HardLore - 9/11 Anniversary Q&A Special

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

On this special Q&A episode, we answered questions from our viewers, and recounted our vivid, personal recollections of September 11th, 2001 on the eve of the 24th anniversary of one of the most monumental events of our lifetime.If you want to be part of the next Q&A, and submit questions for all future guests, be sure to join the HardLore Patreon and Discord.Longmont Potioncastle calls Colin: https://youtu.be/NF2l3LMpcec__________________________________Edited by Steven Grise (@iamoneonenineseven) • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf (@marzluf)HardLore: A Knotfest SeriesJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepodJoin the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef__________________________________Cool links:HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.comTry AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1._________________________________FOLLOW HARDLORE:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepodSPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrpAPPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2FOLLOW COLIN:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovngFOLLOW BO:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe__________________________________00:00:00 - Start00:01:26 - Remembering 9/1100:17:15 - Hearing A Record For the First Time Again00:20:17 - Hardest Drum Fill Intros00:22:56 - Relatable Fictional Characters00:26:22 - When Can You Claim Edge00:33:20 - What's With All These Vegans00:34:29 - Big Brother (The Show)00:37:32 - Approach to Straight Edge00:41:12 - Alien Franchise Rant00:48:33 - Missing A Show Because You're Playing A Show00:50:59 - Getting Into the Spirit of Halloween00:53:49 - One Misfits Song For The Rest Of Your Life00:55:17 - New Internal bleeding Single00:58:49 - Recording Guitar At Home01:00:27 - Pardon This Interruption01:02:10 - Bands Who Won You Over After Seeing Them live01:03:03 - Questioning Being Straight Edge?01:04:31 - Bands Who Use AI01:09:12 - Funniest Thing You've Seen Performing On Stage01:11:54 - Motivation With The Podcast01:16:19 - Taking In The Moment01:17:48 - First Question For Danzig01:18:34 - Introducing A New Vocalist01:21:11 - Gear For Gigging As A Young Teenager01:22:53 - Who Do You Do and Training01:24:47 - Favorite Riley Gale Story01:26:26 - Happiest moment of 202501:27:36 - Here Goes Nothin'01:29:48 - Artist You Just Cant Get Into01:31:08 - Band Inspired Pinball Machines01:33:26 - Favorite Non HC Releases of 202501:34:47 - Top 5 Fortnite Weapons01:35:12 - Thoughts On Matcha01:37:57 - Worst Piece Of Merch Your Bands Have Made01:44:20 - Coworker Punishment About Being In A Band01:47:26 - Straight Edge Shirts on Non Straight Edge People01:49:27 - Modern Day Big 4 of HC  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Do you feel punished by coworkers asking them if they're in a band? It's an uncomfortable conversation regardless. It doesn't matter if you are Paul Stanley taking a picture with two dorks outside of your favorite local creamery. It doesn't matter if you just put out a demo and it's your first band ever. Having that conversation is just like, yeah, I do this thing. That is what I do. Yeah, it's called God's Hate. Oh, it's called Dead Body.

It sucks. It sucks. That's why every time somebody asks, my band is called Marauder. You should check it out. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord Time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing great today, Colin. How are you? I'm doing fantastic because it's the best, it's the best time of the year. It's when we get to do our Q&A specials. These are, we do them seldomly and we enjoy them every time. They're our favorites. It's kind of quarterly, isn't it? It's like quarterly, quarterly answers. It's a quarterly report.

Yes. Check in with the people. Yes. Today is a special day. It starts on kind of a somber note because today is the 24th, anniversary of September 11th, 2001. Let me ask you something. Hit me. Where were you on September 11th? Here we go. Before I get into this, I just want to say the whole concept of this episode today was

supposed to be a like 9-11 retrospective where we got different accounts from different musicians on where they were on one of the craziest days to happen in human history. Most people said no instantaneously. Many didn't respond. So I stopped asking people. Scott Vogel said yes immediately. So I'll show you his after we tell ours. But for me, I was in elementary school at the time.

West Hartford, Connecticut is where I grew up. I was in Miss Something's class. Sure. I forget. Miss Vanney, maybe. That sounds right. Ms. Gustafson, one of them. I don't remember them.

Didn't like school. Not far from New York City, you know? No. So I was just there a couple weeks ago at some weird thing called the landmark forum, which I'm pretty sure as a cult. Some bullshit that my parents brought me to. So stupid.

But that was my time. Like, my experience in the Twin Towers was like, oh, wow, these are, yeah, these are big. Okay, now I'm in this cult thing, I guess. Oh, this sucks. Time to go. That was weeks prior. So 9-11 rolls around. This kid Cameron, who was this little

fucker, you know, absolute little shit kid. Do the thing. Walks in, does the thing, does the kid thing. He's going, Twin Towers blew up. And that was how everyone in my class, including my teacher, learned about 9-11. Do you think your teacher...

She did not believe him. Did she retell this story with the thing? Oh, had to. Had to. I guarantee you it's more vivid for her than it is for me. Yeah, right. She's probably at dinner that night, like, and then this fucking kid Cameron comes in, swinging his fists around.

Doing the thing. And nonchalantly, like, chewing. gum says the twin towers blew up. So the whole class is like, we're in fourth grade. We don't know. We're like, what does that mean? Yeah, what do you tell? And I was just there.

So I'm like, that's not possible. It's huge. I was just there. It's too big to blow up. And the teacher's pissed. You think she knows? She's like, you can't say things like that. Oh, I see.

Okay. She does not know because this is, it happens at sub 9 a.m. Yeah, it was, I saw it today was, I think the first plane hit 9 or 854. something like that, 845, something like that. So that's early. Yeah. So right before school were to start, East Coast time that day.

Right. I stay in school. I think I waited to get picked up all day. My brother got picked up. Taylor got picked up. My mom picked him up, took him to strawberries at the mall, the West Farms Mall in Connecticut,

and got him, biohazard uncivilization, and Slayer got hits us all. Which came out that day. By the way, these are two people. We wanted representatives of each of those bands, not as like a political or in-memorium thing, but just like, hey, you're pumped to put out this big new record.

Tell us about that experience. That's all. That was the idea. We will get that in long form eventually, but the short-form answer did not happen this time. But, yeah, Slayer, Biohazard, POD all had records come out that day. Numerous movies were delayed. You know, Spider-Man was like reworked. My eighth-grade field trip was to DC.

That got postponed. And then when it got rerouted, it was the same day as my first show, No Effects. It was the same weekend as the D.C. trip when it all got redone. And I told my mom, hey, I think I want to go to No Effects that she was like, no problem. Wow. Save me $1,000. Yeah, that's awesome. Overall, it was super bizarre.

I think it like maybe rained Ash in Connecticut for a while or something. It was really, like it really got there. Yeah. Changed everything. The TSA was created. That did not exist before this. That $11 fee that you pay on every flight that you've ever taken, that did not exist before this.

Shoes off. Did not exist before this. God for pre-check. Free check's the best, but 9-11's the worst. Yeah. I was in eighth grade. I'm a little older than you. I was 12.

I have a picture of myself. Here it is. The back of the picture, I don't have a picture. of, and it's framed, so I don't know if I could get it, but it's of me, my stepmom, and my dad, notice my Charlie the Tuna shirt from Coles. It's back to school shopping. We're in front of the

World Trade Center on August 11th, 2001. Morning of, I was in Miss Crestor's eighth grade class. I remember some, I think there maybe was an announcement. She turned it on. We saw the second plane hit, and we watched them all collapse. And I

was a little fucker, and all my friends were, and I remember saying the Pledge of Allegiance that day, Did you say the pledge every day? Yeah, of course. You were supposed to, right? Yeah, yeah. In fourth grade, I was pledging the fuck out of that. Yeah, straight up.

But by like sophomore year, it's like, fuck, no. I'm sitting down. I wouldn't say under God. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what did I say? That morning, I remember this. I said, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Afghanistan because I thought I was so funny.

Holy hell. Yeah. You were like, you knew then, like we're going out. No, it was before. Because remember the time difference. You know, like it was before. So we didn't know yet. Pledge was the first thing.

Well, it would have been sick. No, that's not true. It would have been six something your time. But I think middle school was like 8 a.m. And like, Yeah, but that's still 10 EST and it already happened. No, 8 a.m. is 9 EST and it would have just happened. Takes a second.

Never, no, no one's got cell phones. So we didn't know. We didn't turn on the TV. No, it happened at 7 a.m. Chicago time. Or 8. 8.54 is when the first plane hit. EST.

Which would be 7.54. School started at 8. We didn't know right away because information took, you know, time. Sure, sure. So, well, I said the pledge first. Anyway, so it happened, we watched that we had to change periods, change classes. And I remember went to Mr. Stout's class. He was the teacher who got me into history.

He was a fucking dog. He was the best. In the transfer period, like whatever that in between period is where you're going to your next class, I got out into the hallway. And I literally at the top of everyone was like, ah, hootin and hollering. Because no one really understood. I screamed at the top of my lungs. We're all going to die.

Because again, I was trying to be funny. I was in eighth grade. Dude, it took days and weeks and months to understand the severity of it all. So I got into that class and Mr. Stout, my favorite teacher. The one who made me think about being a teacher was like choked up and was like, this is really serious. And it immediately brought that down. didn't get to go home really, did go home.

And then I remember, I live right by O'Hare where I grew up. And so there's flight paths constantly. There's always plans going overhead. Silent. My mom and I went out on the yard and just looked up, silent. And the concern was Sears Tower's next thing. I mean, okay. And like, I live 30 minutes from the Sears Tower.

Like nothing's happening. But it is that my grandma worked in the building next story. It was the concern of like, okay, well, now the next tallest building in this hemisphere is 30 minutes away. Straight up. So that was scary. And then, dude, all I remember, really remember was the next, what, two weeks of nothing but CNN.

Nothing but ABC. Yeah, the French. Dude, do you remember? Very patriotic sentiment across the board. Kind of nice. I mean, it was everyone united, but like. Yeah, but then it led to which ones? But like Muslim people were persecuted for existing.

Like there was an immediately like anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that last to this day. Yeah, immediate, immediate. The blowback is ongoing. Do you remember there was like a, like a, come on New York, we're still in this concert and the Who played? And they played, we won't get fooled again. And there's just a bunch of firefighters just like, woo! Just like cut and lose for the first time in like a month, you know? So crazy.

It was awesome. But yeah. And then they're all now dead of cancer for. the toxins. Crazy toxins. Yeah. Who was... That...

I said it was... Wasn't it that like that was as bad or almost as bad as the actual toll that day? Oh, I think it was way worse. I think it's like way, way worse. And who was it... It was an Ashton Couchard. No, it was Ryan Sechrest. Didn't he like raise a bunch of money or Carson Daly?

One of them like obsessed over... Obsessed over getting those guys' money. But yeah, that was crazy, man. That was a really weird period. And then I, Colin and I pre-recorded some of this the other week. And I remember I was signing up for the draft in a couple years. By the time we invaded Afghanistan, 2003, I had to sign up for the draft. And I remember that being another like, holy shit.

