Happy Sad Confused - Tom Hiddleston, Nicholas Hoult

Episode Date: July 18, 2016

Josh catches up with Tom Hiddleston while he is in Australia shooting the new Thor film to chat about his Emmy nomination for The Night Manager. Also, actor Nicholas Hoult (X-Men: Apocalypse) joins Josh to talk about playing Pokemon Go, asking Siri where to hide a dead body, and working alongside Kristen Stewart in his latest film Equals. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Get tickets now. Hey guys, and welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. I am Josh Harrow with welcome new listeners, welcome old listeners, welcome people that have been with me from the start. I love you all equally. Maybe I love the ones that have been with me from the start a little more. But there is so much on this week's show. I'm going to keep the intro or intros rather short. I also don't have Sammy by my side to be my wonderful comic foil.

So it's all me you get this week, guys. But here's the amazing news. We have not one, but two awesome guests on the show. Coming up in a bit is Nicholas Holt, who, of course, you know from the X-Men movies, from Warren Bodies, and from the new film, Equals. We'll get to that in just a bit. I'm really happy with this conversation, and I think you will be, too. He is delightful. But speaking of delightful, we have a returning guest, one that we all know,

love. He is, of course, Tom Hiddleston. So Tom Hiddleston has, of course, been on the podcast. He's done a ton of great, absurd sketches with me. And he is now an Emmy nominee. So let me give you a little context. This is a short conversation, 10 minutes, if that. And I just caught up with Tom a few days ago. He had been nominated for an Emmy Award and was excited to chat about it. He had just been nominated. He's in Australia, shooting the new Thor film. And we caught up literally moments after he got the Emmy nomination because he wanted to, you know, revel in his fun moment. And who am I to say no to that?

Always good catching up with Tom. So the conversation you're going to hear first is a little phone conversation I had with The Amazing Tom Hiddleston. I should say he is acknowledged for his great role in the night manager, which you guys should check out if you haven't already. It was very well nominated by the Emmy's ton of nominations for himself and Hugh Lorry and Olivia Coleman and just the whole production. It's a great adaptation of a John La Cerey story, a six-part miniseries for BBC and AMC, but you probably know all that. Suffice it to say, if you haven't seen it yet, check it out. It's great. And I should say also, you know, Tom is obviously very much in the news for a number of reasons recently.

he's rumored for Bond and he's in Thor and yes, he is now apparently dating one of the world's most famous people, Taylor Swift. So we don't talk about that in this conversation. It was brought up partially because it's so in the news he kind of wanted to, you know, I think he wanted to address it in some way and we wanted to acknowledge that this, you know, is a thing. And, you know, there's been so much. speculation out there. So we ran an article on MTV News and I know Hollywood Reporter also had him talking about it briefly. You're not going to hear us talk about Taylor Swift in this. That wasn't my agenda. That wasn't his agenda. I don't really care that much to talk about

that kind of thing. And I don't think he does either. The quote he gave me was, I think, you know, simply to nip it in the bud, hopefully and hopefully not like turned it into a bigger thing that it already is. So suffice it to say, this conversation is about the night manager. It's also about Thor. He has some wonderful things to say about returning to the character of Loki. It's not about Taylor Swift. So if you came here for that, move on.

And I hope you guys enjoyed this brief catch-up with one of my favorite guys, Tom Hiddleston. Hey, Tom, Tom, it's Josh. Hey, hey. How are you, man? How are you, my friend? Oh, I'm doing okay, but I'm guessing you're doing a little better. Congratulations, my friend. Thank you very much.

I mean, we... Thank you very much. Excellent. Yeah, it's a good time, even though it's 3 a.m. in Australia, I have to say, you know, we knew that Tom Hiddleston was a master Thespian, a master impressionist, the King of the Dance for the Internet's boyfriend, but now you're also an Emmy nominee. So congratulations. This is a new new...

on the bucket list. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. It is 3am in Australia and I have been on set as Loki all day and then do back tomorrow but it's but the news is good, good time. It feels good to be an actor. I like to think that you're sitting in your room dressed in full Loki regalia enjoying this moment. I'm not, sadly. You're ruining the illusion. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm ruining, I'm ruining everybody's delusion, yeah. No, it's, but it's worth staying up for.

Yeah. I'm so, I could not be more delighted. I'm so proud of the night manager. It's, it was a huge undertaking and an enormous labor of love. and one of the proudest achievements of my short life and career and made some very good friends on it. And I couldn't be happy. So I'm just so pleased that it made a connection to people.

It certainly did. And obviously, it's got to be great news. I don't know if you're aware, obviously the show itself got nominated. But so great that both Hugh and Olivia got. And, Olivia, yeah, and Savannah as well, which is amazing, which is just wonderful. It feels like it was a real team effort. We shot it over 75 days, four countries, 15 weeks, 360 pages. And for a espionage thriller, for all of us to keep track of where you were and,

And to try to translate the subtlety and nuance and brilliance of LeCarray's writing onto the screen with a huge kind of collective and collaborative endeavor. And so I feel that for Hugh to be nominated and Olivia to be nominated and Susanna, who was, who kept us all in check. It's just thrilling and so proud to them as well. And it's also, I think, exciting in that, I mean, I don't know if it's too big a leap to say that this was a risk for you, but we've talked a lot about the opportunities you've had in recent years. And certainly film would seem to be your priority. Theaters there, too, of course. But to make a leap and to spend this kind of time and commitment on a six-part TV show for BBC and AMC,

did it feel like you were taking a risk, taking a left turn, or was the material just that compelling and the company you were keeping that much of a no-brainer? It never, it honestly, it never felt like a break in continuity. It felt like the most exciting script to come across my desk for some time. And I jumped at the chance after just reading the 60 pages of episode one. And the combination of John LeCarray and Jonathan Pine and the partnership of the BBC and AMC and Simon and Stephen Cornwell and Hugh Lorry was an extraordinary prospect. And it delivered on every expectation and exceeded those expectations. It felt, and I think it's, I mean, I said this before,

but I think audiences distinguish more between film and television because of the experience of watching them is so different. Right. If you go to see a movie, you go to a cinema or a movie theater and you pay a ticket and you sit and watch it, and then you go home and catch the bus or drive home. And, you know, whereas when you're watching television, you can watch it on.

television or on your iPod or on your computer or you can binge it at the weekend and and so the experience of watching both media feels very different for the audience but for an actor the experience of actually making it is the same right it's you're still playing characters telling stories um trying to find the best most efficient most exciting most human versions of the particular truth you have to portray so it never felt like a left turn at all will you I know as we said and so it turns out

it's been one of the most exciting terms yeah clearly yeah the um as we said super late over there I'm sure you're dead tired and you're just getting going in production on Thor

I know you're a consummate dancer though was there any dancing at the news will there be dancing tonight are you saving it for later in the week what's happening how do you celebrate

there has been no dancing tonight um yeah um loki's loki's taken up all used up all my juice for that but but maybe maybe maybe they'll be dancing yeah i did a little kind of i think i did a little sort of shake of happiness totally um there were there were rumblings they were stirring um but they didn't uh they didn't fully express themselves in explicit dumb moods, to rethink. And briefly, I know you can't say much because you're just getting going on Thor, but stepping back into Loki's shoes,

was it easy? Is it exciting that you're getting a chance to play this again? And I want to know if you're getting get some revenge, you're playing off as it not only Chris, but Ruffalo, who the last time you encountered the Hulk, was not so kind to you. I hope Loki gets a little bit of revenge.

