Happy Sad Confused - Zoey Deutch, Vol. II

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

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There you are, pushing your newborn baby in a stroller through the park. The first time out of the house in weeks. You have your Starbucks, venty, because, you know, sleep deprivation. You meet your best friend, she asks you how it's going, you immediately begin to laugh, then cry, then laugh cry, that's totally normal, right? She smiles, you hug, there's no one else you'd rather share this with. You know, three and a half hour sleep is more than enough. Starbucks, it's never just coffee.

Wait, was that the group chat? Ah, sent a text to the group that definitely wasn't for everyone. You're good. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. Do you feel like you have like the sweet spot of celebrity? You get like, you get just enough kind of like recognition at the Starbucks where you're like, I can live my life, get some love and move on with my day?

I got a free Starbucks the other day for my birthday. It was so nice. He was so nice. I mean, I guess everyone gets the free Starbucks for their birthday. I didn't want to break it to you. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. I'm Josh Horowitz.

And today on Happy Say I Confused, Zoe Deutsch is back. But this isn't 20-something Zoe anymore. We're talking to a Broadway lady, people. She's 30. She's making her Broadway debut in Our Town. Not to mention, he's got a new movie directed by No West and Clint Eastwood out. They grow up so fast. There she is.

It's Zoe Deutsch. Hi, Zoe. Hi, Josh. Nice to see you. It's great to see you. Congratulations on all fronts. I've seen the movie. I've seen the show, as you know.

And congrats on, I can't say joining me. Sadly, my 30s are long behind me. But how are you feeling? A little belated. but happy birthday, buddy. Thank you so much. I feel good. I'm not having the existential dread

that so many people have sort of. It's funny, there's a tiptoeing around how do you feel about 30? I'm like, maybe it's because I feel I am doing exactly what I want to be doing in this moment. So I'm just, it's a great beginning of this new chapter for me. I love this place so much, and I'm having so, much fun doing it eight times a week, that it's a, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's minimally existential. Yeah. And I would imagine like, like, yeah, like celebrating in New York just

after the show has opened. I mean, it's like an easy, you know, these birthdays are all about markers and be like, oh, wow, I just had like a major career marker that I've been probably thinking about for a long time. So this does feel like all the ships are coming together. Everything's coming together at the right moment. Also, it's like, you know, It's wonderful to be 30 playing 11 years old. It's a, it's a, you know, I'm feeling really good about that. And yet, when I think, when I think of you, I think of you as an old soul. I feel like Zoe is like a 75-year-old man in a 30-year-old woman's body in some, in some capacity.

Thank you. Finally. Yes. Thank you. What was, what was the food for 30? because you're a foodie. I appreciate that even more than your acting ability. What was important to ingest? We had delicious. We had a lot of food, but it was like I wanted it to just be like hearty and delicious. And originally we were going to go to rocioli, which I don't know if you've been to the

New York one, but I love the one at home. But it was proving to be a little tricky with people. So we switched to a different place and had like really delicious burgers and and pastas and salads. and it was just classic and delicious. Love it, love it. I appreciate that you put me as a foodie before actor, or actually dog food acting. Those are the order of importance. This is why you're so important to me.

You hit the trifecta. These are the things that truly are most important to me in life, without a doubt. It's also, by the way, it's not quite our 10th anniversary. It's kind of more of our 11th anniversary, but Vampire Academy came out 10 years ago, early in the year. We probably started talking in 2013, Let's give ourselves a round of applause anyway for 10 plus years of friendship conversation.

We have a very long relationship, very long friendship. I would say I'm one of the early adopters of Happy Sad Confused. One of the OGs. You were definitely one of the OGs. I'd like to think I'm one of the OGs in the Zoe Deutsch fan club as well. So it's a mutual admiration society. And last time I saw you, I told you about how, because when we met, it was at that, it was at the Javits thing, right?

Yeah. Oh, that sounds, yeah, yeah, I think it probably was. And you were about to go to the Javits, and I have told you that I, that I, retell your story, it's a good one. Thank you for reminding me. Yeah. No, it's, it still makes sense to me. Like, I don't, okay, I must have been 18, and we were doing some sort of comic con or some sort of thing for,

for Vampire Academy. And it was at the Javits Center. And in front of everybody in the audience, when I, the mic was given to me, I was very nervous. And I said, well, thank you so much for having us here at the Jacob Chavid Center. It's an honor. Looked at me like, what? She's Jewishier than we thought. Wow. It really came out. Like, I'm not even, too. Like, I'm just confused where I got that from.