This is real. This is like real. Like, probably not. But if there is a draft, I'm eligible. This is fucking nuts, you know. Yeah. I think I was too young to understand until much later. other than like the surrealness of it came from having just been there,

much like yourself. Same. I wonder if we were there even remotely at the same time, which is kind of... Probably the exact same time, because it was August 2001. That's crazy, huh? Yeah, and it's one of the only things in our lifetime, Colin, where you can say, where were you on this day and people will know? Which I think...

Every time. The previous ones were like the Kennedy assassination, stuff like that. It was as serious as it got, so... pretty heavy man and here's where scott volga was on nine 11 good morning to the hard lore world so 9-11 yes um i was myself in a really transitional phase of my life living in arizona for a few months on my way of leaving buffalo and moving to l.a just before terror started uh my man busky I was living with my friend Mark who owned a house and my man Busky was in town with Sana Sangre

and they stayed with us for a day or two. In the morning, I thought I was with him but I checked with him. That morning he left to go to the next city on their tour so it was just me and Mark. And I'm not really sure. I definitely did not have a cell phone or internet or email. I mean those things existed but not like they do now

so it wasn't really something I needed at the time. I gotta assume probably just saw on the news or maybe went to a store and someone mentioned something. But yeah, I think one thing to mention is like the full gravity of something like that wasn't immediate. And you kind of really had to piece things together and get that information and be like, wow, this world's fucking crazy.

but also 9-11 is my mom's birthday and the death of rabies and of course what we're talking about here so pretty fucking intense day wow unbelievable probably in New York probably I already watched it but yeah he outstanding

so that was that was our 9-11 retrospective could have done two full hours of that you know easily yeah yeah maybe next year when it's not on a Thursday Thanks, everybody. We're going to fire up some. Wait, you know, let me ask you something. Speaking of when we were kids, you know,

is there anything that you can think of that confused you deeply as a child that you grew up to realize was stupid, but also like it's not that stupid? Oh, give me what you're thinking. I'll give you an example. Something that clicked with me, not recently, but like I used plant nurseries were very confusing to me as a child. So?

It's like, why is it called a nursery? That's where babies go. Why do plants get those two? Speaking of plants, dry cleaners, plant on premise. I thought that meant they got plants in there. And if you're allergic to plants, you shouldn't go in. Whoa. Yeah.

I was, I mean, to me, I was like, that's got to be it. There's no way it means anything else. I was afraid of one-way streets. I thought it meant like you were going to get into a car accident. I thought it was just like, hey, we're going this way, but we got to go. I can't. It's a one-way. Like, I thought it.

it just meant, you know, we're talking child. Yeah. I thought the phrase was throw cauch into the wind. I thought cawish was a thing. I didn't know it was caution to the wind. So that got- You just got to throw cawish in there. Yeah.

That's what I literally-cahs in that bitch. I thought gosh was another thing. Yeah, I remember that. Oh, and I also remember thinking, okay, so for my 10th birthday, which would have been 1997, my dad, for my 10th birthday, got me a bank account. That was my birthday present. It's the same checking account I have to this day,

which is not, I mean, not the worst gift. To be grandfathered into something with probably zero fees is nice. Yeah, and I am. So that's cool. Same. But I remember I went that night. I went to a Bulls game at the United Center. I saw Jordan play and they lost,

which it was the 72 and 10 year. So I saw one of the 10 where they lost, which is crazy. And I told my friend who I was with, I got a debit card today. I have a bank account. And you didn't believe me. So I went to the ATM and I withdrew. You could only do a 20. And it was like a $6 fee.

I had $25 in. So I immediately put this account into the negative. And my dad was keeping an eye on it, obviously. So like the following week, he was like, what did you do? And I got into trouble. And I remember thinking they should do a card where you can like put charges on it and then you pay it back at the end of the month. So I invented credit.

You invented credit cards in your mind? As a 10 year old. I invented Postmates as like a 16 year old. That's genius. I know. Yeah, why wouldn't... Thanks. Thank you.

Why wouldn't the pizza man also deliver anything else? That's the thing. I'm thinking, like, what if I don't... What if a place I want that doesn't have a delivery driver will deliver to me? I invented being the biggest piece of shit in the planet. Which all of us active delivery service users are, but we're also... So, you know, supporting gig workers and the local economy. Did you ever do that?

Did you ever work one of the apps? Not the apps, but I was an actual pizza delivery driver. Right, right. In 2018, I did Postmates and DoorDash. In our days. I think in its prime, I never had a car decent enough to do that. Yeah. Like at that time, you know.

Yeah. I borrowed a car. I worked an eight-hour day and made like a hundred. bucks. You know what I mean? Just brutal. Dude, when Uber launched, it was like a crazy career. Yeah, like you're fine. You made $80,000 a year if you did it for real.

Crazy. All right, let's get into some Patreon questions here. Now, keep in mind, these are Patreon questions. So if you have a question you want to ask, you should probably sign up for the Patreon. They're first from the Patreon, then we got some from the Discord, but we prioritized the Patreon always. So if you got something good to ask, we're going to do this again at the end of this year, get on the Patreon and this could be you. This is also how we have questions for guests

who come on and all that good stuff. Seriously. Exclusive episodes, etc. Joshua King asks, if you could go back in time and listen to a record or two again for the first time, which record would it be? And I think this is an interesting question because very few things immediately

blow my mind. Big time for you. Big time for me. You're a grower. Big time. But I think a couple things that, like even Master Killer, first time I heard it, I was like, this is good metallic hardcore. Sure. I like this.

A couple of things that I vividly remember having my cheeks sucked into my hole. Yeah. They were so good. Yeah. Oh. What do you remember doing with that? Warning, watching from a distance. Okay.

Into another, ignore us. Wow. Wow. Coheed and Keeping Secrets. three. Somehow these all make sense. The first times were just like out of body experiences. Wow.

And then watching Pink Floyd the wall. Okay. I accept that. That was like jaw gaping the whole time. Let me ask you this. So you're doing it as you're going back at time and you're going to be this age that you were at that time. As opposed to you, your age now going back in time and just hearing.

No, no, no. That's okay. I would, that may me back in time going back in time now, I would want to experience video games again for the first time. I would want to beat people up. I would want to experience movies again for the first time. But music, I think, the time and place

is so important to how you experience them. Okay. Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy. When I heard over the hills and far away, when I first heard that, it was the first real brain worm I ever had, where I could not get that out of my head

for months. To the day if I pick up an acoustic guitar, that's what I play. That's what you're fine. That's the riff. It's a good answer. Yeah, that would be one. Fall children, the riff, fall children. That's, that's easily one where I remember sitting on and being like, this sounds scary. This is scary. I like this. So they were a one taker for you? All hollows was, for sure. Man, because I, 99% of conversations I have with you. Yeah. It's got to grow on you. Well, this is why I'm, I'm kind of scraping the barrel here.

You know, I'm going, Led Zeppelin. I'm going like some of my biggest. I want one more. I wonder if this counts. I had known, and obviously you heard Metallica my whole life, but one day I was driving in my first car, it was storming out, and the local, like the local K-Rock was playing all of Master of Puppets, the song, and it got to the, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

While it's like storming out, but it's like a summer drive. And I just, I heard that, and it just connected with. me in that moment. I'm sure I had heard that riff before. But not in that way. Not in that way. And that was what made, that was part of the reason in high school I got way back into Metallica and that lasted to the day, you know, for sure. Great answer. Great answer. Bryce Reed asks top top, top, top, top, top, top, top, topest, topest, topest, topest, topest, topest, topest, top-thest drum-fill intros of all time. King Diamond, Welcome Home, Cromag's Age of Quarrel. And death, scavenger of human sorrow.

Unplayable. You're going to love this one. I love it. Killing time, telltale. Just one. Dude, it's perfect. And if you really listen to it, it sounds sound replaced. It sounds like really compressed and crazy.

Gah! Take by force. Come on. Give me a, is that a roll through? Just give me like a straight. Unbelievable. I'll say Cromag's death camps. What we learned was the only time a drummer was credited writing on a Cromack song.

Was that part? How about that? Yeah. It's very interesting. Let's see. Giles Corey asked. Giles Corey is the guy who was crushed to death in Salem. He asked, where did Colin learn to spin kick so well? Did he have any martial arts or athletic background growing up?

or is it just an antly part of his being? Just an antly part of my being for one. But you've got to understand. I'm doing this a long time. Yeah. Practice makes perfect. So just don't stop. You know, I've thrown like four spin kicks in my life in a pit,

and one of them was for sure at the killer first LP record release. And you stopped, you know, and that's maybe why the height ain't there. Probably the last one. So just don't stop. It's not about learning way, or when I did, it just, it happens from repeat process, 100 demons. You know, what?

I was going to say something. That clip of you guys playing the carry-on song, it's not in fear. Those of us who are moshing on stage, no one's throwing spin kicks. No, that's not that type of moment. But we're all also the same age, and I also can't see any of the people who are on stage at that moment throwing a spin kick. I don't think it's a spin kick song. I think there's a different, like, you can't be spin kick into youth crew. But that's my, that is my point.

So because I came up so much through that side of hardcore, you know, it's just kind of, it's just, yeah, you're not going to throw a spin kick to youth today. It's different. And that's not what it's for. It's not why the spin kick exists, you know? Yeah, it's not to be weaponized in the wrong hands at the wrong time. Jake English asked, what fictional character do you relate to the most? I would say if I'm in a movie theater, it's Batman.

I'm vengeful. I'm watchful. I'm protective. Outside of a movie theater, probably Dr. Manhattan. Have you had another movie theater experience recently? All of them. Every single time I'm there. Somebody's doing something.

I'll tell you, a movie theater experience I had the other day. You went to see the 50th anniversary of Jaws and took a picture of the title card on your phone. And then you lied to me. And then you said, it's an empty theater. It's just me and my mom and Taylor. And I could see in the picture there's 90 people in front of you. There were not 90 people.

Everyone was grouped in one spot. We were in the last row. But the end then was I posted it. That's what you really didn't. And then you posted it. And I couldn't. I, it felt like you shot me in the head. It felt like utter betrayal, though.

It was just the title card. It happened in the first five seconds. You know, but that's, how many, Do I have to have the NITS conversation with you again? Yeah, NITS is a unit of measurement for brightness. Oh, I see. The movie theater screen, 50 Nits. Yeah.

The iPhone screen at minimum brightness. 200 Nits. So what if no one's behind? Approximately. I'm behind you at all time. Think about that. It feels like it. I'm right here.

Yeah. Yes. I should be right here. I guess I'm not. Yeah. I did saw Jaws and IMAX. Taylor saw it for the first time. Took my mom.

Isn't it unbelievable? unbelievable, man. What a movie. It's so funny how Spielberg has such like, and John Williams. That is such a John Williams driven movie. And, and to like, to a fault sometimes. Sometimes, yeah. Like some of the stuff where he's got the barrels in the end is like, why is this so whimsical? It's horrifying. It's beautiful. Right. Yeah. It's not supposed to be. But I think it wants, they want to give you that feeling of, we got him. There is, we got him. And then, and then he can't go down with three barrels. He goes down with three barrels. Not with three Barrels. Yes, with three barrels.

