Happy Sad Confused - Winona Ryder, Vol. III

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

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these on and off conversations with Tim over the years. Did you have ideas that you brought to Tim about where you wanted to see Lydia? Well, I'll tell you something that I haven't said yet. I always wanted Lydia to end up with fetal juice. I know that sounds twisted, but that was my big pitch. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now.

I'm Josh Horowitz, and today on Happy, Say I Confused, talk about a guest who needs no introduction. The one and only Winona Ryder, three-time guests on Happy, Say I Confused. Yes. It only took, you got your own camera. You don't need to get a my shot, Winona. One of my favorite actors, one of my favorite human beings,

and she's back with Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. It only took 36 years. Yeah. But we're here, Winona. And I think you might have manifested it. Oh my gosh. Honestly. High praise.

Honestly. Do you remember Sundance? It was, well, here's, I went back. Okay, so first of all, congratulations on the film. I was telling you all, for the record, it's fantastic, the new one. So, yeah, our history is kind of inextricably linked on Beetlejuice. I know. It was actually Toronto. Toronto.

It was Toronto 12 years ago. And I think, as I recall, and I sadly can't find the footage, but Tim had talked to me. And I guess I talked to you about what. Tim had said about potentially doing a Beetle juice. Yes. Is that what you would call? And that's what like set me off on this whole thing where I thought I'd like blown it because I, you'd said something that Tim had said something.

And that, then I thought, oh my God, this is actually real because Tim said something. And then I started talking like, I was asked about it. And I was like, well, apparently it might happen because of you. No, I'm not going to think of that. And then it didn't have. Like, I mean, because it's been such a, there were, you know. A lot of false starts. But always with the knowledge that, you know, it had to be perfect, no compromising, it had to be obviously Michael and Catherine and Tim.

Like, I think my biggest fear was like, Tim would like end up producing it or something like that. And it just, it had to be, it had to be the way it had to be. and I guess like it's sort of kismet, because it did, you know, it did work out. I will say, as you know, obviously, a diehard fan and watching it, it is so pleasurable because it is, while it honors the original, it is uniquely different and weird and sweet in its own ways. Yeah. And I was so pleased, selfishly, as such a fan of yours, that, like, you're not marginalized in this. This is as much your story.

You're the lead in this, essentially, co-lead. with Jenna's character and Catherine. I know. And the fact that we didn't get Beetlejuice goes to Hawaii 20 years ago, we got the right one. Yeah, right. My question is, since you had these on and off conversations with Tim over the years,

did you have ideas that you brought to Tim about where you wanted to see Lydia? Well, I'll tell you something that I haven't said yet. I always wanted Lydia to end up with Beetle Juice. I know that sounds twisted, but that was my big pitch. Really? Always to Tim, because, look, I know I was 15 in the first one. It would have been weird.

Yep. But I'm like, I'm, am I 51 or 52? I actually can't remember. I was born in October 29th and 71, but I always think I'm like a, yeah. Anyway, I, you know, I. I just have this, like, love, I don't know if it's just because I love the movie and I love Michael and I love Tim and I just, but I have this, like, this dream that they will end up together as just like this bickering, kind of George and Martha, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no spoilers, but you might have gotten some of your wish here.

I know, it sounds really twisted, but I, so I do remember in all of our top. talks, you know. They were always, like, at night, and Tim would always pace with his notebook. And that was always, like, the thing I was, like, I know it, but what if, you know? And you say that, because, like, you've said that in recent times, like that, it was very covert. And Michael has said this, too. Like, none of you guys wanted this to ever get out to horrible people like me to say, people just do was happening because you wanted it to happen in the right way and not prematurely say it's happening. Oh, yeah. I didn't tell. anyone literally I didn't tell anyone didn't tell my representatives I didn't I

mean it was very you know because when Tim says just between us it really is and you don't want to be the one that you know runs their mouth so but it did yeah it was the first time I really thought actually oh my God this was at the Frankenweeney press junket because he like just took me aside he's like I really I really want to do this but you know I gave me it's got to be you know and I was like yeah I know I know but so like in the next couple years and next you know it was always even that took a while yeah so I remember our last the last time we met it was like It was right when, when did Wednesday come out?

