Happy Sad Confused - Winona Ryder (Vol. II) & David Harbour (Vol. III)

Episode Date: May 31, 2022

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that's the easy part of adjusting to the suburbs. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company coverage provided in service by affiliates and third-party insurers. prepare your ears humans happy sad confused begins now today on happy say confused a stranger things reunion with david harbour and winona rider hey guys i'm josh harowitz welcome to another edition of happy sad confused and yes this one has been a long time coming i think for those of you that know Confused, a Stranger Things reunion with David Harbour and Winona Ryder.

Hey, guys, I'm Josh Harowitz. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. And yes, this one has been a long time coming. I think for those of you that know, I've been pursuing this one for quite a bit. Of course, Winona Ryder has been on the podcast before. Of course, David Harbour has done the podcast, I think a couple times, and we've done all manners of shoots. But to get these two together is something I've been eyeing for quite a while and thankfully the planets aligned on the occasion of the new season of Stranger Things. But more

on that later. First, I want to mention a very exciting live, happy, sad, confused event coming up in New York City. You know, we've been doing a bunch of these lately and the next one is on tap for June 8th with the icon, the man, the myth, the legend. Jeff Goldblum. So excited for this. I know I say this about a lot of people. He kind of might be my favorite person. I just, I just, I'm so happy in the presence of Jeff Goldblum. He is clearly one of the most charismatic, talented actors of our time, but also just a joy, a fun, um, enigmatic, bizarre walking, talking, encyclopedia of movie knowledge. You know I love that. He sings. He does impressions. He does voices. His thought processes all over the place. And I love going for the ride

with Jeff Goldblum always. And the fact that we're going to do this live and in person is going to be a blast. So the information is all in the show notes. But suffice it to say, June 8th at 7.30 p.m. This is a live event in New York City in conjunction with the 92nd Street Y. You can buy your tickets via the link. You can also watch it live online through a ticket purchase as well, through an online ticket to purchase. The information is all there in the link if you click on it. But June 8th is the date. 7.30 p.m. Eastern Time is the time.

And the occasion, of course, as you probably know and can guess, is the new Jurassic World movie. This is Jeff Goldblum. He had a small cameo in the last one, but this one, and I've just seen the movie so I can speak with some authority on this, features him and all the OGs, Sam Neal and Laura Dern, in addition to, of course, the new cast, Bryce Dallas Howard and Chris Pratt, et cetera, a ginormous movie. But if you're going into this one, like hoping, like wishing for a little bit of, you know, like a substantive story with the original. Jurassic Stars, I am happy to say there's a lot of them in there. There's a ton of stuff with the original stars, everything you would want to see them do. So look forward to that chat on June 8th with the legend that is Jeff Goldblum. Very excited for that one. Okay, so the main event today, as I alluded to, this one I've been trying to get together for a long while. So David is fantastic.

I love talking to David Harbor. We've done sketches together. I just immediately fell for him when I first met him. I think it was at a Comic-Con, a San Diego Comic-Con, a bunch of years back. And then, of course, Winona. There's Winona. Winona Ryder is someone that is just ingrained into my childhood love of movies. And she is just a part of the fabric of my movie going memory.

as I'm sure it is for many of you, heathers and beetle juice. I mean, the list goes on and on. But then her work, you know, as she's progressed through her life and, you know, seeing her pop up in things like Black Swan, and then in recent years getting this juicy role in this pop culture phenomenon, kind of out of nowhere, seemingly, in Stranger Things. Stranger Things has just debuted. Season 4 is on, the first batch, I should say, of season 4 episodes is on Netflix, right? now, the first seven episodes. I've watched them all. I've enjoyed them all, as you may or may not

have heard. These are kind of supersized episodes. They're each well over an hour, some over an hour and a half. So you're definitely going to get your money's worth. I just tore right through these. It was such a pleasure to revisit these characters and these actors that I love. And the good news is we have two more episodes of this season coming on July 1st as well. I've not seen those, but I do know, and this is public knowledge, that episode nine, the finale of the season, is two and a half hours long, guys. So a lot of stranger things to come, not to mention one more season after this, that they haven't even shot a frame of.

