Happy Sad Confused - Suki Waterhouse

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

Suki Waterhouse is an actor, a musician, a model, and now the star of one of the most talked about shows on TV--DAISY JONES & THE SIX. Suki joins Josh to talk about her journey from modeling to acting and why it's not a good idea to bring a [fake] gun to an audition. To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to Josh's youtube channel here! Check out the Happy Sad Confused patreon here! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes of GAME NIGHT, video versions of the podcast, and more! For all of your media headlines remember to subscribe to The Wakeup newsletter here! SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! VUORI--Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at vuori.com/HSC BABBEL -- Right now, when you purchase a 3-month Babbel subscription, you’ll get an additional 3 months for FREE. That’s 6 months, for the price of 3! Just go to BABBEL.com and use promo code HSC. RAYCON Ready to buy something small with a BIG impact? Go to BUYRAYCON.com/HSC today to get 15% off your Raycon order! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Happy, sad, confused begins now. Today on Happy, Sad, Confused, Suki Waterhouse joins the band in Daisy Jones and the Six. Hey guys, I'm Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused, a new guest on the pod this week and a very talented actor, singer, model Suki Waterhouse on the show today. This is kind of a different one for us. I know. But Daisy Jones

and the Six feels like the show of the moment. I don't know about you. It is all over my social media feeds, my friends. Everyone's talking about the show. And it's really good based on a bestselling book. And Suki plays a very pivotal role in the show as Karen. We're going to talk all about her acting, her modeling, her singing, her game name. nights with Al Pacino and Javier Bardem. Yeah, lots of fun stuff with Suki Waterhouse in her very first extended podcast conversation. Very thrilled to say. Lots more to mention, though, first. Let's see. Where to begin? Well, let's start with Daisy Jones and the six, because actually, if you guys are going to be in South by Southwest for any reason, if you're an Austin native,

if you have plans to visit South by for the film festival, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. It's going to be my first time at South by in many years. I've been a few times over the years. I've been privileged enough to be invited to moderate the Daisy Jones and the six panel on March 11th. That's this Saturday. Come on out and say hi if you're there. 4 p.m. is the panel. I'm also going to be moderating a panel later on that night.

Less of a panel than I think just a post-screening Q&A for my buddy Jake Johnson's new film. Jake Johnson has written and directed a great new movie called Self-Reliance, and I'm going to be there with him and Anna Kendrick. Not sure who else from the cast might be there, but a really fun, cool, weird movie that I think the South By audience is really going to dig. I'm happy to help out Jake, who I've known for a long while, and support this really cool new movie called Self-Reliance. Anyway, so those are the South By plans. I'm going to be in and out there pretty quickly, but if you're there on March 11th and have no plans, try to get into either of those screenings, Q&A's, and give me a wave. Say, hey, scream happy, say I confused.

So yes, speaking of events, we just announced the other day a really exciting one. Jody Comer and I will be speaking to the Symphony Space audience. We're visiting our friends at Symphony Space on March 22nd. March 22nd at 7 p.m. Jody Comer is coming to New York. city. She's actually going to be here for a while. She's bringing her one-woman play to New York. It's debuting very soon. I can't wait to see it. It earned her all the accolades in London. And before that play starts up, she agreed very kindly to have a chat with me at Symphony Space.

And even better, this one is going to benefit my mom's wonderful nonprofit organization. Harlem is, which some of you guys may know, some of you may not, is a organization that kind of documents the cultural history of Harlem. They have a great website. They put up exhibits. It's a great, great organization. And I try to do at least one of these a year. We weren't able to do one at the end of last year. So better late than never. We're doing one with Jody Comer. All my proceeds are going to benefit Harlem is. So tickets are going really fast. I'm not so surprised. Jody Comer is beloved for all of her work. And she has been on the podcast before. And if you've heard that conversation, you know she is so fun. And it's going to be a real.

really cool night. So the link to pick up tickets is in the bio. Get your tickets now. All the VIP seats, sadly, are sold out, and they sold out in like two or three hours, but there are plenty of seats still available. Not sure if this one will sell out or not, it very well could be judging by the early reaction. And let's pack them in, New York. By the way, there is no live streaming opportunity for this one. I know that bums out the international fans. We just can't make it work for a variety of reasons. So if you can make it, if you're in New York, if you're in the area, do your best. March 22nd, 7 p.m. Jody Comer.

Other things to mention, there's going to be some other, there's another event coming up that following week at 92 NY, another live podcast taping that will be announced very, very soon, if not by the time you already listen to this. Check my social media feeds, Joshua Horowitz, on Twitter and Instagram. That's another good one. I believe that is going to be March 28th with a mysterious, another new guest to the podcast. So yes, beyond that, what can I tell you guys about? I think those are the main things.

