HardLore - Aaron Heard (Jesus Piece)

Episode Date: May 18, 2023

Colin and Bo sit with Aaron Heard, OLYMPIC-level Mosher and vocalist of Jesus Piece. From being a legendarily reliable local spinkicker, to world-renowned hardcore frontman, we dive into his origin and introduction to hardcore, Jesus Piece's fast beginnings and low expectations as a band, his passion for difficult video games, and much more. Thanks to Aaron for joining us in this non-stop laugh-filled episode. Jesus Piece - "...So Unknown" is out now on Century Media! Get tickets for their record release show tomorrow here: https://linktr.ee/jesuspiecehc Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Join WHATNOT with our special little link to get $15 off your first purchase. Get ready for the first ever Hardlore live auction TOMORROW, March 24th at 8:30 PM EST: https://www.whatnot.com/invite/hardlore Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW AARON: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/aaronheard_/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/aaronheard_ FOLLOW JESUS PIECE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/JesusPieceHC/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/JesusPieceHC FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hard... Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx #HardLore #JesusPiece   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

welcome. It's Hardlord time. How are you, Bo? I'm lovely, Colin. How are you? You know what else is lovely? This guest we have today. What do we got? Tell the people. I would describe him long before being prolific metal core frontman. To me, he is Olympic level Mosher. Aaron No, talk. Thank you. Thank you for putting respect on my mosh game, y'all. Kids don't know. But here's the thing.

Before Jesus' piece, I knew I was like, yo, he's here. It's going to be a good night. Oh, he was one of your anchors. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that, like, you're,

Olympic level mosher, to Olympic level mosher, thank you, first and foremost, for your service. I appreciate you. Thank you for yours. welcome to the show we'll get into moshing but but thank you so much for me yeah yeah yeah thanks for having me i'm stoking this one how are you doing really good i uh i'll moved into my new place

oh lovely yeah isn't moving just the worst thing ever honestly i move so much in my life that it's just like let's just put some shit in trash bags and keep it moving like i don't even think twice about it i think it is statistically in the like top three most stressful things a a a first world human being experience. I haven't done it in 10 years. It's how much I hate it. I can't wait until you have to do it. Oh my God.

I'm going to lose my mind. Last time we saw you, last time we saw you, Aaron, was Furness Fest. Ah, yes. Last time we really interfaced, you know. Good old Alabama. That, that mini is like,

is it something I start editing it all the time. Really? And I just, I go, I can't do this today. It is like 20 minutes of five people talking at the same time. Just chaos. Well, it's like, it's like Nikki and the drummer doing their thing. Yeah.

While Aaron and I are like, so Dark Souls 3 is sick. And like just everything happening at the same time. It's out of control. If you do, I think you should just bleep mad shit just like 90 style. Just randomly. Maybe I'll put some of it right here in this. Yeah. Oh, that's a good idea.

Just the most chaotic moment. Three glasses wearing motherfuckers. This man is pretty. A lot of lenses in this interview. It's hard to view the world through the eyes of a player. The swirlies we did was on the tour of the swirlies. They didn't even know what the fuck was going on. No, I did not give him swirlies a fan, Colin.

Oh, dude, Gola Gola Island. You remember that one? Incredible. Binyu, been you? Look, you're out here, Colin. See, this is good. Back. Oh my god

That was unbelievable I didn't see what happened That's 30 yards Wow There's some chaotic Well dude the one the drummer of nothing when he threw that fucking The bottle into the trash I don't even remember that

Dude it was crazy it was like a 30 foot No look Fucking fade away Jumper into the trash can Yeah just It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. He's, uh, I just kind of meant that dude. I fucking love him.

He's crazy as hell. He's crazy. Definitely belongs to be where he is for sure. I agree. How, how is, how has life been for you since, since, since we saw you at Furnish Fest? You just burp? Yeah, that was a big ass burp.

That was a full body burp. That was right from the gut, baby. From the toes. That was a diaphragm push. You earned that one. What have you been up to the last couple months? I know you put out a crazy new record. Yeah, we were sitting on this record for fucking forever and finally came out.

When did you record it? Fucking like last November or something. That's not too bad. Last November? I don't know. I don't remember. 201 or 22? You smoke weed?

You're kidding me. How do you prefer to ingest weed? What's your favorite method? A nice spliff, 80-20 spliff. Which one is a spliff again? That's with tobacco. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah, it's not good for you. Which 80 tobacco or 80 wheat? No, no. 80 weed. Oh, okay. Yeah, idiot, Colin. Does it make it taste good? If we were like Germany or some shit, we'd be spoken 80 tobacco for sure.

Right. That's what I've heard. You know, traveling with Sean Martin and Kail Seine. I've heard the term spliff many times. Yeah, I've seen disappointed faces on smoking splits in Germany. I'm just being like, what the fuck? Yeah, first time it happened to me. I thought I got drug.

That was very bummed. So we on one of the European tours, we had this driver, Dime, Dime, if you're listening, I love you. He's the best. He's from Macedonia. And one of the two people we were with who was filling in on drums smoked a spliff and didn't tell Dime and D.May tried it and had had like a panic attack he like called and it was like something's wrong like my head's on fire

like you got to come save me because of the weed because of no the tobacco aspect yeah yeah because one brings you down and one brings you up so it kind of fucks with you yeah that's all i've heard it's just kind of like a neurological attack it's kind of fucked up there's no filter on it so if you're just ripping tobacco to the head like that that's so you you seek that attack you want that I want a little bit of that attack. You know what I mean? You want to be like, you want to be tickled. You want to be pranked by tobacco.

I like light scratched by the tobacco. Who doesn't? I'll get you next time. He says. What else are you into? What's the best thing? What's the best ever? Who are we doing here, man?

I'm fascinated by this world. This is a thing I don't get to ask most guests. What's the best one? Is this fucking cops for not fest? What the fuck's going on here? What's the best? What's the best? the best

ever, you know. That's all right. We can go back to Marshing. It's mushrooms. Oh, okay. Cool. Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting. Those are grown in my fucking backyard. Do you want to come over and get some?

What do you mean? They grow them. They're everywhere. They're leaving. You can get them anywhere. They got them at the park. I got to come by, man. This is great. Come on over. What was your intro to hardcore like, Aaron? you know it was

yeah I don't know it wasn't like anything crazy you know what I mean I just I went to high school with a couple people who were into the shit but a couple of them looked like

fucking nerds and I was like there's no way they like heavy music so I never talked to them about music until I stumbled upon like you know a couple shows like happening up in like Quaker Town

at like this church called Portland Over Church and the Sellersville, VFW used to do some shit from time to time or like Lansdale shows, Doyle's Town, anything like that going on. And I started seeing kids I knew. It was like, oh, shit.

It was nice. And I was always like- Are you still friends with those nerds from high school that like that? Yeah, for sure. I love those fucking nerds. You want to name them or just to shout them out? No, I don't want to name them because I called them fucking nerds. If you're listening to this and you got Aaron into hardcore in high school,

you're a fucking nerd. No, Mikey's cool. he's fucking nerd but I love him now Mikey's sick but no it was like my home boy Dan White who I love very much Dan West's the man Were they older than you?

Tim Berge Now Dan's a little younger than me I think Tim was in the same grade as me Nice But they had like a little band called like Times Up or something like that I was fucking up motherfucker When did you discover that you could sound like a monster Oh

That was even pretty hardcore I was just like mashing incredibly hard at metalcore shows and got into it around there you're already in the metal core when you discover hardcore what were the bands where you were like this is this is it for me

I was ripping like Oceano depths you know what I mean like fucking Chicago rooks from Chicago that was my shit the first 5150 I ever bought like the first real amp I ever bought was from the guitar player of Oceanano back in the like all from our area the one big ass dude

Um, no A different guy He was fucking sick He was sick What's the singer's name? Adam Adam Yeah Pro gamer dude

Fellow pro gamer I've seen him like Yeah he's got a hell of a voice I remember seeing him do vocals in like the District of Misery video On like MySpace or some shit And I was like Whoa

I do think I think that Here's an open challenge Okay Yeah. There's one person on this earth that has beaten me at Mario Kart, one. Mm-hmm. And every time he beats me, he waits for the blue shell and then passes me.

A coward's way out, truly. No, that's how you do it. No, that's how you do it. No, that's a false win. No, it's not. It's a, it's great. No, that's strategy. That's false valor, okay?

No, it's not. It's false valor. You know what's false valor, motherfucker? The World War 5 jacket I got my basement right now. That is literally, literally false valor. That was the whole gimmick was like, how do we get our fans killed? That was, dude, I mean, I sent that to every veteran that I know. And I was like, hey.

