Happy Sad Confused - Will Arnett, Vol. II

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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Do you think he resents that you're Batman and he's he's Jorrell. That's not, I mean, that's like a, that's like second tier. That's not even a superhero. I don't know, dude. You tell me, did my demeanor just shift? Well, your body language did and your voice changed. Well, stay. Prepare your ears, humans.

Happy, sad, confused begins now. Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition. of happy, say I confused. Today on the show, it is Will Arnett from Arnett from Arnett, and Bojack Horseman to Smartless. And now is this thing on an amazing new film with a fantastic dramatic turn from Will. Hey, guys, thanks as always for joining me on the podcast. I appreciate all of you. Tuning in, however you're enjoying the podcast, whether it's on Spotify or YouTube or whatever podcast platform you use, we are careening towards the end of 2025.

I have to say, the best year, I think, yet, objectively. speaking of Happy Sagan Fuse in terms of the guests we've had on, certainly in terms of the audience reception, just sheer numbers. It's been a really rewarding year, so it's starting to take stock in everything that was 2025. And we're not done yet. We've got

some really cool episodes to come, including this one with Will Ornette. I mentioned a few of his credits. You know what Will Ornett is capable of. Or maybe you didn't. Maybe you didn't know he was capable of this dramatic turn in this new film. He is starring in Is This Thing On?

This is a collaboration between him, Bradley Cooper, behind the camera. And it's a very, it's a dramatic, funny, relatable, great piece of drama that I highly, highly recommend. I mean, Bradley Cooper doesn't choose his projects lately, certainly as a filmmaker, especially. And this is yet another, as I say in the interview with Will, kind of an excavation of a relationship. Will plays a guy something at a crossroads in his relationship. He's separating from his wife played by the great Laura Dern and finds a catharsis,

a way of emoting, a way of coping in the form of stand-up comedy, something he had never done before. This is based on a true story. It's fascinating. And Will's getting the best reviews of his life and justifiably so. So a great occasion to have Will on the podcast.

Before I get to more on Will Arnett, I do want to remind folks, as always, check out our Patreon. Patreon.com slash happy, say I confused. You know the drill. You've heard me say it, but I'm going to say it again because we've been doing a lot of cool stuff, whether it's live stuff, giveaways with autographed merch. All that cool fun stuff is over at patreon.com slash happy, say, I confused. It's a better time than ever to sign up over there, as I always say, and I mean it. If you support us over there, it just helps us make more stuff over here. Okay. Not much more preamble for Will. As I said, you know what he's done, what he's capable of. What you should know is that I've known Will for a long, long time, and I've always had a fascinating, fun dynamic with him. I think it's based on mutual respect and admiration. I hope so. I think so. I know so. I do absolutely think he's one of the smartest, funniest guys. I know, full stop. And I think he likes what I do, I hope. We had a really fun time before this podcast about a moment.

month or so ago, at least maybe two months at the Savannah Film Festival, where I hosted an event with him in support of this film. And we referenced that in this conversation. And yeah, I've just known him forever. And we've always had kind of like a weird, passive, aggressive, antagonistic vibe. But it is, it is based on respect. And I truly do think he is so, so damn talented and just fun to talk to. I mean, he's so quick. And it's really exciting to see him shine in a role like this and to see folks kind of not rediscover because everybody's known will is a great actor, but to see him in a different light collaborating with Bradley Cooper on something dramatic. And not to say there isn't comedy in this is this thing on, but I've seen it a few times and

I really, it's one of my favorites of the year. It's out in theaters December 19th, Friday, December 19th. So put it on your to-do list this holiday season. just a great piece of like adult storytelling, right? So that's my spiel. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Without any further ado, here's me catching up with the one and only Will Arnett. Hi, Will.

Hi, Josh. How are you? I didn't see you there. You got right into... How are you doing? I'm doing great. Are we pretending to like each other today? I'm trying to reestablish.

I'm trying to reset the... Yeah. Will Arnett, actor, podcast, or some... time mortal enemy of mine. I feel like there was a phase many years ago where we had some feud. I don't even know what it was based on. I don't either. But it developed, it grew. It festered like a boil. It really did. And we were, we were legitimate nemesi. Yeah. Do you have any actual nemes? I'm not a real, you, you enjoy my, me. I enjoy you. Do I enjoy you? What happens to your voice just now? Did it seem higher? It connected to me too.

