Happy Sad Confused - Taron Egerton, Vol. II

Episode Date: July 27, 2022

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Well, I'm back from a big adventure, an annual adventure, though the last couple years, obviously, it was not an adventure to San Diego for Comic-Con, the big cahuna of all Comic-Con, say that three times fast, and what a joy it was to be out in the world alongside thousands of my nerd friends reveling in all the genre fun, and it was exhausting, it was fun, and it was fun, and it was, you know, There was that deja vu feeling because this was, I think, my 13th Comic-Con, if you can believe it. And it's, yeah, it's a privilege to get to do what I do. And especially I'm reminded of that at events like Comic-Con where I really have it. I have a good deal because what I did out there this year, and by the way, the main event, and I'll get to it in a bit, is Taryn Edgerton.

And it's a great conversation. And it was one of our live conversations in New York, and it's fantastic. But I want to give you guys a lowdown on Comic-Con because so much happened there. And I was in the center of it all. that's kind of cool. So, um, so yes, my deal at Comic-Con this year, as it has been in many years, was we have our own nice, cool, crazy set that, uh, where I talked to casts of movies and TV shows for MTV. And this year it was MTV and also some interviews for Comedy Central. And, um, it's, it is exhausting, but it's, it's exhilarating, too. It's a mix of kind of like

new faces and old. It's like new faces where it's like a cast of a show like Paper Girl. Orals or Vampire Academy, Bodies, Bodies, which is kind of a mix of old and new. And then it's kind of, you know, bigger stars that you're more familiar with, whether it's like Zachary Levi, who we had in for the new Shazam film, or the cast of Dungeons and Dragons,

which was Chris Pine and Reggie Jean-Hage and Michelle Rodriguez and Hugh Grant and Sophia Lillis. So it's always fun in that way, right? Like I get a chance to see people I've known forever, but I got a chance to meet the next wave of stars. And it occurred to me, like, when I was on my way over there, I was looking at my old photos, like, oh, yeah, like, I met so many people at Comic-Con for the first time. I met David Harbor there for the first time, and I remember meeting him there and being like, oh, this guy's awesome. Like, I just, like, I clicked

with him immediately, and, and of course, now we've become buds, and it's great. Same way with Sam Hewitt and Katrina Balf. I met them at Comic-Con. And I have a thousand stories like that. And this year, the same thing happened. Like, I mean, I got a chance to meet, I don't know, one jumps out. Let me think. Jonathan Majors, who I'm such a big fan of, got a chance to finally meet him. So, like I said, it's a really exciting event, and it's not lost on me the privileged position I had or have. And we've been churning out the content, the MTV and Comedy Central crews are awesome, and they really churned and burned all the great content we were able to do this year.

So if you want to catch what we've done, I guess the best. So all the MTV News stuff, they put most of the stuff up on MTV News's Instagram and MTV News YouTube, and most of it's short-form stuff. It's like minute-long bites. There is some long-form stuff. We posted my entire conversation with Kevin Feige, which is always a rare treat, and Kevin was, I have to say, very, very nice to me in what he said to me. And, yeah, so I'm grateful to him for that. We also posted our annual Geeks and Posers game, where I ask all the stars, resume of the stars as I can, a bunch of kind of trivia questions.

That's always a blast. That's on the MTV News YouTube page. Comedy Central is just starting to unfurl all the fun stuff we did with folks like Kevin Smith and Justin Long, Mike Judge. So, yeah. And then I haven't even mentioned the Marvel press line. So the Marvel always happens, just so you guys know, and sometimes it's fun to hear the inside baseball, I guess, right?

So all the folks come to our suite, except for the Marvel folks. The Marvel folks basically don't do any one-off stuff except for, I think they do the EW suite where they do photos and I think some interviews. But they do do this press line, which is essentially a glorified red carpet. And it's chaotic and it's massive. And it's a ton of stars, and you don't know who you're going to get really until the last minute. And we did really well. We got pretty much everybody we were hoping to get.

And, yeah, let's see. So we talked to Tatiana Maslani from She-Hulk and Jamila Jamil. We talked to the whole gang from Ant Man and the Wasp. Oh, yeah, Catherine Newton, new star that I had never met that I've been, you know, definitely following, excited to meet her finally. Got a chance to catch her with Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly. bombed my, not bombed in a bad way, but just kind of jumped into my interview with Kobe Smolders. That was fantastic. The guardians were there, so caught up with Pratt and Karen Gillen and Palm Clementeaf and James Gunn. And then the Black Panther crew. I'm sure you guys

have watched the Black Panther Wakanda Forever trailer, which is so emotional. And as emotional as you think the trailer is, I mean, and I know this, this is not like revealing any secrets. The cast was very emotional. They were very emotional on stage. They needed some time before they came to the press line. This is obviously the film they've made after the passing of Chadwick Bozeman, and you can feel it in the film, in the production. And, you know, this is more than a loss of an artist. This is a loss of a human being that they all really was important to them. So those were more, you know, more intense, thoughtful conversations. But I did get a chance to catch up with Lipita Nyungo and Latisha Wright and Winston Duke. So, yeah, kind of a

blend of everything. A lot of fun interviews, some more serious interviews, but all great. And I just came back from San Diego just exhausted, psychologically and physically, but really happy and satisfied. And then I got chance, actually, the night before I left San Diego, they always culminate. I hope this is interesting to you guys, but maybe if you weren't, didn't have a chance to go to San Diego. Hopefully it's interesting. So the night before, the last big night of Comic Con, which is Saturday night, there's a big party that Entertainment Weekly throws that I was privileged enough to be invited to, and it's really, it is the big party in town. It's the one where the folks actually show up. So, yeah, because some of the other parties, it's not so talent heavy. But got a chance

to see a lot of people I hadn't seen in a while as well. I saw my beloved Matt Smith. Who couldn't be sweeter? It was just so, he was, I was very sweet. He was very excited. CB. I was very excited to see him. I was more even excited to see him, too, because he was with Karen Gillen. Karen and Matt in the wild together. What? Um, so got a chance to catch up with them there.

