Happy Sad Confused - Vanessa Kirby

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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As the nature of being a superhero, you kind of have to do like the hand movements thing, right? You have to sell that. Is there a discussion of like, oh, wait, we need to sell Sue's hand movements in a different way than Scarlet Witch. I need a different special hand movement than Lizzie. Exactly, Josh. Oh, my gosh. You're so perceptive. I had that conversation daily because what she does is incredible and it's so definitive.

And I also wanted to understand the power. was at a very fundamental level. Otherwise, I think I would feel a bit silly. You know what I mean? I knew I would feel silly kind of waving my hands around without really understanding what it feels like to do it.

Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey guys, it's Josh here. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today, we are celebrating the next big blockbuster of the summer with Sue Storm herself. That's right, Vanessa Kirby on the podcast.

Talking All Things Fantastic for, very excited about this one. A first-time guest on Happy Say I Confused, Vanessa Kirby, way overdue. Thank you, guys, as always, for checking out what I'm doing over here. So much great reaction to last week's episode with James Gunn. Thank you guys for all the love. If you haven't checked it out by now, check it out because that was an embarrassment of riches, a great combo, his third time on the podcast, talking All Things Superman. But now we move into Fantastic War Territory with Vanessa Kirby.

This is a fun one. Before we get to that, let's see, a couple things. First up, very big, exciting news. We have a live, happy, say, a confused event to talk about. Los Angeles, come on out. Tickets are now available. August 15th, Ben Stiller and Seth Rogen together. You heard me right.

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bonus materials. Check it out. Okay, just a couple quick words on Vanessa, and then I'll toss to the main event. Fantastic Four, of course, is the topic at hand, and this was really cool of Vanessa to do because we've been trying to make this happen for a while. Vanessa has been very kind enough to say she's a fan of the podcast and had wanted to do it for a bit. And given that she's on this worldwide press store, given that she was in the middle of a junket, I wasn't sure it was going to happen. But she agreed to do this. Literally during

her lunch break, she's pregnant. She's got a lot going on. So I'm very appreciative that she made the time for this. She's a delight. She has had such an amazing career already. And it's really just kicking into another gear in recent years, thanks to really great dramatic work and things like Pieces of Woman and the Sun, but also then working in the biggest pop culture, you know, properties around, whether it's Hobson Shaw or Mission Impossible or now Fantastic Four. We also talk a little bit about her beginnings in television, of course, in The Crown. She was cast in that 10 years ago. And to see her now front and center in this kind of context is really cool. And she's fantastic in the film. She is the heart and soul of this movie. You're going to love her in it, and we're going to see a lot more of her in Doomsday and many future Marvel projects, I'm sure.

And you can hear in this conversation, by the way, she's so passionate about Sue and the things she does in the comics. I think the comic fans out there are going to be excited to hear Vanessa so passionate about this. So enjoy this chat. It's a little shorter than we usually do, but again, given all the context, I'll take what I can get. And I'm really, again, thankful she made the time. So without any further ado, please enjoy my conversation with Sue. Sue Storm, the Invisible Woman herself, Vanessa Kirby. Vanessa Kirby, finally unhappy, said Confused, thank you so much for squeezing me in today.

It's good to see you. Thank you for having me. I love this show. So I'm really excited myself. Thank you. Congratulations on the film and one of the privileged few that have gotten a chance to see it. It's so fun. You're amazing in it. And I want to give folks some context because I am really appreciative because press tours don't get any bigger than this. And Vanessa is exactly. Much of her lunch break to catch up with me. So not to mention you're pregnant. So there's a lot going on in your world.

So I really appreciate you. Yes, I'm welcome. Okay. So first of all, before we get to Fantastic Four, I mean, it struck me, it's about 10 years into kind of like the big transition point in your career, almost to the date. Summer of 2015, I think you're cast in the crown, which is a major shift. You've been doing theater. You're succeeding. and then this transition starts into TV and film.