I was like, no, I was like, tell me not to do this. That's what I'm doing it. Tell me not to do it. Well, I fucking got one, dude. You have to do it. shit. Keep that forever because there will never be another one. Why is the blue

what's your, I don't understand if it's part of the game. Because if I'm winning the whole time and you need a blue shell to beat me, you didn't actually beat me. You know what that is? He's fucking with you. He's playing with you.

He's not. He can't beat me. No idea. I'm chilling in the back, fucking around. Letting you get a little little hype. And he puts you down. no he didn't but this is an open challenge any person from any band

I'll smoke you in Mario Kart except for Martin Stewart I can't I can't beat him because he's got my number man I beat vain listen you know Vane those are some yeah they game they're you think about how angry

they all individually were when I beat them at Mario Kart I could see it now open challenge Anyway, which Mario card are we talking here? Do you play a specific? Eight, eight, eight. Eight, okay.

Let me get eight. I'll play it a little bit and then we'll fucking talk, talk, dark. Get acquainted, you know, get your cart, find your cart. Yeah, you know, last time I played it, I was confused. I was like, this is too many. It is, but it takes time, but that's why they unlock them for you piece by piece, so you go. Oh, okay, I like this. Who's your guy, John?

Yoshi. Olympic level mosher, Aaron Hurd. At your service. What is the single best mosh move? Oh, fuck yeah. Butterfly kick. I think once you see one of those, you're like, yo, this shit is off the chain. Is that the reverse foot?

That's like the fucking crouching tiger, hidden dragon John, where you're like horizontal in the air. Oh. Oh, it would be like mid sequence. Oh, wow. Yeah, that joint. Lou busted it out in the Gates of Horn video. That shit fired, dog. you chain that in with like you know good old roundhouse maybe like a two arm spin

bust that shit out the end people were like oh fuck it's like a game breaker too it is a game yeah it's a chain breaker you can't just bust that one out at random like you'll fuck yourself up you got to build up momentum for that's you guys when i hear you guys talking about this there's a moment in the bones brigade documentary where roddy mullen is is talking about watching like tony and whoever like doing aerial moves like on the big vert ramp and he goes wow i'm so glad that's not what i do that's how i feel at this moment listening to you guys talking about figuring out sequences in the i feel bad for you bo that because you'll never experience this joy i'm roddy mullen is having a great time bow and mullen is loving

himself you know what i'll tell you what i was a skinny fucker i had to like use momentum put people down you know what i mean you got to think about the spins it's going to get you fast out real nice Real nice. Aaron, one thing I've always wanted to talk to you about, actually. Yeah. Which I saw making its rounds recently on Twitter. What, dude? Was you drop kicking, I think, Dom?

No, that was Corey. That was Corey. Excuse me. Yeah. Off of the fucking stage. Awesome video. Thank you. Just tell me, just walk me through,

because I know your friends, so I know it wasn't even remotely malicious. It was just, were you just like? No, it was malicious for sure. Walk me from you that moment. Okay. The night before we played Nagoya at a festival, maybe like Dead Day Fall or something like that,

it was a sick-ass fest, but Corey jumped up to sing workhorse with me and grabbed me. We're both very aggressive with each other, with mosh and for years, fight each other. He's a very strong young man, so I don't hold back with him. But he fucking jumped on stage

and headbutted the fucking mic into my lip. And I just, like, you know, wrestling style sold it. It was like, oh, you know, I fell out. But my lip was busted, and I was really mad about that one. I told her, I was like, I'm going to get you back, motherfucker. I'm not going to tell you when, but I'm going to get you back. You had a receipt for him.

So all day we were walking around Tokyo, and I just be like, and I just, that was the time. I saw him run up, and I was just already in like Wild Man mode. I was like, fuck it. I'm pressing the gas on this one, and it worked. Shout it off. Incredible. It's like a perfect dropout.

Oh, it's beautiful. Because he just like... Randy Orton would shit himself. I'm trying to link up with like a random fighting, like wrestling shit over there. Like do it appearance at random. Yeah,

do a big ass drop kid. You should go DDT. They'll have you. Is there anything worse than a surprise mouth injury? It sucks. It sucks. Dude, it's crazy. You bite your lip.

I'm going. Actually, taking the day off. Getting hit like directly into the eye. eye is like the worst shit ever you're like did my eye fall out like there's a lot of water it's the one thing you can't look at to see right if it's okay he's going I often think about when we would play with or whatever with title fight and ends up there people stage diving and there's a rigid or like martin is always doing backups people are always stage diving well dude I mean you

watch martin his his stage awareness is dude yeah he's got other the way he goes like yeah is fucking nobody else is on that level george so scary i've all you know i i i do minimal amounts of backups for harm's way but i've gotten bumped in the tooth and it's just like they'll get you it's all i'm thinking about ruins the sad i'll get you every time this remote this remote Yeah, getting hit with the mic sucks. I mean, I've seen Anthony take the mic to the head so many times. Which, Anthony, Anthony Dio? Nah, from Jesus Beast who played with us for a while.

Oh, right. Brutal, dude. What were some tours that came through your area that you did with you? Back when I was first started? Yeah. One of the craziest ones was fucking nails in that back pavilion. and it was like, I don't know, maybe Nails. I can't remember who else was on it,

but I remember Blackfeathers playing Taylor's like Little Band. That was going on at the time. Nails, Nails did a tour by themselves in 2011 or is. That was the one then, because it was around the time when Silent Death dropped. Yeah. That was it. It was just, yeah, I mean, that was a year.

It was like probably early 2011, so it was only a couple months later. No. Or maybe there was another one because I met them and On Silent Death was out. But it was before Europe, which was 2010. All right. So maybe it was after the record came out. But yeah, it was like in the back of the Sellersville Theater or like VFW like in between Percasey and Quaker Town there.

And it was crazy. That was gnarly as fuck. It was insane. Yeah. I think I was wearing like blue shoes and like tight ass gray pants, mosh and hard as shit. Hard as shit. Too hard for all good. No, that's, it's hard enough for your own good.

Because that's how, like, you, like, to me, for Aaron Hurd, pre-Jesus Peace, I, we had guys scattered around the country, you know, where I was like, I could, I could make a top 20 list of mosher's at any time. Be like, as long as I got him, we're good. Don't worry. You're one, you're a one-man army this whole time. Yeah, cleared up. Do you have favorite mosher's of all time? Yeah, I definitely got some like Beast Mode East Coast monsters, you know?

Yeah. Don Pabone being one of them. He's a sick. Basically seen him grow up from like a little kid and I've just seen him get more and more vicious as the years go by. And he's got more and more jacked as well, which is terrifying. Still is acrobatic as well. He's an animal. And he is proof.

You and him are both proof that like, Good moshers have to be frontman. Yeah, I agree. You got to know. Who are some other ones? Let's go with Lil John from fucking Vane. Beast mode masha. Psycho.

Like people, me and people would see him up there and be like, were you at this show? I'm like, no. That's so normal. Anytime there's like a black dude that mosh's hard, diggers will think it's me immediately. I get tagged in videos. like, yo, is this you?

But no, I'm not in Florida right now. So I'm not a fucking baby. We do it here. That's good. But, you know, he's sick. Corey, of course. And then you'll talk to him after the set. You'll be like, dude, you fucking, you smashed me there.

And I'm like, oh, did I? I didn't see you there. That's good. What was, so did you have bands before Jesus piece? Yeah, yeah, a couple real bad bands. Hit me with him. dude. No fucking way.

In nine-year fucking dreams. Come on. Come on. I've said all my fucking dog shit bands on here. Tell them what it was. No. So this is this band called No Friends. And they were whatever.

But last show, I got butt-ass naked in like a temple basement. Drag a bunch of E&J. It's fun. What's E&J? You know, I don't really think I know what the E&J stands for, but it's definitely a brandy or a coni

brand. Oh, okay. That'll get you? Yeah, it'll definitely get you. I'll tell you that. I'm novice to this stuff. I need to know the side effects before I move on. What else I do?

Fucking this band is staring years and years ago, like Mosh Metal Band. It was bad, but our shows were always crazy. And I was always swinging on people and shit like that. I can look at not. Nice. So not much has changed from like my stage presence of anything. I just stop punching people and like kicking people and shit.

That's what becoming a father does to you. Most definitely, yeah. How's your son? Is he fucking badass or what? He's the coolest, honestly. He's like three, but he talks like he's five. Like his conversational shit is insane.

What's he into? What are his favorite things? Bluey. He fucking loves Bluey. He loves. His favorite mushroom. Oh, no. I mean, at this point, he's circle pitted.

He definitely has. He's here to stay. like warthog or some shit and if I catch him at like the right moment he'll just start running getting the zoomies and shit hitting circles that's that's right here he knows yeah but then I all like sing

holy diver and shit and he's like dad no holy diver I'm like alright dude so rock traditional rock is out out yeah like early heavy metal you know punk is in Japanese punk he's down he's down

with the D beat for sure That's badass. Yeah. He's nice. I'm going to get a second. I don't think I'll be as good at a dad as you. No, honestly, I didn't think I was going to be a good dad. But I did.