Like two years ago, probably. Right, but was it the fall? Or it was, like, it was like towards the end of the end of the year. And he was sort of in town for that. Yeah. And drove out there. And, you know, it was the same thing. And he, he, he, he, he, he, I see.

said, so, this is this really, you know, like, again, I just started with, it's like, it's like, oh, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he gave me a script. And I, that was the first. And so, and I was like, but, okay, so Tim, but when? Like, like, are you doing something first? And then it's like, you know, because they take, like three years directors take, you know, to, and, And he's like, oh, no, no, no. Like, we're doing it like in, it was like the end of the year. He's like, what, like March? And I was like.

Like, I've been waiting this for this for 30 years, but I need one more time. But also, I had this whole like, stranger things. And like, but I did, as you know, like, I, when I met with it, I had that clause. I was like, and I, God, that meeting must have been in. like 25th we started it in 20th show came on 2016 so probably yeah but I was like if this is like my only thing is like if this happens and so obviously it was like almost going to happen but then I never really imagined I'd still be doing it stranger things and and then we had the strike right and then we had the other strike you know like so we had this sort of window but then

then the terror kicked in and because I started thinking oh Lydia's a mom like I never imagined her in a relationship or with a kid I really had this like thing of her just off in her own world like up in the attic like happy like you know communing with you know sure but but I I so I I I I I I had this sort of terror about how does she love like how does she right like you know have a like what who is that part and I I I was getting sort of I mean I think they're it's normal to get anxiety before or something but this especially because you know I wanted to keep her her essence and that she's so sacred to me and she you know she you know You know, that was such a, that movie was, I was 15, and I had never been asked, like, what I thought by a director.

Like, I, it was really, yeah. Yeah. I, you know, before, and not to, I had only done, like, two movies, but I really, it was really like, this is your mark, and like, this is your cue. and I felt so included and that's like a really big thing when you're 15 and to be like well what do you think would you think you'd go and I was like you know

you want to actually give for me you want it and so that was such a formative thing and I really like Lydia was just you know I she's sacred to me and to Tim which is something really interesting because I didn't realize that on the first movie.

I remember. You were his surrogate. I know, but I didn't know that until afterwards when I heard him say it, that he related to Lydia. I actually, when we were making it, I don't know, I didn't know that. And like his protectiveness over her.

And just like, was, it meant so much to me and, and so to go, what's incredible is that he was able to recreate this, this intimacy and this, that, like, spontaneity of like, what do you think and what do you, you want to try this? And, and because it's Tim and I trust him so implicitly, like, you know, you can try stuff and if it's terrible, he's not going to use it, you know, I can literally talk to him about anything. And there's just this trust, but it also felt that, like, on the first one,

it was kind of like it felt like an indie. We were, I don't think I ever met anyone from the studio. We were just like, wait. Nothing about that movie strikes me as something that was... Yeah, it was not being, like, overseen. It felt rogue in the best possible way. Right. It was like such a, you know, and I would have thought, and I think I must have like put it in my head like because of the buzz and like the talk like this was going to be. But he somehow was able to like create this environment that felt completely safe and free and spontaneous.

And I don't, that might be just a testament to like the great producers. Right. Because I didn't, I never had like a sense of, you know, any mandated what this has to be. You know, coming in. And we were changing things up every, you know, all over the place. And it was just like, it was really emotional, Josh. I'm sure. I was really emotional.

