSD from going to, I hope I just didn't. But I was laughing because he was shooting in the movie and like, and they had him like isolated to a house and the home somewhere far away like James Bonner. You know, he was like. Right. Sequested for safety.

Yeah. Like in, and I go, how are you doing? because no one can know you're in England for this long period of time and how are you doing it? It felt like a great secret. But it's, yeah, it's interesting because, again, you're always finding new levels of the character when they're opposite different people. The thing for me in this was I just sort of realized to halfway point I was like, I think I'm like Clint Eastwood in this group, meaning like I'm just like, I'm just like,

like the guy and unforgiving, you know, the kind of sort of like older, bitter guy that's just a fun guy to be. Again, because it was sort of, what is the comedy of this character? It's really tough, it has to be very dry. And at least that was a discovery. Again, going back to Captain Mary Winter Soldier

and finding kind of the humor level with this was really interesting and then knew. So straight man opposite these big, weird characters. Somebody has to be the straight man. And I mean, in the group of the Thunder It's just it's a little bit ridiculous because they're all psychos. Right. So you are you're in the middle of the Batman part two, right?

Yeah. You're shooting that right now. Yes. Kept the bald head. Matt Reeves said, stick with it. He liked the look? I guess. I mean, I suppose.

So past conversations we've had, Batman's come up. I of course ask every actor about playing Batman and you brought up with me and others like Ridler was the character you wanted to play way back when. Did you have conversations like they obviously did Paul Dano in the last one? Did you ever get a chance to talk about playing Riddler? No, no, no, no, no. Because they did it the last one. I'm saying for the last one. No, no, I didn't.

No, no, absolutely not. No, never. I, the DC thing was honestly always sort of a kind of like a joke in my mind. I was like, there's never, there's no way. I'm never going to end up. Because you're so identified with Marvel? Yeah, I mean, in my head, I just thought, you know, and so it was kind of a wild opportunity,

but I know I've spoken about this before. I said in Toronto, but Matt had seen The Apprentice and was really like the film and my work in that. And then sort of like that inspired a conversation. And subsequently around the same time, I was kind of poking the bear, a bit over over there with James Gunn going I think we should figure something out I because I've just gotten more active about manifesting your own going out yeah yeah but it's it's

um I know we were talking before we started yeah recording everything but it really is it's very it's one of the most challenging situations I've been involved in and I and I say that I mean I feel like it's hard to talk about it without it being sort of becoming some speculative thing from someone corner but it's really um i think it's a very ambitious thing and i hope it lands right i i have a lot of faith in it because i just i do feel like matt is truly like a genius of our time and one of the very few people that i think is so unique and so specific and and has been at this for three years i mean it's not an accident like he really really honed it you know he knows what he's doing and and so So I'm just happy to be part of that vision because I do feel like it's, it's ambitious,

but I think it, I just think it's going to be great. I'm not obviously going to fish for who you're playing because there's a lot of conjecture about who you're playing. Right. Not all of it is right clearly because they're about the number. I mean you know. Sorry? I'm Batman.

That's the choice. It's got the voice. Who else? Obviously. I mean, where's wrong? What else would I mean? Right. You're someone other than Batman.

Is it a challenging role? Like, I mean, is it a physically challenging role? Is it a mentally challenging role? Is it uncharted territory for you? I feel, you know, you named these films before we've been talking about these last couple of years. And so I don't know now anymore how to not get involved in something that's not challenging or real departure in a lot of ways. And I would say that this is definitely, for me, feeling like something very different

than I've gotten to do. And that's what I love. and I'm excited about. And, and yeah, I, I, you know, I think, I think at the end of the day, that's what it should be. I just, I just want to keep trying to do different things. And at some point, I'm going to face plant. Maybe this will be it, you know, but, but, yeah, so far, so good. I mean, you must, you kind of get addicted to kind of like this high wire act at a certain point, right?

Once you're kind of like doing the risky shit that sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, And it's like, why go backwards and play it safe like it's working for you and collect all the cool filmmakers you can right now while they're taking your calls? Like, do it. Yeah, I, yeah, I don't when else, you only have one shot in life. And you should jump off a cliff because what else is the point of being careful about it? I mean, I don't think this is a business to be careful in. I don't. And the more that I feel, sort of the response being trying to put you in a box the more I see how people react to things I do you know and and they get all up in arms that I'm not following whatever little road they have carved out for for me in their minds or whatever the more I want to go the other way and I love that and so like I'm I'm down I but I'm also at a point where I go maybe I should maybe I should do a romantic comment or something well that would be as exact that'd be exact for you at this

So that of itself is different. Yes. I expect being very busy with promoting, shooting, being a dad, you're not watching much, but are you watching anything? Like, what's TV, film, anything you've seen? I, I watched this movie. I watched this movie that I thought it was incredible called Blue Heron. Oh, I missed that.

