Happy Sad Confused - Timothy Olyphant

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

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Couldn't have been nicer. Aw. Yeah, because he's got a rep. He's got a rep. But no, he's cool. As soon as I showed up, he asked if I would sign a headshot for him, And I just thought, this guy's class. Because, you know, he's blowing.

Right now, he's having a moment. Right. And he still was just, he was cool. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Today on Happy, Sad, Confused, I'm Josh Horowitz. We've got another first timer on the show. I've appealing he thinks he's on Conan O'Brien's podcast,

but we're just going to roll with it today. He's a great actor, yet he seems pretty well adjusted. He has great hair, but he hides it under a hat and happens. his roles. Basically, he's a big old contradiction. I'm thrilled to welcome the start of two new series, Full Circle on Max and Justified Prime Evil City on FX. It's the one and only Timothy Oliphant. Josh, how are you? Thanks for it. That was a lovely introduction. I appreciate that and pleasure being on your show. So far. Yeah, let's not get cocky, right? there's a lot to talk about first of all I should say in case people are watching this and there's a sad strike going on we tape this prior to the madness I mean maybe we should take different permutations do we tape the version like oh hey it all got resolved and hey oh hey we're in the middle of horrible strike yeah either way it's bullshit it's bad news either way basically I mean come on you know I mean yeah let's well fingers crossed it we're when the

comes out and all got all got resolved in a way that benefits hundreds of thousands of actors absolutely because i'm not worried about the other group they're doing okay they'll be fine i think they're going to be fine i'm not worried about mr netflix or etc but that's another conversation um we haven't had a lot of timothy's on the show on the mount rushmore of timothy's i feel like it's it's it's it's what is it we got hutton we got dalton we got chalemay those are very very good ones those are very good ones it's a nice i got to i got to spend an evening uh with the hutton uh he i was doing a play in new york and um that he came to and a couple of us went out for drinks afterwards and it was a lovely a memorable evening uh and goes on the list of things

i didn't see coming having a drink with timothy hutton pretty yeah part of my childhood i remember ordinary people turk 182 does anybody remember that movie do you remember that no one remembers that movie well not until you said it it did that wasn't the one that popped up but yeah and yeah beautiful girls um uh yeah i mean so i mean that's towards that's uh not me yeah because he had the he he had what a career he's had i mean just incredible so we just spend the next 45 minutes talking about timid he taps is he taps yeah he's one of 12 amazing stars that out of taps. Exactly. Amazing. Yeah. How do you feel about Chalme being part of the group? Because technically he's kind of more of a timet. He's got on the French version. He's not a hardcore

Timothy. Didn't notice that. Different spelling. Good for him. You know what? Lovely, lovely work he's doing. He's doing lovely work, that guy. Just came right out of the gates. I'm always impressed when someone comes right out of the gates with lovely work just goes right. Boom. Here we go. Did it feel that way for you? You had, oh, you were kind of. I wouldn't say a late 20s is when it happened. Eddie, no, I didn't, I, no, I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't, nothing happened overnight. It was a long, kind of slow, I got lucky.

How many, how many next big thing articles have there been about Timothy Shalom, Timothy Shalmy, about you, Timothy Oliphant? I don't remember any. I mean, not that I pay attention to him, but none come to mind. No, I didn't have one of those careers. So looking back, does it feel like this was the way to go? Like, could you have handled success at 25? I'll tell you this.

I do remember when going to the Sundance Film Festival in 1999 for Go. Yep. And all of us, the cast, everybody in the cast, after that thing screened, we were like, we're going to be huge. We did it. We did it. That was like a rock star screening. And, of course, months later, it came and went to the theaters, it came and went and nothing happened.

But there were a lot of articles about how the cast was like the next brat pack, you know. It was like the next group. Well, and to be fair, it just didn't happen immediately, but no, it didn't have that cast. Thank God it didn't, but it didn't. So that's the one time I do remember a sense of like, oh, we're all about to blow up.

Yeah. I wasn't planning on starting there now, but since we're talking about it. I was just talking about Doug Lyman with Emily Blunt the other day, who I'm always endlessly fascinated by, I've chided with him a bunch over the years. I mean, he's a madman. Let's be clear. I'm just fascinated about both of them. Did that movie feel as chaotic behind the scenes as the electricity on camera?

Because Doug is notorious for creating a very... Yes, there was a lot of... Yeah. Yeah, no, there were moments where, yeah, where you're like, you're in the scene and you're like, Doug, that's my foot. You're standing on my foot. Like, you know, because he's shooting, you know. And I hadn't really seen that.