Yeah. Well, yeah. what can I say about that it was it has been incredibly exciting to get back into character as Loki this week

this is my first week on the film and it was more exciting than I expected to get back into it again I haven't played the character for four years and once I'd gone through the transformation

that I have to go through which is not done by me it's done by my brilliant collaborators in hair, makeup and costume but after two hours of putting there and then looking in the mirror and seeing this guy staring back at me I was like, it's like

hello darkness, my old friend and the script is absolutely brilliant Taika Waititi is, I can see already, the most bullion and, you know, spirited leader and his set is enormous fun. Yeah. And there is, you know, Loki has a few things to say about what happened. I would hope. I would hope.

With the Hulk. But I don't want to spoil things. Of course, of course. Always fun, catching up with Tom, one of our favorite guys. Always welcome to the podcast. And happy to say I'll be catching up with him in just a matter of days. I'm heading to San Diego Comic-Con. He's going to be there for Kong Skull Island, along with the entire cast, really.

Brie Larson, I'll be talking to her as well. So I'm excited for that. I'm also excited just generally for Comic-Con where there's a ton of cool stuff. And you guys should really just, you know, if you'd follow me on Twitter, Joshua Harrowitz, you won't be able to miss it. But suffice it to say, I'm going to be doing an insane amount of interviews with pretty much everyone you could want to hear from at Comic-Con from Thursday through Saturday. Even Wednesday night. Wednesday night will be on the red carpet for Star Trek Beyond a film I've seen and I enjoyed, really fun. And we're live streaming on Facebook.

I think pretty much every interview I do, or as many as we can. So, you know, keep a look at on MTV's Facebook page, MTV News's Facebook page, my Twitter feed. We're going to be going live on Facebook with the Red Carpet for Star Trek, for interviews with pretty much everyone you could imagine that's going to be at Comic Con. It seems like it's going to be quite a party. So I'm excited for that. Also, really excited. This is one of my favorite interviews for the podcast we've done, period. partially because I think it's going to surprise a lot of people.

Nicholas Holt is, of course, it came to prominence first in About a Boy. He was that kid next to Hugh Grant singing, killing me softly in the end. And then, you know, started in skins. He grew up before our eyes, turned into this strapping handsome dude and is now, you know, a big movie star. He's obviously in the X-Men films. He is in a new film that I highly recommend called Equals from director Drake Dremus. And starring, of course, our good old buddy, Kristen Stewart. You guys should check it out.

It's a small movie, but it's a very emotionally powerful one, very well done by all the participants. So you should check that out. This conversation with Nick, I say it might surprise people because I've gotten a chance to interview him a lot and get to know him a fair amount over the years. And I've always said to people, he's a lot. I think on screen he projects, you know, a certain personality that maybe doesn't come through in interviews all the time. he's a super funny, super dry guy that I absolutely adore. And I think this will be a fun conversation for you guys to hear because you're going to hear a more relaxed Nicholas Holt, a more casual and just funny guy than I think a lot of people expect. So really honestly, one of my favorite absurd conversations.

It's basically 45 minutes of two morons just nerding out and having an inane conversation. But hopefully that's enjoyable to you. I think you'll enjoy it. So check out equals. Stay tuned for all our coverage at Comic-Con on my Twitter feed. And I never remember to say this. But please, guys, go to iTunes, subscribe to Happy Sack and Fused, and rate and review us. Those things really help.

And I should remind you guys more. But if you could, spread the love, I'd really appreciate it. In the meantime, here is Nicholas Holt. Your Pokemoning, your Pokemon, you're Pokemon, okay, we're recording right now. We're going to record. I want to capture your Pokemoning. Well, it's stressing me out right now because it keeps on crashing on me. So I catch the Pokemon and then you get like the two shake wobble on the ball.

I don't know what you're talking about, first of all. And then it freezes and now I can't. We're catching, we're catching Nicholas Hold on. in the mid-middle of really, I don't know, this is a sad moment in your life, I feel. Like, you're playing Pokemon Go. I'm stressed out. You're stressed.

Yeah. How many days have you been doing it? How many days are you on the Pokemon kick? Yesterday was my first day. Well, essentially, since I was like nine years old. I collected the cards. With a 16-year break or so. Yeah, I took a bit of time out.

It kind of went cold turkey on it. It was a lot, you know, keeping all the shinies in order and all that sort of stuff. I was never Pokemon. I'm practically a different generation, so I don't really have the Pokemon thing. What was your own phases? What were you are? I had a little, like, Sonic the Hedgehog, that kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah.

I was that. I remember playing Sonic on the Sega. Yeah. I always did the Sega. This was my problem, man. I had Sega Master System, I had Genesis. I had all the wrong consoles growing up. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't get a console till PS2. Wow. But I played my brother's PS1. Yeah. Silent Hill. So wait, is this now, first of all, man your mic man. like a professional please could you bring it in thank you sir um no it's okay

it's all good like this like a Freddie Mercury stuff exactly whatever you want whatever you want um I couldn't tell how sensitive it was so could you hear a word I was saying yeah of course we captured it all but I want them to hear in vivid detail your your um tips for the Pokemoners out there has it added something to your wife the last two days

uh yeah it's got me out and about more I've made new friends it's amazing how many people you see like playing it But it's actually, I was thinking about this this morning. I feel like it's a negative, like the poor celebrity folk like yourself. You can't do it as much as other folks because it's all about getting out and about. You can't be like strolling the streets. I was on the way to a bar last night and I was rolling down the street and then I found, oh, what was it, a wild something around? But there were like three people already there trying to catch it and they're all huddled around trying to catch it.