There's not much to it. You just don't be a piece of shit, really. Be there for your kid. That is, there's our headline. Don't be a piece of shit. Like, when I did become a dad, like I started thinking about like, you know, all of our kids and like all of us being shitheads running around and like doing all this stuff no one's parents were home i was thinking like yo you just kind of had to just be there

yeah like it wasn't much to it like i've been stoked to be just you know same room you know yeah oh my god huge dude that like all it takes is really that and like being like kind of supportive to the dumb like the phases in a per in a kid's life yeah like you don't have to understand it. Stupid thing. I got to go do it and being like, all right. Yeah.

Do you need a ride? Yeah. Oh my God. Here's $10 to buy a shirt while you're there. My mom got so lucky with me because she was often working multiple jobs and I was just home alone. And honest to God, it was punk and hardcore and straight edge. Nice.

Oh, dude, same. I think it's good that you found the straight edge at that point because that's what she goes South, nigo. Like 13. 13 you know people say the the whole like it doesn't mean shit till you're 21 thing but like I don't think I was ever more susceptible

to pressure and and people like people ruining their lives around me than when I was like 15 16 yeah most definitely I've been to some gnarly ass parties before even being of drinking age like what was the coolest drug happening at those parties this fucking guy no I will say

We got to buy them from. Oh, wow. Who was it, you know? No, there was this one house we always to party at, and I remember one time I decided I wasn't going to go out, which like we were hitting this show on like two times, three times a week. Right. And it got busted that night, and the newspaper had like 25 names in it. It was not really. It was so bad.

I did not go. That one did. Wow. And that's why you're a good dad. You knew not to go to that one. Did you know anybody who had like the cool parents? You know? Oh yeah.

There was a bunch of those. I hated the cool parents. I'd rather you do it here. Kill yourself. Yeah. As I got older, I'm like, ah. They weren't as cool as we thought they were. They were not cool.

Fuck, man. I knew about five of them. I hope they're all fucking rotting in the grave now. So Jesus piece one day comes along. Who, how did this, tell me about the origin of Jesus piece. Well, one of the coolest band names.

So Dave and Lewis, they like were together jamming. I want to make sure they get their props. Everyone thinks I started this band. I didn't. Are they the guys musically? Like they're the dynamic duo? Yeah, for the most part. Like, if you don't put them two in a room together, like, they'll be so much like,

I just can't write. Like, they got to be in the same room together and then everything else falls into place. But John, as a writer, is like, one of the strongest pieces of the puzzle he's a beast with it but yeah it was like really them three working at like a guitar center at one point and at different times up in Allentown

and it kind of turned into this and they needed a vocalist and me and Dave had talked when I moved to California for that little bit he was over there at like the observatory or something and we were talking on the park and not like I think I want to come home like start a band or some shit and he's like well I think I got something and two.

It was kind of tentative at that point, but then we kind of like, let's give it a go. And it worked out real good. Yeah. Prolific. I feel like you're in the modern. What it would do?

I mean, it's metal core. Is that a safe term to use for? I mean, I don't, I don't care. Who cares? It's all splitting hairs,

but yeah. Whatever you are categorized in, you're in the modern Mount Rushmore of, you know? I appreciate that. Of course. running shit. So much so that

Southern Lord eventually comes around who is like for for in terms of I mean we'll get there but for in terms of like a first LP to come out on Southern at that time was kind of a crazy thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Because they were doing nails black breath. Please tell me some. No, I'm good. Go ahead. Continue. We just say nothing. What do you? got for Southern lore for me.

I had another for Southern War. I got no rap for Southern War. Okay. Hey, that, I mean, that's enough, you know. There are. I'm sure there's more than enough dudes from California that I know exactly how I feel. Sure.

Like, not even speaking about any place in particular. Yeah. But there are optics and people will assume, like, oh, you're on this, you guys, like you're made it. You're getting, yeah. Sure. Everything's done. You know what I mean?

And like, it's just not really ever the case. No, and it's you really, you have, the label doesn't make the ban. Once you get to the label, that's just giving you the distribution to do, to start doing the real work yourselves. Right. Which Southern Lord was, was for, I mean, fucking Nails Power Trip, Black Breath. That's a crazy trio there. Yeah, Zabalba too.

Zabalba, dude. And then Jesus Peace was the next domino in there. Yeah, I was fired up about that for sure. You should have been fired up. Tell me about that record. Tell me about your first LP, what it was like putting that together, what it was like touring on that.

Only self was pretty awesome to put together. Like, we kind of just beat the bricks in the fucking practice space. You wrote a fucking record. But we recorded it up with Andy, brick top. I think I saw. I think I was there. I think you might have stopped by. I came a little later.

I was working a lot. Yeah, we went there with the $8,000 that Southern Lord gave us to do that. Oh my God. And we made it happen. We're talking budgets now on the show. No. I'm sorry, bleep that shit out. No, I like it.

They're going to be mad to me. My band might be mad at me. No, if you want to believe it, that's fine. I'll tell you that. Just believe the amount. I'll believe the amount. Switching tongues had to take a redoubt. for the second Metal Blade one

if that makes you feel any better. It makes me feel very little. They said, okay, this one didn't do well. Would you take less money than we told you we'd give you? And we said, you sure. So what were the big tours you did on your first record? First record,

we did, we did, I think we did some tours with Comeback Kid and Burn. That was an interesting tour for us. Was that one tour? Yeah, that was a Yeah, come back kid and burn In Jesus peace

That's an insane package That was something else in the U.S. Where did that go? I think that shit was for like a month If I'm not mistaken or something like that Byrne did a month long U.S. tour In the past decade Maybe it wasn't a month

I got to double check, do you know what I mean? Maybe I got to start like looking this shit up We need a computer guy for your podcast. We do. We do. We need a producer. But that was a crazy-ass tour because hanging out with shock.

I just felt like I was just hanging out with like a bizarre version of myself. Dude, he allegedly, he allegedly, now tell me if you heard this. Chaka from Byrne allegedly invented spin kicking in Moshin. I hope he did. I didn't know that, but I got to zap him up pretty hard. He was the first spin kick. If I may, Colin, what is your source on that?

Jay Pettigene. So I imagine his source was Chaka. Yo, that tour was crazy because Gavin got knocked out with a microphone. We're talking about the microphones. Yeah. And I think, you know, this microphone like ricocheted off. Isn't there a video that? I think so, yeah.

The fucking ricocheted off the monitor and called him in the back of the head, knocked him out of cold. I thought he fucking died. I was like, oh my God. But he's okay. And he's isn't he the only guitar player in the band? Yeah So it just sounded fucking insane I don't know if it

I don't know if they had two guitars I'm trying to think they had a boss drumming in It was a while ago This was mad bad long ago But if there's a video I'm surely putting it in right now There was a I think it was the tent

It was some anniversary I saw it I think it was either A lamb goat or no echo It was like the something anniversary of immured dude getting electrocuted. Oh yeah. That is one of the greatest pieces of media to ever happen to my life.

Here's the thing. Objectively horrifying. Yeah. Because it could happen to any of us. Could you imagine to? And that's the other side of that coin is like... Oh, this shit was 22 days. That's horrible.

That's crazy. That's long. Yeah, it was long. Travel days. It was husky. Did it feel like 22 days or like 25? It felt like 25. Love a love.

Don't get me wrong. I love all those guys very much. Oh, that's an incredible tour package. Is it? Yeah. I would think so. Like, it sounded good. Like, we were like, yeah, these bands are all credible bands.

Like, let's see this. But I think we just kind of like weren't thinking. Who was the odd man out? Us. Yeah. Yeah. We've done a lot of odd man out tours. You know what I mean?

Like, this sounds like a good idea. It's just fucking not. You know. Colin, I was thinking, I was at the Metro last night, and I was thinking about the Tum's tour with Haypreed Fetus Code. Yeah. Yeah. And then the follow-up was Crowbar.

And it's just like, how pumped were you for those tours, like, when you got them? Because it was like, finally, I'm not a fucking freak. I can't imagine you watching Hey, breed, and dying fetus every night. Oh, every single night. me stand there going and then every time yeah just every song

what did you find there you find the video of Byrne getting no I don't want to I like Gabid I don't want to bubble about he's a nice guy I mean he's like a legendary

hardcore riff he's like he's an icon true so like traditional speaking of things like burn yes traditional hardcore like that came later in your life after Oceano and yeah yeah I had to like uh if anything like

be like okay I guess this is this is pretty cool overtime did you have were you were there things where you're like okay I'm supposed to like this so I'm gonna give it a shot yeah and almost every time I was like I don't think I fuck yeah and then you know you hear the lore and the stories and you know learning about these people or what was going on in the subculture at the time and the history behind it i think it holds a lot more weight when you know it that way but just as like a random suburban skater who's like yeah used to listen into blast beats and shit i'm like i'm good dude i'm all right what were some of the the hardcore dance that first actually grabbed your interests uh always like more like metal leaning shit so like

all i wore and shit like that anything with like faster drums i really fucked with um and then Marauder, of course. And then kind of like, I went to like a weird youth crew phase. I liked a lot of like. Nothing. There's nothing worried about that. Yeah. Did I say weird?