Uh, got a chance to meet another person, actually, who I've never met in person before. Um, Si Mu Liu, Shangxi himself, uh, who I've done stuff with over Zoom with and we've tried to make some stuff work actually in person that didn't quite come together, but, uh, was lovely.

It was lovely to meet him there. Jacob Battlon caught up with him again. We did hit some stuff for Comedy Central. Who else? I can't even think. I don't know. It was a fun. It was a good night to kind of like just relax, have a drink or two, and then go to my hotel room and sleep for four hours before my flight. As I said, I'm tired, but satisfied.

So hopefully you guys are enjoying all the content I've been putting out there. We've been putting out there. As I said, if you want to look at my interviews, go to the MTV News YouTube page, go to their Instagram, go to my Instagram and Twitter. It's all there. It's still coming out. But really great. And great, by the way, to see some folks that just walking the streets of San Diego that were

kind enough to come by and say hi and say they were fans. That always means a lot. So thank you to all of you. All right. So I guess let's get to the main event because even without Comic Con, we've got a big, fun, awesome show today because we did another live event in New York City with Taryn Edgerton. And of course, Taryn Edgerton is one of the great talents in his generation. He must be just, I think he's like 30 now. I don't even know. But Taryn, of course, came to prominence

in Kingsman, was great in Eddie the Eagle. And then, you know, shot to New Heights, no pun intended, with Rocket Man playing Elton John and is now showing off a different side, a really dramatic, great role for him in this limited series for Apple TV Plus called Blackbird, which I definitely recommend. I binge the whole thing. This is based, this is like written by a great writer, author and writer, maybe best known for Mystic River, Dennis Lehane. It stars Taryn alongside Paul Walter Houser, the late great Ray Leota. And basically, in a nutshell, Taryn plays a guy, and this isn't revealing anything too much because it's in the early moments of the first episode, he's kind of living a high-on-the-hug lifestyle, dealing some drugs, just getting into some bad

news, ends up in prison, makes a deal to cut his sentence in order to try to elicit some confessions from a guy that may or may not be in prison who may or may not be responsible for more than what he's in prison for, more deaths. And that's the Paul Walter Hauser character, a very dark, disturbed individual. As I said, really, really haunting fantastic performances from Taryn. and Paul in this. The first bunch of episodes, I think the first three or four, are already out on Apple TV Plus. I think it's a six-episode run.

I watched it all. Really enjoyed it. So we dig into that in this conversation, but we dig into a great many other things, just the arc of his career. I've been talking to this guy since the start, and really excited to see what's to come next. He, you know, people want him to play Wolverine.

I want him to play Wolverine. We'll talk about that. His upcoming movie in the Tetris movie, which is, I'm not even sure. what it's going to be, but that's a curiosity. And yeah, much, much more. This is one of those guys that can do it all. He can obviously act and sing.

He's kind of, you know, much like a guy he's co-starred with, kind of the next, it's cruel to say, the next Hugh Jackman. But he's got those tools like Hugh does, and very charming and very sweet. So check out Blackbird. It's on Apple TV Plus. Well worth your time. And I hope you enjoyed my spiel on Comic-Con. You know, the inside dope sometimes is interesting.

the hero, I hope. As always, you can watch most of, if not all, the happy, sad, confused conversations on our Patreon, including this one. It's available right now on patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. The link is in the show notes. So you can watch this entire conversation with Taryn as well as dozens more game nights, all sorts of bonus stuff on the Patreon. Again, it's patreon.com slash happy, sad, confused. All right, here I'm going to toss to myself at the 92nd Street Y with Taryn Edgerton. Hi, New York. Thank you so much for coming out tonight on this somewhat gloomy, humid day in New York.

But you're in for a treat tonight, guys. I love doing these happy, say, I confused live events with the 92 NY. They are always a delight. It's great to see all of you here, and we have a special one tonight. This man, I've been talking to his entire career from the beginning to where he is now. It's been a remarkable journey already. You know him, let's see, as a Kingsman.

You know him as Elton John. You know him as a singing gorilla. Yeah. And as you can tell from Blackbird, this is a performance unlike any you've ever seen him. It's another remarkable stretch for him. this guy can do everything, please give a big 92 NY welcome to Taryn Edgerton. about. This show is remarkable. A Blackbird, this limited series, Dennis Lehane, it obviously

has the pedigree. Six episodes, guys, I watched it all. It's fantastic. This is your first live action performance since Rocket Man. It is. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's three years since Rocket Man. And I knew when I did that, I mean, I'd had these great opportunities with Kingsman and, you know, Eddie the Eagle and various other things in my 20s, but Rocket Man was just this career life-altering experience for me. And I knew that I wanted to follow it with something that felt as heavyweight and as interesting. And then shortly after we finished the, there was an awards run for Rocket Man and shortly after we finished all of that, obviously the world stopped and I was sat at home for a few months

and then in July of 2020 I was sent these scripts and it just blew me away. I could not believe that they were offering me this job because the writing was just more sophisticated than anything I'd dealt with before. I think I felt like, you know,

why are you offering a kid from West Wales this tough Chicago and, you know, I was pleased. But, you know, it just, it wasn't in my ordinary wheelhouse. Right. So, yeah, I was just so excited. I mean, yeah, my sense from you is you see every job as an opportunity. It's like you're still relatively early in your career and it's time to,

every job should be an opportunity to stretch new muscles and to find new. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think that might have something to do with being like from a less affluent background, maybe a little bit. I don't, I feel, I always feel like a tourist, I never feel like anything's for granted, I feel like every, and I feel like everyone could be my last, and I don't think that will ever go, but I think if it does, that's when I'm probably in trouble, you know. One thing that struck me about this show, so you, if you guys just watched the trailer, you see, we've got Paul Walter Hauser in there, who's remarkable in it, Ray Leota, I believe this is his final performance. Yeah, I think so. I think he maybe has one other thing.