So when we moved to California, our dad's friend owned a home in Van Nuys where I still currently live. That home was originally owned throughout her whole life by Verna Fields, a woman who she was a long time, very famous Oscar-winning editor. Edited Jaws, won an Oscar for film editing for Jaws. My

mine and Taylor's shared bedroom was the pool house where Jaws was edited. So there's some lore. 8-1-8, Jaws. Pretty unbelievable. Let me think. Who do I...

Jaws? I resonate with Bruce the Shark. I resonate with... I do resonate with... Anchorman. What's his name? Not Wilf. Rick? No, no.

No. No. The... What's Will Ferrell's character's name? Ron Burgundy when he's in the telephone box. That's how I'm feeling. That's you? That's me right now.

Yeah, it's me, too. Agony. Pain. Glass case of emotion, straight out. Okay. That's your lens, the glass case. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Janky Lorimer asks.

Come on, Jankey. How long do you need to be sober before you claim straight edge? This is not how this works. don't matter, dude. It's not how any of this works. Do it for you. It's personal. For you or don't do it at all. Exactly. If you're not now, you will be soon. And the last reason you should do it for is because of what anyone else says. 100%. Mount Rushmore tracks for a Halloween playlist.

Great question. And look, it's very simple. Okay. Many people think misfits. Many people think A-Fi, you know, spooky stuff, necromanics. Typo. Type-o. There's one single answer for the greatest Halloween song in history. It's the Monster Match. It's the Monster Match. It's a great match.

It supersedes all. Dracula and his son are on their way. And you want me to play something else? Yeah. What's Dracula's son? You know? He's Dracula's son. Wolfman, Dracula, and his son.

That's the fucking list. That's done. we're at. Guys night in. Okay. Like Mount Rock, I mean, let's do unconventional and only one of each band.

I'll say Halloween 2. Oh. That's a sick song. We have an appreciation for that song. It's such a good song. What is he saying? Like formulae, like anthropology.

It's Latin. Some Latin bullshit. That's awesome. This sounds pretty cool, man. Yeah. And then the taped ending of Halloween one coming back is. So.

I could explode right here. All Hallows Eve, typo. Great. Haunted Cat House, Necromantic. Who killed the cheerleader? Oh, God, an unbelievable song. So good. But no, haunted Cat House has got to be the one.

And then, like, let's do like a Mulcat Doma, that Belarusian band. Every one of their songs on Monument could fit into some Halloween shit. Tripticon. There's the third song on the Shatter EP. that's like crucifixia or something, that's just like, ah,

ah, the whole time. How about that one? That's a good one. And, something spooky. London after midnight sacrifice, dude.

Oh. That's the greatest song of all time. Oh, good pick. Benji Walker asks, you've both spoken about depressions and lows. And for me, when stuff gets dark,

I can't help but listen to super sad music. Any recommendations on uplifting music? Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack. That's all I got. I don't really listen to music to get uplifted. I'm going to be honest with you. No, if I'm feeling good, I'll put something on that feels good. But I'm not like, I need to get happy.

Let's put some grease on. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm emotionally needing music, it's going to be anger or sadness for sure. But if I'm feeling good. Put some ABBA. I'll put on that cross-specific. Nassh record I always talk about.

That's just a feel-good record. Elvis. Chouse. Just something that's homey and comfortable. That's probably the most content music is something that whatever you can listen to while you're like doing dishes or cooking dinner, you know? Honestly, first three Oasis records.

Their whole mentality, they don't fuck with sad music because they're like, there's no point in making our audience feel this way. Tell you something. I'm going in a few days. I know. Well, you have gone. And you had a great time.

Here it was. Unbelievable. So I saw 9-inch nails a couple weeks ago. It's the greatest show I've ever seen. The greatest production I've ever seen in my life. I cannot. I cannot believe how good it was. The Cube.

The Cube, man. Two of them. It looked like Dune. It was awesome. Isn't it crazy what band's got to do now? Like they're innovators. Obviously, they were going to do the Cube either way. Yes, correct.

But like, concert tickets are a thing. thousand dollars because people can't just watch a band play i paid 23 books you're i mean that's different is that was that the retail price uh it stub up ga sub hub no i was so that i was way the fuck up but it that's not saying what was g a yeah uh yeah like like a few hundred it was day off you know what i mean but it's but the next thing is no bad seat in that house because of how they did it because the cube is in the round so it doesn't matter the cube's gonna cube it that i mean it looks unbelievable You have to go. You have to go.

I don't know when it's in LA. I got to find it. It's coming up. But then a few, a week or two later, went and saw a band called Oasis in Soldier Field. We bit the bullet. We got tickets in the very first section right up front. It was probably the most enjoyable GA concert experience I've ever had. I can't imagine anything being better than that.

Wow. I mean, I can't wait. It was amazing. I just saw acid bath at the Palladium. Yeah. Dude. I described it as one of the greatest musical miracles in history. Right, because they're kind of having a renaissance too.

It's not a renaissance. No. I mean, it's beyond a renaissance. Oh, it's a rebirth. Resurrection. They were like deep cut sludge, you know? Like bottom of the, not bottom of the barrel, because they're incredible. They've been incredible this whole time.

But in terms of popularity, like, I figured they would have been supporting. I hate God, you know? Like way under Exorder even, modern day. And now they are the biggest of any of those bands. Where are they from? New Orleans.

They are? Wow. I didn't know that. Sam and duet, rocking the guitar. Something in the water, dude. Dude, I mean, yeah. Oh.

It was unbelievable. They sound perfect. Set list is kind of weird because it's like a lot of the second record. But my God. Like just a true miracle Like 8,000 tickets across two shows in L.A. Acid back.

Like Crowbar's not come close to that. And that's the best band of all time. Right, right. Wow. But they're on their way, I guess. I mean, this whole tour is like sold out. The TikTok youth have found Crowbar. Thank God.

It's sometimes, man, they're right. And I love that they're fiending for heavy distorted guitars and beautiful ballads. It's a miracle. It's outstanding. Great for them. Very happy for them. Acid bath. What was the question?

Something about depression. Oh, yeah. Put on acid bath. Listen to crowbar. Terrible username asked. Excuse me if this has been asked before or is public knowledge, but how is it that so many people in hardcore or vegan? FYI, I'm pretty new to hardcore, so pardon me.

It's not a stupid question. I think it's fair. Yeah. But I think Davey in our upcoming episode has a really good viewpoint on this. You're absolutely right. So I would look out for that. Look out for that. It's not our place to say.

Right. But I do like Earth crisis, huge reason why many are vegan. The 90s, everybody, early 90s, everybody was vegan straight as much because it was cool. And some people stayed. Some people didn't. But being hardcore exists as an opposition to the mainstream. To the norm. Yeah.

And the norm is burgers, steaks, drugs, alcohol. Even as plant-based as today can be as a normal person, it's still, you can't really go to, you can't go to most fast food places and get yourself a full meal, you know, so it's still. It's still hard. But yes, good, good. I think you're absolutely right. Davey had a, uh, Davey had a perspective that made Colin and I both feel bad. Yeah, we were like, fuck. Fuck.

Dylan Reed asked Colin, do you still watch Big Brother or do you not have interest after working on it? I never watched it before working on it. I would say working on it would make me more inclined to watch it, but I don't have time for how often it airs. It airs three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Sunday. Wait, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday? I don't know. I think three times a week and there's a 24-hour live feed.

I don't have time to keep up for all that. I won the competitions every time, so as a former Big Brother winner, I really don't need to be watching it anyway. Great show. Yeah, both if you could rank the eras, slash decades of hardcore punk, how would you rank them? Oh, interesting.

I would go 2,000's. But let's figure out the, let's figure out the, because I think there's pre-80s, early 80s, late 80s, early 90s, late 90s. I would say let's go pre-80s, 80s together as one, you know?

But early 80s SSD is so different than like 89. Yeah, but that's one beautiful decade of things, whereas the 2000s are started pretty good. ended obisimally. Okay. Then yes. Early 2000's pretty far down. Bottom.

Bottom. Probably then. 2010. Or maybe 2020's maybe. No, I think 2020's been pretty good. Yeah, COVID stunk, but we're not even done yet. So there's five whole years left to account for, but I already know it's better than 2000.

But think about the heights that so many bands have gotten to since then. I know, but it's hard. It's half over. And half of it sucked. Okay. You know, that's my reason. So a quarter of a decade is good. Yes.

I got you. So I would go 2020s, 2010s. Yes. 90s, 80s, 80s? Yeah, yeah. 80s and 90s are pretty interchangeable for us. I think we like so much of both. We really do.

But that you don't get the 90s without the 80s, and I think that's so important. Choosing between 80s and 90s is tough. I think I would probably go 80s. Yeah, I think, There's some You get everything I think you have

We like old shit So 80s We like old shit But the old shit Yeah This is This is hardcore This is the only

This is the genre Where the roots matter Let me ask you What does that look like to you? Nothing Like a little It's like a big freckle or something I've had it since after Sound Infuri

Do I got skin cancer? You think that looks If any of the dermatologist watching Does that look good? Does that look all right? Oh I see That thing? I see that

You should probably go to a doctor. You think so? I might have someone look at it. That doesn't look bad. What is it? I mean, it could be a freckle. You're a, you just found out you're Irish. Oyvers.

Can you get new freckles? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Your whole life. You can get new moles, skin tags. Yeah. So we'll call it, we'll call it a new freckle. All right. I'm fine.

One big new freckle. Tate asks, in terms of straight-edge hardcore, do you prefer the positive? Hear my voice come back to the light approach of a band like Magnitude or the more aggressive Keep Smoking. I want you to die, approach of a band like no cure.

I think there's a great place for balance of both. Why are you making me choose between vanilla ice cream and chocolate ice cream? I love ice cream. You can swirl them. I'm swirl them up. It's all good. I want some people to hear my voice and come back to the light. I want some people to die.

I love Youth Today is my favorite one. And they have, towards the end, they got very time to forgive and very, like, soft. So I prefer the earlier, more angry stuff. But it was still like, hey, you don't need that because you can come with us. And it was like, there was an aggressive, like, no, no, no. Our way is the way. And I like that, which is kind of a mix. So that would be my mind.

I agree. Mount Rushmore to get someone into straight edge. Youth today. Yeah, yeah. Break down the walls. destroy the machines. Yeah. Fast times, Jersey Shore.

Yes, and lifeless plague, honestly. And lifeless plague. Even though a lot of that is about... But I like the spectrum. I enjoy that. Yeah, I agree. Easy. Yeah, that's great.

Current T-shirt Grails. I just got an Allison chain shirt that I just cut up and got to wash them. So that... I've been wanting... So the rooster shirt... Well, like, the... the my way.

Yeah. I want a rooster shirt. I need a rooster shirt. They're like 800. Yeah, yeah, they're fine. Crazy. I'm still looking for a suede animal nitrate tea, if anybody's got one for me.

And then I want a down but not out, 89 shirt. I don't have one. I don't think they'll ever fit me, realistically. What's that Chromex shirt that you and I both have with the neon green one? Yeah.

That's a alpha-a-o-mega. Doesn't it say down-but-not out on the back? It's the 10-year circle thing. It's like a 10-year anniversary of the band. You're right. You're right. It's a sick shirt though. You know, Baker found a down-by-not-out hoodie in Kuala Lumpur with us, $10.