So that was that's, that was that day, I think that I met you. at the Jacob-Khabit Center. I'm a sucker for anybody that pronounces Jacob, Jacob. I love it. Always. Always. What was going on? Not sure? Not sure. You can call me. If it makes you feel better, you can call me Yosh instead of Josh. Yosh. Okay, no problem. Okay. So give me a snapshot of your life right now.

Whenever I'm talking to folks that are in the middle of a run, I feel like guilty stealing any minutes of their time because I feel like they should be in a hermetically sealed chamber when they're not on stage. because it is such an all-encompassing thing. What's the lifestyle like right now? Is our town like on the brain 24-7? Yes, it is, but also, I mean, the only, the biggest, well, it's not too big of a shift. I'm already nervous and hypochondriacal.

Like, I'm scared about getting sick all the time. So it's just, it's just amped up a little bit more. Right. Like, I think I am the biggest supporter. number one customer. I'm keeping juice generation alive. I have like 16 of the immunity drinks a day. But otherwise, no, my life is, it's, it hasn't, I don't feel that restricted by it or like I can't have a life outside of it. I am so, it is such a joyful different experience for me to have routine. Right. Um, I'm not familiar with it. I don't, when I started this when I was young,

I just got into a flow of it and it meant adapting to whatever new lifestyle and job and place and home and in situation and hours of work. It just meant change, constant change. So the opportunity to go to the same place in my same cubicle with the same beautiful people and order the same foods and go to bed at the same time. And it is like, to be honest, very healing. Right. And, and unfamiliar to me. I'm, I'm, I love it so much. Does it invade, does it invade the sleep, dreams, nightmares related to? Are you the kind of person that thinks about work lines, forgetting your lines in your sleep? Not forgetting my lines, but it's the first time in my life or career where almost every single night. I wake up at,

in the middle of the night with a different idea. Or like, fuck, why did I do that? Or I should have done that or let me try that tonight. Or oh my God, that's what that line means. Like my brain is really working on the material as I'm sleeping in a way I've never had before. And it's not, and I love dream work. And I love inviting the work into,

but I've never had this where I'm not inviting it in. I'm not trying to explore my dreams. It's just there. So yeah, to answer your question, I am living, breathing 24th. sleeping 24-7 R-Town. But I remember it. It's not like I'm writing it down.

I remember the notes I'm giving myself in my sleep. Well, that's good. So the next time I see the show, it'll be a slightly tweaked here. You're evolving as it goes, which is like, you don't want it stuck in amber. I find I'm very different. I find, I'm sorry, I interrupted you.

I find it's very different. I don't find that there are small tweaks. I find it personally, the personal experience, dramatically different. every single night. And I'm, I've been curious to ask, you know, friends and family who have seen it multiple times, like, do you feel it's different?

Does it feel really different to you? And, and I don't think they feel it's as, as drastic. But they definitely like, yeah, I do see a difference. Yeah. So, and this is one look for, you know, I haven't feeling anyone listening or watching the podcast knows what our town is. But this is obviously one of those all American classics, Thornton Wilder, it's been, if it's not been done,

done at your high school, what's wrong with your high school? It's just one of those. And it's a play that has been with you for a while. It's been on the list. So how did you encounter it? Like, did you encounter it in school, seeing a production or just, yeah, how did it enter your life? Our town is a great American play, arguably the great American play. It's been my favorite play for as long as I can remember. I didn't see it. I've never actually seen it done. I've never seen it performed ever. I've just loved it and shared. the text for, you know, since I read it when I was 13 or 14 or whatever, and it's sat on my night table since then. Obviously, the night table has shifted. I haven't, I'm not in my, still in my childhood bed. Don't worry. I've moved out of my home. Thanks for clarifying. Yeah. But I, I, I've just, I've, I've returned to it because it, every time, it just feels so different to me. And it hits a different.

part of me. And I, honestly, yes, a lot of people know, but if you are new to it, I'm jealous. It's an amazing journey. And it's old, but it's anything but dated. It's timeless. It's simple, but so, so profound. And it's, I really feel that it's full of real sentiment, which is not the same as sentimental. It's not sentimental, especially this production I find. And it's deceptive. is deceptive. And I am, yeah, I can't believe it hasn't been on Broadway in over 20 years, so getting to be in this production, stepping into Emily Webb's world and holding her heart

and my heart every night is something that I'll forever be grateful for. And, yeah, I, I, I, it's a very, it was a funny journey coming to it. Like, I wasn't a manifester, Yosh, but I am now. Like, I, this is the one thing in my life so far. I have been so, well, maybe other than acting. I was super clear that I was going to act.