Maybe one more, okay. But, and kind of heartbreaking, given the nature of his performance in this, but it's exceptional work, as it always is. But a lot of your scenes are like one-on-one with another actor, whether it's Paul or Ray, other actors. And that must just read as such like an opportunity for you as an actor, because that's like where the real work is. You can just sink your teeth into that stuff. Totally. It's such an actor's piece. And as you say, generally, the other main characters in the show, I only ever really interact with them. each separately, you know. And when the scenes are of

this caliber, when they're this rich and they're this, I mean, I don't know, I just can't speak highly enough of the writing. Dennis Lehane of Mystic River fame, a receptional, yeah. And, you know, written the stories behind so many kind of great Hollywood movies. But, yes, Taryn, come on, engage your brain.

We were talking about the one-on-one kind of of the nature of these kind of juicy scenes with other actors. There's also the physicality. I mean, like, you're as big as I feel like you've ever been in this film. It's like Christian-Bale American Psycho Territory. It's kind of like...

Yeah, I went for it. I think because... I think because... I've done bits, so I've done... Like, when I've done action things in the past, I've done gym time with varying levels of success. But I... For this, I knew that...

because it's so linked in with who the character is, it's not just you're doing an action movie, you need to lift some weights and eat chicken and broccoli. It's more like he is this kind of very conceited, narcissistic, quite self-absorbed character who is hyper-masculine. And, I mean, there is also just the fact that the real guy was actually in incredible shape.

But for me, it was more than that. It felt right. It felt like it was the key individual. to playing him because he's got this peacocky assuredness that is about, I don't know, he's just got that very alpha thing and it wouldn't have worked if I didn't look like I could hold my own, I don't think. I wonder if there was like, per what you were saying before, psychologically, like, oh, I've done the work, I put in the work and I've earned, like, my time on stuff.

Yeah, and I think for me as well, because, you know, anybody who knows me and knows my work is like, I am not a tough guy, you know. But I felt like I could play one, but it just, I felt like I needed to change myself a bit together. We have a clip. I want to show you guys. This is you and Paul Walter Houser. Again, just one-on-one, juicy stuff. Let's take a look at Blackbird. That's a reenactment. A bunch of us would get together and reenact famous Civil War battles. Those mutton chops? Burn sides.

Generals wore them back then. That guy right next to me. That's my brother Gary. We're identical twins. Really? He looks bigger. He fed on me when we were in my mother's belly. He got all my nutrients and whatnot and grew big and strong. And I kind of withered, I guess.

What? You look fine to me. Hey. Night time in class, ladies. Why are you being nice to me? I don't know how anyone does time in a place like this without a friend to talk to. And we're right across from each other, so... Night, Larry.

I reached out to work with you. Don't worry. It's all good things. He says, working with Taryn, he fights for the work to be great. There isn't any leniency towards settling or aimlessness. Everything he does seems to have purpose, a sense of internal poise and posture, and it's done with a humble spirit of collaborative. He's a fan.

I mean, you guys are in it together, and I know this was a tough one. He's been open about this was a tough one on him. I mean, it's a tough head space to be in. Yeah, I mean, I'm happy it feels like it's not my place to talk about it, but he's been very public about his difficulties while we were shooting. So, yeah, I'm, you know, I think he was at a point in his life anyway, and then this opportunity comes along for him where he's presented with, with, I would say probably the most,

the biggest and most, well I mean, Richard Jewel was great too, but this is, it's such a flashy performance piece for him. So I think he recognized there was a great opportunity, but also when the writing is this good and you sort of lock into playing these people, there is, it's not like, it's not that method thing where you sort of, it's not, you know, that.

You don't lose yourself completely, you're always aware, but still. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, and I don't, really, I don't really buy that personally, or it's certainly not how I feel, but there is this thing of having to go to places imaginatively, certainly for him. You know, they're the worst things imaginable. They're the parts of life and humanity that we would just rather pretend didn't exist. And of course, for Paul, that's not an option. He has to, you know, it has to become that. So it was, it was, you know, I think we both felt like there were certain days where we need

to shower for five hours afterwards, you know. But he really went there, and that's why he is rightly getting, you know, incredible reviews for his performance because he committed to it. And also he went further than that because he said something in an interview recently that I really know to be true, that when he's not, even when he's not dealing with, even when he's not dealing with words, that are very evocative and descriptive. He's still thinking stuff.

You can see him. The character is often kind of in this kind of drug-induced haze and you can never quite tell if he's performing, being in another sort of place or if he actually is. And you can see he's thinking dark stuff right now.

And so I think he had a difficult time just putting it away and not, you know, not letting it get to him. I know, and I can say this because he's been very public about it, but he went sober after doing this, which I think, you know, would have happened any way, but I think it contributed to a general sort of sense of him needing to make a change in his life. I mentioned, again, just really remarkable stuff between you and Ray Leota. Even watching this, by the way, I don't know if, like, the first, like, episode, the first part of it, I almost feel like the first section is like the last section of Goodfellas.

It's like Henry Hill at the end of Goodfellas is the beginning of Jimmy. in this story and I guess I mean you've been privileged to have like these like really seminal kind of relationships and and the work with actors of a different generation right whether it's Colin or Hugh yeah and now Ray does that something that's just like I don't know does it put those the hair stand up on the back of your neck when you know that day is going to be with Ray Leota in a prison yeah yeah yeah I mean you know when I read this of Of course, the relationship with Larry is the subject of the show, and it's where the interest lies.

But when I read the scripts, it was, for me, the heart of it was the relationship with Big Jim. And I felt, probably to be honest, because of, I mean, to an extent, I think because of my own relationship with my father, I who I have a complicated relationship with. There was something about this that really spoke to me. You know, I don't know, for any of you that have seen the show in the first episode, there is the first scene between myself and Ray,

there's a visitation scene where he says, I never wanted this for you. I wanted a totally different life. And what is great about this script is that when I read that, and I hope when you see it, you can tell he's kind of, he's bullshit in his son. He didn't, he's never said that to him before.

He's never given him any reason to think that he should pursue a life of decency and being a law-abiding citizen. And what I hope you see in the show is you see me completely malfunctioned because he can't believe that his dad is saying this to him and then you see me, then you see the character of Jimmy get on board and go,

oh yeah, no, I know, I know, I know, I know. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, no, I just, you never mentioned it before. And that kind of writing, where someone can write that and infer it without scripting it, and it's in the subtext, I mean, that's just what I'm in it for. It's so creatively rewarding.

