Happy Sad Confused - Zosia Mamet, Claire Foy (Vol. III)

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

We've got 2 delightful chats with 2 delightful actresses for your hard eared dollar today! First up, Josh catches up with Claire Foy about A VERY BRITISH SCANDAL and her new life as a dog mom! Then, Zosia Mamet makes her first appearance on the podcast to chat THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT, GIRLS, and debate bunkbeds and tattoos with Josh. Don't forget to check out the Happy Sad Confused patreon here! We've got exclusive episodes of GAME NIGHT, video versions of the podcast, and more! For all of your media headlines remember to subscribe to The Wakeup newsletter here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. Today on Happy, Sad, Confused, two great actors, two great conversations. Claire Foy and Zasha Mamet. Hey, guys, I'm Josh Harrowitz. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. And yes, it's another episode filled to the brim with talent. I'm not talking about myself.

You can argue that to your heart's content, but you can't argue the talent. of Zasha Mamet and Claire Foy. So first up, we're going to have a little chat with Claire. It's a, it's a smaller chat than usual, but we just chatted with her. And by we, I mean me and my multiple personalities, apparently. About six months ago, she's back on the podcast, again, though, because I can't pass up an opportunity to catch up with Claire, because she's just a delight.

That sound you hear, by the way, it's not my grumbling stomach for a change. It's my, it's my Lucy. It's my beloved dog who is staring at me right now, and I will be walking momentarily. I have to tell them what's on the podcast. Okay? Okay. Oh, did you hear that? Oh, guys.

Okay, I'm going to make this quick because she's sad. She needs her walk. All right. So, where was I? Claire Foy, she is in a very British scandal. Right now, it is on Amazon Prime. It's a three-part mini-series, her and Paul Bettney, based on true events.

Suffice it to say, this is a bit of a toxic relationship that her and Paul are depicting here, but it is filled with great performances as always, and most importantly, my catch-up with Claire includes, speaking of dogs, a reveal of her dog, her first dog, at least as an adult. We tease this in the last conversation, and sure enough, she got a dog for her beloved child. So anyway, that's always a fun catch-up. Claire Foley is up first. Later on, our bigger conversation for the episode this week is with Zasha Mamet, who's somebody who, as I said to her, I feel like I know, but I didn't actually know.

Maybe I've met her on a carpet or two, but certainly never had this kind of conversation. You know we're, of course, most significantly from girls, but she's been working her entire adult life. She, of course, comes from a very talented family. Her mom, Lindsay Krause, a very talented actor, her dad, one of the great playwrights writers of our time, David Mamet. And now Zasha is starring in The Flight Attendant on HBO Max, a show I've greatly enjoyed. It's in season two right now.

Her and Kaylee Kloko. It's a bit of everything. It's a bit of action, adventure, comedy, sex, romance, thrillers. It's a good old-fashioned pot boiler. Do we call it that? I don't know. All I know is it's very entertaining. And so is Zasha.

So you'll hear in this conversation, she is a fun personality to chat with. A classy lady, as I called her. So that's all on this week's episode. Claire Foy, Zasha Man. all for the bargain price of zero dollars and zero cents um other things to mention okay i think i can say this if i can't what are they going to do fire me i am about to go out to san diego guys to host a carpet that i'm honestly so psyched to do uh red carpets can be silly and stupid and whatever and sometimes i'm like ah whatever this one i'm legit psyched for guys i'm hosting for mtv the

official live stream for Top Gun Maverick. It's going to be on an aircraft carrier. It's going to be in San Diego. It's going to be gigantic and bananas, and I can't wait. Soon enough, you guys will see me and Tom Cruise, who just always does it right when it comes to publicity. I have traveled the world for Tom Cruise. I have been to Dubai for Tom Cruise. I've been to Vienna and Paris. This man has brought me so much great travel in my life. And while San Diego is not Vienna or Paris or Dubai, this one I think is going to be special, not to jinx it. At the very least, it supports a movie. And look, yeah, I'm supporting the movie. I'm being paid to, I guess, to support the movie in a way. But I wouldn't say this if I didn't mean it. I freaking love Top Gun Maverick. I love it.

I had so much fun watching this movie, guys, and I think I'm allowed to say that now. I saw it recently. I had a grin at my face from start to finish as soon as the music started, that familiar music, the familiar opening crawl. Oh, man, hit me in all the right nostalgic areas. And I think it will play for folks that haven't seen the original. Tom's awesome in it. Glenn Powell, Miles Teller, John Hamm, Jennifer Connolly. There is some Val Kilmeridge in there.

So yes. And yes, I just used Val Kilmer as an adjective, Val Kilmerage. I don't know. So anyway, I'm really excited, as you can tell. More to come on that. I'll be spreading the good word on my social media on how to watch it. I believe it's going to be streaming on YouTube. And of course, I'm sure you'll be able to see it after the fact and clips. And believe me, if you follow me on social media, you won't be able to avoid my Top Gun Maverick adventure. So that's coming up soon. I've got some Dr. Strange excitement coming up soon. I haven't seen the film yet, but I have seen about 20 minutes of it, which looks suitably. Sam Ramey. ish and wild. I can't wait to see the finished product there and catch up with Benedict. So yeah, a lot of cool stuff coming. It's May, guys. We're getting into it. Getting into the summer movie season and all the crazy TV that just keeps on coming. Stranger Things, I should mention too. Stranger Things. Keep your eye out for some fun stuff that I'm doing for that one. Okay. That's all for now. I got to go walk my dog. Lucy's waiting for me. She's staring at me.

and I can't deny her her afternoon walk. First up, you're going to hear Claire Floyd a little bit later on. You're going to hear Zasha Mamet. It's going to go from one to the other seamlessly through the magic of editing. So I'll tease first all off later on the episode. Zasha Mamet, remember to see the flight attendant on HBO Max right now. But first up, she is one of our spirit animals. We know her.

