Happy Sad Confused - Winona Ryder

Episode Date: October 12, 2015

Miss Winona Ryder has been a movie geek from a very young age watching Cassavetes films thanks to her mother's projectionist connections. Winona joins Josh to talk about trying to jump into Fantasia the first time she went to the movies and being asked to leave, becoming friends almost immediately with Tim Burton, and the status of the Beetlejuice sequel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thanks for tuning into this week's podcast, this week's guest, Ms. Winona Ryder. I'm very excited about this one. I'm also super excited about the fact that my office is filled with three fascinating, humorous, wonderful people that have helped me over the years with after hours and podcasts and lots of other sort of things in no discernible order. Can you do it in order? In order of people I like from least to mo. No. There's Joel, there's Sammy, there's Michael. You've heard them all on the podcast intro, but never together.

Guys, you should say hello in unison. Hello. No, no, shh. Okay, don't make them turn it off already. Josh, I just want to say it's great to be here. That was Michael affecting. What voice was that? Yeah, what was that?

He's just a man who's happy to be around other people. I spend so much time alone. There's so much going on, guys. We're very busy. We just spend a little time brainstorming some fun ideas for upcoming sketch. Speaking of which, if you haven't checked it out, the latest one that just went up a couple days ago, as you hear this, was with Mr. Hugh Jackman. Very funny. You're not familiar with the work of him?

I have not seen his work. Oh, he's a bastard. He was in swordfish. Oh, okay. Yeah, remember the other than Salisbury Joint? Yeah, exactly. Kate Leopold. But I don't say that, like, ironically.

Kate Leopold is a pretty good movie. All I said was Kate Leia. Yeah, but I felt it. What's the one about the tree that won't die? The fountain's great. The fountain. Love the fountain. Everyone freaked out when Hugh shaved his head for pan.

And I was like, does no one remember the fountain when he was like a big, bald baby in the house too? Again, for those newcomers to the podcast, Sammy's the biggest Hugh Jackman fan ever. What are the Q fans called again? I was going to say, I'm in Ozalot. What? Azzalot. I said it in Australian. But in English, it's Ozalot.

We were sad that you weren't at the shoot. I'm sure Hugh was looking around the room saying, wait, there's one. thing missing from a Josh Horowitz sketch, my Ozawa. But Michael gave me the horn that he blew on after, which is now at my desk. Oh, that's not creepy at all. Spoiled the sketch for everybody. Now they know there's a horn in it. Although, wait, I actually meant to, I'm happy that we're, you know, live on the air right now. We're not left here. You're going to edit this out. So Michael gave me this horn and was like Hugh, this was the one that Hugh had. And it's this green horn. And then I watched the sketch. And Hugh blows on our,

a red horn. Oh, you know what horn you have? No. Is it yours? No. That's so upsetting. No, in the sketch,

for those that haven't watched it, not to reveal too much, but he basically creates his own really crappy Neverland in tune with the film pan, which is now out. No, it's the horn that's making on the ironing board

probably. Remember the one that's... Was it in Hugh Jackman's mouth? Oh, my God. Yes, we did multiple... I love that game Almost everything in the room was in his mouth The point is that sketch is up on the MTV News YouTube page

You should check it out Thank you. It is funny Hugh Jackman, super professional, super funny Always kills it Thrilled that he took part in that A lot more cool stuff coming up There is some Hittleston stuff Yes I know every

It wouldn't be a podcast if Hittleston didn't come up But there is some Hittleston fun That is coming up very, very soon Speaking of which Crimson Peak is out this week If you haven't heard Guillermo Del Toro In last week's podcast he was great I'm really excited for this movie And I'm not saying this to puppet

I for some reason I think it's like I haven't seen a Guillemot del Toro movie in a while I like spooky stuff Maybe it's that time of year Your voice got weird on the creepy the creepy I don't know sometimes I'll just sit at home and think about Roberto Benini Introduces Crimson Peak

The creepy That is excellent Every moment don't go on the house You got to go, Michael. He's too much energy. No, speaking of a lot of energy, I was very excited going into this podcast. You guys know my love for Winona Ryder, right? I mean, we're not going to go crazy on this, but Winona is somewhat, you know, like she...

Winona's your hue. She's kind of my hue. She, you know, like I've seen all of her stuff. Certainly growing up, I was into Heather's like everybody and all the stuff. Bram Stokritz, Dracula hit me at the right time. Love that movie. What was just a cool movie? Give me your top three Winona's.

I think you got to go Heather's. I think you go Edward Cisorhands, Heather's, and Bram Stoker for me. I think you just call it Bram Stoker. The B.S. Dracula. The B.S.D, baby. I just have a fondness for that movie. I love, not just Winona.

I love Oldman and that is amazing. I love that movie. So this was, honestly, a huge thrill. I've interviewed her a bunch before, But I don't know, it is mind-boggling to, like, when you talk to people that you've, like, grown up, like, worshiping in some way and just, like, loving all their stuff when, like, they actually know who you are, it's a little, it fucks with your brain a little bit. It's a little bizarre, in a good way. Do you start the whole interview, like, hmm, hi, I'm Josh. Oh, my God, I'm bringing it out.