So I read the script, and I just was, with these scenes, I just felt an incredible affinity with them, and they were the ones I was most excited about filming. And then, you know, one of my first questions when I signed on was I asked Dennis, you know, who is, who's going to play this role, this big gym role. And he said, I want Ray Leo to. I was like, oh my God. Wow. Okay, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

that'll be, that'll be, that'll be, that, um, and Ray read it said, yes, within 24 hours. And, um, and, and he was so, what was, what was, what was exciting for me was that, as a 67, 66, 67 year old actor, whatever he was at the time, he was, he was, his, his, he was, he was, he was, his hunger for the work was just as healthy. And he shares, like what Paul is very politely saying there is that I try and not be, I try and not be egocentric on set, but I try and really cultivate my ego for the work.

And that's something that I can get grumpy when I don't feel like everybody else is the same. And Ray, Ray has that same thing Ray you know he does not suffer fools he will not tolerate it if he does not feel that

everybody is focused and invested and yeah so you know it was an amazing experience working with him he had a profound effect on me we connected very very quickly and not in this like not in a way

of like hey man I really get along with you this is great let's go and play pool later just the nature of the work you were connecting and we just was there was nothing engineered or forced it just had this um quality of realness and authenticity and i felt like when the cameras turned i felt like we loved each other and it was a very very i know that sounds earnest but it's how i felt and we you know we really bonded in a in a in quite a profound way we stayed in touch after the shoots and you know we were excited to hang out and celebrate and you know when I have so I have told the story

before but when I first saw the show I texted me and said you know it's that is a beautiful performance for you and I if I may say so I do think it may be one of your best and and he just said you made it very easy to love my son and that was that was all he wrote to me and yeah so it you know you're right I have worked with some great actors. I made some great friendships, particularly of the generation above me, but this one was very special to me and it always will be. Yeah. So in the show, Jimmy basically tries to back out of this deal that he cuts to commute his sentence a little bit down. Do you experience that as an actor? When you make a deal to be in a project, are there

are there second guess moments the night before, the week before? Have you ever tried to like get out of a job? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean, I think what I'm learning as I go along is that I know, I know when the feeling is right and when the feeling is me trying to convince myself it's right. And with this one, it was just, I was like a rabid dog, you know, wanting to sign the deal and get it, get it done. So they didn't change their mind. But yeah, and the other way as well, you know, I recently, you know, I was recently offered another prison-based drama that I read. and just fell in love with, an amazing character. I can't do it because it just, it's too near and too close.

Right. But yeah, you're always second-guessing yourself, but, you know, mainly I just feel so lucky that I even have any autonomy in how I pick roles because that is a privilege that is afforded to so few actors. You know, I think even some, like even some actors that you would know and really admire and would consider it be very successful, don't feel that they can always do that. And I feel very fortunate and very privileged that I am in a position to do that.

Yeah, I think it's one of the secrets that people don't realize is that 98% of actors are taking any... Yeah. A hundred percent. And they're glad of it. Yeah. Because just to be working is a privilege. So when you're doing something like this, you just have to stop and smell the roses and realize you are in rare firefighter.

So since we have the luxury of time, let's do a little, this is your life, Taran Edgerton. Going back, so you referred to this before. Working class, is that... Yeah, I mean, I think ideas are class up-changing in the UK. I was raised by my mother.

And, you know, like, I suppose the threshold for earnings in the UK is like, you know, an under $30,000 a year household. Right. You know, she studied whilst she raised me, she had me quite young, she was 23, and, you know, I never, it would be wrong for me to give the impression that I ever wanted for anything, but we didn't have a lot. Fair enough. Yeah. But suffice it to say, or fair to say, acting, a career in the

arts in film and TV and theater was a surprising thing. Was it something part of your life, part of your world? No. No one in my family's ever done it before, and I didn't do it until I was 15 going on 16 and um who validated that first like like who did who complimented you like what gave you the bug like it always happens where you're on stage you're doing something and someone says you're good at this or you're so I feel weirdly and I don't know if this is like a complex or like my ego or something but I feel like not I don't feel like many people said it to me until after I left until after I left drama school I like I really don't I really there wasn't somebody you ever sat me down and went, hey, you know, you can do this.

When I was at youth theater, I was never one of the golden kids. Rather, I definitely wasn't. But I think that was because I was such an insufferable little shit. They were like, they would, I think they were trying to keep me, you know, just like, all right, calm down, Taryn, you're fine. But, um. We're going to circle back to that. Yeah, yeah.

But, um, I was young. But, uh, I think, I remember, so when I, I was 15, I did a production of a mid-summer-sumonized dream at the Abarist with Art Center. And for those of you don't know, it's a Shakespearean comedy. And within that play, some of the characters rehearse and perform a play. They're called The Mechanicals. And one of those, a minor character who's called Flute the Bellows Mender, he is given, because they're an all-male company, he's given the female

lead and he's mortified he's so mortified and when they gave me flute the bellows mender I was mortal because I was 15 I was chubby I was awkward I was self-conscious you know it's that age where you know that gauge that kids go through where you just you know sometimes you see them in a restaurant you just think oh god don't worry this will pass you you will settle you'll be okay and I was right in that sweet spot so the The idea of me wearing a dress and dancing around the stage. But I remember the opening night, I was in this red tutu cocktail dress thing with a wreath of flowers in my hair, like ugly lipstick, all over my face.

And I sort of sort of skipped out like this. And the audience just fell about laughing. I just thought, oh no, this is it. This is it. This is it. Okay. Right. And everything was abundantly clear to me immediately that I just knew at that moment, but this is what I'm going to be doing forever. Not always in a dress

but there was something about being in front of an audience and yeah, I guess at that age it was about showmanship. It's evolved slightly. I hope now. It's more about, I mean, there's still a bit of showmanship. But, you know, hence me. I was just going to say, yeah, come on. But I think it's hopefully evolved more now into being about storytelling, I hope.

