Happy Sad Confused - Toronto Film Festival Special with Timothee Chalamet (Vol. II)/Elisabeth Moss

Episode Date: September 13, 2018

It's a special edition of "Happy Sad Confused" straight from the Toronto International Film Festival! With Josh running around the fest talking to dozens of actors and filmmakers, we present two conversations, one a familiar guest to podcast listeners, one a newbie! First up is Timothee Chalamet! Almost precisely a year to the day after they first met, Josh and Timothee talk about the young actor's eventful year, his new role as an addict in "Beautiful Boy", and the prospect of starring in Denis Villeneuve's adaptation of "Dune". Plus, Josh sits down with Elisabeth Moss! Best known for "Mad Men" and "The Handmaid's Tale", Moss hit Toronto with a bold performance as a punk rocker in "Her Smell". Moss talks about her musical theater ambitions and gives a sneak peek at her upcoming film with "Get Out" director Jordan Peele.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. Today on Happy Second Hughes, Timothy Shalmay and Elizabeth Moss, two memorable performances in two memorable films. Hey guys, I'm Josh Horowitz. I am in Toronto, Canada, and so is Sammy.

Confirmed. We are officially... They let us out of the country. In the land of Tim Hortons and Looney's. We've warned what a Looney is. One dollar. dollar coin. One Canadian dollar. I learned what the sixth refers to. You didn't know.

I didn't know. And you still don't really know. I can't name a Drake song. I'm going to be honest. I know. But you like have a different reason for why it's called the six. You've been like the area code, the zip code. Okay. You just name different codes. For context, we have been talking to a thousand people for

MTV as always at the Toronto Film Festival. Maybe my favorite festival of the year until January comes around and then I say it's Sundance. But for now it's Toronto. Favorite festival that happens around the Jewish holidays. Exactly. And yeah, so we've been playing a little silly Canadian kind of trivia game, and part of it is, what does the six refer to?

And clearly, I don't even know. But anyway, the important part is we've been having a lot of fun, seeing a bunch of movies. Yes. A lot of famous people. So many famous people. Just on the street. I saw Vigo Mortensen, walking around in denim.

I win. I saw Ted Danson and Mary Steenmer. Okay. Okay. And we've been talking to a lot of cool people, two of which we're going to share with you today on this special little edition of Happy Second Fused. I say a little because they're shorter conversations. Just for context. So not in terms of height or anything. Because Timothy's actually pretty tall. Elizabeth Moss isn't that tall. But yes, these were video interviews for MTV that we're sharing the audio of. So for some context, they're shorter. They're about 15 minutes each, a little bit less even. And maybe you might miss some of the verbal cues, for instance, in Timothy Chalmay, there are awkward handshakes and strange awkwardness from Timothy and me. It's a reason to go watch it. Exactly. So you can enjoy this on the treadmill or in your car or wherever you are.

But then, for further benefit, get the to a computer screen. You can watch it. Watch it and enjoy it. You should watch it without sound and then listen to it and see if you can sync it up. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. That's what I'm going to do. So, yeah, later on the podcast is Elizabeth Moss. We'll talk about that in a second.

But for now, I just want to tee up Timothy Shalame. You know him, you love him. He's, of course, been on the podcast before. He's in the new film, Beautiful Boy. This is a heartbreaking performance. He plays a young addict. His dad is Steve Carell, and two exceptional performances. I mean, the whole cast is great, but those two in particular are amazing.

I would not be surprised to see Timothy Oscar nominated again. Important notes about this. Yes. When Timothy Shalameh walked into the room. Why do you say it like that? He's French, and that's the right way to say it. Then you should say Timotee, which is the official. Timotee Shalamé.

Okay, okay. He came in and he shook every person's hand. This is true. Except for me. Classic Radcliffe move. I was at the end of the line, and I missed it. But it's fine. But you're special now.

Well. He was too intimidated by your presence. Timothy, come back. But he was really lovely wearing a bright Hawaiian shirt that he changed into for you. It was an exclusive. Yeah. It was exclusive. Yeah.