I do enjoy you, Josh. Do I have an actual nemesis? I think I've had a few. I think, not really, but... Did you have a rival back in the day? You're auditioning, you're hooffing it. Who was the actor when you walked into the audition room? Well, that fucker's going to go to him again.

Thoreau. Seriously? You'd see Thoreau's name on the sign-in sheet back in the 90s. You'd like, this freaking guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Was he wearing sleeves back then? Was the, what was his, he's never, he's never had a sleeve.

Breaking news today, he's going to be a dad. He's gonna be a dad. You gotta lay off. He's got a handful coming. Or double down. Double down. Okay, we're spreading the good word today. You know, I love this film.

This performance is excellent. I have to say that sadly, but I mean it. I really do. Thank you. I know what it pays you. The last time we saw each other was at the Savannah Film Festival. Yeah, it was very enjoyable time down there. It was a lot of fun.

It was. Where's the award? Do you have like a... You know, it's funny? I don't know. And by that, I mean, they gave me an award, but nobody ever said, here, this is, like, they gave it to me on stage, and then it kind of went somewhere else, and I left, and I didn't leave with the award, and that's, somebody needs to look into that.

There's nobody, you're pointing at nothing. Somebody's on it. What's your, what's your relationship with awards? I was thinking, when I was thinking about awards and you, I was thinking about arrested, And I remember, correct me if I'm wrong, back in the day, you guys won an award, like the big, the Emmy Award. Yeah, for the best comedy, yeah. Like, that was after the first season when we weren't even sure if for us it was continuing or not. Do you remember that as being a very strange?

Do I ever? I remember we won Best Comedy. Right. And then at the Fox slot, I remember driving on a couple of days later, and they'd put up a banner. But it was behind this kind of this thing, this game. that you drive through so you can only see for a nanosecond because it was there's the gate and then the banner was here so you were like as you drive by you can just see it was just kind of written like congrats and then they sent over an ice cream cart oh not a truck a cart

what's the difference it's just like oh it's like a small it's like one of those like a little cart with a hey you want uh you want one of these you want a king cone what do you what are you guys having a chip witch there's one of those that's what we got yeah no married children gets the full truck. The full, I mean, yeah, so we were, I don't know, I've never, my, my relationship with awards is, I'd say, fleeting at best. I haven't been around a lot of it, but we did that, I remember that was a great, for us, it felt very validating to win the Emmy.

Yeah, the show won best writing, best directing, and like, you know, a lot of stuff, yeah. Can we pull the veil back on one of my favorite moments in recent memory at the Savannah Film Festival, a moment we had backstage that we then brought on stage. Do you remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, it was, um, I think I'm gonna connect it to this movie, get away, watch me be a professional. Okay. But we're backstage. It's kind of a, this is your life sizzle reel for Will Ornette. Rapturous applause to every, um, every significant moment. Arrested development. Yeah. Huge applause. Huge. Bojack. Huge applause. They loves it. And then flaked. And it was silent.

And in that moment, I feel like sums up showbiz right there. The highs and the lows, the absurdity, all of it. To my credit, I laughed harder than you did. You did. I thought it was hilarious. You did. Yeah. I mean, all that sort of stuff, it's all stuff that now at my age, that I, I, it's got nothing

to do with me in a lot of ways. There's nothing I can do about it, there's nothing, and it's not something that I think about or like certainly i'm not going for i mean if i was going for it boy i've set myself up for a lot of disappointment you know um yeah it's just it's just such a funny thing but there must be something freeing at your ripe old age of 72 no i free how old do you for real i'm 49 yeah i'm 48 interesting how that works what year were you born again the you're right after you There must be something freeing at your old age, a very advanced age. I'm being an asshole, but I'm being real.

