Happy Sad Confused - Winona Ryder, Vol. IV

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

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It was on on Halloween, and I thought of you because you said you watched it so many times. I watched it so often. And I was like, this is amazing. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now. Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Winona Ryder is back.

Fourth Time is the charm. Talking Stranger Things, Dracula, beautiful, delicious tangents as only Winona can deliver. So thrilled, the one and only Winona Ryder is back on the pod. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out. Happy, Say, Confused, for watching. on YouTube or on Spotify, listening at wherever you get your podcasts. I will mention, I shouted at Spotify. We have broken some amazing records for Happy Seg and Fused.

The most watched entertainment podcast on Spotify recently. That's crazy. So thank you. You guys are awesome. It's amazing. This podcast is bigger than ever, and it's basically 12th year now. So I am so grateful for those of you that have checked out the pod. Hopefully you've enjoyed a small sampling or a large sampling of the nearly 700 episodes of Happy Seg Infused that we've delivered over the last 11 plus years.

Go through our archives, see what we've delivered. Chances are your favorite actor or filmmaker has been on the pod probably more than once. And that applies to the one and only Winona Ryder. So as soon as I do a Winona Ryder episode, the fans are always like one's Winona. and coming back. Well, we made it happen. Of course, we made it happen. If you've listened to my last few conversations with her over the years, you know, we have a very special unique bond. Winona is a unicorn. She, the energy and enthusiasm, the nervous tics, I love it all. We're cut from the same neurotic cloth, I like to think. And I love going on the tangents with her. This was one of the very

a few interviews she did in support of this final season of Stranger Things. It does go on, veer around as the best conversations with Winona does. And I think you're going to enjoy it. If you love her, love her career, you're going to dig this. Before we go to the Winona Ryder Conversation, a brief mention, as always, check out our Patreon. You get early access to all our episodes of Happy Saganfews and bonus materials and merch and all that kind of fun stuff. Patreon.com slash happy, say I confused.

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If you have a Percy Jackson fan in your life and you're in New York, come on out. The link for tickets is in the show notes. Okay, not much more to say about this Winona Conversation. except to say, as always, I'm very grateful that she trusts me when she doesn't do a lot of press. She does tease, by the way, at the end of this conversation, wanting to do another conversation. TBD in that. I don't know if we're actually going to do it or not.

I'd love to, of course, but we'll see if the ship's align. But for now, an embarrassment of riches, a long-form conversation with everybody's favorite, Joyce Byers, Stranger Things. By the way, volume one hits Netflix later this week, volume two, Christmas, and then the finale, New Year's Eve. So lots of excitement to come. And by the way, some more happy, set, confused, Stranger Things episodes are afoot. So stay tuned. And without any further ado, here's me catching up in person in Los Angeles with Winona Ryder. Winona.

Yes. Good to see you as always. Here we go again. I know. This is the intersection of Winona Ryder fans, happy, say, confused fans. This is what they want. This is what they want. We want and they want.

It's good to see you. Oh, no. Who are they? Who are they? These days. Yeah. They're people with good taste. Yeah.

Yeah. Are you feeling happy, sad, or confused as you sit here? I think like it's just been such a big, it's hard to pinpoint, like how I feel. And I felt like this, like, I felt like, I felt like, the whole season. And I felt this sort of really wanting to focus on the kids because I remember being their age and rapping. Well, actually, I remember being a young teenager

and wrapping, such tender years, your adolescence. I remember, like, wrapping things, and truly thinking I might never see any of the people again and being kind of afraid and really sad. And but with, but now like at my age with perspective, like I will always know a lot of these kids. You know, like I'm going to know Finn for the rest of my life. I'm going to know, you know, I hope I get to. work with them again. I hope I, you know. Well, and they met you at such a formative time for

they did. And so for them, it's like half of their entire lives. For me, it's the last 10 years, which is crazy. Well, you've played this character more than any other character in your career. I know. I know. When you think back to the beginning days, 10 years ago, and we've talked about this, like, you know, you didn't know what a streamer was, Netflix was. what you were, I mean, you kind of knew what you were getting into, but you didn't. Obviously, you couldn't. Nobody could. No. Um, I mean, what would, what would you say to Winona 10 years ago that was kind of like on the fence about getting into this? Oh my God. Um, who, I don't know. Um, just like, buckle up. I don't think. I, I mean, I truly think this show, the show is so much