And he was great. He was in good spirits. Kind of, you know, if you've heard interviews with him, if you've heard the past podcast, you know the conversations with him go all over the place in the best possible way. But I really enjoyed catching up with him. It's been exactly one year since actually I met Timothy when it was him in Army here for Call Me By Your Name. So a great pleasure.

I remember that, of course. A great pleasure to catch up with him now. So much has happened in the last year. I know you guys are going to enjoy this. conversation. So I guess without any further do, enjoy this one. On the other side, we'll tee up Elizabeth Moss. But as always, one quick reminder, rate, review, and subscribe. Happy Say I Confused. Do it for Timmy. Do it for Timmy Tay.

And check out Beautiful Boy when it's in theaters. I think it's October 12th. Let's go with that. October 12th. And enjoy this conversation in the meantime. Chalemay, hey buddy. Hey, I was just saying, this is our one-year anniversary. This is our one-year anniversary, although I feel like I've known you longer. Well, we're old souls. Oh, we're missing an army, we're missing a hammer. We're going to make do.

Congratulations, man, on the film. Thank you. Beautiful Boys, the film, it's moving audiences like no other film. It's powerful stuff. Thank you. Let's talk first, just, I'm curious, like, let's take the temperature a year later, since we first met how your life has changed, because you've been through a lot. You went through the whole crazy.

ride, the award circuit. So what's changed, what hasn't changed? Like is the cell phone number, has that changed? That's a good question. Yes. But, you know, I guess things have changed. The best thing I could have done for myself was work on a movie right after all of it and that was really the healthiest thing to do. I worked on an adaptation of Henry V that Shakespeare wrote and both literally and metaphorically got back in the mud and that was a really smart thing to do when I got to work with Joel Edgerton and Robert Pattinson and Sean Harris and a lot of actors I really admire and

and but besides that I don't know I often say I don't want to sound cheesy but it's true but like really I just feel full of gratitude and last year was an amazing thing to be here and I was here with three films last year and it was a lot of fun talking to you and being there with the army but it was all very new and I didn't quite know how to do it in every space spot was new and every person I was talking to was new and then just a year later now I can kind of not relax because I'm still a mess but um but like I don't know I feel like I feel like I know you in some way so don't for a little high five there sorry raise my hand awkwardly sorry and I left you hanging master of awkwardness that's my title yes um um excuse of awkwardness uh the co-captains

of awkwardness. It's curious, like, the whole fame thing is insane. And, like, you've had to deal with, like, an unusual amount of it in a different, like, way. And it's funny, like, you mentioned working with Pattinson.

Because, like, you know, I've experienced watching this with people like him, with your buddy Ansel. Like, there's a certain kind of fame that you've dealt with in the last year. Has anyone given you kind of good advice?

Or is there, is that something that you can take advice about? I don't know. I feel like, again, I feel full of gratitude. for it all. We did the premiere of our film last night and it was pretty crazy and I, if anything, I just feel like

suspicious of how much I enjoy of it and, uh, and... Good, you don't want to be too shaded one year into the... Oh, no, no, I feel, um... You know, I've, like, just working with Steve Carell on something or that's the first thrill is meeting artists and people on the music side, on the film side

of, that I've... that I'm fans of and, like, getting to work with them. That's crazy. Um... And I think there's a certain, like, guilt or self-loathing that comes with being in projects that you yourself as an artist don't find the merit in or the worth. And then I guess maybe people will stop in the street and you feel like self-loading about it or something. But I don't have that because I'm really proud of what I've worked on and like call me by her name and Lady Bird. Those were two movies that were made on a very small

budget. And I don't know. I got into acting and I did a play in New York called Prodigal Son three, four years ago. And I've, it's a beautiful thing. written, it deals with like the assent to adulthood of a young person who like things intellectually and I thought we did a good job and nobody my age really came to see it. Understandably too because the tickets were not really affordable for young people and like I just kind of was starting to get this impression of like wait a second is acting like am I getting into opera here like ballet or something? Am I foraying into a medium of art that is like wearing its welcome or do young people not like movies as much as I do or acting or whatever.

