HardLore - Akil Godsey (End It)

Starting point is 00:00:00 Subscribe to the all new Hardlore Patreon now for early ad-free access to every episode and an exclusive episode every month. That was a whole intention. We had no intentions of really playing it out or torn or anything. It just wanted to be like, yeah, it's 10 minutes of what actually is hardcore. I'll see you kids in hell. Beautiful. Wow. So it doesn't matter what you were doing as long as you were harder than them.

Starting point is 00:00:24 As long as it was known. Like, this is Baltimore Harbor. Oh, welcome. It's Hardlore. How are you, Bo? I'm doing very well, Colin. How are you feeling? I'm feeling all right.

Starting point is 00:00:56 I'm feeling great about this guest we have today. This is years in the making. This is historical. This is groundbreaking. This is one of the most requested guests week to week we have. And I've been dying to have them on one of maybe the most charismatic. modern, hardcore frontman, a man whose style

Starting point is 00:01:27 is only surpassed by his talent. Oh, wow. Yeah, I know, that was good, huh? That was good. But I'm not done. The future of hardcore music and the present of hardcore music, let's be real,

Starting point is 00:01:46 from Baltimore, Maryland, and end it, please welcome Akeel God's What's up, boys? How are you, sir? I'm living in fancy free. I can't complain. Fantastic.

Starting point is 00:02:01 Welcome. So glad we finally got you here. How's your day? How's your week? How's your year going? You know, it's another day. I'm just glad to be here, happy to be allowed. Thanks for having me on the podcast.

Starting point is 00:02:17 Of course. My day was sick. Like, I was just telling you, I slept until 1 p. which is something I normally don't do. I'm normally up by 8.39 o'clock without fail. Why the sudden were you up late or what happened? Klonopin. I took a Klonopator and I slept in 12 hours and that was cool.

Starting point is 00:02:36 Tell me about Klonopin. This is new for us. So, oh yeah, we got two edging. So I believe. Teach us. Klonopin's some type of anti-anxiety, something to another. Yes. But it'll put you sleep.

Starting point is 00:02:51 I guess that's how it let you deal with the anxiety. Are you an anxious guy? Not at all, but I have a wide-awak, I see. Yeah. So it's like me. It's like me and Benadryl. It's like a Benadryl. It's like a Benadryl or a Z-Quil.

Starting point is 00:03:06 Is there a Clonopin hat man? There is it. But if you eat nine of them and drink a pint of whiskey, you will be asked to leave whatever establishment is. So you become the hat. man rather than being visited by him. Shout on to the internet. I didn't know the hat man was like a phenomenon.

Starting point is 00:03:29 Yeah. That everyone sees the hat man. I thought it was just a name. He's out there. Have you ever experienced him? Yeah. Either of you. Wow.

Starting point is 00:03:39 I've seen the hat man before. Like, so you grow up, I got hay fever or whatever allergies. And, you know, plans to give you a Benadryl. If you're taking enough days in a row or you're prescribed it to something to you'll just see the hatbag. I can't believe you as an American just called it hay fever because that is do is hay fever common in Baltimore versus allergies? That's what we called it in my house.

Starting point is 00:04:05 Yeah, we call it. Hey, fever here. Dude, I always thought hay fever was like the most dramatic British way of saying allergies. Yeah. I thought it really, you think you had an illness growing up. Your parents said you got the hay fever on my life. No.

Starting point is 00:04:21 What about the props? You know, I'm excited to get in to end it and how, you know, your evolution as a frontman. But of course, I can't get there without first asking you about malicious code. Oh, brother. Talk to him. Tell me about malicious code, Akue. So the code was the first man I ever got the opportunity to front. Malicious code, that was, I want to say 20.

Starting point is 00:04:51 14 to 2016. Somewhere around that, it was like a thrash. The guy that wrote all the stuff, Mitch, do you remember that band's surroundings from back in the day? Yeah, of course. So Mitch played in surroundings, Mitch wrote all the shit.

Starting point is 00:05:06 So it was like a thrashy, blackened, hardcore punk thing. I didn't, at that point, I didn't really care. Someone asked me to be in a band. I got the opportunity to be in a band.