But this is the first really specific thing that I've ever been so clear about in my life and in my career that I had to do. And the ways in which the universe conspired to work with me and support me was, Unbelievable. I'm acting like I created manifesting. I just...

Guys. Guys, there's a real thing you can do. If you go for something you want, you can get it. But it's so funny because so often in interviews, there's a question that is a very fair, valid question that's asked, which is, what do you want to do next? What's your dream part? And I don't know if you've ever felt hesitance

from actors or directors or writers when you ask that question, And I certainly feel I've I've been reticent to answer it because it gives power to the person and we don't and it's it's intense to be like super clear with what you know you want. Um, I've never been able to honestly answer. I'll be like, I want to do a Western or I want to do a music, you know, but to be like so, uh, specific is hard and scary. And, um, anyway, this was the first thing I did that with on like a really grand, bizarre level that one might call delusional, uh, with witnesses, witnesses saw, I'm not, I'm not just a cuckoo person. Like I, I, I, I, I, I, my boyfriend, my agent, my sister, my parent, they saw this happen. I got a place in New York. Sorry, I'm ranting, but. No, I was going to say, that's just something only a cuckoo person would say, by the way,

is I'm not a cuckoo person, just so you know. I know people think on the internet, they're saying Zoe's crazy. For the record, I will. I'm not. crazy. Yeah, it's like when someone's like, I don't want to be a bitch, but then they're a bitch. No, tell me, tell me for the record. So yeah, give me the circumstances. What happened? I had loved this play forever and I just was, I just was reading it over and over and over. And I was like, I have to play this part. I have to. And one day, they are going to do it again on Broadway. And there's no chance I'm gonna be on the list of people to play Emily Webb. I've never done Broadway.

It's just not, it's not gonna happen. So what's one thing that can help me get a leg up if I'm a local hire? So I decided I'm gonna get a place in New York. This was a delusional COVID during COVID quarantine time. I was like, I'm gonna get a place in New York. So when they do it, I live in New York, quote unquote. So obviously when I told my boyfriend this,

he was like, are we breaking up? Are you moving to New York? I'm like, no, no. no, no, no, this is for when they do our town. He's like, but they're not doing our town? And I was like, no, they're not doing our town. And he was like, okay, got it. So then I tell my agent, I say, hey, let's get a drink.

This is I guess like two years ago or something I said. So by the way, I got a place in New York to play Emily Webb. And he was like, what? I was like, when they do our town, I got a place so they could, I can do it. And he was like, first off, okay. And also that's so weird, I just had a call, with Kenny Leon who he wants to bring Artown back for the first time on Broadway in 20 plus years.

How do you know that? I said, I didn't, but you've got to get me a meeting with him. You've got to get me a meeting with Kenny. And he said, I don't know, this is unbelievable. The odds are so bizarre, I'm gonna make this happen. I'm gonna get you a meeting with Kenny Leon. So I guess, I don't know, eight months goes by, something like that.

And last summer I was shooting a movie in Dublin called The Anniversary and this lovely actress, I was with this lovely actress named McKenna Grace, who was playing my sister. And I got, as I was sitting there, I got an email that said, I got you a meeting with Kenny Leon to play Emily Webb on Broadway. Got you the meeting. And I, like, practically threw my phone across the room. And McKenna, who knew nothing about it, about anything about this, looked at me.

And she said, what's so exciting, Emily? And I was like, why did you just call me Emily? She's like, I don't know. You just looked like an Emily to me. And at that moment, I was just like, all right. Something about the universe and then the things that kept happening after it, it just fell into place in this really beautiful way. And when I told Kenny, I was like, I don't know how to explain it either way. You have to trust me. I need to do this. And he listened to me.