And literally, from that time, it's the only time I worked with the director who also shot, who also was operator, until, uh, Soderberg probably, right? Notepard. And God, don't get tired of saying that. But yeah, so I'd never seen it before. And there was a, you know, he, he is, yeah, there was. yeah there was also where he'd say okay great let's we're moving on and like well but we we haven't finished the scene and he's it's like oh did we not finish the scene yeah it had a lot of that but

you know it was fantastic um energy you know i think i think i think really half of the battle is just is a is having a set where you feel creative where you feel comfortable taking risks and and being relaxed and and he he creates a really great energy on his sets and it's somewhat chaotic but somehow it's um i i loved it i can just tell you i loved it i loved working with him and um yeah i'm still hoping that another another opportunity to work with him again comes along just be careful he's planning to take tom cruise into space i don't know if you want Doug Lyman in charge of your space travel. The two of them in space.

Could you imagine? That's some strong company. That's a lot of energy outside the atmosphere. Since you connected it to Soderberg, let's start there. I watched all full circle. I devoured it. I am endlessly fascinated by that gentleman. He's been on the pot a couple times.

As smart as they come, he can do it all. Yeah. That must be, look, I mean, you've been doing this a bit, but like to still get the call to be a part of a Soderberg project where he's directing all six hours, must be a gas, must be a thrill. It was a thrill and didn't disappoint. It was a thrill from the jump. I mean, just getting the phone, just getting a phone call that he wants to have a conversation was a thrill. I would have been happy with just that.

It was just great to talk with him for 45 minutes to an hour. I'm a huge fan of his work and he's one of those guys anytime I'm working with an actor who's worked with him I'll say what was that like what was it like for you tell me what he's like tell me I love collecting those stories

about the people that you've admired and respected over the years and yeah no I you know we talk for 45 minutes and and he said to me at some point after a long long conversation about the work he asked me so what's it going to you know what take to you know kind of get you over the finish line and I said Stephen you've been misinformed when I walked in the room

I was like I don't know what you thought was happening here but I mean I can I can do the sexy indifference if you want it but I'm I said I'm in you know you know I was all ready yeah so yeah and then the next time i saw him was on the set we started shooting i walked in and just started i met claire and we started shooting within minutes and um well that's the thing about him isn't it he's like so quick in every conceivable way he's infamous he's talked about this with me and others about like having a cut of his films like the day he's done shooting like he's editing as he goes and yeah he'll edit the scene that night are you watching stuff is that helpful for you do you watch any cuts or no i didn't watch anything i mean i'm

more than i'm i'm i'm a fan of uh i shouldn't say i'm a fan there's certain jobs i do watch playback or i ask to see things um all the justified um during throughout that series and stuff i would watch playback or see or not necessarily playback but i want to see things sometimes i want to see cuts but i'm part of the conversation so it helps And, yeah, I'm just, I'm wearing a different hat on that thing. Yeah, you're an executive producer on it. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, even when I wasn't, you know, I acted like one.

So, you know, I just got involved, you know. Yeah, much of their sugar in. You know, they don't just give you the title in the beginning. They, there's precedent. And I said, well, okay, as long as they know, I'm going to get involved. So where on this one, you know, I'm, it's a different, it's a different beast and he doesn't, you know, he's, he's doing it. He and he's a big proponent of you do your thing, I'll do my thing. You know, I hired you because I like your thing. So you just do that and I'll do, I'll be over here. It's, it's really, which I know in general, that's what's supposed to be, but that's never what it is. There's always a mix. a blend of well do you do you do you do you ever not like being quote unquote directed like to it sounds like

he's kind of hands off he's cast the right roles i thought i liked being directed until i wasn't and then i realized like oh wait what the fuck of my what the fuck of my word i don't want direction this is amazing um i i'm embarrassed how much i thought i needed someone to say after the word cut uh to say something along the lines of that was great right um wonderful you know you you get used to that being the next thing, right? Right, right. Cut. Moving on.

That was wonderful. Or even that was wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Let's do it again. On this one, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it always starts with like, oh, thanks. And on this, you just would be cut. And then it would be just silence. And he'd say, all right, let's go again.

And then you just do it again. And then you might do two or three. And then he'd say, okay, next shot. and off we'd go. And I was like, oh, okay. So next shot means wonderful. That's the code. That's the language.

That's the vocabulary. And there were a lot of exchange of looks. There was a lot of nods. Right. I'd look over and he'd give me a little nod, you know. That was it. This could be a sign of emotional maturity for yourself that you've come to. Maybe at 35, at 30, maybe you would actively need that to fill the hole.

but now you can fill your own hole you know I guess let's let's hope there has been a little growth it's just it's amazing how quickly you adapt to like okay so this is the this is the language this is the new vocabulary yeah I remember a couple weeks in someone