Starting point is 00:05:20 Yeah, yeah. That was fun. But the code, the code never did anything. The code. I love that. Yeah, the code is awesome. We always just called the code. So was that, that wasn't something where you were like leading the charge

Starting point is 00:05:33 musically and making like your dream band. Oh, no, I got a, I got, I mean, I can talk about it now. I would, not necessarily get reprimanded because I'm a grown-ass man, but some of my, my song, some of the motifs and themes, I can only write songs. that about things I've experienced. Of course. So I guess sometimes some of my subject matter

Starting point is 00:05:57 wasn't appreciated upon the group of kids that I was writing songs with. Because, you know, you met me. This ain't a facade. You know, I'm kind of out of my father. That's real. It's real. It's real.

Starting point is 00:06:08 So, you know, it just didn't, it just never clicked. Okay. You know? But it was fun. The music was cool. I wrote a song about, I wrote that fucking song, Satanibus,

Starting point is 00:06:20 which I think is. still one of the coolest songs I ever wrote because I was obviously smoking weed. It's brilliant. I love Satan. There you go. Finally. Somebody puts them together. Somebody gets it.

Starting point is 00:06:33 That joint, I took like Dante's Inferno and like transferred Dante's Inferno into like different degrees of like tough weed. I don't even think I actually did that in the song, but that's what I was thinking. Sure. Well, I mean, listen, you're going to have to write an end at LP someday. that's a lot of songs. So you got one in the tank, ready to go. Satanibus can make a comment.

Starting point is 00:06:57 We will never. Breaking news. That way, never. Okay. LPs are out. They're out. Yeah, people love EP. Well, no, no, not the cover of the Malicious Cone song will never happen.

Starting point is 00:07:13 We're actually in the studio now. I'm going to record Thursday. I got dropped some vocals on Thursday. We are doing an LP fucking final. Well, that's breaking news. We'll get into that. LPs are in. People are loving LPs.

Starting point is 00:07:27 What do you say, Beau? I said LPs are in, too. Yeah, it's time. So tell me about young Akeel. Are you from, like, Baltimore proper? So I'm from, like, literally right at the city-county line. Okay. So, I mean, I got a Baltimore city zip code, but we lived in the county.

Starting point is 00:07:51 Okay. But like, whatever is Baltimore is right down the street. The zip code never lies. Yeah, zip code never lies. They show you where you are. Exactly. Tell me about the shows and, like, local bands and maybe some bands that came through that kept you coming back and that showed you that this was the lifestyle for you.

Starting point is 00:08:14 I mean, like, I can tell you. So, you know, you get the, I didn't really find hardcore until I was in high school. So of course you're younger You see Like other people in bands And of course you're looking for community and friendship So like if I was in class with someone And they mentioned they were in a band

Starting point is 00:08:32 I just go to their show Yeah You know, but like I still knew Because we all were on my space and shit So Shout out of my space So we all we knew about like a Lilu Dallas You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:08:47 I don't know if you remember Lewie W Dallas Oh that's a right Right. My American watching Target like, like,

Starting point is 00:08:52 metal floor or shit like that. Of course there's stout and Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:56 So Stout was something you were you were already familiar with in high school? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:01 Stout. Because that's the gods. That's, I mean, that's Baltimore. As Baltimore

Starting point is 00:09:06 OGs are there. They're the Beatles of Baltimore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that,

Starting point is 00:09:14 you know, what were some, do you have memories of specific shows you went to of like, mashing for the first time, experiencing the iconic Baltimore violence.

Starting point is 00:09:28 It's a violent moshing scene, and you are a violent mosher. I don't want to know about it. I've never seen it. Is that because you broke your arm doing your signature cartwheel at the sidebar? That shit was awesome. Dislocated my elbow. That was nuts. That was a good night.

Starting point is 00:09:48 Anyway. Not. I don't even think that slowed me down in all along. But I don't know. Tell me about those early memories it shows. You go to the soft. So like there was, growing up, there was two different sides. You had the sidebar hardcore scene. That was a lot of the skinheads and like the punks and older kids.

Starting point is 00:10:08 And then you had the art space. And then the art space was more college kids. You know what I mean? Yeah, shout out art space. But more college kids, more contemporary. style, hardcore shit. So, I mean, like, I didn't really know that difference

Starting point is 00:10:25 until I got older. But the art space was so fucking small before it moved to the big room, it was all violent. There was no choice but it to be violent. It was the best. I was 17 when the TUI demo dropped. I was actually, we were on the bus the other day.