Next week on the pod, we may have something special for you guys, a bonus episode for you scream fans out there. So keep your eyes and ears peeled for a bonus episode that may be dropping early next week. That's all I'm going to say for now. Okay, back to Suki Waterhouse. She's the main event on the pod this week. This was really fun. She was a delight. She's so charming. And it was a real treat to get to know her and to have one of her first kind of deep dive conversations into the evolution of her career. And more specifically about this new project. If you don't know about Daisy Jones and the six, the broad strokes are, this is the story of a band. This is the story of Daisy Jones played by the great. Riley Keough. It also has Sam Claflin in. It's him at the Oliphon. It's a great ensemble. But it's really about the band and the formation of this band and the interpersonal conflicts, romances, the music, which is spectacular. We talk about that. We talk about the prospect of this fictional band, actually becoming a real band and going on the road and playing some gigs.

I could definitely see it happening. And the early reaction from the fans is, is pretty stellar. People love this book. People love these characters. People love the music. So it's on Prime right now. I believe the first, at least the first three episodes are out right now. I'm binging through it right now by the time. I think I've seen about five of them now, but my weekend plans are to finish the rest of them. I'm excited to. And like I said, it's a big role for Suki and a big opportunity for her, and it really melds her talents as both a musical artist and an actor so um check it out daisy jones in the six see what all the buzz is about um all right guys you know what to do review rate and subscribe to happy sad confused spread the good word listen to us

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Okay. Here is me in person. Always fun to chat with these folks in person. Caught up with Suki in New York City. Enjoy my chat with the one and only, Suki Waterhouse. Suki, welcome to the podcast. Hi.

It's so nice to be here. You know what? I haven't really done that many. I did my first podcast yesterday. I did one yesterday. Okay, so you got the... And it was actually only 20 minutes on. It was very quick because I was late and then she had to leave.

So I'm very happy to be here. We're going to be... There's going to be laughter. There's going to be tears. Emotional breakthroughs. I hope so. I think so. Epiphanies.

I do feel... I feel like we've been circling each other because I know people in your orbit. I know Sam Claflin. I know Riley. I know Robso. Like, I feel like this has been a long time coming. And I'm so excited. It's at this moment now.

because the energy's out there. I mean, you're feeling the love right now, right, for Daisy Jones? Oh, my goodness. I mean, yes, definitely, definitely. I mean, I just can't believe it's two days until it finally comes out. It's been three years in the making. There feels like there's so much excitement around the show, which is always a really nice thing when you feel like, you know,

all the effort is actually the ready to receive it, right? I mean, it's so like we have no real history. chatting. I do remember we chatted very briefly. It was probably a very memorable moment for you on the carpet for insurgent. And it occurs to me that that was probably like your first, you know, like experience with a fan base. Like this is a much different kind of fan base, obviously. But do you remember like, obviously, it was a small role in a different kind of a thing. It was a very small role. I basically fall, fall off a building and die very quickly. But it was it. But you nailed it. You did it so well.

That was one of the first movies, I think I did. Like one of, yeah, probably one of the the first ones. My first movie, actually, you were mentioning Sam. Yeah. Was Love Rosie, right? Yeah, was with Sam Claflin about 10, 10 years ago now, and Lily Collins. That was the first movie that I ever did. I remember, yeah, I went, I went to a, that was kind of how I got an agent and right, right at the beginning. So where was your headspace at in The Love Rosie Days and Insurgents? Like on a film set, were you comfortable yet? Were you still kind of like, oh no. No way. I was, no, I was, I think I, I was, I was pretty, I was quite reserved, maybe not off camera, but, uh, but once the camera turned

on, here in the headlights. Oh my God, reserved. No, but, uh, but, but I think, yeah, no, I was actually, I was very much just in the space of, of just watching, watching all the actors around me. I remember being, being, being, you know, I hadn't been on a film set before. So watching, watching, watching Sam and Lily, uh, act together and just kind of understand, yeah, being, like, looking around and seeing how kind of watching how everyone behaves on a film set and like the right the right things to do and and the wrong things to do um yeah the wrong things to do well i just yeah no i remember there were other spontaneous screaming and crying and just just like i think i actually had i had had very good examples in in um in sam and lily

yeah they were they were just they were they were incredibly kind to everyone everybody and I'm professional and also you know also really fun this helps it's a job but if we're not having fun what's the point and it does seem look again I've talked to a lot of a cast over the years and it's always like we're a family blah blah blah oh we love each other so much I detect it's all authenticity in this one wait why is she alone now what happened we're like all like we're all like friends and then after us we're just like uh who yeah the camera turns off in different ways. No, I mean, it truly seems like you guys, like for a variety of reasons, for the length of time, the on-off probably start schedule, the nature of the project. I mean,

has this felt like a very unique kind of bonding exercise? And when did you realize it was going to be that kind of sort of experience, you think? I mean, this project was quite unique in the way that when we were auditioning, there was actually like this, I remember when I got the part, I was so excited. But there was also this, there was this, there was this, massive amount of pressure that they put on us and very much let us know that it was incredibly serious about how much music that we needed to do and how much rehearsal we needed to do which which really like doesn't happen that much anymore I feel like like back in the 70s or back in the day like sometimes people would rehearse for like a year right because it would be like a

studio movie like you're on a contract and like this is what you're doing for for a long amount of time but you know now usually you don't get that much rehearsal time like maybe maybe two weeks And actually, we didn't have any rehearsal time for the acting part because the music part was so huge. And then suddenly we were like, oh, my goodness, we start actually shooting in two weeks. And everyone was like, oh, my God. You know, it was actually, we were a little bit of one way that. But the part for the music was huge. And we knew that that was going to be, you know, like three, three hours a day at Sound City Studios for months.