Just reflect for a second for me. Does it feel like a minute, 10,000 years? When you hear that number, what does that do to you? Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, it really was a transition. But just even you're saying that, I mean, I was so lucky it wasn't really easy. It was a very gentle transition in some ways

because when we started that show, we were a bunch of theatre actors, you know, know, we were filming in London, Netflix had only had a couple of shows, so we weren't even really sure if people would watch it or if they would like it. And so it was very protected. And so we just kind of innocently cracked on with the series. And, you know, I seem like maybe my mom and dad would watch it, but I didn't know if anyone else would.

And so there wasn't this crazy pressure of, you know, something being wildly liked by people. So, and we were filming the second season before the first, didn't even come out. So I had that, I had that real protected space. And then we were just absolutely blown away when people happened to be watching it. We couldn't believe it. And so there was always been a gratitude, I think, that stayed with me because my transition was very much having been in the theatre and, you know, having 300 people in the north of England come and watch the show. And suddenly people were able to watch something I was in. And it was like

miraculous to me. And I still feel like that. I feel like this about this movie. I kind of, maybe because I started in theater in so many different small places. I never, I've always, yeah, I just feel incredibly grateful if anyone goes to see anything, really. It's striking to look at the body of work in the last 10 years because you've been able to kind of do this very deft balancing act, whether it's by luck or intent of doing, you know, things like pieces of woman and the sun and also being at the center of the biggest cultural events, whether it's Hobbs and Shaw mission or now this. I mean, how much do you feel like you've been able to steer your own ship versus kind of surfing the wave of whatever the best material is coming to you? I've been asked quite a lot about the fact that I do like different genres or something and like it's something that's unusual.

I think it's definitely lesser now. I think actors go across all different kind of mediums. But I think for me, it never felt like that because when you do like the playwrights for you. example when I started, you know, if you do an Arthur Miller, it's completely different to doing a check-off. Like, it's just a different genre completely. So it ever felt like the approach was always the same. You try and rehearse and to as much work as possible because you're absolutely terrified about walking out in front of an audience. And it's always felt the approach has always felt exactly the same. So it doesn't, even though sometimes the scale of it can be scary. I don't know.

I still think you approach. Yeah, the approach is the same. So. Yeah, once the cameras are on, Once everything is sorted out and all the bells and whistles, it's still hopefully you and another actor or two trying to get at something truthful. That's the goal at least, right? Definitely, definitely. Yeah, and learning to not be afraid of the sort of the technicality or the machines around.

That took me quite a long time to... Well, that's the trick, right? Fooling your brain into thinking there's nothing on the periphery and really like locking in. Yeah. Yeah, like even for example in this, you know, Sue going up against Galaxia. there was maybe 60 crew members behind the camera and I was staring at kind of like a metal pole

was really high and I just was like oh I just kept trying to imagine what I was seeing you know yeah and you just yeah it's endlessly trick in your mind so you know for those that know me they know it will surprise no one to know that I grew up with this stuff I lived in briefed comics what were what was your bag like growing up like what were you into genre-wise franchise a book series, films. Like if I talked to like 12-year-old Vanessa Kirby, what was your obsession? I was obsessed with a combination of those,

well, my dad introduced me to a lot of cinema, and so we would watch Middard Express when I was super young and, you know, expose us to everything. And then all the classics, you know, all the ones that came out during that era, we watched them on loop, on absolute loop, and I'm talking about things like,

splash and, you know, all those early movies and, um, like what films can you quote backwards and forwards if I put you to the test? Like, what's, what's just ingrained in you? I mean, if you're talking about 12 year old, I think Titanic. You know, I just remember going to my parents. Of course. I think, yeah, and I just, it's just a scale of it. We were discussing earlier what movies would we like to see in IMAX. But do you remember when Jurassic Park came out? And like all those, oh my gosh, those Spielberg movies. that was my childhood. That was my childhood mixed with, you know, my dad introducing us to lots of like, you know, sometimes he would say, no, we're going to watch, you know, a classic and then you can watch a new one.

Well, those things that you see almost a little too young are always the ones that really kind of like break your brain in the best possible way. I remember seeing like Jaws when I was like definitely too young. It's something I would expect seeing Midnight Express any time before you're 18 is probably going to make an impact on a young woman. I remember the sweat. Do you remember how amazing the sweat was at the airport for those guys? It's so visceral. I always remember that. But yeah, you're right.