So, yes, the end is coming, but we've still got a little bit of a road ahead. As for this conversation, you know, as I said, David, fantastic, a great conversationalist, just a big fun personality. And Winona, I just adore Winona's. you know, love of film, like it just seeps out of her bones and the fact that like when we started talking comfort movies in this episode, she started referencing and quoting Albert Brooks and broadcast news, maybe one of my top five favorite movies of all time, just cemented my love of Winona. So a real pleasure to catch up with her. It's been, it had been way, way, way too

long. She's just not in New York a lot, frankly. So it was good to catch up with her after all the madness of the last few years. And to see the dynamic of David and Winona at play in front of me, because clearly they've got such great chemistry on screen. I should say there are some, there's one particular spoiler in this conversation. So if you haven't seen the full seven episodes yet, Stranger Things, you might want to avoid this or just save it. Or when it comes up, David's like, oh, should I be talking about this? And we kind of like mentioned quickly, oh, spoiler warning. So you'll have a bit of a warning.

If you want to listen for when David says, when you say spoiler warning, just hit pause until you get through the seven episodes. But other than that, this is really a loose fun chat about the movies we love, about their collaboration together, about my desperate. to get them all on a WhatsApp or text thread. And I'm not going to ruin anything. I'm not going to violate any personal, you know, correspondences. But I will say, I'll just say this. There's a happy outcome that my relationship with both David and Winona

continues past this podcast and into the future. So this was a delight. We shot this, we taped this, the day of the Stranger Things for, premiere, which I was thrilled to host in New York City. And yeah, it was just a fun day just catching up with two people I positively adore. So as if you needed a plug, Stranger Things Season 4 is on Netflix right now. Check it out. But I think you guys are going to dig this one. As always, remember to review rate and subscribe to Happy, Say I Confused. Please spread the good word. That's how we grow. Enjoy this chat with David Harbour.

and Winona. I don't even know what to do with my hands, my voice, anything. This is so discombobulating, not one, but two of my favorite human beings on the planet. Winona, it's so good to see you. The best. David Leeve. Come on, me, come on, me on.

Here's the reality, though, David. Okay, I feel like I see you every four months. We do stuff in beds. We do crazy shenanigans. It doesn't even. It's been 70. years since you did the podcast. No, no, no, no.

Yeah. I was shocked, too. What was it? I think it was maybe for experimenter. No, here's the funny thing. I would listen back to it the other day, and you were talking about going on to. That was in the, that was out there, too. You hadn't shot Stranger Things yet.

You were talking about going off to shoot this Netflix show. Wow. David wasn't a glinted in my eye yet. No idea. No idea. Experimenter, because that was. Yeah. Wow.

Oh, my God. It's been that long. It's been a minute. Luckily, neither of us have aged. We're perfectly preserved. No, but honestly, it's great to see you both. It's so good to see you. So, okay, so lots of catch up on, well, first of all, I mean, when I did listen back

and you referenced Stranger Things before anybody knew what Stranger Things was, the way you described it was interesting. I feel like maybe I'm psychoanalyzing after the fact. Was it out? No, you hadn't even shot it yet. Oh. Was I hearing trepidation nerves before you shot it? Oh, probably.

Yeah, I, well, also, you know, it was my first series, and there's this whole fear of like, I need all the scripts. Like, what if, you know, my fear is like, I've had friends who have been on shows and, like, they find out they're the murderer. Like, on, in episode nine. And I would, I talk to them. But, like, even on a boardwalk empire, I remember talking to a couple of the actors who, like, did not know, like, that their character was about to do something very sadistic or very, or be, anyway, so this whole idea of being on a show and not knowing and only sort of having this, I mean, I was given, like, a pilot script.

Right. And. It's a lot of trust to put it to somebody. Yeah, but I got to say, like, shooting that thing that first season, it was a bit of a mess. Like, the shoot was a bit of a mess. I don't think anyone thought, I mean, I certainly had tremendous, like, went through a tremendous waves of, like, thinking it was going to be great, and I'm thinking it was going to be awful. So, I think we all were sort of riding this wave of, like, we don't know what this thing is. I, like, went, I went, like, full on in it. and I wondered if that was going to, like, translate.