And then it ended up being, we ended up doubling that and doing it again because we had this big break in the middle for the pandemic. So we did like six months in total, going every single day. Crazy. So I think I knew when that, you know, when we kind of understood the vastness of that, you understood that you were going to be hanging out with everyone a lot. And also just being really bad together. I was going to say you all probably feel like you're out on a limb. Like obviously you have musical chops.

You have experience. And they're varying degrees in that cast. But like, you know, for Riley to finally like kind of like embrace that side of her and some of the cast members, like, wait, like I could look like an idiot. idiot if this doesn't work. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, that was basically all of it. We were all very comfortable feeling like idiots, to be honest.

You've got to work through that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was really where all the fun, the fun part came in. And actually, Riley's amazing because she doesn't, she, like, she didn't come in with anything, like, oh, I should be, like, amazing. Right. She, but she, she was, like, but, you know, she came in with such a, she came in with such a goofy, like, carefree, uh, humorous attitude, which is one of the things I just really

love about her. She's just like, she's always up for being silly and, and kind of, and just very much herself. And she's never apologetic, but, but she did come in and it was like, oh, yeah, you can, you can, you can really sing. Like, you can really sing. Yeah, you can really sing. And also, and also just like, you know, I think when you're portraying a rock star, it's all about, like, how you style, like the kind of like, what's your style of rock star?

And she just had it in bucket loads from the start. Is there, have you found that wines have bored, I haven't gone through this. over the last few years with the cast and the characters. Like, do you all play roles within the dynamic? Does that a dynamic mirror at all what was on screen? Definitely, definitely, definitely, 100%. I mean, Warren, who plays the drummer, like, Sebastian, you know, Sebastian, like, very, we were all very involved.

Like, Sebastian was like, you know, I don't want to be wearing a shirt most of the time. Like, even if it's freezing cold. But, you know, not that that's kind of, he does wear clothes. that's like your quirk like you know i'm just not going to wear shirts anymore but no that there definitely is actually i think cami who plays camilla they have a lot of similarities um a kind of innocence and a and a kind of i think cammy cammy had this like huge undertaking to be someone like very bright and just like you know you fall in love with her and you just adore her and she

she has that kind of like that innocence and also tenacity right um in real life too and i think actually it's interesting i think we i think we can safely say especially as we've kind of grown up with these characters over the last three years like i definitely feel like they bled into our lives and and they also taught us a lot cammy talks about that too about kind of understanding that life is life is um more like more gray than than black and white you know she has this huge arc and her thing And I think for me, I was playing a woman who is very much a musician and is incredibly passionate about her hopes and dreams and creating the life that she wants to build.

And I think Karen bled into my life very much, actually. Like, I think, I don't know. I don't know if I would have, I don't know if I would have had the guts to finally make my record, like, outside of the project if it hadn't have been for her. I'm curious about, like, the line between performing in a project and acting in character while performing in a project, right? Because, like... It's tough.

Yeah. There's a whole other layer to worry about it. It's like, wait, I can't just worry about the music, playing the keyboard, doing whatever. I actually have to be Karen while I'm doing this. Well, that's why they wanted us. I think that's why they wanted us to rehearse so much. I think, like, I think they didn't want it to be that annoying thing when you can tell that people aren't really playing. right um and they want they really really i mean even you know even if i don't know if you if you

really if you watch the show that you're going to know that we're doing every single thing even though we were and we spent so long doing it but uh i don't think you necessarily know that but i think it was important for them to for us to spend that much time together and actually that was i think i think the fact that we knew the music so well actually allowed us to be completely free when we were acting yeah um and you know they're there are scenes in Daisy Jones where Riley and Sam's chemistry is so intense and that, you know, everything's falling apart. And I would kind of be, you know, so taken by that, but just behind the keyboards watching it that, um, that if I didn't know that the music really well, then that,

you know, even that was, it was very distracting kind of you're thinking, are we going to get through the show? Are they going to, is someone going to storm off? Like, you're kind of waiting for the, you feel all this intensity actually, which is, yeah, part of. of like, they're very intense chemistry that they have. But yeah, thank God we, thank God we knew the instruments well before we going into that. I want to talk to you guys about performance apparel and our sponsor this week, Viori, because guys, I have become so sick and tired of the traditional old workout gear. It's not comfortable.