So it was a really powerful, bizarre series of events. And if that's the only thing that I manifest, it will have been the greatest gift of my life. So it was weird, Josh, really, really weird. It's weird, but from personal experience of having a thousand of these conversations with actors, it's not just, not to say I or this podcast has any power, but I've seen it's happened so many times when conversations and repeated conversations, they truly do lead to stuff. People watch and listen to the conversations and podcasts and stuff.

And like, just to like bring someone's name up they haven't thought of in a certain context. Oh, wait, they're there. Because on the outside looking in, I mean, why would, I mean, sure, she would be interested in our town, but why? I mean, there are a thousand actors that could be. Exactly. No, but it's so interesting. It's in a human experience where you just don't, we don't give ourselves enough credit for the power and the agency that we have in our lives.

Right. You know, so I'm sitting here going, it's magical and you're sitting there going like, no, you, you said what you wanted. And then people were like, oh, okay, sure, that makes sense. If she really wants that, she's going to work hard. You know what I mean? It feels crazy. to engage in the world that way, but it was so empowering, honestly. And it made me, and maybe that's also partially the reason I'm so excited

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I would imagine they're also like, you know, I know you just recently worked with Richard Linklider again, and these kind of like talk about kind of like full circle, manifesting, coming at things at different points in your life. You're a different woman than you were at everybody. but he wants some and then in terms of where your career and your life and that I mean, that must mark a moment too when when Rick Lindelter comes back to you and says, I want to work with you again and in this capacity in this kind of a role.

It was weird. It was yeah, that and the Clint thing. It was weird because the way that juror number two came about was, um, I, sorry to jump around, but both I didn't kind of realize the parallels of how full circle they were. but I had auditioned for, I'd done a self-tape for a Clint Eastwood movie like eight years ago. And I can't speak for all actors, but I can speak for some that I've spoken to.

Self-tapes are kind of frustrating. You do them and they kind of go into the abyss and they don't really hear much. You just hear, oh, they're going in a different direction. You're like, did it ever get to the person, did the casting director even see it? You know, it's kind of disheartening sometimes. And he had remembered my self-tape from,

years ago. I didn't even know it got to him. And that many years later, he was like, will you come on this journey to do juror number two with me? So that was full circle. And then, yes, working with the wonderful, amazing Richard Link later, 10 years, almost to the like day of everybody wants some on his new movie, Neuvel Vogue, was amazing and full circle. The movie was so fun And I'm so excited to see it Yeah I want to ask you I just had I feel very lucky I feel very very lucky I got to work with two of my favorite directors

Of all time Last year like I'm beyond lucky I had Nicole on the podcast very recently caught up with him Talked a little bit about juror number two Which I saw and really enjoyed and I love that people like I mean you know I'll say this because I can But it feels like the studio kind of didn't realize what they had on their hands Like, people that are seeing it are really digging the movie.

It's fantastic. So people should check it out if they can. But, you know, we talked about the famous like Clint Eastwood technique, which is true, apparently. Very few takes. Very, like, the chillest man seemingly on the planet of way he runs a set. So I'm curious, like, how that vibes with you in terms of, like, did you feel like you wanted to do more? Or did you kind of key into, like, oh, that's all you need from me? I can, you trust me enough to do this in two or three takes?

like did that did you immediately kind of like gel into that rhythm uh it feels impossible to not gel into the rhythm he creates it's so calm and lovely and no one's yelling imagine that's it's just like there's no act stop right um which is what action and then cut are it's like feel something don't feel something stop Yeah, he has sort of these, he has different words, which are like, all right, whenever you're ready. Right. And then, all right, that's enough of that. You know, the one sort of Clintism lore thing that didn't, that wasn't really consistent with what I had been told is the one take.

Really? Okay. He was so generous. If you wanted another one, he would, of course, give it to you. But he would throw it back at you, he'd go, do you really need another one? Right. And it wasn't, it was beautiful because it gave me a chance to really ask myself that question and use it when I really, really felt I did need another one. And this is a second movie I've been lucky enough to make with Nick Holt.