Just at the distro. Even if that's fake, that's sick as stuff. Yes, 100%. 100%. Vintage parking lot bootlegs as cool as real shit. That is my favorite. thing. And what's so funny is when I walk past the dudes

selling shit at Oasis or outside of the MyCEM show, I look at the boots, I'm like, you fucking scumbag. Yeah. Piece of shit. And then once they're old, dude, there was an acid bathroom where I was like, I might need this. It's so cool.

But I hate it now. But I have several Metallica. Dude, knowing how dark that industry is, is crazy. Explain. Because a lot of the time, they'll contact the printers and just get shit, printed directly from the printers.

So it's literally the same. Sometimes it's a straight up inside job. They're just undercutting. Sometimes. I mean, I'm sure that's rare. And like, you can threaten those dudes and you'll get swarmed and fucked up.

Wow. They'll get you. Let me tell you something they don't have. They don't got the fucking Oasis, Adidas, Polo jersey. Holy shit. That's some of the nicest merch I've ever seen.

It's unbelievable. I got the pants. They're unbelievable. You got them? Did you go to the pop-up? Yeah. They're unbelievable. It's crazy.

It's crazy. It's a great time to be here. Colin and Bo, if you had to start a band with concept albums based on a film series, what film series would you use? Let me tell you what. I am upset. I'm re-obsessed with Alien right now. Oh, nice. I'm so alien-pilled.

It's unbelievable. From the show and then like Lana's loving the show. So I'm going back and showing her all the movies. And like rewatching Alien and Aliens was like, like Alien is the best sci-fi movie, period. Yes. It's perfect. Even the long shots of dread where nothing happens are so intentional and beautiful.

And the buttons, the bleep bloops are just so satisfying. And then Aliens is God to your action. It's a whole other, whole other thing. Three is dog shit. Yeah. How do you feel about three and beyond? Three is crap. And nobody hates it more than David Fincher, so I feel confident in saying that it's crap.

And even James Cameron has said it's beautifully shot. What the fuck are they thinking? Because like taking away everything, everything you've come to love about aliens is gone immediately. Yeah. It's bizarre. The premise is interesting. Ripley in an all-male prison, all-male, like, religious fanatic prison, good concept. There's another way to do that, and maybe it's not Alien 3.

That could have been 5, you know? Yeah, or 4. Resurrection, I think, is a much better movie than 3. What's the one that starts with, like, the scientist eating a fly? It's like the first shot, it's either resurrection or 4. It's got to be resurrection because that's when they're cloning her. That's right. And it's when I think it's a better sci-fi movie.

It's more fun. It's more whimsical. It's the director of Amelie, which is one of my favorite movies. Is four in resurrection? Are they the same? Yes, that's four. Four is resurrection?

Yes. Okay. And then is that the last one? Well, before, I mean, there's Alien versus Predator. And then I think there's Requiem? I don't know if I'm making that. Yeah, APP Requiem, right?

Is that another thing? Well, is resurrection the last one with Ripley? Yes. Okay. And then Prometheus is... The best. Fucking movie. It's the second best alien

movie. It's alien Prometheus Freed up. Straight up. I'm so glad we agree on that. Oh, it's unbelievable. And then Covenant, I don't hate.

I think it's good. We watched it the other night at your place. I didn't love it. You didn't hate it. I didn't hate it. I did not hate it, but I didn't love it.

It's another bizarre, like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? Why would you do that? Yeah. And it's because, again, the studio interfered and pushed back

against what we saw in Prometheus. But what would have happened in the third one sounds awesome. David and the Xenomorce versus the remaining engineers that were the last space jockey crash lands on the original planet from alien, that would have been fucking incredible. And it's so neat and done. So neat. Where do you stand with Romulus? I don't hate it.

I think there's a lot of good ideas. I really don't understand the purpose of doing the CGI ash. I know he has a different name in this. But Ian Shane is. that his name, Ian something? Ian something. It establishes that that was a common synth face at the time. Therefore, it's like, were the Nistramo people stupid for not recognizing this as a synthetic?

Exactly. Or did they send this synthetic on multiple missions at the same time for the first time? I think it just muddies up the whole vibe because the only Android we've seen repeat was Bishop. Right. And it's only because that second one in three was allegedly not an Android. Right. It was Charles Bishop Whelan, an ancestor of the Wayland family. Wow, you're right.

Don't get me started on this. That is such a deeply fucking terrible idea that I could not enjoy the movie. But I think there's so much cool stuff. The slow-mo and zero-g scene was incredible. That's awesome. That was cool. The face-huggers going slow. I liked all that.

They were obviously very practical, which I loved. The crazy humanoid guy at the end, just staring, you know? Yeah, he's great. He's awesome. The brother guy, the brother character is fantastic. I really liked it all. I thought that, the baby, the big baby, xenomorph, is one of the best monsters of the series. Damn, we're 10 minutes on Alien.

This is a great episode. I'm loving this. Have you played Alien isolation? Yes. I'm about to replay it. I have to replay. Yeah, you do. Because that dude, that's another thing.

I've been reading so much alien stuff. Okay. We got to do the alien band. I'm in on the alien band. It's on. For aliens, Sigourney at the premiere saw that they cut a scene where Dr. Burke explains to her that her daughter

passed away from cancer in her 70s. Because she was in cry all. Because she was gone. So we find out not only that she had this daughter, but she lived a very long life and died. Yes. And that's why she clings to Newt like that and is this motherly figure to her right away.

Alien Ice and so she's pissed. So that's why every special edition, deluxe edition after director's cut and stuff, has that scene in it. Because Sigourney at the premiere was like, are you fucking insane? Why would you cut this? This is the whole motivation for this whole arc with Newt.

Alien Isolation is your her daughter. in the game. That's right. Really cool. And then there's the bonus where you're on the Nostromo. Yes. That is like 20 minutes,

but it's awesome. But it's awesome, dude. Yeah. All right. Next question. Run the Jewels asked, who are your favorite wrestlers right now? You can say Brody King.

It's obviously Brody King. Brody King is like not even de facto our favorite. He just is the best wrestler. He's earned it. He's earned it. He's the coolest guy. If I heard him, heard of Brody King when I was a team.

Yes. I would like wrestling. Yes. I would be like, holy shit, a guy is there for me. Brodita, Bandito as a teammate for him is the perfect. It's awesome. His bandito's goaded. Yeah.

He was on all. He was the best part of All In, which was the inception of AEW. So he's been there in spirit the whole time. It's unbelievable. As far as, I mean, I'm a Tony Storm head. I'm a Mercedes Monet head. I'm a big Willow Nightingale head. Big Jamie Haterhead.

I want her. Big Jamie Haderhead. Big haters over here. Yeah. I love I'm digging. Darby's whole thing is insane right now and it's really fun to watch. Mr. Everest. It's crazy.

Sick, fuck. So I'm really enjoying him. As far as, how about WWE? You got anybody who you enjoy? No. Other than our good friend Mr. Punk. The goat, the forever goat. Yeah, punk and, yeah.

Punk is forever goat. I think is. Yeah. Oh, Braun Breaker. He rocks. Nothing? I got nothing. I'm a punk guy. Yeah, I'm a punk guy. Is there any particular show slash tour package you remember having to miss because of a show of your own? Great question.

Oh, wow. I feel this is that there's, okay, so this is actually, this is kind of out of left field. I missed the Longmont Potion Castle movie, uh, Q&A thing. Uh-huh. Longmont Posion Castle for our listeners. Yeah, nobody is... Is a, like, journeyman prank caller. He's, like, one of the greatest, most prolific prank callers in history.

He has many, multiple albums. This is feel-good music. The Longmont discography, if you want to laugh and feel good, you throw on some Longmont. This is probably the most played thing in the history of any of our vans on tour, Longmont. You exposed us too. Yes. We have assimilated.

Twitching exposed harm's way to it. And to the Longmark community. But Taylor, Brody King, and Wildcat all went to the Longmont Potion Castle event. And at this event, I was sick as a dog. I couldn't go. In the event, he wasn't there, but he was because he's anonymous. Nobody knows who he is. But he was taking calls.

He was like, okay, do you guys want Longmont to call? And Brody King burles up. the front, pushes his way, scratches and claws, gives them my number. And he called me. That is fucking awesome. I have the call. I don't know that it's too long to put on here, but I'll send it to you. Yeah.

If you wanted, it's in the description below. For those, anybody who's curious, just look up Longmont, Potion Castle, Clown Motel. Clown Motel is a great starter. That's the starter. And that'll just get you home. And he's like a metal guy. Like some of the pranks, there's just him ripping dive bombs. while people are like, hello?

And it's unbelievable. I had to miss Bjork the last time she played Chicago because we were in Europe. It was like 2010. It was the first time we went to Europe. So I had to choose between going to Europe for the first time with my band and seeing Bjork.

Obviously, I'm going to go to Europe. But I'm thinking to myself, she'll be back. Come on. That's devastating. I'm very sorry. It's okay. Got to get you to ice. We got to go to Iceland.

For both, do you have any, inaugural Halloween traditions slash activities that you do to get into the spirit each year? When does Halloween officially begin in your lives? September 1st. Yeah, I mean, truly, I'm fully ready for all things

season. Yep. Yeah. Oh, nice. I always watch Halloween on Halloween. That is like an actual thing. It's like sit down like, b'n. Yeah. Dude, you know what's so funny is how

This is not the same thing But speaking of music, the Exorcist Yeah The song is so scary Until the sexiest bass you've ever heard Oh, dude, yeah Dude, the song is horrifying And then the guy comes in like

Do do do do do do do do do do do It's gorgeous Interesting The club It's so sexy So you watch Halloween on Halloween I watch Halloween on Halloween. If I'm able to, I'm going to be in Japan.

Worst places to be. On Halloween? Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to be there. I mean, that seems pretty cool. Worst places to be. Yeah. But if I, if I can, I'm also, I'm a big, I think carving a pumpkin, carving a jack-o-lantern is like a tradition I won't.

I refuse to let go. Oh, man, I've missed it like three years in a row. It's killing. It's stuck in me dry. It's very important to me. I think it's awesome. I'm going to do it this year. Yeah, it's important.

I think you should. You do an awesome thing. You have your calendar of movies. Oh, yeah, I haven't done that this year yet. But normally I make an actual calendar for my wife and I of like, the showings. Like a movie theater of like, here's the day. Here's what movies we're watching.

We'll do like group screening, like fun family stuff, you know, earnest into hocus pocus or some shit. Sure. You know? But yeah, I like to just have like a big list of stuff to go. off immediately. Yeah, a couple years ago, we watched, we watched The Thing. We watched We'rewolf. American Whirlpool from London. And what's the Vince Vaughn killer movie? Freaky. Freaky. We watched that. Banger. That was awesome. Great movie. But I loved,

I love traditions like that. It's also kind of the start of traditions because it's like, you know, I'm sure for you, you have your birthday soon. Yeah. Then it's Halloween. Then it's my birthday and then it's Christmas and then it's new year. So it's like the start of all that stuff. Fast, dude. Yeah. It's the, the good time of the year has just begun. Just started. January 1st to August 30th. Kill me. Absolute dog shit. So, so welcome to the good shit, everybody. This September 11th. You're in. Yeah. Sorry, oops. You're only, if you could pick one Misfit song to listen to for the rest of your life, what would it be? Mine would be one song. Hybrid Moments is the best song.