Breaking your brain, it's so true. It really does feel like that, doesn't it? It like goes in you and you just never forget it. Totally, totally. We're all kind of walked into who we were at 12 and the pop culture that really seeped in then forever. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design

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Okay, so before this one, comes around, you know, it is the coin of the realm these superhero films the last 15 years. And if rumors are to be believed, you've been up for at least the couple, there was Birds of Prey supposedly that was talked about. I don't know if the Catwoman thing was real or not with Matt Reeves, but have you been up for a bunch of superhero things prior to this? Not literally, no. I never auditioned for them.

Catwoman, oh, my God, what a dream. was the coolest ever so how you know couldn't that she couldn't have been more perfect so that was more of a list thing but not a like actual full on audition thing yeah I think it was always going to be her she's just the most incredible actor

most beautiful um ever uh yes birds of prey no I was never I never met on that but I was so happy that it was a female superhero anti-heroine movie coming around but I I always had a deep appreciation because I understand, you know, they're so globally loved.

And it's almost like culturally like the Odyssey or the Iliad, you know, these kind of like mythical, yeah, embodied kind of mythical, what's the right word? They're the sort of symbols of. Yeah, the most basic primal stories. They are just our current way of telling these stories that recur throughout history, right? Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so when this one came around, I was so genuinely moved by the fact that this was a woman who was pregnant and, you know, was a new mother and also has these superpowers. It helped me ground it in something that's, you know, to try and understand what it would be like to have both those things happening at the same time was a challenge. But I was grateful for that because it rooted it in this kind of domesticity somehow, you know, in this family.

this family in their home, which made it easy, I think. Yeah, I want to get to some of the power of without ruining the film for folks out there, the power of some of that imagery that caught me off guard. I realized I hadn't seen this in a superhero film before. But before we get to that, okay, so you get the role, which I believe was not even an audition situation. They just offered to you. Is that correct?

Like, they meet with you and it's an awesome. Yeah, I met Matt Shackman. We had an awesome lunch and we talked a lot about the comics, particularly the early 60s ones, which was really a wonderful thing. to be asked to go and do, to go back to the 60s and 70s and all the decades of this sort of legacy of this form of entertainment for people that was kind of counterculture and super meaningful to people every week, you know, you just wait. It wasn't a lot of TV, obviously, and so this would be the thing you'd be most excited about. And so I felt very touched by that.

And then Matt and so we had a really deep discussion about that. And then I met Kevin and Lou at Marvel. And then the next day they asked me to do it. So no, there was no, there was no audition, which sometimes is scary because then you go, oh gosh, the first day when you. Right. You want to kind of prove to yourself in a way. Yeah. So was there, look, there are obvious benefits to this. Marvel knows what they're doing. This is an iconic character. But it's also a commitment. This is not one and done. This is going to be potentially the next 10 years beyond of your life off and on. So that has to be something that you, whether you wrestle with it or you contemplate. I mean, is there a, I don't know, is there a little trepidation when you're like, I'm really kind of making

a commitment to my career and life for the next 10 plus years? With this, I actually didn't have that. And I'm surprised to say that. I think it was because I really liked her so much. And because I'd read so many of the comics and she goes through so many different iterations, you know, she becomes malice, this really dark version of herself for quite a long time. then she renames herself invisible woman having been called an invisible girl and she goes off with Psycho Man and she's name. Her history is incredible. So that was, I felt like, oh, there's so much there to, to even psychologically.

I mean, she has a stillborn and people don't know that. You know, like she's gone through a lot, but most importantly, I knew I wouldn't be out without these three actors. Right. And these reactors have genuinely become family. And I admired them so much. And I knew that we're a four. And the four and the comics are never separate.

So I assumed that we'd be together. And that really helped because then you're not a lone ranger kind of, you know, going into new daunting environments. We've always kind of got each other. We've had that exactly with Avengers just now, just all being together in our group. Well, that being said, look, and we can say this now. Maybe the pressure's off a little bit because you know the movie delivers. You're hearing this from people. And yes, it is very much an ensemble and it is about the family.