You'll hear, you'll hear, you'll hear the whole thing. There's a lot of mutual love here. No, we talk about that a lot. Her new movie is called Experimenter. It's her and Peter Sarsgard, based on True Story. the Stanley Milgram experiments, the psychological experiments that he did. A really cool film done in a unique way.

There's like a rear projection in it. You know those old process shots when people are driving in cars from the old days where you see like the stuff like going in the background. But this one, it's done purposefully in like a weird artie way that works for the film. There's also an elephant that just shows up in the film for no reason a couple times.

It's out there. Why did you point at Joel when I said elephant? Joel's always Joel always plays the elephant in the Winona Ryder movies Oh interesting Little known factor So yes

Experimenter comes out this Friday Look out for that And I don't know What else do we talk about Are you guys excited You haven't heard this interview With Winona I'm very excited

What do you make of Winona Because she's kind of an enigma Wrapped inside a riddle She's kind of I'm a big Winona Like Edward Cizzerhands Is one of my favorite movies ever

It's kind of when you When I started to do research to think about like she's done as you were asking you beetle juice she's on like five or six like legitimate classics yeah um so it's good to see her uh working and people are always talking about like her comeback she has been working consistently but uh it's good to see her in in a film of this type it's here also if you haven't seen show me a hero which was on hbo her and oscar isick really good um so yeah i'm just excited that uh you know she's in cool projects that are worth talking about right this is there's everything about winona is excited

I'm glad one of you one of you is Joel was just staring at it Joel why did I bother bring you into this podcast today I don't know I'm just sitting here judging everything

yeah not in a good way I said Kate Leopold and that was my out that's all you had to say though to be honest you don't you should have left that's fair enough I won't say who's coming up

on the podcast just because I don't know in what order we're running things but there's some really cool there's a cool film two filmmakers one of which I already taped one of which I'm taping in a couple days

that I absolutely adore that I'm thrilled that we'll be on the podcast soon so yeah we're going strong as always you know hit me up on Twitter tell me what filmmakers actors you want to hear Joshua Harowitz is my Twitter handle tell me which of the three

co-hosts for the intro you like best Joel Sammy or Michael and what are your Twitter handles tell us guys Sammy Heller with a Y S-M-M-Y What do you want to hear from the happy say confused audience why they would choose what they just why they would choose me over

Joel or myself like specific like specifically right or why not you know what I mean you can take criticism you're good at taking criticism yeah I'll I feel like you're not I'll sob about it in your office tomorrow but I'll whatever I'm more followers uh that's at Sammy Hiller who's next mine is I always forget mine it's at MJ Wolf and Wolf has three W I mean 3-0, shoot. Okay, wait, no, okay, we're starting. I'm not editing. I'm not editing.

It's at MJ Wolf, and Wolf has three O's. Wait, O's are W's or S? Did someone already have, the W debacle? Wait, did somebody already have two O's? No, I made it in college, so I... Oh, that explains everything, that's just... No, they already took that one, so I took

three O's. Who did? M.J. Wolf. I don't know, I haven't, I don't look at my... Considering that you did. even remember your Twitter handle, must mean your tweets are really good. I've been tweeting more recently. I really, to be, I mean, I'll be honest. Please, please. Please. I've got nothing to hide from you people. I didn't tweet a lot and I recently have been a lot more and I had, it's been fun. Glad you shared that. That was a big revelation. Thanks. With that preamble. And I want people to tell

me what their celebrity crush is and by that I mean what celebrity you'd like to be crushed to death under. Michael will have them put an object in their mouth and then he'll give it to you. your favorite What's your Twitter handle And what do you want to know? My Twitter handle is at real

Hugh Jackman I want to know if you're team Edith or team Jacob Beena No it's it's Beau Bo and Edith

No but who's Jacob Jules Team Edith or team Jules? Did you read it? Yeah Josh I gave it a solid read

I want to know if you're team Kate or team Leopold Call back Team Breck and Meyer Team Heather's or team Edwards is her hands Oh, Edwards is their hands

For sure Well, the dancing in the snow scene Sammy's going to another beautiful place right now Please enjoy this conversation with Oh, I should say one note on the recording of this When Nona tends to speak very softly So we're gonna, no seriously she does She's very soft-spoken

She also kind of like does this A very endearing thing where she will kind of speak off mic As if it's very endearing No, but it's a headache for me and you listeners, but she kind of like, you know, like, conspiratorially kind of like will kind of go off mic and kind of whisper something. Well, like in your ear? No, not like that degree. I'm just saying, listen intently on this. She's soft spoken.

Turn the volume up. It's just her way. It's a bo's speakers. And just revel in this wonderful conversation. It was a treat for me, and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I'm happy for you. I really am that you had this experience. Thank you, Sammy. I really am.

I think I, I feel like no one gives you that special moment. Cue the, the music at the end of Edward's their hands. You're going to start dancing. And then I'm going to throw you out the window. Enjoy the podcast. Bye. Nothing, Joel. No last words?

No, I don't know. Hey, guys. Hi. Hello, Josh. I do. How you doing? Welcome. I made this as impossible for you to get through as possible.

Wait. What's that? Are we on camera? We're going to do photos at the end. Okay. Oh, we're just audio here. Nice and simple. How's it going?