And I get emotional talking about it. Well, the other aspect is like as personal as it was, to Tim and to you and the cast, et cetera, is, as you well know, for 35, 36 years, Lydia is so important to so many people. And like every young person then to now, when they watch that movie, they see themselves and that character, that one, you know,

I myself am stranger and unusual, it's like, oh my God, I'm like, everyone feels that way. Right. And was that something that, I mean, that must be like a continuing, nourishing feeling that that didn't go away. If anything, it's continued. I mean, I think I feel like it was later. It happened sort of later after a while. I feel like I don't know if that's like a comment on society, but I like people started coming up to me and saying that and it was really, really moving. And it was really moving. And it was like a lot of.

of different ages of people, but it was a lot of times from young people. And I, you know, I mean, Justin used the word emo, which I just picking up on the slang. The kids are teaching me on stranger things. So like, I guess that's become more in a weird, like accepted and stuff and not so, I mean, it really wasn't, it was, it was, that was more of like a subculture when I, when back, back in 87, 88, you know. When I think of that time, and especially young women, I think of that character, I think of maybe like Ali Sheedy in the breakfast club. Yeah, yeah. It's like there aren't, it's on one hand of those kinds of examples. It truly is. Which is why, like, it's such a badge of honor,

you know, I mean, and it's so. um i do think there's i did find like there's so much heart in this one and there's a lot of love i don't at least that i i saw one cut of it like a while ago so i but i felt i don't know if it was because like i was there like i was really emotional and um even with like like even with the characters that, you know, I mean, I, I, there is a love and there is sort of, I don't know, I think with, with Jenna, I mean, she and I don't think I, I don't think, it was, it was really weird. It was like I was, I found like the younger me in her, and only because she has, the same like reverence for film and it's sort of like where we share that like religiously

and like her oftentimes I will be on a set and something will remind me of like a movie that I but I don't even bother saying it anymore because no one will get you know one will know what it is right like and I remember when doing this like the train thing and I was like thinking of brief encounter. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know, you're not going to even say it.

And then I look at Jen and she's like, brief encounter. And it was just like, and I mean, our first night filming, she starts talking about I am Cuba.

And like how they did the crane shot in that. And I'm like, I love you. You're not, you're speaking my language. You're speaking my language. Like she,

so that bond was so, means so much to me. So there's a tremendous love there. There's a tremendous love, and I think now empathy with Delia. You know? Yeah.

Now I get it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, now I get it. What she was going, you know. But I do find this one, like, has just, like, and that there's, like, this sounds really twisted, but, like, there's love and death. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it begins on this kind of melancholy, note again, not to spoil things, but in terms of death, but also where your character is. Like if you, and I rewatched the original enough that I needed to again this week, but like that movie ends with such a like a literal high and like happiness and sweetness and sweetness and to see just like the reality of time. I know. It's like the, like, and Jenna has that line.

She's a broken person. Like it, and that to me was really interesting because I do feel like as you get older and certainly like my age, you, there, you can look back and be like, Jesus, what was I thinking? You know, like at certain times in your life where you were vulnerable and someone just like swooped in and it was suddenly you're doing something that, you know, and then you're just like, like, just, yeah, and I, and these, you know, Justin, it's funny, like, he's so great, you know, he really is great. And like what he brought to it. Because that was my biggest challenge, is like, why is she with this guy?

Right. Like, how, you know, Tim, we have to protect her, you know? Like, that's what our natural thing. Yeah, yeah. But Tim's like, you know, it happens, though, you know? The best of attention suddenly. Yeah, and they just end up and you're like, what hell? How am I get here?

Oh, I got to get this, you know. And so it somehow, like, whatever Justin sort of brought really worked in terms of like just the sort of weird like super codependent predatory narcissism that that he like you know

he just he created Rory I didn't really know who Rory was until he got there and you know and I mean just like those lines about like who you invited to the wedding and it's like but there's So many giveaways that, and I'm just sort of chalking it up to that she's like taking

pills, that she's just like has blinders on, like, okay, you know, and she must be just trying to process the grief of her dad and her, the thing with her daughter, which is like eating her alive, yet is exactly, I think, what. Like she knows exactly. She knows what Astrid's going through. And that's what's so, the lack of being able to communicate and that she can't see, you know, her husband. You know, it's all very, somehow it made sense.

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eating well. You say you're nervous and, you know, from our past conversations, I feel a connection with you because, like, I feel like we both have an inner neurosis, a little anxiety. You think? Very ironic considering what we do. I know. And I'm curious for you, have you over the years kind of figured out how you manage that, like that side of you, and yet you are so amazing at switching off and being so comfortable

and so confident, obviously, when the cameras come on. You mean, it's me? I mean, I mean, like, you know, day-to-day we all have anxieties and neuroses. Yeah, totally. And that's always going to be there, whatever. Yeah. It is what it is. That is life.