And we both work in a similar way, which is there is never enough takes. Right. would do we would do them forever and especially I would do them forever if it was with Nick because he's such a wonderful actor and person and also so fucking funny I don't know we were just crying laughing like most of most of our time on that set but it was I thought it was really wonderful for us to experience, like, trusting our instincts and trusting our first instincts with this. Yeah. The one thing that was really kind of different for me was you never really know 100% if the rehearsal is shooting or not. Oh, interesting. Oh, wow. So that was the part that

was like, I started to realize once I step on, because once you step on set, the cameras, everything is all ready, lighting. So, and the room is lit entirely for whatever happens. So that was, I started to learn by day three, okay, when I come on to set, just know that could be, you could be, you know, because it's not like you know, oh, if the director is over in Video Village,

then, because he sits right at the camera. He's in the scene with you, which, which is awesome, I think. I loved it. Is there a director back there? Is there anybody watching me? Like that kind of sensation, which I'm sure you've had,

whichever actors had, the video village thing from 1,000 miles away. Yeah. You know, he's there. He's not looking at a monitor ever. Yeah. And back to the food thing, the food is really good because he's had the same caterers

for 40 years and they, you know, some of the best food ever had on the set. Nick said the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. What a shock for you. You let people sleep, the days are not crazy, and there's good food, and everyone's happy.

And you wonder why he gets such great performances if, you know, I hear the word that always comes up from great actors is relaxation, right? And like, again, like not screaming, friction, tut. It's like, it's just like putting you in kind of hopefully that place where you can focus and relax and just not stress as much as possible in an artificial circumstance. Yeah, like what about shocking the nerve? nervous system create connection, right? What about being like, ah, and chaos, poking and prodding creates connection. I don't know, but it's one of the sort of things about, yeah, he's cracked the code. He really has, and he's really funny and warm and wonderful.

So that was a very unique experience. Yeah, you're in all these like experiences. I think of the show right now and Clint, it's like you want to be so present. You want to know, because you know these, both of these for a variety of reasons are, or once in a lifetime, very special things that you just need to kind of like, I don't want to let this go by without absorbing every single moment of it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I do feel every day really lucky. I'm, you know, I'm other than the moments when I'm rushing through Times Square. screaming at people to get out of my way i'm so zen john it really makes me laugh when i'm in when i'm for the people that know the the the play when i'm in the third act and i'm talking about how you know people are troubled and you know having all these revelations about life i laugh at myself when i do find

when i'm in the middle of times square like got the fuck out of my way oh i always say because i you know for many years thanks nm tv had an office over in time square and like walking through there i would turn into, like, the crazed Vietnam vet that mutters to himself. Like, it was just like, you wonder about those guys? Like, wait, I've become that guy. And that's what, that's what Times Square can do to a human being. It is shocking. It's a shocking place.

What? Have you had time to watch anything? What are your film and TV show loves lately? What's in the queue, Zoe? I don't know. All of a sudden, I see nothing. I can't. Nothing.

Brain is empty. I don't think I've watched anything. You know, I will say I have a very difficult time watching stuff while I'm working. I don't know. I am not. I haven't been particularly like, I do have a hard time watching stuff while I'm working. I don't know if that. I guess.

No, I get it. How about this? Who are you watching, Josh? I just watched the substance. for the second time last night. I'm insane. Yeah. It's a lot.

Have you seen Wicked yet? I have seen Wicked. I like Wicked a lot. And I've never seen it on Broadway. So I was new to it. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of musicals, because the other bedside obsession play musical I'd heard you mention is Cabaret. Is Cabaret one of those? Is that still? Is that the manifest musical on the list? It is.

It is. I got to play Sally. I really do. So my mother played Sally Bowles on Broadway. And I lived with her here while she was doing it. And I toured with her. And she did it at a Studio 54. And I sat in her dressing room eight times a week.

And I would help her do her makeup. And I would sneak out of her dressing room to try to watch the second act, because I wasn't allowed to, for obvious reasons. And it was really the, it was the place that I realized. I wanted to, I had to be an actor. So that part holds such a special place in my heart. So I hope, I hope one day I have the great honor

of getting to play that role. I watched my mom just, She was amazing. And she was so fulfilled and she was so fucking good. And I was like, you know, I just watched what it gave her and what she gave it. And I am, I was really inspired at four or five. So that's another one on the bucket list for sure. And that's one of those roles.