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dot com slash hsc and discover the versatility of viori clothing curious, like now at this stage where it's like it's starting to come out and people are starting to receive it and like you're feeling the fan base. You're feeling kind of like the obsessive excitement about it. Is this where the like the pressure, going to quit pressure kicks in where like you start to think about that? Because I would imagine when you're in production, you have enough to worry about that you're not going to worry about like pleasing the fans. You have to just honor the material and the director and the writers. Does it feel like now, I don't know, is there a different level of just like anxiety or excitement now that the fans are getting a chance to see what you've done yeah i mean of course of course i mean i think from the beginning there was you know there was a little bit of that at the beginning but then you start shooting the show and you kind of you kind of forget about it i mean you have this amazing material you have this story um and of you know of course you want to make the fans proud with with with your depiction of the character but you also you also have to kind of like throw it all away and bring bring your whole self to it yeah um and uh yeah there's there's there's a couple of

things that even even this week you know just just like little surprises like Karen's british in the show and like you know little things that little things that people people didn't realize but you know this book this book has lived in people's hearts so much and it's lived in our hearts for like the last three years so like yeah you start you definitely start getting a little bit more more nervous that you know when it starts, kind of like on the countdown to Friday when it comes out, you just, yeah, you just, you know, you know that you guys did, did everything that you could and you just hope that the fans love it as much as you do. Have you had that on the other side of it? I mean, we all do. Like, have you like loved a book, loved a property and then been like, oh, I hope

they don't screw it up? Like, what is that for you? What is the Daisy Jones and the six for you that in your life you've been obsessed with and excited to see interpreted? I can't think of a book actually right now that I've what are some good ones I'm trying to think of what we've what's been a book and then I mean actually and I don't want to say insertion The divergent conversation is a whole other conversation

I can't even think right now of what but well that's okay just more broadly speaking what were you into as a kid Like, what was, like, were you... I was really into those Alex Petterford movies. Oh, really? Do you remember? Yeah, sure.

That was a book, actually, that went into a movie, and I love the movies. Okay. But I really love the books. Okay. But Alex Petterford, like, he definitely, in, when I was, like, 13, that definitely, um, translated for me. Got it. I was, I was... That made me very happy.

Yeah. What's, okay, what... I'm trying to remember what those books were called. I know. I know. It was so good. Wasn't it Alex... Was it, that's not the Alex writer series, was it?

No, that's something. I remember I really love Mallory Blackman as well as a kid. A book called Nauts and Crosses. Okay. That was something I was really into. Were you into at all fantasy at all? Were you a Harry Potter kid? Oh, I was definitely Harry Potter kid.

Were you? Oh, 100%. Yeah. That was also, I remember, I remember when you were English and like 12 or 13, or actually like 11, if you were an English kid in school, the search, they came everywhere. They came everywhere looking for Hermione, for Harry, like, no one was safe. Like, you were going to, there was literally just like Harry Potter scouts in like your netball class, like your every single drama group that you were part of, everybody.

Were you age appropriate? I'm trying to do the math now. I kind of was age appropriate, actually. I was never, obviously, I don't even, yeah. You didn't get the audition? You didn't get the talent scout? I didn't get the audition. I feel like the Harry Potter scouts, like, probably had the yearbooks.

Like, they had everything. They knew where to look. But there was definitely, there were definitely people, yeah, there were definitely people around searching. It was, it was everywhere. So I think, I remember me and, yeah, I remember me and my best friend going to see the, the movie when we were like 11 and being like, you know, we were kind of like, let's see who this Hermione is. And then we were like, okay, yeah, she, yeah, she, she does, she, she fits. Never did the, like, dress out as Hermione for Halloween, daydream about Hermione. I don't think I, I don't think I, I don't think I, I don't think I dressed as Hermione for

Halloween. But yeah, I think I was, I was a similar age to, um, to, to kind of like the 11 year olds at the time when it came out. And, uh, and, and actually, yeah, I remember I was, yeah, it was huge, huge Harry Potter. Yeah, I would imagine if you're 11 in, especially where you grew up and you weren't into Harry Potter, that's like the ultimate rebellion. That's like, well, that kid. Yeah. I mean, that was like a way that all of us were reading in a way that we never had before. There's a ginormous books. Yeah. There is no, I, I can't think of when I read a book last. That's like 700 pages. Yeah.

That's amazing. I know. It was an incredible thing for like our literary skills. All right. So let's talk a little bit about background in terms of like the trajectory of the career. So like from what I gather, talent scattered at about like 16 and that's when the modeling started to happen. I think I was a bit younger actually.

I think I was about 14. Oh wow. No. Yeah. No, no. Sorry. I think I was about 15. So what's your attitude back then?

What's the family's attitude about it? Is it like, oh, this will be. Let's see where this goes. Is this a real thing? Is this a career? Is it just another? Like, what was it at the time to you? I don't think my family were that. I think I'd actually, I think I was quite an angry teenager and quite difficult. And I was kind of, I was, I was, I think I struggled in secondary school quite a lot to like find, I wasn't really, I didn't really feel like I hadn't found your group, your niche. Yeah. And actually I had sort of, I think probably like what propelled. held me into it was like yeah I had like a sort of like falling out at school with the with a girl that kind of I really was holding a grudge oh no where she now I'm really

going back yeah you really want to name her you want to call her out like how I how I started that how I started my career everything's a revet everything it all goes back to high school but it no but it made me yeah I think that Like, I guess I kind of had a, I kind of wanted out of, like, I wasn't, I wasn't like, oh, I just love being in high school. I can't wait to go to university. I think, yeah, it was, I lived on, I lived in Chiswick. And it's kind of on the, like, slight suburbs of London.