Like, the letting go of some of that, like the best, of all that shit that you were wrapped up in because of the business you were in, or any of us are in our 20s and 30s and to a degree in our 40s. And hopefully we start to let it go by our 40s. Honestly, it's the best. I don't, I, my measure of success, and I've actually kind of talked about it a few times over the last couple of years on our podcast, I'm on a award winning. podcast. Which, you have a podcast now? Congrats. You don't know the Rogan show? Is that you? You need to Google me. I honestly, I keep telling you this. Please just Google.

No, I don't have internet privileges. No, you don't, because you think that the internet's not real. It is. Um, I, uh, I don't measure, my, my measure for success has completely shifted. Yeah. And my measure for success is, am I happy in my life and not associated with my professional life in that way it's it's being happy spending time with my kids being at home all that kind of stuff like those are the things my friends the people are important to me my sort of my support group and all the people that's when all that is good everything else is just gravy so yeah so i you know and even going in doing this film i did it because you know i've had people say like oh did you want people to see you in a different light or you're trying to do all

i was like not really it wasn't i i heard a story this guy john bishop tells me his life story and i'm like wow that's really interesting and he got relief from doing this thing and it brought him closer to himself and his ex-wife and they kind of started talking all these elements that i liked and every step of the way mark chapel responded to that was why we decided to start writing it bradley responded to that's why he came on wanted to rewrite it and work with us and direct it's when Laura came on never with the intention of of how it would be received right what people would think it was because we wanted to do it because we liked it I was just happy that we were potentially getting it made yeah that to me was the victory how people took it was

truly secondary now not to say it's not rewarding when people come out of it and watch it and experience it and say hey i really liked it yeah it that that movie you know it really resonated with me i i really identify with that character i really identify with that sentiment with that emotion where they're at what they're talking about of course that's very gratifying but but first it started with us as kind of weirdly selfish as that's it no i mean and the best of intentions that sets you up for success also and also frees you up i'm sure on set so you're not thinking about the end result you're just enjoying the process yeah you're I was never thinking about, like, how's this thing going to play?

Right. Well, because, I mean, you're a smart guy. You know what this press store was going to be like and certainly indeed has become, which is everybody asking you. I really did it. I'm not that smart. Well, you put it out of your mind, I guess. Because I'm sure you're sick to a degree of having that conversation, like, can you, like, everyone shocked that you have this in you.

Well, I know. You mean that I can compliment. Of course. You were about to say it. I did say that once to somebody recently. I was like, sometimes it feels like a backhand and a compliment. And yet, again, that's another one of those things. I'm not as cynical as I used to be.

I don't think. And maybe that just comes with age. And so when somebody says that, I get what they mean. Yeah. Of course. And for them, they don't know me. They don't spend every day with me. So they're like, I've never seen you do this.

They legit just mean that. Yeah. And that's okay. and and and but again it is something like it never came from a place of something I always thought I could do something like this this is kind of the things that I yeah that I always wanted to do Laura and I were talking about it earlier today when we were making the movie every every element every step of the way was always for the pure joy of doing it right and we liked it and we thought it was you

Worthy, not worthy in sense of like changing lives, but worthy in the sense of a, as a creative endeavor. Yeah. And never felt like work. Nobody was making any money. We had the most incredible crew of all time. You know, Maddie Libatique shooting it. Scott Sakamoto, you know, Mango, all these great guys,

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unless you want the show to follow you. There must be also something freeing and challenging in a way. Like, I mean, you say, like, you know, these were the ambitions starting out, and you certainly have done dramatic work throughout your career. But, like, your bread and butter for many years has been, like, go for the joke. No, like, like, your instinct has been go for,

the joke and you kind of have to let that go even on the stand-up scenes the goal was not to be the most brilliant stand-up yeah he's a mediocre stand-up at best yeah yeah it was it was sort of counterintuitive uh when i was going out there doing this then i remember once years ago i forget where we were but i was with phil lord and chris miller you know we'd done the lego movies and lego badman and everything and we're i want to say we're like at some sort of event or something and Phil turned to me and he said of course you fart for a living and it made me laugh because I was like yeah you're kind of right yeah but when you hear somebody say that to you like oh wow now I guarantee you if Phil were here right now he'd be like dude I didn't mean I love him