Starting point is 00:10:43 I was talking at Jim about it. How, like, how small the art space was. in relation to how much we love that trapped on the ice demo. Yeah. Like, there was no way to run. Right. Right. Of course, you go to the sidebar, you see stout.

Starting point is 00:10:59 It's to be expected. You know what I mean? That wasn't necessarily like crazy wild violent mosherly. Because there was a place to run. You could leave. If you got stuck in front of the art space, that was it. Oh, it's game over. It's game over.

Starting point is 00:11:12 You're getting smashed. I've seen it. Yeah. I've seen it firsthand. And then like the. talking head. I was around enough to go to a couple shows at the talking head. The talking

Starting point is 00:11:25 head was formerly at that time, the original auto bar location. Oh. And it was on the back side of sidebar. So like there used to be an alleyway that connected sidebar to the talking head. And you could just like cut through, go through the cut through and get back and forth to it.

Starting point is 00:11:43 Beautiful. Because there'd be two shows at the same time, two different scenes. Wow. So you're deep into high school when the, when the TUI demo comes out. Yeah, I'm a 16. So early, I was late 16 years old, early 17 years old. So yeah. So we're the exact same age.

Starting point is 00:12:01 So that hit us at the same time, same point in our lives and changed everything. Like the world's stuff. As a local band, how was connecting with that? I mean, we're still talking about it right now. You know, like I still. I still think Justice is one of the coolest guys I ever met. You wrote that? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:24 That's crazy. That's fucking crazy. Journal text me and I'm like, oh shit. Did it like, did it change things? Did it alter the direction of other bands? So it didn't like change Baltimore, but it did give a caveat out of the old school way of handling the hardcore shit. because like the older guys had to take a step back and recognize like yeah you're who you are but there's a whole there's a thing happening yeah right here right next to you and obviously we saw that were dope beautiful yeah i mean and it all came together eventually like the mutual respect between the guys and stout and next step up with t ui now it's like all just one big beautiful contemporary blossoming place it's all balsam it's all balsam it's all balsmore that's the thing that We may not like him, Chapman, but it's us against you at every step.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Exactly. And ended as such a big part of that now. Yeah. It's like, it's really cool. It's been cool to witness, like, in real time the way that you guys have taken the torch and become, like, the active Baltimore. Man, like, you guys are flying the flag for Baltimore in hardcore the most. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:44 Thank you. It's just great to see. it's such a special place and hardcore is so unique there there's something about it that is so real authentic yeah

Starting point is 00:13:59 and just seeing it seen it happen with you and I will get into the birth of end it because I am connected to it in some way I'm still my sliders are still a little gas that you ask me about fucking malicious code I didn't expect you ask me about

Starting point is 00:14:14 I don't expect malicious code to come out at all, though. I forget I was in the Kobe. We're getting there, Kea. I got some stuff for you. Oh, shit. Speaking of which, you know, I know you love Stout, I know you love Baltimore hardcore, I know you love TUI. And before I ask you this, I'm happy to cut this if you need me

Starting point is 00:14:32 too. You good. When in your life did you develop an affinity for the band screwdriver? All right, so when I first learned, you can't say I have an affinity from driver. I have a love to be absurd.

Starting point is 00:14:49 All right? Let's start. Remember, I'm a fucking punk. I'm a punk rocker in Skinhead before all this other shit. And I still, I got into it for the shock value of things. But I also, you know, people play these songs. Because, like, I don't think people understand. Driver, I learned about screwdriver way before I learned about hardcore.

Starting point is 00:15:12 Wow. Oh, wow. Because, like, you know, you hang out with your boys. the internet just came out can't listen to this crazy ass song and it blew my mind that people would sit around and write music like that but it's always so it's catchy

Starting point is 00:15:27 and I just be blown away like what the fuck it's so shocking that you can't help but just like play that again I grew up in the church we listen to hip hop my whole family black I didn't know white boys were sitting around

Starting point is 00:15:44 writing songs about black people That's fair. Because why we would, we would never do that. Yeah. No, no black person has ever sat around a road like a, don't write like an anti-establishment song. Yeah. But ain't nobody in the history of negative ever sat around and thought about white people that much

Starting point is 00:16:01 to write a song. I don't think, I want them, I don't think about white people that often. And it's weird that others do. That's fair. But then I learn these songs and now I may and may not have a song title, texting on my song. Fantastic. Perfect answer.