Right. Still in London, can still get there in like half an hour on the bus. Got it. But I was dreaming of more. And you found more. So, and then, and what, when you think back to those first years, were they, I mean, is it a trip to think about? They weren't particularly successful. They weren't at all. No, no, no, no. And it wasn't, it wasn't like I walked out the door and it was suddenly like, da-da.

No, I remember, yeah, I got, I kind of got, um, I got scouted and then that it was, yeah, that it wasn't, it wasn't like, um, yeah, it was actually, it was actually kind of difficult those first few years. I mean the difference of say like when I kind of do a branding thing now or like a modeling thing to like kind of back then it's actually been really fascinating to to see like the changes over like 10 15 years like you know and actually experience what it's like to just be to be like completely like you know a 16 year old doing it in a time where like nobody really give a shit about you whatsoever or like what you had to say or anything like you yeah you must it must be such a true. up to think back because things have changed so quickly. They've changed so much. And I mean, look, it's not all perfect, obviously. But like, but to think about any 15, 16 year old, particularly a young woman, and you're in a way kind of the most powerful person on that set. Like, I mean, they need you.

It's about you. Oh, you're not the most powerful person on that set. Well, I guess that's what I'm saying is like you don't realize your own agency and voice and they don't value you in a way. You also don't really have one because it's, you know, if you did have a, if you did have something to say, like I remember, I mean, my. Modeling is an incredibly un-unionized industry. So it's not, it's like if you're an actor and something, something goes wrong or there's something, you know, even if they're working you too long or whatever, I've never done this.

But you can call SAG and then, and, you know, do something or if, you know, you have an accident or anything like that, that just doesn't exist in modeling. Yeah, no rules, it feels like it's like. There's no rules. There's no rules. There's no rules about getting paid. There's no rules. There's no kind of like safety measures in place. Like it's really. and if you did ever have an issue with anything like actually it was incredibly like like you don't want to do it there's someone right behind you

I mean there's so many girls so if you cause any problems like you just be you just be out so it was yeah like to watch to watch kind of like the agency that I hope a younger woman in that industry hopefully have more of

I wouldn't say completely because it still is ununionized and difficult but but But it's been very fascinating to watch that over the first few years. But yeah, to go back, I guess, like, yeah, that those times were exciting and also, you know, just like, yeah, a ton of castings. You'd have an A to Z. I'm not the tallest girl in the world, so I would have ginormous, I would always have, yeah,

try and have like a long trouser and ginormous, ginormous heels. and I'd always be like, you know, kind of hiding from the agency because, you know, they'd be like coming at me with a tape measure or trying to measure my thighs and tell me to lose weight. You know, it's all that kind of stuff that you, that you imagine. That you would expect unfortunately, yeah. Yeah, but it was also, you know, it also kind of got me, it got me, it got me working and that was like such a,

that was such an exciting thing. And like, like it got me, I didn't have to go to, I didn't have to go to college. got out of that one miss other young women that tortured you like your friend in high school well yeah I kind of stopped and then and then actually that

and then yeah and then kind of at about 20-21 I got a a Burberry contract which was and that was a turning point yeah that was a turning point and that happened in quite a strange way I was actually like I think I was

I think I was in the gym or something and the creative director saw me in the gym and one thing that was quite cool about back then is you didn't have like Instagram you didn't have a number over your head right so it was kind of it was kind of like more about um yeah it was more kind of like sort of like a friendship or like a you know like I kind of I think I think we like had a great chat and enjoyed each other and I came in and and it was kind of about it was quite a lot to do with like energy and especially that kind of Christopher Bailey era um when he was at Burberry so that was yeah that

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years in drama school that, right. And, you know, and some people don't. I mean, so many of my There's no right way to do it. Yeah. There's also, there's also, there's also, definitely a world where I see like I think sometimes that can kind of mess you up quite a lot as well but uh but I'm yeah I guess like every everything that I've learned really is from watching people on set I mean always just kind of like I've been really really lucky to work with incredible actors I mean like the the first the first um the first like main you know kind of like my like the first movie where I like led the movie the bad batch with lilia I got to be around, you know, Keanu Reeves and Jim Carrey and Jason Momoa, like

shirtless on a motorbike, but that's, that's separate. That's a long-term story. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, that's always, that's always been a place where I've, where I've learned to feel comfortable, actually. Well, because it's a two-fold thing, right? Because it's like proving to yourself and proving to others. And that's, that can be equally challenging in a way to, like, feel like, because, you know,

there still is, I'm sure. shore the stigma of someone that comes from another field and then seemingly it's like that stuff is never going to go away but you know what like don't we all feel like that in some way like we all have kind of like another we all have some kind of hoop that we're all trying to yeah jump through i kind of enjoy that to be honest it gives you something to keeps you motivated like oh i'm gonna yeah fuck you i've got the yeah exactly i i think i think every i think every actor i mean even I know from, you know, I know from, uh, kind of like personal, you know, friendships or relationships or whatever. I know, I know that it doesn't, um, that doesn't really go away for