about the kids and I think it was very the first season was like a lot of work for me because it was such an emotional season and it was like my first time having to be that emotional without like necessarily like the 20 minutes to be able to get there so I kind of just had to stay in this, like, level of emotion that was very challenging. But after that, and, you know, with the reception it got, and, like, the kids just sort of, like, skyrocketing into this sort of global, you know. Yeah. Unprecedented.

Yeah. Yeah. I, there was something that happened sort of around season three. where and it was very liberating and relieving for me because I realized this really is about them and instead of like trying to figure out like what I could do and what I can you know a storyline or like it really you know you're getting out of your own head and letting exactly like it just see the big picture yeah and and and it really has been like a real i just feel like because there's the there's the younger kids and then there's the older kids

and um i just feel so lucky to know them and to have them in my life and um i i I really, that's what's so bittersweet about it ending, honestly, is, is, but I do, I've been really trying to, to get them to understand. Like, it doesn't mean, like, our friendship is over. You know, you still available. I'm not changing my number on you for. Yeah, yeah. And, and, yeah. Well, it's funny, because, like, we've talked before about, like, mentorship and, like, how you, early in your career, like, you looked up to this generation before you and at least got a chance to spend time with this generation, and that meant so much to you. So I'm just curious, like, what, I don't know if you have a go-to and kind of, like, when people

are coming to you for general advice or specific advice, because, like, I read something where, like, Timmy, who worked with you briefly on that. commercial, I talked about, like, even in that time, you gave him some very useful tips, he said. Oh, really? I don't know if you remember that. Oh, wow. But generally, what do you say to an actor of a younger generation that's looking for a little bit of guidance? Well, I mean, it's such a different world because of, you know, I didn't grow up with the internet or social media or any of that. I'm really proud of the kids because I think they each, I watch them each figure out how to take breaks from that. I remember like Caleb just turned off his, like, and he was like, God, it's great, you know, like, because I think people are, there is a real, like, addiction to your, right.

your phone and you know whatever and um but i do i think if if i'm really honest i i have this i don't know if i ever told you this i worked with this really great actor trey wilson on great balls of fire he played sam phillips and i just loved this guy and he unfortunately he unfortunately passed away during the film. He was only 39. But we used to watch the dailies, like, on, like, the 14th floor of the Radisson in Memphis, like, in a room. And I remember, like, the last time I saw him, we had watched the dailies, and it was, like, a particularly fun scene.

And he walked me back to my room, and we were walking down the stairs of a hotel. And he sort of stopped me and he's like, you're having a really, you're having such a good time when it doesn't feel like that anymore. You like, like, yeah. Yeah. And that really, like I really just heard that in that moment and that really stayed with me. And I thought that was a really important piece of advice. And I, I, I've tried with the kids on this, I've tried to sort of, I want them to know that they made the show what it is. They're not, they're, you know, everyone, we all know how grateful we all are for these, for this opportunity to be part of the show.

and that narrative has been like we all know that and but i've i've been like no you know you are what everyone fell in love with like you the charm the authenticity your talent like people fell in love with these kids i shouldn't say fell in love that i'd want to sound but you know they they absolutely connected with these kids because these kids are that special and unique and authentic and they and that sort of effortless charm you know and I want I really tried to to drill that into them because I think it's so important when you are part of something that's so like huge and that you know people spend a little lot of money to make it, you know, like that you, those kids are really, really special.

Right. It is, it's, it's, Netflix is so lucky. Right. To have them. And they are what made this show what it is. Yeah. I mean, with all due respect to the bells and whistles and it's so beautifully made. And obviously the doctors do a great job. But it's, it is, it's about characters. And those, the fact that those, it's so emotional, I think, for the audience now saying goodbye, because they have kind of grown up with them and seeing them. I mean, just watching the first couple episodes. Did you see them? Yeah.