I was doing a scene I come out and get in the car and drive around the block and I came around the block and they said Stephen has a note for you and I was like oh my God I couldn't believe it I was so excited. And then he said, I need you to hang up the phone

before you get in the car. So practical. I was like, that's the fucking note. Come on, man. I was really excited. That's the right actor. Once we were in a car together,

and it was just me and him. And all my dialogue was, is over the phone. So he and I are just in the car together. And I finish a take, and I look back. And I go, what do you think? And he says,

he says, If that was a seven, maybe, maybe a nine? And I said, nine, coming up. Let's go. It's kind of all you need, right? That's my, that's a note I got, three months. That was good. So coming around to the other exciting project that a lot of people are going to be very excited about

because, of course, Justified has become this beloved series. And this, it's been a minute since you played Raylan. I don't know if you always expected to come back to the character, if that was in the cards, but it must be thrilling and exciting to get this opportunity and put them in a different context. I had mentioned it as we were going out, you know, as I said, I think we should wrap up the show. I recall also saying, but hey, may we get the band back together in a couple of years?

That was always in the back of my mind. It was on the table when we were calling it quits. A couple of exciting aspects of this. I'm about halfway through the new series. Let's talk about the other oliphon, though the important oliphon, really. I'm using her laptop to speak to you now. I noticed Vivian came up on the Zoom first.

That's just her way of getting press. She's trying to get pressed. Relatless, relentless. Like, here, Dad, take my laptop. This is her name out there. She's got her prize this one. That's right. There can only be one oliphant at a time,

and she has her eyes of taking you out. I mean, there's already four, Timetys, you know what I mean? They're getting invaded on both sides. So this is her, at least on-camera acting debut. As I understand it, your daughter, your poor daughter had to audition for this. What kind of father are you, Timothy? Well, I mean, any good, decent father knows that was the right thing to do, make the kid audition.

Yeah, look, we saw this coming. My wife and I, you know, look, we used to take. you know when the kids were young that we did the family videos she was she's the youngest of three she was the only one that wanted to see playback so we're like oh i see where this is going right um she's always had interest in doing it uh she did school plays and we didn't allow her to do anything you know we didn't allow her to work but she had expressed interest years ago uh wanting to work And we thought there's too many downsides there. So, and she slowly shifted to her interest to singing, songwriting.

She's an album coming out. She's got, I think she's got a single being coming out today or tomorrow. So off she went to college to pursue singing and songwriting at the, promoting the school. She did one year, Berkeley College of Music. And anyway, we were talking about this. My wife and I were talking about we were going to shoot the show over the summer. And we were trying to figure out Vivian would probably come live with us.

And we were thinking about what she's going to be doing over the summer. She'd expressed interest in maybe taking some acting classes. And she sort of started bubbling back up, the idea of maybe doing a little bit of incorporating that into her studies. And then my wife said, isn't there? a role in the show for like a daughter and I was like what do you think she's like why not

I mean let her try and she is eight you know 18 19 at the time so we're like you know so we brought it up to her you know I said look there's this role first I brought it up to the guy I brought it up to the dinner and Andron I said

look I'm going to say this out loud just to hear out sounds and you guys can Yeah, call me out if it sounds like a horrible idea. It's going to crin, you know, I know it's going to, I just, I'm prepping you, prefacing this with, I know what I'm about to say is going to, but I just need to say it out loud because I hadn't mentioned it to her yet. But I said, you know, there's a, there's a chance my daughter could do this.

And they're like, great. And I was like, I could hear it already. They were like, fuck. I said, look, I'm not, they said, yeah, you know, have her read and send it into Cammy, you know, send in the casting director. So anyway, we called, sorry, there's long-winded, but we called Vivian. We said, look, there is this role, and you would audition, and I said, she's like, I want to do it. And I said, well, just take a second because you're going to be living for the summer no matter what, right?

And if you don't get it, I just want you to take that, take a minute to think of that, right? Because whatever that's going to feel, you'll probably meet the actors who got the role. But I said, you know, they're thinning, it's getting down to like they're getting ready to cast that job. I also knew, selfishly, it's hard role to cast. And with all due respect to young actors, oftentimes they're very actory. And it's tough to get, I started late. And I just remember even going for me showing up at acting school, acting classes. people that have been acting for a long time

it's invariable the bad habits the tricks that have sunk in that are like ooh you gotta get you gotta try to race those you know yeah the instinct to do to do more yeah yeah yeah yeah to do more to you know they know kind of what you know they you know the way they direct kids is to do these little things that are adorable whatever anyway right right yeah anyway

forgive me i'm going on and anyway she was like i want to audition so you know she she um i gave her the scenes i asked her like do you want me to tell you what i would do you want to do your own thing can i you let me know how you want to do it and she's like i know what i know i've watched you know i got it anyway we uh the audition i read off camera with her she worked really hard just for like four or five days she was just she was willing to do like let's go one more let's go one more. And I was like, wow, this is, um, anyway, we sent it in. And right away, I started getting texts, like right away from dinner, from Android.