When you see the film, when folks see the film, this is Sue's film. Like, I mean, yes, it's the family. but this is, Sue is like the emotional heart. It really is like the center of the film, at least from, maybe you can't say that, but I can say that watching it as a viewer. I mean, did it, when you eventually get to see the script, were you surprised, heartened about like,

oh, wow, this is really like a mother's story in a way? I think that's Matt Shackman, honestly. I think he has this incredible daughter called Maisie, who's been an inspiration to all of us. She's the biggest personality and the most sort of formidable female. presence. And I think, you know, he made a decision really early on in our first meeting.

He said, I don't think I'm going to, I'm not choosing to do this as an origin story where we learn how they got their powers. I want this to be, we really know what their powers are in. They're well into their run. Sue's established this future foundation. And I want the movie to open with them finding out they're going to have a baby. And most importantly, that that's, that's all the things that a new parent feels, you know, daunted, anxious, scared, ecstatic, and have these two parents basically live through the course

of this movie with coming to terms with the fact that they're becoming parents. And also because they feel like they're different. They're not who they were. And therefore we have a child together and will we pass on the things that we don't like about ourselves or what are we going to pass on to our child? And that inherently was like a very human existential question. And so I think naturally Matt was gravitating towards this parenthood and this fatherhood and this mother's story. And I remember standing on our very first day of filming with this fake pregnancy bump and couldn't believe it. I just thought, oh my God, how am I going to be a superhero like this? But, you know, she really taught me that going through the journey of this movie for me

as a lived experience quite literally taught me that it's possible and that the synergy between, you know, the metaphor of superhero is more like, oh my gosh,

I've looked around at all my girlfriends that I've done it and, you know, it's a very unbelievably powerful, sacred thing. Well, and I was saying about like the imagery

of the film that really struck me. I mean, again, I don't think it reveals anything to say. Like, one of the powerful moments for me is like you kind of have like the big superhero, like hero speech.

And you're holding a base. And I don't think I've ever seen that in a film. Did that strike you in that moment of shooting that scene that like, this is new territory? It did. And also the babies, we had maybe, because it was a night shoot, the babies cried on the same line. I was like, maybe it's my delivery. I was like, I've got to try and adjust it. Give me the next baby.

Swap in the next one. Yeah, we had to swap a lot. But they became really special to us because they, you know, we knew them all really, really well. And they grew up with us, Ada, who plays Franklin. And she was with us from the start, and she changed personality in the six months that we were shooting. It was just amazing to watch. But yes, definitely. And I think also I remember us saying at the beginning, you know, a lot of these kind of these stories, you know, of these superheroes, they go up against something really difficult.

They have to face some massive threats and see if they can overcome it and fall down and try and get back up and try and, you know, protect something about, you know, what. we, about humanity. And we knew if there was a baby at the center of this, it would be very hard to not care, because how could you not? And so we got to put our focus on that a lot, and that really helped so much because you weren't talking ideologically. You're talking very, very practically and very vulnerably about this little newborn who represents, you know, pure human consciousness in a way. No, totally. It's much easier for an audience to connect when it's like, we have to get that cube. We have to solve this thing

as opposed to like, we have to protect our child. Like this is the most relatable of all things. Exactly, exactly. So even if we did bad acting, we were like, the baby will pull us.

Yeah. Yeah. And Michael's score. Of course. The baby in the score. And Matt's vision. Kills it. and hit play on your next adventure.

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You have to sell that. Is there a discussion of, like, oh, wait, we need to sell Sue's hand movements in a different way than Scarlet Witch. I need a different special hand movements. movement than lizzie exactly josh oh my gosh so perspective you're so perceptive i had that conversation daily because what she does is incredible and it's so definitive and i also wanted to understand the powers at a very a very fundamental level otherwise i think i'd feel a bit silly you know what i mean i knew i would feel silly kind of waving my hands around without really

understanding what it feels like to do it but then you go well how how do i start to imagine what it feels like to do it. And so I had to understand it on a scientific level. So I was looking at, I was imagining that you see creating force fields is essentially like moving frequency or energy, right? And if you think about radio waves or microwaves or, you know, our phone waves that connect a call to Australia from England, it's not, the connection is invisible, but it's still moving through space, if that makes sense.