How's it? I can't get to you. It's good to see. Relative, I know. Exactly. Wait back to a stettle somewhere. I was at, like, I was at, like,

I was at my, like, third second. her, second, third cousins about mitzvah. Yeah. And you were all, and you were, like, there was a huge discussion on whether you were,

because there's a couple of Joshes. They're more than a couple. Like Josh Horses in, our family. Oh, really? But they're like, not the right age. No, they're not. There's only one.

Yeah, whatever you're comfortable. Is this, uh, what is this, uh, radio show? So, I do a podcast. I don't know if you ever listen. I need to, like, figure out the podcast situation because, I love Here's the thing Oh yeah, me too

Oh my god What a great I'll show you like I'll subscribe I don't know how I You know how you have to keep updating your phone

Yeah And then you like Yeah I lose the things So But I had a few I'm really I really need to

Figure that out Please I'm 39 Going on like 99 In technology It's the oldest man In MTV ever I know It's like

You know Like apps What am I 12? I feel like, you know, the old... Why am I playing Tetris? So, yeah, so it's literally just a casual conversation. Okay.

As opposed to the very stiff conversations that we usually have. Oh, yes, of course. But it's good to see you. It's good a while. It's great to see you, too. I guess I saw you in Sundance for this one, actually. And did you see the film in Sundance? So I was going to say, I saw it in Sundance, and I watched it yesterday because it's been so long.

Oh, okay. Because I only saw it in Sundance. I was my first time seeing it. Oh, really? know if it's changed. I honestly don't remember. What I would say is that, like, I frankly appreciated it a lot more now. I think partially because, I mean, I liked it in Sundance, but I think the, I mean, for me, on my perspective, I'm seeing too much. It's hard to, like, absorb. Yeah. I'm just seeing two or three movies a day. It's a lot. Oh, my God. I was on

the jury. I had to see five a day. Oh, you're on that jury. And then make up, like, five, because I did the day for the experimenter. Right. So it was like, that's a job. Kind of heaven, but kind of like, I mean, you're just. running to you because you can't miss like a minute sure if you're on the jury you know yeah they you have to see everything i would think yeah yeah yeah you can't come in like five minutes late or yeah yeah anyway by the way i um i remember when i saw you there you were excited about it and you should and i now know why uh show me a hero which i saw did you see it was great oh good so good it was really great i know i'm so happy like that was made like you know i mean like that like

HBO like that HBO can do that because it's it's for a particular audience I'm sure it's whatever the numbers were or not like it's not exactly the sexiest uh you know subject matter but it it definitely um I was captivated like you know but I'm into that kind of stuff but um I mean how Oscar how oh my God like it was almost like a court leone yeah like Oh, totally. You know how everyone talks about Pacino being, like, kind of very still and quiet? And then when he explodes, you got to explode. Yes.

That was sort of, I feel like Oscar is sort of definitely in that territory. Totally. You know. I love the most violent year. I love everything he's done in the last few years. So that's partially what I want to talk to you about today, because I've always gotten the sense that we've never had a chance to talk, like, at length. But, like, you're a legit, like, movie geek.

Like, I mean, like, hardcore. I think this is maybe why we're. we get along. So talk to me a little bit about what were the, like, what were the movies and filmmakers the first things you got obsessed with when you were a kid? Well, I was really lucky because, um, my mom who went to the University of Minnesota, yeah, it's one of the mince. She was a projectionist in college. And, um, she had some, when we lived, like we lived for four years on this commune that was like by the way i i'm only saying this because i just got asked this by a couple people it was not a cult i know there were communes that were like culty this was like just

seven families living on jim jones and the citaday there was nothing oh i guess i guess a lot of like the communes were anyway sure anyway we she some had some connection with the some i guess her call it somebody and we and she had a projection so cool and player and she um played old movies we would go into the barn we put up a sheet and you know remember those like backrests like futon sure and so i at a very young age started watching like uh you know i remember i really remember to kill a mockingbird was a big one for me and And, I mean, this was early. This was before I was, this was between six and ten, maybe.

I remember, I remember seeing some cast of Eddie's movies, which I didn't understand at the time. I later came to be kind of obsessively appreciate. And, you know, classics like, you know, Gigi and stuff like that. Um, but she really, that, that was kind of like a, a thing that we would do. That's amazing. And I don't, I, I, I want to talk to her about how she actually, because it was film. Yeah. Where did she get those?

She had a connection with, um, because, well, let's see, she went to college in Minneapolis, but then I think she went to, like, she worked for like harbors and Collins. And, but I, both of my parents went to like eight years of college, you know, like they were like the people that were, like, they were academics. Stay in it as long as they can. I want to keep warning. Yeah. So I think she just threw through that, through those, you know, those can, you know.

Nice. Yeah. So what was it for you then when you started to get on film sets on Lucas and on what? Well, I also have one other really quick story. Please. The first movie that I saw, which, and I, experimenter played at the New York, I mean, at the San Francisco Film Festival and in the Castro. And that was the theater that I saw my first movie in, and it was Fantasia. And apparently I, like, ran up and I, like, splatted myself.

I tried to get in the movie, and they, like, made me leave. Because I was, like, five or whatever. And I, like, I mean, I ran up, and my parents said that I, like, jumped up. And, like, like, and I was like, I need, I want to get in. And, and then... That became a Woody Allen movie, Purple Rose of Cover. Exactly, right? Jeff Adams.