Your daughter's auditions, like, really fucking good. And I was like, I told you guys, I had a feeling. Um, you know, she gets it. Must be so satisfying to, as, you know, the face of this and an EP to that, now, forget your own performance to see the dailies and to see the cuts and to see your daughter. And this must be. It was so special. So, you know, as I said to them, I said, look, I will tell you this.

It was, I wouldn't have given her, mentioned this opportunity to her if I didn't think she can handle it. Yeah. Now, in the back of my mind, she was, she's still the kid who insisted on going to tennis camp. And then the night before said, I'm not going, right? Right. And I thought to myself, is that still a possibility here? Right. Because that's going to be really tough on, I was like, you can't do that, right?

you can't like night before say no i'm not fucking doing it right um but i said to them like i wouldn't have given her the opportunity if i didn't think she can handle it and working on her audition like just doing the off camera i was like she's really good she and she worked hard she was she was i was like i would i would love working with her like you know i realized that was as i was reading these scenes with her. I was like, if this is what she's going to bring every day to the set, this is a really fun actor to work

with. But I said that, and that's it. I won't say anymore. I was like, you guys, your call, I'm out of it. It's uncomfortable for everybody involved. Okay, I'll make the one other thing, which is like a week or two goes by, and there's no word.

And Vivian keeps going, like, what's going on? And I said, well, then... I'm an executive producer. I'm on all the casting emails. And I know who are like the other eight actresses that are being considered. And I'm not hearing anything. No one's asked me to even look at another. So I think you're the frontrunner.

But they're not worried about losing you to another job like a lot of other actors, right? So I said, it's just going to take a while, you know, because there's no other. It's not like, oh, we better hire or we're going to lose her to this other show. Don't miss Swiped, a new movie inspired by the provocative real-life story of the visionary founder of online dating platform, Bumble. Played by Lily James, Swiped introduces recent college grad Whitney Wolfe as she uses grit and ingenuity to break into the male-dominated tech industry to become the youngest female self-made billionaire. An official selection of the Toronto International Film Festival, the Hulu original film Swiped, is, now streaming only on Disney Plus. Hey, Michael.

Hey, Tom. Well, big news to share it, right? Yes, huge, monumental, earth-shaking. Heartbeat sound effect, big. Mait is back. That's right. After a brief snack nap. We're coming back.

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another show so they have to make a decision let's get some tension some bidding let's get some Bidding more. I was like, wow, Vivian. Yeah, she's smart. I was like, Vivian, we created a monster here. I was like, you get this. I was like, man, I didn't understand that, I think, until my 30s. What's going on here? Got a head start.

Anyway, that's it. Enough about her. No, yeah, enough. No, she's excellent as are you, sir. Another person, an unsung hero, not necessarily a part of this production, but as I understand it, Quentin Tarantino could be credited a little bit with getting this combo happening. Was this born on the set of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? There was a day on the set on Once Upon Time in Hollywood. I, you know, A, I knew he'd watched our show, and I obviously knew he was a huge Elmore Leonard fan.

he um elmore lerner was a huge influence on him as a first book he ever bought i think he stole a paperback of elmore lernard i maybe the first he bought but anyway i i knew that going in so i one day we were uh he and i were shooting the shit and i say listen i got an idea i want to want to just run by you and i told him the premise i was like you know we're having it everybody wants to do it a season there's a lot of to talk but it's hard to get that spark of what that season is going to be and um and i said there's you know city prime evil you know it's potentially available and i was like i i had this idea of like what if we just took a book like that and we just stripped it for parts use the bones and used it as

the beginning of the conversation and he was like that's a great fucking idea you know he was just very excited about yeah no that doesn't sound like him yeah right Well, and it, you know, he, he knew the book inside and out. He was, at one point, was going to make that book a film. He had optioned the rights years ago. So we had lots of ideas and thoughts about what that should have been, the movie. But he was very enthusiastic of like, that's, and it puts some wind in my sales to say, hey, you know, to, you know, at least to go to the guys and say, look, let's do this. let's move this this is um you know just gave me confidence in in the premise um yeah uh so that

meant a lot and then you know and then he almost directed uh um you know his um yeah what happened what was the story he was going to drive a couple episodes oh yeah we were having we were drinking margaritas and i i told him you know i was getting ready to you know a couple months we're going to you know get the he was asking about something about an actor who was unjustified And I was like, it's funny talking about this, because we're getting ready to do the, this, this reincarnation of it. And he's like, what are you talking about? And I said, yeah, we're doing it. The thing I told you.

He said, get the fuck out. And I said, yeah. He goes, when are you doing it? And I said, you know, in a couple months, he's like, could I direct that? I was like, I don't think it's going to be a process. I could put it a good word, but I was like, you fucking crazy. Anyway, so he, he read the scripts. He read the scripts.