And we can't see them with our retinas, but it's there. And so I imagined, okay, so you can just move things. She can move light in a way that we can't or we can't perceive in our human, you know, five senses. She almost like had a seventh sense is what I imagined. And so then we started talking about how in the comic she does use her hands a lot. So I can't not use my hands because for a second, I was like maybe I just shouldn't just so it's not too similar to anybody. because even Dr. Strange, you know, uses the hands, like a lot of the superheroes do. So then I thought, okay, well, seeing as she's using her actual molecules,

like her actual cells and her own atoms to move a different kind of frequency, wouldn't it come from her core rather than just her hands? And then I said, well, look, why don't we study the chakras and imagine that it's a whole energetic force field that's coming out of her, and then she uses her hands to conduct that energy. so I spoke to VFX and Matt and I spoke for ages and Jenny the movement director was wonderful we just spent a long time

trying to work out bodily movements and sometimes they got a bit too sensual so we'll back a bit because you know but she is she is like a little bit sensual because she is to me in the comics but it was really fun developing it and then Matt showed all these images

of kind of prisms of light and how light refracts and stuff so it wasn't just like a whooshing sort of, you know, the Harry Potter wand. It wasn't like that. We wanted to create kind of as if she was moving light, yeah, through space. Well, it is a reminder of why they get the best actors in the business for this. Because, like, again, towards the end, the kind of stuff you have to do with just your body

and, like, essentially grunting, like making, you don't even have dialogue to lean on in this kind of, like, these dramatic moments. And it takes a really good actor to sell that. Because if it could look really silly in the wrong hands. And sometimes you feel silly, too, because I didn't, in the scene where I think you're talking about where she's, you know, going at her full capacity, I had to push against stuff. When we tried, I said, okay, can I push against something so that it doesn't look like I'm just pretending and how can we make this look really real and almost like the biggest effort of her entire life ever as it would have to be. But then in the end, I had to do it just on my own. And so there was, you know, hundreds of crew members that are all my friends and stuff all standing around where I'm kind of, yeah, grunting on the floor and trying.

to imagine I'm making this effort that's kind of, you know, is the most difficult thing a human being could do. And yeah, you do, you do. There were moments. Then you just be like, I'll just keep going. Yeah. So, I mean, I love what you said about earlier. You clearly fell in love with this character and the lore and the 60 plus years of history. Have you put in your two sense about, like, oh, it would be great to explore this aspect of the character. I know it's beyond your pay grade, but like selfishly as an actor, what do you want to play of Sue if you got to keep going. Oh, it's malice, definitely. Definitely malice. I just love that that's a part of her. It just makes me so happy. It makes me so happy because she is, I try to understand, right? They all came back

from this accident and they all decided to do different things with their powers as a family, right? And Reid goes heavily into massive scientific and technological advancement. You know, I think he feels guilty for what happened and he's trying to improve the world in that way. and Sue creates this future foundation which literally she goes around to every country leader this sort of has mentioned at the beginning of the movie and she gets them to disarm and to get rid of all their armies and I thought oh my gosh that is the hardest thing

that anyone could try and persuade our current world to do and so I thought she must have a really such a high emotional intelligence to be able to do that and she's made a choice right She, there was one line, I don't think it's in the film, but she says, there was one line at one point. She says to Moleman, you know, if you're not careful, I could give you an aneurysm in a second. And that was so useful for me.

That was a real touchstone because it's true. She could put a force field and there's lots of images in the comics of her doing it to doom and her doing it to all these enemies where she threatens to do it because she can, but she chooses not to. And it's someone that chooses not to, but still could. And so I love this, I love, I always love Alice, because it's almost like a part of her that needs to come out to be expressed that while she is committed to being altruistic and being a leader and doing good in the world, she also has a shadow side like we all

do, which has to come out in order for her then in the comics to become invisible woman. She renames herself from Invisible Girl. So she becomes a woman by going through a dark time. And that always felt really, I loved that journey. I thought it felt very true. You mentioned Doom. Have you shot most of your doomsday stuff? Have they been kind enough to shoot you out to let you live the rest of your life? Or are you several ways to go? No, no. We're going back to do more. And I'm loving it, absolutely loving it.