My bad. It was just weird for me because I was incredibly aggressive. Yeah, no, no. It didn't really match up. Dude, James' nickname in Chicago hardcore was Youth Crew James. Oh, wow. Forever. But yeah, I always lean more towards the metallic shit, to be honest.

But I love... To this day? Yeah, still to this day. What are you rocking with right now? Right fucking now. I've been ripping that Jarhead record, honestly. Project of my environment. But outside of that, I've been bumping Fulci, the Italian death metal band.

Fouchy? No, not Foucher. Dr. Fouchy? I've been listening to a lot of Dr. Foucher's podcast. We pulled for Spotify's Whatever I've been bumping I've been bumping

Matt Wu-Tang honestly That's a classic Yeah You can't Jizzah You know what I mean Liquid Swords Right

Oh I've been listening In Summerlands I've been bumping the new Twitching tongues Redo Right Wow You were there

I was I liked it That was when the Olympic Moshing Was seen Very much so I actually Busted my knee up

Hard as fuck One of the times Because it was For me? Yeah, when coat orange kids, when they were still coat orange kids, and twitching tongues. And then there was like, maybe disgrace played that show as well, which always felt with disgrace. And then another band on that.

But it was like a beast mode. Huh? Is it a soul search maybe? I think it's been like Power Trip or Soul Search. Yeah, maybe. Oh, Jesus. It was like an insane, like, four band tour package and it came to underground arts. And that was like one of my first time is there.

You know what I'm talking about? Yes, it was Power Trip PowerTrap I'm playing Rivers of Nile Open. Oh yeah, Rivers Fucking Open that. I forgot about that. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, that was sick, too.

Yeah, I like Underground Arts. But yeah, that was dope. You busted your knee, though. I bust plenty of hard as fuck. Hitting the same fucking dope-ass move. I hit a butterfly kick. I got too much momentum. But you have to be disappointed

in the way that it hits. And I'm sure since you know Oh yeah You gotta give it less gas I have a question for you What's up? Got enough room Behind you to show us

No, I don't Okay That's not I don't think that's something That a likely You can just like slowly Yeah Demonstrate

That's got to be full I could like walk you through the moment Like the movement Let's do that Let's see Do you do that? I would love dog is also sleeping She might be startled

But I'm gonna try and give you A little Let's see Narrating for those of you Only listen He's backed up. He's checking it. He's showing us.

He's doing a slow. Okay. Oh, that thing. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So it's like a full body horridant. What's that due for you?

That made me, that just gave me the CWDBs. That's everything. Now I understand. You busted your knee doing that? Yeah. Like when I came back around, I was going more sideways and up because I had so much speed. And when my legs came back around, I just came down. It's like crazy James Brown.

I busted the silent D. I might as well did that shit for real. Put the jacket over you. Oh, brutal, dude. I slid back up like I did that shit on purpose.

Pick yourself up, but yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I know, baby. What up? I'm just going to step outside real quick.

I'll be right back. When Jesus Peace started, yeah. Was the goal, like let's fucking do this guys let's be a real band we're gonna tour we're gonna write albums or were you just trying to make some hard shit

with your friends we were on some hard shit with our friends type shit because we knew so many of our friends that were musicians and everybody was legit like talented but nobody was doing anything so we were just like let's fucking let's just do a heavy ass band

and our friends will beat each other up in basements let's just run it up We played our first show in Anthony's garage. We didn't even have a name. He just did it because they needed a band to play. We were like, fuck it, you know? And then after that, like, I know, we played an after show. I think Harms Way might have played that after show for this is hardcore.

It was like our first, like actual, like build, build show. It was like. Necktie. Yeah, like the geeks played and shit. Yeah. I feel like another couple cool ass bands played. But we played there. they like went up and we sold through all our shit.

It was like, oh, cool, maybe we should. Maybe we should take this little more serious. The sign of things to come. Yeah. And we just kept playing shows or like driving out to like random little spots and playing what we could. And it kind of just kept gaining momentum. I don't know. Fired up about it.

For either of you guys at Kung Fu Necti, there was an after show. Disgrace played, Arms Way played in Foundation. That was the show. I'm talking about. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, we played that shit. Everything went long and three bands had to play in 30 minutes. There was a hard curfew. Yeah. So each, each of us played like two songs and then just switched instruments. How was I not there? Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't have been. It's an insane lineup. Yeah, that's wild. All that shit, the geeks from Korea. I think it might have happened because people were still heading over from the fest. I think, Yeah, so it just like ran something, yeah, something ran long or whatever, but it was literally like, all right, 30 minutes.

So that was technically the first Jesus piece show with the name? I think so, yeah. If not then, like a garage in Maryland. Nice. Which was also year of the next first show. Oh, there you go. Wow. Yeah, boy.

You know, destiny. That's how it works. Did you, when did you realize you, when did you start playing bass? Oh, you know, I would fuck around and want to hear in there, but I didn't like really take it seriously ever. You just picked it up and played the Seinfeld theme. Yeah, like I would play like the fucking fully coolie song and shit. Play fucking summer skin by Death Cab. Sure.

Shit's a ripper. What else? Yeah, I don't know. And then John from Jesus Peace has. had this other band called Hell to Pay. And they were a three piece, and they were trying to come a four piece. And I was like, I'll fucking do it. Which infamous for me thinking that I can do any and everything I want to do if I put my mind to it.

And they said, yeah, okay. And I had to sit there and learn an LPs worth of like incredibly fast, like darkened, like grindy shit. And I did. I fucking busted my ass. it of course played some sick-ass shows and then uh stopped doing it so then I had some time down

and basically the same thing happened where Nikki saw we had like a sun set up in the crib and he's like you want to play bass? I was like yeah fuck it because I mean they're like a local fucking landmark yeah big time they're the torch

bearers of that entire fucking thousand square miles Yeah, I mean, I wasn't going to say no to that shit at all I was I like the band a lot personally Yeah, what was what were your years touring with nothing like? They're honestly some of the funnest times they've ever had in my life Is there is there is there a harder partying band

For like day by day pound for pound level? You know, I don't think that there is maybe there are some like sick fucks out there that can keep up but like Like, we definitely, it was bad. It was, it was a little crazy at times. But again, some of the funnest times I've had. Sure. Shout out to Angela Owens, bless her heart, but she met up with us in the middle of like a long-ass Europe tour.

And we were all whaling out pretty hard then. She. On her way out, she kind of just was like, you know, like really worried about us like as people. She is the fucking best. She's so nice. Like she asks like Fred or something.

She's like, Fred, do you ever worry about this guys? If I knew that I am upset or worried Angela in any way, I would kill myself. Yeah. I think I got me like Braden got an argument like one of the nights she was staying with us and like Italy screaming at each other. I can't see you getting that's crazy that really grinds your that's crazy because he's like a he's in an intense frontman I can see him like I can see that carrying of

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room i also really hate when people play stupid like if i'm like a super direct person if i'm ever like like hey this is what's going on this is how i feel about something and then if i feel like the person's not being genuine off the rip i get so mad incredibly mad like you you hate pussyfoot yeah i don't like pussyfooting around half step and just like get right to the fucking point. You know what I mean? I'm, I'm similar in that regard

because I find that and apologies to the listeners over 40 I found that when I have a conversation with somebody over 40 I start conversations with exactly what I came to ask or say. Oh no small talk. And if they hit me with like, well, hello to you too.

you know what I'm saying if I'm like hey could I blah blah blah and it's like well what's up yeah hello to you too I I'll do a back flip and then cut my own head off right there you know that's that's what that's like

physically what my body's telling me I got I got something for this is real hard one 2000 it was we went to 2015 I think we went to Puerto Rico on the way back, someone messaged me directly on Facebook about images of Harm's Way being used

on an actual Russian Nazi demo. Oh. And they were like, hey, just so you know, this is going on. And it was like, it was just like live shots being used on this like demo. So I email. Of you guys? I emailed this page.

And I was like, hey, we're not cool with this. Like, please take. this down immediately like we have nothing you know obvious shit yeah their response was not even a hello so that's probably a 40 year old russian nazi absolutely but uh russians over 40 be like i'm racist what's the hardest you've ever raged over a video game oh now we're talking yeah dude i get i get mad but i get mad but i I get like, it's not so much like anger where I'm like, I have to break something. Like I get so mad that I'm like, you're fucking incompetent, dude.