He was like, you know, I said, you can't direct the first one. That's already been, you know, Michael Dinner's got dibs on that. And so I said, maybe you want to read him? And so he read him. And he's like, I want to do the fourth one. I was like, all right. He's like, can I read some more? I was like, okay.

And then he said he wanted to do the seventh one. And then so, yeah, it went from, you know, wonderful we were all very excited and then he um his wife was pregnant with their second maybe and that was that is is there talk that was like sorry i can't i can't leave israel when my wife's having a child to go direct your show and so sadly go that's a good one yeah it was a hard one to argue so you know and he's a so it's a good sign for him and his kids and yes apparently he's taking fatherhood seriously. Though he does have one more film in him. Have you read the movie

critic? Is there a part for Timothy in that one? If there is, I will be there. But I know nothing. I know nothing. Okay. And if in one another justified season, because it sounds like you have eyes on more hopefully the open invitation to Quentin, I assume.

You know, I hadn't thought of that, but yeah, it seems like a no brainer to bring it up to him. Try to be early, like, look, you got any kids planned? because we work around the schedule the story. Yes, exactly. Look, you know, he's, God bless him, he's marching to the beat of his own drum. So who knows what he's going to do next?

But those conversations were very meaningful and mean a lot to me to just even be shooting the shit with him about anything, let alone a collaboration. It was, those are very special conversations. And they meant a lot. And he was very, he was wonderful about, you know, Mike, he allowed me to pick his ear on casting and everything.

So it was really fun. I will say in your collaboration with him on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, in a film filled with iconic scenes, one of my favorites, if not my favorite, is the scene where Leo just can't keep it together, preceding his breakdown. And I watched it again last night. I watched it many times.

So special. What I love, I mean, on your side, you know, you have to be a thousand percent locked. or else his breakdown doesn't work. And I'm always just like endlessly fascinated by like how like locked in you are. And that contrast is what makes it work. It's so easy to do because the scene is first of all,

obviously so well written. And everybody knows that when the scene's well written, it makes the acting super easy. That's the first thing. Not only that, the camera, the way he, Clinton's moving, the way he shoots is so beautiful. you're so aware of how

it's just such a work of art how he sets up shots the shots are so specific so everything feels that Soderberg's similar you feel like oh this counts everything counts there's no like we're going to shoot a master then we're punch in

then we're punch in and then we're going to punch in one more time and then we'll see you later what we're going to use no no it's like this is the shot so there's two things going for me right off the bat that make it super easy. And then the second, third thing is I'm just sitting there going, looking at Leonardo Caprio.

And I'm like, this reminds me so much of Leonardo Caprio. You can't help when there's, you know, I haven't had a lot of experience sitting across from a enormous movie star. And he's an enormous movie star. I've watched, like everybody, countless movies. And he has an intensity to him. And as much as I'm aware, you know, I appreciated his performances and that intensity. When you're sitting across from it, I found myself mesmerized by it.

And I couldn't help but think like, this is just like that movie, The Aviator. Like, it looks like his head's going to explode any minute. And I'm like completely not in quote unquote in character. I'm just, just me. Just enjoying the show. It's like, check that, check this out. Like, that's exactly, this is what I've been watching all these years.

That's really intense. Yeah. Like, there's an intensity there. And I'm literally, we're rolling. I'm like, God, do you ever do this? I'm thinking to myself, I don't know if I've ever done this guy. Would I be willing to go that far? Look at it.

he's about to explode like i think his veins are going to pop out of his fucking forehead this guy like it's so easy it's just easy just yeah you know don't tell leo i said that by the way you kept you're cool he didn't he couldn't he's got enough going for him he doesn't he doesn't make me kissing his ass but that's what that experience is like you know you're just sitting there mesmerized by these two giants yeah and just taking it all in And, you know, I show up. You know, I've been doing TV my life. There's one more take.

Let's go. I don't know. It was a good day. It was good times on that set. Very special. Another special scene of yours I rewatch for the first time in many years. You have one of the great, I would call double deaths in horror movie history in scream. Mickey dies not once, but twice.

And it is a great, like, he's dead, but wait, here he comes again. There's that moment. yeah that's what you pay for in those movies i've forgotten that very kind by the way josh i appreciate all that um uh oh yeah daughter's computer's not on silent that's bullshit do you hear that or just me i don't we can edit it out don't worry about god okay go ahead now that's money people love that um that's real stuff do i remember it oh my god i totally remember that day I mean, that whole movie was like overwhelming and exciting. And, you know, that's back, that's early.