That is what it's all life. Yes. But the fact that you can key into something different and be like the best version of yourself, most confident version of yourself in the script. I think, honestly, I got, But, and I'm only, I'm telling you this, because I don't, and it's you that's getting this exclusive. When I was doing the press junket for Age of Innocence, Daniel Day Lewis gave me the best advice

because we were both like going through stuff at the time. He's like, just keep talking. And so they can't ask you. Just ramble. Right. And I, you know the time. And I was like, oh, you know, and that, I mean, that was sort of funny, but I am like a natural, like if I connect with someone like I do you, you just get to talking. And like it does, it can, it's like I think Philip Roth or John Optick wrote this great passage about like how your mind can be like a freeway.

and there's like these ramps and you just go off and then you're like talking about something else but then you get back on the freeway and I don't know it really It's called podcasting that's what we do. It really like resonated with me because I do have this weird

I am interested in so many different things and I do have like a very a very good memory and but it's often about like really random things but when I get comfortable, I like to, you know, and I think because I spent so much time not getting to do that, and I still do.

I mean, nobody knows what the fuck are talking about on what I want most of the time. I get about 85%. And then you just kind of, yeah, you do, but I mean, a lot of people are like, she's so weird, like she won't stop doing what hell? I can tell you a story, man. I was doing an interview with a guy that he thought he thought he had turned his thing off. And I heard him like, Jesus Christ, what was she talking about? And I was like, oh, I thought, but I was just like, yeah, I was like, we were talking about life and history and stuff.

But it's funny because I always go back to what Daniel said. Yeah, keep talking. Yeah, but then I'm sort of naturally just, you know, when I... But see, you land the plane, you came right back to where we were. And then we all go up on some tangents. You mentioned Age of Innocence, that reminds me. We've never talked about that film, which is one of my favorites. It's so good.

Oh, my God. Your scene towards the end, you and Newland, May and Newland, where we find, we kind of realize the depths of May. Yeah. Do you remember anything about shooting that? Because that is such a key to that character. And it's just... I remember everything about shooting that. I mean, that was one of those...

There are movies, and Beetlejuice is one of them, where you were like, I've got to be present for every fucking second of this, because this is like a dream come true. You know, like, I'm working with... Yeah. ...s per Sessie. And, you know, it was insane.

So I remember a lot. Now, what does happen though is you're in a really, really tight corset. And I do have to credit that corset with some of my performance because you are just, you become so repressed because you are physically, yeah, it's literal. But I do remember when we were shooting, we were shooting this scene where I walk in and I'm taking my hat off and I embrace him.

And Marty came up and he, I had my hat pin and he turned it around. So it's like pointing right at like Daniel's jugular. Amazing. And like those little details were all the time. And that, yeah, that part was so, you know, it's a part where you don't know until the very end. and um it makes you watch it again yeah yeah you've just seen too yeah and um there's something you know you do think about people who maybe don't make it to the end and like think that you're right you're what you're yeah and um because i i remember someone it clearly hadn't seen the end

and was but it that was such a i mean that was such a huge oh my god that was that was I feel like, yeah, that was sort of like my graduation, too, because, you know, every, as when you're a teen actor and a kid, you're always hearing about the transition into adult roles and, like, how it's impossible. And then, you know, you're either a daughter or you're too young to be like the DA or, you know, the, you know, the, the, the, the, right. even the Ricky cop, like, you can't do, there are these, like, years and you either. Go backward or easy forward. You're like, am I still teenager or am I going to be a... I feel like Age of Innocence really was huge. We've talked before about Bram Stoker's Dracula, and it always saddens me when, like,

I talk to actors who don't get the same enjoyment out of something because of where they were, and I've talked to Gary about this, too. I mean, Gary... Oh, I know he, did he remember? He was going to, he admittedly was going to a real tough time. Yeah, no, I know. I know. And there's now the sweetest man, like, I mean, I just love where he is and how he's humble he is.