Starting point is 00:16:20 Tell me about picking up dead bodies for a living. That was sick. I enjoyed that job. I did that during the pandemic. Really? Yeah. That's a scary time to be doing that. In what capacity?

Starting point is 00:16:35 What were you? So I was an agent of the state of Maryland representing the state anatomy board. The state anatomy board is if you pass away, unexpectedly and don't have funeral arrangements, but you also, like you were just sick. If you were sick and passed away, and you didn't have the money for a funeral and sometimes, or like, you don't just need to be held, you go to the state anatomy board. Or if you donated your body to the state of anatomy board, I would come get you.

Starting point is 00:17:07 Wow. Yeah. There might be some people that are ready to go, just the chance that you might come get them. I mean, people are odd. So were, so were you going to like, like, oh, yeah, we gave this old lady had a wellness check. Turned out she, she passed away. You're doing shit like that. And then like, like, you walk in and it's like, oh, this woman, this woman has set in this child and been dead for like a week and a half.

Starting point is 00:17:34 Wow. Sick. So that's, I mean, that's like, that's a dark thing to see during a dark time. But, you know, somebody's got to do it. Yeah, that, but I never viewed it as like dark. There were, I mostly, I get more freaked out when I would like get the body to the refrigerator facility and then like, look at how many people ask. Like, I, duh, for real, with every breath we take someone on this planet is passing away. Now, how many are you picking up a day?

Starting point is 00:18:08 It depends. Like, so I, it has up to the downs like everything else, but like the most. So you work a 12-hour, no, you work a 24-hour shift. Yeah. No, I work 12-hour shifts. And then on Sundays, Saturdays into Sunday, I will work on 24. So, like, sometimes, and of course, like 36 hours, if you really hustling and bustling, you can probably put hands on anywhere from 20 to 25 bodies in a 36.

Starting point is 00:18:39 But that's, like, a busy day. Yeah. Okay. That's like maybe someone passed away in the hospital, but the hospital can just hold on to the body before we go get it. So I may have to go to multiple hospitals. Yeah, right, right, right. Like fresh live, that day death, the most I interacted with like 10 families in a 36-hour period.

Starting point is 00:18:59 That someone, they had lost a loved one in that 36-hour period. Right. What was the most common cause of death? Cancer. Yeah. Every once in a while, because it was a, it was a, third party company. So he had the anatomy boy contract,

Starting point is 00:19:14 but he also serviced some funeral homes and other crematorium. So sometimes it's just like grandma passed away, peepafts away, and then other times it's like suicide. Ah. Yeah. Like I had to put a human brain in a bag. Oh.

Starting point is 00:19:31 Yeah. You, I mean, you have lived a fucking life, man. He was a vet and he barricaded the door. His old lady went to the market. Barricaded the door did himself. Damn.

Starting point is 00:19:42 Yeah. And then I was just like, so several pieces of brain had to go in this bag. And how was the pay for this job, if you don't mind me asking? Under the table. I mean like 1,400 every two weeks. Dynamite. Under the table during the pandemic.

Starting point is 00:20:00 So you can still get the good check if you need it. So here's the thing, though. As much as I do operate outside of the law, you know, I didn't steal any money during the pandemic. I didn't do any PPP loan. I didn't take any unemployment. I wish I'd got it on that, man. Like, man, every time my money's funny, I'm like, shit I fucking did it.

Starting point is 00:20:19 Should have did it, man. But, like, I don't know. The world was going through a real fucked up time. And, like, I knew I had a job. It was enough. You got to have a balance of things. So I'm not going to play the game. You did good.