I've seen, I've seen it a few times on stage recently, Gail Rankin, of course. And then remember, yeah, yeah, obviously Emma, Emma Stone did it. a few years back. It's one of those. Yeah, you'll get there. I'm sure you will. Speaking of movie musicals, I could see you. They just announced Rob Marshall's doing guys and dolls. Do we want to get you in on an audition there? Yes. Right? I, I, yes. And I was, I was really, I was, I was sort of, I asked Rick every other day, like, so merrily. So, is there any other, but, uh, no, yes. I, um, Are you Adelaide or are you Sarah, Sarah Brown?

Which, where do you tend to? Either. Don't box yourself in. Don't box myself in. I'll be dating, Nate and Detroit if you want. I don't care. I'm not being very clear with the universe right now, Josh. Probably won't happen.

You have to be really, really clear. I know. I'm trying to help. Okay, flights on Air Canada. Oh, wow. Mayorka, that's new. Oh, nice. But Vienna is a classic Mozart, palaces and schnitzel. Mm-mm, now you're cooking.

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What are we to make of, we were early adopters. We bought stock early on Glenn Powell. What's our perspective on the Glenn Powell mania? I mean, we knew this was coming. It was just a matter of. of not if but when is there some validation now that everyone likes him i don't right you're the one you know i don't see it i don't see it i don't get it you know um uh he's annoying he's perfect he's there's nothing wrong we can't find anything wrong he's uncounted

cancelable nervous talking about it. I saw a picture of his abs the other day. Now I can't. It's just. I know. That's a lot. Unbothered. No, I mean, he is headed straight to the moon, literally, probably with Tom Cruise.

There is no, everyone keeps saying it. It's his year. He's like, his year. No, this dude is here to stay. And he's just going to keep getting more and more successful and and have stronger arms and he's going straight to the top as he should. Can I ask you, whatever happened to the script for the Katie Silverman project that you guys were going to re-team on? Is it, have we lost hope? Is it over? Like, what happened?

It's my favorite script that I have on this computer. I cannot stress how good it is. I was just talking to Katie yesterday about it. It's just one of those things. I, it will be made. It is so good. Yeah, if I could, I would make it tomorrow. I really, yesterday.

Is it in the same, is it the same vibe vein as set it up? Is it, it's a rom-com or? Yes. It's a rom-com. Okay. Okay. But different, of course. I want to make it so bad.

Okay. We're manifesting all over the place today. It's okay. And it's an amazing part for Glenn. He, and it's a, I just, yeah, I want to bring the team back together so badly. He's changed his number on us. We can't get a hold of him. Glenn, what happened, buddy?

You know, it's funny. I listen to, I listened back to our last, I know, I know, I know. I listened back to our last podcast, which was six years ago. Always interesting to get a snapshot of where folks were at that time. There were a couple of revelations. You said you had no idea who you were. You had like, I have no idea who I am right now. So it sounds like from our conversation today, you have more of a sense of who you are today.

Wow. That's so interesting. Yeah, no, I definitely feel much more in tune with who I am. And that's so, that's, yeah, at least I was honest. You were very honest, to the point that you said that you still had never met your therapist. You were only talking to them. Did you ever meet? Did you ever FaceTime your therapist?

What's the relationship now? Not that one. Not that one. I have a new one here who I was seeing in person and now I'm sort of like, oh, I'll talk to you on the phone. And I've discovered. What's going on? Zoe, what's that about? You need another therapist that to analyze why you don't want to see your therapist in person.

Oh, don't worry. I have had that. I like my bed. I like being in my bed. But this one, at least I've met in person, so I know her. Okay. What was something else I said? Here's an interesting one. We were talking about career stuff. You actually said, you know, you want to be a superhero. You wanted to be Spider Woman, you said at the time.

So I don't know if you got in on the Madam Webb auditions, but Zoe, in retrospect, you might have dodged the bullet. It actually worked out. I was a bad manifest. because I didn't know who I was. You didn't know what you wanted. You didn't know you were a little off, just a little off. No, I was off, really off. You did, this didn't come up because it was subsequent.

But I think, you know, if the trazer to be believed, you did another interesting wrinkle in the comic book world is, did you audition for Batgirl? Was that something that you at least got a shot out? I did. Yeah. Yeah. What was that experience like?