But I, I thought that was so funny because that's sort of what I then... You literally did, you manifested that. Yes. So was it mind-boggling? Like, did you, it sounds like, like, even at a young age, when you started to be on film sets, it must have been a thrill to say the least. Yes. Well, also because I was so, like...

lucky in the sense that, like, my parents, I think were probably, I think they were very sensitive and concerned with Hollywood, quoting, air quotes, whatever. And they never, we never moved there. Right. And we, and they were also kind of strict about, um, which movies, I, Like, I wasn't in any position to pass on anything. Sure. But that's how it looked, because to go to L.A. Yeah. It was like a nine-hour drive.

Right. So if I, if we didn't go into REIT, it would look like, oh, she's really, she's really, she's really, like, she's really, like, yeah, exactly. It was like totally. Yeah. And, but I remember I really wanted to, River's edge. because I had such a crush on Keanu and but my parents because it was a sex scene in it and I was like 14 or 50 you know I was very young like they were very protective in that way probably for the best yes and then I also had to I think I've told you this I had to maintain a 4.0 and I could only work during the summers which I so appreciate now at the time I was like let me get to work I want to do this stuff yeah yeah I could I'm ready for all this guys. I'm 15 years old.

Plus, I wasn't having a great time in school. Right. But, you know, I really appreciate that now. I didn't move out until I was 18. Right. Really. So did it feel like apples and oranges? Because by the time, I guess, Beetlejuice, that was just the third film by my count.

Yeah. And it's clearly a much different kind of film than any other film, let alone the first two you had done. Did it feel like, as I, my voice goes, like that you'd found like, okay. okay, this is, this is my real thing. This is like, this is an artist. This is kind of like what I want to be in. Well, no in the sense that, okay, the first two, I did Lucas and then I did this movie Square Dance, which was a very important movie for me because it was with Jane Alexander

and Jason Robarts, who became my mentors. and it was sort of where I learned you know I have these very vivid memories of like it was at the end of the day and we were rehearsing for the next day scene and I was like you know totally going for it and crying and like they were like honey you know you don't need to go to 11 yeah you know like but I didn't know that and and I learned a lot and I also stayed in touch with them and they were became my mentors Beetlejuice was more like I had no idea that Tim was the director

like I think did I tell you the story of meeting him like I think so yeah I was in I went to the studio and was in like an office waiting you know this guy comes in like I think he's from maybe the art department or a messenger

and we just start talking for And we're, like, talking about, like, Edward Gorey and, like, old movies and, like, you know, all this stuff. And then I'm, after, like, 45 minutes, I'm like, do you know where those Tim Burton guy is? And he's like, oh, that's me. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, do you want me to read? Oh, my God. And he was like, no, no.

Like, that was the meeting, you know? And, but I didn't, that was big for me because I didn't know that a director could be so, like, young. and cool. He was a peer almost, yeah, I would think. Yeah, I mean, you know, I was 15, you know, but he was like 20. I remember he was going to, he was debating going whether he should go to his high school reunion. Which would have been, I know, but he was like kind of obsessed because, and then he did go. Oh my God.

Because, and he said that all the like people that were mean and like picked on him were like, miserable, like, you know, heavy, like, just, and then the, the girls that were picked on were, like, gorgeous, you know, you, anyway, um, but Tim, like, was sort of the first real, like, friend, like, I don't, not to say the other directors weren't friends, but, like, partially because of age and because of his way of, like, and then, and then he also, like, cast me, in um edward scissors hands like i was like the first person cast i have to show you something well i was going to say also he in edward like i mean you and johnny you're both cast like way against type in that like i know that he saw in you something else but what's funny is what was i just going to show you oh i was going to show you this is like this was like my heaven for like how I spent

like this was me at 16 with Carl Malden Jessica Tandy um Vincent Price John Glover Vincent Price Vincent Price's wife

and I used to go to these dinners at Roddy McDowell's house I was going to say photo by Roddy McDowell yeah he used to have these amazing dinners where like all these amazing people and like so I've always had this weird thing of like relating much more to older people and um especially like i used to my mom was a a hospice worker and i would go with her and i was all this was before acting yeah really

and during but i was always like oh my god each one of them it's a it's a movie like you know like because they like lived through wars and and um i was always sort of had this sort of cinematic mind in a way so but Tim was it was it is a very special relationship because of the

telepathy you know part of it and and stuff and I I've I am friends with other directors I just talked to Dan Waters

yesterday who you know I was I was watching this show on Netflix, that a lot of these shows, like, they kind of reference Heather's, or they have, you know about this? Oh, my God, yes. Oh, okay, so, like, even, like, scandal, like, there's a line where, like, the, I don't know if it was, like, the speaker of the house or something, it was like, this isn't

Westerberg High. And, like, it's just, and then there was a show. So, revenge. That was like, Kelsopri, Kellear me impressed. Like, oh, it's everywhere still. I mean, it's, and I'm, by the way, not criticism. I'm just like, it's exciting.

So I was like, Dan, do you know about that? He was like, honey. You know, I was watching for like the 1,000th time last night, a little bit of Heather's. And it is striking how. The vernacular, but like so much the things that it's tackling that we're dealing with today in terms of. I mean, even, like, in serious ways, like, in suicide, bullying, gay bashing, like, it's all in there. I was wondering, because it came up, I heard you might know more than I do, I heard they're, like, remaking little women. Oh, really?