Like, I was so, I was, I also, I was probably nervous about maintaining that level of anxiety and grief or, you know, nothing worse can happen. You're missed, your child is missing. And then you're getting the, you're talking the lamps and you're, you know, like nothing. And, and so I, you know, and so I, you know, I didn't, I was nervous about maintaining that. And it, you know, also it was supposed to be shot here and then they moved it to Atlanta. That whole thing was weird.

You know, it was supposed to be about Montauk and it was going to be coastal. It was going to be these things. And it was, there were, I don't know how much legally I could say about it. But I do know that there was a whole different bent. And then they moved into the Midwest. Yeah. So that was a big change. Like, Winona and I were all set to be, like, living in New York, going to shoot down to East Hampton.

Oh, yeah. And then we were like, we're going to be in Atlanta. And all of us were like, oh, what are we going to do in Atlanta? Yeah. Yeah, I've had a place, but literally I haven't been to my place since before COVID. Oh, my gosh. Because Plot Against America premiered, and it was like, you know, we were packed into this thing. and like the next day it was COVID

and I was so, you know, it was early, early, because that was in February of 2019, yeah, it was, beginning of March, but it was, I just was like, I was just like, you know, hugging every. I mean, it was like such a, but I haven't. You still haven't checked it out? This is the first time I've been back in New York. And I've been, I got here last night.

This is all you need to see is the side of the hotel room, basically. of, like, be apart. I know, like, the floors are warps. Can I tell you my COVID celebrity name drop story? Oh, is. So I literally was doing, I think it was like March, maybe it was March 5th or something. I forget when it actually went down.

But we did a play reading of some really cool Ibsen play. Oh, I had a gobbler. And it was, yeah, thanks for good job, David. But it was Rachel Weiss was. playing head of gobbler and I'd done like a little turn of me and I was like oh my god so good to see it and when I was hug her and she was like what do you mean she's like there's no thing going around

there's this virus going around I was like that thing whatever I was like whatever yeah I really didn't think it was a real thing I didn't think it was going to be a real thing at that point and then she wouldn't hug me and then I started to do more research and I was like whoa this is like a real thing my first thing was I had I think the last podcast guests I had was ironically like the germaphobe that is Barry Sondfeld was in my office and he was like we can rub elbows

like I don't know there's a thing going around like so yeah trust your celebrity friends I guess oh come on I guess that's been my mistake the whole time of Josh yeah so let's talk about okay when you both start to work on stranger things clearly you but remind me to tell you a story about about a insin project that's off the hell yeah I'll tell you but not on camera I'm running this down for But I remind, because it's wild. I'm ready, okay, okay. So back to the beginning of Stranger Things, of course David knows Winona's work. Were you familiar with David?

Like, do you guys suss out your co-stars? No, I actually was. No, no, I, I was. I was familiar. First of all, I've watched like every. Oh, it was the law and order. Yeah. I'm like obsessed with like,

I don't know about my law order, but also, you know, you, you know people from plays, from, I mean, I didn't, I didn't know him personally, but I mean, you were friends with so many, you're friends with, like, like. Can I interview? Please. What, so when you heard that it wasn't you and Greta, when you said, when you heard when you heard that he passed, when you really, I'm kidding, I don't know, they don't tell me. crap like that but when you found out it was me was there any emotional reaction i was so excited i was like oh my god he's great because i i did see you in a play and i but it was a long time ago it was but i also felt like he was just like the kind of like the perfect you know hopper i mean and he he like he's better than he's better than i could have could have ever

hopes. What's the process? Do you like vet an actor before you work with them? We do ask around mutual friends be like what's it like to work with this person? Only when it's like an LTS life's too short. Someone that has a reputation you've heard maybe that's... Or like there's

a small group and but people don't do that if they don't, if it's just like they didn't like it's like life is too short and it can be about great people like great or great actors that are just so difficult that it just eats like it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. I mean, I have a different thing. Like I don't mind when people on bad reputations depending upon who I'm