I was like, yo, wait up, I've got to get that as well. And then like, and then you carry on your merry way and you have like nice little interactions through it. Because, you know, no one cares about anything but the Pokemon at that point. So it doesn't matter if you're mildly famous. You were told that you were coming in to talk for 40 minutes about Pokemon today, right? You were prepped? Yeah. Okay, good.

I'm ready. What is it filled in your life that was there before? What has it replaced? What obsession was there two days ago if I talked to you? What was your most used app? What was your most used app? I didn't really, oh, I had this. app that was a, I was going to sound maybe weird, but a meditation app.

Really? Yeah. Into the meditation now. I'm really into it. Are we meditating right now? I feel like you just started. Maybe podcast interview is not the best place to meditate. Even thinking about it.

I'm like, it just takes 10 minutes. You don't mind, right? No, it's right. Everybody meditate along with us. I've never meditated. I don't have that spirit. I don't have that kind of personality. Let's turn this into a meditation app instead.

Give me a first tip on how to meditate because I've literally never meditated. I don't do yoga. I mean, look at me, I'm a mess of a human being. The thing about meditation, not a lot of people don't... He's a soothing voice. It's not about clearing your mind and not thinking anything. It's just letting the thoughts in, and then when you feel you're thinking about something,

a drifting way, letting it go and return into your body. Wow. Do you have a mantra? No, but I had to learn a mantra for the film I just finished, the J.D. Salinger movie. I had to learn a mantra for that. I can't remember it right now. You've flushed it out of your mind. But it wasn't in English.

Okay. So why do you need, you seem to be such a chill, dude. Every time I see you, it seems like always right in the world. You calm me down. It's because I'm so happy to see you. But normally I'm freaking out, dude. So that's what you're here today. I'm your meditation.

You're essentially my shrink. It's okay, Nick. Happy, sad, and confused all the emotions that I need to talk about. It's all good. So that's good. You're done with your work. I was wondering if you were still shooting here in my hometown. No, no, no, we're done.

We're done. We're finished. How to go, man. You played, yeah, you played J.D. No, don't say that. Don't say that. It was fun. I enjoyed it.

I really enjoyed it. Big challenge. I mean, that's quite a... Yeah, but you know, that's why we do it, right? Not why I do it. I'm trying not to challenge myself in any way. No. I'm joking.

No, but enjoy. Have you shot stuff in the city before? No. No. I shot one day kind of for, for kill your friends. It was kind of guerrilla style. Uh-huh. literally just ran in just grab a little camera and we like just ran around the city for the day

I don't think we had permits to be perfectly honest I probably shouldn't talk about it yeah in fact that didn't happen I don't know what you're talking about it was weird because we'd walk down these streets in Chinatown and stuff and they'd be like okay and it wasn't there was literally a camera director of me and like two other people and they'd be like okay and now go into that to go into that long room out or bar whatever it was and hang out in there but remember that you meant to be really wasted this part of time so kind of be a bit obnoxious or whatever it was kind of like performance art suddenly where I'd roll into these places You're Sasha Baron Cohen.

And you could see, like, you could see people be like, hang on, first of all, what's that guy doing in here? Because he's well out of place. And then, and then being wandering as I walk around kind of like trying to make stuff look like it was perhaps good for a shot. Right. But knowing that there was no sound. So just talking random stuff or asking directions to somewhere. And then being like, okay, and acting quite drunk and then mooching on my way again. Well, it's good at least.

I mean. But then also then walking back out and then being like, okay, do it again. We missed it. And then it's like ground dog day for those poor people. They're like, wow, that guy's nuts. It's a big audition for your future prank show. That's going to be another phase of your career. I would love to do a prank show.

Are you a big prankster? You're the era parent to Mel Gibson back in the day. He was the guy. Did you do good pranks? Yeah, but now it's like Clooney. He's infamous for his pranks. Right, okay. Are you a prankster?

That's like the worst question on a junket. What pranks did you pull on each other? But are you actually that kind of person? No. No, I don't really do pranks that often. It takes a lot of planning and prep. Normally when I'm at work, I'm kind of thinking about that. Depending on the films, I don't know, like on the bigger films, when you have more time and there's like your smaller roles within and then you can have.

You were, you were a victim of a prank according to a recent interview with Jennifer Lawrence talking about your lactating problem. Oh, yeah, my lactated nipple. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, that was a surprise to me. I didn't know that they did that. Got some interesting texts back about that one? Yeah, I'm actually starting off a cheese business. anyone who's interested

mixed cheese we should pass it on we should text our buddy Kristen Stewart right now what's pranker what should we say oh could we prank what's she doing today she's in town she's here Cafe Society premiere tonight right yeah okay what could be a good prank

we could play on her your eyes are bleeding you just found Josh Harwood's dead in his office can you help me hide the body I just killed Josh Harwood if he missed me off during an interview There's a Pikachu here, too. I've got to find it.

Can you come take care of it? Please, please. How would you get rid of a body in New York? Oh, that's a good question. And I've lived here for my entire life. You would think I would know. Have you asked Siri? Let's try it.

You've done this, right? No? You can ask Siri to get rid of a dead body. We're going to try it. I don't know if my connection. Okay. So what's the question? Where can I have the body, I guess, say, Siri?

Where can I get rid of this dead body or something like that? Why is it not working? Let's do it on your phone. Yeah, let's see if I... My phone has an anti-murder app. When did they put that in place? After I started murdering people. Exactly.

Hey, hey, Siri. See, what's going on? Siri hates us. Where can I hide a body? Dead body. Siri is really reticent today. Oh, she just says very, very funny. She used to come up with like dumping grounds

things. Really? Yeah. I'm sorry, this is lame now. No, that's okay. It's a good rabbit hole to fall down into. That's okay.

We'll cut it all out. It's all gone. Very funny. Serious becoming super socky. We should have just texted Kristen. That would have been a better way to go. Speaking of Kristen, this is a great movie. We should hype a little bit of equals.

We've talked about this one in the past. It's finally getting to the masses at large. Yeah. This is, I mean, you know, there are ones that are more, I think, close to your heart than others. There are ones that turn out better than others. It's safe to say this one actually, not actually, but this one turned out well. You're happy. Yeah, yeah.