Look at you. Piece of shit. Like, you can't even best this fucking video game. Like, who are you? Who do you think you're? That's how I feel. That's a terrible feeling. But it's like, you know that when you walk away for one second, you come back and you win.

Yeah. Like, you just have to refresh, like breathe for a second. Who gets you that way? Sword Saint? Oh, no. Yeah, Sword Stain was a little rough, but I think I got way angrier fighting, like... Dark Eater Madeer? Sister Freed.

Oh, that fucking piece of shit. Worst. I still haven't even opened. Sister Freed, what is that? Sister Freed is Bloodborn, what I was taking? No, that's Dark Souls 3. That's the S3, yeah. The DLC.

That was a hell of a fight, dude. Do you summon Gail when you do it? Yeah. No. I don't like to summon people in I don't like to do any of that shit But I did play Eleanor Ring the first through with the mimic tier We were jumping them for sure

Yes dude 100% And like the fucking uh what's the the godskin duo Oh yeah That was literally designed to use a summon to be Yeah I don't know if it's the hardest I've ever raged But I remember vividly I'm really showing my age

but I was playing Mortal Kombat 1 on Super Nintendo and beating Goro was like really difficult for me. Yeah. But then after is Shang Sun. And then Shang Sun goes and goes, fuck you. And he goes, guess what? I'm Goro. Yeah.

And I like, I like lost my mind. I was like this is fucking impossible. I was like eight. Yo, Shal Khan was harder though. Yeah, but he wasn't in the first. No, I'm just me. In the next game, it was like, finally I don't have to fucking fight Shang.

Oh, I can play as Shanksong? What? And then Shokhan just fuck it right. I don't like Mortal Kombat. I think it sucks ass. You're a Tekken guy, right? Yeah, I play Tekken for sure. There's a street fighter over that.

Mortal Kombat is the best fighting game. I would have to disagree with you. It's the best one ever. I would have to disagree. That was the first. I mean, I get it. You know, I get how you feel. But I think I could change your mind.

Honestly, at this point. It does. I like a good story with anything, but it's just it feels not smooth, dude. Like the new ones are always. Always. I like that it's a little. The new ones feel not smooth.

And then all the ones before that definitely don't feel smooth. You're going to tell Sonic Fox to his face. What he's doing ain't smooth. I'll tell anybody to their fucking face, dude. I do love the concept of like, oh, everybody really likes Sub-Zero and Scorpion. let's make a thousand more of different colors. That's like,

noob side box legit though. I would defa-home boy. It's the same thing with Katana and Milan. Like, it's the same. Noob's a guy. Jade. It's like,

let me ask you this here. What's up? This is going to be maybe a daunting task to you. Okay. But I think the people got to know, could you rank from last to first the Soulsborn game?

Oh. Okay. Dark Souls 2, bottom. Easy. Then I'd go Dark Souls 1, boom. At 4. We're going 5 here. Well, so let's list them first. Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 1, Demon Souls.

I didn't play Demon Souls. I don't have a PS5, dude. What do? Sony, if you're listening. I mean, I think Century Media is on Sony, like Sammy one, nigga. That's what I'm talking about you. That easy. Fuck.

Let me tell you. I'll tell you, Aaron, straight out. What? I think it's better than Dark Souls 1. Yeah, I hope because that's- The remake specifically. Yeah. Okay.

I want to check it out. So maybe we'll put that at three because I don't know yet. We'll put it above, uh, above Dark Souls 1. And then we, so remaining we have. The two, one, demon souls, three, and then I would take Bloodborn and then Eldon Ring. What about Securo? Does Sekiro fall into that? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Well, then that's five. Securo is the top. That's my jam. But then Eldon Ring. Of course. I feel like Eldon Ring and Sekro, they operate on the same plane. Because I think they're different games.

Do you beat Secudo more times than anyone I know? It's incredible. I wish I could beat it some more times Yeah I mean you can and I'm sure you will Yo is that your fucked up thing dude is I played it And I fell in love with it and I did I basically plight him the game without using any of the skills Like I didn't really know how to use like a lot of the ninja items

So I don't use like yeah I don't use the stars or like an axe if I had The axe was good the firecracker dude changed everything Firecracker was crazy but well fuck me up is I started watching these YouTube videos of Fools playing and they're chaining the poison Sabu Morrow with the fire axe with a soccer to dance. So I started fucking with like those like chaining those combos. Right. It's running through Niggas.

Like they were you saying bull. It's crazy, man. They give you all the tools to just be so overpowered and don't tell you anything about it. Yeah, they don't tell you shit. That's awesome. That's awesome. But it's a good one. Colin, you ever break anything?

I've broken I've broken a couple controllers Um There's It's one of the worst feelings in the world Of like oh I just I just ripped $70 in half You ripped it in half

In half Whoa You've broken a controller I broke it in half Like did you pull it or did you rip it? No it was like a twist kind of motion Oh I think I've twisted a couple controllers out of it Yo you know what actually yeah

the worst I fucking raged playing video games is finally clicked. Dragon Balls E Budakai, the tournament where you fucking try so hard, you get so far, and you get kicked out of the fucking ring, and then the dude goes, contest it loses.

Dude, those were brutal. I had to be like 12, 13, like not control my emotions at all. Just like fired the fuck up over this game. Dude, those were tough Like RPG Yes Legacy of Goku, dude

Is it good? That Yeah, it's honestly great I love this game On Game Boy Advance Mm-hmm Game Boy Advance I think there was

Maybe two or three of them Pretty good But then Kakarok came out right That's like an RPG Technically I never played They need they need to do They need to start over

And have it like Like you make the Sayin You know Dude they need do Hogwarts legacy Yo, that game goes fucking crazy, bro.

Does it? Yeah, it's actually hard as hell. You're loving it? Yeah, I played it for a little bit My homeboy Dom script. Shout out Dom. I played that shit. Huh?

No, different Dom. Different Dom. Yeah, different Dom. I know mad Domes. Not mad Dom, but different. I know different doms.

Right, right. Several doms. I know several doms. But, yeah. I played it at his house for Madlong one morning, and I was just flying around. I had a Griffin, a bused down,

shot niggas with spells. Incredible. That sounds fun. Yeah, it's like the Witcher that you can fly and do stick spells with. So the Witcher 3. Incredible.

Oh, wait, we got to talk about something. What are we talking about? You hate Persona 5. Yeah. corny corny ass game tell me more because I think it's like the best game ever made it would be a sick ass game if it came out on Dreamcast

I'll put it that way because you just think it looks bad no I think it's a waste of fucking disc space a waste of disc space yeah I think get more disc space you're still wasting it you know no no you're using I played it and maybe I didn't even make it through this apparently four long four hour long intro

to this game no it's about eight hours? It's insane. I don't know. I got to a point where I moved into this crib with this dickhead dude over top of this thing.

No, no, no. So Joe's, he's a good guy. He's good people. It's my bad. You gotta just get to know him. He doesn't know. He don't know. He don't know. I get to the school and then apparently there's a dude. He's like a creeper or whatever. And then I'm running around in someone's mind jail or like dream jail or something.

Yeah, he's a per. So the gym teacher's like a big pervert. Great big perver. Yeah, huge perv. And you have. to stop like so you find out that people's minds are getting infected by this like shadow thing and you have to kill that part of them from within so you stop this guy from being a pedophile by invading his mind and killing the pedophile gene yeah you're telling me that's not good stuff yeah the first eight hours you're in the mind you're just reading bro you're just reading

mad shit no you're just reading you're saving young girls from a pedophile is what you're doing You're telling me that's not a noble, righteous thing. This is just. But are you actually doing something or are you reading and going? No, you're in it. We're talking like 80% dialogue. I'm not hearing it, man. You might as well just play Star Ocean on PS2 at that point.

You were high off. You were off your rocker during these four of eight hours. Absolutely was. There's no doubt. Aaron, you got to listen to me. After that, you're just a guy that lives in Japan. That's what you play yakuza for, dude. Do you sock people in the grill?

But it's more. I'm telling you. I play that. I play yakuza too. I'm, I am currently the number one business in all of Yokohama. Oh, my bear. Okay. I know you. I'm sure you want to work. Exactly. I'm such so good at business in Yokohama, but in persona, you get to, you like pick your job, you know, you flirt with your teacher. You find out she's like a sex maid after school. Fuck yeah That's kind of That sounds great I think I'm gonna have to check this one out It's good You know

I think my schedule Just freed up So Down the road You after you leave nothing Yeah Was it now Was fatherhood a big part of that?