talking to because if the bad reputation is just the day, you know, because one of the things I really like is when people are very like demanding for the thing. Not when it's like their own personal like, you know, I need this coffee a certain temperature or whatever, but when it's like I want the thing to be really good and I'm going to be a little bit crazy as a result of that. I'm really into those people and those actors and everything. So a lot of people don't like those people and they're like, oh, it's difficult or she's difficult. But I really, I like that. Yeah. I remember I was being asked by someone I really respect who was casting his show about an actor who I had mixed feelings about but is a great actor right and i just kept saying he's a great actor yeah like i

didn't have the but he's a great actor that was the code for telling them what they needed to know basically you're gonna get a great actor there's some other stuff that yeah it's your choice whether you want to do it or not i mean yokey bearer at the best comment he's like i'm sick and nice guys give me somebody you can hit yeah that's really like that's a bit how i feel i was like in a meeting with somebody and the first thing they started off with was like you know we we're we know we're we know We only want to nice guys. And I was like, that's not the pitch. Like, I don't, I want you to think I'm there because of what I bring and what I do

for an audience of millions of people, whether or not I create an environment of, like, sort of joy amongst us. But aren't there enough nice guys that are super talented is my question. Like, isn't part of there like a thousand exceptional nice guys? So why bother with the assholes is my. Yes and no. I mean, it's, it is complicated. I mean, I'm, I've been.

discussion. It is. Yeah. And it's a cultural discussion and all those. I think also there are people, you have to like remember that people change. Right. And like someone that you, I worked with when I was 19 or 20 or, you know, maybe a completely different person now. They might have, you know, if it was maybe drinking or, you know, like what they, they're like completely different. But also there's a different like ideology with America because I know there was something. thing, okay, this is really the theater pretentious, but I read, like I talked, I read the interview with Am Bogart, do you know who that? It's like this experimental theater director.

Okay. And she was talking about how there's a word in German that means argument and creativity. It means like a creative argument that is compassionate life. And like in America, there's no word for that. But they were like, as a culture, they're really into clashing, bringing about creativity. And in America, we sense clashing as being. and tied to the process. And so I do think it's a bit of a cultural thing.

And so in terms of, as I say, like sometimes the guys that are, you know, are women or whatever being nice are being nice because they're so invested in something. But, you know, it's... It's a rabbit hole that is a... Yeah, it's a rabbit hole. So let's talk to this.

Like, if someone comes to you now and says, I want to work with David, I want to work with Winona, if they came to you and said, what do I need to know, what would you say about the other? That's a good question. I mean, I would say you'd be very lucky to get that opportunity.

Yes. I mean, what I would say is that Winona's process is very, in a slick film world, rarely do you meet someone as vulnerable and as willing to get into the message. of the reality of something as you. And I think that that's a really special thing. I almost consider you, like, in a sense, like you have almost a childlike heart, which I'm surprised over however many years in this business,

you've managed to preserve this. Because I feel like there had to have been people online that wanted to. Yeah. And I wonder, too, like, when I think back, I wonder, I've always tried to maintain, you're like a conduit. You know, you have to, you have to. be open to act like you have to be and I I do this like thing with my hands where like

because we're so much like this but when I have to be emotional I do this and it's like if you do it right now like do it like just like that you feel more like open to open and you know to have to like and that's also the thing that I think I was probably scared of about doing a series was like in film i feel like at when i was growing up at least like you had more time because you would have to reload the camera which would take 20 minutes so like maintaining or taking your time or do you know and that isn't really there that that to that extent on on the show the show but they are very thoughtful and they will give you that if you really need it but i and by the way i did I didn't invent that. Jennifer Jason Lee, actually, I, I, yeah. And, but it really, it, I've been doing it since I was a teenager. You know, I mean, it's just something that it's, it's hard. I, I, I will say, like, it's to remain open and to be, to, like, listen and all those things that, that, that it is hard, like, over this many years, but that's,

it's also that I also love it you know I love it and I have been hurt over it I have like let people in that didn't have the best

intentions or that were reckless with it but you can't let it shut you down or else there's no joy in acting and there's no there's no like the