Starting point is 00:20:32 You're a good man. Okay. So the year is 2014. Okay. We're at the Charm City Arts Space Yeah I am playing

Starting point is 00:20:44 I'm playing in this moment Twitching Tongues is playing We say hey this song is called Master Killer You Enter the Pit And headbutter guy Three times

Starting point is 00:20:56 His name is Ray Yeah You met him that day And now you play And end it together Yeah that's true That's beautiful stuff man Holy shit

Starting point is 00:21:08 So I'm a, obviously, I'd be having a drink into you with my shen. I'm doing, I'm hitting hard as fuck. Now, Ray, I never met Ray before. And Ray's of a similar elk to us, but he's a much nicer guy than we are, especially at that point in my life. I'm like, I'm gagged up, whatever. And Ray was like, man, you're really going for it out there. And I hadn't thought it was like, the fuck away from me. God, I love bringing people again.

Starting point is 00:21:38 I didn't, I know. I've done that to a couple guys, and I've apologized to him since. I'm from here. Yeah. Like, I don't, what, I'm polite and friendly to friends and friends. I don't know you. So how soon after that are you friend, friends with Ray? Shit, even when I showed up, that first day,

Starting point is 00:22:00 a malicious quote, um, of ended rehearsal, because I wrote give up the same day I joined the bank. Okay. um, Che walks me into the room and I'm like, I know you a little like, I knew these guys a little bit just from like, I just started working at the automobile and,

Starting point is 00:22:19 uh, like hanging out. I just moved into the city proper. Because when it was a living? I was living with someone. But, so yeah, probably like three years,

Starting point is 00:22:31 four years after that. Okay. Wow. So end it starts. You said Chea walked you into the room. Does End it. start associated with flat spot? Yep.

Starting point is 00:22:42 Beautiful. So obviously, you know, Che. Shout out, Che. Shout out, Che. Me and him, well, so, I got you in. So, like, there's a house up and handing off of 35th Street, 833, 35th Street, and a lot of punts.

Starting point is 00:23:01 I think Justice lived there at one point in time. Like, a lot of Hall Court guys have either slept in them couches or stayed in that house lived there. Sure. Che and Metray knew they had a band that they were working on, and then Che took me to the first end of practice, and that was it. So you were drafted in? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:19 Okay. Che was like, don't worry, guys. I got the guy. Well, I think Chey had initially, I think he went there with intentions to do it, to, like, be the vocalist himself. But I think he got there and was like, actually, I know a guy I better suited for him.

Starting point is 00:23:38 the style of music you're writing. Okay. And had you done any other band besides the code? So it was just... Malicious code ended. Damn. Flawless to Scott. But remember, though, I...

Starting point is 00:23:53 I've been performing my entire life. Exactly. So... And that's something we're going to get into very soon. Yeah. And just the... It's very evident that you were born for this rule. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:24:08 and I can only imagine how the guys on end it. I don't know what they're expecting. You know, they're like, okay, Chase says he's got a guy. I guess we got a guy. They struck, they hit the goddamn jackpot. So tell me about putting together the end at debut, immediately working with Flat Spot, how your dynamic grew within the band

Starting point is 00:24:32 because you guys weren't close. Yeah. And that's tough to do. So in turn, I mean, I can answer that point. I can get along with anybody. Unfortunately. It's just with the, for some reason, I decided to get into breakdown of the skateboards. So that's completely opposite from the whole way I was raised.

Starting point is 00:24:55 But also, I generally like to find them and see the good in people. So, like, these dudes are fine. You guys drink dead. When I was sing all like the same bands, let's just make music. like one of the biggest compliments I've ever gotten from the home when I found out my daughter was being she was being conceived

Starting point is 00:25:13 she had been conceived she was her mother was pregnant I was expressing like a little bit of anxiousness and nervousness and he was like Keel you're just dumb enough that what you're talking about won't affect you and he's never been more correct that's beautiful

Starting point is 00:25:27 but I didn't I never even considered having to assimilate to the group or like do I like these guys do I not like these guys. They already played the songs. I'm just here to write the songs and sing the music. I haven't even considered what they had going on in life for who they were as people.