But sometimes like Night of the Living Dad or Gools Night Out, those really get me. This is a Goose Night Out. Oh. I love the pre. There's like this weird pre. There's a bridge in the beginning of that song kind of where he goes, Nah, hell is where you want to be. And they never do that again.

It's incredible. It's awesome. Real music, real music, dude. One song forever, it might be London Dungeon or. What a track. Maybe Astro Zombies. I'm a big Skulls guy, too. Skulls is unbelievable.

Did I ever tell you the story? The first time I saw him do legacy stuff. It was the one, it was a Riot Fest show at Congress, whereas Danzig, Yutha, Utah Today, no, is Danzig Marduk possessed youth of today? That was the show. Yeah. And it was Johnny Kelly playing drums.

This is Johnny Kelly playing Sam Hane and Misfit songs, which was crazy. Awesome. Show ended. House lights on, house music on. everyone's leaving. I'm on the train going back home. I get a text from my friend who stuck around. He came back out and played skulls to like a hundred people. Oh my God.

Like purposefully. Like you fucking stuck around. Jesus Christ. Glenn. Keemer asked thoughts on the new internal bleeding single. I might be tripping, but the dual vocals remind me of God's hate. That's awesome. If so, because I mean, we've been inspired by internal bleeding. Check out the song, Alien Breed. It's unbelievable. Chris from Missing Link is in Internal Bleeding. Taylor mixed this song. So I think maybe that all plays a factor in it.

That's a great. I love to hear that. I also think this song and record features the bow pedal. Oh, so. A lot of good, a lot of good stuff in there. Yeah, yeah. Does Creed have a couple tracks?

Creed has more than a couple tracks. Creed has no less than 10 absolute bangers. Creed has what I like to say, a lot of tracks. Many tracks. So there you go. I think Creed legitimately has like, if you had to make a tight, like 40-minute set list, you'd have no problems.

Probably. You know what I mean? Andrew Tucker asks, what are we listening to at the moment? And what was the last hardcore show you guys went to that you weren't playing? I'm listening to a lot of turmoil at the moment. Oh, yeah, you have been.

Man. See, they're playing FYA. I can't wait for that. Can't Mosh because I'm not allowed to anymore because you've all ruined it. You've all taken it from me. The last, but Skinhead I saw a couple weeks ago, unbelievable. Like the day after we recorded that episode.

That's right. I have been listening to, you're not going to like it, the new Deftones record. Easy listen. Is it good? Which I really like. Yeah, it's good. It is good. Cool.

I think it's their, my favorite thing, probably since the one after diamondized, coy, whatever, I can never remember them. That's good. I like it. Dude, the new Sabrina Carpenter record. Oh, you like it? I do like it. Okay, I like a couple songs.

I think front end I don't like as much. And then like the B side where it gets real disco-e and fun. Yeah. I like the third song. Yeah, I think I do too. About how he won't fuck her or something anymore. That song is the chorus blew my ass off. Yeah.

So I think it's pretty cool. I've been enjoying it. And then I think the last show I went to that I didn't play besides Oasis and like big shows, I think was probably your Sonof Fury pre-show, the Holy Blade show, I think. So kind of a minute. That's been a while, but that's awesome. That was a great show. It was a good show.

Dalton asked question for both of you. What has been the most impactful interaction you've had with a fan? There have definitely been some that have brought me close to tears, you know? Yeah. I would say post-Post Hardlore, they've all been a little more special. It's more personal. It's more direct. It's always nice hearing people to be able to be.

like, hey, I had this horrible accident. I'm in not that part, but and I watched this or listened to this and it got me through a really hard time. Every single thing like that is, like, I never forget that. My favorite every single time is I listen to you guys

every day when I'm at work. Oh, yeah. Because nothing got me through my bullshit jobs like just listening to conversation. I'm the same way. It helps me. And I would put on whatever podcast was, now it's YouTube and now it's like, just weird clips from other podcasts that I'll listen to while I'm doing, while I'm working

out or doing whatever. But I totally, like, I just, I can connect with that so much. Like, damn, we are that, we are that for people, this thing that I interact with every day. I need to. Like, I'm there, I'm there too. I need it as well. Joe asked, best program to record guitar at home. I like Taylor Young, STL Tone Hub Pack. into Logic Pro. Easy. Oh, I do,

so I use the same. I use the tone hub plug in. I use Ableton just because I prefer Ableton's workflow better. That's all. I just got, I have Ableton. I haven't, I don't get it yet.

If you're good at, okay, so Ableton has two views when you hit tab, right? One is like kind of the clip view and then one is the timeline view. That's just like logic. The clip view is nice because you can say you're programming drums and you could just do clip intro fill verse

pre-chorus chorus and then you just drag those clips and you just have them they're individual so that workflow from my brain helps me a lot because I can go

I want to do this thing again I know it's gonna be in time verse and you just drag that is good I definitely accidentally erased an entire MIDI track the other day for the first time ever

in my whole life no undo no undo I was too late how because there's something with logic sometimes

where you're like If you're going to add drums to something that's already there, it starts like erasing what's in front of it. I see. Yeah. And I did it in a way where it erased everything behind it. So it was all gone. It really, it was, I was like five hours deep and finished the very last part.

I was like, all right, I'm done. Let's listen. And I look and see just an empty MIDI screen. Oh my God. I texted Taylor. I was like, do you have tomorrow free? Can I please just record some drums real quick? Yeah, because you could do it so much faster.

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It's beautiful. Doesn't that sound nice? Give a shot right now. Drinkage1.com slash hard lower. How important is a two-legged high hat for playing double bass? It's not. You can just unscrew the thing and go with the pedal so that the third leg is just the pedals right next to it. I don't worry about it.

Two-legged. Bands that won you over after seeing them live. Twitchy tongues. I say it all the time. I say it all the time. Saw you guys play like second. This is hardcore Sunday morning 2012. I'll never forget it.

I think I was standing with Saba and standing with maybe James and we just watched and you guys had a great reception you killed it. It was a great set. And that was truly the thing because I had heard sleep therapy. I had heard the other stuff. But nothing, it didn't, it just didn't click.

And that was one. That was one. For sure. Code Orange, New England Metal Hardcore Fest, 2013. Ah. bands that won me over. I would say I maybe didn't love freedom until I saw them live. That makes sense.

And then I was number three freedom guy probably. Yeah. Have you ever questioned being straight edge had times where it was difficult? Yeah. You have? I've had times. Well, not that it was difficult per se, but I've definitely questioned like, do I care about it the way that this huge group cares about it? Like is it going to prevent me from making friends or relationships or ban decisions or anything like that?

Which some people will allow that to affect how they end. And like so and I wouldn't, you know, there's there's people who will not date someone who drinks or not if they're vegan or whatever. They'll not date someone who isn't vegan or something. Sure, sure. I don't personally. That is not for me. Yeah, I've never thought of it that way. I've never had it as an obstacle.

I don't think I care for the smell of. any fiery substance? Sure. That makes sense. So that would be the factor of theirs. Like, I don't ever want to smell that or be around now.

Dude, but you know it's interesting? What? You ever go past? Taylor and I just did this the other night. We just took a long walk late at night. We walked past a bar and it smelled like

a venue. You know, the venue has that like, they mopped up the night before. The doors were closed. We just opened all the doors and there's just that smell. And because of our experience, I don't associate with a bar.

associated. That's just nostalgia. Being on tour and fun and shows. And that smell is a very pleasant smell. And it's really... Yeah, that's very interesting. It's really difficult to describe. Yeah, I'm not mad at that. I get that.

What historical forms of torture slash execution should be used against bands that use AI art for their album covers or merchandise? Flog. Molly. Dropkick. Murphy. You need I go on.

The Iron Maiden. Listen. Megadah. There is a part of me that thinks if somebody wants to use AI to write an element of whatever they're doing, I personally, I don't give a shit. I wouldn't do it. Probably wouldn't listen to it. But I don't care. Like musically?

Yeah. I don't. If that, if you need that, I think it'll show and I don't care. I hope If somebody told me like I wrote My band's new album with AI I would laugh and say you're a loser Yeah I don't disagree with that

But I don't think that I Like I don't care It's like oh Huh That's your journey man Yeah you know that is kind of the way I feel now but that's different to me than Generative AI

That's their project They're using this thing As opposed to I created this AI image or I created a movie or a trailer using taking jobs away or taking stuff away from something is different to me than like

I utilize this thing to come up with a baseline that I couldn't put together. Okay, I guess. I can just see a little nuance there. And would I use it? No, absolutely not. I suppose. I think it's just, I mean, it's cheating. It's like you're not.

not creative if you're if you need that. Now here you don't have you don't you shouldn't get the privilege of being applauded for your creativity for something you didn't do. Let me ask you something. Let me. I'm going to play devil's advocate. Hit me with it. Advocate for him.

You ever use the thesaurus? Yeah, of course. I used that. I looked that up. Yeah, but I guess you weren't that. And that's, and that's, you weren't creative enough to have that word. I know what I know what word I want to use, but it doesn't rhyme with the one I did before. So let me just figure out a similar meaning that rhymes.

You ever heard of a rhyming the source? I guess. I never used one. Right. But what I'm saying is... I don't think looking up the meaning of a word is the same thing as I don't know how to write a baseline. And I don't know how to write a riff or I don't know what to write for lyrics here. Not the same.

However, not all from one source. That's all I'm saying. But the intention and the meaning is from that source. The attention of the meaning of missing a baseline and needing one is also the same. But you don't know how to do it. Yeah, but I don't know how to play drums. I could still think of a drum fill. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's not the same. Wow. I think if you're generating drums, you know how to, you know what you want, you know? Yeah, but that might mean me programming something that isn't humanly possible also, like the trope of guitar players. That's industrial music, though. That's fine. Sure, sure, sure. I think there's a difference between like programming music versus being like,

generate me a baseline in this key. Yes. That's, you're a hack. That's hack. It is different. I can just see in 50 years that line blurring. It's already blurred. Yeah, right.

I believe it's a, we're already there, you know? I think if you're using AI for pure comedy, sure. Maybe it's all right. Yeah. If the intention is I don't want to make. money off of this, I think it's funny. Sometimes I'll, sometimes I will laugh.

And listen, full transparency, there's, there are times where we have utilized AI to find moments and episodes as opposed to scrolling through. That is actually the craziest thing. Yeah. Because that was like, how do we possibly do? Like somebody will pass away or something will happen. And then we search one time, like twice, I think of like, where in what hard lore episode does this come up?

And we found it. And it's like, well, that makes a lot more sense than scrolling for hours and hours and hours. That's actual proper use of artificial intelligence. I think so, too. We're not, we're not like, we're, that's saving our own time and not taking somebody's job or using somebody's art. Right. Right. Uh, improperly.

Exactly. Overall, AI bad, Skynet bad, Cyber9 bad. Skynet very bad. What's the funniest thing you've seen happen in a crowd? while performing on stage at a show. At Hellfest 2015, while twitching tongues is playing, I can't focus on anything else

because there's a man in a shirt right in front of me that says, we hate boobies, we hate pussy, women suck. Women's suck. Or women sucks. Sucks. And I'm so, I'm just like,

what is this for one? Where did you find it? Why did you wear it? Why are you here? Who are you? Oh my God, you're so French. And I search for this thing. I can never find it.