and he loves me like it but but I get what he means he's like yeah you're that's what you do you're a goof you kind of goof around um and what was the original well i guess the thing is like your superpower you were one of the quickest people on a set or in real life and like you have to kind of like you were giving up your superpower for this essentially yeah you're dulling your senses yeah a little bit a little bit i mean i had to do that when we were first doing the stand-up where i remember one of the first times going on if not the first time at the cellar Bradley stopping me and saying right before I was going to go, we're doing something different. Yeah. And by that, I knew what he, I knew immediately what he meant, which is don't go in there

and try to win the room. Yeah. Don't go to try to rely on your old bag of tricks, figure out a way. You're not a stand-up, but maybe you can figure out a way to get a cheap laugh doing some bullshit that I've done before or that I'll make up in the moment. Go in there and be this guy. Let it sit there. Be a guy who's talking about his marriage breaking up. see what the audience does and you don't know what's going to happen and then that was the assignment that was interesting because he's not he's not the michael jordan of comedy yeah um he's a guy trying to work out his thing and we don't even tell the story that he goes on to be a comedian we just tell the story that he goes out that he starts to kind of connect things with himself

and and in his wife and so it was that was a different that was a very specific kind of narrow target to him. And also, in addition to that, then in go and have all these scenes, these sort of deeply vulnerable and emotional scenes, you know, touching on issues that a lot of people can relate to. And in order to do them in a way that felt genuine and really connected, forced me to,

and there's no, there's no button on the end of the scene right right there's no way to kind of let the air out of it you know even something like bojack which is just voice in and people reference it all the time and try to sort of you know fit that sort of retroactively fit what everything I do into some sort of like frame of bojack which is the testament how great the show was

and raphael was as a writer but even bojack would have these like deeply profound moments and scenes and stuff and yet always let the air out of the bag right well so much of this film is is like i watched it again last night it's just behavior and like living it's like walking it's it's like if i'm watching the wrestler half the time i'm like following you behind your back yeah pick you up your kids checking up for lice and it's just like there's a power in just the mundanity of living well yeah and you know a really good point which is a you run the risk where if you're dealing with material like this you could get you could end up getting kind of modeling yeah we wanted this to feel

naturalistic and feel real and part of that was behavior you know just the for first of all people generally break up they're not they don't have a big argument in the middle of Times Square right they they pass each other in the hall on a Thursday morning I would say like one person who got the keys in their hand And then the other person's like, hey, by the way, I can't do this anymore. You're like, wait, I'm going to work. Like, what? Yeah.

You know, it just happens like that. And, you know, a lot of it was, there are so many moments in the film where there is no dialogue. So it's just, okay, well, it's Alex walking into his apartment. So Bradley would say, you know, you're going to walk into your apartment. And it's been dressed to look like he's only been there for a couple of days. and he does and he walks in and he's just come from this and he's by himself and he shows me how he wants it to look and where the camera's going to what he's going to do and then and then you got to go in there and just behave like what does that guy do in that moment how do you walk into

an apartment how do you be affected by all the stuff and all the stuff that he's going through in a way that feels really genuine that doesn't feel like acting right and that takes a say like because you could go like all right I'm going to go in there and play the guy doing the thing no right go in there and be the guy doing that right have the confidence that just being is going to be enough deep breath yeah letting go letting go of all my bullshit all this stuff that I think that I know don't worry about hitting your mark don't worry about all this stuff don't worry about anything just be this guy and this sort of actory and whatever as that sounds it was a much more difficult you know i watch these actors all the time and i think i look at a guy like benicio del

torro and i watch how effortlessly he moves and what he does and how he inhabits these characters and i and i often wonder i'm like does he even does he ever struggle with moments does he ever have those things i wonder i you know it's an arts making it look that easy yeah yeah it's the best and he makes i mean that's a guy who i think deserves more credit than he gets. Yeah. Because, and part of the thing is he makes it look so effortless and he makes it look so easy. You don't even realize what, how brilliant he is. Yeah, I mean, remember how much like he underplayed it in Sicario? Like, he's like barely speaking. He's incredible. And people go, and I think that there are people who would go and not, and I'm not suggesting that they're not

sophisticated. They just go like, well, he's just being this guy. You have no idea. Right. And I think other actors recognize that and go, oh, dude, what that guy's doing is next fucking level. He's not coming in there with like half a leg and sort of Scott, a shackson. You know what I mean? Yeah. And like, everyone's like, wow, look at that with this. No, he's going in there as being this guy and all his, all the stuff that he's doing is is sort of internal and coming

and he's showing you in very little very subtle ways these very subtle little colors fucking unbelievable man this is also going to be a very big film for people waiting for the rocker reunion of you and Bradley Cooner finally the rocker heads out there