Did you put on the suit? Is that mortifying? Was it enjoyable or? It wasn't that. I didn't get to that point. I am trying to remember. It was a couple years ago. Yeah.

I mean, I don't remember if I was able to read a script before testing for it. But I remember it like, it. Those things are so funny. I've only been involved in a couple of them, but there's a lot that goes on around it. And it kind of gets blurry, if that makes sense. I didn't really know what it was or,

but it of course was a big opportunity. And I would, I would love to be in one of those movies. I find them to be so fun and and, but yeah, Yeah. It does. I get what you're saying about all the stuff around it because like what people sometimes don't realize is like you sign your life away for like this like five picture deal often into it for an audition for a script you haven't read for a project that could go or not go. And it's like you're promising a potential life and you don't even know what you're reading for. It's a lot. Exactly. You get it. You get it. When are we going to complete the trifecta of music videos? We have Ed Shearan, Justin Bieber. It's a tough duo to follow.

I think I'm retired. I think if I do another one, I mean, it's like enough, all right? Okay, we get it, Zoe. You want to kiss some pop stars. It's like, chill out, you know? You can kiss some ladies at Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter, who's on the list? I would love that. Never mind. I'm back.

I'm out of retirement. If it's one of them, I'm happy to. Honestly, I will provide my services as video girl. I'm here. I'm ready. I'm available. Honestly. you cross past Sabrina contemporary have you cross past with her over the years yeah yeah so

amazing and lovely and sweet and i am so happy for her there is nothing i she she was so ready for this moment yeah i have like second hand anxiety for any of these people who i don't know who get into superstardom um and like aren't prepared for it not that anyone can be prepared for it right But she is working a fucking ass off for so long, and she is so talented, and she has put in so much time. And I'm very passionately proud of the place that she's in. And I love her music, and I love everything she's doing. So I can't imagine how intense it is to get everything

that you had ever dreamed for in that way. And I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that comes along with it. And the challenges and all that. But putting all that aside, I think she's prepared. And I love that. Do you feel like you have like the sweet spot of celebrity? You get like, you get just enough kind of like recognition at the Starbucks where you're like, I can live my life, get some love and move on with my day. I got a free Starbucks the other day for my birthday.

It was so nice. He was so nice. I mean, I guess everyone gets free Starbucks for their birthday. I don't want to break it to you. I mean, I think literally everyone does. No, no, it's because you're great. And you also get a free little candle at Dipique, which is awesome. Okay, Josh, enough about me.

I need to ask you, how do you feel about 10 years of Happy, Sad, Confused? Like, how do you feel? Is it feel crazy? It's in that amount of time, or is it feel? It feels crazy, but I mean, it gets, honestly, to be, you know, earnestness isn't my forte, But like, to go along the journey with folks and to know folks, and that's the really fun part right now, is you get to meet new folks and that's always exciting. But to revisit folks at different stages, like this kind of conversation we're having and to have the perspective and just, I don't know, have a ringside seat to people is really, really cool. To know you, like, when you literally were just starting in film and had different kind of aspirations and nerves and fears.

And I don't know. So that's what makes it cool. And that's why, like, I feel like I'm always going to be rewarded by this. I'm going to enjoy doing this forever because the story, the people will hopefully come along with me. I'll come along with them and the story will just change. You're everybody's favorite person to see on the press, on the list of what's to come for press. But it must be so, I mean, it's a very unique relationship and experience to have with all these people who you also see in very intense moments of their lives. like in press tours and you know what and they're scared or they're excited or

they're whatever and and you don't maybe sometimes talk to them for a couple years and then you see them again and you had these big um sometimes sometimes not these big conversations with them and then a couple years it's like a I don't know what the word would be but it's like sort of therapy sort of not no it is it is it is this weird like yeah this check-in like it's like hopefully I try to be I'm like a familiar face a calming force hopefully in that scrum on that red carpet you know you're at the Oscars and you're going to see me like oh i knew Josh when i was 21 years old and that'll feel hopefully something something comforting there and it works both ways yeah now i appreciate

you saying that i you know thank you um let's just i'm so proud of you and i think you are you're i just i'm yeah i really am i'm always right back at you you're crushing it thank you too okay before i let you go i'm going to end with the happy Say I Confused profound- Let me go. I thought we had four more hours. There's the real Zoe. She just came out.