I haven't seen that. But like, I mean, you've experienced this. You're with them. But like seeing literally they're different people now in many ways. It's a very like unusual. It's like the one, you know, watching Richard Winklater's boyhood and like watching that kind of transition. It's like. That's a great example.

So powerful. Yeah. I feel like the. It's like, again, they were at such a tender age, and I have a thing about protecting. I really tried to protect, I think it's important. I know we're living in a very confusing world, like, socially, you know, politically, like, it's very complicated. but they're and people you know it's not lost on me that the word fan fandom fan comes from the word fanatic and which is often you know was often i used with in terms of religion or something

which is very personal and very powerful and but i think to it's really important to for them to be able to like experience those tender years in a

in a in an environment where they don't they're not getting so much like outside. The noise that can really confuse all of us. And by the way we've all like

every actor that I know that's that started young we all know what that's like we've all gone through stages I think the difference now is that it like it's everything is documented which is crazy it's crazy Josh well it's crazy like you know the way you came up and the intensity around your fan base, like you, even without Instagram and all of that, you had about as close as they can experience, because you were at the center of madness. The fact that you came out of it saying is... Right. I always think about, though, when I, with the word fan, I always think of that scene and almost famous where he's talking to Lester Banks and he's like, well, I just can't sit around talking to my many fans. And it's literally just...

him. He says that to the kid. Right, right, right. So every time I'm asked, like, about my face, like, I'm like, I can't sit around. I, like, I feel like I'm Lesterbein. Okay, so we just passed. As we tape this, like Halloween was a few days ago. And I bet like every year

friends or whatever send you photos of like people dressed up as some of your iconic characters or you see sometimes like tattoos or shirts that say Winona forever. Like, I mean, you are very much a part of pop culture that is so sticky to the next generation and the generation to come. And I mean, every generation is going to watch heathers and reality bites and it's going to mean something to them.

You think? I don't. I think so. It's interesting. I feel like it's such a like, it's like, oh, such a weird path because on one hand you will, you know, like the kids on the show. there are some that like have watched all of those movies and you know ask me about them and da-da-da-da there there were some that had never seen any of those movies and didn't know what I was talking about right and I know we talked last time about what that game yes the heads-up game yeah yeah is it heads up I think like the trivia where I knew like nothing about today but but I you know and

I do also recognize that I have, I don't know, you know, I know that a lot of people like have discovered that they're like on the spectrum or, you know, and I kind of remember, like, I remember Anthony Hopkins. Yes. And Dan Aykroyd and Annie Lennox. Just I think I, I, I'm like of the generation where it was just called life. Right. You know, there was no... Now it's diagnosed, but back in the day, it was just eccentricity. I like been having conversations like with Scott, with my partner about like, I wonder

if we're all, like, I think maybe everyone is. Somewhere on that spectrum. Because I do have this thing of like, I retain, I can retain a lot of information. Yeah. But often it's not, it's just very, it can be very random. Right. But then it can be, and I do, I think when I talk about movies and when I show Scott movies, I go into this, this, this, like, I go into this like, sort of like, I have to say all of this stuff

because this is like the context to which you need to understand. You're like, ready, I got that. Yeah, like, and this was, this is where it was shot, and this is where, like, and I don't know what that sounds like or looks like. But it's interesting because my agent that I'm with now, he was my old agent's assistant. Oh, wow. Like from many years ago who used to have these like screenings of old men. movies. And my agent was like, you were always there giving the intro with every old movie. You were, you know, you know, it's interesting. I don't know if that's sort of a spectrum thing.

Right. But it is part of who I am. And I think I was embarrassed. about it for a long time, and now I'm just like, well... This is who I am. It's who I am. We always talk about a couple of, like, you know, random films in the filmography. Not surprisingly, there's some we've never discussed. Let me just bring up a couple more, because every time we open up a new volume in the Winona writer filmography, we've never talked about Girl Interrupted.

Oh, wow. We haven't. No, I know, surprisingly. And you were an EP on that. That's another one, like, kind of like Dracula that you kind of helped birth into existence, I believe. Oh, yeah. I would...