This one's very close to my heart. Drake's, Drake de Riems is a wonderful filmmaker and someone that I loved working with, just his style and approach to the work and what it means to him and how he wants to tell stories. It's, it's very, he keeps a very fluid, free motion way of working, which is great as an actor. It kind of keeps you on your toes, but also lets you explore things. And you don't have to hit beats and do scenes as a, were um and working with christin was wonderful she's like i mean you know as you know like super talented and smart and like on it and just really cares yeah plus in that scenario when you've got

to be doing improvisation and very intimate and close with someone you want someone who you know you can have a laugh with but you also trust and feel safe with and right you know those are all things with her that we were able to to capture so similar some more kind of techniques or attitudes about the work i mean i've i always talked about this like i was finding endearing in a way that like Kristen always talks about having like such a bullshit detector that like if she like does a take that she doesn't like she'll just like literally say out loud that that fucking sucked like she can't control herself yeah no that there was that yeah she'll she'll she'll she'll she'll she'll bail out midway through the midway through the take and be like no this is

bullshit I will like I'll know it's bullshit but you'll keep going but I'll keep going and the persistent little beat um so I like so I finish it and then go that was bullshit by the way guys well not always though not when it was like 30 minute takes I wouldn't like screw up three minutes in wait until we had 30 minutes gone and then be like guys I'm sorry I got by the way

that was BS let's go back to the start we can push lunch right no one's hungry do you find though that like does your approach does your technique like change with each film dictated by the director you're working with and the actor you're working with or are you kind of like the same actor on each project

in a way. Do you know what I mean? Well, it depends. I always, I always go into each job being like, this is the one where I'm going to be super serious. And everyone's going to be like, wow, look how serious and prepared he is. Like Daniel D.D.Lewis 2.0. Unbelievable. D. Dale Lewis. Here he is. And then inevitably after a few days of that, then I, like, have fun to hang out. A couple fart jokes and it's over. No, but it does, yeah, it does very massively depending on the job, on the character and on the director and the environment that you're working in. So I kind of, I don't have any set techniques, I guess.

When you, and when you see something like this, which is like, I think I told you after I saw the film, it's a really emotional and powerful film and it really works. Your interaction with the material must be so much obviously different than an audience member. But like, are you able to kind of lose yourself a little bit in this one? Or like, what do you see when you watch this one if you have watched it? What do I see? Well, first of all, the film's incredibly beautiful. Yeah. John, Adip and Drake and everybody just create this world that you look at and the photography is so beautiful.

You're like, wow. And then the way he bleeds colors into it and tells the story through the emergence of that. And when the character start awakening and feeling things and then how the camera moves, that obviously blame me away. There's odd moments where we'd be improvising for long takes and you'd forget that you'd done something. And then you'd see that in the film. And you'd be like, oh, wow, that kind of wasn't acting. that was just like a little piece of me that I threw in there and that's now there which is odd

because you often don't have recollection or certainly don't have memories or intimate moments like that played back on large screen except for that documentary crew that's trailing you right now at all times for the life project on Nicholas Holtz can you imagine I'm in a documentary team following around the whole time

it's your worst nightmare probably it'd be horrible for them then he's so bored at my life He's playing Pokemon for a six-hour. They're just constantly seeing me nearly get run over, be freeing for my life, and then me like sit in a hotel room. Should we just let him die?

Oh, no. This is kind of a dystopian future, much different than the Man Mac style. More utopian almost. Yeah, that's true. It's kind of everyone's kind of getting along. Although it's quite a sad place in many ways to look at it, you know, there isn't any love or wonderful joy in the world.

but there's also no hatred or jealousy and the bad thing so it's kind of you know that's an interesting aspect of the film that kind of you have to take the good with the bad i think and lots of people have asked you know would you get rid of any emotions i don't think i would yeah even if they're bad would you no it keeps it interesting yeah you got to feel it occasionally got wallow in a little bit of sadness do you uh big uh are you a very expressive person you think Do you naturally fly into, like, tears, rage? Are you, like, what gets you going besides losing a Pokemon in the middle of the street? I can't even concentrate on this right now.

I don't know I've got to open it up and see if I'm caught it on. Don't. Don't do it. Pay me some respect for once. I'll lose to pay you a lot of respect. No, I don't think. Does like a sporting match get you screaming at the television? I used to.

I remember crying when England got knocked out of the World Cup against Argentina in 1998, I think it was. I was very upset then. I've cried over baseball games when I was a teenager. I've kind of rained it in a little bit. I'll cry like the stupid sentimental things. Right. It'd be like a dog commercial or like a movie or what do you know? I'd be weeping.

Or any time I want airplanes normally, I just break down in tears the whole time. It's true. 11 hours straight of just like wailing. It's good. He's like, shut that kid up. It's me. He's an adult. He's a very tall adult.

But yeah, no, I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm particularly, I'm kind of pretty mellow, I think, emotionally most of time. It seems like also it's an elaborate ruse to get you just to wear the same clothing for a couple months, this film. Yeah, well, I like, I like films where I get to wear the same costume throughout normally. Yeah, that's what that's more simple. Exactly. 10% of your brain is just not occupied with your... And you're not changing all the time. every day. It's like, great. You know what you're putting

on. It's kind of like putting your pajamas on every day. Oh, people can't see, but you're actually wearing a beige sack right now. Just like a big, like... The potato sack. Yeah, it's weird. Did you cut those arms slits out yourself? Or you like... Scratch it. And it smells like old potatoes. It's because it was actually used to. Oh, really?

Your own or someone else's? I found it on the street last night. Really? You're living your best life, aren't you? Go to the best bars. You found all the hot spots in New York. I feel like... How much do you edit this down to, though?

It's not going to be edited at all. It's not going to be edited. I mean, unless you say, like, a horrible thing about a politician that could sue you or something. You want to say something? They can't sue you for saying horrible things yet. That's right. It's America. Yeah.

I'm not going to... Just in case... We're just waiting. I can't afford it. So, wait, are you going to relocate? Let's have you as a New Yorker. Why not live in the city? Uh, yeah, okay.

Wait, do you live in London? Is London home? Crash in your... There's not much room. My wife, I have to talk to her first. Should we get her on the phone? Oh, I tell her. Who's that guy in our living room?

We'll sit in our pants all day, playing Xbox or PlayStation or something, sit there. It actually doesn't sound so bad. I'll make your sandwiches. Do you make a good sandwich? Yeah. What would you put in, uh... I'd put, I'd get three pieces of white bread. Oh, wow.

Super fluffy. maybe thick cut and then it's got to be like lettuce tomato bacon some turkey um some mustard in there it depends what no that's good i was good you haven't said anything you know the thing about a sandwich that people often forget yeah please that's what you want to you want to put all being serious guys yeah you want to put a lot of salt and pepper oh yeah you got a season yeah because you think you don't think of it like not like no you would season like a chicken breast if you had exactly you know season your sandwiches

people I hope that's the title of this life lessons with Nicholas Hall that's what this podcast is called but is London home or L.A.? North London's home

where did you grow up did you grow up in the city proper no I grew up an hour west of London in the countryside and was dreams of the big city were you aching to live in a city

is that's a like are you more of a city guy or a country guy I kind of vary between the two I love been in the city. My area of the city is pretty quiet, so it kind of feels like you're,

like if I'm in the rush of things. Right. Like when I was in New York, I lived in Williamsburg, which felt a little more relaxed and chilled. So it didn't feel like you were in the city the whole time. Otherwise, well,

in London you have all the cordoned off gates and stuff, like that whole like six acres for your, for your giant place. Yeah. The palace. Yeah. Yeah. The armed guards at every.