And what was amazing last year was I felt like, no, like audiences are yearning and are thirsty for films that feel like urgent and relevant. They can emotionally connect with it. Yeah, they can connect with and not the same, literally, not literally some of the same stories that we see done again and again and again. And to that point, I wanted to say one more thing, that just that, Uh, yeah, I, uh, I, and that's, that's the, I mean, I think of like Reda Gourweig or the Saffty brothers or Luca or, um, you know, people that are making movies that are told in

new ways with like, and, and, and with patterns of storytelling that are not patterns. Right. You, you, you, you don't sit down and go, okay, these tropes lead me to believe it's going here. Sorry, I'm rambling. No, no, no, no. No, no. I'm, I'm curious because, like, this film, uh, obviously deals with addiction and in a way that very few films I've ever seen have

in a very, seemingly very realistic way. And one of our longer conversations nearly a year ago was sort of about kind of, to reduce it to a simplified way, like kind of staying on the straight and narrow and not like wasting your opportunity that you've been given. And I'm curious, like, did that,

because you had already shot this film. And did some of that mindset come out of working on a film like this and being in the mindset of someone that was clear, close to losing it all and... I think maybe in the opposite, like, kind of in that line of thinking, but more if I took anything from playing someone like Nick Chef or trying to interpret it in the best way possible, it's like that immediacy of moment-to-moment thinking and it's something

that rubs off very clearly with Nick and David when you hang out with them is a tremendous gratitude for life and a respect for life. I feel like that's what the movie's about in some ways too is like I don't know, like respect life. Like no, no, not literally, but yeah, I feel and to that point too, so I'm a little all over the place, but you know that.

My podcast, I'm all over the place. But like, yeah, there was an impression shooting this movie. I mean, I shot a movie called Hot Summer Nights three, four years ago, too, And like, I remember thinking I might not ever get an opportunity to be a lead of a movie again. And it was like every scene I knew exactly what I was trying to do. And I feel that urgency now. Like, you know, they, I don't know if literally or like economically you can point to the numbers,

but like the film industry, it's, I don't, like, shrinking isn't even the right word. It's just like the roadmaps, the studio system, all that. It's not there anymore. like I'd like beautiful boys in Amazon film the first thing I worked on last year after last year was a Netflix film so but I think it's kind of great and there's like the return of like this mid-budget

movie now like and Netflix has brought back the rom-com exists again like you can find it on it in an awesome way and where like I think in the 80s and 90 I mean I'm not like a I'm not like a filmography isn't as good as a lot of people's but like my understanding is like in the 90s there was like a great like link ladder

there was like the whole great there's a lot of great independent film obviously through the 2000s but then like I think of like the late 2000s there was like kind of this transition that's where I'm not envious of being 22 at the time and I'm grateful to be at this age now is like this is such an interesting

time in film and and like TV and all that so I'm curious I haven't seen Lucas's new film Ben is back yet but did you guys obviously go back to Lady Bird your buddies did you discuss the fact that you were tackling roles that were tackling some of the same issues? Absolutely

And Ben is back has Gene Black, who's the makeup artist and a beautiful boy. So legendary makeup artist's, like, really extraordinary. And so, I don't know, down to the physical symptoms, they might be very similar. I haven't seen Ben his back yet. But I know Lucas, like, he feels a lot of very similar, but a lot of things I'm talking about. I know we both feel, like, really grateful that, like, especially Lady Bird, like that, that, like, resonated with people in such a way. It was really like, I got to see a college screening of Lady Bird, like, on a college campus, and it was just so, like, I don't know, it was like people laughing at things that our parents maybe wouldn't get, you know,

and there's something thrilling about that. And, like, so, yeah. What's, what's Greta's script for little women? It's amazing. This is present day? I've heard that, is it set in present-day Sacramento? Oh, God, how much am I allowed to talk about this? Okay, I don't know, not really.

Okay, that's fine. So I'm generally just curious, like, your reaction to it. Like, does it feel like the same writer of Lady Bird? Is it... Well, certainly, like, that's what I said to Greta, like, I would do, like, I made a... Yeah, anyway, I made a joke to her, like, like, literally, I'll, like, just point me in the role, like, I'll just... Whatever thing, yeah, and, and, no, it's a really extraordinary script. And, and, I don't know, I'm really looking, you know, I just played a...