They're doing reality bites as a series that Ben is producing that is perpetually set in 1992 or something. But I don't, that's not, like, I don't know that. Yeah, yeah. And then, Beetle twos, hopefully. And then I remember the woman who did the Big Sea bought Heather's and or was going to do Heather's and then Sandy Hook happened. So that got dropped. But it was going to be like, I mean, she didn't approach us or Dan.

And Dan was like, you know, it was like she should, yeah, like she should have at least checked it. But it was, like, supposed to be me and sort of Christian's kid, the Ashley's. And, you know, whatever. But I just don't, I just feel like. Let's do a sequel. We don't need, we need you guys in there. Or always you, the living people, at least. I've always felt like Lydia, Veronica,

are like, there are some characters. I mean, they feel, I'm not saying they don't, they feel incomplete, but I, I, feel like I could... Yeah. You know. Hey, guys, I've got a question for you. I think I know the answer to, but let me ask it anyway. Would you classify yourself as a geek, gamer, or pop culture nerd?

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I was like, I just said to us, like, I'm going to see Josh. What am I going to say? Because, because the problem is I honestly don't. Like, I know that someone showed me like the headlines after I sort of went on Seth Myers. Yes, I saw that. Yeah.

And which, you know, was, I think, a little bit annoying to show me a hero people because that's all that people were talking about. Right. And, but the reality, just to be totally honest, is, you showed me that Tim thing. So that's, like, what I was going on. It's a bad time when you're going on, what I've got. Well, no, but he said, and then it's also on the, I've been. I'm here on NDB. It's happening. It must be.

but I have I don't know like the last that I heard was you know Tim call he's like I'm gonna you know these days because of hacking and everything everything has to be like yeah yeah you can't just email somebody yeah yeah so he was going to send me something and then he called he's like I want to I just want to like work on Lydia a little bit like he's it's very but I don't know yeah I mean did you talk to him though about like what I don't expect you say where Lydia is but I'm just curious like were you excited or to hear like what he had in mind for what yeah well but what i know is that and i'm sure you know the same thing that the writer was like let me try and tim was like okay if it's good but then

to me the thing you showed me made it sound like he was ready to do it was really really excited um so do you is he doing did he finish the mrs peregrine right yeah and i know that he's there's something that he's like producing right but I will I'm gonna like call him yeah I mean I just like first of all I just want to know yeah you know I mean I know that can drag forever I mean like Mike frankly has for a while too there was talk of that too yeah well that was all by me that I was like putting the rumors out there I have to I admit it I was like yeah and you know what? I have to say that would, that would,

I had, well, me and Dan had the best idea, which was Veronica goes to Washington and like, you know, the first ladies are Heather, is a Heather, and, you know, they find out that she was involved in the Westerberg and then they blackmail

her and then, like, I mean, it was such, I just don't understand. Like, I, the reaction I was getting from, like, Dan and Denise and Mike, we're like, oh. You know, like, that's so sweet. And I'm like, you guys, I get stopped at, you know, Heather's is, like, I was just in Atlanta. Yeah.

And ordering a sandwich. And I, I don't know, I needed, like, a favor. And he was like, well, you gave me Heather's. I'd do anything for you. Like, seriously, like, this is a real. It's stuck in the zeit. Is it that it didn't do well at the time? that it was released because it was

well it was edgy clearly for the time but it was also like the studio collapsed while we were making the movie it was New World and then yeah we all literally chipped in for one ad in the but it didn't make anyway

I don't know but I'm hoping but anyway we'll get there eventually and I will keep you you have to keep you I will because I will I feel like you're the one you're the one who alerted

me to leave me. There are two projects I've been trying to like will into existence in terms of sequels over the years. It's been Beetlejuice and the Bill and Ted sequel. Every time I see Keanu, I know. Oh yeah, I've talked a lot to Alex and Keanu about that one. Yeah. I, I read well, I guess you can't believe everything you're, but I, it was, I did a read-through for Keanu for some, like at his house, just like for a favor. And Alex, was there. And it seemed to, like, definitely be it. I know they loved the script, and they were, I think they were just trying to, like, get the budget down because they were, like, giant dragons, et cetera. It was a $100 million movie that they were trying to get to, like, a manager level. I never saw the one that Alex did, like, the circus one.

Keanu, I know he was in that, too. Yeah, I never did not either. But he's very talented. He's also done some really cool documentaries, too. Yeah. And, yeah, he's, he's the best. So I know that this is feeling a little bit like, this is your life. But again, we have some time. So I want to. I'm also, it hit me at the right time, but like, Bram Stoker's Dracula, which I know you're kind of responsible for. You brought that to Francis. I did. Thank you.

Like, no one ever really acknowledges that, do they? I, it was sort of a, because of what happened on the godfather. Yeah. It was, but I was actually meeting him for on the road. He was going to direct it. And I had found, it was like, I think it was a spec script. Right. And it was very different than the movie.