Yeah I just Just like I can't I did that like month and some change tour with them and the whole time i just couldn't stop thinking about my kid i was so bummed yeah so i just uh champed through we did like the last leg of the tour and i think at that point like things were still shaky after covid as far as like you know shows and stuff and i just felt like uh at his developmental point where he was starting to speak and he was

saw, you know, a lot of cognitive changes. I didn't want to have to miss that. I felt like this was a perfect time with JP recording, but not doing anything with it. Like, if things are going to happen at some point, but for now, just be home and be available and be present. Yeah. I think, you know, that's a really selfless and difficult decision to make,

especially, like, we all love touring. We love playing shows. We love hanging out with your boys, you know. Right. And it's tough to. I love to tour. Yeah. It's tough to,

to like willingly walk away from that. But you definitely, I would say, maybe the man's choice, you know. We were there for the whole baby age, dude. That's huge. Yeah, it's nice. I mean, I did that.

I think that only, those two were like the only tours I did because it was all COVID shit for the most part, you know? Right. Like three days before the shutdown, he came. So I just had only spent time with the kid. You know, like,

the entire time and by the time I had to leave I was like a was like a wreck had a couple cries in the parking lot you know I bet I can't even imagine I feel that I leave my dog to get a bagel in the morning cry a little bit like what I'm like where the like what is he doing why why am I here and not there so I cannot imagine yeah with that but like with like a human being who talks to you yeah and it's fucked up too because when you're gone and you try to call him like he doesn't want to fucking talk on the fucking talk on the phone. He's three. You know what I mean? Like, he'll be like, Daddy, what's up? Like, check out this truck, my man. And he's like, all right, peace. It's like, that's all you get? Yeah, dude. Like, you know. Dad, I'm busy.

Legit. Like, he'll be like, she'll pass from the phone, like the TV will be on behind the phone. It'll just be like looking at Bluey. Like, yo, kid. I'll be like this. Hey, dad. Legit, yeah. I'd be like, all right, I just going to fucking see you. That sucks.

I want to be able to chill with my man's, you know. Yeah. What's he doing now? He is in daycare at the moment. Nice. Oh, this past 5 o'clock. So he's with his mom now.

Nice. Nap time, maybe. Post-daycare nap? No, it's about dinner time. Okay. What's he like to eat? You know, at this point, it's tough to say.

Like, apples sauce? Yeah, I mean, what baby doesn't like a good nice? What 35-year-old man doesn't Right? A little cinnamon apple sauce

Was it go? I haven't had that in about 31 years I'll tell you what I'll drink a whole jar I'm in an apple sauce I'll shit my pants too That'll clean you right out But no he used to eat really really good

Like I used to be cooking up these little ass Cormay meals Like me and him He'll have like a little mini version And he would just eat it No problem And then he just started like not giving the fuck.

So I would chef up all this food and he would just be like, no. Chicken nuggets, please. For real? That's not hot dogs with mac and cheese. Yeah, starts asking for like McDonald's and shit. I'm like, who's giving you this? My kind of guy. He's a fan of the show.

Yeah. So I just, I stopped trying so hard. Like, you know, pastas and things like that are like a sure bit. But I don't ever try to like branch out and like do the most. most anymore. Maybe he's happy. I'm happy. I'll tell you who you know who does the most and it's Ronald McDonald's.

Oh my God, dude. I feel like that's a perfect segue. Yeah, let's segue into the greatest thing known to man. What are you into food wise, Aaron? I love cheese steaks. Like a lot. What's the one? Yeah, what's the one?

So as of right now, if you're looking for some shit, like, oh, brown some jodles. I'm not, I'll go maxes over any of those fools. But I've been fucking with this joint outside, like, my one place of work, Blood Moon Tattoo. There is a place called High Stakes, H-I-G-H-Stakes, S-E-A-K-F. Oh, thank you. Well, you're wrong.

But a bunch of hot guys just cooking up, fat-ass. It's weeds themed? No, not necessarily, but there is like, like, it's like music theme. So there's like, you know, a drum set in there And there's like space for live music If someone wanted to open mic night kind of deal And they have like a 50s bar with like records like You know

Acryliced into the bar It's just like these couple of chill ass dudes That run this joint But they make cheese steaks on garlic bread Like seeded rolls And they fucking toasting garlic bread And then lock you down So like Cooper Sharp

Excuse me? Got Coke products? Oh yeah And they got a bunch of different beverages. I got a Mexican apple soda from that bitch. What are they doing? Are they open tomorrow? Have you had

I think it's Steve's? Steve's Princess Steaks? Yeah. That's what I've heard. Steve's, look, I don't fuck with Steve's like that because they don't really chop the beef up. It's like these beef sheets. I don't like that shit. You got a gyms man?

Yeah, I've always fucked with gyms. But mostly because of the one cooked there is a huge Flyers fan. It's like one of the only black people I could talk to about the flowers. Did you see that Snoop Dog just invested in, what was the team? Like the senators or something? No, it didn't. That goes on.

It was really cool. He gave this press conference. He's like, I want people to look like me who look like me to know about hockey and play hockey. Yeah. And it was like, it was P.K. Subon and a couple other dudes for the 10 years.

I can take that. P.K.'s a man. He really is. Some would. Some would. disagree, but I think he's the bruiser. He's a king, dude. Are you kidding me?

Do you need any like fast food outside of cheese sticks? Yeah. A fan of anything in particular? Yeah, I fuck with like around here, checkers fries and get

often. I like Wendy's. Wendy's goes crazy. Wendy's is a PA staple. I ride for Wendy's. Wendy's goes incredibly hard. It's my mom's name. For real? Shout out Wendy

Double you can't fucking Especially in Like I don't know a single person from Pennsylvania Who says that And like who doesn't say that Wendy's is the best fast food Yeah Wendy's goes crazy over here I don't know maybe it's because like

Burger Kings and McDonald's are usually like lawless lands But like people who go to work at Wendy's They're like they're trying to change like the diaspora Like they're trying to change the way that people look at fast food you know what I mean they're there to like start their culinary journey

and not just like that job like they're there to be restaurateurs you know what I mean not like like the spicy every spicy spicy chicken that they dunk into the friar is done with love absolutely the one on armingo like right by the crib it was like a newer one it was actually

in Arby's and smoked the Arbys and became a Wendy's which goes incredibly hard fuck Arby's is what it is do you remember when we ran into each other in Fishtown the one day? Me and you?

Yeah. No. I was going to, I was just walking to Wawa and I see, I see Aaron Earl heard across the street. I don't,

and how to get her? What are you doing here? I was like, I don't know, man. I probably was like, this weed is crazy, right? Like,

yo, I thought I saw a digger from Twitch and Tongue there, bro. That's crazy. On your way to a, Are you showing Arthur or some shit?

What's up? You're showing with Arthur or something around there? No, it was when I was dating Danielle and she lived in Fish Town of the time. So this had to be fucking forever ago. Forever ago. I stepped outside. It was like my first time leaving her apartment, like going a while while by myself. And I see you and I'm like, oh my God.

I'm in heaven. This is perfect. Dude, I don't remember. I was like, wow, this is a small town, huh? It kind of is. People don't realize it, man. And like, it's very easy to know other people in Philadelphia, if that makes any sense. Because everybody lives within a few little pockets, right?

Right. Like, you know, anyone that's into our shit is going to be like, you know, in a certain area of west, a certain area of south or, you know, here in like Port Richmond or Fishtown. No one's ever out in like, oh, I live out and only. It's like, there you don't. What's your pizza spot of choice there? OG pizza has been really great But there's now a Polly G's down in Center City So I hit Polly G's often

Congrats Thanks It's crazy Pennsylvania style Pizza Philadelphia's pizza style Not necessarily San Tucci's is kind of

Like tomato pies we fuck with heavy here Like there's a lot of places that are known for their tomato pie Corpelle's and shit like that Yeah So I guess that that would be it but I mean if we're talking pizza and PA you know I'm gonna say Angelo's up in the Wilkespa. That's the fucking move.

Big thing. So you're Angelo's over Jerry's type film? I mean, it's the same recipe or some shit? Same recipe or something shit? One is made with hate and one is made with love, basically. Is what we found? Okay, is Angela's the hate one? I think it is the hate one.

They've been dealing with a bunch of bullshit. I kind of like that one. Jerry's, it just, and I think, Angelos for nostalgic purposes too like for going up to Wilkespeare like Redwood Arts base. Yeah like No place in there.