Morning, queenie. Oh, were you actually at the palace? Yeah, I have a room. They don't advertise that But if you go on Craigslist Yeah That should be surprising and easy To get in that

Um The dumbest podcast ever It's saying a lot The Michael Shannon one By the way Was about 45 minutes of I mean you know the man Let's talk about Michael Shannon for a second

I love the guy You worked with him Yeah He's insane But he's so great He always looks like he's about to kill you I was like this guy hates me He does

That's everybody Yeah I was like, yeah, I don't know how to make him like me. But he also, I find, in my experience, he doesn't do much to disarm you. It's not like he, like, I think he almost like revels in the fact that most people are afraid of him. Yeah, but a lot of people would, like, go out of their way to be like, don't worry, don't worry. You get that sense that they're trying to be intimidating or they want you to do that. And then they're instantly not.

Right. You're kind of like, okay, well done. Yeah, I can't wait to see you in an action movie. Right. Super. Whereas, yeah, Shannon's just really, like, mean looking. Did you ever get comfortable with him? Yeah.

Yeah, we'd hang out in the Indians after work. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, okay. And then I realized that like 50% of what he says is actually a joke, but he just doesn't deliver it as a joke. Right. So you aren't sure. He's the driest man on the planet.

Yeah, exactly. So you sit there and you're like, oh. And then once you cut, you know, click into that, it's good. And then he was very protective of all of us. It was myself of L. Fanning of Cody Smith-McPhee in that movie. And he became very protective over us. It was quite sweet. Amazing.

Yeah. And I always enjoy watching. him interviewed by other people that like just don't speak Michael Shannon they don't understand what wavelength he's on yeah and they're just they walk out of like the junk of room and they're horrified have you got any particular highlights from that from Michael yeah oh my God honestly it's my favorite podcast we've done because it was like just 45 minutes of non-second dry non sequiters right but he's uh yeah but I I enjoy the uncomfortable awkwardness with him no I wish I could recreate

No, you're doing well. We're halfway there. Not that you're like watching the clock. Six minutes to go. You can't call office him. Thank you. I'm glad we didn't have to go up to that place that I saw you last time. I saw you last time of at Times Square. Oh, yeah.

It's a nightmare to go up there. It's the worst. Yeah, no, we moved down here where we moved down here a couple years ago and it was the best move ever. But yeah, this is the child's office, basically. It's cool. We've got a lot of great stuff. Thanks, ma'am. What's your favorite?

Oh, my favorite? Do people normally bring gifts in? No, yeah, you weren't told, where's my gift back? I'm looking around, I'm saying a lot of gift. Can I have the hat that you brought? Yeah, I got some headphones. I'll take whatever you got, man. Oh, what's the business?

That's just my past to get in there. I don't want that. I can't really do that. Wait, what's, are you, I think one of the last times I saw you, not one of the last, but like in Toronto, we dub smashed. Are you over dub smashing? Oh, no. Is that come and gone?

No, I've got, what have I got now? I mean, I haven't got any, like, large production ones, like. Like the X-Men? Like I gave you. I think I did Steve Coogan one the other day. You did some Steve Coogan? Yeah. I feel not well-versed enough in Coogan.

I'll be honest. I feel like I should know more of his great work. Like, I haven't watched Alan Partridge. I don't. You haven't watched Alan Partridge? No, I know. I know. I'm an idiot.

I know. Oh, dude. What about, so none of the Alan Partridge? No. The trip? Yes, the trip and the second one. Oh, okay. Yeah, they're great.

Yeah, yeah. But that's a tip of the iceberg, I feel like. Go back to Alan Partridge. It's so funny. I will. maybe go watch alpha papa the movie oh that's right yeah that came out of years ago yeah okay it's an easy inn sold and then you can go back and watch the series and be like ah this is where it all what's what what are your comedic uh what what what films do you consider perfect comedies in your

life uh in my life perfect comedies uh going back old school i would i would be like mrs doubtfire um drive by fruiting classic yeah God, I got to meet Robin Williams Nice Where he said to pass away He was the nicest guy Yeah And he'd like seen a film that I was in and was like

Yeah, you were writing that Amazing I spoke past I was like awesome You're like my childhood era And Flubber as well Flubber Film doesn't get referenced enough

I don't think Flubber I don't know if I can support you on this one my friend Really? It's been a while Maybe Flubber is worth a revisit Yeah, that's We can watch that While we're eating sandwiches

for your house. Hey, honey. Big day again. Oh, God. My wife's going to move out when she sees the flubber. No, because I was thinking Kugan,

I was thinking I was watching Little Tropic Thunder recently, and that is such like an amazing movie. Yeah, it is. I mean, Super Bad's kind of the ultimate comedy. Super Bad's amazing.

Yeah. But then I'd go back and, um, I mean, one of my first. films as a kid was the mask, isn't it? Mosque is good.

I still. That's weird. If we replay that, you'll notice that I just said the mask as the mosque because you said the mosque. Which was, which sounded absurd coming out of my mouth.

The mosque. Mosque. You're so bushy. So, anyway, we're so all over the place. Let's talk early goings on in the life of Nicholas Holt.

I'm holding the microphone like I'm a rock star. first. Okay, so like you of course, okay, we have to talk about a boy thing. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You're sick of it. If you could, if you could do the following. If you could destroy every photo of you from About a Boy, would you? Are you proud of your look in that film? Are you happy? I mean, you're adorable. I wouldn't destroy every photo. No. Okay, okay. Have you sung, um, uh, coming me softly in public since about a boy? I, um, yes. Strangely, this happened when we were filming, um, when we were filming, um, when we filmed skins in bristol we used to go karaoke like once a week i remember one time i was sitting there it was like in a chinese restaurant and you'd sit there and then suddenly i remember hearing and i hadn't i think the only other song i'd sung at one point was like four of us singing uh an arctic monkey's song and then i heard and next up the voice wasn't like that and next up on the microphone nicholas holt killing me softly and i was like oh no i don't think that's at my surname either

embellishing this all right yeah and there were 4,000 people there and I was like and I grabbed the mic and I was like it's my time no I sat on no bano came up when sang with me it was really weird I refused we're all there I was like yeah I refused for a while and then so my friend mike who had put me up to it who had like put my name and he started off and then the 4,000 people were like cheering going wow they were like we want home we want home I like crowd surf all the way they front kind of like actually surfed standing up right like laying down standing up you're so committed to this

that I got to the front and uh and I nailed it and they gave me a grammy for some reason while I was doing karaoke I didn't know that was possible people were crying I remember looking out and like our grain was there