Henry V and the King, and that was just like, that was one of the most surreal thing. I mean, I'm so excited for people to see that because, and that's what really excited me about doing it. I just had this impression. Like, people were going to be like, wait, he did what? I feel like, and God, I have some gratitude again. I don't know how many people have the experience of, like, walking down. It wasn't literally Westminster Abbey, but we shot in an amazing church in Lincoln in England,

and, you know, you're going to walking down a procession, and people are like chanting. I was like, I'm this American kid from New York. Like, I was on the two trade a month ago. Maybe it does feel right. Yeah, like, yeah, it feels too right. No, so, uh, uh, yeah, shoot, we were talking. That's okay. I was trying to dig for little women's dirt, and it's too early.

But here's another film that I mentioned when you sat down, that there's nothing I'm more excited about than you potentially working with Denisville-Nove on an adaptation of Dune. Uh, what can you say about it? Because, again, if you're going to do something on that scale, I feel like this is the way to do it. I feel like we've talked about it.

about that. We talk about the dark night a lot in your office in New York. And it's really interesting because I was like, I guess I was 12, was in eighth grade, I was going into eighth grade when the dark night came out and I went to see in Times Square, AMC Empire 25, 730 with my grandma and my mom. And I was like, this is amazing. What is, who, who is Heath Ledger, how, this is like, I want to do this. And then you go to drama school and then like people whip out like French New Wave movies as their favorite movies and you're like, oh, I need to figure out what my pretentious movies are. So then you watch Paul Thomas Sanders.

I'm kidding. I love PTA. I want to work with them. And like, but then, you know, you watch movies like Punch Drunk Love or whatever for me. It was like James White or The Master. And I thought, okay, this is really exciting. I want to work on things like that. And these like small character behavior-based dramas.

And that's what I would hope, like, call me by her name was, and Lady Bird and Beautiful Boy. They're like very intimate studies. But then, like, the dream is like, you know, It's like the theater to be rocking, you know, and I mean, literally, not like, and not like people like jamming out. And like, and like, and like, it didn't even love. He like, you know, I, I saw him and Christopher Nolan at a, at a, like, whatever party in can or something. And I was just like, those are the, those are the guys that know how to work on that scale.

And that's exactly it is like, yeah. And I ironically, like Lady Birmingham, a lot of people saw those movies. but, like, they, both of those, Danine and Chris, those are like, so I'm just so excited. And also, to work on something of that scale that, like, the, I'm not afraid of the green screenisms

of it, and of it all. I don't know how he's wanting to do it anyway, so I don't know if that's going to be a component, but I'm just talking, like, the big budget nature of it. Like, I can imagine on something else, particularly for these long shooting periods, you can get there on a certain day and be like, what am I doing?

Like, what is this, like, Keaton and Birdman or something like that like that experience yeah and but what's amazing with denise his movies are like so rapidly intelligent and um and meeting with him at can i felt like um i really i felt way like i felt i was with someone like that was unequivocally smarter than me in every way like which is an awesome you want to like with yeah with him and then and then lastly in that regard like to work on um something that's of that scale but you know mr herbert's book is like is is not only regarded as an incredible piece of sci-fi, but of like as American literature.

And you have all these incredible sci-fi otours and you think about Star Wars or whatever that openly say that Dune was the source material. And then lastly, I'll just say, like, I've worked on things that aren't based on source material, and I've worked on things that are, and I just got to say it helps so much when there's like a literary background.

And that goes for the acting of it, but I think it also goes for, like, audiences are people that are aware of the stories, and, like, I just hold the book, and I'm like... Are you just reading and rereading to it over and over again? It's so, like, it's so dense. Yeah. And I just, again, that makes me not worried about, like, the big budget nature of it all. Like, it's just, there's so much there, and the themes are so...

Oh, it's epic in every possible way. I'm like, ah, I'm so excited. I can't wait. We're going to talk a lot about that one. Congratulations on all the success. Much, much more to come. Beautiful boys, an amazing piece of work. Thank you.