anybody. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It doesn't matter how. Oh, no. I mean, this constantly comes up. Like the imposter syndrome conversation is always there with everybody with the best human beings on the planet. And it, and like you said, it's the, it's the internal driving force. I think for a lot of people. I mean, my dad is a, my dad's a surgeon. And I remember when I was really struggling with imposter syndrome for, I mean, like, I'm more, there's, there's that deep fear in all of us, right? There's like that, that thing. Um, but I remember talking to my dad about it and he was like, he's a surgeon and he was like, I still feel like his, his parents had a fish and chip shop and he grew up, um, he grew up in the, you know, outside of London and he never, you know, it was

beyond his wildest dreams, no one gone to university, no one, you know, the idea that he would become, become a surgeon who, you know, cuts people open all day and does these, these insane operations and reconstruct people's faces. And he said, you know, I still feel like somebody's just going to come and tap me on the shoulder and be like, what the, are you doing? Yeah, you should be working at a fission ship shop, not cutting my child's chest open. And I was like, oh, that's so interesting because you've been, you've studied, you literally have studied for this for 10 years and you're considered like one of the best at this job

and you still have that feeling. It was kind of remarkable when you think of that. And I think that that's kind of, I think that that's kind of helped me as I've, you know, grown up and met so many people and like, you know, you meet so many people that you appreciate and admire too and you just realize that everybody's walking around.

Everybody's fucked up. It's all the facade. Inside, we're all dying. We're all feeling like we shouldn't be here. How are you in auditions? Do you enjoy them on a masochistic level? Do you, have you figured out the way to feel comfortable in them? When I say in audition, like, you...

I really miss going in the room. Because, you know, it's changed... Oh, right. Now it's all Zoom or... Well, now it seems to be... Yeah, now it's a lot of tapes. And I miss going in the room because that kind of anticipation and only being allowed to do it once or twice.

And then when you tape, you can just drive yourself absolutely insane. Try it again. Drive yourself absolutely insane. I mean, yeah, there have been jobs that I've tried to book, that I have booked or I haven't booked. But if I'm given the chance to do a tape, it will just spiral out of control. Because it will just be me with like a camcorder and a tripod. I remember one time there was a movie I really wanted to get in New York. And it was kind of Thanksgiving time.

and I was just going to anybody that I knew that could help me that could maybe add something different or give me a different kind of critique just for like a whole week. I posted up here and didn't leave until I felt like I had something and I did get the part.

But it was, yeah, I think I sent, I think I sent in like 10 different versions. It's like a different wig in every one. Just different lighting. I'm like, yeah. And then they're like, can you look younger? And I'm just like in Target trying to, you know, just driving myself absolutely.

Absolutely insane. Amazing. But yeah, no, yeah, I don't, I don't know if, yeah, I don't know if I've, yeah, I don't know if I feel like I've managed to feel like, oh, yeah, you know, I've nailed that every time. It's like, it's so distressing when you, you know, when you're just watching yourself back and you have, yeah, you're watching yourself back act and you, and you just, um, you have to get as close as you possibly can to feeling like that you've, you've captured some kind

of essence of the character and brought your whole self into it. Easy. Super easy. Easy, right? How many superhero auditions have you subjected to yourself to? Every actor has to do it now. I think I did one. Does the Ryan Reynolds movies with, what's it called?

Deadpool? Deadpool. Yeah. Is that a superhero movie? I remember doing that. I did a couple of auditions. Oh, did you do like the domino part? Yeah, I think I did domino.

And actually I had a bit of a, I remember I went back for a callback for that. And I bought a fake gun with me. because I had to put it up to someone's head and then my bag got searched on the lot of the studio and they took it away. You're like, I'm here for Deadpool. Yeah. So besides that, did the audition go well?

Did you feel like you actually were? I think that, yeah, I think it went, I think it went pretty good. I didn't get the role though. So, but you know what? It's always, whenever you get a call back and you can go in and go in and be in the room and even, you know, I always think like my sister's an actor too and she she's just been she's just done this Apple show

which is going to be great I think and an amazing amazing role for her but she kept the last the year before that she just kept getting nearly there nearly there nearly booking and I was saying to her you know that is that's just unbelievable in itself if you're almost there or if you get the call back then you're it's coming as much as you possibly can. So much of it is out of your control for who knows what the criteria is and who the other actor is. They want you to play again. It's always difficult when someone says like, what, you know, what do you want to do next? What's the dream role?

And it's like, we're at the mercy of so many things. Yeah, there are like three actors that can determine their like. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No one else's. Leonardo DiCaprio gets offered every single thing and has done for the last 20 years. There's no one else.

I think Christian Bell has talked about that recently. There's no role that he doesn't get offered. He just has like a stack of scripts and he's like, hmm, maybe else. No, I mean, I talk to actors about this all the time. It's like he figured it out. He locked it. Not luck. I mean, look, obviously he's insanely talented, but he is like, he doesn't have to do a superhero movie.