Happy, say, I confused, profoundly random questions. I know the answers to the first one, and she's going about to make a cameo. Dogs or cats, Zoe. Dogs. Okay, Lucy's about to show up. Hold on. What do you collect, if anything? Uh, uh, uh, mobiles, like, like fake calls.

Alder mobiles. That was not good. I did not have money on that one. It used to be bugs like beetles. I would do that. And then there were coins. I was a coin girl. Yep.

By the way, I found a like 100 year old coin in my radiator, which is interesting. And also an Ellis Island coin. You could find a lot worse things in a New York apartment. That's about the best possible old thing you could find. Yeah. Okay. No, it's not here. Okay, next question.

Sorry. Next. What's the wallpaper on your phone? It's Maybell, wasn't it? Yeah, there she is. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Last actor you were mistaken for.

Probably Haley Lou Richardson or Caitlin Dever. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like. Where's the thing of us being sisters? I know. I have been trying to manifest a long time. All three of us, what the heck?

Come on, the universe. What's the worst note a director has ever given you? No names needed. The worst note a director was ever given me. I don't know. I don't know. The only thing I can come to mind is like if I hear them like talking shit about, like if I,

like if they're saying the note to somebody, somebody i have a problem where i'm listening to too much and i should tune out better i i'm listening to conversations that are not for me to hear sometimes so the worst note would be like if they said something that i that wasn't to me but it was to somebody else because they were you know just tell me you know that that would be my own but you know the note the bad notes that people might think like do better or louder or faster be be prettier i'd like this i'm like happy to hear I'm like, really? Okay. Great. You want me to step in this light better? I look bad there or be louder or be better, be funnier. That I don't mind. Okay. Happy second fuse. Actor who always makes you happy. You see them on screen.

Emma Stone. This is, we'll accept that one, definitely. Movie that makes you sad. Oh, it's a wonderful life. Which was inspired by our town. just FYI another mention of the greatest play and greatest movie and I can think of no one better equipped to answer this a food that makes you confused okay scallops oh no oh I'm so yeah this as some wow it's like um omicasse Japanese food and that yeah and every time I have to tell them like, hey, I don't eat scallops, and they look at me like, oh, she must be a picky eater. It's tough for my ego.

But it feels random. Why? What's that about? I don't know. I don't like scallops. I don't like scallops. I don't like scallops. I don't like scallops.

I don't like. It's starting to do like an AA meeting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, can you tell me one food that confuses you? I'm more picky than you. I don't like mushrooms, which is a major one. I know. I can get down with a truffle. I can't do like a mushroom. It's a childhood thing. I don't get it. Sour cream. What happened in your childhood?

Oh, the giant mushroom that attacked me. No, just meaning like it was just been like since childhood of hated mushrooms. Okay, I'm going to show you Lucy before we go and then I'll let you get on with your life. Here's Lucy. Lucy, come on. Lucy. Lucy. Hi, Lucy. Hi, Pumpkin. So she, I think I mentioned to you, she had some ear surgery. very recently, but she's doing good. That's why she has this lovely hat on. Lucy. She looks like a babushka. I know.

Or she's like from that movie, The Village or something. Say hi to Zoe. Hi, Loose, baby. Hi, my baby. That's Lucy. She's the best. Oh! Anyway, I know you're missing, Maybel. She's not with you. No, she's not a New York girl. She's, she said no to me in the, in the walk-up that I live in. Right. She said, I'm not able. But yeah, thank you for that. I needed my pit day. I told you there are like a couple pits in my neighborhood that I stock. And they this, I wish she was one of them. She's so cute. She'll make a trip just for you. Any therapy session. She's ready. Thank you, buddy. Congratulations. Everybody check out juror number two. And if you're in New York, if you're making a trip, see Our Town. It's a classic. And our buddy are legendary.

actor, Zoe Deutsch. And by the way, we got, we got Jim Parsons in there. We got Katie Holmes. It's an amazing cast. Kenny Leon kills it as a director as he always does. Make a, make a point of seeing it if you can. We did it. Love you, Josh. Thank you. Love you. All right. Have a good one. Thank you. And so ends another edition of happy, sad, confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast. person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh. The Old West is an iconic period of American history and full of legendary figures

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