We love her. She is always welcome here. It's Claire Floyd. Claire, are you ready for our next session? Oh, God. It's like therapy. It is. Checking in every few months.

I was going to say about every four, six months. We check in with each other to make sure any ailments, any mental or physical problems. I am not equipped to help you in any way, but if there's anything you want to get off your chest. It's just so good to have an ear, like someone who's there to listen. I care. I care. I'm here for you. I mean, you're very expensive. Yes, let's not talk about that.

Don't scare off the other guests. I was just saying, I'm very sad. I'm starting to take it personally. I feel like now it's like specifically you're trying to avoid me in person. You were in my neck of the woods in New York. And somehow it just didn't happen. And whatever, let's just get past it. I guess this is just our relationship now in Zoom boxes.

It's fine. It's okay. presume that's like my people your people because i would have loved to have seen you but i don't know this seems like a big big tv and movie star hiding behind other people saying don't let me hear that man um let's let let let's get let's get the important stuff out of the way progress report um is there is there a dog in in the life of there's a dog we're here right now you want to see her i do come here look cute look cute

he or she is looking cute oh my god what's the name thank you darling sorry I mean can I tell you her name I'm not sure seriously this is how private you are now I don't know well I don't know I mean

I don't know I don't know wow okay is it can you say gender is this little girl this is so weird that I'm not telling you with my dog. It is weird. I'm not going to obsess over. It's a little weird, isn't it? It's a little weird.

I know, but I've just, I can't, let's not get into it, but it's like, okay. I mean, I feel like maybe now I need to be more careful about what I let out there. Apparently. Well, because last, when last we spoke, you were, I wouldn't say you were debating the dog, but you were, you profess that you hated all animals and that you were finally reluctantly getting the dog for your child. So have you come around? Are you picking up the poo? Are you, seen the merits of doggy life? Yes. The first two weeks were hellish, really.

And, you know, in comparison to the amount of privilege I have and what's happening in the world, small fry. But it was, you know, biblical for me. I think I didn't realize that, like having a child, was hard work, but the love is so overwhelming that basically, you know, you can, you know, you see why you're doing it. But because I basically got the dog for my child, I suddenly hated everyone and everything, especially the dog. Yeah, it was a lot. A lot of love coming my way from the dog, a lot of, you know, neediness following me around. The whole poo and we situation

was just completely overwhelming. I've never had a dog, you see. So I'm making it sound like it's a real plot. A novelty, like you're the first person ever done. So they, I didn't know with anyone out there, half the dog. But you're through the dark part.

You're through the... Oh, yeah. Okay. Notically, it's short. You've got a dog, haven't you? I do. And I, unlike you, didn't go through... Well, there was.

She was a rescue, and she went through a humping our legs phase. she was humping pillows. It's quite nice. Yeah, I mean, in some ways, I mean, you take what you can get, right? I mean, come on. So, but she was so aggressive. She was so aggressive with my wife, especially.

Like, really? It was, it was alarming. That's the thing, isn't it? Because you basically have your setup and then you welcome something into it. Yeah. And you feel like you're somehow entitled to a positive response. Right. Right.

And you realize it's also a creature which has its own opinion and feelings and thoughts. And yeah, yeah. Well, we're all out of time for today. Thanks so much. No, just kidding. Here's the other update. You've caused strife on the podcast because last time you were here, you chose your comfort movie when Harry met Sally. We had a lovely chat about it.

And I just recently had the great actress, Elizabeth Moss, who wanted to select when Harry Met Sally, and I had to inform her that it had already been taken. And it, like, existential crisis. She had been dreaming that she had to pivot. So I'm just going to say, if you happen upon the next, you know, Emmy Globe, Oscar Shindig, and you see Elizabeth Moss eyeing you from across the room, there's baggage there. We've got previous. I can, I will apologize and say,

I'm so very sorry for that. She can have it. She can have it. Wow. I'll think of something else. No, no, no. You already have, she, she went the other way. She went to gravity.

She did a different kind of comfort movie. Wow. I'm just amazed that I'm the first person. I mean, I can't quite fathom that I'm the first person who's, who's said that. You're a groundbreakinger. Let's, let's, speaking of when Harry met Sally, we talked a lot about romantic films and romantic subject matter. And here you are with the romance of the year, a very British scandal. Oh, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So this you were talking about at the time, you're like,

oh, I love romance. I like to be in more, whatever. And then what does it say about you that you found this kind of like, screwly, that's a new word, truly screwed up relationship. Like this might be the most dysfunctional relationship I've seen depicted on screen in some time. And that's saying a lot. Yeah, well, obviously I don't know how to make myself happy, Josh. That's my problem. No, I think I love watching romantic comedies and I love a good romance. And I've been in a few, fictional ones, which have been really lovely to live in those for a bit.

But ultimately, it's the really awful stuff, the gritty stuff that, you know, you want to do. Yeah. And I would be terrible in a romantic. I'd just be awful. any romantic comedy. I would just not be able to do it at all. I'm not so much to keep it together,

but just be, you know, whimsical and, you know, lovable and, you know, like, for example, a great romantic comedy, 500 days of summer. Yeah, that's it. No, is that right?

Yeah, yeah. And it's a great one. Like, she's incredible in that. So, Auditional. So additional. You got it. I'm losing my mind. Um, the dog, um, like she's just so like, uh, I just, I mean, you could watch her forever.

Yeah. I could not. I just, that is not my wheelhouse as they say. I'm much more sad misery like torment, um, problems to solve. But I do, I see, there is this constance where even if you're doing the sad torment, you're always finding the right screen partner to kind of diffuse the situation. Again, you're just killing it. You're killing it. You got better time. Really lucked out with my with my with my guys. I know. So I got to think like the disparity between what you're depicting and what's happening as soon as cut happens is pretty significant knowing that Paul is just like a gentleman and absurd person much like all of your other co-stars we've left saddock about. It's like all male actors.