I heard good things here. The other day, yeah, it's a Canadian filmmaker. And that was an incredible film. I watched, I watched. weirdly I've been I went back to watch the last dance how great the Michael Jordan thing and I've been one to watch the Novak tennis documentary

I don't know why I need certainly the sports stuff is sort of coming back from me because I think they're great examples of perseverance and getting through difficult kind of challenging time so I you're a true crime guy too aren't you I feel like I've heard you say I do watch true crime yeah um I had something like feel guilty about it I uh you have to see prime time the you're by Rob's film the

Chris Hanson oh yeah I definitely want to see that that thing looks unbelievable and by the way some kind of heaven is such a the documentary that lands out on it is so a great yeah dude I just saw his Elizabeth Holmes doc the yeah I mean it's insane yeah I mean I'm Yeah, I do, well, that one apparently people are talking about. There's a lot of, you know, like I want to see La Bolanegra. Everyone's talking about that. I think the debut is, loved it. Feels like a movie I would die to be in, you know.

You'll like. You'll enjoy it. So there's a lot. I got some questions from your fans. You're ready? Let's do these rapid fire. Okay. Let's see.

This is not really a rapid fire, but let's see what we can do. Amy wants to know if your view on acting in the industry has evolved as you've grown and gained experience with it. That's kind of we've been talking about this throughout, but like would you say that you have a much different view on approaching acting, the industry? Absolutely. I've gone from really trying very hard to get it right and be accepted and be hired to be hired to fucking cut my own path and don't give a fuck about what everybody says and just. and just do what you connect to and find the thing that like sticks out or that's different, you know, so in that regard.

I love it. Emily, this is just as important. What's your hair care routine? My hair care routine? Yeah. Well, listen, you know. How much time do you have, you know? I guess I'm like plugging a, you know, no pun intended.

I'm plugging in a neutrophil. I think I've been taking some neuterful, you know, I'm just, I, like, I was thinking the other day, I'm like, it's gonna be so long since I've seen my own hair. Like, I'm totally 100% believing it's gonna come in like white. By the time. By the time it grows back, it's gonna be like totally a different color. Oh my God. If it goes back properly.

But just three patches of white. Like my hair routine. Yeah, your hair routine. I don't, I honestly am not that good about it. Like, to be honest, I think I try to take cold showers because I heard it's really good. also for your scalp so I do that cold what about the cold plunge and don't everybody plunges are great you should definitely do them okay not after lifting though okay I'll try to want sauna for that okay um Mariana wants to know she says that you've been learning

Spanish I don't know what her intel is on this what's your favorite word or phrase in the language dulce and that is sweet um and uh I also like this saying in total casso that is it's basically in either way, you know, no matter what. But, and also, Kisera, Kisera, which is whatever it will be, will be. But I have been learning Spanish for a new film that we're doing next year, yeah. Do we know about this? What do we got?

It's called impunity. And it's about former dictator Pinochet's arrest in London in the 90s. So it's a comedy. Do I know the filmmaker? Felipe Galvez is his name. And he did a movie called The Settler. that was at a certain regard in Cannes a couple years ago in 2023, and it just blew me away.

So, again, a different challenge. And, you know, it's so much harder to learn languages later on. So it's, yeah. How's like trying? It's good. It's good. It's closer to remaining, so it's okay. E.T.'s illegitimate child, that's quite a handle, wants to know.

Do you snore? I've been told. I have been told. told yeah um Daphne wants to know is there a ritual habit routine that you bring with you to every project like what's the thing that stayed consistent is there like a superstition or approach day one uh uh I I don't know because each thing ends up kind of developing its own kind of routine um so I I but I definitely feel now before it's in the prep before we start shooting

you know I have to kind of lock myself in a room for like six hours a day kind of thing and just dredge it all up to whatever yeah it's it's sort of this weird incubation process or something I don't know of sensory exposure and that's where all the ideas come and the stuff that's not that great fizzles out and maybe something but yeah that

This is an important one. Jenny is asking the most important question that I want to know because we talked about this last time. Are we getting any closer to a Sebastian Stan Chris Evans stage collaboration? Remember, we tried to manifest. I know, and you asked him about it. I did. Yeah, you did. I think we are.

I think we are. Is it speed the plow? You wanted speed the plow. I do want speed the plow. I haven't really gotten him to. He hasn't, I don't think he's read it. I mean, I feel like we're just going to communicate with each other through you. And you're going to bring this up to him and he can be like, why aren't we talk about it?

But it has to be, I think it's going to happen. I think it's going to happen at some point. It's just about timing and everything. Okay. Yeah. Are there, you almost worked with Brady Corbe once upon a time. What's the, is he high on the list? Like, 100%.

Yeah. What's the current list right now? Oh my God. I was just checking up on him, you know, and seeing how he's doing. sounds like he's shooting an epic yeah fast penders in it caribon shot i think yeah so uh but he yeah he's i mean he's incredible and then there's also a little bit of a story with him only because i remember kind of going to auditions and seeing him early on like we sort of were when he was acting yeah when he was acting and really early on and then he was in my class the 2024 class and so we

We, you know, I feel like this weird kinship of having gone through through that process with him in a way. And it was just so crazy. And something happens there when you kind of gone through with those people. Right. You know, you, so he's a favorite. But you're asking me like, who else kind of thing? Generally right now, who are in this age of manifestation for you? Who are you trying to get?