I can't give any updates on that guys I have so much exciting news for you yeah I'll never forget I did a Q&A with Rain for the rocker that had like three people in the audience it was like the sad it's like the whole Q&A it was it was like There was, it was like, right, in real time, we saw what was happening to that film.

It was just, it was just A, no cues. Exactly. Exactly. But you go back with Bradley before that, I assume. What's the origin story of you in Bradley? Bradley and I, we met through my ex through Amy. And when we first started dating and she was vetting me with her friends. and we went for, we met for drinks with Bradley and Janine Graflo at McManus on Seventh Ave, which used to be my local for many years.

I was part of the furniture in there for way too long. And what is, I mean, I love that this is his third directing effort. He's clearly like passionate about like excavating relationships and the rawest ways in all the permutations of that. And you kind of alluded to this, but like, you know, he's a friend. He also can direct pretty much anything he wants right now. And for him to say, like, I want to work with you on this at this point in my career. That's a meaningful act of generosity and friendship and all of this. For sure. Yeah. I mean, it is. And, you know, it's, it is a very generous act. and it is a bit but at the same time it also felt very um a it it was very gratifying that he

connected with the material yeah i i want to i feel like i i don't want to sound like he's no you of faith no no no no he obviously connect like of course this is right and what i'm saying is this is this is right in line with what he loves yes and what i was going to say is i just like that he connected with it and i like that it was a vote of confidence that he connected with the idea that of me playing this part and that he was and it was through our relationship that he did recognize and it was generous in the sense that this kind of stuff isn't wasn't coming my way and he recognized that and said this you should do something like this and I'm going to come and do it with you because you can do this in a way that I maybe didn't even fully believe

in myself when he the film that we presented him with that he read um had it really fully excavated the relationship um in the way that it ended up being after he got his hands on it uh he understood like oh there's a lot here and you can do this and you are going to do and i'm going to do it with you and so so in that way it was very generous do you think he resents that you're batman and he's he's Jorel that's not I mean that's like a that's like second tier that's not a superhero I don't know dude

you tell me did my demeanor just shift well your body language did and your voice changed how many Batman do you think you could you could beat up of the actual Batman yeah yeah well Adam West is dead

so I'm not as you to beat up a dead body oh I was saying so one okay the grave out kill me sadly you don't think that I could be that but dead man I mean there's certain dead man I mean I bet ad west is very fit even now talk about a nod of a voter confidence I mean sure okay but but okay excluding oh yeah let's go with the living ones living Batman um bail Clooney what do we got uh Pattinson person bail Clooney patentson oh man Keaton of course and Keaton yeah is that it? I think that's all we got. Yeah. Keaton has some ears on you, but have you seen that guy? He's

fit. He's wiry. He is. It's all sinewy muscle. I would not mess with Michael Keating. Right. Uh, Affleck, tough kid. He's a truck. He's like a tank. I know this is. Cloney. He's had some like knee problems. He's got some edge. I'd have to like kick him in the knee. Right. And you're not above that. We know that you're fighting stuff. Above that. I'm starting with that. Are you kidding? Above that. We're talking to street fight. Right. And bail? I don't know how to street fight. But you know the term. I have. I am familiar with the term. Bail, he's Welsh. I have no idea. What does that even mean? I don't know. He's probably like, you know, pennies in a sock. I mean, this guy's going to. He's going to be. He's going to go, he's going to curb stop me probably about the end of it. So I guess none of them. Do you have a vote? I mean, every Batman gets the vote on the next Batman. Yeah. Who do you want to see? play Batman. We do a secret

ballot thing. We kind of do like the Pope thing with the smoke. Yeah. Who did I like to see? I mean I don't know. There's so many good people out there who be good as the next Batman. People like the Reacher guy, Alan Richson. Sure.