It's been a complete privilege. And they've been amazing, you know. And as you know, I'm pregnant. And they have been, it's been the coolest thing to be shooting an Avengers movie while pregnant. And they haven't, they've been utterly amazing. The Rousseau's and Kevin and the whole team. It's been very cool to do that. Scarlet is it.

So all of these, look, all these films, any film, for that matter, requires a lot of trust, but especially these like Avengers movies, which we know the nature of them, right? Like, I doubt you've read an entire script from beginning to end. It's just, it's a fluid exercise and somehow the Rousseau's know how to piece it all together. Has it been kind of an unusual thing as an actor to kind of like put your trust in them and know that these bits are going to add up to something really cool in the end? It's been so easy to trust them because they'd so know the world better than any thing and it's a very relaxing thing to come into something where someone really knows what their

process, you know, is. And they describe it like they're making a recipe, right? There's a recipe of different ingredients. And it's unbelievable that these Avengers movies work in such a beautiful way. You look at Infinity War and you've got all these different energies, but somehow they all fuse together. And I remember them saying the first one, they had no idea if any of them would go together and if it would, you know, and it just works. So it's quite exciting. exciting to be part of something. You go, okay, this is my flavor. I don't know. It's in their hands to work out what flavors go with what and how and where. And that's kind of, there's a surrender in that. You know what I mean? You have to control anything. And that's been

really, really, I love there. And getting to see Downey do his thing, has that been a joy and a privilege? I mean, this guy. Beyond, beyond. He's the most incredible human being, soulful, deep, kind. He's been an amazing leader to us, considering we're the newbies. you know, and a lot of the others have known this world for a really long time. And he's been, yeah, a phenomenal leader, and also he's just doing the most amazing work. Can't wait. Can't wait. So by now, like, look, I mean, obviously the film hasn't been seen by much of the world.

But, like, you were cast in this a while back a year ago or so. You kind of had the coming out party at Comic-Con. So you encounter folks in the world. Like, are you able to now clock, like, the Crown fans versus the Marvel fans? I mean, you must get a new, you have a new fan base, a new excitement from folks on the street, I would expect. Yeah, I know what you mean, Josh. It is, there are, it's funny.

There are definitely different bases. And sometimes they surprise you and you don't expect, oh my gosh, that's the thing that you like. But they, but sometimes there's overlap. So I'm really interested. I haven't, obviously, I'm so new to the MCU. So I'm really interested to, but I also understand, you know, watching them all and going back

and re-watching them all together and you see something like Scarlett's journey from the beginning and what she did with that character to her death. It's, you've grown up with those, that character and her journey and her story and all the iterations and stuff.

So there's something so really special about that, which the comics did. You know, you got to view, you got to watch, read all these different characters through different illustrators and different storytellers and stuff and each of them brought a different flage. And so we just feel like we're just joining one part of that and kind of adding to that just as an extension of.

So, yeah, I'm really excited to meet more of them, honestly, because I care as much as they do now. I'm such a big fan of Marvel. No, it's clear. It's palpable. It's exciting to hear you excited, excited about this universe. I just want more crown folks. I want my beloved Claire Foy in Marvel now. Oh, my God.

She would just dominate. I mean, she kills it in everything. She's one of my days. I would sit there on set in these scenes with her, and I'd be stunned. And I think, I don't know how the hell I'm going to be even present, like, participate with you in this scene because how would I, you're just so magnificent. She was still one of the best actors I've ever worked with. Well, she's become a spirit animal, five-timer on Happy Second Fees. This is only your first time, but you're going to catch up.