But so that's where, that was the, sorry, that was very, you said we had some time, I'm killing it. That was worth every second. But I do want to talk about the insufferable little shit that you were. So what does that mean? Like, does that mean?

So I think, so I went to a drama school called Rada in London, which is probably a very, Wow, round of a close for a audience here, yeah. You might feel differently if you went. But it sounds like you know, it's quite an illustrious school, and I was very, very pleased and privileged to get a space. But they did tell me, after the fact, they said, we didn't want to offer you a place because we didn't feel you were old enough and ready enough,

but we felt that if we didn't offer you the place, you'd go elsewhere. Which is true, but, you know, I mean, in terms of like harnessing a fragile young ego, it was a little bit, you know. Anyway, but I think I felt like I needed to live up to everyone else because the oldest person in the year was probably around 30, so, I mean, and when you're 19, someone who's 30, it just feels like they're so, so I mean, I'm 32 now and I realize that you say I still don't have a clue, but you know, at that age, they just seem to be leagues ahead of and above me. So I think I overcompensated and I think I was just, I was just insecure. And I think I probably tried too hard, tried to win their approval too hard, didn't own my space enough. And as a result, you know, it's that thing. Like, it's a weird thing that I'm still learning. You know, if you're anything like me, you can have a sort of people-pleasing element of your nature.

And it never gets you anywhere. No one respects it. No one enjoys it. No one appreciates. Neediness is not a... It's just not a... It's just, you know, and at that age, I didn't understand that yet, I think. And so I ended up, you can actually end up hemorrhaging your own energy, and through a desire to please those around you,

you kind of lose your, you lose your power a little bit. And I think I did that at Rada a little bit. And then we did our third year shows, and it all went quite well quite quickly. I got representation very quickly. You left early to do a play. I left early to do a play at the National Theatre, and I felt, and I had imposter syndrome about it. I couldn't work out what was, I had to completely, because by the end of the second year,

I actually felt that my confidence was shot to bits, and I did this show in my third year, and things started to happen very, very quickly, and it took me a real moment to have to readjust and kind of come to terms of it a bit really, and then the following two years. was crazy. So enter Kingsman. So Kingsman is this rare case where Matthew Vaughn, a great filmmaker, I know they were looking at all types of actors of different experience and different name recognition, but there was certainly clearly an interest in at least casting a wide berth.

And I guess I'm curious, first, here's my first question. It was written for Aaron. I was going to say, Aaron Taylor Johnson was my guest. It was written for Aaron. Yeah, it just didn't come together. I don't know the particulars about why it didn't go together. But Matthew wanted Aaron for it. They'd just come off kick-ass.

They have a close relationship. So it was written for Aaron, and Matthew just, you know, wanted to find somebody whose name he could remember, I think. So, I mean, clearly you're in a different space when you get that role because you keep talking about kind of this imposter syndrome, et cetera. By the time you get on set for Kingsmen as the lead as the Kingsman, you have to you can't fake it

do you feel like you were faking it until you made it or did you feel like I deserve to be here because I know you said that script spoke to you and it felt like this was your part I did feel like it was my part yeah I think I knew I knew that the skills were transferable and I'd just done so I'd had a year

when I was out of drama school working pretty solidly I'd done two plays I'd done a TV show that was sadly didn't do very well but I'd had a real I felt like I was kind of learning on the job certainly about camera craft and being on set which I had no experience of at all right so I came to it feeling like I'd at least done something but yeah I mean it was

completely overwhelming I mean Colin's like quite low-key and I found it very easy to sort of he and I found commonality very very quickly but you know when you're looking at Michael Cain and Samuel L. Jackson yeah you know it's like oh my god it feels like I don't know it's like being on the Hollywood Safari or something, isn't it? And Matthew, for those that don't know, I wouldn't call him like a chill director. Like, he's like a tough dude.

No, he's a fucking nightmare. He's a, he's a, I mean, I love him. I mean, I actually, he's like family. But yeah, he's a complete pain in the ass. He's, um, you know. So in some ways the best director. I mean, it's sometimes good to like work for a hard ass right in the start.

You know what, actually, being on Mike now in this space. So imagine you're all me, right? You've just done a scene, you've given it your all, you're a young actor, you're low on experience and you've really given it, your opposite Oscar winning Colin Firth, and you hear this. Tarrant? The fucking thing I can't f-Tarrent, what the fuck was that? Oh, Matt, please. That's a good note.

Yeah. I mean, it tells the story. I love him, but he's like, he's tough and he's straight, you know, and he hasn't always, you know, minded my fragile ego. But here we are five movies later, and he and I, our relationship is as strong as he's ever, ever, ever been, and we love working together, I am totally bulletproof to his unusual directing style. Yeah, I, you know, I feel like with me and Matthew, I don't, that relationship now I am totally, I don't, that's not going anywhere. I think we'll be making movies for a, for a long time, I hope, anyway. Let's take a look at, yeah. This is a scene from Kingsman. I think this might have even been your audition scene. It's a very key scene between you and Colin. Let's see what memories this jogs. Wow.

So before you was a tailor, was you in the army? Like an officer? Not quite. So where was you posted, Iraq or something? Sorry, Egsie, classified. But my dad saved your life, eh? The day your father died, I missed something. And if it went for his courage, my mistake would have cost the lives of every man present. So I owe him.

Your father was a brave man. A good man And having read your files I think you'd be bitterly disappointed In the choices you've made You can't talk to me like that Huge IQ, great performance of primary school And it all went tits up

Drugs Petty crime, never had a job Oh, you think there's a lot of jobs going around here, dear dear Doesn't explain why you gave up your hobbies First prize regional under tens gymnastics Two years in a row Your coach had you pegged as Olympic team material Yeah, well when you go around someone like my stepdad

you pick up new hobbies pretty quick. And of course, always someone else's fault. Who's to blame for you quitting the Marines? You're halfway through training, doing brilliantly, but you gave up. Because my mum went mental, banging on about losing me as well as my dad. Didn't want me being cannon fodder for snobs like you. Judging people like me from your ivory towers

with no thought about why we do what we do. We ain't got much choice. You get me? And if we was born with the same silver spoon up our asses, we do just as well as you. If not better. What the fuck are you doing here? You're taking a piss?