It was like journal entries. It was very dense. But on my way out, I was like, oh, here. Like never in a million years, I think you'd even read it. And then the next thing I knew, no, it was being made. But I really need to sort of revisit that because people have been telling me how much they liked it. And what I remember was that it was kind of camp. And, but that could be good.

And Anthony was going, I would feel like it was at a high level, but I love that. I love them visiting with Van Helsing. And, and Gary, of course, was at 11. And there were a few, like, the one, the thing that really bummed me out was that we had, we had all, we had this amazing, like, almost two-month, like, rehearsal period. where we're in Napa and, like, doing all this greats. It's actually, like, there's, like, the making of. I've seen some of that video on the DVD, yeah, exactly. Like, Tom Waits, like, playing piano, you know, like.

And, you know, but then, like, we, what happened? We had all this time, and then we sort of, they brought on this, and we, and, you know, Keanu's mother is British, and he can actually do a great British accent, but what happened was they brought on this woman from New Jersey. And we were all doing fine, just like kind of, you know, and I think maybe because we were all young and, um, at least, you know, me and Sadie and, you know, we were trying, oh, okay, like, So I feel like that my accent was terrible

which is very distracting to me. I think that that one holds up partially because it's a slight bit of camp because it's on the difference it's like kind of operatic like Francis is so It's so heightened. Exactly. It's an opera It is. I remember at the time thinking that

but there was a lot more it's something like I think it was a little bit tough at the time because I was so young and I didn't understand I didn't really understand like Gary was

who I love and was a good friend of mine but was going through a difficult time and I didn't you know I was kind of a square kit like I didn't understand like I'm weird like I love working with people

and there are a lot of people who are one day they're in a great mood and they're talking to you and the next day they're like and I'm like the clutz that's like things that we're friends all the time you know and and then I feel bad and then I'm like oh you know it's almost like I'm but but uh since then then um it was also just kind of a hard time for me like you know personally but but I I I do want to revisit it because I swear, like, the people that you, I would never expect come up to me and are like, I love that movie. I was driving somewhere, it was like Halloween, and we were, my wife and I were, like,

driving through Manhattan, and we just saw, it was one of those great, like, classic New York scenes where you were driving by and you saw someone in full old Gary Oldman, like, people get up, like, walking the streets of Manhattan. And it was just, like, done up out of, like, 1993. It was, like, perfect. Well, I just, there was a, like, a couple of kind of, like, art house people that I would never expect, like, have said, you, oh, you need to go. And it might be, look, everything, like, I was watching, I was watching movies that went, like, from the 80s that I, like, scoffed at recently. And I was like, oh, you like things, and I don't know, is that just time or.

nostalgia is a little bit of that but something I mean surprising things don't hold up and surprising things do hold up who would have thought like St. Almost Fire would you know I'm not saying it's a bad movie I'm just saying like I watched the whole you know it was on and I watched it and

you know just there's certain oh god what was the I just watched something the night before last that was oh you know what it was it was a great movie um Georgia I've never seen George. Oh, God.

With these, Jennifer 8. Yeah. I haven't seen that in forever. Re-watch it. Oh, my God. She is just phenomenal. I'm so excited for. She's apparently got a really juicy role in that new Clinton Tarantino movie.

I know. I'm so happy. She's like, I think one of my heroes, definitely. Always kills it. So is there, you're doing a Netflix show, by the way, right? Yes, I am. The show me hero was TV, but it was like a miniseries. It was a mini-series.

It was a mini-series. I'm, trust me, I was like, um, is it the series like I didn't and they're like it's an event and uh I was like oh okay and so um

but the net Netflix is a series but it's like it's eight episodes it'll be the normal kind of thing where they release them all at once and then potentially

there could be more and yeah so is this it's a big it was a big thing only because you don't know like it could be it could just be one season

and it's luckily it's eight and not like I mean I think these shows like scandal and like they're like 23 episodes in the season I always think yeah like the people that are on like CSI that do like 24 hours of TV a year and they still look at the HBO shows

and Netflix shows that are doing 8 or 10 they must hate you guys I know I mean the money's good but yeah And, well, this one is like, it's definitely a genre thing. It's like, it's a, it's a kind of a homage to, like, the 80s, like, like early 80s, like, kind of stand by me, ET. It's sort of supernatural, but, and there's kids in it that, how old are you for it? 39.

Okay, so there's kids in it that are, you know, like there's the 12-year-olds, there's the high school age, and then I'm, you know, the mom. And it's weird, it's different for me. But it's, in a way, it is also shot kind of like a movie. It's not, it's, you know, a few months a year. Yeah. So it's not that. It's not a nine-month commitment that don't make sure.

I don't know how, you know, and then they get pregnant, and then, like, how do they, they still have to shoot? That's crazy. It's just, yeah. Do you consume a lot of TV now? To be honest, and I don't know why there's nothing wrong with saying this, but I, because I used to, I'm such a big, yeah, well, I'm such a big reader. And that is my favorite thing to do. I just discovered and I feel

we're excited I got an Amazon account and I've been buying books not candle not the candle I've been buying real books and I love biographies

or autobiographies and I mean I was like I don't know if Lee Grant has a great book called I got autobiography Yet, you know, she was blacklisted, the only youngest actress. She was 20 years old. Crazy.