Well, absurd person element. Oh, no, he's just the best person alive. Oh, my God, yeah. And we, I think for Paul as well, I'm speaking for him. I think he was away from home. It was COVID. He had to isolate the two weeks. I think there must have been a huge amount of like,

what am I doing here? You know, and now I'm playing this sort of really terrible man with a really sort of terrible woman, you know. But really luckily, I think because it was quite a complicated thing to shoot um just for lots of like legal reasons and stuff i hadn't we done anything like that before where you know there were so many surviving relatives and like the legal side of telling a true story the things i've done which are true stories before have been based on a novel so you or like a um you know a memoir in some way so you've got that sort of backup if anyone tries to

sue you um but this was so much based on her life in their life that that there was so much moving around of the script and things like that and paul had to leave he only did six weeks i say it only um it probably felt like maternity um so in that time you both just really i think realized that we were the he was going to get make the days joyful for me basically and also like as support like i just anything that he wanted to try or was interested in or anything that i wanted to try was interested or support that we needed with like changes to the script or or anything like that. We would just had each other's back.

So, and he just makes me laugh so much. And we've got a really terrible, I've noticed this when we were doing press, like instinct for naughtiness, which is just not advisable. Oh, it is. It's like career ending. What's more difficult? I was going to say, what's more difficult to depict a laughing montage in a film or a sexy time montage in a film.

So closely related in their awfulness. Sexy time montage. It's got to take the biscuit. Yeah. Laughing is really difficult to, laughing is really difficult. Yeah. And that's that stupid.

No, no, I totally. It was really difficult to act to be genuine and also realize that, you know, I basically realized later, too late on, that my character should probably have a different laugh to me. But then I'm like, well, it's like, you know, what am I going to do now? I mean, I either laugh genuinely or I don't laugh at all. Daniel Day Lewis always does a different laugh for every character.

He always decides, no, of course he does. I bet he, no, he does. One day I will. I must have done different laughs. Why would you, that seems like a bridge too far. Like, well, that doesn't seem necessary. You don't need to actually alter, like, the cadence of a life. I think you probably do if you're an actor.

I think that's what you were supposed to do, isn't it? Alter every facet of yourself into someone else. Oh, I guess this is why I do what I do. I've let the side down. But I haven't, mercifully, I haven't played many people who laugh. It's never been necessary before. Do you get to keep, do you get to keep the portraits of yourself in, in the films? You've been in a number of projects, film and TV projects,

where there are these really ornate, beautiful portraits of Claire Foy as her character. Do you have... I imagine your home just filled with gorgeous portraits of yourself. No. I wonder about those people who do actually genuinely have portraits made of yourself. Because when I walked into the room, which a scandal, and there was a portrait of me, that this incredible artist who painted. I just felt mortified.

And also that sort of thing of like, is that what you look like? Oh, my God. Is that how someone sees me? Oh, my God. You know. And where does it end up? If not in your place, who's got it?

In a fire somewhere, I know. No, it just gets reconstituted, doesn't it? You just paint over it and put someone else on there. As I pan the camera over and you see it on my wall. That's the reveal. Where do all those people? this is why she doesn't see me in person god you yeah that would be very strange how many press doors do you have to do where you're sitting side by side where an actor is asked a thousand

questions about a marvel project you have no idea about and you don't give a shit about and you've never seen and you don't understand and you just have to sit there this is the constant in your life words in my mouth. Well, okay, maybe not to give a shit about, but you are, it's not your milieu. Why is that? Why have I not been asked? No, but I, I, I suppose it's a whole world that I'm not involved in. Many things like, you know, I don't know, motor racing is not really something that I

watch or ever, you know, it's just something that's basically passed me by as a cultural phenomenal because I wasn't paying attention. I think probably it was like a year when I had a lot on or something. And once that passed, I never quite got in. I do, and that is not to say, I, I would love to get involved. I just feel like now there's so far to go with it. It's like people who never watch Game of Thrones and they're like, there's eight series. What am I going to do? I'm like, it will fly by. I'm going to watch Wondervision. I will. I will. I should. I should. I should. I also need to see Morbius. I was going to say, how many times have you seen more?

Dr. Strange. There's a lot you see. It's too much. It's too much. At least these are films. These are not 12-hour series. These are not like... Yes.

So you've never done... You've never done the comic book media. You've never even come close to a comic book project. I can't understand that. No, of course I haven't. I told you, I don't do joyful. I do misery. I'm sure there are plenty of miserable.

That's where I sit. Is there room for misery in the Marvel universe? You have a really depressed superhero, yeah, exactly. Yeah, middle-aged woman who sits at home, hates her own dog. And then that's me, guys. Oh, my God. I don't think you, I don't think you've been on a set since we last spoke. You've been, you've been raising the child and the dog, presumably.

Are you? Yes. When did we last week? Last year. Six months ago, I would say. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, I haven't. Have I? No, I haven't.