well is not available to you it's like it's like sealing a well if you if you shut it off so it's this weird thing of maintaining i don't know other professions that do that ask you to expose yourself in that way i mean like maybe singer songwriters um but they they i was always always envious because they can take their guitar or whatever with them so when they're not working they can write songs with us like it's so you go crazy you need a partner yes you do yeah you have like we have to keep our that muscle like we have to exercise it but then when you have nothing but that's the I actually still go to class yeah like I still in class because when I'm not working like I need to be in a space where I can do that with other people you can't just

see at home with a camera. Yeah. I do it, I think, I read a lot and I, it's the only thing that kind of satiates, like, and I try to look, I try to read things from different perspectives. I read a lot, I read, like, some of my favorite authors, I'll read their books a few times, and I'll try to. Consciously come at it from a different angle. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what's crazy. I mean, by virtue of. what we're discussing about the series that, you know, you haven't had that experience of a long-running thing. Progressive presents adjusting to the suburbs. You just spot a home in the suburbs, but no one told you about all the birds,

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Like, come on. They're a married couple, though. Right, right. That's official, right. But at this point, for Stranger Things 4, like, you must be able to detect the small, you know, the moods. Yeah, I want to say something about that. So we, when does this come out, Josh? Is this spoiler break?

For the season? We can run a spoiler warning. Okay. Spoiler warning. Late in the season, we finally, like, are able to come together and have scenes together. Right. So, like, for the majority of the season, it was just me and Tom and some Russians. Right.

And then it was her in breath. Right. And I, and Niko. Yeah. And then we, and then there is a, you know, they save and we come together. We have these scenes together. I remember that, shooting that stuff. There were a couple scenes.

We were in, like, the lab sets and stuff like that, where it was like, it was a weird sensation. I've never really experienced it before. But we came back together and we just had this, like, we were both very relaxed or something. Yeah. And I'm curious to see how the scenes turned out because they felt really beautiful. Yeah. The deep, sweet, like, wonderful, simple. yeah because it was just like two old friends who yeah and there's sort of chaos around us but there's

this like weird shield yeah yeah this like aura around us yeah that you can't manufacture that's only comes from history yeah i think so i think so too the way i experienced it and just looking at our eyes i wasn't doing a lot of i you know i'm always like so neurotic that i'm sitting in chair doing all kinds of work and moving into a scene sometimes to my detriment. And then this, I remember just like let go completely. And I just looked at her eyes. I was like, I've known for so long I haven't seen you for months and months. It's been

like really weird not to see you. And like, this is just nice. I'm seeing you afresh. Yeah. I know so well. And it just played. I'm very curious to see. I haven't seen those scenes. Me either. But I have a feeling that there will be some kind of magic within them. And I remember like Ross

coming over after certain takes and just being like, you know, just giving the thumbs up, being like, it's special, because it felt special. What is the, you know, I've had so many conversations with, like, casts where, like, you know, the expectation always is from fans, like, that the relationship continues every day even outside of shooting, like, that Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson are best friends to this day and texting every day. Like, do you maintain correspondence in between seasons, or is there a text thread? Is there, what's happening?

It's not major. I mean, I think that we have moments where we come. Do you text me, more than you text Winona? It's about the same. She's very, I'm going to, I'm going to say the Winona text is very, is very sweet and interesting because what happens is occasionally will reach out stuff. Winona has her own world and then occasionally she will be very focused on you and barrage with tons of text, beautiful, like information, like things, emotion, feelings that she's having, blah, blah, and then we'll go like, yeah, clips, pictures, jokes, memes, and then we'll have

like months where we don't talk at all and i think that's you know i mean well it's the thing like if something for some reason he needed me or i mean you know then it's like yeah right right instant and there's not that's not it's not like that with everyone you know you know there's that's a really special thing like if that's true you know and it that that's great you know that's My ulterior mode of this is all I want is the group app, the WhatsApp or this group. Oh, man, okay. I got a, I got a song for you. So there, I think it was season two.

There was a WhatsApp. What is the, what's up? What is up? I think this was actually a text group. And it was with all the children, the druffers. And for some reason, I was on this text group. And I was like, I do not want to be. You're the caretaker.