Which makes me think the shirt was homemade. He made it. Wow. You said it so it's just going to come to mind. We played Hellfest last year. There was a guy out in the crowd, very similar. Same stage. You know what I mean?

Guy out in the crowd. with a flag that is just a full color, close up, high definition picture, full-size flag of an asshole, of like a hairy asshole. Okay. That's it. That's the flag. And he's like, this is in France for anyone wondering. And Nick, during a part, says, he grabs the mic and he goes, let's go, you fucking asshole.

But he's like staring one asshole. He's staring right at the flag. And then he looks at all of us and just goes, it broke all of us. That was it. Weird place, man. Yeah, man. I'm trying to think there was a, I've talked about this.

And I think I think I talked about this recently. There was a guy who got on stage in St. Louis. Did I talk about this recently? I did. I don't know. A guy got on stage in St. Louis on the post-human tour. And was just in front of James just like, just for like a minute.

Fuck you. And then his friend got him and just took him off stage. And I have a picture, here it is, of the guy, and then of me and James just laughing at each other because it was so ridiculous. And I think, and correct, if I'm wrong, I'm sorry, I think that guy actually passed away recently. Oh, that's really sad. Rest and peace to him. And we found out he wasn't being aggressive. He was just, he was a huge fan, huge Harms Way fan.

So he was just on stage just like, fuck you. Yeah, and we, you know, it was a funny thing. I mean, that's an insane thing to do. But in retrospect, respect. Yeah, absolutely, yes. Retrospective respect. Rest and peace to the homie. You've been doing this for a couple years now.

What motivates you to continue with the podcast every week? Has your motivation changed over time? Definitely has changed over time, I would say. Yeah. I mean, this is our, this is us now, you know? Yeah, we love this thing. We care about this thing. And every, I'll tell you,

what a big motivator is for me, which you guys are about about to see, is when we get to do stuff like the Davey interview. We get to do stuff like the day around Louisville with Brian, when we get to do the speed stuff. Like all the opportunity things that we get, that is what make me like, and have for quite a while,

that's what gets me like, fuck yeah, this is awesome. Very well said. I still think of this as, a small thing that we're recording for our friends to hear, you know? And the second that I start to think otherwise, things like the Davey interview, is when I freak out internally.

And I'm like, oh, no, people are actually going to hear this one. And then I look back and see that people, you know, 200,000 people on Spotify watched the Todd one, you know? Yes, yes, exactly. And it's like, oh, fuck, if I had thought about that in the moment, I would have been scared. Totally. And this is, I think this is,

week 180 or something. That's 180 consecutive weeks. I think we've missed one. I think we've missed one. Yeah, we missed one week. But then we've done two things in a week several times. Totally. 100%.

So we've done that time's over where we're, we bear the responsibility of sharing somebody's life story every single week for almost four years now. And that weighs on you. Yeah. And Stephen has been unbelievable. Stephen, I know you're listening because you're editing this right now, but like, God damn, you've changed the game.

Stephen, we were at a breaking point. The point was, I was broken. Yeah, Colin could not bear anymore. Because along with doing a lot of the coordinating and outreach that he was already doing, Colin was also editing this. We would get done. I'd go out to the gym or go eat or play video games, whatever. Kyle would get straight to work.

There wasn't a lot of room for me to help with that specific thing. Yeah. And this cause, as you guys, I don't mind talking about this. I hope you don't either. It causes a bit of friction because it's like, well, if we're both doing this, why are, you know. And there's some, there's like so, there's things you can't delegate in that situation. Of course, of course. Especially because as you guys know, hard lore and clips and everything, there's a style.

The style is very much Colin's vision. You don't want to change that because it is working. There's input and there's references and stuff for sure, but there is a certain aspect of like, no, this is a style that we're cultivating. And then this angel comes along. Yeah. 197 wings on them, you know? Straight up. So thank you, Stephen.

Thank you, Stephen. We hope you stick around forever. Motivation is just uplifting this beautiful thing that we're a part of. We love, it's always going to be about hardcore at the end. No matter if we, no matter who we get on here, yeah. We're a hardcore guys, no matter what we're doing, no matter what fucking tour we're on,

no matter what movie we're in, we're a hardcore guy. That is, that is the point. Favorite fret for pinch harmonics and favorite fret for natural harmonics. The fourth fret on any given string is the easiest fret for me to pitch. on the low maybe three.

I would say four on the A is... Four on the A and dude, four on the G was the first one I learned. That was the first spot where I was like, oh, you know, three on the lowest string, especially if you're in a drop, if you play no more tiers. That feels really good. Natural harmonic, I would say five on the E, but like, what is it, like eight or nine on the high E?

Seven. It's fives and sevens all the way up for naturals. Okay. And then 12. Okay. So it would be seven that I like on the high, the high. Yeah. Great question.

Great question. Love a fret question. How often do you allow yourself to sit back and go, holy shit, this is really happening? Somebody described, so we announced the Davey episode a few weeks ago, somebody announced it as a hardlaw pay-per-view. That's a great. And that is, if that was, you know, there's our amazing regular weekly episodes. And then every now and then we get these white whales. Premium live events.

And that is it. That's a premium live event. So when we do, when we get those, we finish up and we're just like, oh, shit, this, that was real. That was so good. And then it's out there and it's, and you feel that again. My favorite thing about it, too. And this is kind of related, but not really. but I like that our, you're,

your, my biggest goal is to just make whoever comfortable. We are so not in the gotcha business that I love that. And so that's why when we get that opportunity, I'm always so confident going into those things. Like, we're going to kill this because we're good at this.

We're good at being normal. Yeah. So I just like, the second we wrap, actually, you know, it's the second we say goodbye. Like, the second Davey left, we were like, holy shit. Oh, it was unbelievable. That was good.

When he said, I've never been asked this before multiple times. Yeah. And said publications like this didn't exist when we were doing this record. So I haven't ever talked about this record in this capacity. Just a little preview for you. That felt good. That felt good. First question, each of you are asking Glenn Danzig when you inevitably get him on the show.

What is wrong with you? Yeah. How? How? How? Yeah. I think... Was the snare in the room when you recorded vocals for Danzig 3?

I think I would legitimately ask him where he puts himself on the Mount Rushmore, where he thinks of his impact. And I would give him that opportunity to be like, best focus band of the world, you know, whatever. Like, I want to hear it. I would just say, where do you... Towards Washington, man. Yeah.

That's what I want, you know. Great, that's good. Zach Honeycutt asks, what bands do you think have most successfully introduced a new vocalist? Cannibal Corpse? That's a crazy one, huh? Insane. Honestly, to some extent, the misfits?

Kind of. They did it. Iron Maiden, for sure. Iron Maiden for sure. I love the Anthrax John Bush songs. Dio. Dio Sabbath Come on

That's got to be number one Come on Shoo You just quite Yeah That's fucking sins of the father That's awesome Yeah it's got to be Dio

DOS 7 I think so Is there any What's like Like you can't You can kind of Conchromat Like best wish is kind of

It's hardly You know Like kind of It's pretty cool Marauder Yeah I mean God damn

Yeah This is a great question Remington asks How do you recharge when you aren't feeling creative? Something I've been asking myself for the last like eight years. I buy gear. It's the Omnicord. I get gas, baby.

Gear acquisition syndrome. I hit up Tad. I say Tad, what you got for me? I get a new thing. It comes. Play the fuck out of it. And I go, that's actually pretty cool. And then I record it and then it sits in a logic file for two years.

Fascinating. It is a very real thing that a new guitar A lot of times you'll pick up a guitar And the first thing you play is Some new thing that's a very That is a very real thing Same thing with guitar pedals That'll happen

You'll look at the layout You know of a pedal and you'll look at it's because you're Actually playing you realize like oh if I just play this a lot I'll write a lot Yeah And then you don't So what is there to write Yeah

Yeah I buy stuff. Interesting. That's the best. For me, I watch or I watch or I'll indulge in other media. If I'm really trying to figure something out creatively, which is seldom for me, honestly. But if I'm really trying to push through an idea, I will watch a movie if it's a song. Or I'll listen to a ton of music if I'm working on the other podcast or whatever.

Interesting. Something else, you've kind of explained this too where. I do think that you, when you, when you, when you. you're writing music, you tend to shut yourself out for music. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the worst thing you can do. You need to open up your mind for inspiration more than ever. Look for it in everything. Yeah. And then it'll come. What advice would you give a teenager interested in guitar gear that is reasonably priced and good for gigging? Get a little squire. You really can't go wrong with a squire. Get a little squire, man. It depends on budget. So let's go sub a thousand for everything.

sub-2000 for everything because that's kind of the biggest difference. So yeah, guitar, get an epiphone, get a squire. I would recommend a humbucker so you don't have that. The single pickup in a squire is you're going to get real

just real a lot of noise. As far as an amp goes, you can get a quilter. You can get a solid state right now. Yeah, and that'll fucking do you just fine. You can use that anywhere. Yeah.

You don't need to own a cap, you know? Yeah, you don't need to own a cap. That's very true. And if you do, you don't have to own a 4x12. Yeah. You can get a 2x12. You can get other ones. When you move up, I would say for guitar, look into ESP, LTD, EC-1000s,

workhorse standard. You've seen them a million times. A lot of people use them. And then, dude, you want to know a kick-ass amp you could start out with that, like, CME has one right now for 850. Let me hear. 5150 combo. It's 212.

5150 combo amp. That's incredible. Yeah. It's got to... If you're just sitting at home writing and ripping... And it's also, if you're playing a basement gig, that thing is 120 watts, you're fine. And if you're playing something that's mics, you're going to have a mic's amp. It doesn't matter.

Great question. Thank you. Hit up your sweetwater up today. Has training in the gym affects... who you do who you do on stage 100%. You think so? 100%. I just think like, I legit believe that audiences are

as superficial as we are. Yeah. I think if I was above shortless guy on Disarmony, the record would have done better. You know? If I wasn't... Does that fuck with you? A little. I mean, but it's like I accept that. And I may be the same, you know? I see a jacked guy. I'm like, what's he? What's he talking about? It happens.

you got if you don't take care of yourself enough there's gonna be something somebody's gonna be turned somebody somewhere will be turned off you know and there's for sure the inverse where somebody flips a record overseas a jacked guy and they're like fuck this yeah for sure for sure but for the style of music you're playing

yeah I see I you will not see me jumping anymore those days are just done I can't fix my back no matter how you were the jumping guy I know it's just just over. I just can't do it. I cannot do it. It hurts so bad. So that has changed. But now... So it's worsened. Yeah, definitely. I definitely feel less entertaining, you know. Which is a bummer. So now it's a lot more... I kind of do the Taylor. The Taylor Young, I'll just kind of find

an area, not necessarily a person because I don't want to be a total freak. But I'll just find an area. Or a farming now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sucks. It's a bummer. But then you, but then people go, damn, that guy who's staring at me is fucking jacked. Yeah, yeah, hopefully that's the case. I'm almost forward. It's a nice cheat coat. It's like having long hair.