Okay. Do you know what's, what the next, I know, I know we got the Sarah Polly film, which we discussed a little bit last time, and I assume, judging by the pedigree, that's hopefully going to be a nice fall awardsy type thing, which I'm really psyched about. But do you know the next, the next gig? No. I mean, there's lots of things that I'm, like, involved very, sorry, it's suddenly got really noisy. I think it's not good musical and outside, I apologize. That I, the first time I'm like involved with, from the very beginning, like, script-wise, before they didn't found a director, which is just such a weird concept. And, like, developing and producing and stuff like that, which is really exciting and also kind of unknown for me, because I've never really been involved that early on. I'm much more of the, like, they know when they're starting. Right. I'm, you know, like a normal kind of way things work, really. But I think, yeah, anyway, so it's, so that takes of a lot of time, but also it's really

exciting. And I don't really, I weirdly ended up working a lot of last year. And so I'm now like, I just want to, yeah, I want to know what I'm going to do next if that makes sense. Like I'm not doing it to go from job to job. I need, the next one's going to be a move. Right. Unless I get to the point.

where I've run out of all money and then it won't be a move. It will just be if someone, please help me. Well, yeah, you're betting problems. You're, you're always at the track. Yeah, the gambling. Yeah, the motor racing that I've been betting on. Act to gamble, gamble to act. That's just the cycle.

That's how she does it. That's it for me. You do have a lot on your plate. You've got, you're basically done with the publicity cycle on this, but you have a dog to name. She has got a name. I feel really weird about the no mentioning of the name thing. I love it.

It makes me so intrigued. died. Now it's fantastic. I wish I could take back my daughter's name from the class of the media, but I can't see. So now I'm going to do it with my dog. God damn it. It's okay. It's okay. It just keeps the mystery alive around Claire Floyd. It's why I keep coming back. Um, congrats. Do you want to see her again? No, please. I do. I do. Come here. Hello. Oh, it's scruff of mufflerish. It's, it's, it's, it's, if I just, if I guess it was, I'll go through every female name. it's sally it's karen it's dolly no she's so cute she's adorable i'm happy you're happy i'm happy you've come around uh to you know it sounded like it was a it was a journey it was a journey but you're good journey it was a journey of you know not being of not being massively selfishness well by the next time by the next time we speak you're going to be covered in 12 different dogs you're going to be the dog lady of london no not quite the one just the one dog for me. For life, I think, probably. This is it. Okay. Okay. Fair enough.

Thank you for checking in. Uh, you know, it's checking with the secretary on the way out, on payments. I will. And, um, and we'll make your next appointment. Okay. Great. Possibly autumn. Yeah. That would be nice. That works for me. Sure. Maybe in person this time. Don't, don't. Now, now I'm not going to. I'm over. I'm over it. Okay. Okay. Fine. Wow. Good to see you. Bye. lots of love. Thanks for having me. Of course.

Anytime. See you soon. Thank you for understanding. I've lived 46 years in New York City. I get the traffic. It's all good. Yeah. It is a very real thing. It is. But today, you know those days we were like, I wanted to not be a real thing, but it is. And you can't.

We're not in control, Zasha. We can't. Are you good with relinquishing control of your life? Sorry. Is this a therapy session? Is this, is it an intervention? What's happening here? To answer your question, honestly, I am not. I'm very bad at that. I, yes, love to try and control things that are, that I can't.

Well, and then make myself miserable about it. You are in control of the podcast. You've, you're an official welcome to the happy second fuse podcast, Sasha Mamet. Thank you so much. So pleased to be here. We haven't had the official conversation. I don't even know if we've ever.

I feel like you're the kind of person. I'm sure you get this a lot. I feel like I know you. I feel like on some chemical bloodline level, we're related. We know each other. So hopefully this conversation cements that. I hope so too. I do get that a lot.

We just talked about that on Drew Barrymore, which is why I'm late. But yes, also people who don't know. me, think they know me, but they think that I'm someone else. Like, they think we went to camp together or college or, like, we were in the same sorority. Um, and they like to fight me on it. Have you, have you perfected? They're like, I mean, you're in, you're not right. Do you go down the, uh, the IMDB resume and be like, what do I know you from? Well, maybe it was this, maybe it was that. That's just a, I'm curious the thing about that. It's, you're really playing with fire when you go

down that road. Normally, I'm just like, no, I didn't go. I wasn't in Cavanate with you or like, I didn't go to Northwestern and pledge, Sigma Phi in 2018 with you. That didn't happen. And then if they really drive at home and they're like, I know you from something. Every once in a while, I've been like, I'm an actress. And they'll be like, yes, what do I know you from? And I'm like, I don't know, like, have you seen girls? And any time I have. ever done that. They're like, no. Then I'll be like, cool. And then be like, what else? What else? And then I start listing. And literally this happened to me recently with this older woman on this road trip. My husband and I were in this random state in the middle of

nowhere. And this woman was convinced she knew me. And finally, I was just like, well, I'm an actress. She was like, yes, what do I know you from? And I started going to, I literally listed my entire resume. And she was like, I must be thinking of someone else. I was like, cool. Have a great day. This just did a wonder for my ego. Yeah, ego boost for everybody. I'm going to go cry in the bathtub now. Where is, okay, so where is home now, Zasha? Are you, do you have multiple dwellings?

Are you, where are you? That's a great, that's a great question. It's when my husband and I are currently trying to answer. We have been transient for the last, it feels like two years. We're very lucky to work during COVID, both of us. but we were in Pittsburgh for a number of months. We were in Los Angeles for a number of months. We have literally been on the road for a very long time.