Some more examples of young men who simply need a silver suppository. No, there are exceptions. Come on. Nonsense, we haven't finished our drinks. After you nicked his card, Dean says your fair guy. And you don't give a shit what your mum says. Um, listen, boys, I've had a rather emotional day,

so whatever your beef with Egsie is, and I'm sure it's well-founded, I'd appreciate it enormously if you could just leave us in peace until I finish this lovely pint of Guinness. You should get out of white granddad, you'll get her, and all. He ain't joking you should go. Wow. Spoiler over Colin then kicks everybody's ass.

Yeah, yeah. Was that the audition scene? Was that also... It was one of, yeah. Gee, I forgot, Colin's quite camping that bit. It's good, isn't it? It's good, isn't it? I love it. But it's fun.

I love that because he's about to do, you know, lethal weapon times a million. So it's quite fun to offset it with just a little bit of little twinkle in his eye. I love it. Where are we at on Kingsman 3? Is there still a want? Is there still a need? Yeah, very, very much so. I can't speak for Colin.

I would love to do another one. I think it would be nice to finish off the story. I, you know, have strong feelings about it and ideas. about it, which Matthew will claim are all his. You know, I really think that, I think there is a story where those, you know,

I'm not, it's interesting, I'm not sure that it works, I don't know where, I haven't spoken to Colin for a long time about it, but I do think there's a story where those characters, where their relationship is tested. And I would love to explore that. but

you know it's totally out of my hands you'd have to ask Matthew about it but I would love to do I mean also you know I can't play the boy spy

much longer you know it's like well I was going to say just by the nature of it you would be a man in that you're not happy the kid that you were no that changes the whole story in a way yeah and I think it would be nice to take it to a place where I think it would be nice to take it to a place

where he's sort of where he is he's the man now and you know you know what I mean and um and then and then and then

call it and end the story in a nice elegant way and then you know who knows maybe you could I suppose what I felt when I was younger that I would love to do is no one enough's enough and then there's always the chance then

in 10, 15 years of me doing me doing the column bit with somebody else and that that could be really fun oh yeah you know that would be that would be interesting to me but anyway you'd have to ask Matthew he wants to do we both really want to do it you just want more of that loving attention on set I get yeah yeah yeah exactly so I mean you were talking about the luxury of choice I mean in the wake of Kingsmen you suddenly are up for like these like major franchises and roles I mean reportedly you were up for cyclops for

Han Solo and there are reports that you actually took yourself out of the running of maybe both of those like so that's Yeah I mean it's hard isn't it because it's not

it's a funny I feel like there's an unspoken thing in Hollywood where you should where it feels almost taboo to talk about the conversations you've had that never come to a reality

but I don't care about that no I did I removed myself from both of those from both of those races I did Why in the Han Solo case? Because is it to just feel like too like that's hitting a bullet with a bullet? It's just impossible to... I felt that that's...

I felt that... I mean, I'll be honest. I got on the Falcon. I was with Chooey. I was in the full costume. Well, you got the experience. And I... And do you know what?

That's what I felt like. I felt like I got there. I did it. I lived it. And there was one day. more there was another round that I decided not to do and it's it's far enough in the past now that I feel I can say that I hope it doesn't I hope no one feels annoyed that I have said it but it just felt to me like I didn't feel like you know we you know

you mentioned earlier that thing when I read the Kingsman script and I was like this is I got to do this this is my part I just didn't feel it yeah the person that does this needs to feel like this is theirs and that yeah and can really own it and really, because you're following Harrison Ford. You just do, no one ever wants to follow Harrison Ford, you know. So, yeah, that didn't happen. And, yeah. So time is flying by.

We can't go any further without talking about Rocket Man, which, I mean, come on. What a great piece of work, Dexter Fletcher, directing, Matthew Vaughn, producing. You didn't audition for it. it just comes to you. That's an amazing opportunity when that comes to you. Yeah, that was kind of, you know, that was sort of like one of the first times that really, yeah, I mean, yeah, it was amazing.

I think, although, do you know, we did sit down at Abbey Road and they had me kind of like sing and mock up playing the piano. Got it. And I think they might have been auditioning me without telling me they're auditioning in. Let's just get together and why don't you sing and read lines.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What they said is like, they said, hey, you know the studio, we just need to, We just really want to do this for Paramount. I think they need to see, they need to be able to see what we're talking about. And I was like, oh, right, yeah, cool. It was only after I did it. I thought, I think I'd just been, I think I've just been kind of like sneak auditioned for something.

But yeah. Let's look at a clip again, because this is too good to pass up. Let's look a little bit of Rock. And all this science, I don't understand. It's just my job five days a week. Rocket now. Rock it now. And I think it's going to be a long, long time

Till touchdown brings me around again to run. I'm not the man, they think I am at home. Oh, no, no, no. I'm a rocket man. A rocket man burning out his fuse your pale alone. be a long long time till touchdown brings me around again too fun i'm not the man they think i am at home oh no no no i'm a rocking man And I think it's gonna be a long long time And I think it's gonna be a long one time

And I think it's gonna be a long long time Yeah, that's a special one. That's going to blow down. Yeah, I mean, it was just, you know, an amazing, amazing two years of my life. I just felt like, I don't know, everything aligned, you know, for me and Dexter, after Eddie the Eagle wanting something that. had, you know, that we were excited and charged about for me and Matthew as the producer

and also for this relationship that I built with, with the big man, you know, it was like, it took on this weird quality where we were, I was playing him, but we were also kind of becoming very close friends and also as well, you know, like David, his husband doesn't get mentioned enough, you know, my relationship with him, it was all just this perfect storm,

of just color and creativity and everyone who was there wanted to be there was bringing their A game Julian Dave did the costumes all you know it's just yeah it was amazing are you allowed to still sing

Elton John at karaoke or are you like considered a ringer like I feel like that's cheating you know when you know like when boxes have their hands registered as deadly weapon they take it out of the jukebox when you walk in they're like get it out and they have to because otherwise I'd be

there, you know. No, I mean, you know, sometimes, you know, like, I'm terrible for just singing around the house and in my day-to-day life, but I've had to very consciously say, okay, you've got to leave that material alone now because people have heard plenty, you know? You clearly love to sing. I mean, is that something that's always like you're always on the lookout for another musical project? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely, you know, I, um, there was, you know, I don't get offered loads. Um, there was a conversation around Little Shop of Horrors for a while, Chris has spoken publicly about, but it just... Thank you for reminding me.

