HardLore - A Tribute to Cayle Sain (1991 - 2023)

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

Our beloved Cayle Sain has passed away suddenly and tragically at the age of 31. Cayle was a pillar of the hardcore punk music community, a master-level drummer and a great friend to anyone he so much as spoke to. If you knew him he loved you, and he’ll live forever through his countless recorded performances and beautiful memories he made with everyone he encountered. We were lucky enough to have convinced him to join us for a short interview in December of last year, for what was supposed to be a special prelude to the eventual series finale of HardLore. Cayle is survived by his single mother, Kathy, his brother, Taylor and his girlfriend, Hailey. We’d like to support them in this trying time and give back to the family that gave us such a bright light in the world. The funds from the GoFundMe below will contribute to his memorial and his family. Cayle Sain forever and always. Thank you for all of your love and support. GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-loving-memory-of-cayle-sain   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On December 10th, 2003, we lost a friend, and music lost a legend. Kale Sane, beloved drummer of twitching tongues, downpresser, misery, shakewell, and many more, passed away. Kale was a once-in-a-lif-a-lif-a-lif-kind heart. If you spent one minute with him, he loved you. He'd say he's got a buddy coming to the show tonight, and you'd be on every guest list for the rest of your life. To the point where we'd be like, Kale, do you need that? this person on the list, we only get one guest. And he'd just say,

for sure. We always joke that kale would eventually be the guest on the series finale of Hardlore. Thank God we filmed this instead. Although we discussed some sensitive topics, I left it unedited so that we can all enjoy

just a little more kale. I hope you all enjoy. Bo, I know you're doing great. Because we're live at Four the Children, Belasco Theater. SOS booking, 2022. This is a very, very... Impromptu, very special mini hard lore.

Today, our guest is... I would describe him as a hardlore legend. Already. We have characters on this show. And I would say everybody's favorite characters are Andrew Morrissey. Who's also here. Who's also here. And our guest right now, Kale Sane.

Thank you. I always said that you would be the series finale. When we finally decide. Whenever the show ends, you're going to have a full episode. But before that, let's talk for 10 minutes and get into the mind of Kail Sane. How have you been? I've been good. Yesterday was the first time I've seen you in three years?

No, I saw you. Maybe it was Taylor, yeah. It was 10 years for me for sure. I haven't seen. I saw you. since the ghost main. Have you seen each other since them? No, actually.

No, yeah, that was it for sure. Yeah, you're right, actually. And you entered the room yesterday by botching a kick

on a pizza box and like, stumbling, it was just the perfect, most like poetic. And then what did I say right after that? I don't know,

what did you say? Put that on your podcast. Here we are talking about it. Okay, welcome to the show. Thank you. Yeah. So let's start with the Ratatooie story.

Okay. Okay. You can just keep holding this right here the whole time. Because it's maybe the most, other than the subway gift card. Yeah. Probably the most legendary hardlore tale so far. Walk me through that moment in your mind. We're on the plane together.

We're sitting in different roads. I'm in my own world. I'm watching something. Were you watching Ratatouille? Was someone else watching and you were kind of getting glimpses? The question already popped in my head prior. I watched Ratatoui and was like, the fuck is Ratatoui. Yes, real shit.

When did you watch it? Whenever it came out in theaters. Oh, okay. I saw it in the theater. Wait, previous. Kale. Yeah. Kale.

So you'd been stewing? Kail, that came out in 2007? Nottetoo. Seven? 2007. Ratatoo came out in theaters in 2007. Did you look this all up? No, I've watched the movie every day.

I've seen it a million times. June 29th, 2007. See? That's impressive. I'm good. So movie guy. This conversation was 2017.

16, I think. Yeah, yeah. So you were thinking about that for No, no, no. It popped in. Okay. I had a meltdown as Nate brought up.

I double-booked a misery and twitching tongue store. I'm going on to the plane realizing I fucked up heavily and I'm going to Japan. I melt down, freak out. I call my other band

Tell him I fucked up You gotta find a dude in like four days Yeah Yeah it's a bad one I was freaking out But then that's a besides Yeah A few hours later that's over

I want my tears up I go to bed You're gonna wait in Japan Going to go to the best place in the world Best place in the world Yeah I wake up and I'm like Colin watching a movie I'm kind of getting my what's about me

I'm like okay I've got like seven more hours Yeah Yeah So I'm looking through movies And I'm like dude All of my friends just witnessed me

Once again Break down and lose my fucking mind And just All bad you know And uh But then in the horizon Is this so much too Is this perfect

Walk into my brain I want to know how Ratatoui came to you Yeah yeah what trigger My brain How it works with Toring with the young brothers Is They think I am

Psychotic and they're not wrong. I'm fucking... I have a crazy brain. I just... My brain's just racing, you know? And at the same time, my way of, like, breaking the,

like, barrier of, like... I just lost my shit in front of my friends. I have to make a joke. Just kind of chatting. I have to just say something dumb. Really? And really funny that will blow them away.

It's kind of like a thing where it's like, I have to say something that will make them remember what the fuck I said. Honestly? And he's... Every time this happens.