Home is technically upstate New York, but we have not. We've now been there for the last couple weeks, which has been nice and are there for a little bit. But the travel begins again. And what is with, see, when I Google Zasha Mamet today, I guess, yet the first hit is that you're like living in bunk beds with Kelly Cuoco and getting tattoos and what what is the truth here what is happening that that that's correct this is the rare case where you know what they say like don't believe everything you read on the internet this one they got it right yeah no do it's accurate um it's not a bunk bed so I guess that's the one thing they got

wrong um but you figured yeah you were okay well you made that up that's cool um although if i pitched that to kaley she would be like a thousand percent although i don't know i don't know who would get top bunk are you talk yeah top bunk i would never do top bunk i would be constant constant fear of death constant fear of rolling over and dying and that's why you have the thing i i i don't know what the bunk bed technology is in 2022 when i was growing up it felt precarious are you like that aggressive a sleeper that you're like dream and like hit yourself over the boundary of a bunk bed even if there's a point zero why do i even want to play with this is a point zero two percent sleeping in the sky you're like floating i mean who doesn't want to sleep in a top bunk this podcast ends now thanks for coming by

So we're, yeah, okay. This is obviously a triggering topic for you, so we'll put that aside. We're not saying bump bets, but basically short of that, yes. I, Kaylee and I were, I mean, we became close immediately, but season one was, like, much more of a breeze than season two. And life and also just, like, logistics of shooting season two, like, it was just an intention. scenario and you trauma bonding is a very real thing and we also just doubled down on our love for each other because I brought my horse to her barn and so that's not a metaphor you literally brought a horse to her book no it is not a metaphor and what would that be a metaphor I don't know um not a metaphor

literally brought my horse to her barn and um the horse girl connection is like a very, it's very real, it's very deep. It's hard to understand if you're not in it. It's, yeah, my poor, my poor husband. He tries, tries very hard. But, yeah, so we had that. So we really just, like, we just doubled down on our best friendship. And then my husband Evan was working, so he wasn't in L.A. with me for the last, like,

three to four months of shooting. And I moved in with Kaylee. And then neither of us went to college. And we went from living at home to living alone to living with partners. So we've never had a roommate that wasn't like a husband. Right. And so, yeah, our whole cast made fun of us a lot. And they're like, you guys are basically living your college experience.

And what about the aspect, is it so is it about you need to like brand your friends? You need to mark them and make them cement their friendship with you via a tattoo. Like, what's the, do you have tattoo matching tattoos with all your best friends? Like, how does that work? Yeah, no, I force them to tattoo. Like, each one gets a number. And I'm like, you will, I went too far with that. It's fine.

It's my fault. I led you astray. If you did, indeed. Wow. That was dark. Is that, is that well thought out? Is that like a drunken night? Like, let's get tattoos or is that?

No. Well, no. I'm, um, I'm, like, definitely very laissez-faire when it comes to permanent ink on my body. I, for sure, overthinking every other decision in my life. You know, like, which brand of raisins do I get to put in a salad? I'll be in that aisle for 15 minutes. But, like, if you were like, do you want to meet up and go get a tattoo, I'd be, like, totally, let's do it.

And then I just decide, like, I don't know. We were visiting on our drive home. We road trips home from California to New York. We road trips out and then we drove back. My husband and I, and we stopped in South Carolina to see friends. And another friend of mine lives there and does stick and poke tattoos. And we all went to go get tattoos.

And I was the last one up, but she was like, what do you want? And I was like, I don't know, give me five minutes and I'll figure it out. So, yeah, I'm a little, I guess one could say reckless about that. Um, it's funny that like the most, the thing that you cannot take back, I'm like the most chill about. And, but then they're like the raisins trip me up. Um, it's not going to land you in the, in the Jewy Hall of Fame. This is not necessarily, look, I'm already, I'm not even up for nomination there like ever. That's just, I mean, I'm covered from like, if I weren't an actor, they'd be, it would be everywhere. Right. Um, no, when my dad saw my first foot tattoo, he was like,

that tattoo? And I was like, yeah, I'm just like, okay. And then I was like, it's all over. That's it. Done. Now you might as well get all tied it up. Yeah. I, but I don't know. I love them. I think, you know, I have a lot of tattoos that people are like, what's that for? And I'm like, I'm not just thought it look cool. And then I have a lot that mean a lot to me. Like, I think it's a really interesting way to commemorate an experience or a friendship. And we got, Kaylee and I had our first one together because the costume department on season one had all done Mr. Robot together. So they'd been a unit for a very long time, and they all had tattoos from that. And so at the end of season one, they were talking about all going to get white attendant tattoos.

And Kat Thomas, our season one, costume designer, had designed this really cute, like little paper airplane. And Kaylee and I were like, well, we want to come. So that was the first tattoo we had together. And then we say about our friendship that it all started with a boop because the first time we met was our chemistry read and she booped me on the nose. Like the first thing she ever did in the first scene

was like she just touched me on the nose. She was like boop and then I swatted her hand away. I'm literally saved just boop in her phone. It's all very cute and stupid and like adorable and makes everyone cringe. And we'd wanted to get this tattoo forever. And then there just was never really time. And we went through this crazy season two.

And we lived together and basically became a married couple. And then I was out in L.A. a couple weeks ago during press, living with her, obviously. And the night before I left, she was like, I have a little surprise for you. We have to be somewhere at five. And I was like, okay, cool. I'm like the easiest person in the world to surprise if you can literally get anything past me. super gullible just so I didn't I don't know I had no idea like I genuinely was like where are we going um and her cousins one of her cousins best friends is this amazing tattoo artist

and so Kaylee had scheduled a tattoo session so we finally got our boot tattoos does it literally say boop it does say boop we made sure to pick the font very specifically So there's no confusing it. Yeah, yeah. No, I got you. There was a moment where we were like, just like the tattoo chart is printed it out backwards. And we were like, oh, that could be cool.

And we had, and then we're like, no, abort mission. That's a terrible idea. Different message. Different relationship. So, yeah. So let's get some of biographical important data out of the way. Obviously, everyone's upbringing is unique, but I am fascinated by, like, how much time you spent, like, on film sets, in the theater. Is that, like, do you have a memory without that in your childhood?