Amazing biography. Great writer. Like, just. And, but I, I, I, wait. We were talking about TV shows. So, yeah, yeah. I feel like there's, I don't know, I had some hang-ups maybe about, like, admitting to watching TV because that, but, yeah, it was different strokes was high television art.

Yes. There was the silver spoons. Silver spoons. But then I remember because we didn't get a TV till later, and it was like the shows were like Remington Steel and Heart to Hearts. Exactly. Yeah. And then when I was started working, I really didn't have time to watch the popular shows.

So you got a lot of good stuff waiting for you whenever you feel like it. So then and with Netflix, the whole binge thing. I mean, it's, I'm really on the fence right now. I don't know if it's a good thing or about, like, because it's, you know, you can't stop. Yes. But, like, there's shows, like, that show The Fall.

Yes. With Jillian Anderson, which is just two, five episodes things. And it was, look, I'm usually very against, like, Petit Burnett's getting, killed but it was so well done and she's so amazing and that was kind of perfect because it was just five episodes and then there was another I guess it was it that were they I don't even think they were planning on doing another season right they got them there's a great one called happy valley I've heard about that one I haven't seen it yet I don't you write this down because it's so good um a lot of

The British ones are great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, and are you, I have a feeling you're keeping up to date on movies. You're like, that's your thing. That's, I mean, books are your thing, but like, or do you know? Well, to be honest, because, you know, it's changed so much that, like, I mean, I, I'm really missing. Well, I'm just, I'm, I really miss going to the theater because now you just get it on. Yeah, the screen.

the DVD or whatever. On TV? It says in theaters now. Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. Yeah. And I keep as, I keep out, like, what does that do to, like, our business? I know.

And they're like, oh, it, whatever. It's alarming. Because, you know, there's the new, Netflix is actually releasing that new Carrie Fukunaga movie, which I just saw. Who is my fellow juror in Sundance? Oh, really? Yeah, but it was also at the Venice Film Festival, so I don't understand. It's going to be released theatrically simultaneous.

Like, this is a whole new. model it's like, but it's a little scary because like I've seen that movie and like that's a movie you should see on the big screen. Yeah. Like that's a gorgeous movie. Yeah. You should be watching that on a plane on a seven screen. It's alarming. I'm scared of what it's all going to look like in 30 years. Well, you know those L.A. New York flights where they have all those movies and I'm always like watching like Adam's Rib or you know like it's hard to like or cool hand Luke like I'm there's the newer ones but then they have like i watch terms of endearment on a flight just like i'm just going to cry on this

flight i'm just going to i'm willfully just going to cry from near that movie never that in broadcast news like broadcast news is a perfect movie it's a perfect movie when i mean like every line in that movie albert brook the only thing my only thing about that movie is was that ending a reshoot because she had to have ended up with albert brooks there definitely was an alternate ending I don't remember... In she had short hair. Right, yeah. The gaze at the kid.

Yeah, and then she's not with either of them. But I feel like she... It was Albert Brooks was her. He's like my hero. Oh, my God. He's modern romance. Lost in America? Los America.

I can't quit. I mean, I'm like, don't even give you somebody. Yeah. Albert Brooks. Is there... Because you've worked with some of the greats, like, I mean, and Scors says he was somebody that you, cool. Was that someone that...

How much time? Just a couple minutes, I think. We can try We can keep going Okay, cool We're nerding out It's Josh When you look back

And think of that opportunity I mean you've gone to work with Daniel Day It was twice and working on like On something that I would think as a reader When you're working on something like Age of Innocence And as a film buff Working with someone like Martin Scorsese I would think at the time you're like

This is the nexus of everything Beyond heaven Because you know With Scorsese it was it was Scorsese and you know

what more but also I was a big fan of Edith Wharton and I really knew it's like I knew the material really well oddly like before I was offered

the part and then um um Dan you know of course Daniel and Michelle and then another really really special one I would say like

it's so hard to pick, like, because you don't want to do it to other, but the crucible was incredibly special because it was Arthur and, you know, Rebecca, married Daniel and Nick Heitner, who's brilliant. So, in Paul Schofield is amazing. And Paul Schofield and Joan Helen. And that was another example. It was kind of the last of when you would have, like, two.

months of rehearsal and we did it as a play first and I Arthur played Judge Danforth and I had to like spit on his face and it was like just it was just amazing but it was for me great to be able to work with Daniel again like you know I you know he's one of my absolute favorites I would say you know I was I have to I'm kind of asking your advice to here I I have I have work show me here Oscar Isaac so phenomenal

and it's very weird when like you're talking about something and you really mean what you say you know like you do junk and you're like yeah it was I wanted to try this genre

blah blah blah but I I really like Peter Sarsgard is also someone who I've known him for like 20 years but I, like, since Boys Don't Cry, I was like, he's, like, he's one of my favorite actors. And I didn't want to, because I just, like, was raving about Oscar.

Like, I don't know if the press, like, oh, she said that about. Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay. Because, like. They're all in the same company. That group you just included. Right. And because, like, I was even tempted.

and if he had given me the chance on Zeth Myers when I was talking about Oscar I would have said Peter Sarasgard is another one it's just like I just so happen to work with them both I think this one of Peter also is like

by now Sally's taken for granted a little bit he's been doing it and he makes it look easy and like well that's the thing with Peter you have no idea like you don't and he said this to me once he said I was like you know it's amazing

is like I watch you and I totally there's I don't see acting and I kind of said that about Oscar too but it's true and he was like he was like the day that you see the performance is like that's death yeah so but I I do want I would been trying to think of like something sort of slightly different you know just so it doesn't sound you know because I it's actually very honest, like if someone were to say, who are the two, your two, you know, three favorite actors would be Oscar, Peter, and Daniel, you know. Any man that can pull off that beard and sell it. That's the opposite.