So I just spoke to Chris about this. Yeah. And he told me he has the audition tape he did as the dentist, sitting on his phone. Chris Evans auditioned? That's... Thank you. I know. Maybe he was just testing himself. Have you seen said video? Have you seen him singing as the dentist?

No, but it's genius casting. Brilliant. So you were going to be Seymour, which... I was going to be Seymour, yeah. And I played that role when I was 17. sort of, you know that story I told you about amid someone out of stream, maybe 18 months later I did see more, and it was a really special

show. That was a really special show. We only did like five performances, but it was in a theatre probably, you know, maybe half the size of this, so it felt like a proper show and they bought a big ex-professional plant that was really tired and tattie, but they juzed it up and repainted

it, and it looked like it was straight off the West End or Broadway, it was amazing. So for me, it felt like things coming full circle but it just it just didn't it couldn't get itself together it couldn't it just they couldn't make it work

yeah it's a shame it's a real shame I still kind of quietly hope it'll come back around but I feel like it might not let's not go to sad news let's go to happy news although we're going to set the record straight a little bit because I was talking to you backstage

and this is the thing everybody asks you about so let's just get it out of the way Wolverine yeah so there's been talk that you would be perfect I think you would be amazing in this role is there is there a reality what's the reality the reality is there the reality is that I

there's been a lot of like fan casting for it and I took a general meeting with Kevin about four years ago where I said it would be I love the movies I would love to do something and he said it would be great if we could find something. I walked away and haven't spoken to him since. I check my emails every five minutes. But there's no, there was never, you know, in fact, there was a character I mentioned in that meeting, but it wasn't that one. So that puts it in some perspective. So there's no truth, no reality

to it. But you know, I'd love to be a part... I'm a fan of those movies, so... Have you talked to Hugh about it? Because whoever takes that role? No, because I'm worried... I saw Hugh yesterday, actually. But I'm worried that if I mention it, that he'll...

I don't, you know, that he'll think, like... Like, I don't know. It's his role, right? It's his... Until Taran stars, yeah. Do you know what? No, and of course, there's no truth to it. Right.

So, if there was truth to it, I would talk to him about it clearly but there's no truth to it so there's no conversation so I've never felt the need to mention to him I do want to show you one piece of video because you do have two people that are voting for you that are pretty noteworthy in the Marvel universe that I spoke to very recently

can we roll this clip this is the Joe and Anthony Rousseau the directors of Avengers and Game in Infinity World Wow I'm just curious I'm about to talk to Tarron Edgerton he's being talked about as potentially the next Wolverine I mean

I'm sure you guys love Wolverine. What do you think about Tarynne potentially? Does he fit the bill? Do you have an actor in your eye and your mind? I love Taryn. I think Taryn is immensely talented. He's an incredible actor. If you saw his portrayal of Elton John, you know.

I mean, this is a, you know, he has an incredible range. And his charisma on screen is fantastic. Somebody asked us a couple of weeks ago and prepped for, you know, during early press for Gray, man, you know, if you could pick Chris Evans for one part, what would it be? and we joked and said Wolverine because we knew it would be controversial. But, you know, Taryn is truly an actor

who should be playing Wolverine. He truly should be. I mean, he's excellent. Wow. Wow. Joe is going to get a nice gift in the mail. I'm just trying to inch the forward. I'm just trying to help you out, buddy.

Look, mate, you're a star. Joe's lovely and has always been very, very supportive of me. And actually, we had an amazing weekend at Cannes celebrating Rocket Man. And I spent about 75% of my time of those three days getting very, very drunk with Joe Russo. You know, he's, and he and I, I don't know his brother so well, actually, but Joe and I have got a lovely friendship and have tried to. to get a couple of things going that haven't quite worked out, but he's amazing. And that's so, so lovely.

That's, I mean, that's really lovely. Before we, I got a bunch of questions from the audience, but I do want to ask, so you've shot another film recently about the creation of Tetris? Yes. Yes. Sporting an interesting mustache. It's very interesting mustache.

Very interesting mustache. And you can't ask me if it's real because it's like asking a lady her age. I wasn't going to, I wouldn't dare. so yeah that's that's a movie that I shot I actually shot that just before Blackbird oh got it okay but it spent to be honest

because I was doing Blackbird and because of COVID and I was in New Orleans and not able to travel it actually ended up holding up the production on Tetris because we needed to do a few days of reshoots which we did about I don't know a month six weeks ago it's very very different it's very very different to Blackbird

any street cred I've accrued is about to go out the window again. Just going back and forth, vacillating. I love it. But I kind of, that sort of weirdly appeals to me. I don't, I kind of don't really like the feeling of, if I can avoid being put in a box, I'll avoid it. That's part of kind of the excitement of my job to me.

All right, some questions from the audience. Emily wants to know, what's the piece of life advice you've received, what best piece of life advice you've received, and how has that helped you get you to where you are today? bet on yourself is quite a good one I think if you can find because we all have those dark days of the soul where I mean I have them

every few hours where you have little mini crises of confidence and problems with self-belief and actually to be totally honest when I stepped out here and sat here and I was totally totally relaxed about this whole thing felt really really good and as soon as I sat down I thought oh my God I'm going to have a panic attack

I really did And those sort of things happened, and I got over it really quickly, but they're the things, like, I don't even know why I told you that, but like, but, you know, I think better on you, I like bet on yourself because it's like a way of just going, you got, you got this, you know, you'd be fine. So bet on yourself is a good one, I think. So you're an executive producer on this. This is a question from Marissa asking, have you been an executive producer on a project before? I think I know the answer to that, but let us know, I guess, why this? And is that an aspiration to do more producing in the future? Yeah, it is. I don't think it's not, it's not like everything I read to. I'm very happy just with shut up and do your job, you know, and just stick with the acting, let the grown-ups deal with the rest.