By the way. watched Dracula it was on on Halloween and I thought of you because you said you like watched it so many times and I was like this is amazing thank you and I like because it was all practical effects and Roman was a kid was doing such an amazing he did all like the second unit stuff and every transition in that I did any scene jump out at you did it ignite any, must have ignited a lot of memories. Oh, yeah. Crazy.

Give me a minute. Give me something. I mean, what do you want? I remember everything, literally. The prolog. The epic prologue. Oh, Elizabeth. The one that Van Helsing says, well, I had to learn a Romanian.

Right. You can't really hear it, but I'm pleading with him in Romanian. romantic romanian um worked with the great monica blucci was uh was one of the his his brides right um i mean i think because it was such i mean that was all on a sound stage and all practical effects there was like no like cg in that it's remarkable what an achievement amazing and also the sort of what i always was like nervous that it was, there was like, it was too campy. It's operatic intentionally, though. It's.

But you know what I realized? There's a shot where when I first meet the young prince. Yes. Where when I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. When I'm, he takes me to the cinematic and I'm in a, I think that was probably what I was most self-conscious about. But in that shot, you can see that I'm wearing like a lot of.

lipstick and that really affected me when I saw it because I was like that isn't like oh interesting period and oh no like weird little tiny details that probably don't right other people but I'm like oh god you can see the now you've ruined it for all of us like see and then it's it's just not period and that and that nobody had like it an impact on me also I mean The scene where he comes in as the mist and, you know, I just remember that day so clearly, I remember the taste of the flood. And, like, you know, it tasted a little bit like, like cherry night wool, you know, it tasted a little bit like, like cherry stuff, right, yeah.

But I do, and I remember. like loving Francis so much and feeling and I just remember how he have I told you what he would do?

Sure. And I don't, I'm reluctant because I think it was kind of amazing but he would be like we before we were going to do if it was sort of like a big shot like in the garden

with, like, the labyrinth, he'd be like, or in the street, he'd be like, okay, London, bur, per. Like, in action, and we're all like, you know, and but he would, like, kind of call out to us, and this also before Video Village, you know, I love when directors are right there. Yeah, of course, not hiding in a tent somewhere. Yeah, and I feel like every director should. do that should do that a couple of time as much as they can because it's a gift to the actor it means so much to us yeah and um i remember when that like transition happened it got it it

can get it can feel very uh well you're not connected with them like they're doing their own And there are, you know, and I think I, I maybe because I had so much of, I got to have experience that so much, maybe I'm just spoiled because a lot of like I was talking to, I think Noah, like, like he was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, not the norm anymore. They used to be right next to the camera. Yeah. And like watching us. And he was like, I don't, like, what do you mean? And I can't even process what you're talking. Yeah. No, I will say, by the way, I interviewed Francis did the podcast last year for Megalopolis.

I mean, what a, I mean, it's just been an hour with that man. And yeah, the theater games, he still does and everything. Like, I have such reverence for that man. Have you seen the talk about Megalopolis? No, the talk about the making of Dracula. I think I have, yeah, yeah. I discovered it on YouTube. And it's amazing.

And there are, there's a lot of footage. of us in Napa, like throwing sounds in each other. And I really appreciated Billy Campbell's being so honest. He was like, I felt, I kind of felt stupid. I was embarrassed. You know, because there is an element of that in the beginning. It takes a while to be able to like be that sort of silly in front of. 100%. Especially you're working with like one of America's, you know. yeah anyway no that's the best of tangents I will take Dracula tangents any day it's still playing like all the time at the Paris theater around my corner by the way someday I want to tell you about yeah the all the auditions when there was um an actor who came in who and he decided to not use words

in the screen test which was very interesting and I kind of was Daniel day Lewis almost Dracula at one point? No. I think, gosh, because my left foot was like 89. I think he was three years later. Yeah. Okay.