I was red and with her Etta James Nina Simone they're all there and they're going you got this kid you're the future awesome I decided not to pursue it no I feel like that's a good way to go out how do you top that yeah

my video footage remains of that unfortunately but I would feel that that is a constant danger now if you do I don't know if you're a constant karaokeer or a occasional karaokeer by the way it's very difficult to say we went when we were filming this actually we went when we were filming Equals

because we were in Japan so it's obviously karaoke capital oh sure yeah and I went for Algarine yeah it was bad it was not as good as the other memory it wasn't it wasn't like one of the ones

in a big bar so didn't have the 4,000 capacity there was probably worse for the people in there because like the noise was a lot more intense and close to them like I can't hear a note I don't think I remember seeing Kristen's face

just looked shocked to me like wow it goes real bad what did Kristen sing she didn't she didn't sing she's smarter than me interesting I've never karaoke it's just not in my It's not in my DNA.

We'll get a karaoke game by house as well. We'll get one of the dance games as well so we can learn routines. Oh, good. We can stay in shape too. We should get crack. Good with Toys R Us after this and trick out the place. I would love to go to Toys Ross. I haven't been there for a while.

They closed the one in Times Square. It was the only good thing in Times Square left was a Toyzer R Us with a giant Ferris wheel. Did they close that? Yeah. It's gone. I know you were planning on moving to Times Square. As soon as you move in, by the way, it's closed. I need to more close to Toys R Us.

To be close to a playground and a Toys R Us. That doesn't sound exactly right, sir. No, no. Not after the incident in 2014. So you have some downtime right now. You're done with the wonderful J.D. Salinger project. You're hyping the great equals. I don't know if anyone out there is looking for part-time help.

I'll write you something. I can go out. Perfect. Thank you. Let's do it. We can finally get around to doing all these funny, hilarious skits that you do with all your New York. There's literally a board. Oh, my real friends. There's a board in here with, I don't know, 50, 60 names of all the wonderful actors that live in New York.

And Josh loves to do things with. I'm just saying, make the cut. We've done about 200 sketches since I've been at MTV. You've not been in one because you don't like fun or me or just letting yourself go. Yeah, I mean, they dragged me here cooking and screaming. In your potato sack. What it is? Are you, are you good with downtime?

Do you like a lot of downtime or do you, are you like itching to get back on a set? I, um, I, I, I, I vary. Normally what happens is I tell my agents that I never want to work ever again, if possible. And then like, does the industry agree? Are we on the same page? Yeah, everyone's like, stop him. And then like, two weeks later, I'm ringing him. I'm like, guys, what do we do it?

Right. I'm going to work. No, do it the way you actually do it. What am I paying for you for? One of the last messages I sent my agents. was a group message and I sent him saying can I do a film

with Tom Cruise please they didn't take it that seriously though were you being serious I was being deadly serious why not he's great yeah exactly I was being deadly serious and like one just didn't even respond

I don't even know if he's still my agent haven't had from him in a while so it's got an AOL email address it's not a good sign the other one was like yes what's brought this on and I was like

just watching Days of Thunder at home just thinking just saying they're doing nothing because I'm unemployed because you guys haven't got me a job I'm going to start peppering your inbox with all sorts of trash now I've got some spare time on my hands

let's let's uh okay let's figure out your Tom Cruise film well what are you his protege yeah you're he's passing on the reins top gun two top gun two amazing he wants the new top gun two he does he does cool

it's crack on would you like to be a fighter pilot does that sound appealing to you I'd love to be a fighter pilot. Okay. I'd like to at least go up in a jet at some point in my life. I think a lot of people throw up though and pass out and stuff, didn't they? Right.

Right. That wouldn't be such a great movie. Are you, so maybe that's the first time. Yeah, you have an arc of a character. It's called Act 1, you're constantly throwing up by Act 3. You're saving the day. That's perfect. Are you susceptible to throwing up?

No. Very good, very good constitution. Yeah. Good for you. Thank you. Yeah. See, again, this is the roommate situation is not going to work out. When you're going to throw up?

What's your signal? What does, what's the signal? When the bile starts to come up my throat. Right, but you don't get a pre-winning? No. I mean, I would say I throw up like once every like two years. Like, it's pretty infrequent. Right.

And I'm not like a big drinker and partially because I have such a low constitution. Like I'm drunk after two drinks. It's not a good scene. Yeah, yeah. us living together is going to have to be you to kind of build up my resilience to alcohol and liquor. That's going to, yeah, we'll get around to that. That's not going to be difficult.

Okay. Good. Morning. What are you pouring down my gullet? Whiskey. Got this warm, warm ale for you. And we're both wearing potato sacks by this point. Yours is a little bit too small. So it's kind of like accentuates every curve.

Just a t-shirt. The Landerpans. So, such a bad image. I mean, it's a great image. It's getting hot in here. No, no. Oh, crying. Losing listeners by the second.

What have you done tomorrow? It's not listed by this point. No, they're gone. They tuned in. They were like, who? They're like, no. I want to hear a thoughtful conversation about equals. That Michael Shannon one sounds good.

I'm going to listen to that. So you don't know the next gig. Except that you're going to be doing Top Gun 2 with Tom Cruise. Yeah. Um, what's X-Men's future? Do we know that? I saw Kinberg last night, actually. I should have asked him.

Yeah, he was at the, I went to see, um, Nerve, which is a pretty good movie with Emma Roberts. And my boy, Davey Franco. Dave Franco, yeah, yeah. He was actually just in for the podcast last week. Really? How did that go? I mean, a little more professional. Yeah.

I'll be honest. A little thought, more thoughtful. I'll be honest. But more entertaining? I don't know. Okay. Actually, every warm body's per... I feel like I've seen everyone.

Cordry was in this building the other day. He's a funny guy. He's the best. Yeah. I've had a tough time working with him because he was very funny. He corpse a lot. That's when you take pride in, I would think,

warm bodies, despite the box office so that was maybe lacking. It's turned into like a... Good at the box office. Did it really? Oh, yeah, we made that movie for not very much. Okay, good. I think it made it worldwide over a hundred million.