He'd be good. Nice kid. He'd be really good. Probably Conan. Couldn't O'Brien. Or Conan the Coroner O'Brien. Conan O'Brien. Yeah. Well, it's a choice. I'd like to see it.

Yeah. Has... I'd love to see him do it, and he's wearing the, you know, the, whatever, the, the scale, the thing, and then you just... He's talking, and then you just see a piece of red hair sticking through it inside. And you're like, wait a second. Batman's a ginger? It's time.

Guys, we're fine. You know what I mean? But let's talk about some of your... Man. What happened? Obviously, no offense, so the gingers. You can't. canceled by the ginger community.

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Let's talk with Nell and I. That's my movie. With Nell and I, you could do a drinking... Or me, you mean. What's that? No, but you? You always bring it up. Yeah.

Have you broken bread with Richard E. Grant? Have you ever spoken with? I have broken bread with Richard E. Grant. About a month before I met John Bishop, on the same fateful trip to Europe, I had a chance to it. It was a mutual friend's birthday, and we had dinner in a restaurant, and it was tremendous. And I had a moment where I was kind of at the table. And somebody who's between us

And I kind of leaned back And he was kind of there And I just went Hey man, I'm sorry, I had risk of embarrassment you I just gotta tell you I just Everything you know with it was such an incredible Foreign said I know you were

I'm probably talking about it was 30 years ago And et cetera But it had such an impact on me And my life As a narcissist as an actor And okay great Who wants dessert? Like I just

I was so I had to get it out Yeah I had to get it out And I should have But I will say We did end up staying in touch And he's such a lovely guy And it was really gratifying to go and do show our film in London a couple of times this fall.

And we had a screening and we went back into the green room and nobody told me they knew I'd be excited. And there he was. And he'd come to see the film. That's sweet. And it was, and he was really complimentary and he gave me a big hug. And to think that what 17-year-old me would think that I made a film that he came and saw. was incredible. That's like little Josh, so grew up watching your work, because I'm so much younger than you. Stupid little Josh. No, I didn't say stupid. I said little Josh. I said little.

I thought you said stupid. That's interesting that you heard that. No, why would I say stupid little Josh? I have no idea. So little stupid Josh is sitting there. Little stupid Josh is sitting there. Little fucking moron idiot. That's not true. You don't feel that about me. Which part? You're so old? No. What? The whole point of it was trying to make you feel old again. Yeah. Oh, that was a point. So I'm glad that I shamed you then.

What do you tell you what? What? Good offense beats good defense every time. What was... Prevent defense prevents you from winning. I don't watch sports. That's not from sports. That's from theater.

Oh. The theater of sports. Please stop winging into the camera. Why? I'm right here. The camera loves me. It does, but... Okay.

What was peak arrested? What's the episode, the season when you go... It's insulting. Okay. Peak arrested was. Which season, which arc? Season two. That's it.

I think so. I think season two hit our stride really felt like it was... Remind me of where was Job at then? What were you? What was season two? He was running the company. He came in like a run. It was like Iraq, and then the rock.

Thank you. And then she came in with the thing and the pennies. He made it ring pennies at the board meeting. It was all that stuff. It was the $6,000 suit. Right. It was the C-word. You got to get rid of the C-word and she says, I heard that.

All these great moments, not just the jokes. I think that we were really in such an amazing groove of that time. Yeah. We just come off winning the Emmy. We were drunk on ice cream. Like, literally, not a metaphor. No, not a metaphor. No, not a metaphor.

Is it a ghost to send a meme of yourself from arrested? Do you ever do that? Have you ever sent? I have. I have done it. I'm trying to think what the thread was. I did it to annoy somebody. It was a while ago.

And they were like, you can't send a meme of yourself. And then I kept responding in different memes. Which was the first one, the initial, do you remember? I mean, I've made a huge mistake. It's just always works in every situation. I've made a huge mistake. It was definitely in there. Gosh, I don't even remember.