You gotta go there. No. There's something kind of nice to me when you mix pizza with like What do you want? Yeah. That's how you know. That's true East Coast pizza. Well, because then 20 minutes later

it's how you's doing. Is it all right? Yeah. You'll get it. It's there. Where Jerry's is some hippie-diffy bullshit. dude don't give me any of that right don't say hello to me just ask me for my word the same thing with the coffee shit oh my god the worst the person the bed of the cup yeah truly actually yeah i'll back that it's a hundred percent true yo i was in new york for a week just now and i didn't

have not one good dirty chai you're a dirty chieman i'm a dirty chiamen and every one i had taste like shit water. It shouldn't have happened. Wow. Yeah, I'm upset about it. I'm not going to drop many names about the cafes. Me too. I'll fuck with like a latte with like an espresso,

like a triple quadruple sex touble latte. Yeah. Fuck me up, dude. Oh. Does coffee make you all like? The first time I had a dirty chai was definitely like, you know, this has been an option the whole time. If it's good.

If it's good. Yeah. I don't know. If you're from New York and you're listening to this, please apologize to Aaron for one. And for two, I demand it. Give them a recommendation.

Yeah, most importantly. Because I would, I would like to get a good dirty child there. I would. I would like to. What's, if I, when I say the words to you,

best breakdowns of all time, what are a few things that come to mind? shit man I don't know you don't have to categorize them you don't have to listen when I say best breakdown of all time

what was the first thing that just answered your mind in my brain I would go stiletto by symphony in peril just because of that stupid video I'm gonna tell you I've never heard that in my life

you've never seen the drive by mosh music videos no like dudes are like they pull up oh is that what that that's that's that breakdown down, yeah.

I'm kind of new to the area. We were one in the music. You guys knew a place like to go dancing, like a club or something like that, plays good music. Like, uh, you know, like, you know, like, I only say that for the gimmick, really. I got it. Because if you're, if you're playing a fest in Germany with Symphony and Paril,

randomly. Are you in the pit or are you like washing? Yeah, I'm tearing everybody up. You are. Just off the stretch. Thanks, bro. Okay. But I will say, like,

uh, me getting in the music around that time, it was only really about breakdowns. So there's maybe too many in there. Uh, but I would say that Oceano's depths, like that record has someone like the hardest breakdowns I've ever heard in my life. Uh, rooks.

They had some crazy breakdowns, uh, the infinite to, I think. You're speaking German to me, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah He's from the windy city, bro He knows what's up with the bounce That's true, yeah

Oceania is the first I ever saw Gravity Blast Yeah, boy He's an animal It's pretty crazy, to be honest Yeah She's like, what do you do? I don't know, man

Hardest breakdowns ever So hardest breakdown ever Your answer is Symphony and Parole Ocean. No, it's not my answer. fucking put that as my answer. I just, this is the first one that comes of mind. Aaron, I got to tell you something. We're reporting

all of this. Jesus peace, Brutman says best breakdowns ever are. Yeah, I don't know. What's one thing? You go to a show and a band covers it. You're going to be like, well, sorry, honey, I have to I got to go, I got to go see about a

pit. This guy hates music. Yeah, I don't know. It's not how my brain works. I don't want to tell you. I got 80s. You'll know it. you hear it, I guess. Yeah. Let us know.

Yeah. You do albums on Central Media. Yeah. Well, how did that relationship come about? Tell me about putting the record together. Tell me everything, Aaron. Mike Gitter is really great. He expressed a lot of interest and he kept being interested.

And we were like, this guy's pretty cool. He brought us a nice dinner in Philadelphia. Friend of the show, Mike Gitter. to the show Mike Gitter. Mike Gitter, we love you, buddy. Fucking love you, bud. That man has signed some fucking band. Yeah, I didn't know about his extensive history,

so I just thought he was some fucking guy. And we just kind of hung out after the dinner. I drove him over to his hotel or whatever. Shot the shit for a while. But he was telling me about all this stuff that he was into over the years. I was very impressed. But I still haven't seen any of his zines or whatever.

So I need to see some. some of his zines. He just goes to, he goes to like every little show here. It's crazy. Yeah. He's out here. It's pretty cool,

you know, to not lose the spirit. So true, King. Still has the spirit. I will say I actively like try, like in my age and because we do this, I try to go to like every show.

Because I feel like, I'm like, yeah, because you're not doing the laps. It's like, yeah. I agree. If you had. to edit the show you'd have less time

like, do you feel like sometimes when you go to shows now, it's like when you worked at that bar for too long that it no longer feels like a bar just feels like work? There is a smell when you walk

into a venue that has like a bar that is so triggering for me of tour and loading and stress and counting merch and what the fuck you got to do that day. That it is, is kind of weirdly difficult, but obviously, you know, whatever.

Like, I can reason with myself, but I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. I would say every time I walk into a venue, there's a little area in my brain where that, where that PTSD lives, you know, that PT, I get that PTSD a little bit every time I walk into a venue. Because I generally am driving to a show by myself, I'm not playing, you know? Yeah. So until I find my guy and I'm safe, something about me is. just like,

PD, PDSD? I get that PTSD, dude. Dude, I also go to shows alone a lot. Yeah. It sucks.

I kind of like to go to shows alone because then I just kind of disappear into the shadows when I'm done. Well, that's, now you're talking the greatest perk of all perks. Hell yeah. When you want to leave a show?

That one in the skill tree, brother, the game is over. I went and saw obituary last night at the metro, but there was a fucking Cubs game. Also, which is right across the street. And like, like, as I was walking to doors, or as I was walking to the first band,

which was Ingrowing, who were awesome, by the way. You got hit by a home run. It was the first inning. So, like, the show ended when the game ended. It's like exact, you know, baseball games, like, 30 hours, you know? Right. It was fucking awful. I did not get to dissolve into the shadows. I'm sorry, bud.

You're a good. guy. Tell me about putting the new record together. It was a long time coming. You said you recorded it seven months ago. Forever ago.

I don't know if it was seven months ago. I don't know what the hell's going on anymore. That's okay. You're doing great. You're doing great. Yeah. So is Dave, Lou and the other guy are the...

What's the other guy's name? John, man. Come on. I don't know if I know John. It's hard. His name is John DeStefano and he's a goddamn Ripper of this guy. John DeStefano.

Dave and Lou, they're doing the writing. You're sitting there going, this is dope. This sucks or you're like, let me know what I'm needed. Let me, it's more on some AI shit where I like you. Really?

But no, it's because I have this mind that pumps out ideas but I don't know how to articulate it. So the last thing. that I want to do is be guy who's mouth riffing guitars to the dude who knows how to play guitar. Actual musicians? Yeah, it's not.

So you're cooking, but you're going to a different kitchen? Absolutely. Like, if I'm by my house and I'm shredding it up, maybe I'll be able to rip it out and get to it. But even if I wanted to try to show them a riff that I wrote, it wouldn't come out that good right off the bat. So are you, when it comes to like your vocal stuff? Yeah.

What about it? making your cadences? Are you figuring it out? Oh, yeah. No, that's all me. It's like a it's a agreed upon thing. Yeah. I mean, that's an ingredient like any other. They trust me. Your rhythm is like

out of control too. So I would I would have bet money that you are the cadencement. Yeah, they know I got that one covered. They're like, you got that. I know that like musically, I'm confident that they can piece together an incredibly heavy and cohesive

record at this point. So it's a beautiful partnership. How is the how's the response been so far? Pretty damn good man. I can't lie. Daddy like you. Yeah. Daddy likey. Pitchfork positive review. Pitchfork. Uh, give us like a 7.5 or something. That might as well be a 15.

Yeah. For pitchfork, that's fucking amazing. I hope that's great for these shout to them. What did they give fucking time and space or I got three three I think That was that fucking hatchet job Yeah yeah I know But it's still just like it was still publicized

They finally have a guy Who knows what they're fucking talking about With hardcore and metal and stuff Well that's good Where did you guys record We did this with our man Randy LaBuff And we did a lot of it Over at the old machine shop

Yeah And then the flood happened You know I went to stay for a couple of days but again, I kind of went in there after they were all done. I went up there with them while they were in there for a second, but with the baby schedule and stuff, I was kind of going back and forth. Was EQ the dog there?

EQ, the dog was there, and I love that little fucker. We kicked it all the time. Did you have any mice or ghost run-ins? Yeah, me and the mice were kicking it late night in the kitchen. They were just like climbing up. Like climbing up the shit into the corner. And like right at eye level when you walk in? Yeah.

I don't like that at all. I mean, mice are pretty common on the East Coast. I'm more of a rat man. I'm a bad Rattitude guy personally. I had a pet rat once by the time named Costello. And it was dope as hell, right? It was pretty awesome. Yeah.

My cousin blew weed smoke into its enclosure. Murdered it. Oh, it died? Yeah, it fucking died. It got so high. It died. That bummed me out. I had a pet rat named Jerry.

She was awesome. It's fucked up because I was going to feed it to my snakes. And then I was like, this guy is nice. So I kept them. So your cousin maybe knew that and was like, I better, I better give him a glorious exit rather than that. Yeah, he murdered it. He gave him a warrior's death.