It's a stupid one-liner every time. Every time. It's like, okay. So this was borderline intentional? 100%. 100%. Yes. I looked at Colin.

I was like, Colin. This is it. He takes off his gimmicks. Yeah. What, dude? What is Ratatoui? And I knew Colin to be like,

dude, what? What the fuck the wrong with it? Yeah. And he's like, dude, it's a movie. And I'm like, no, no, no. The food. What is it? I'm washing prisoners.

I've often told one of my favorite kill stories. And it's when we were in Montreal on the twitching tongues on the disharmonic rust tour. And it's in between songs. But it's like you're supposed to start and you tell everyone, hold it. Wait. And you tie, you're shirtless and you tie a hoodie around your waist by the arms. Right. And you cinch it and you go, okay.

Yeah. And then what? are you doing? Buying time. Really? You need a breather. Yeah, and I can't tell that to Taylor or Colin. Yes, you can. I can't be like, no. I do it anyway. I say no cannibal.

And every time you do it, no fucking cannibal. So what I'm doing is I'm pretending. Yeah, you're breathing. So good. The whole time I'm just interesting. Okay, I'm good. Because Chris will take his time in between sets, but he's fixing a thousand things that I can't comprehend. But I believe that's part of the life. We were doing at the time

that's just the drummer thing. The the intros and sound bites in between songs and you know You're on a track. It's kind of on a track. Not really like we still get to dictate our own time but everyone's looking at me and I'm dying

for the majority of it because Colin writes really hard drum parts straight up. Yeah? So I'm dying but they made you better. They made me it a million times better. A million times better. Con's my favorite drum in the world.

I'll never forget, too. You said, I have you play drums with me because you and I have very similar styles. Oh, you're, you're, well, is your thing? Like, I played with Mike. I don't play ambidextures, but no, no, no. Phil wise and shit like that,

stuff like that. I played with Mike. I've played with other guys. And I've said this on the show where if I write something a certain way, I know when you're recording and it's going to be that way. And like, and obviously,

I'm insane musically. You know, like I got to hear what I want to hear. I'll never figure when you showed me father in fear.

I freaked out. Oh, yeah. That was a rough one. We don't even play that one. It was a fan. But I know, like, you were the guy where I was like,

oh, it's fine that I'm doing this crazy thing because Kale's got it. You told me, you were like, yeah, like I just,

before I was in the band, I just practiced these, practice these songs to get better at drums. Yeah. So it was like, yeah, obviously this is the guy.

Yeah, no. So do you know what Rattitou he is? It's like a stew. It's... You guys look this shit up more than that. It's zucchini and tomato. Slice very thinly and laid out in a certain way that's then glazed and baked.

More or less. It really doesn't sound good. It doesn't. I've never had it. I don't think zucchini's that great and to bake tomato, you know? I'll do it baked. I'll tell you right now.

I don't fuck with no zucchini. I don't fuck with no zucchini. I do like that. Zuccini. Fuck them. You never have zucchini flowers? Fried zucchini flowers? No.

No. What are you into it? What are you eating? So I've been fucking with this is like barbecue sauce lately. What kind? What kind? Trader Joe's sara garlic. You're on that now?

You're on that now? You're past sweet baby, Ray? Yeah. I do it. I've got like six bottles at home. Syracia garlic sounds real nice. It's amazing. Yeah.

It's a trader Joe's. You fuck with G. G. Hughes? No. Sugar-free? Oh, that's that guy. That's that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, the home. I was doing... The homie G. U. Mm-hmm. Woo. One time we asked Kail, we were going on the van.

Cale had headphones in, so he couldn't hear us talking about this. Going to the van talking about our death row meals. Everybody has a crazy elaborate answer. It's like lobster steak. Let's do it. 20 wings from one stop. What's yours?

And then... Death row? Yeah. Does it have to be purchased or can it be made? It can be made. Okay. If it's like your mom's pop. My mom...

My mom... My mom makes it. a eggplant lasagna, which normally I hate eggplant. Genuinely, it's not for me. But the way she makes it whatever, unbelievable. She gave me a tray to share with the band. I ate the tray. You fucking scum bag.

That's a good style. I go to New York much more than I go to Chicago. Yep. You know? So I can get Joe's or whatever any day of the week, really. I don't get to eat Lamanani as much. Oh. I love Louis.

Have you right now lose is my death row. Have you gotten a frozen loose? Yeah, it's awesome. And it works? It's not 100% the same. It varies by oven. Interesting. So let me tell you what Kail's answer was without a second hesitation.

No, hesitation. So my mom's lose. Cales was. We finally go, Kail, take your headphones on. Does this still stand? And I want you to answer as fast as you answered that day. Kail, what's your death row meal? Barbecue sauce.

Didn't even think about it. Didn't bat an eye. Didn't hear one second. took an earplug out and Colin just goes, because we had sharing we were adjacent to each other. He would just go, what's your death through a meal? And I just, I don't...

Barbecue sauce. Barbecue sauce. Headphones back in. I'm listening. You're... You know, your gimmick was like just talking on the phone in the van. You loved a phone call.