That's me just trying to keep my head above water and pretend like I'm not freaking out inside. That was quite a job. They gave me a, I mean, I don't know. I was still maybe lying on my resume when I got that gig. You know, I hadn't really done a lot. Right. And. you know audition at least twice or maybe more to get the gig and and um huge opportunity and then

showed up and everybody on that set was people i'd been watching um you know on on television and film leav schreiber made quite an impression because i was like this guy's a real deal lorry metcalf and crowd i mean and then you know just everybody involved were um it was big and then i remember that day i swear this this is how it worked we we i was doing off camera for a while in the big finale you know and uh we're shooting all of jerry o'connell stuff and nev stuff and now we're getting ready to turn around we have a half you know break and and and he um west comes up to me and says um you know we really haven't we really haven't talked about this you know this last scene he's like um i'm not i'm not sure what you're doing off camera i like

i was like okay it's good for talking about it now then because we're i think we can be ready and we're setting up here in a couple minutes but i remember him saying like you know you know know this killer in that movie we don't really want to do that or this famous killer kind of performance and that we don't really want to do that we want to go like in this direction and I was like I just was like freaking out I was like oh shit like you know I don't know I just remember of being so intense and feeling like I got to get this right but he seemed like a very sweet soft spoken man for the for the crazy stuff he was making Such a sweet guy, but you know, when you're, when you're starting out, like the what he had just, what I just described, what he said, if he said that now, I'd just be, it's just all fun in games, right?

Sure. He would be, that's like your second movie, too. He's super relaxed, but I would be super relaxed. And so we'd just be shooting the shit. Like, you know, I heard what you did. I saw what you did there off camera. I'm not sure I love it. And I'd be like, yeah, I'm not sure that was working for me.

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That you're trying so hard to mask. Anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about anymore, but it was quite a memory. And he was lovely and everybody involved was great. You know, he was great. And I do remember him having that, you know, if I said something like, I'm not sure, you know, I like that. He said that was a good take or, and I remember saying, well, there's this one moment. I feel like I might have kind of had a bit of a hitch there. He goes, we cut to the knife there. Don't worry about that. We're in a horror movie. We can cut to the knife. Yeah. Just cut. We just cut to the Okay, it's official.

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it man was meant for him. You took that. War has it. Fasten the Furious was meant for you. There's an alternate universe where you are Dominic Toreto on your 10th movie. I don't know.

Do you think the fast movies would still be going if you had accepted that role in the first fast movie? I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that no, they would not. No, I haven't seen those movies, but I you know they're enough so part of the culture that I know what they are right and it feels

like part of what makes that he is a huge he's just unlike anything out out there right this is true that is fair I remember think so he's I remember thinking I can't make this work I was like why would I be on this at the time right you know but he seems like they got the right guy. But look, I thought the same thing when I was doing Hitman, and there I was getting paid. So, fuck, who knows? You know, if you'll indulge me,

I'm always fascinated by the roads not traveled for certain actors, those other, those would-bees, could-bees. The war has it. There are two that stand out to me. For you, there is Star Trek, which I'm guessing was, I'm guessing it was for Captain Kirk because I could, as great as Chris Pine is, I could see you being a hell of a Captain Kirk. And there's also the old IMDB thing that has lingered that says you were in the mix for Iron Man. Do you remember either of those?

So I do, I'm always trepidation. You know, I've talked about this in the past. And then sometimes I'm like, you should never talk to about this. Nobody feels good about that you were going to be it or should have been it or whatever. But, yeah, I guess it is what showbiz. There's countless of these stories. here's what i can tell you is about star track i went in an audition for i think like not for captain kirk but i i remember reading with j j abrams and um i i love he just a lovely lovely guy and just

a lovely audition process and somewhere in there he was like you know i may have was audition for doc or something he's like i already got a guy for doc so i don't need you for that but i don't have a Kirk. So there was a, I don't know, here's what I'll tell you. Somewhere along the line, they're like, I got a guy. You know, like I believe it was one of those things where it's like, you know, you know, he might have been prepared to hire me, but they wanted somebody younger and he was having a hard time finding somebody younger.

And somewhere along the line, JJ Cole. and said, I found a guy younger who's a really good. And I have since then met Chris Pine, and I am a huge fan of him, both on and off screen. I love that guy. He is a good dude. If he's listening to your podcast, and let's hope so. He's a veteran.

He's been on a couple times. I've had a, I, this sounds very showbusy, but, but I had the, um, under, we're going to say honor to go to the Golden Globes one year back when it was cool yeah and um that's right they're not even a thing anymore what are they so i don't know if they're cool but we were there and yeah i spent most of the evening at the bar with chris pine and um i just really really adored him what a good guy um and i really like his work he's a uh one of those guys makes it look simple and easy. So they just directed his first movie. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. No, thanks for the call. Is there, was there not a part in there for me? I guess the drinks weren't as meaningful to you as they

were to me, Golden Golden Golden night. Quickly, the actor's mind. See how quickly it just comes right back to what? Got to text somebody. Wait, any reshoes? Fucking, what the hell? At one minute, it was about Chris and then boom, back to me quick. So that's that. I do end I'm a yeah I I auditioning sucks and the fact that I remember those audition the auditioned process fondly says a lot about JJ Abrams and what a good dude and what a one just a wonderful man that is guy is um an iron man anything real to that i will also tell you iron man john favro uh what a classy great guy every i i've i've spent time with him um socially I've now worked with him.