I know. But obviously, you all could have had a better time actually making it. I know. Is there a scene that you were able to appreciate in that film now with some minds like? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, that whole time was sort of magical. Like, those months we spent in Napa, like, it's, It's all, by the way, on a video.

There's like a making of that I saw on YouTube that I didn't know about. I was like, wow. But yeah, you kind of see, you know, Gary's going through some stuff. But I was like acting across from Tom Waits. You know, I literally, that doesn't happen very often. And I, that was just, I mean. I mean, again, like I, this just, this is a miracle. Like, this is everything, everything I want to do

in my whole life and Francis, you know. I mean, I had, I do have a lot of great, great, and Richard E. Grant. And then also that Michael Ballhouse shot Age Minnesons too. So he, so I was with that same like camera crew for like over a year. Right. You know, doing both of those, back to back.

If you'll indulge me, there are some famous, supposedly famous movies that didn't work out for whatever reason. Tell me if any of these jog any memories. Okay. You're welcome to dive in or not, okay? I'm just going to rattle a few off. Jerry McGuire, Hudson Sucker Proxy, Light Club. Oh my God.

Do you remember any of those auditions? I remember Hudsucker Proxy. Yes. I was, so I, I, I auditioned a few times, and like, I was getting, I got a, it was, I, you know, I wanted to work with them so badly. I worship the Cohn brothers, obviously, as it does everyone. And it was like the ultimate, like, Barbara Stanwyk, you know, and I can do that.

And I wanted, I wanted, like, that opportunity and to just show them. And I remember because I was also auditioning for Fearless with Jeff Bridges. And I remember that audition, it was really around the same time, I think, Jeff Bridges, who I love, like, wouldn't kiss me because I was like too young. And at the end of the scene, he was supposed to kiss me. And I was like, you know, and he's like, he kissed my fart. he's like, you're like my daughter's age. And I was like, no, no. But then the Head Sucker Proxy Audition,

I, you know, I got a few callbacks. My final callback was while I was doing age of instance. So I had to leave the set in a corset and like getting a cab and drive up town and get into the building in a full cost. And then I like because I was late and I like undid it and I like quickly changed. And then by the time all of that happened and Tim Robbins was cast, I was like so discombobulated. Like I was like circulation started happening and I completely blew it. I did. And they were so nice about it and they gave me and I still have this because I framed it. They gave me Hart and Fink Stationery from the hotel. And because I was like, you don't understand.

My dad, you know, he's, you captured writer's block. And, you know, like I, I, yeah, yeah, I was. It worked out forever. Yeah. It's fine. I know, but I remember. I was so happy that Jennifer got it because I loved her so much and I sent her so much. And I sent her flowers and I was like, I'm glad it was you.

You know, I mean, if you want to... She's amazing. I know where Tim's talked about never wanting to, as you shouldn't, do a sequel to Edward Scissor Hands. Oh, God. You guys did do amazing... Well, don't I get super old? Like, at the end of the movie, I'm...

That's true. We know where she ended up telling Vincent. I was in six hours of prosthetics with next to Vincent Price. That was quite a day. Can I ask you that we've never talked about you and Tim, Shalomey shooting that commercial years ago. How surreal was that? What was it like to see him in full-on Edgar Scissorhands? Well, it was crazy. I, you know, Tim like gave the okay because I was like, what are we doing? Sure. And how on earth did I give birth?

It seems very, very violent. That's a lot of questions. I know, but that's where I go, you know. Right. But I arrived there, and he was, like, in full, in full, and it was just so surreal. And, but he was, you know, and I can't exactly, you know. Hugs are hard. As you've seen in the original movie, yeah. He was, he was great. I, he was really, he was really something special.

And guess what? I remembered him from Homeland season. He was like the vice president's son, who I think dies in the explosion. But I wrote his name down. I'm telling you, I'm like the, I know. I wrote Sadie Sink's name down. I wrote, who did you write down? Sadie Sank when I saw her on the Americans in like one scene.