On speakerphone? I hate phone calls. He loves a phone call. He loves them. I like checking in on I like, I'm a home body. There's certain people I could call. My mom I can call. You know what I mean? Yeah.

But like, me and this guy, fucking FaceTime all the time. I actually prefer FaceTime. I like FaceTime. It's fun. Yeah. You know I have a good idea. FaceTiming, yeah, if I get the, I know. He's got something.

Yeah, for sure. But Kale's gimmick, when he's on his phone calls, if he's like, oh, I don't want them to hear this one. He just puts a really thin blanket over his head. Yeah, yeah. And we hear the whole thing. It's more so just, I'm shutting you guys. guys out. It's a divider.

Yeah. I'm shutting you guys. I know you hear me no matter what. It's, it's for my own head, and it doesn't make sense. That makes sense. I love it, though. That makes sense. I'm shutting you guys out. I know you hear me anyway. It was always fun to look back and just see a, just a silhouette, a silhouette of a blanket. It's great. I have a guy just in the form of the body. I just don't understand why you. Okay, I love you. Okay, bye.

Yo, so are we getting some fucking Carl's Jr.? Okay, that's another one. Yeah. The bus in Europe. Our bunks are across from each other. Neither of them have. Where? Top middle.

We're top. We're top middle. Neither of them have a window. Oh. I would get sick. I don't think I could do that. What's going through your head? When you know there's no window.

You know I have the same view as you. And you pick. I wake up and I think you guys are up and at them. And I'm assuming, oh, I woke up four hours late. what's new now we're in Europe I'm still waking up late yeah yeah

I'm with you there no my friends are I'm there I'm with you there in Europe on a bus I'm sleeping noon to five every day I'm I'm just in my head I know

you're like he doesn't know but I'm gonna ask him anyway I don't know anything in my brain it's like okay I don't know shit my peers my friends my people that are they handle this

they know so calling i i i just would i would literally just pop out calling he's like no same shape i just woke up he woke up and he's like what the fuck do you want i'm like are we at the venue he's like i don't know

are we at are we at the venue or are we at the gas station oh we at a gas station yeah yeah i'm like kill you ever get left behind on a bus no that's a that's good it. Our first bus tour, not someone from our party, but someone else left someone behind, had a double back. Wooey.

What? Europe. Didn't I leave? I might not have told you guys. That was the next tour. Okay, okay. Dark, dude. Do you want to talk about that? Last thing. Do you want to wrap? You want to end it with this?

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. So we had just done Europe. I don't know this story. Whatever this is. You went right back with misery. What happened day one of that tour, Kail? I left my sidebag fanny pack thing on, what was it? What was it?

Probably the plane. That's why I'm trying to be like, what? Play, ferry. The van that brings you in to your bus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I left my bag on the hood of the van. van had my wallet passport everything in it i i actually don't really fully i ran because i was like where's the van i left my i left my bag on top of it and they're like they left and i'm like it fell

in the river it's on the ground somewhere yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah to wherever they're going and i'm like where did they go they tell me like an address and i just start running on my phone looking at this how far was it like a mile a half okay maybe two miles a doable distance doable distance I just start sprinting everyone's just like where's kale going and just like yeah yeah yeah I get that just going up did you find it and I found it really on the ground so that I didn't know that I found it on the ground wow oh my I mean I wouldn't have gotten home wow I found it on the ground like right near the van had like right next the so the van had parked in some like area

that was I don't even know it's some euro shit just in like a gate yeah in in like a random area. I don't even know. And I see it. Oh, my God. And I'm walking up and I'm panicking. And I just see right at the corner of where you turn into where it is. And I see my bag chill there.

So the van. That means the van had driven with a bag just sitting on. Or maybe as soon as it turned to get out. Yeah, right. That's very fortunate. Yeah. Well, this is. But it was very, it was very kale.

It was very. Oh, that's. If I was there, I would have been like kale. Motherfucker. And then I came back and I was fine. And I didn't want to. If it was. any consolation, James Pliggy lost his passport.

The first minute we were in Australia. Australia is scary. Can happen to anybody. It really can. Yeah. Well, Kael, this is just the beginning. This is just a taste. Little taste. Yeah. Because one day we're going to do the full thing. Okay. It's going to shut the world down. It's good to see you.

It's great to see you. Thank you for doing this. He was a little hesitant, a little reluctant. I didn't want to do this. But you did it and I think it went great. Do you have a good time? Thank you. I had a good time. There you. I had a great time. Just a taste of things to come.

Thank you for watching. This is hard lore. We're at for the children. That was Kale. So much more to come from him. Thank you so much. Bye. Thank you guys.

Kale never ended a phone call or left a room without telling you he loved you. He had a true heart of gold, and all he wanted was to love and be loved. Seeing the outpouring of love and support for him only confirms what we've known all along. Kale is a legend. his mother Kathy, his hero, whom he proudly talked about whatever possible, asked me to keep his memory alive. His music, his friends, his family, and the amazing interactions he had with every single person he ever came in contact with shows us one thing. No one will ever forget Kail Senni. Rest in peace, Kail Senni. Thank you for being you until the end.