Why are you yelling at me? I'm sorry. Because, like, you just made it sound like film that as in wasn't a success. No, that's the film, that big bomb you were in, that what you destroyed the studio. We won't talk about those now, but let's not make the other ones that did do well into bombs as well. All those X-Men failures, all the, no, I love Worm Bodies. I got my facts incorrect. For the record, Worm Bodies was a financial success and an excellent film. Thank you. And I think it was reviewed, critically acclaimed. I think they

all hated it, no. Yeah, probably. No, it's not true. You know, who's going to check out? Who's still listening? Let me live in dreamland um do you count that of the best moments in x-men history was when brian singer did you ever hear about when he lost his voice no he had something went wrong with his nodes or whatever or something so he had to talk like this so he'd be directing us like this but he came in where's a scene when it was i can't keep that up but it was a scene when it was myself you james and jen and like it's all us i don't think it was a scene that ended up in the movie in days of future past and all discussing like what we're gonna do and ah this is

terrible and then it was Jen's taken there was a there was a his direction was basically like do the lines do everything more like you're living in a fantasy land like like you've got to get real right so he just poked his head into the room and all you heard was you're living in a fantasy land at which point everyone was like what you're living in a fantasy land you can't take your boss seriously no he's squeaking neck like instantly everyone's just breaking down and being like this is over

cut what was what was the the audition for beast like did you have to exhibit beast like characteristics uh yeah was that a happy memory no you know what we were down in australia and we were about to start mad max and then it got delayed so I rang my agents

my agents that I now don't have guys guys I said it was a similar sort of text to normal need a job it's been a while and they said get on tape for X-Men tomorrow so I went in

and they were like oh do this scene but do it one time do it in the style of Stewie Griffin so I was like hey Stewie from Stewie Griffin from family family guy yeah

so I was like okay I did that I said this is weird and then I got a phone call like three o'clock in the morning Australian time being like you need to get on a plane they're going to screen test you tomorrow so I flew back to London

and I screen tested and I thought it had gone horribly and I had to fly back to Australia that same day I was like that sucks I didn't get a chance to really get into it and I was like well damn them damn and the person that I was with doing the screen test I thought they'd get they'd got the job

it was generally she did end up getting the job as well but they were like it seemed like she was getting it she was asked to talk to them afterwards and stay and all this and they were just like threw me in a car and back to the airport so I was fuming I remember bringing my agents again And I was like, that was a lot of, BS. And they were like, well, there's a meeting for another film in town that they're interested in you for.

And I was like, nope, not doing. I'm going to the airport. I'm going back to Australia. I landed in Australia and they called me and they were like, yeah, so you've got to go back again because you're going to be doing it. And I was like, oh, God, damn. No, I don't want to do it. It's stupid. Really?

They want me to do it? Okay, I'm sorry. Are you a good auditioner? Is that like the work? Terrible. Really? Oh, yeah. I had some zingers.

I get really nervous. Worst audition. I can feel my face like buzzing. I'm feeling the same thing right now. You're just trying to look normal and listen to the other person and you're like, just self-aware knowing that it's not. Worst auditions are normally when there's some sort of accent involved that I'm not. Like I went into audition for Prince Caspian.

I walked in and they were like, okay. so do it in what's the accent that you kind of had I don't even know what they is there specific to Narnia accent there is to that character it was Ben Barnes my friend yeah doing it but it was

Antonio Banderas sort of accent okay what's that technically I don't Hispanic okay okay I think he's all of accent sure yeah okay okay and Banderasian let's say a Banderasie and they said Venderesi

that was the time more Banderasian I was like Like Puss and Boots. Right. And they're like, yes, based on that. So I was sitting there in my head. I was going, before I said every line, I was like, Puss in Boots.

I didn't say that. I was like, poos and boots. And then I'd say the line, I'd be like, Hey, you've come to you, to none. Oh, my God. It's got better. It's a little bit of a Dracula. A little blah.

Yeah, exactly. If I don't know, I either do American English or Transylvanian. You should be, you could be a good Dracula. Yeah, they're going to bring that back soon. Well, they're doing it. Actually, the monster, Tom Cruise, is in a mummy movie. They're doing this, the monster cinematic universe now. Javier Berdem is playing Frankenstein.

Yeah. Russell Crowe is playing, I think he's playing Van Helsing. Yeah. And you are going to be playing Ramble Stoker's Dracula. Let's hear it. That was me with fangs. I have a drink, your lad. Never mind, I take it back.

Sorry. I mean, it's a work-up progress. Yeah, no, he's a workshop. Well, workshop, yeah. I'm not going to live in a back cave for like a few months, come back. Do you, so wait, are you, what's your attitude right now about, I mean, you really, not just lucked out, obviously, you earned it, and you honestly, in an earnest way, delivered a great performance in Mad Max. I know, you're like, wait, he's being serious. But, oh, wait, the fuck my little Mad Max posters.

I'm obsessed. Oh, you didn't get one at me? No. That probably isn't one. Those were gifts. I like you a Frank mask as well. Oh, yeah, I love Frank. But to see that become, like, not just, like, a good film, an amazing film, an instant

obsessed over film, like, people have tattoos, people, I'm sure, like, people quote the lines, etc. Tattoos. Like, witness me written on them and stuff. It's crazy. What do you, when you see when someone shows you a tattoo or something, what's your... It's a really mixed feeling because I'm like, I'm like, wow, they must have really liked it. That's really cool.

And then I'm like, oh, God, I don't, they don't, like, regret that. Oh, boy. Sorry, in 30 years. So it's like that makes thing where I'm like, oh, that's awesome. And then I'm like, oh, no. So, yeah, as long as they don't regret it, then. Do you have any tattoos? I have no tattoos.

Have you considered seriously ever a tattoo? Yeah, I went to the shop once to get one. Really? What happened? It was closed. And I asked the guy, I was like, where's your other, like, place that you can get tattoos? And he was like, this was in South Africa and he was like, it's over 20, miles away or whatever and I had to get a flight so I was like yeah so what were you gonna get

a few of the guys that were on mad max got like these three dots got it sort of thing so I was gonna get them massive they got them really small but I was gonna get them just massive dots on your arm massive dots like across my body just get the whole knucks look yeah well it was originally when we were originally gonna make the film it was gonna be a more of a tattoo look and then when we revisited it a few years back yeah run, then it was more about scarification, which was kind of less seen, I think, a film's more interesting, better at day. Is any regret that poor old knucks didn't make it if there's, if and when George gets

around to doing another one? Yeah, because I had a blast play in him. But also, it's kind of the perfect ending for M, so. No, you had the biggest arc arguably in that film for. Yeah, it was lucky. It was a good role. Amazing film. So, anything else in the can that we're going to be talking about soon?