Not surprising. Thanks, Josh. Wait, this is the way we end these, right? Yeah, you want an awkward high five or something? How do you want to do? No, what did we do the FACIS? No, we did the faces. Oh, we're going to do Happy Second Fuse.

Yeah, yeah. That's after the cameras. Oh, okay, okay. Good to see you, buddy. Well, yes. And an awkward ending. Okay, all right, nice. All right.

That was Timothy Shalmay, of course, and we continue now with this is Timothy Shalmay, of course, and we continue now with this special Toronto Film Festival edition of Happy Second Fused. Right from Toronto. We're not live, Sammy. You don't know how this works, clearly. Wait, we're not. And now we're going to talk to someone that's not been on the podcast before. The amazingly talented Elizabeth Moss. I mean, what an amazing actor. What a talent. Crazy. Of course, you know her and love her from The Handmaid's Tale most recently, which is a phenomenon in and of itself. She was here at the Toronto Film Festival for a new film directed by Alex Ross Perry, who she's worked with before. It's called Her

Smell. And it's quite a performance. I have to say, she plays Becky Something. That's the actual name of the character. Why don't you just Google it? No, no, actually, I got it. No, that's it. And she's like a punk rocker who is part of a big girl group, and she's basically kind of, a little Courtney Love-ish, like kind of like has gone through it, you know, substance problems. Like, she's not at her best. And it's quite a journey for this character. And it's a hell of a performance, and she really puts it all out there, as she always does. And she was delightful. Wasn't she great? I, I, I'm a little speechless from her. Because as a West Wing fan, as a madman fan, I mean, Peggy Olsen walking down the hallway with her, you know, her sunglasses,

that was like the background on my computer for a while. Is it really? Yeah. And then, you know, my favorite comedy Handmaid's Tale. It's just like, yeah. Between all it, I was just, like, oh, my God, she's real. Oh, someone's excited. Oh, God. Timothy, Chalemay, leave the room now, please, Timothy. For context, we are taping this podcast intro. The live studio audience.

With, like, 10 people in a room, and one person just had to screw it up. Crystal Bell from MTV News was just watching BTS videos on your phone. Probably, very likely. Yeah. But anyway, back to the main event. enjoy this chat with Elizabeth Moss her smell. I don't think it has distribution quite yet. A lot of films come to Toronto

looking for distribution. I'm sure it will land somewhere soon. We should buy it. You need? Yeah. Okay. We're starting a label. Happy Sad Confused Presents. Oh, God Almighty. Enjoy this chat with Elizabeth Moss and I hope you enjoy the special edition of Happy Say Confused. Straight from Toronto. From the 6th. Oh, that's Toronto, right?

Yes. Very good. Elizabeth Moss, oh my God, here we are. Toronto Film Festival. Do you feel the energy, the magic? Oh, yeah. Now you do. Congratulations on the film. The film is Her Smell, Alex Ross Perry.

I got a chance to see it last night. Thanks for coming. It's quite a ride. This is quite a character. It is. It's a little intense. I was saying when you walked in, like, am I getting Becky? Or am I going to be here?

No. No. She'd be here around seven. Exactly. A.m. tomorrow. I think that's the refrain in the movie. Like, does anybody know where Becky is? So, yes, to contextualize,

you play this amazing character, this singer, this leader of this girl group who is clearly struggling through the years. Just give me a sense of sort of what boxes this checks for you. This feels like quite an opportunity for an actor. Yeah, it definitely is.

It's a crazy role. It was very difficult. I think I actually underestimated how hard it was going to be. I concentrated so much on the music part of it for about five months before. I was shooting season two of Handmaid's Tale and I had a great guitar teacher, Eddie, and Toronto, and he, you know, I was concentrating so much on the music part. And then when I actually got to shooting, I was kind of like, oh, wow, this role was actually really, really difficult. I don't know how people do drugs because playing somebody on drugs is really hard.