He just works with Scorsese and the best filmmaker and he's like, good. Yeah, it's pretty much only Scorsese. I mean, that's a good rule of thumb. If I was Leo, I would do that too. But yeah, no, yeah, so I guess, yeah, I guess what there's, there's that and then there's, there's, there's, there's, there's booking something. or being offered something and then there's um yeah kind of like determining whether or not it's right for you um but but a lot of the time it's some kind of like magical magical magic trick that happens where you're like oh i really want to do this and they want me and then it's the other

element of like oh wait then it actually has to be a good thing and like everything has to click and it has to get a good release pattern and what it's like so much is like you know you can only control so much yeah i mean like acting is really like it's your yeah there's so much there's so much out of your control. Yeah. It's very different to music and, and that, you know.

Is that part of why music has become also like a... I really appreciate both things, to be honest, because I think, yeah, getting hired to be an actor is you're part of such a huge, like you're part of such a huge group of people. You're four higher. You're a piece of the puzzle.

And yeah. And it's beautiful when that's working. And that's beautiful, by the way. There's nothing, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. That is, that can be, that's some of the most rewarding moments. I've ever had in my life, like being part of, being part of the cast and the crew and just

like the magic of making it all happen. But yeah, music is something that you can, you know, that you can go and work on and make instantly. You don't have to wait. You don't have to wait for anyone to put up the money, get the place, can make it all happen. Yeah. You need a studio space. You need a little something. Yeah, you need some if you want to put out, you know, put out a record or go on tour but that's uh but that's basically i mean the yeah the record industry is insane i'm learning and and there is no money it's just you spending money so oh no wait before we get off the superhero topic rob did rat you out is it true that you cried watching the batman he said i did i did of course is that just because you were feeling empathy for his suffering in the

costume yeah i think it was no no no i think it was the scene at the end of um it was the scene where he's helping actually the extra was this woman that played the do you remember she's being in the water like at the end yeah yeah yeah there's a really amazing role with a part where actually she was she was an extra but she just

steals the scene and it is incredible and there was yeah it was watching that scene with them together and the music's kicking and I also just thought he was you know I was just kind of blown away maybe there were tears of happiness when when you're with someone for months and months months and they're coming home with like black makeup all down them every day and like kind of

you know they're just like uh and and you're just you're just like yeah maybe tears of joy being like the movie's good it's amazing do you run lines with each other for each other's roles like did you have you played commissioner gordon and catwoman to help rob out i don't know if i should say yeah i have yeah there's an alternate version of the movie Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, of course, that you're trying to learn lines the night before you go. Everyone gets, everyone gets, you know, you have to run lines a lot, but yeah, yeah, yeah, he, he, I love it when he helps me, actually. So, okay, back to Daisy Jones, as we kind of come full circle, there's all this talk and hope, I feel like, from the fans. I mean, I don't know how much this is real. Like, do you imagine you guys actually performing for the public, like, doing some kind of, like, mini tour?

Is that feasible? Is it possible? I really think it is feasible and it was and it was potentially going to happen and then I think there's that yeah I think I think it's it's been difficult to make happen just kind of everyone's like lives and things going on in their lives and and and then I guess like scheduling scheduling us all back I mean we had we we were like oh you know we I think Will will who plays Graham in the show and this was his first job and then since then he's just been booked and busy he's doing it he's doing a play

right now like straight out of college has just booked everything and his working he's just unbelievable um but but i think that is i think there is a world where this could happen i mean we i think i think we we owe it to ourselves to actually do a live performance yeah um we might need to we might need to brush up a little bit we might need to brush up it's like the songs was so in my head, like, the piano parts are like ingrained into the deepest part of my soul. But, yeah, we might need a little brushing up. But I feel like, I feel like, yes. I feel like we have to.

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It's just not in my bones, but I feel like if I saw you, a professional or someone at the karaoke place, I'd be like, well, that's not fair. That's not cool. They should let the amateurs do it. I, I, I, um, well, are we going to karaoke these songs? Do you mean? Just generally speaking. I hope so.

Are you a karaoke person? Am I a karaoke person? Are you a karaoke person? I am a karaoke person, 100%. Yeah, I'm like an, an, an, a little bit. Anas Morissette kind of karaoke person, like a Cranberry's karaoke person. Definitely. I haven't been karaoke very much.

I hope these songs will make their way into the karaoke sphere. The canon of karaokeing? A hundred percent. That's really like the ultimate goal. It's the ultimate goal. If we can get this Aurora album into, yeah, if people love it enough to karaoke, then we've made it. Have you had one surreal karaoke experience in your life that you can cite?

I'm sure you have karaokeed with some interesting folks. Have you been in a room with someone and been like, I can't believe. I haven't karaokeed with, I can't, I can't think of a karaoke one, but I have played, like, I have been to some pretty wild, like, game nights. Oh, really? Yeah. Like a game night, you know, like a, where you have to, like, wink and kill people. Yeah, yeah.

With, like, Al Pacino and Quentin Tarantino and, like, put that'd be gris and, like, I can't even go on. Like, that kind of stuff where you're just like, oh, this is wild. Right. And so competitive. And who was the most competitive? Who got into it the most? It was, I think Penelope and Javier were like screaming at each other one point. She's like, I don't believe you.

If you're not my husband, if you're the killer. Like, just like really, really intense. And you're like, oh, my God, she's going to actually kill him if he is the killer. But he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. Yeah. You're like, am I tripping?