What else is coming up, man? I did that movie called Sancastle What's that one about that Scott Sancastle was in a wreck war drama 2003 Okay Yes I do actually have notes I'm looking at notes I do have notes I do

Q cards Look have I looked at them once I'm just seeing what else is coming up for you In case you forget Yeah San Castle at some point Oh the Xavier Dolan thing too I want to ask about Maybe maybe we'll see Okay

Yeah this is really to ground to a halt now, isn't it? No, okay, let's talk about, let's talk about Pokemon again. How about this? No, there's like bits and pops in the work, or what happens with the hat? You're gonna, you're gonna pick it?

No, you've got a better hat on you. Pick out a question or two. It's a random question. This is like, does it normally get to this at this point in this? It does, actually. It does? Yeah.

Okay, so it hasn't just dried up so much that you're like, no, this is a natural arc of a conversation. Look, I... This isn't a natural arc of a conversation. When are you out normally and you're having a conversation? You're in like 20 minutes fast

So you whip out a hat with random questions and throw it on the table. That's how I do it's what you do at dinner. Kind of. It's kind of a good idea. I might steal it. Because the amount of times I sit there, I'm like, well, that's everything. How about this weather? We steam you out there.

So I ask you this question? No, you were going to ask yourself. God, man. Should drugs and or prostitution be legalized? Oh, you picked out the perfect question. Only at the same time. Only in moderation. Everything in moderation.

That's what my nan says. Is that right? Everything in moderation. Including moderation. That's your motto. You've got to do whatever the hell you want. She's like 96 or something. Wow, good jeans.

That's worked for her. Yeah, that's her motto for life. What's your motto for life? You know what? It's not really a motto. I don't know. Melissa, one of the Vulvallini ladies in Mad Max,

the lady that has the bag with the seeds. Yeah, yeah, sure. She, me and her would spend a lot time just sitting in the truck because we were like the last two left in it towards the end right we're about to crash it and it took a long time to film so we spent hours and hours and days sitting in this truck chatting um and she'd had a very interesting life and was a wonderful lady and she told me her the bit of advice she gave me was uh it's very simple nick she was like all you have to remember is love and be loved come on and put salt and pepper on your sandwiches

we were having a genuine moment and you ruined it nick So, but yeah, the first part of that It's actually very important in life And we're a potato sex Good and in urine whenever you can Oh my God What a stupid conversation But it's good to see you my friend

It's good to see you Equals is a great film The revision, check it out It's much more serious But also much more emotionally heartfelt You're going to feel something As opposed to this conversation I'm very proud of

And proud of everybody's work in it And I hope people, you know Well, the thing that Drake always says about it is you kind of turn your minds off and open your hearts when you watch it. It's all about feeling. Yeah. So we're in a world where no one feels. Exactly. Irony.

Yeah, no, as a cold-hearted, horrible human being, it even made me feel something. So that's an accomplishment. Good. It's good to see as always. Good, too. Let's get onto that couch at your house. Crack on with all the things we've got to be doing. Okay.

Off to Toys R Us, we are. And I've got one question. You can answer another. Sure, let's do another. Best vacation you've ever taken. I went to Cuba. Is that right? Yeah, went to Cuba, did a lot of salsering.

It's a great time. Yeah, is that recent? We did have a little bit of a language barrier where my friend was downloading this app before we got on the plane for like learn Spanish briefly, but we only got like the animals module and like a couple of different question modules

very quickly before we went. Right. And then obviously we didn't actually learn anything useful. We just learned this phrase, which was Donde Est de los Pingueros, which is, where are the hot penguins? Because we were like,

there's no penguins here. You know, this is ridiculous, but it's kind of like stupid juvenile humor whereby if you meet a Spanish person, you can't speak Spanish after like, Ola, Ola, Kamistan, all this,

then you can just throw that out there. It's a good icebreaker. They're going to love it. And it did. We made people laugh three days. We were rolling around, jumping into cabs, saying this to everyone like here we are we're like comedians

in England check out our best gag and then my other friend was sat by the pool on like the fourth day reading the the cuba tourism book and uh and there was a little section on sex tourism and it said uh female prostitutes in cuba are called los chikas male prostitutes are all called penginos and something like that and he stopped and he looked at us and he said what's that phrase we've been saying that dusty he's like oh boy We're going to have a bit of a reputation

to Cuba. We've been asking where all the hot young rent boys are for the last four days. We need to get you to a doctor. Get rid of all those VDs now. That sounds to be where I'm heading. So many life lessons. Phrases not to use in Cuba.

Season your sandwiches. And go sequels. Yeah. This should actually end it now. I've got nothing else. talking about. Have you got anything? Why are you making it weird now? You'll be ending the podcast in a weird way. You should end it. It's your job. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. On the count of three.

But do you want to say anything else? Is there anything else? Closing thoughts? No. You're one of my favorite people. I'm glad we finally made it work. And let's do something stupid. Even stupid or in a scripted form maybe next time. Yeah. Yeah. Deal? Probably better for me to have a script. Master of the Improv Arts, Nicholas Holt. Let's get out of here. Very good to see you. Thank you. Hello, hello. This is Nagin Farsad, the host of Fake the Nation, where we talk about politics, we talk about news, and we have a laugh. We were laughing. Every week, a cast of my funniest smartest and most politically astute friends.

People like John Fugel sang, Liz Winstead, Dean Obidala, and others tackle all the major issues, like climate change. America leads the world in people who think climate change is fake, but pro wrestling is real. Guns. I started calling the NRA, the AK-47%. Fillebuster? I don't even know her. Okay, that's not a major issue, but it's a really great pun. Guys, fake the nation is all the comedy about politics without any of the politics about politics.

Fake the nation. This has been an Earwolf production, executive produced by Scott Ackerman and Chris Bannon. For more information and content, visit Earwolf.com. American history is full of infamous tales that continue to captivate audiences, decades, or even hundreds of years after they happened. On the infamous America podcast, you'll hear the true stories of the Salem Witch Trials and the escape attempts from Alcatraz. of bank robbers like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd, of killers like Lizzie Borden and Charles Starkweather, of mysteries like the Black Dahlia and D.B. Cooper, and of events that inspired movies like Goodfellas, Killers of the Flower Moon, Zodiac, Eight Men Out, and many more. I'm Chris Wimmer.

Join me as we crisscross the country from the Miami Drug Wars and Dixie Mafia in the south, to mobsters in Chicago and New York, to arsonists, kidnappers, and killers in California, to unsolved mysteries in the heartland and in remote corners of Alaska. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music, and there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. Find Infamous America, wherever you get your podcasts.