And so it was like, I remember one day. there was like the dirt yeah so so one day there was it was my phone was sitting on the table as I was like doing some other shit and I just heard like ding ding ding ding ding ding and I was like this goddamn text group they're just texting all this things and then there was like it just stopped and then there was like one more ding and then stop completely and I was like oh that's interesting and I went over and looked at it was all these like jokes but they're like okay you have to understand something they're like 13 year old kids 13 14 year old kids 13 14 year old kids. So their hormones and everything is out of control. And they're joking and joking and joking. And then one of them makes a comment that was like a little on the edge of something. And then and then everybody just whatever. Whatever. And then it was done. But it's like a group of like 13, 14 year kids on a text thing. And then like an older actor. It's just not. I know who it was. We're not going to rat them out. We're not going to. We're not going to. person out be they understood what they were saying do you ever it was a miss yes have you ever

shared because there are some great i think particularly of winona gifts when i think of the the miss sag speech from from the greatest hype man on the planet did you know you had a great hype woman behind you during that so you got no idea i could see or hear anything nobody told me that i was going to do that insane thing yeah no i i didn't know we didn't expect to win. And I didn't know who was going to talk. And then he had a thing that he, and then

it opens on each side. We're going to be here a while. And I also was so, it was a great speech. I was just like in shock. And then I got so self-conscious when when I heard that it had

No, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing. But also it was like really important because like, yeah, my speech was like big and I had a lot of ideals. It was great. But I needed someone like that to undercut it for me because otherwise it would have been like just the biggest jerk in the world. So I'm actually really appreciative of the weirdness of that moment where it was like there was his advantage of speech. And also like it's been undercut by like nobody really known what's going on and these memes created. Yeah. What's the point in the relationship when it's cool to start asking about each other's like filmography or other's or other.

they've worked with. Like, when do you unleash, like, all the Heather's questions you always wanted to ask when it? Is that season two, season three? Is it not coming yet? I'm kind of a dork, so it happens pretty, pretty quick. It's, like, yeah, it's pretty immediate. Really?

Yeah. I remember, like, yeah, just bring up all kinds of stuff. I remember, like, I've just never been good at that sort of thing. I remember working with Parker Pose a year ago, and, like, literally the first day just being, like, remember the time in Goatman when you said that? It was the Chris Farley show. It usually is that way.

Oh, my God. Does anything jump to mind for you, Anona, like experiences where you've worked with actors where it's almost less about the film you did, but like the experience of like being around someone that you were in here and holding such a sting. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, my mentor was Jason Robarts.

Come on. You know, and like, not just, I mean, I was like 14 when I worked with him, but like I went to his house in the summers. I spent the summers with him. I learned so much from him. And I, you know, I was around because through him, I met Rodney McDowell and he'd have these dinners where it's like Carl Mulden and Jessica Tandy and Carol Kane and, and, you know, Elizabeth Taylor, like, just, and I was a kid, but that was like. Luckily for someone like you that actually registered.

For a lot of kids, it wouldn't. But like you were, you were, I was, I remember when my mom, mom had to break it to me that like Marlon Brando didn't look like because I was in love with him from like street car and on the waterfront and I didn't realize those were old faces and I mean I had like those those pictures were on my walls you know and yeah I remember but but I was so lucky to have had Jason and and he's one of the best we've Yeah, yeah. I remember we, back in the day when I was working on the other side of things, I was a producer for Charlie Rose, longer story. We had, we had Jason on for his final, like, he was, he was, he was close to passing away. He was very, like, withdrawn. I think it was around then, and I remember he read from Long Day's Journey and Night. Yeah, Eugene O'Neill. He did, like, basically his last performance, like, at that table. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was literally just showing that movie of the film of Long Day's Journey with Catherine Hepburn and Ralph Richardson

to someone two days ago. Oh, crazy. Yeah. So let's talk movies for a bit, because I asked both of you, just to ruminating your brain about comfort movies or TV, I know you wanted to mention. So first of all, just generally speaking, do you guys share similar movie taste? Do you have you introduced each other to movies at all that you can recall? Do you...

We both like the right stuff. Really? R-IP, Fred Ward. I literally just tweeted out the end of the right stuff last night. It was for Fred Ward. I'm, like, barely holding it together today. And, yeah. I mean, I think I have worse taste in the movie that went on.