It was just part of the experience of growing up? I really don't. It's the majority of my memory as a kid. um and i'm i think this i can't remember a time that i didn't want to do what i do um and i mean it's i've always said like i wonder if i grew up on a farm in the middle of the country if i mean if i still would have wanted to be an actor and there's right obviously there's no way to know unless someone events time travel and i can live a different life um maybe elan las knows um but yeah it's i have this like very vivid memory from um a very early age and it pretty

much all consists of being on movie sets and in theaters and like i used to um have this like very vivid memory of being with my mom in a theater when she was rehearsing and i would so sanitary. I would crawl underneath the theater seats and I would collect like all of the trash that I could find and gum and just like literally any anything that was available to my tiny grubby hands and I would put it in a bowl and then I would go into the green room and I would find whatever liquids were in the fridge and I would mix them all together and I called it Spoolabash soup. You know who you where that came from.

And I tried to judging her mind. And to this day, there's the legend of the gremlin of that theater that used to collect the scarlet gum. Well, then I would go up to everyone, you know, a little like four-year-old me

and I'd be like, you want to come spilabash suit? And like all of the actors or like, you know, the poor assistant director who already is like, please someone just kill me. I hate my life. having to deal with this four-year-old and being like, this is delicious.

You know, it's like milk and orange juice and like someone's unopened, you know, leftover beer from the night before and then just like gum and candy wrappers. And yeah, some of my earliest, happiest memories. And you said, this is the life for me. I want to be here. Oh, yeah. I was like, that's it.

I'm ready. Let's go. How was your child when we're going to get, your comfort movie how was your childhood taste formed like you know was it through your parents was it through friends do you have a who would you say your biggest influence was in terms of film or theater or tv or did you find it all on your own no i wasn't that resourceful didn't find it on my own everyone needs guidance josh okay except when it comes to zasha finding discarded gum in a theater well i mean it wasn't that hard like it shut

I was at the airport the other day and I dropped my bag. We were at like a, my husband was getting a beer before we got on the plane. And I went down to pick up my bat and we were in like a nice bar at the airport and it was covered with gum. And I was like, we live amongst Teethams. What is happening? Who still does that? Like this is a bar. Adult human beings only patronize this place.

Never look underneath. Never look underneath anything. That is the lesson here. accident it was an accident but still um so no uh i didn't find it all my own um it was sort of a it was a team effort but you know i spent my summers um in massachusetts staying at my grandmother's house um and my grandfather was a playwright my grandmother was like a great lover of theater and old film and she didn't have i wasn't allowed to watch tv like real tv growing up but she didn't have the tell like she didn't have cable she had a tv but you could play it's like whatever basic

cable was you know the news station and then you could play videos and she had this collection of the hs um and they were all probably pre 1960 um and that was really what i had available to me to watch So I would say that was sort of my earliest influence was just being a bored little kid and like wanting to watch television. Right. And all I had were like Carrie Grant, you know, Spencer Tracy, Audrey Hepburn movies available to me. And I fell in love with them. I mean, some of my favorite movies as a child were like Roman Holiday and the Philadelphia story. and, like, I would, she only had maybe 15 or 20 of them, so I would watch them on repeat.

Right. And I, I think that was maybe sort of the first real influential moment of something that started to mold my taste, as you say. But I fell in love with, I mean, great filmmakers and also exceptional, strong, witty, wild, female weeds you know like i grew up watching barbara stanwick and katherine hufford and lucille ball and i was like these women are awesome and i remember specifically barbara stamick i remember watching her and just being like someone who's that strong and witty and can be that grounded and also that funny at the same time i was like i want to be like that yeah um so i'd say that was sort of of my first taste. And then obviously, you know, um, my dad was a, was a huge influence on the

movies that I watched. And, um, and I was just surrounded by like, interesting, cool adults that, um, because I couldn't watch TV and everyone that I went to school with was talking about the Simpsons. And I was like, I don't get to watch the Simpsons. I'm not allowed and I have to go to bed before it's on. Like, I got to watch something. Um, and so, and I was super, like I wanted to I was very hungry for content as a child so I read a lot and I watched a lot

because you're a pro you've found a good segue into your comfort movie because when you talk about strong actresses that can be dramatic and funny and just have a unique presence I mean baby boom with Ms. Diane Keaton fits the bill

this is a movie I don't think I've seen it's so and it's funny I was looking at the map a math rather came out 87, so that means 11-year-old Josh Horowitz saw this movie. It was probably not meant for an 11-year-old boy,

but I remember enjoying it, and I need to revisit it now. Honestly, I kind of would challenge anyone to not enjoy it. Fair enough. Like, how do you not enjoy it? For those that don't know, some broad strokes,

this is from, at the time, I believe, the husband and wife team that was Charles Shire and Nancy Myers. Charles directed this one before Nancy was started her own amazing directing career. And it stars, as I recall, a kind of like quintessential businesswoman in New York City, hard driving, right, who through a tragedy has to take care of a relative's child. Yeah. Right?

She like acts that she gets a call late in the middle of the night from some, you know, it's the call we all dream to get from like the great, great uncle you didn't know. you had who's left you his billions of dollars um and her greedy boyfriend is like well obviously she's like oh my god remember so-and-so and it's a bad connection and they're like we're coming tomorrow meet us at the airport we'll have your and she's like oh my god amazing whatever he left us his estate in you know whatever the Scottish Isles um but it's just a feel it's a toddler um So she, yeah, she inherits a toddler. And she's ruthless, like, they call it the dragon lady.

You know, like she's about to be made partner at her advertising firm. She is not a mothering bone in her body. Her outfits are actual perfection. I want to own everything she wears in that movie. Yeah, she's cut from like that, as you describe it, it's like cut from that same cloth of that same era of like the like sigourney weaver character and like working girl right take no prisoners just like shoulder pads right the shoulder pads and like the camel colored coat and the big belt and just like the ease

at which they walked in those high heels i mean it's so why why this is not if i'm doing the math right this came you were not a child when this came out you came to this later so why and how did this. I wasn't born yet. I was born in 88. So I was a star in the sky when this movie came out. That sounded totally modest. I was trying to make like a stupid stork joke.