I was like, this girl, there's something about this girl. You're going places. Yeah, and I think I took a picture of the entree because I were like, you know, Timothy? Timothy? Timothy! This kid, like I just saw where, you know, I mean, he's so talented. We did get to see you and Keanu finally reunite a few years back.

My question is, has there ever been talk? I want to see Winona in a John Wick movie. Oh. Have you ever even contemplated? Would you, I see you in that world? Could you imagine yourself in that world? I... The answer could be no.

No, no, I mean, if it involved... It involved a lot of stunts. I'm, like, thinking of my bones. I mean, he's such a... Oh, my God. I would literally do anything, though, with him. Like, he is so special. Hey, is there going to be another one?

John was just yesterday that they're supposedly shooting next year, supposedly. Oh, my God. What are the texts, like, between you and Keanu? I feel like you two are, like, the biggest Luddites on the planet. I know. I know, but we do text, and he always, right, and we always say who it is, even though it says it on the text. So he's always like, like, on his birthday, I mean, I always like, happy birthday, my husband, and he always, like, and I'm put, you know, Noni, and then he, he's like, he's like, hey, hey, wife, love you, KR 57.

And like, on each birthday, he's like, KR. 57, or whatever his age is. And he's always done that. I hope that. Yeah. Yeah. Um. I know. I know.

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No. No. I know. It's really weird. It's taken a time. Apparently, like, one of the actors knows what's going to happen. Yeah. Last time I talked to you and David, David was like, I've known forever.

Does he just say that, though? He might just be saying. I think he's such a ham. Like, he will, it's so him. Yeah. So you actually still don't know. I don't know. We did a read-through of the seventh.

I mean, it's eight episodes, and we did the read-through of the seventh. Wait, what was I doing? Because it was like, oh, I was here in New York because there was a day of... Early Press stuff. Global content? I don't know what that was. I was so confused. Welcome to 2024 publicity.

I don't know what even content. We're making content right now. Don't you feel it? I know, but why do we call it context? It's the worst word ever. It's terrible word. It's terrible. But apparently, if someone says, I mess with you, it's a good thing.

No, seriously. Is it the kids in stranger things for you into this? Yes, because I kept apologizing to people when they said that because I thought they were saying, because they're saying, I fuck with you. And I was like, I'm sorry. Then they, I recently. Right. Yeah. I'm sure they taught you a lot.

Yeah. Shipping, et cetera, jopper, whatever. Oh, God, yeah, shipping. And then there's like, I just realized, so Stan is a, not a person. Nope. Who, it's, I don't know. I don't know. This is the two saddest people to be having this conversation.

There's a game that the kids play with their phones where they do that. Okay. Do you know what they? Like heads up kind of thing? It's like, and things come on the screen. It's like trivia. Yeah, yeah. And today's trivia, like I know nothing, but I know everything with that other decades.

Let's play Trivial Pursuit 80s, 90s. I know. I love Trivial Pursuit. Where is that? I want trivial pursuit. Not content. No content. We're not making content, but we are talking, wait, here's the question on Stranger Things, without spoiling anything. Because I feel like I'm a pusher for the Jopper fans out there. Are they going to be satisfied? Is there stuff that you're excited for the fans to see of this relationship in this final season? Oh, well, I'm... I think so. I mean, that is, like, they take our, they shred things. Right. They take them away. I have literally, Josh, I have every script with every, like, original script with every call sheet and every, like, call sheets used to be handwritten. Sure. You know, and I'm like a, I inherited the archivist.

That's a nice. Yes, archivist, my parents are archivist, but I save everything, and I'm not used to getting it taken away from me at the end of the day and shred it. So that's what they do on stranger things, but I sometimes won't let them. And I'm like, no, I'm not giving you this. It's like the sides, which is, I always know, I'm always prepared, but things change. And then the your handed sides. And then, but the shredding, I can't believe it. It's such a, it's so insulting.

Like, what am I going to do? Like, I guess some people. But not you. Not me. I'm. Our time is sadly running short. Oh, no. I know, I know.