Starting point is 00:25:45 These are just the guys I make music with. That makes so much sense. And I have witnessed firsthand. I guess I wouldn't call it a simulation. You're right. But just it's just authenticity. I just show up being. So that first year as a band,

Starting point is 00:26:05 did you guys play a ton did you tour it all how real did it get I believe within that first year because yeah Chee really facilitated at one point

Starting point is 00:26:19 you could have called Chey I managed like our first show was with the Cromags at the wind-up space and they had fucking Matthew on drums AJ Leeway on guitar

Starting point is 00:26:30 Craig had on bass and JJ for vocals. I was reading lyrics off a paper. Like, we had just wrote these songs like two weeks prior today, and we opened that. That's as good as a guess. That puts you on a great spot.

Starting point is 00:26:47 Yeah. And so generally held our hand and helped us get the EP out and all that. But in all honesty, I don't remember in the first couple years because, like, Ray had to stop drinking. But I was working, you know, I'm bouncing at the auto bar. I was working at a, I was working at a number. by here and doing all these other things. I had a kid on the way.

Starting point is 00:27:07 Right. I don't know. What were the expectations internally of end it at first? So all, the only thing Ray and I wanted to do was be the hardest band out of Baltimore because the band at the time that really got that Baltimore title did not deserve. Say no more. So that was a whole intention. We had no intentions of really playing it out or torn or anything.

Starting point is 00:27:30 It was, it just wanted to be like, yeah, his. 10 minutes of what actually is hardcore. I'll see you kids in hell. Beautiful. Wow. So it doesn't matter what you were doing as long as you were harder than them. As long as it was known, like, this is Baltimore Hawker. And at that point,

Starting point is 00:27:49 that's like a, yeah, 2016, that's like, you know, proud boys are doing that thing and motherfuckers are feeling bolding. I'm skinned. I'm hanging out with this crew back home. And like, we were putting belt the asshole niggins like sure you know it wasn't a joke it wasn't a joke and it really you did it it really bothered me to like wow I'm putting my freedom and my life on the line and shedding blood I'm shedding blood sweat and tears and motherfuckers get to just say oh we're from Baltimore I never

Starting point is 00:28:19 seen him before if he was really out there with us you'd be beating people to fuck down like we are 100% you don't come out to the buzz you don't go to certain shows I don't see you no way you're not doing the fuck I'm doing wow that's all it was about That's all it was about is just being like, God, there's a whole lot going on that if you came out and functioned,

Starting point is 00:28:39 you would see. Wow. Outstanding. And my God, you did. Now, am I in my mid-20s and got a kid? Yes.

Starting point is 00:28:50 Was my behavior very irresponsible and never chore or sometimes? By all means, ain't no fucking Nazis in my scene. At all. And you can confident, you can comfortably

Starting point is 00:29:02 in confidence. You're not coming around here with that bullshit. Period. As, as the number one Baltimore screwdriver fan, you can verify. Verify. Wow. We still do that goofy shit sometimes. Because, you know, it's all rooted in being an asshole. I make no songs of who I have. I'm not a good person. It's fine. You'll get over. I'm not you're authentic.

Starting point is 00:29:27 I'm a grown-ass man. I earn this. I'll be how ever fuck I want to be. Outstanding. I love it. Now, how far into end its career do you get into start singing the oldies before the set? Maybe four songs in. Like four sets. Oh, okay. So very early on, and I now know, for a fact, you don't know which one you're going to sing before a set starts. Never. You just have this unbelievable internal catalog of lyrics and melodies in your mind?

Starting point is 00:30:01 Oh, yeah. Like, I can, I mean, obviously, we never really didn't around on tour. You can just put a song on. If it's a popular song, I probably know it. Yeah. Across all genres. So if you were on that show beat Shazam, you beat Shazam? I might be able to beat Shazam.

Starting point is 00:30:21 Unbelievable. Beechazam, if you're watching. I've got the guy for you. Where would you say that comes from, Akil? that like you just grew up listening to the radio? Yeah, just growing up. So my old man was born in 49 and my mom was born in 57. Like my dad had me when he was 41.

Starting point is 00:30:43 Wow. Wow. He was 41 and nine years away from retiring from a steel mill after 30 years. So I grew up with old people. I went to a black Baptist church. My grandparents were born in the 20s and I knew them. So like, of course, we got the radio. We got the hip-hop, us, the 90s.