What's happening? Is this real? Are you actually in the room with me? Yeah. So going forward, you're going to do the point? press tour, are you going to finish this? Does this give you like a new kind of like, I don't know, do you feel like you've leveled up? Like the next time you're on a film set, it's like, yeah, I kind of like, I've, I've checked something off the bucket list and I can now kind of

bring more of myself to a role. I mean, I think I learned so much from doing this, this role and working, working with everybody for so long. I don't know. I don't know if I feel like I would have leveled up. I'm always very, I'm always very, uh, I think I I know, I think I know, I know myself well enough to be like anything that you do next. I'll be equally as terrified and hopefully a little bit, you know, hopefully every project that you do, you take something away from it and you become more confident next time that you're on set. Do you watch a lot, TV and film?

Like, do you consume a lot? I do, yeah. Okay, so give me a little bit of, like, what's, what's... I mean, I'm obsessed with succession. That's just like, I'm obsessed with the White Lotus. Like, that's really like, that's really like, that's really like my kind of, both. No, they're both great. I really thought they were both great.

Yeah. Like, they were both, like, the fact that they managed to, that might quite manage to make two incredible seasons, it's just, how did he do that? He just went on holiday and made another amazing episode of them. He's cracked the code. He really has. A great place to go to, with an amazing, new ensemble each time.

Yeah. Megan Faye, oh, obsessed. I'm just obsessed with all of them. What are three films you've seen more than any other in your life? The three films that define Suki Waterhouse? I have seen I've probably seen quite a few Dane Cook movies

Isn't that weird I was watching one Have you seen my best friends girl Yes I think I have I weirdly have seen that movie so many times It's so dated Not recently, not like the last year I was watching it quite recently

What? Yeah yeah They're so dated And everything's so off Like from what we're used to now That it kind of feels like you're in like a different vortex I did not have you pegged as a Dane Cook Superfan

What did I watch? I was watching, no. He doesn't really get enough credit, though. He actually was kind of ahead of his time. He was in a lot of respects. Yeah. Yeah. He was.

He wasn't any of like huge on MySpace and like. This is so random. Okay. All the Dane Cook work. I think I've watched every Francis McDormann movie. I was watching one recently. My friends with money. Oh yeah.

That's a good at Nicole Hoff Center. Yeah. And just any Julia Roberts movie. I've watched all of them. There's not one. I haven't watched. I'm obsessed. My best friend's wedding not and killed the classics.

Yes. Yeah. No, I'm not saying that facetiously. I just love, yeah, I just, I don't know. If I'm ever, if I'm ever like feeling nervous about like a scene the next day that I have to shoot, I'll just watch a Julia Roberts movie and just, and then try and emulate her. What would Julia do?

And then everyone's like, that was good. And I'm like, thanks. Really give the credit to Julia. I gave it a little, I gave it level six, Julia, if you just see you know. I don't know. I'll just watch her and just imagine what it's like. like to be her and um yeah like it's worked for me multiple times do you find that quotes work their way into your vernacular movie quotes tv quotes like if you are you quoting dain cook in your

day-to-day life no i hope not i hope not if i want to stay uncastled another cook is yeah then i do not know it's just like i don't know i what yeah i think the stuff that i end up watching at home is sometimes like I like putting on like I almost like putting on movies that like aren't necessarily like good right you know I got you you have to be in the right frame of mind

you're like I'm going to watch a serious important I mean but then there is there are the serious moments like watching Tarr was very serious like we had to really like you know we went very serious for watching Tart and I just I was just I love I just love that movie when a Kate Blanchette when you're watching

Cape Blanchette you have to you have to give her the time and effort. Yeah, you have to be very serious. It's just like, oh, my goodness, the queen of the universe, you know. She is. She's on another level. She's on another level. Yeah. Totally. Um, all right, we did it. We cracked, uh, open the mind of Suki Waterhouse. Oh, by the way. Did we? I don't know. How, how, how were the true blood years, by the way? Was that a, was that a nightmare when there were the super cuts of Suki everywhere? People still think I am Suki Stackhouse. Like, there's a lot of confusion of whether or not I actually, if, if Suki Waterhouse is a restaurant or sounds like it'll be a great restaurant yeah it sounds like a great

restaurant or if i am suky stack house and actually we do we look kind of weirdly similar so like you could right you know we're both like blonde and you could get us um mixed up so no um yeah it's been rough these years have been you persevered yeah i persevered you got through it the tough times are behind you daisy jones and the six is out uh everybody should check it out it's uh really been a pleasure to get to know you the show is fantastic and i hope you get some rest. I mean, besides just the TV show, you're also like touring a bit right now too. Yeah, kind of a lot. Yeah. It's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I just finished on the, I just finished my first headline tour on the, on the 11th and then, and then the next day,

I started, started press. So somehow, someone, someone must have figured out that that was the right timing. Well, you seem remarkably coherent for someone that busy. Well, thank you. You're masking it well. Thank you very much. Thanks for the time. Thank you so much. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. The Old West is an iconic period of American history and full of legendary figures whose names still resonate today.

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