I'm always, I'm always like loosely chasing Corali Farge. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really, I'm substance, right? Yeah, from substance. Obviously,

Ollie is remains someone I definitely want to work with. Aaron Schimberg, I also call all the time and I go, Aaron, it's time. For folks that haven't seen a different man. We have to start again. So it's interesting

because some of these people that I've worked with, I think you want to go back to them because that's why I see why people end up working together. But there's a lot of, have you ever had the No-Wen meeting? Have you ever had the?

I've never had the nullamy. I mean, who wouldn't want to get a call from him? There's a gazillion people out there. I, now I'm like, you're like, this is my shot and I'm blowing it. But to be honest with you, I actually really debated writing like Jesse Eisenberg and just going, hey man, listen, I just, I don't know what you're, you know, if you're ever keeping me in mind, if you're doing whatever you're doing, like, keep me mind. because I'm You're down for whatever he's doing? Yeah.

I'm sure he'll do the podcast this season. I'm going to help you out, buddy. He's amazing. He's amazing. And I, again, someone I met really early on which is just starting out, you know. No, the new movie's great. Him and Julianne, Gi-Amati, you're going to love it.

Okay. We're going to do this. This is something we've done in recent months with people with amazing filmographies that have enough to justify this. We're going to anoint your best movie of all time, Sebastian, bracket style. Oh, wow.

So I'm going to pit some against each other. This is just right. now in the moment today. Obviously it could change tomorrow. But if you're choosing the best Sebastian Stan movie, I, Tanya versus a different man, I know. Oh my God, that's so hard. Just today, just today. If I was choosing it, it's like, I know, Sophie's choice. I feel like those movies are, I, I, I, uh, I, I, I mean, today, right now. Well, I think maybe I would go with a different man because because I was just so much more evolved in terms of where I was at when that film was being made. Fresh versus Thunderbolts. Fresh, I mean, 100%. Okay. Winter Soldier

versus The Apprentice. That's the toughest one. That's so insane because in my head, there isn't one without the other. Like, it's just, it's, it's, it's there. It's, it's there. I can't. That's such a, I hate you for asking me or that. Today it's this, tomorrow it's the other. Today it's. Well, yeah, I mean, I guess today will be the, it would be the apprentice. Yeah.

And then most importantly, the covenant versus hot tub tie machine. I'll go with, I'll go with the covenant because it's, it's always going to be there no matter what. Now we're getting towards the end. A different man versus fresh. A different man. Okay. Apprentice versus the covenant. No one has ever done that.

Apprentice. Now for all the marble, Sebastian, a different man versus the apprentice. The greatest Sebastian Stan film of all time is... I think I think I'll have to go with a different man. Okay. I love it. Yes.

It's, you know, not to knock anything about real people as I find it, you know, and hold it just as much in a regard. But I just think a different man. It was one of the most original things I'd ever read. It had come across. And there's still, in terms of originality, something still has to beat that. I love it. Okay.

I'm going to let you go on this. You've done most of the profoundly random questions before, so we don't need to rehash all, but you're still a dog guy over cats, dogs, yes? Yeah, yeah. Dogs, collecting. Last time it was books, anything new you're collecting? Yeah, no, it is.

Books is probably still working, yeah. I don't think I asked you what your favorite video game of all time is. Oh, I loved Warcraft 2. I was very big in Warcraft 2. Yeah, I could see that. You got Blizzard, yeah, entertainment. Yeah, when it was the original, I mean, back in 1997, 98. And then Starcraft, I got it to a bit, Tim.

Are you going to do the GTA 6? Everybody's talking about Grand Theft Auto this season. It's going to make a gazillion dollars. Here's what happened. When high school ended for me, I just, for some reason, like, I didn't follow through. So I know of Grand Theft Auto, but I didn't see, I don't know it very well. Current wallpaper on your phone? It's my, it's my kid.

This is the appropriate answer. Last actor you were mistaken for? Very good question. Oh, God. I can't. I don't know. It's been a while since I've been mistaken. That's a good sign.

That means you made it. Forget the Oscar nomination. Sure, that's important. But the fact that no one confuses you with any. Yeah, there are some funny instances, but I can't remember I can't come off the top of my head right now. It's okay. We'll save it for the fifth time on the podcast. I know. I'll have to come back. You have to come back for the hat, if nothing else. It's a pleasure, man. It's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me. Thank you for watching the movie. No, I'm happy to support. Honestly, this is one of the best I've seen in quite a while. Fjord is the film. Um, you, Renata, Christian Munju. It's, it's engrossing. It is provocative. It is, it's a thinker. It's one that you can talk about.

out in the best possible way. I think so. We still need those a little bit here and there. Yeah, definitely. You're always welcome, man. I appreciate you always. We did it. Thank you, my friend. Thank you, buddy. I'll see you. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. From the parents behind law and order comes a mystery the whole family. can enjoy. Patrick Pickle Bottom Everyday Mysteries. Step into the whimsical world of Patrick

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