Didn't mean it like came out of that. That's a real narcissist there. The truth coming out. The truth is coming out. Did you Google me and that came out? Epic narcissist. I don't I honestly don't remember the first time that I watched baby boom but I definitely came to like those that's one of my favorite genres and eras of movies like that really well written 90 minute

rom-com that is also saying something about humanity you know like the and obviously the ones they persisted, I think, very much into the early 2000s. And I think it's sadly a genre movie that we're not making right now, which makes me so sad because I love them so much. And I think, I mean, I think Baby Boom is a perfect movie. I think it kind of, it kind of has everything. It's real and it's funny, but it's feel good. But I don't remember the first time I watched it, but I've seen it a thousand times.

And I think I just kept going back to it for all of those reasons. Like, Diane Keaton is fucking brilliant in it. She's pitch perfect. Everyone around her is amazing. I mean, young Sam Shepard. Sam Shepard as the vet, right? With her when she wakes up and she's crying to him about how she's just having his brother and her time.

She's passed out because she's had, you know, she's moved to the country to change her life to be with this baby and it's all gone to shit and her pipes have burst for the umteteen's time and she just can't take it any longer and she passes out and she wakes up in this doctor's office and she's like you know pouring her heart out to hot young sam shepherd it's like crooked toothy grin and then she hears a fucking horse nay and she's like what is that it's my next patient i mean it's so brilliant like you can't get any better than that and then obviously they follow them because they have to and they live happily ever after. And I mean, to be essentially, it's a really funny, zany, feel-good movie about the fact that

this woman is told she can't have everything and she is like, actually, that's not true. I can. It occurs to me. It's funny. As you were describing Sam Shepard, this was like the test run for Nancy Myers on like the Keanu Reeves doctor in something's got to give. Yeah, yeah, that's very true. Oh, my God, the two of them, the two of them in that movie. So, okay, I was watching that movie.

My husband was away. It was the middle of winter. I was alone in our house upstate. And then I was like, I need to watch something. I was just like, it's winter and I'm depressed and everything's horrible and it's cold outside and I'm alone. And, you know, like there's nothing in the fridge. Life sucks. And I was looking for a movie and I was like, oh my God, I came across Baby Boom.

And I was like, I'm going to watch Baby Boom. And I snuggled up with our dog Moose. And I was like, and I'm watching Baby Boom. And I paused and rewound. And I did a little video of that scene because I was like, this is one of the most brilliant scenes in movie history. Like, it's actually comedically perfect. And I posted it. And I was, like, watching my favorite movie all time, Diane Keaton is a genius.

And Diane Keaton split into my DMs. Stop it. Stop it. This is the goal. This is what it's all been building to. I will not stop because it happened. She sent me, this is all she had to send me. A single hard emoji.

One single heart emoji. and and I died and um wow I'm now coming to you from the other side Diane Keenan's social media director is really good the way that they just like divvy up out the what I yeah I felt I don't think I've ever felt so special in my life I literally was like I can I can go now like it's I mean where do you I don't know it's have you have you met her you're a fancy lady you know the big time movie stars. I'm a fancy lady. Again, when I Google you, it's a fancy lady. I'm going to tell my husband that you said that because we went to an Olivia Rodriguez concert last night because I am

unabashedly obsessed with her, although couldn't really hear her sing over the screaming of the 13-year-old girls, which I did not realize what's going to happen. And then we got there and I was like, oh, right, no, it was actually incredible. It was amazing to watch the fact she had on the crowd. But as we were getting dressed to go to this concert, which was at 8 p.m, which may as well be, like, midnight in my 90-year-old break. I was like, it starts at 8 o'clock. I got dressed, and I was wearing jeans and a hoodie and a leather jacket and my sneakers. And he was like, hey, you remember a hoodie? And I was like, yeah, I'm going to be cool.

Like, I'm like, I'm going to be cool, like the cool kids. And he was like, or you could like put on something nicer than a hoodie. And I was like, no, because I'm like, cool, babe. And we showed up and everyone was fucking turning it out. And they're like cute little Olivia Rodriguez out. And I looked like a 12-year-old boy in my hoodie. You were like Justin Bieber from like 2015, yeah. I'm Justin Bieber from like yesterday.

But yes, also 2015. But I'm going to tell him that you called me a fancy lady. You are. It's funny to say that because, yeah, I wore a hoodie the other day to an interview. And I was so self-conscious. I was interviewing, like the fans, another fancy lady, Claire Foy, and all I could think about the entire conversation is I'm wearing this like weird green hoodie trying to be a child.

So I'm glad that we share the- All right, we're waiting it together. I love Claire Foy. Oh, dear. She's the best. She's actually a fancy lady, though, because she's, she's body and fun. I don't know if you've experienced her. She's the best.

You'd love her. Body and fun? Yeah. What a vocab word. she's cut from that like you know the emma thompson cloth no i understand where you're going with it i didn't go to college but i i am aware of words you graduated from the school of hard knocks the time is flying by exhaustion we haven't even talked i mean we talked about the bunk beds

with cayley but we should give some love to your amazing show the flight attendant season two um so congratulations this is a delight this is like a delicious show it's like a delicious gift to the world. It was certainly the first season and now season two. I mean, you must be so pleased just on like a selfishly actory level. Not only do you get a best friend in Kaylee, Kelly Cloco, but like that quote unquote best friend character, as you know, can sometimes feel like there's not much to it and there's not really like enough meat on the bone. But like, you've already gone through it. You had the arc in season one and now you're like in a really interesting place in season two um it was it was definitely a special experience i mean i think

um something incredible about our second i think when you have a hit show it's so exciting because you know it's so you never know you can work your ass off on something you don't know if it's going to be good or not you hope that everyone loves it you hope it turns out well and to have everyone respond to see someone the way they did was amazing. And then we all were like, how are we going to one up ourselves? And then when we started reading the scripts, one of the things I love so much was that they really turned it up to 11 with like all of the insanity that is the thriller encasing of our show.