Yeah. Well, it was tough because we had such little time and money and it would have to come, we were shooting, they would have to come off, go back on. And with fake beers, the, it's funny. But he's just so wonderful, and he's such a, he's such a great guy. Yeah. You know, I think I see it something like the cherry orchard on stage here. He's remarkable.

Is theater ever something that enters your mind, or is it just not your temperament, not your lifestyle or? I would love to do it. I have a big fear of going blank, which apparently is very, no. So? It's very, I guess it's very common. but I'm very prepared. I can memorize anything, but like, you know, not having done it as an adult,

I did some Robert Wilson, like, avant-garde stuff, but that was very different. Sure. It's a, I was watching the Tone's and all that, the actress had their little, I'm like, but wait, you memorized, like, four hours of, you know, and then you have, like, a little,

body, I guess, that clouds your mind. Yeah, I would think it also becomes, like, the longer you don't do it in a career, it's like, am I, is that just not in my skill set? Well, part of it is, you know, and this is silly and should not be a reason, but the fear of like, oh, the movie actress trying that and you're going to, you know, but the other thing is, it's literally going, what if I go blank? Right. We'll help you in the audience.

I'll spend out of a long for you. line my god i'm blanking too oh god but i but but this you know i do want to talk a little bit about the the film because i i do i'm really this is like a really i'm gonna well i'm gonna be seeing it for i guess it's like sort of the third time it played at the san francisco from Pesville where I took my whole family. But I wasn't able to really pay attention. So what boxes was this checking when you were? To me, like Michael L.

Moreta is someone I've known since I was 16. And he is like a true, I mean, this sounds so cliche, but like a true artist in the sense that like he's completely uncompromising. Like he would rather work teaching than make something that he would. And that what he made was so sort of, it wasn't like biopic, cramming a bunch of stuff into, like, the stuff that he chose to focus on was so thoughtful. And he's such an elegant filmmaker in terms of like, when you're doing a scene, and you're under the gun, you don't have a lot of time or takes, you have to just pray to God.

Like, if you try something different that if it doesn't work, they're not going to use it. And oftentimes they do. Right. And, but with Michael, there was that great, great trust. And, you know, look, I've played the wife a few times, but this was sort of, and this was the wife role, but this subject. matter is so fascinating to me. And I feel like as actors, we kind of deal in like psychology, you know. Um, and I just thought it, I'm just really, I'm excited to see it tonight. Like,

I'm just really happy that people are getting it. Um, because he really, he's, he's really special. Is it the kind of thing where like, do you ask questions of him of like, people have been talking and we'll continue to talk about like the rear projections. Yeah. elephant and there's all this as you say avant-garde like I'm sure like in a budget meeting on a normal studio film they'd be like elephant goes rear projection goes oh yeah well the thing is

I thought with the rear projection he had he said take a look at this movie the nasty girl which showed it and I was like I couldn't get a hold of it and I was like it's over out of money I can't afford that which

may have been true but it works so well Because it's like, the stuff that he, like, this, you know, it spans this time. And it, the stuff that he chose, like the scenes that he chose for us to, like, talk and are, we're just so thoughtful and almost milgrammy in a way. Like, he, he's, he's just, he, I'm just really, really happy for him because if you live, if you live, look at his, like, he has never compromised, you know. His Hamlet with Ethan was fantastic. I know, but also, like, you know, he's done all these, like, other projects, like,

books of Ogleston, like, really cool. And he's doing, he's doing the movie with John Hamm and Noah Smith. Like, but I'm, who's going to be there tonight. And I also loved my so-called disaster. Like, I thought that was, like, because I was living up in several. Francisco and I was like kind of around for that but I I don't know I just I'm really I'm really impressed and I there's something very elegant about his choices and there's just a real trust like you that feeling of like oh god I hope they don't use that you know you don't have

to worry about that with him and that is such a exception and not the rule I know it is I would think that you also just happy that someone else gets to do the voiceover because there's about a decade where I feel like you were narrating every movie. Yeah, you know, someone pointed that out to me and I was like, no, yeah. Like I was, I was, like, you know, Heather's girl interrupted, how to make an American quilt. Um, Lewis Smith's going to be there tonight. He's in, she's in his next movie. It's like John. Even our scissors her hands is a little bit narrated by YouTube to be. Yeah. as maybe old.

Oh, you're pulled into, are you ready for Chunkett Day? Yeah, but is there any last? Okay. We'll catch up soon, I'm sure. But will you give me your card so I can keep you postings? Like when I know, because I always think of you, because you are the one who brought it to my attention.

I was there. I was there. No, you literally brought it to my attention. I had no, that was the Iceman press circuit. Oh my God, Michael just did the podcast. That's an interesting 40 minutes. if you ever have some time to listen. Oh, is this a pod? Did we just do a pod?

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