I think we shot it in 91. Sounds right. But I do like there were a lot of actors and it was fascinating and also I just remembered I also want to tell you

about the Heather's auditions because all the guys that came in, it's the scene where I'm, like, fake hanging. And so I just had to stand on a chair like this. And I couldn't, sometimes like, I wanted to watch them, but I'll tell you. I mean, I'll listen to that now if you want. I'm here, but, well, can I ask about a girl interrupted?

Because you assemble such an ensemble for that one. And obviously, Angelina wins the Oscar, but Lizzie Moss and Brittany. I know. I mean, I would imagine you were very involved in, yeah, Clay DeVal, in the casting of that. I mean, you must have had a heavy input in that with Jen Mangold. I did, well, I, you know, remember really, like, I remember my meetings with him trying to try and to get him to do it. And that was based off of heavy, which I just, like, had a really profound, like, I loved it.

I loved Vincent the actor. And I knew it was like it was a, it was a tricky story to tell because it was really just a chapter. and there wasn't like, it wasn't like plot driven. That had to be a little bit constructed. But yeah, that was an amazing experience to be around all of those amazing actresses. You're talking about docs. Have you watched the Scorsese doc yet? This five parts.

I am loving it. So good, right? Yeah. Obsessed. I also, because I worked with Rebecca. You're right. Miller. I worked with Arthur.

Right. I worked with Inga. She photographed me. Okay. And I worked with Daniel. Daniel, of course. So I'm like, okay, Ronan, you're next. Exactly.

No, I, I, um. Well, you need to complete the. trio with Daniel, you've gotten two. You're probably one of a very small handful of actors that won't do Daniel twice. Yeah, I, you know, I texted that, like, I, I, I guess they, it all, like, his movie came out and her dad ducking, I, I, I love that. I haven't watched all of it, but it's, it's, she did a brilliant job. It's so moving.

I know. It's so, it's so moving. Even the stories that I'm, like, familiar with, it's just so well, well done. They cover literally, you'll see by the time you get through it, like literally all this film, so I don't know how she was able to do it. Yeah. So are we closer to a Daniel DeLewis collab or a Keanu collab? Any talk with either lately?

I mean, what a, what a dream. Have you seen Keanu on Broadway? I'm literally going to New York to see him. That's our reason, yeah. That's a good reason. Also, that play, winning for Godot is a huge thing in my family because my father saw it when it first opened on Broadway. We had like the artie uncle, or he had like the artie uncle that was like taking him. And he was 16 and it made him become a writer.

It made him like choose. And then he became. kind of obsessed with Beckett and he what um he had like was stationed in France during the time there was anything going on but he went to this cafe for like a couple of years that that he heard that Beckett frequented it was on the wrong he was on the wrong bank right left or right it's so it's so Beckett right it's such a that's Classic Beckett move. Beckett thing, yeah.

You like the production's pretty amazing. Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. You mentioned, I mean, like, we've obviously talked, like you've always been such a reader, parents, writers, like, do you write? Have you ever written? Like, are you?

Yeah. I do write so much. I... In what form? Like, is it like... It's usually just journal and thoughts and, you know, you know, watch something or... It's sort of just, I can all show you my giant notebooks, but I found this old, it's funny, I found this old notebook where it was from when I was around like 21.

And I think I had, I remember my therapist had, I was like dealing with anxiety for the first time. He had said, if you draw, like, I listened to a lot of music, and he said, draw out the lyrics just to, like, keep yourself, like, focused on, you know, and just breathe. And so I found this, I'll text you a picture. Like, it's, it's like, just characters in. I mean, it's Bruce Springsteen, it's, but it's like the story of, you know, Mary on the porch. Right. And, you know, the radio playing Roy Orbison. And it's just like the back, it's just sketches.

And then just all the, what a great, what great advice to, because I was also traveling and working and, you know, just dealing with like way to channel something and it's such a it was such a great piece of advice and I filled notebooks with all right

finish this sentence for me I wish someone would offer me a script where I get to what can we manifest for you what are you wanting right now that you're not getting a chance that people aren't even envisioning for you at this point

I just wait the sentence so the sentence is something to the effect of I wish someone would offer me a script where I get to. Where it's just characters has nothing to do with effects. Genre, no. Yeah, it has, well, there's, that is just, I just watched that, this Patty Chiafsky documentary.