So it's like, it takes a lot of energy. Well, it's kind of a role, like, I'm wondering, like, is this, quote, unquote, a fun role? I would think it's like, it must be very freeing as an actor because you can kind of go places and act in such an uninhibited way that you can't normally. But it's also, I don't know, it just feels, it does seem very challenging, but it's that rewarding to day to day or while you're in it, is it stressful? It wasn't super fun, honestly, a lot of the time. It was fun once we, like, did it and got it. and felt good about it. But she's so intense, and it's one of the first times

I've ever actually felt like being inside someone's head and playing a character that was that crazy and that, you know, going through so much and high and all of that. It was actually hard. It was not the most enjoyable experience sometimes. Did you shoot it in sequence? Because, I mean, I guess, I don't know if this reveals anything,

but there's an arc to where she goes in her life. Yeah. She's not always kind of like in this kind of messed up way. Yeah, there are five acts, basically five scenes, sort of structured like a play. And, you know, we shot acts one and three first because they were on the same set. Sorry, one, five, and three. Right, the backstage kind of stuff. Yeah, and then, yeah, and I think two and four.

But there's something like that. But, you know, we shot a little out of order. We started with one, then went to the end. Got it. So let's talk about the singing aspect, the performative aspect of this. just like who are you are you patterning this character and the vocal performance

and the presentational style after anyone in particular did you have people in mind? Not really. I mean it's kind of you know it is obviously inspired by a lot of the sort of riot girl movement and those punk bands and we listen to a lot of music me and Aggie and Gail who play my bandmates a lot of things I'd never listened to before because I'm not that cool

so like things like L7 Elastica and all this stuff bikini kill you know things like that And, you know, it's just all about the aggression and the frustration and the movement and the political movement, I mean, the feminist movement. And it's, you know, so, no, I just kind of tried to concentrate on that and make it sound as authentic as possible. That part was kind of scary, too. Some amazing performances in the film, and one that's, like, kind of heartbreaking and beautiful towards the end, with you at the piano. Oh, yeah. Is that one, like, I mean, it's obviously a much different kind of performance than the others.

Was one in particular on your mind a lot as you prepared? Was there one that was like, I need to kind of... Like one of the performances? Heaven, yeah, probably. Heaven, which is what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. As I cover Brian Adams' Heaven on the piano and it was, the scary thing was that it was one take.

So the other things, obviously, we could edit around. But that was, we written as it was going to be just one take, one angle. So it's like over four minutes and I don't play the piano. So I can now play that song, sort of. Right. But, you know, one mistake, three minutes in, and you're like, back to the top. And, you know, I was terrified.

My heart was pounding. And I think there was one take that we were like, okay, that I think was it. And that's the one that's in the movie. That's great. So growing up, did you have dreams of being a singer in a band, any of that? Not really. I mean, you know, I can sing.

I've never really sung professionally, but, no, I mean, not really. I've always wanted to do a musical, but that's more like a, you know, like more of a Broadway musical. Right. But this was cool. I would love to play rock star again, doing the concerts or gigs or whatever you call them. I call them concerts because I'm so lame. We were doing the concerts.

The assembled crowds and such and so forth. You know, inside the venues. The arenas, if you will. So punk. So punk, you guys. Really selling it. It was really fun, though. And me and Aggie and Gail, when we did the first one,

we covered this song, another girl, another planet. And we were so nervous. And we did, none of us are musicians. And we did one take. And we were like, again, again, again. We just wanted to do it over and over and over. And we actually had to go back and reshoot that, like, one camera angle of it,

because there was something that was wrong with the camera. And we were so excited that we got to go back and do it again. Being a musician and rock stars, so cool. It's like going to punk rock fantasy camp. Yeah. Awesome. So I'm giving you the opportunity to form your fantasy group. You're the lead.

Who's going to be in your girl band? Who's in your punk rock? That's so hard. That is such a hard question. That's terrible. Who's wrong with you? How dare you? I mean, I'm going to take the easy route.

And I mean, my bandmates, Gail, Gail Rankin and Agie Dean, were just, they're incredible. And as long as we can actually just not have to play and just pretend, I think we would be great. We actually did joke about touring with our one song and play back. Here it again. Back to the top again. One more time. You know you love it, guys. Let's hear it again.