We're going to get you on a bunch more, okay? That's what I mean. I can't believe it's my first time. Way overdue. quickly. I'll let you go in a couple, but I said not to see you in Mission. I assume that had to do with, is that about Fantastic Four? Just like there's not enough time to like make it all work or? Yeah, we were working six days a week. Everyone was working so hard. I remember looking at Matt Shackman one point, just being like, oh my gosh, that man, keep saying, oh my gosh,

and I don't know why. Something's been infected with it today. I usually swear, but maybe that's why I'm not to swear. But, yeah, what was I saying? mission but you were so six days a week you were yeah yeah yeah and i was we were we we had so much to shoot and matt was just unbelievable in his i've never worked with someone who's works that as hard as he does and he would always respond if i said i'm the scene i'm confused about could we have a zoom and even at sunday night at 11 o'clock he would be so we were working around the clock on this um it was completely immersive and we had to finish by a certain deadline because we've been pushed back because of the strikes.

Right. So we had to get it done so that it could be released in July. And it was a miracle. Everyone's come together at Marvel to make it happen because we finished in December and it's coming out in July. I think it's unheard of really.

And going forward, obviously, you're going to have some family time, hopefully, for a bit, some Marvel time. Are you going to be working with Sebastian, Stan? Is Rune something that you want to make happen? Yes, definitely. He's a really old friend.

We worked together years ago. And he's one of my great, great friends and I've always wanted to work with him again. We found this. We want to find many things together. And yeah, that's something that we're working really hard on now. I'm realizing.

It's so good to see that guy getting his due. I mean, he's kind of like been doing the work. How good was Trump? It was insane. Insane. I was texting and being like, I'm telling everyone about it nonstop. He's, yeah.

Okay. We're going to end with the happy second fuse profoundly random questions. Vanessa. You ready for this? Yeah. Is it quick? Yeah, relative. Well, you can go in if you want.

But dogs are cats. Oh, God, that's always been a tie for me because I've always had both. Okay. I would say right now in this moment, maybe cats, just because it's easier. They're slightly easier, I think. You can leave them to their own devices they got. Yeah, they're super independent, yeah. What do you collect, if anything?

Matcha. What is that? Or matcha, machete. Oh, you guys say. Macha. Yeah, I'm sorry, my horrible. I know. My accent code is getting to practice that.

Yeah, there's like fusion in the accent We had a slight kind of be to do slightly transatlantic So there was always debates Whether it should be something like Marcho or Matcha Got it Favorite video game of all time Have you ever played a game at length? The Sims

Oh, okay, cool I was a huge Sims fan So sad This is the Dakota Johnson Memorial question She asked me this one So would you rather have a mouthful of bees Or one B in your butt? One B and butt

Yeah Yeah, because then you can talk about it and like share it. This is what's happening back there, just so you know. Yeah. I mean, the best thing is if something's difficult, you've got to talk about it. Yeah, yeah. What's the wallpaper on your phone? Oh, right now.

Glastonbury Festival, which is my house on earth. Nice. Last actor you were mistaken for? Oh, Jody Comer. Another one of my faves. That's a good company. I mean, heaven. I was thrilled. I went along with it for a while. You were so good in a one-woman show. I went, oh, my God, thank you so much.

I mean, it's a great show, but to be frank. What's the worst noted director has ever given you? I don't believe anything you're doing. That was savage. That was one of my first TV job. Okay, last 30 seconds. Actor Who Always Makes You Happy. Eb and Joe and Pedro. Okay. Movie that makes you sad? Hmm. What does I last cry at?

Do you have a go-to? I mean, like, the most, you mean the saddest one of all? It would be shins or something. I mean, that's pretty. Or on Titanic when you were a little. Titanic, there you go. Yeah, Jack dying. I don't think anyone's ever over that.

And a food that makes you confused. You don't get it. Why do people eat that? I don't like scallops. And I don't like, I don't massively like oysters actually Because no one, you don't even chew it and taste it, you just neck it back Do you know what I mean? Why don't you just at least like taste the fissiness and enjoy or whatever?

But no, so it's never been my jam, those. Okay, we'll dive into that deeper next time. Vanessa, you're the best for sneaking this in. I appreciate you. Have a great rest of the press store and hopefully next time in person. Thank you, Josh. And it's, you know, I'm doing a solo interview. I've always been with the boys.

Yeah, you usually can just like, over to you, Pedro. No. Yeah, yeah, always, but it's been so nice me and you. Thank you so much for having me, Josh. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person.

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