I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember doing that to annoy a friend of mine. Again, you cannot said, which is, of course, you double down. Okay, some random stuff for you. Okay. I covered G-Force. I was at that junket. I assume you were, too. Did you spend time with Nick Cage?

Does he know that he was in a film with you? Yeah, well, we all get together once a year. The G-Force gang. Yep. My kids made fun of me recently for that film, and I was like, how are your braces? Pretty good. How was the roof over your head?

You want to make fun of dad's choices? Right. More than dad does? I feel like I would get along well with your kids. I see what, they are relentless, my teenage sons. They're really fun. but they're relentless. What was the name of your character in Jonah Hex?

Do you remember that? Lieutenant. I don't remember the grass. Grass. Yeah. Lieutenant Grass. Is there any happy memory related to Jonah Hex? Is there a moment you're like, oh shit, rap?

It's a rap and well or not? No, I had, no, that's not true. I actually had a, there were some, there were some fun days. It was chaotic. That film was chaotic. But I do remember switching hotels. They had me somewhere, and I said, no. And they go, okay, well, we're going to drive you to.

So they drove me around. They were like, the first place, they took me to this place. And there was like a little sort of boutiquey kind of, a little threadbare hotel, but kind of cool. And all I see on a balcony, like on the second floor balcony, is John Malkovich taking your socks out to dry them the sum at this hotel. I'm good here. I want to be part of this.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the dream. I mean, I'm such an admirer of his and I just wanted to. And also, like, we had dinner a couple times, like a bunch of us. And just listening to John Malikovic talk about his experiences just in the world. Yeah. Amazing.

I mean, he, according to him, he had just gotten back. By the way, this is like 2009, I think. He'd just gone back from, by his account, Constantinople. See a time traveler? Which. Which. I adored about him because he's really

genuine about who he is I just love people who are like genuinely them on top of being an amazing artist he's just like I just love that dude so this is like the he wouldn't remember me I mean honestly come on in

he wouldn't oh my god this is like the old godfather versus godfather two debate do you prefer teenage munich turtles one or out of the shadows you are putting me in a very difficult position I'll give me $50 if you can name both directors of each of each of those films Teen Wolf and T-dub T-dub 2 I'm not doing teen wolf T-M-N-T your films

oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh teen wolf what are you doing what are you sorry teenage mutant ninja turtles you're wearing teen wolf I don't know I've got dementia Thanks for that exclusive. That's great. Well, Ornett's dementia. No, TMNT. I don't want to save it for the day that Thoreau and has his baby, so my news are dipped every... I've already forgot.

What do I have? It's hysterical. Yeah, it's a word of Idria. It's not going to make the dementia go away. TMNT1 or TMNT2. Somebody who got it. Okay. Right, again, you're trying to make fun of me.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. two out of the shadow. Yes. And who was the director for bonus points for each of this? Jonathan Leesman is the first film. Yes. And David Green, the second one. I'm an asshole. I was on those films. I know, but you check out. We know this about it. Obviously. The only thing I checked was paycheck. Hey, there it is. Last time you, no, we're not to, okay. Well, you can do it? Yeah, I'll do it. Okay. up. Do you remember the last time you had to audition? You're not an audition guy anymore. Yeah. The last time I had to go in an audition. I mean, I probably should audition. When I say

nothing comes my way, I'm sure there were things that I could have go up for. The last thing that I legitimately went and audition for might have been Jonah Hex Really? Yeah And see where that got you Got me his part There's a lesson there

Yeah It got me to dinner with John Malcolm Yeah, you got to see his socks That's true, I guess, yeah Were you a good auditioner back in the day? I was, I got good People talking about it all the time Like you get, that becomes a thing

And then you get a job And you're like, oh shit, I've never got to do it Right You hear that a lot But it becomes it's true Yeah, it's a thing that you got to kind of get good at. Because like in the, we've talked about

like kind of the road to arrested, like you were getting jobs, just they weren't turning into anything. Exactly right. And so I got a lot of, yeah, I got a lot of, I ended up like doing a bunch of pilots and testing for a bunch of pilots, getting close or doing stuff

and kind of eking out a living. But none of it really, yeah. And it was only, arrested was funny, because i think i've told this before but only because i'd i'd been fired off a job the year before and i didn't want to do it the kind of the woman who cast it it the thing and it's like we can't find this part can and i finally went okay i'll go in i wasn't good to audition for probably season that year and there's the only thing i read for and then change my life okay we're going to end here the profoundly random questionnaire for you will

are you ready yeah dogs or cats what do you collect Souls Not surprising, but Not surprising. I don't really Okay, that's not true. Full disclosure I don't have time for the year.