It's called collector. of words. Okay. And I, that made me go watch the movie Marty again. Right. Which is such a like simple, but gorgeous. And it makes you feel so much. And by the way, Mr. Redford, that the fact that he, in quiz show, like,

which is one of my all time. I know. Herbie Stumple had to take a fall on money. Marty of all things. All things, it's just, that's like the biggest injustice in the whole. Totally. But it made me go sort of watch some of the hospital, the Patti Chayefs Network. And it's, it words.

Yes. Incredible. Like the, I guess they were called Kitchen Sink. Right. You know, I love those. And I, I want, I feel like we need those back. we, I feel like there's, there's, there's, there should be a variety. Right.

Instead of. We're well taken care of one end. Yes. Exactly. Now, we got that taken care of guys. And, um, for real. Like, I feel like there, I feel like there needs to be more kitchen, kitchen. We're going to manifest.

Yeah. Okay. Here's how we're going to end this. This is going to be tough challenge for you. You ready? Okay. I've been doing this with actors. have amazing filmographies.

I'm going to pit some of your own movies against each other. And you're going to anoint the greatest Winona Ryder film of all time. Okay, does it have to do with just the movie as a whole? Yeah, you can separate your performance out of it. Just like which, and it's a gut thing. This is not definitive, but just as I do this, bear with me. Here we go. You're going to have to choose Black Swan versus Dracula.

Oh, wait, that's so hard. I know it is. Today, today it's. So we have to like imagine a world without one of those something like that yeah that's terrible I agree I mean I feel like if I say I feel like you're not betraying either it feels like a huge betrayal and it it also feels I mean I love Natalie so much and she was so brilliant in that Okay. I won't make you, this is not, you're not the right person for this. This is going to wreck you. I don't want to destroy you. Then we'll do it this way. Tell me this. What's the film

you got sucked into Dracula recently? Is there a film that like you always get sucked into or will never watch again? Like, what's the whom you do always get sucked into or don't get sucked into of your own filmography? Oh, of my, yeah. I was going to talk about John Sales because I mean, I have been like every, every one of. his movies as a master lone star the rhone inish i mean brother from another planet it's they're all such masterpieces and have this uh anyway i love john sales you know what that question about i wanted to be offered a movie where i get to say words written by john sales why isn't i feel like he doesn't get the opportunity anymore i yeah we need more john sales in the universe

All right. Well, so we'll end on this. Any of the illustrious Winona writer filmography that comes on TV, you will always get sucked into. You can separate yourself enough from that you'll... Yes. I know Heather's. I know every line. I, it would probably God, I think about some of the people that have probably, like I can, I can recite the entire thing as it's happening. Favorite line from Heather's? Um, that's, that it, it, what, it used to be, uh, I don't patronize bunny rabbits. But I also love my teen, angs bullshit. It has a body count.

And, you know, are we going to prom or to hell? It's literally every, yeah, every, um, every, um, every scene there's just an absolute. Yeah. like it's just a brilliant a brilliant script and you know i love it i get sucked into i can't like it's sacrilege to turn off cathers the crucible yes that also the language that i know all of the because there's no known recording of anyone speaking in that accent because it's the what is it 1490 you know it's it was sort of a mashup of like Boston and Irish and anyway that it feels like you I can't turn that off obviously age of innocence

Alzheimer. Too many. Too many. We'll continue this. This is your fourth time on the podcast. I'll have you know. Fifth time you get a free hat.

Really? So this is, for no other reason, you have to come back for that. Oh, man. Thank you, as always, for the time making time for me. We don't have more time.

There's always more time. We're going to continue this. It's okay. The conversation will continue. I know. Are you going to, can we do this for like the second? Yes.

Is it greenlit? Are we doing it? No, it's being released. In three parts, technically, volume one, volume two, and then the finale. So we can continue this in... I'm game if you are. Yes. Okay.

It's good to see you. I adore you. You're the best. Thank you, but honestly. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh.

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