My, my... My... My comfort... Well, my comfort... Like, it's... I don't want to say comfort because I don't want to say that... that connotation to mean

like it's not a brilliant movie but like broadcast news and I can't I I know it by heart yeah I just showed like modern romance lost in America I did I showed all our books he is a

like I depending your life underrated too very good he is he is a my abyss my ad salute hero and I love him so much and his like I it doesn't matter how many times I watch them like they make me so happy and and in awe and like excited to do what I do and I mean I there's

no one like him I worship him what sounds like young Holly Hunter oh yeah oh yeah performance in that is all the point hurt also yeah i mean it's such a beautiful and just the thematics of it you know yeah yeah it's just gonna chip away little by little just a little bit just a little bit i that scene and like you know because we have the kind of relationship that if i was the devil i would you were the only first one i was like that we've all been there we've been that guy Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, member? Like, yeah. Can we, okay, can we do me?

Do you, when he's like, can we do me? Wouldn't it be a great, the world would be such a better place of insecurity turn on if, like, neediness made you hot? Like, I mean, all of it, all of it. It's got it all. It's credible, it's dramatic, it's funny. Let's go to that place where he did the thing that one time. Like, all of that.

I mean, that movie is, like, is perfect. They only could have had one camera one. I mean, yeah, that, oh, by the way, how prophetic was that, you know, like, in that scene at the airport when she, she's like, you know, people get fired for that. And then William Hart's like, I got promoted for that, you know, like, the ethics, like, you really saw the trajectory of like where we were. And by the way, I remember doing junkets when we had to turn around and then the guy would be like, okay, I'm just going to ask the questions and I'd like a nerd, you know, like, that's how it used to. to be and so yeah all right p. William heard i showed a bunch of his movies when he i you know i like i mean like children of a lesser god kisses spider woman um the doctor big chill body heat i yeah i and then there's david going to tv resisting my high-brow things yours is a perfect thing too

it's kind of high-brow it is it's the British office oh do you know I mean like there's just something about that whole thing where like it inspires me as an actor so much I literally think and I don't mean to blow any more smoke up Ricky Jervais's ass

and already is up there but like I think it's one of the greatest dramatic performances of all time as well And extras. Extras. Extras brought me to tears. The Patrick Stewart's scene in extras. Well, the ending.

Yes. Oh, you need. Yeah, literal tears, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was, like, sobbing. But I can watch. Oh, I don't remember. The actress's last name.

You're right. Ashley's amazing. She's so good. I can turn on any scene from the British office, any of the Christmas special or both two seasons, and I will just like laugh and watch. until they have. Yeah.

Let's laugh about traumatic audition stories if we could. Do you think back to, were you guys good auditioners? You probably have to hopefully not audition at this point or if you do very rarely. Is there one steered in your brain that's still like a phrase that was said to you? I have a few. I mean I had one where it was like early on and I was very self-conscious around cameras. Like I was a theater kit and I knew when I came to New York I would do theater in some way. And then they started, because you can't make any mind if they started setting out film and TV stuff.

And this is back when the soaps were big. And I went an audition for, it wasn't as well turns. I got that one. It was something for, it was like guiding light. I think it was guiding light. And they went and they had a camera like this. And I was so nervous. I've never been this nervous in my life.

I went on the chair. And I was shaking. And then, I don't know if you've ever had this where like nerves take over your face and your lips. And I couldn't, because you're so nervous So your lips can't move And I started doing And she went on, are you okay? Are you going to be okay?

I was like, yeah, I'm far, I'm far. Every day I walked out and I just like, yeah, it was like she was scared for me And it was so traumatic Maybe they would just say it Maybe, but that didn't happen. I was awful, so I'm so scared. Well, you moved on, thank you.