Yeah, yeah, I get it, yeah, you're a busy man. Full disclosure. Jackets. Like bomber jacket? What kind of... Just anything. Any outer layer you want? Coats and jackets.

I'm... Anybody who knows me knows it, that's a totally true story. And even people are like, wow, you got a lot of jackets. And I don't, I generally don't throw any of them away, so I have someone that are like 30 years old. Right. I just... I wonder there's this friction with you and Thoreau. He's trying to strip all his clothing off.

You're trying to wear up. Layer up. The best video game of all time is... Call up duty. What's the wallpaper on your phone? Right now, well, right now it's my three sons. Yeah, this is accepted that. Here's a new thing that my 15-year-old taught me

was doing the wallpaper on a chat. Oh. Do you know how to do that? No, I don't. I don't know how to use the internet, remember it. I don't remember because remember I'm having to learn it through a whole thing. My son showed me how to do wallpaper on a chat, like on a text thread. and on a thread with Sean and Jason,

let me see if I can do this in a way that you can't read what I wrote about you. It's just a picture of eating. Love it. It's so good. Last actor you were mistaken for. Myself. That's that work.

True story. Like what's today? Last Thursday. So less than a week ago, We were in London standing outside of this restaurant. I was with Mark Chappell, my ready partner, another friend of ours, Lewis. And these girls come up and this girl, goes,

the French girl, and she goes, I have to say, you look so much like the guy from the rest of the film. And I go, I get that all the time. She goes, no, but really you look like him. I go, I know. But different, like kind of when I go older, and she goes, yeah, but older.

And I go, well, yeah. And then she goes, but she goes, I can't remember her name. And I go, and she's sort of going to go, I am him. And she goes, no, no, no, but you do look like him. I go, okay, well, then fine. At which point, she's like, no, and she goes, but I can't, I go, well, why you Google them? Tell me.

She goes, okay, I will, but it's not, but it is so close, huh? And she pulls out with this, and then she goes, ah, we'll earn it. At which point, when she looks up, I'm holding my driver's license. And I go, okay? And she goes, oh, it is you. And I go, yeah, I told you. Yeah, we could have. But it was so good.

It was mistaken for myself, didn't believe, because. I look older. The theme of the interview. I'm old? No. What's the worst noted director has ever given you, Will Arnett? Have fun with it.

You don't like that? It's the worst. Anytime you do anything, here's what I was saying this earlier, like you'll go, you'll do something and the worst, the thing that I don't like here is like go. You know what I thought would be really fun?

I'm like, uh-oh. Work. Do you know what I thought would be really funny? Let's hear it. Okay. And finally, rapid fire, I promise. Actor that always makes you happy. Actor that always...

You see them on screen, you're in a better mood. Actor that always makes me happy. You've no joy in your heart, nothing. No, I'm just trying to think, John Goodman. Yeah. Yeah. Movie that makes you sad. Um,

movie that makes me sad. I watch a lot. You ever seen a movie before? I've never seen... You should try one of those movies. Explain to me. What is a movie that makes me sad? Let's go to prison?

And if brother Saladin, they're a missed opportunity. And a food that makes you confused. that makes you confused oh and a food that makes me confused pentacotta the dessert is it the consistency like the no just nobody wants it it's on the menu nobody's ordering it stop okay it's one of those things like no you're making it you think nobody else wants it it's a hot take from will or not hey hey congratulations in all earnestness you kill it in this movie thank you it's Yeah, good, dude.

I'm sorry for the passive-aggressive vibe, but this is what we do. He ain't felt aggressive. No. Not a ton of passive. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate you. That you do. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused.

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