But I think when I read this, I felt that I was so excited about it. I knew it was going to draw other great people to it. and I think I felt that I had just thoughts and feelings about other elements of it in terms of how it should be brought to life and I

asked not actually thinking they were going to say yes to be honest but they did and it was great and it's not to be honest it doesn't afford as an actor as an executive producer it's not that it affords you like it's not like your um wandering around set, making sure other people are doing their job or anything, you know.

But you do, it does validate you. Actually, I have to say, I believe there's a great man in tonight who's called Joe Chappelle, who directed half of Blackbird. He's a really great guy, and I'd love it if you could all give him a little round of a ball. But, you know, it meant that certainly when working with someone like Joe or in creative discussions with Dennis or Keri Antholos, who's kind of chief on the ground producer on the show,

it validated me to have, to voice thoughts and feelings about other things. And I mean, I hope, you know, you try and execute yourself with grace and don't kind of try and stick your awe in, as it were. Sure. But it's nice to be, I'm excited by those conversations creatively. And it's just around things like,

you know, I was involved in the casting of Larry, and that was, I've never had that before, but I was passionate about Paul and luckily, you know, other people felt the same. I feel like you never have the same accent in two different projects, so this question is good. Micah wants to know, was it difficult to develop an American accent? I mean, you've done American before. This is a different accent, though. Yeah. You have a facility for this.

This is... I don't know. I mean, I had a guy, you know, I'd love to claim it was all me, but I have a, there's a guy who I work with called Carter Bellamy, who's a really, brilliant. He's a lovely, lovely actor, but he's also a great kind of he's got a real talent for linguistics and dialects and he and I sort of develop the sound together, that

kind of, um, Chicago sound. Yeah, I mean, you sound shit for a while, you know, but it, it kind of grows and develops and you just have to make sure you do enough work before you get to set. Because the thing that, the thing that, um,

what is often not said is that you have to be, you have to have to have done it enough so that you can stop thinking about it. Because if you're thinking about it, then you're not thinking about what the character is thinking or what the character, I mean, they call it pursuing, you know, pursuing an action, you know, or an objective. What's my, you know, what's my character's objective?

You can't, you can't. Why does that go into an American accent when you're a pretentious actor? What's that about? I don't know. Actus just love talking it up, don't know, we love it, we love it. No, but it is getting out of your own head. That applies to all that.

your own head, exactly. So you have to do a lot of work so that it becomes second nature. And then if you are in the really fortunate privilege of having somebody around like Carter, he'll come in and say, hey, you're slipping out of that sound, not quite right. Don't, you know, it's funny. I always remember he'd always come in in between takes and say, it's amazing, but. And you know. Matthew Vaughn should take some tips. Exactly. Matthew could certainly take some tips out of Carter's school of giving notes. says you've successfully tackled several different genres. So the big question for her is, would you want to do a horror film? And do you have a preferred dream director? Wow. I love, yeah,

I mean, I would love to do a horror movie. I really, really, I really enjoy horror movies. Who's on the short list for horror or anything right now? For horror, it would be Robert Eggers or Ariasta, probably. Or I mean Jordan Peel, you know. I feel like they're the guy. I feel like They're the guys who are doing mega, mega interesting stuff. Although I just saw this great movie. It's a Scandinavian movie. I've really embarrassed.

I can't remember exactly where. But a great movie called The Innocence. Has anyone seen that movie yet? It's so good. You've got to watch that movie. It's really good. There's a lady nodding enthusiastically there. So it's really cool.

It's about like four kids who are on, they're on like a, it's like a council estate, or a housing estate, rather, where they live. and they just start to what was that Dane Dahan movie where they started to start and Michael, I think Michael Jordan Michael B. Jordan was in it as well

where they start developing superpowers Oh, Chronicle, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got a bit of that to it, but it's much darker. These kids just start to develop powers. You've got to watch The Innocence. Okay, it's really great, yeah. Let's see.

Sorry, I went off on one then, didn't I? No, I love... You've got good taste, we like this. If you could have dinner with three people dead or alive, who would they be? Um, that is hard. So, uh, so I weirdly felt when Bowie died, I felt like the universe was like lined up wrong because I felt destined to meet him.

He's my, he's my hero. And I, and I, and I have, and I've met comparable people. That's what's frustrating about it is I've met, I've met, I've met McCartney and I've met, obviously, Elton and Stevie Wonder and Johnny Mitchell, all these. these amazing, amazing people. But he was probably top of the list for me. And it, you know, it just, it was like a weird. I mean, as a lot of people did, when he died,

I mourned him, you know, I really did. And it makes no sense. But so maybe Bowie, it's all musicians springing into mind. Come on, Tarrant, come on, come on, Come on, come on. You can just leave two spots open, just have Bowie to yourself, it's okay. I think I just wanted to be me in Bowie.

That's fine. Don't want other people infringe on that fun. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot to talk about. Yeah. All right, let's end with this, a travel tip. Iris wants to know what would be a nice thing to do in Wales in early October.

I mean, you know, important stuff. Okay, I mean, early October, you take an umbrella. I mean, you know, there is truly, truly, Where are you going? Iris. Okay. Just took a turn. Can't take Iris anywhere.

Wow. Yeah. So Snowdon here is beautiful. I'd say if you go up to that part of the country, you can't really go wrong. Am I coming with you then? It's okay. This conversation started with a panic attack and it's ending in a panic. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Snowdoni, if you head that way, there's some beautiful hikes and it's just an incredible, incredible scenery.

Yeah. Excellent. Look, I always love talking to you, man. It's been amazing to see just where the career's gone in the early years. And I look forward to our many conversations in the future. Thank you guys so much for coming out today. Blackbird on Apple TV Plus, another, honestly, exceptional piece of work from Taryn and the cast. Thank you. Give it up for Taryn Hedrickon. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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