That could derail a career. That could be something that haunts you. Yeah, I've told this story, but I got stopped in the middle of reading a scene and told that I was not happening. Well, no, just they told me I was not attractive enough to be an actress and that I should like, they're like, I'm doing you a favor. Wow. You're just not like, I mean, it was the 80s. I wasn't, I didn't like have the look, but I was, they're like, I'm doing you a. favor you're just not you don't look like you're not you're not going to get cast and it it

it that was that was hard yeah but then it also like at that point like i was like obsessed with like ruth gordon like i wanted to be a character actor you know i thought that was going to be hopefully i would get you know and i was that until i mean heathers i had to like really they they that was that was one too where they they I was not the first choice and I had to like pay and like you don't have to pay me

you don't have to I don't even care if it ever comes out like that you like I had yeah because I wasn't like pretty you know I wasn't I didn't have that look that you know shows what they knew but they're like

Dan is such a good friend and Michael, and I love them to death. Should I bother? Because, you know, we are inextricably linked on Beetlejuice too forever. And I feel like I shouldn't even bring it up at this point because it feels like it's not, I don't know, is it, nothing's happening. It's, I think it's going to happen. I mean, I, it's out there that like we, they've got new, you know, like producers and Plan B.

Right. And it's just, yeah. And, and, but, but it, I just don't, don't know when. But I remember when I met Matt and Ross for the first time, I, you know, I had, I said, like, the only thing if, like, this show were to get picked up, like, is, you have to let me out to do that. Yeah, like, because I heard when you do a series, it's really hard to work out films. Yeah. And that was like, that's the deal we made. I'll be playing Oafo.

Yeah, but, you know, I hopefully, you know, we're... I'm contractually obligated to just keep in touch with you about that. Yeah, I'll make sure. Hey, I will keep you close. Got the hook up? Okay, good, good. I'm jealous. You've got this, you guys texting?

Yeah, well, every now and again, you just... Send me a text, Daylusion, I'll set off all forward. We should do the what's up. We're gonna do the what's up. Oh, no. Let's do it, David. Somebody's going to make some embarrassing comment. I'm going to have to bail out.

Please take me off this group. But what's up with what's up? Is it just texting? It's just texting. We can do text. We can do whatever works, guys. This is not an infomercial for WhatsApp. Speaking of embarrassing, I feel really badly.

I was looking at the IMDB just to bone up on what you guys are up to. And I saw on your IMDB, it's Hellboy and then it's after hours with Josh Harrow. It's like that's the one-two punch. That was a bad time in my career, wasn't it? cursed you. That was a top guy in my career, man. I love that movie. Wait, so it started with after hours with Judge Harowitz and then it went to Hellboy?

It's one, I don't know which one comes first, but they're in quick success. But this is the chicken in the end. I mean, they're literally just born of the same thing. I'm glad that I can blame you for that, for that, my big flop. I'm glad that you're the one. From now on, I will place it on your shoulders, sir. Thank you very much. We have to wrap sadly, but let's look to the

future. You told me, I think one of the times we got together that you do know the end game by now for Stranger Things. You do? I know some stuff. My God. Did I just rat you out too? Did I admit? I'm like...

I mean, you know, I'm whatever. I'm very aggressive with the Duffer brothers in a way that other Academy members aren't. So I'm like basically I really want to know and I'm really interested in these conundrums on a big thematic level like who survives Hawkins and why does one survive Hawkins, right? And so I've always been interested in that in terms of Hopper, where he's going and his arc and, like, what he needs to develop to survive Hawkins. Because he, theoretically, is one of the ones who could definitely go down or, like, be sort of epically heroic.

And I'm really interested in his relationship with that. So I kind of know where he nets out. Okay. With respect to to Hopper, at least. Now you're jealous and you're going to make a bolt to the job first. Well, I've been, I'm the godmother to Matt's baby, and I've been spending a lot, but I don't, I don't know. anything. That doesn't come

with the privilege. He's not the one. You gotta go to Ross. You gotta go to Ross? Okay. And that's not never I've had problem from the beginning.

Well, we were talking about comfort movie and TV and certainly I count Stranger Things as that. It was just so, no, it's honestly it's so great to kind of, it's a weird to say

about a show that is so creepy and dramatic and like dark, but like to spend more time with these characters and it just gets richer as the years go by because we all now have

history with them. Yes, it's true. So I hope it, we know it's going to keep going for at least a little bit. And from there, who knows? And I'm glad it's given us a chance to finally, the fans have wanted this grouping for a while.

So we've made some dreams come true today. Yes. We are reactive to the fans. We're there for that. It's good to see you both. It's great to see you. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes

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