He did. Get high as fuck. And just be dead. That's how I want to go out, dude. You seen a ghost? Uh, yeah Tell us talk to please Talk

I mean at this point I don't know I don't really believe It goes that much But at the time I was like Very freaked out Tell me

I lived in this house In Lansdale Lansdale Pennsylvania Middle school We just moved in A very weird house Two stories Like the top two stories

Of this apartment And Uh Me and my brother Lived in these three rooms That were like Essentially Like a converted

attic. You go up there, but the ceiling's very low, kind of pointy. And, you know, they had some freak-ass crawl spaces and stuff like that. And I started sleeping in there, and I would wake up every night, specific night, and I would kind of, like, see, like, a form, you know, like down towards the end of my bed. And it weirded me out the first couple nights. So I started sleeping in the room with my brother. I was like, dude, fuck this.

Like, I'm not. I'm not doing that. you know and uh it just kind of kept happening here and there and uh one of the mornings i was down there some freak shit happened in my kitchen like a lot of my cabinets opened up and watched them open like yeah like there was this room here and i could see like a door here a door here and i was looking out in the kitchen like i kind of saw some shit to the right side and i just didn't look like straight at the tv and in the kitchen i saw some shit like open up And my mom, like, came out of the room and, like, it all just kind of was, like, not happening anymore.

And I was like, yeah, maybe I'm just tired. Like, maybe I didn't see that shit. And then my grandmother came to, like, live with us. And she was on her way out. And as soon as she stepped in, she was like, I'm not fucking staying here. No way. She'd do it immediately. She was like, this is fucked up.

Like, she went to buy a house instead. Like, she's like, yeah, we're, like, we're moving out of this place. Whoa. So then. So then, so then, right? And instead of sleeping with a ghost spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean, she was on her way out She didn't give a fuck

She was like, yo, I'm getting the fuck out of here, son Yeah And years later, right, years later I get invited to this party Like a shitty fucking movie I'm like, oh, I don't go to this party Like more friends got a new place Same fucking house

So I'm getting like Chills up my neck Walking up the steps To this fucking place Going back in there And we're all chilling, drinking And this dude Lou comes over

And he's lived under this apartment For years now He's like, Y' I'm surprised anyone moved in here I used to hear footsteps running up and down these hallways when nobody lived in here for a couple years. And I was like, that's crazy. I was like, I didn't tell him about my experience or anything like that.

He just was like, I hear these little footsteps running around up here. But I also suffered from. Free unspoken, undeniable experiences. And there are stories about houses in Lansdale being haunted and stuff like that. But I don't know. I just talked it up to severe anxiety and shit like that. You don't seem like an anxious guy. You know what that reminded me of is like when I was growing up, I was afraid, as we mentioned, I was very afraid of the dark.

I hated the dark, right? And like if I would get freaked out, I would go and sleep on the floor next to my mom's bed because I just wanted to be by someone who I knew was safe, you know? And she would freak me out because she had this cabinet in our kitchen, like armoire with like glass doors. that had, she collected statues of Mary. Oh, hell no. The mother Mary, and they would, like, move, right? They would be in different. They would be in notably different positions

when you would go to check on them. And it was freaking me out, and then one day I realized, we lived near a busy street, and things are rattling. No, impossible. Well, no, no, because I fixed it. I don't know.

I put little bumpers underneath the armor and they stopped moving. You're mistaken. I was told that, when I was like Helly Young too We lived in this like weird Low-income housing shit

All those joints were like Said to be pretty haunted too Like they just kind of like mowed over some graveyard Or some shit to do it And I'd be up like sitting up just like hanging out with somebody Like Early early years Yeah like nobody there

I'd just be up playing with somebody So yeah I don't know maybe even fucking Wildman Psycho or so up there and there got some freak-ass ghost all me you do it's his name is Jesus Christ now the Jesus piece for yeah I don't know who knows I do when I when I say the words favorite tour you've ever done your life oh shit what comes to my uh a tour with vain and I think like absolute suffering or something That's awesome.

Dude, early. Maybe. I'm gonna start Googling this shit. Okay. Google it up. We got nothing but time. So that's a tour where just three bands back to back. The crowd is just murdering and nothing else.

Yeah, for the most part. Yeah. Oh, we did the Jesus Peace Bain separated type cast. That was a good. That was cool. That's cool. Down F.A. I want to say.

That was a really good one. Maybe that's the one that was more fun. that sounds like yeah that was the more fun yeah to be at but uh yeah that tour is really fun i think one of the the japanese tour the first japanese tour we did and then uh australia with knock loose was an incredibly fun oh yeah that's huge that's a lot of fun what's next for you guys for jp yeah yeah uh we're gonna to go do the UK Outbreak Fest and

we'll see you there. Oh, hell yeah. Resurrection Fest in Spain. It's my first time in Spain. Dude. Spain is awesome. Yeah, I'm pretty fired up about that. What the fuck else?

Maybe some Japan shit in Australia by the end of the year. We got our record release show May 19th with Anxious and Earth Eater. And in both. of this episode is just perfect. Wonderful.

Yeah. So please go get your tickets, Philadelphia, Union Transfer. Jesus peace. By the time this comes out, that'll be tomorrow. Whoa.

That'll be tomorrow night. The show? Yeah. Oh, come out tomorrow night. That's how we synergize. Aaron, thank you so much

for joining us today. Thanks for having me. I'm sorry I couldn't think of the best breakdown I've ever heard. I'm a little disappointed. Do you have you thought of anything? I need one. I'm not hanging up until you can...

Let me look at it. One thing that rocks and then you can... And then you may go. If I make the sound of a China going... What's the part that comes after it that you're wanting to kill someone to? Oh, fuck. You just did the...

That was literally the... Another victim dies. First blood count in. Ch... Do you do it. To do it. Dund do it. Gung, gung.

Unbelievable. Yeah, that's a good shit. Oh, shit. Hold on there you got one. I need one pit that makes Aaron go, yeah. If I ever heard the breakdown for Inhuman Affliction by Oceano. Back to Oceano. Sounds perfect.

The man loves Oceano. I do. And we love the man. Oh, merciless concept had some fucking haters, too. That is true. That is true. Oh, my gosh hard as fuck that bad. Yo, last time they played, you know, actually fucking unit 731, nigga.

Fucking, probably like mass acceptance goes crazy. I know. You're probably a built-upon frustration guy, too. I like built-upon, but I definitely like the unit way fucking more. Interesting. Just because like... That's a real deep cut. Are they PA?

They're PA, right? Yeah, they're Pittsburgh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Eternal sleep. That was one of the shows, like, they played. I saw them playing Pittsburgh, and it was just, like, all steelworkers, like, killing each other. I was like, this is not a pit for me.

Yeah, yeah, no. Like, this is an emboss pit, dude. Like, you don't step in their benefits in their fucking, they're fucking, they're out on you. I'm not. In that pit, it's over. Over. Over. Well, Aaron, this was a blast.

Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me, boys. I'll enjoy. See ya, sometime soon, walk around, fucking fish town or something next time. No, no, we'll literally see you in Manchester. Yeah, we'll see you in a while. Oh, shit. Well, I'll see you guys in Manchester.

We'll go fucking spoons or something. Love it. Good. Nah, spoons, dog. You never been to spoons? I don't know what either of those things are. No. It's a, it's like, it's like, uh,

I'm going to put this like English Applebee's Oh Sign me up Yeah But the dope shit about it is If you have the table number People can just order things to your table

So we would go to spoons Like yo we had spoons Diggas post the number People would just start sending crazy shit to the table Off the app so like Oh that's awesome You get hammered eating like peas and shit Mushu peas

So once we're at spoons we'll tweet out our number to everybody and you get us the good stuff i'll send you something good i'll send you like uh some old cider or something yeah yeah sounds good perfect send me a nice spliff to my table at it's spoon yo if spoons was passing out a good actually nah i'm good now he's good actually nah i thought about that shit nah Either way. Enjoy your record release. Thanks.

A big day. Thanks. Revel in it. Yeah. It's your day, Aaron. Thanks. I think we're going to play the entire record. Oh, dude.

That's gangster. I'm going to throw up. Yes, you are. So unknown. Dot, dot, dot. So Unknown is out now on Century Media. Check it out. Check out their record release tomorrow.

Support Aaron. He's, he's, we love him. Thanks, guys. He's beaten, he's beaten Secudo more times than way more times And frankly

That there's nothing but respect for that Yeah and I platinum Elton ring nigga puts some respect That's for a platinum that shit I didn't do nothing for that long I don't think I platinum to any game You got to start platinum shit You see how y'all niggas reacted when I said that shit

Mm-hmm Yeah You're all try Diablo for Platinum Diablo 4 You gotta collect fucking 25 leaves or something That's shit I like you like leaves

I love I love it well I'm gonna go platinum elder ring right now so I'm on that so thank you so much thank you all for listening we'll see you next week

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