What a wonderful guy. And maybe, I don't know. I mean, some of those, I would have happily suited up for him. And I'm thrilled that I got a chance to work with him again. You did suit up in a way. Just took a little, yeah, exactly. Oh, no, that guy's set me up. I just showed up for one episode and I got a toy for it.

I mean, that's kind of, it's like, how do you do that? When you got cast in that, was it necessary to go back to, like, source material? Like, do you read aftermath or are you just working off of the stuff they give you, like the scripts? The Star Wars thing? Yeah. The Mandalorian? Yeah. I was just worked on the material in front of me.

I mean, you know, John called up and said, we have this thing. And obviously, he thought of me for it and thought it might. be a nice fit and um we got together and and just he he was just a wonderful he's just a very wonderful generous collaborator you know what do you think we want to change it what would you do different how do you want to do it here you've been you know I mean quite frankly he said what you know we probably shouldn't admit which he's like you've played this role before so any thoughts go ahead right but we you know tinkered with it and tweaked it and we had a with it um um um and then just showed up you know you put on the put on the

put on the armor it does all the work well i don't know about that does that does that does that armor feet uh is that as cool to wear as it looks or is it as it as it looks or is it as it as it's pretty good you know that pack's got a little weight to it maybe um but you know listen to an actor bitch uh but i'm gonna tell me tell me that's part about being in Star Wars. Yeah, listen, let me tell you something. I, Mark Hamill had to fly to Morocco

to shoot that stuff. I drove down to Manhattan Beach. I drove down to Manhattan Beach and most of it was in air-conditioned, air-conditioned studio. And so, you know, we've come a long way. So it was a piece of cake and a ball to work with and Yoda he could uh what's it the baby baby Yoda couldn't have been nicer oh yeah because he's got a rep he's got a rep but no he's cool as soon as i showed up he asked

if i would sign a headshot for him and i just thought this guy's class because you know he's blowing right now he's having a moment right and uh he still was just uh he was cool so yeah that was a you know it was a good gig do you do you know your future I know you can't say anything but like Dave Filoni has announced this big like mashup of all the characters in the universes

in a film is there a hope on your part that Cobb shows up in that I'm going to be the lead there's our exclusive thanks this is going this is yes sorry this is really really didn't bury it you went right to it you went sad happy and holy shit

yeah yeah I think that's the plan but, no, I don't, I, if I knew anything, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be, they're very, they keep those secrets seriously over there. They do. Do you think, as we wrap up, do you think the yeses in your career are more meaningful or the knows? Are the stuff you said no to more impactful or the stuff you said yes to if you take stock? I, I mean, I'm going to lean towards nose.

The nose are more important in life in general. than the yeses, for sure. I think the nose are a lot, I mean a lot more. And I think I got lucky with some of the failures. You know, like, I think I dodged some bullets not getting jobs that I thought I wanted. You know,

the yeses are, didn't, persistence, was more important, I think, meaning, right? Like, because I have a lot of bad work, you know, along the way or shitty projects or I've seen stuff that I was in where I'm like, what are you doing, dude? It was like, you're not even trying. You're in show business. And jobs where I just shouldn't have been in them.

I was just, you know, embarrassly miscast. And you think if you're there and they cast you, it's because you're right for it. But of course, that's not right at all. You got to, you got to know, like, no, I can't do, this is not right for me. I don't care if they think it is. They don't care. You can go to the movies, you go watch TV, see people miscast all the time. So it's like it really falls on the actor's shoulders to figure out where they fit.

And it took me a long time to kind of find that like, oh, here's where it works. You know, I haven't felt like I've been miscast in years. was a stretch where it's like you're figuring it out where you fit and you're you're so my point being is the yes is you know that didn't matter i think the nose or the like you know that made a difference because some of the ones like one of the ones you mentioned earlier i think if i had said yes that might have turned me upside down um pretty quick the success of it might have been really bad for me right well the proof is in the pudding of like the projects we're talking about today the opportunity to do justify to come back i got lucky i got to hang around you know i mean

there's a i mean there's all kinds of different and maybe there's like three or four different types of careers but i got to hang around and hanging around is half of it is because if you know you can figure yourself out yeah you know and i never had to deal with like overwhelming overwhelming success. I don't know how they do it. I mean, I honestly don't. It's like, yeah, it's not healthy. I know we're over time. I'm going to let you go on it some rapid fire. You can edit a lot of the babbling out. No, no. I love the battle. Babling out. I love it. Happy second fuse profoundly random questionnaire. Timothy, do you collect anything? No. I mean art I guess

okay that sounds pretentious as soon as I said it let's go back to no what's the wallpaper on your phone oh uh fuck it's gonna be also pretentious it's a it's a drawing by an artist is it terrible I'm gonna forget the artist's name that's a really cool drawing