You're absolutely right. Yeah, it's got to be one of the other. You're either jumping, long hair, or you're ripped. Is anybody all three things? Does Mongrelman jump around? Yeah. He's unbelievable. Fuck.

He's a true natural athlete. He's incredible. Favorite Riley Gale story. Unfortunately, I never got to meet him, but he's a huge inspiration. I love the story of his fake. birthright trip. He went to Israel. He's a massive anti-Zionist guy through and through to the end. Yep. Went just to as a fuck you to see how shitty it was and he was correct. Um, my other thing that comes to mind immediately whenever we talk about him is him coming to our Chicago show. Oh yeah. For just because

he was in town and loading in and out. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. We were like, dude, what are you doing? What are you doing? He's just carrying. gear all night, helping everybody. We did, I think it was 2017. It was one of the life and deaths. Power Trip was on it with Harm's Way. And Power Trip was in a sprinter. And they would set up Nick's Bar and Grill every night.

Nick's Bar and Grill was just their van with the door open. There was probably beer, but no food. And along the tour, they would, let's say, acquire items to adorn the, the, the Bar and Grill. All Riley. Riley would be grabbing stuff. Nick Wood too, but mostly Riley. I have a picture. Here it is. Dave Wood was the bouncer on this tour. We had the, we had a rug. There were lights. There's an inflatable like palm tree. There's the like velvet rope and stanchon things. And then Dave Wood just standing outside bouncing. And that was Nick's Bar and Grill. I think there was a sign, if I'm not mistaken, that said Nick's Bar and Grill. What a guy. Miss him. Yeah. Legend. Happiest moment of 2025 so far. I think Locking Eyes with Todd as we started off my chest. That was a moment.

That was incredible. That was pretty amazing. Right. Good pick. And then like just seeing like Todd and Taylor hugging as we're starting that song. It's just like, damn, this is fucking legendary. That's sick. That felt good. I don't know.

Things have been, this has been a weird year for me. I don't know if I have one off the top of my head. That moment was really cool. That was probably the happiest I'd been. I literally jumped up and down in joy, you know. Beautiful. It's probably that. CNAWASIS was really cool too.

Probably the happiest thus far. Oh, no, you know what? Jeopardy. Jeopardy going through without a real hitch. That was the amount of satisfaction and I had after that was, that was real. That was good. As you should, it was unbelievable. Thank you.

Thank you. Truly your masterpiece. was. Somebody asked, what are the best two-step parts? I feel like that's a whole episode. You know what? That's a really good idea. Right? Wink? Big wink. In the Sean Martin episode, you talked about the pressure of playing live that triplet riff and proven. Yes. Do you have moments in those songs lie, in your songs live, where you're like, okay, here goes nothing. Oh, yeah. You do, I'm sure. You got the big blast. You got the big blast. The big blast stresses

me out every time. If my kid is not set up perfectly, it just ain't happening. Disharmonate the song, chorus, that can be dog shit all the time. A lot. Most high, most choruses, you know, especially if I'm in like a barricade or something, everything is kind of here goes nothing. Holy Blade, I have those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those can go horribly awry. So those are, here goes nothing. Yeah. In harm's way, by the second show, I'm locked on any given tour. You got nothing, you got no concerns of like this part's hard. No, hard, no. The song Silent Wolf is very, it's triplets, similar to proven, honestly, the whole, but it's like the whole song.

We can't play that very early. On the Kublaiqon tour, we opened with it a couple shows, and we were all like, can't do that. Like, you're not warmed up enough to just rip that. Or we didn't. didn't take enough time to warm up prior to. So as long as that song is kind of somewhere in the middle or near the end, it's totally fine. The only thing is on this tour, we are playing a song off a blinded we haven't probably played in since it came out.

That is just me. Ooh. And that is, that's just a little like, okay, is everything set? Are we all good? Because, like, I either have to ring out and make sure we're waiting for something to get fixed. If something goes wrong, who knows? have to make sure Chris is ready. There's the click.

Which Lord knows he isn't. You know, there's the click. There's stuff to do. So that is coming up, or I'm currently on that tour, and if you're seeing it, you'll know the part. It's near the end. And that part is a little like, ooh. But not in a, I wrote the part, so I know how to play it. You know what I mean?

It's not like that. It's like, is everything going to go right? What's an artist you're supposed to like or have tried to get into but couldn't crack it? Oh, really. I mean, a lot of, a lot of, classic rock, I really don't. That's interesting, huh? Who is the biggest classic rock band you don't give a shit about?

Stones? Yeah, I really don't give a fuck about the stones. I would say I actively dislike the stones. Okay, that's pretty big, I would say. If it comes on, I hope that it gets turned off. Wow. Okay. That's a big one, I would say.

It does nothing for me. Let's see. Beatles, any song I'm all in all day. Now, 10 years ago, my answer would have been the Beatles. Now, it was the fucking the COVID doc. It got me. It's unbelievable. It is unbelievable. And it's because it got me from a musician in the studio angle, which is not one I had ever experienced with the Beatles, right? You just grew up always hearing these package songs that were perfect. No, I liked watching them work it out in the studio. Um, there's a lot of,

uh, kind of, kind of similar to you, honestly, Colin, where it's like, Boston, I think, sucks. Like, that's just a band. I don't know. What's Boston's big hit? More than a feeling. Oh, more than a feeling. Yeah, I don't care.

They have a few piece of mind. They have others, you know, they have other songs. What band deserves a pinball machine? You ever played the Metallica pinball machine? It's on blue. It's awesome. It's so good. Iron Man pinball is my favorite machine.

That's a great. Mine is Adam's family, but they're kind of similar. Yeah. Dude, I just, dude, switching songs with the paddles before you start. That's really cool. I'm always the trooper. Come on. Or run to the hills.

Acceptable. Dude, all the features are just so, that's so good. It's such, I play it all the time at Ace Gogi and Van Nuis, which you should absolutely go visit. It's unbelievable. I also love, great food, great pinball. The T2 game with the gun is fantastic. But what band, dude, what if Terror had a pinball machine? Oh, man, that'd be all.

It'd be fucking awesome. All the arrows. That would be sick. Stage dives is just a ton of balls falling out to sit down. No, like underdog multi-ball or something. Overcome multi-ball. Shoot the Jordan for bonus. And every time you hit him, he's like, what?

What? Why are you hitting me? Pretty good. That's good. Mount Rushmore of mouth imitation riffs. Like, duch, chit-chan, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I basically just did judgment day.

Jam. Jamash your enemies. That's what I thought you were doing. That's what I thought you were doing. I don't even know how to really quantify it. The breakdown riff, the bridge to Angel of Death, because you can't hum it because you can't. You did it pretty good.

You did it pretty good. I'm not going to lie. But that's a funny one because, like, you don't know what's going on. Like most people. Yeah, I agree. That's a good one. That's a great riff.

What a weird riff. Yeah, one of the, but like top five, I guess not because we didn't put it in there. But was it in there? Angel of death, I don't think so. I think it was rain and blood was. I mean, yeah, that's the best for it. Yeah.

That wasn't, yeah. Because that's just a breakdown. Yeah, that's the one. Favorite non-hardcore releases of this year or all time. Not doing all-time. Get out of here. Of this year, there's a Josiah Daniel record coming out soon. Oh.

That's going to dominate the charts for me this year. He sent me demos years ago, like after our FYA interview. It's insane. And then I message him about him later on. I was like, what's going on? And he's like, oh, I hated them. I deleted it. I'm sure that those are what's on the record and they've been polished.

But yeah, the songs are unreal. Jade, that's showbiz baby, debut album. I'm obsessed. Surely going to top my Spotify rap, then it might be a little bit embarrassing, but I'm not embarrassed because I don't care. Post Animal. All day.

That record's fantastic. That'll be number two on my Spotify rap, surely. Like I said, the new Deftones I've been listened to a lot, the new Sabrina Carpenter. What came out earlier in the year, Alan. You're much better. I'd tell you. The year ever, I mean, this, this show.

Yeah. Hardlore makes my life Groundhog Day. Time does not exist. Every week is the same. That's why you need to tour a little bit. Break it up. I do. It helps.

I can't. Did, uh, oh, I think, um, did the blood incantation record come out this year? Or was that last year? I think that was last year. I think you're right. Great record. Great record. Personal top five Fortnite items, guns from any season.

I'll do this season. I'm not doing a top five. The wrecker revolver this season, I think, is the greatest Fortnite gun in history. Why? It's a revolver with shotgun ammo with insane range. Now that seems unfair. It's cracked.

That's not how a shotgun round works at all. It's unreal. That's the best Fortnite gun in history to me. Thoughts on Machia. I think it's an epidemic, not unlike crack. Thank you. Ruining my community. terrorizing the streets.

It's got to stop. You've all got to take a look in the mirror, wipe the green off your lips, and seek help. You're making the lines infinitely longer at our, and punishing our poor baristas. How much caffeine is in one serving of matcha?

70 milligrams of caffeine. That's nothing. There's nothing in there. There's nothing in it. What's it just tastes? They like. I like the taste. I don't get it.

I have had macha lattes with other stuff mixed in it that I think, oh, this is tasty. Okay, I get it. I'll have a matcha treat in Japan because I'm in Japan. Yeah, that's,

and I'm enjoying the, you know, the, the local splendor. Sure. But I'm at home. They're lining up down the block for a macho latte. Do we,

we got so fucked the other day. Without, without naming the place, explain what happened to us. No, I'm naming the place. It's called Links in Studio City. I'm a big fan of this place. I think the Colbro is the best one in the valley.

He's a big fan. But they're on my fucking shit list right now, dude. I'm not waiting in a 30 minute, waiting in a 30 minute line for a cup of coffee should be a crime to begin with. It shouldn't happen. And I don't want to be the like regular white podcast guy who's got no problems other than his coffee being inconvenience. I understand. Of course. This is meaningless at the end of the day.

Of course. But waiting in a long-ass thing. line and getting to the front to realize that there's no coal brew and that we only waited in line because there was 30 macho lattes ahead of it because that's the only other thing there was because it's it's just it something must be done every listen we waited so long look right here it all said sold out america world if you're a coffee shop dedicated line for cold brew implement this you will make more money you will save time you will be able to hire hire another person just to make cold room put it together.

Simple drinks, separate line. It's kind of like when people say, anybody paying one card? I could take card here. That's your cold brew line, you know? Just make it self-checkout, you know? Yeah, what are you going to do? Yeah. I hear, let me scan this and pick up my cold room, you know?

Make it a separate thing. If you want something crazy, that's going to take eight minutes for the one person making 50 drinks. Go there. I get it. I get that this is meaningless, but macha is crack and it's terrorizing the streets, and it must be stopped. What's the worst piece of merch your band has made? Well, we've talked about this.

On the Acacia Strait Tour of 2011, Hormsway made Warriors Still Rain shirts. Big. Because at the time, big graphic words, big text was very popular. And that is cool. Yeah, ours is cool. Warriors still rain sounds cool. At the time, it would be like, fuck you, bitch, or whatever. You know, it would be like some gratuitous thing.

We were never going to do that. So, Warriors still rain, and then in one of the letters it said, Harm's Way in our logo. It was very, but it was like a red shirt with yellow ink, gray shirt with blue ink. Like, it was a mess. We, I think some of those are still in our practice space today. So I would say that was our worst.