Is there anything I can manifest for you since we, I tried to help manifest this one all these years? Well. Oh, I have some votes, but I'd like to hear from you. Yeah. I mean, it begs the question. Veronica, where are you? No.

You know, so I just saw Christian at Comic-Con. Do you notice that he's being directed by Michael Lehman on Dexter right now? No! Yes. It blew my mind, too, when he told me that. Oh, my God. I know. And do you know Michael's son is like a writer on the morning show?

I did not know that. Zander, who was this little kid who, have you ever seen like a little, like a two-year-old? like flirt with you so Michael's son Xander would he like flirt with me like very blatantly it was the weirdest thing and I he would like wear these little like fake gun holsters and with nothing else he'd be like hey and then I like ran into him and he's like I'm Zander and I was like oh he still got it that's crazy Michael is directing Christian I know I I was really sad about Shannon, you know, that was terrible because she was treated horribly by the press and by the culture.

And I didn't, I just didn't realize like how, but I, so I rewatched it, you know, and it's, but God, yeah, that would, but I don't think it can, because of like. The violence and, yeah, yeah, it's a little tricky near now. But it also bakes the question of this one, though. That we're saying more in Beetlejuice. I can't say it three times. Yeah, but, you know, it does beg the question. It does beg the question.

Okay, I know we literally were wrapping, a couple of rapid-fire things. The happy, say, I confused profoundly random questions. Okay. Dogs or cats? There's no wrong, the right answer. Yeah. But that is the right answer.

Okay. Do you collect anything? We just went through the boarding a little. Oh, yes. I collect it. God, what don't I collect? Yeah. Okay.

I collect little scraps of paper when people used to write their phone numbers now. I have like a bulletin board with all of that. Is there any actor that you've recently been mistaken for? There's only one Winona Ryder. How could you be mistaken for anybody?

Is it happened? Literally, when I was leaving the hotel, they were saying, Jenna, Jenna, look over here. Jenna, Jenna, Jenna. But I think they, I was like, really? Hey. I mean, the ones that I've gotten, which are so incredible, are Natalie Portman and Kira Knightley,

which is, like, insane because they're so gorgeous. Is there a worst note you've ever gotten from a director that sticks out? Oh, I've gotten some really bad notes, yeah. Without naming names, unless you want to. You know, when directors do the, and on your own time, there's something. about end on your own time you can say action it's okay yeah and you're just sort of like that that but there of course oh god there's all sorts of terrible notes it's usually has to do with like positioning right you know like and then you feel because there's a whole there's a whole

thing with the camera where you have to it's you have to pretend it's not there but you have to know how to you know, move with it, and it's this, you know, very opposing ideas. But I think that is what, you know, is so incredible about Cassavetes and Jenna, like what they were able to do with that sort of intimacy where you feel like you're in the room. Yeah. And in the spirit of happy second fuse, an actor who makes you happy. Oh, oh my gosh. There are a few.

Makes me just gem, you see them on screen. Oh. Keanu, Michael. Daniel, I miss that guy, mist torturing him because I got to torture him

twice. Yeah, you're good at that. We need to get a trifecta. Yeah. Movie that makes you sad. Oh. Oh. Ponnette.

Oh. The French film. Breaks my heart. Avilaise enfons. Breaks my heart. And a food that makes you confused. A food. Oh, there's so many things that make me confused.

How much time do you have? I have to go with, hearkening back to big, the baby corn. Oh, sure. That just is very confusing. What is, what am I looking at? It seems like it was man-made. Right. And, you know, like, where is it come?

Yeah, it feels like a timber in creation. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. We brought it full circle. In my heart of hearts, I hope this day would come. I wasn't sure it ever would come, but it has come. It's come.

We did it, Madonna. We did it. You did it. You were a big part of this. You were the first person I confirmed. I didn't get back to anyone except for you. I appreciate you. Because I was like so superstitious, like, if I say anything?

It's going to, you know, but... You have always been the sweetest. I positively adore you. You know that. Congratulations on the new film. Thank you so much. And we'll talk again soon. Yes, we will.

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