But I also felt like the writers dealt so deeply into the personal storylines at each of the characters. And I was like, oh, speaking of me, like, They're really giving all of us more to chew on this season. And it felt like it just opened up our show in a totally different way. And Dennis, who plays Max, my fiancé, and I got to do a lot more stuff together and a lot of stuff with Kaylee, which was so fun. So, yeah, it was a total dream. And then I'm acting with my best friend.

And every script I read, I was just like more. and more excited and um we got to take part in a lot of like the crazy action this season too um there was some running involved there was some car stuff involved there were some big punches you know yeah you're ready for a fast and furious that's that's that's that's that's that's that's where vin started um does it feel like apples and oranges too like obviously every show every gig is different i mean the the girls phenomenon i feel like you guys went through every iteration of like you were On top of the world, adulation, let's tear them down. Let's bring them back up.

Let's turn them down. You know, it was like you went through every cycle over a few years where, like, flight attendant feels like, it's just, it's just like, there's none of that baggage to it. It's like, just like enjoy it. Don't like go crazy with the think pieces, guys. Is there a bit of a relief where it doesn't have that kind of, I don't know, associated angst? I mean, you know, that's the nice thing about. being an actor is like or maybe it's just me um i sort of forget that people

watch what i do i think it's maybe a protective function it's probably for the best yeah no for your own psyche it's probably for the best you know like it's whenever i'm working on something i'm not like it never it doesn't really occur to me especially when something comes out and people are like we love the show you hope people say, you know, or they're like, hopefully not throwing tomatoes at you and the street. Do people still do that? Yeah, yeah. Anyways.

Yeah, I feel like I kind of, I've always sort of shut that off. And I don't, I don't really like to read reviews just because I feel like everyone has an opinion. And like, it's not necessarily going to help me to know. know um my dad said something new and i was very young he was like um the good ones will never be good enough and the bad ones will be the only thing that you remember saw that judy too got jettison there um but it's funny it's like um obviously i think girls was a show that was pushing boundaries a lot more but like from my experience um I just gravitate towards one of the part of projects that are fun to make and I think are telling a interesting, hopefully entertaining story.

And I steal this for my husband, but he says that he does what he does because he thinks storytelling makes people feel less alone, which I feel like edits for whatever iteration that is writing, directing, acting, whether it's through the written word or film or theater, like, whether it's escapism or it's giving people something that they feel like they can see themselves in and identify with. But it's all just, yeah, it's making people feel less alone. And so I think that's what I keep coming back to. And the way that people receive what I do is like something I kind of try and keep. I mean, obviously I want people to love it. And I want to be a part of things that people don't hate or aren't like, oh my God, how dare you?

this is offensive to me but yeah i think it's something that i definitely try to separate myself from because innately we're we're making something that anyone can watch and especially in this day and age have an opinion about and so i think if you allow yourself to internalize that then you're just like never going to leave your house makes sense and i as i said i think it's the healthiest way to No, I'll let you go on this. I'm curious and excited for you that you are writing, not one, but two books according to the trades, as they call it. That's what they call them. Fancy lady signs two book deal.

That was the headline on deadline. What's the first one about? The first one sounds like it's food related. So my ears perked up on that. You're welcome back to talk about that one. The first one is food related. It's called my first popsicle. If we can stay on track, we are hoping that it will be out this fall.

And it is a compilation of essays from a bunch of really fascinating, amazing people that I somehow convinced to write pieces for this book. And it's an anthology. The marketing team at Viking came up with an anthology about food and feelings. So basically, I hoodwinked all of these really cool people into writing essays. And I was like, write about food and emotions. And like, whatever that means to you, there is no word count, which everyone hated, go. And I got back this insanely amazing, eclectic compilation of essays all the way from someone writing about their memory of their grandmother being baking these very specific cookies to like, you know, someone's relation to, you know, someone's relation to.

food in their body, to, you know, historical things about someone's family. I mean, it's, it is so varied. It's insane. It's everything that I hope the book would be. And it just, everyone's essay, like, I kept getting them. I'd be like, this one's my favorite. No, this one's my favorite. And all of them are so, some of them are so funny. Some of them were, like, so heart-wrenching. And everybody really pulled out on a side. and went, like, very, very deep. And I would say we have about 50 essays, but half of them have recipes,

which we had to hire a recipe tester for. I was like, wow, that is a job. That is a job that someone does. That's crazy. It's a dream, yeah. She had a lot of questions, too. And I was like, okay. She's like, made them and then tried them,

and then was like, we need to change this. So that is the first book that I am super excited. about um writing and anthology is no joke uh sort of like hurting feral cats but the payoff it's very exciting um and then the second book it will be a book of um just my writing which is exciting and um you know just slightly petrifying all at the same time amazing amazing well congratulations on everything i'm glad um we found time to catch up. I'm glad the traffic waned on this crazy New York day. I'm excited that I guess the next step is we're going to get tattoos, right? Where should we go? What should we get? I don't have any

tattoos. What's my first tattoo? Oh, we'll figure it out when we get there. Yeah, you and I are cut from different. Maybe we're not related. Never mind. I take back everything I said early. How about I pick it out for you? I mean, get it in a spot where you can't see it and then you just never know what it is. Let me get back to you? Yeah, okay. Okay. like 15, like text after this. Like, I'll hang up and I'll call you back. Okay. Yeah, okay, cool.

Gotta go. Sasha, it's been a pleasure. Congratulations. Everybody should check out. Flight of time in season two on HBO Max. Woo! Thank you. Thank you for indulging my woo.

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