Give me a one. You won't. The worst switching tongue shirt ever is obviously the end. Angry Birds shirt, which the front is a rip-off of the misfits die-die, die, my darling illustration. Yep. For no reason. Yep.

The back is a big rosary with our logo, and it says, eyes adjust in the Angry Birds font. Straight up Angry Birds font. Straight up one-to-one Angry Birds. And do you know my mom's story about that shirt? No. I'm almost positive. I mentioned this before, but it's so good. We will back.

Leo played. bass for us on a tour. While we were recording this harmony. Correct. My mom lived in Dallas. We stayed with my mom. I introduced my mom to Leo. He played guitar.

I can't remember. I think he played bass. He played bass. Introduced my mom to Leo. And she goes, Hey, Leo. So good to meet you. Thanks again for that shirt.

And he said, no problem. I said, what shirt? And she goes, he sold me this twitching tongue shirt on eBay. It was that true. Wendy Bowen. And I'm sure Leo was like, no problem. You know? Oh, damn it, Wendy.

That's incredible. What a fucking legend. We've answered this many times, but soda from a fountain can or glass bottle. Glass bottle. I would actually go fountain can glass bottle. I don't care about the glass. Straight up. I fully agree with you.

A well dialed in, not freestyleed soda machine. is perfect. Best. The best. And then an ice... I'm sick at the glass bottle. Ice cold can. I'll take a glass bottle over like a plastic 20 ounce probably.

Yeah, that's it. Anytime you're going, that's what... Dude, an ice cold can is like... Perfect. Insane. Industry standard. It's perfect.

I agree. As a matter of fact, when you go to a nice restaurant and you ask for a Diet Coke and they bring you a glass of ice with a little mini Diet Coke bottle, I'm pissed. If they bring me a glass of ice with an ice cold can,

I'm really. I'm a little really, I'm sick of the nice restaurant doing the glass bottle. Because they charge you like six bucks for that. Fuck you. That is like worst type of capitalism to me. Fully agree. The least you can do in your dog shit fancy place is give me a goddamn refillable fountain. And I know you have a bar.

I know you have Coke on that tap. Extensive. You got a tap, you know. That bum-bags. Yeah, that sucks. Somebody asked, was hate. Hazen Street, the best hardcore supergroup. I would say no.

I kind of missed Hazen Street also. Yeah, it wasn't my shit. And it's kind of pop-punk vibe. I think it was very purposefully, right? Wasn't that kind of the idea? Yeah, that wasn't my shit at all. Yeah. No, Path of Resistance.

Great answer. Great answer. Path resistance. Eyes of Lord. Pretty good. Supergroup. When you're talking supergroup, you know. There's some super guys.

that group. You know, that's got sub-900 monthly listeners now, so, but I'm very proud of it. We love that stuff. Good. Let's see. I still get the intro caught in my head, just randomly. Well, not intro, like the first song. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one. How did you guys get the Davy Havoc interview? Email his manager. Duh. Sometimes.

Send them emails, man. You never know. You never know. It took a while. Yeah. eventually they wrote back. And what he'll touch on this, but like, we were vetted. He like made sure we were in time.

When a band is naming themselves and wants to use something already done in the ether, do you prefer state abbreviation, i.e. Kubla Khan, Texas, X band name X, band name HXC, or do you have your own ideas about it? I think if it already exists, don't do it. If it's obvious enough that you have to think about it. this? Yes. Now, if like Vane or like Kubla Khan, if you're an established band or American Nightmare back of the day, if you're an established band and something comes up where you like legally have to change it, then yeah, obviously do whatever you got to do. But I think if you're

like, I would love to call my band integrity. I think we're going to go integrity and any for Nebraska. It's like, yeah, don't. That's so annoying. Don't do that. And I think the poser alarm for me is when people say Vain FM. Well, yeah. Because that's just vain. Of course. That just means you weren't there if you think that that's something you should be saying. Are there any bands that have survived a name change? Because like American Nightmare.

Ghost had to be Ghost BC for a while. That's right. And I think they got so big that they beat it. They were fine. Ghost BC did not, didn't affect them at all. Super Heaven was daylight. Now that I remember being like, oh, damn. That kind of killed them for a while, but they rose above for sure.

for sure. That was like, I mean, that was kind, that's kind of proof of like, don't try to save it. Don't try to salvage it with daylight AD or something. Yeah, whatever. Damnation AD is the only cool. Damnation and martyr because those are built into the name. Yes, agreed. Agreed. It was immediately established with this as the name. Those are the only cool ones. If you have to change your name, just change it to something completely different. Do you feel punished by coworkers asking them if they're in a band? I would say it's an uncomfortable conversation regardless. It doesn't matter if you are Paul Stanley taking a picture with two dorks outside of your favorite local creamery. It doesn't matter if you just put out a demo and it's your first band ever.

Having that conversation is just like, yeah, I do this thing. That is what I do. Yeah, it's called God's hate. Oh, it's called Dead Body. It sucks. It sucks. That's why every time somebody asks, my band is called Marauder, you should check it out. It's horrible.

Have either of you had a coworker ask you about music that was actually down with heavy stuff? Yeah. When I worked, I worked at a big call center for a long time up until Warp Tour. I had to quit in my 30s to go on Warp Tour. But there were quite a few people there. One guy who I worked directly with who still comes to Harmstoy shows. Shout out, shout out Reggie. He knows who he is.

And there are people who totally get it and who were chill, for sure. One of my, I think I was like two or three months into Big Brother working there initially, wearing a Crum Sucker shirt. And one of the Switchers, which. is basically a live director comes down the stairs and he's like Crum Suckers, holy shit. And turns out he's just some, he's a guy

from Connecticut. Wow. Name Mark, super cool, nice guy. I like him a lot. Mark, you're not listening. But shout out to you. And then we talked all the time about that stuff. And then somebody from the faceless was one of the camera operators

on the show as well. Weird. So we talked like Suffo and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Very cool. How do you feel about playing a thing? the same time as Ignat Cefat on Riot Fest. Dude, it fucking sucks.

It fucking sucks. Yeah. It's like the one, to a much lesser extent, at Rockville earlier in the year, the only bands that had overlap the entire day on our day was us in the Acacia stream. Why would you do that? Why would you make people decide that? Those are probably the only two crossovers where either one would affect the other. I don't know if the Riot Fest crowd who want to see Ignostic Front play,

victim in pain are necessarily going to be, be like, oh, we're missing harm's way. Like, I understand that's probably the van diagram is a little more broad, but like, sure. I want to see it. Yeah. The fuck. When I figured that out, it was actually crushing.

That's devastating. It's devastating. It's not even in a, and it's also like, they start after we start. So it's like, whoever's going to be there is going to be there. And that's just kind of how it is because the stages are far. So it sucks. I'm bummed about it. I would have loved to see that.

And also, it's the first time we're playing, so I could have watched from, like, I could have been by stigma and enjoyed it. You know what I mean? So I really wish I could be there for your first time playing right. It would be cool. It'd be cool. That's very special. Yeah, but you got your own, your premiering, baby. Yeah.

Night Patrol premiere, fantastic. I'll be in Austin, Texas at Fantastic Fest. Dude, I'll tell you a taco place to go to that's going to fucking blow your horn. Please, yeah, please. Blow your horns off. I want that. I'll tell you right now. I want that.

What is your gut reaction? when you see someone wearing a straight-edged shirt, not just the band, but it's specifically so straight-edge with a beer at a show. I have no emotion whatsoever. I think he's supporting that band. That was really cool.

That's the bravest guy in the room. I just... I really don't give a shit what anybody else does. No. I just don't. Well said. Unless you're rowing in the pit.

Oh, well, then you have to die. That I really care. I really... Thoughts on pit shenanigans. Example, rowing, ball of death, recording with the Nintendo DS camera, Pokemon cards, etc. I think if the band is asking you to do it,

there's nothing we can say, obviously. I think you're right. The DS camera, corny. Yeah. It looks like shit. You're just, you're doing a bit for attention and you're corny. Rowing is the capital offense.

If you're outside of Amman Amarth and you're rowing, I'm going to fire a cannonball into the crowd. Yeah. Myself. We should be allowed to, to respond in theme. You should get,

it should be a cannonball response. Yes. Like the wall of ball, the ball, cannon ball of death. Yes, there you go. The rowers should be,

there should be a reason they're rowing. They're boats capsized, right? Yeah. The big boat capsize. That's right. Now they've got to row

the emergency boats out. And now they're getting fired out. Got fucked up. All around. And it's the same, it's the same with, uh, doing pushups in the pit.

because it's like, okay, cool, man. Me, me, me, me, me. I think if a band is saying, all right, split it down the middle and they do the thing or the murder ball thing or the hate breed ball of death, fine. That's the band initiating, hey, we want to do this fun thing that's just ours and just for us. They're a show. That's fine. But when you make it about you, you not only take it away from the band, take it away from

the other people who want to enjoy the band. That's what we don't like. Amen. This is the last question. I think this is a great question. Who is the modern day big four of hardcore? Okay. Turn style.

Have heart. Okay. Trapped in their eyes. Terror? Is that too early? What is modern day? So, well, what I'm going to say is I think you have to be touring. I think you need to be touring.

I do think that that's part of it. And terror is fucking touring. Terror is touring. would be, that would be turnstile terror, knock loose. And then, now we get the newcomer. Now we can kind of, okay, who's out there, who's grinding, who's doing it, Painter Truth. Painter Truth is torn big time. Sunami's touring big time.

Tsunami's touring. I mean, in a few years, Haywire's dancing. You know? Yeah, absolutely. They've been a band for a year and a half. So it's like. I fully agree. But at this rate, it's like guaranteed.

It's inevitable. Missing Link is touring. Drain is touring. You know, I do think that that. part of it that like if you're only doing fest and playing seldomly I think as someone who does that you would agree you know yeah 100% yeah but I would say in terms of all-time needle movers 202,000 to 2025 yes okay terror half heart trapped in her eyes turnstile in terms of hardcore music half heart trapped under ice turns out I can agree I like it that's a good question it's

you know and then what's funny is it's been turnstile's been in that spot for a mini since like the second EP yes yeah since they became a regular touring band honestly and that's our

that's our show guys that's the Q&A hey September 11th you know dark we've reached many corners of the world today September 11th

Alien Alien 3 Alien resurrection Haywire This is what we do here. Thank you all for watching once again. Beautiful week. Next week, Davy Havoc, part one. So please get ready for that.

It's unbelievable. You're going to love it. You're going to love it. Even if you're peripherally interested in AFI, which you shouldn't be. You should be very interested in AFI. But even if you're just like, oh, that might be interested. Trust me.

You're going to love this thing. Amen. September 18th, September 25th, Davey Havoc is on Hardlaw. But September 20th, Bo plays Rye Fest for the first time. That's right. Night Patrol premieres a fantastic fest.

It's a big month. My birthday's coming up. I'm on tour right now with Death Heaven. Please come. Come, come, come, come. Is this night two? Yes, I think so. I think we left yesterday.

Perfect. Thank you all for watching. Go see Harm's Way. Have a great day. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.