You love it the first ten times. You're going to love it the next ten. Do the one song. And then an encore, which is just the other song. Right. So when you were saying dreams of a Broadway musical, is there any one in particular you have in mind? Yeah, the ones I want to do, I have to wait a little bit because it's to be a little bit older. I want to do Gypsy when you play Mama Rose, and I want to do Sunset Boulevard.

Yeah. So catch that in 20. Coming soon. Coming soon. 2045. 245, get your tickets now. Those are just your old. I can understand that.

So, I was going to say, just briefly on Handmaids, I mean, this is a show that continues on and continues to kind of reverberate throughout the world beyond, like, the landscape of television. Talk to me about what it's like to see it, you know, Supreme Court protests, et cetera, to see it rear its head there. It's crazy. It's crazy and, you know, incredible. I mean, I wish it wasn't, that was worth of circumstances that it was happening in. But it is obviously amazing. to see that costume and people using it in that way and the fact that you can just see that visual and immediately know what it stands for. Obviously, we can't take credit for that fully. I mean, that's Margaret Atwood. But it's, I mean, it's amazing.

It's cool to be part of something that feels like it's not just a TV show anymore, but it's become something bigger. You know, again, kind of wish that wasn't the case, I wish it was just a crazy, weird fantasy. But it does mean something to me. It does mean a little bit more to me. I can imagine.

Another project that I want to mention, have you started shooting the Jordan Peel project? Yeah. OK. Jordan's follow up to get out. We know nothing about it pretty much. It's called us. I don't know anything about it either.

OK, that must be challenging. I love Jordan Peel. Oh, I say, I got it. So what's it been like? You can't say anything, of course, but like, but does it feel of the same mind of Get Out? Does it fit into that aesthetic, that mindset? It's like, God, like, I'm a fear of being murdered. It's Avengers 5, Captain America's.

I don't know. I mean, I can say that, like, obviously he has a kind of a taste and a thing that he likes to do and likes to explore, you know, intelligent. popcorn films is I think how he describes it. So it does have that high entertainment value factor. I mean,

it is going to be so fucking scary. But it's also really smart and really interesting and funny and like laugh out loud funny and like get out. It was so smart but it was also made you laugh and it was terrifying. But working with him has been amazing.

He's a really great director. He's a really great director. And, like, it's been just fascinating watching him on set. I've just been, like, kind of observing and trying to pick up anything I can. Like, he's just really good. And, yeah, it's been, it's been a really kind of very cool experience. It's going to be more excited. Very cool. Me too. I'm excited. And wrapping it up, we are, of course, at the Toronto Film Festival. We're in Canada. You've spent a fair amount of time in Canada. Yeah. Have you shot the handmaids here? Uh-huh. Yeah. So for the past two years, I've spent, I mean, a year here total.

Right. Yeah. Okay. So as a Canadian expert, some Canadian questions for you. some terminology. What is the six refer to? The six? Don't look for help. Come on. The rafters. No.

It's Toronto. It's Drake. Drake. That's like really in the right ballpark, though. They're like raptors, Drake, Toronto. It's like, it's all the same thing. Well, these are Canadian questions. Can I answer?

Can I answer just be Drake? Drake. Drake. What's a loony? What's a loony? That's two. That's $2. That's a $2 coin.

Okay. Which I call it, Tuni. That's not right at all. That's moss lingo. Favorite Canadian Rine, would that be Gosling or Reynolds? Oh, Gosling.

Gosling's winning by, Reynolds should. I like Reynolds, too, though. Yeah, I mean, that's nothing. Nothing wrong with him. But you knew immediately, in your heart of hearts, you knew. Don't we all? Search within yourselves.

Who should be on Canadian? currency, should it be Beaver, Drake, or Celine Dion? Drake. And finally, in the most Canadian way possible, can you please apologize to me? I'm sorry. It's okay. You did good here. Thank you.

Thanks for stopping by. Enjoy the rest of your Toronto Film Festival and everybody check out her smell when it lands in theaters. Thank you. This is fun. Thanks. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person.

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