I'm happy to show it to and so on how do you do the thing where you just get this thing. There's this thing on the side. There you go. Can we get it there? See that? Yeah. Oh, it's like a... Oh, there's a toe? Yeah. He's a really wonderful artist. It's terrible that I blank on

people's names. That's okay. That's okay. So, anyway, I like that drawing. Last actor you were mistaken for. Oh, it's always... It's always Duhamel. Yeah. Tosh D'emal. Doe Mell. God love him. By the way, He texts me the other day and said, you know, I did my Christmas card, first of all,

I told this story before, and we're over time, and I'm still like, I got nowhere to go. So you know he did my Christmas card. Oh, what do you mean? You guys switched Christmas cards or something? We were all, the family was out. This is years ago. We were all out, and I'd never met him, but we always, I'm always being mistaken for him. And I know through friends that he's being mistaken for me.

Right. And we're out, the family. and they say, hey, Josh Duhamel's here. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this is, I've never met him. We've never officially met. So we meet, we're talking, hanging out, and the family's there. And I realize, this is an opportunity.

And so I asked him if he'd do it. He said, absolutely. So he put his arms around my wife. My kids cuddled up next to him. And we took a family photo. Oh. And we sent it out as our holiday card. I love it.

And my mom put it on the fridge. My brother came in. one day to the house and she's like don't they all look great and he says mom you know that's not tim right she's like what he's talking about she goes that's not him that's an actor named Josh Duhamel and she

said I thought he seemed taller my own mother I've told it before he texted me the other day and said he was at a baseball game in Minnesota and they were doing celebrity lookalights with fans in the crowd and he said those fuckers put your face

up on the screen and then Cut to me in the crowd. I mean, I think they knew they were fucking with him, but pretty good. He enjoyed it. So there you go. Okay. Happy, sad, confused. Actor who makes you happy, always?

Meryl Street. Movie that makes you sad. Chariots of fire. Oh, good. The music alone. Food that makes you confused. I don't even know if it makes me sad, but I went to an emotion. Is that really a sad?

Is it a sad? I just, I'm a sucker for that film. It brings it up. I can see it. Yeah, the end, totally. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. And finally, a food that makes you confused. Confused. Yeah, you don't get it. You see it on the menu. What's the deal with that? Oh, that's a good one. Ending strong. How much time do we have? I'm not, I'm just going to blurt something that makes me confused. Yeah, it could be like a, I've had. I've had nominations of Tempora, burritos.

Burritos, make people confused? Emily Blunt said that, and I disagreed. Thank you. I don't get it. But whatever, you know. Did we not say earlier? Was it Emily Blunt and, uh, and Doug Lyman? And Doug Lyman, and you said you were endlessly fascinated by him and I said

endlessly fascinated by them both. You did. This is the reason. Because that fucking burrito answer is like, what the hell's happening in there, woman? She's got ideas. What do you? got so what confuses you what's your controversial food take back to me broccolini oh broccoli not broccoli broccoli's fine but it's the stringy that when it gets all well they just keep wanting they give you more

than you want to you don't want to eat the stem but they keep putting those stems down yeah so it makes me a little like it's just always a moment where i'm like we only want to eat the tops right why do we always give so much i mean it has to be cooked really nice perfectly to eat those stems but they always include like really long stems with the brocolini yeah sometimes sometimes it gets me a little confused because i i feel like that's a lot of green i'm leaving on the plate yeah pearls of wisdom from tim oliphant uh congratulations sir you've made it through your first episode of happy second fused hopefully the first of many uh i will remind the folks out there i've given you enough for two let's be honest this is going to be a mini series um full circle is on max it's it's

Fantastic, an amazing ensemble. Claire Dadez, Tim, Dennis Quaid, the list goes on. Steven Soderberg, Ed Solomon, writing. What more do you want? Yep, really good. You're done deep. I like it. Justified from Evil City.

Fantastic for those that haven't caught up on the justified train. It's never too late. This is an iconic character in a new circumstance. It's excellent as always. And hopefully we'll see more of it. Maybe with Quentin one day, not to be too greedy. Well, well, you know, you talk to him. Tell me what he says.

Josh, it's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thanks, man. I really appreciate the time. Thanks, buddy. Take it easy. Have a good one. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. The Old West is an iconic period of American history and full of legend. figures whose names still resonate today. Like Jesse James, Billy the Kid, and Butch and Sundance, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, and Geronimo, Wyatt Earp, Batmasterson, and Bass Reeves, Buffalo Bill Cody, Wild Bill Hickok, the Texas Rangers, and many more. Hear all their stories

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