Starting point is 00:31:02 but like I would come home and Lou Rawls was on and Prince and we listened to the classic rock station because my old man told me growing up there was no specified like just to hip-hop this to R&B that's the country station this is classic rock it was just the radio just music okay so you grow you're an appreciation for all styles of music

Starting point is 00:31:25 so you're a student of the game I like music period like you know how you'll be on like okay QFit or hens and tunders, some shit, which I don't use, Mom, if you watch. And I won't be on that. He doesn't do that, mom. I don't. I talk to him in real life.

Starting point is 00:31:39 But if you're on there, and you'll see, like, I like ball music, but not country. It's like, fucking porn, boy. You like all music. I just like music. So your hypothetical bio, so your MySpace music section went absolutely insane. It's a mess. Oh, what else did I have to do? It was 18.

Starting point is 00:32:02 years long. Unbelievable. Do you, would you say you like touring? I do it. I do it. That's a great answer. Front page.

Starting point is 00:32:20 I do it. I mean, so, obviously, you boys have toured. Your first tour, you pump. Yeah. Your second tour. You're still pumped. Yeah. Your eighth ninth tour.

Starting point is 00:32:32 Just tired. God damn. What is the band dynamic like by this point? By the time you guys are like constantly steady touring, who's the little fucker? Who's the sleepy guy? Who's the dad? So Pat Martin and Chris Gonzalez are mutually the dad. Okay.

Starting point is 00:32:57 That makes sense. Occasionally Pat Martin is your weekend. Oh, interesting. You see Papa Paddle. on the weekend. He got shit to be during the week. But Chris is always dead. He's keeping the ship afloat. You got me and Big John.

Starting point is 00:33:18 We're ripped wrong, buddy. I'm a little bit. I have to be more responsible than Johnny because I am representing. I'm the face of the bay and whatever. Yeah. But me and Big John are a problem. If you're going to have a problem, it's probably going to be out of me and Johnny. And Ray,

Starting point is 00:33:37 ever since Ray stopped drinking and like he started to deal with some of his personal issues Rachel. He's just dead. He's really in his, he's in his head. Okay. Yeah. He's just thinking.

Starting point is 00:33:49 He's just thinking. You heard the riffs. I've heard him. So he's the riffman. He's a, he's a rickman. Okay. Like Ray,

Starting point is 00:33:56 one of our first tours, I'm hanging out with Ray and he's just like, he used to do this thing called Mouth guitar where he was like, he was like, he like this rick, bag, big, bag, bag, back, back, back, he just beat. He just beat all.

Starting point is 00:34:07 the time. You got to do it. You got to do it. I mean, we're maestro. And he mentioned the term follow picking. I had never heard of it. And then he showed me what it was. And I was like, oh, yeah,

Starting point is 00:34:18 use that, do that, do that. I like that. That's what that is. I like that word. I never forgot that word. Do you consider yourself a hater? Yes. Of the highest one.

Starting point is 00:34:36 Talk to me. I woke up I went up yelling about this this morning because should I talk about that or you want to just

Starting point is 00:34:46 hear about hate I want to hear I want to hear what you've been hating lately yeah I want to hear what you start

Starting point is 00:34:52 hate in general you boys you boys got the internet you're right oh I'm all over I'm scrolling doom scrolling brain rodip

Starting point is 00:35:01 don't care I learned about this thing called and everything shot yeah I didn't know that that was a thing.

Starting point is 00:35:09 I'm going to say I only saw Caucasian women talking about it. So I guess it's like there's like levels to showering. I was not aware. It was like, oh, well, there's just a shower to leave the house.

Starting point is 00:35:22 And then there's an everything shower when I exfoliate, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I don't know about any of that. Exactly. Can you just do it and shut the fuck up? No, wait a minute, wait a minute. If you're in a rush, if you just got, got home,

Starting point is 00:35:36 got back from sweating, But you got to, you have to shower and you got somewhere to go. Well, I think there's long showers and there's short shower. And that's all this is. That's all this is. But they got, they got more steps. But what's called? It's called a shower, but you're just washing your eyes.

Starting point is 00:35:54 And you should be thankful that you got running water and a place to wash it. Yeah, but we're talking shaving. We're talking grooming and all kinds of prep. That's everything. And that's everything. And I get that. No, I totally comprehend the label, right? Gotcha.

Starting point is 00:36:10 But also, shut the fuck up. Like, I hate that the internet always, well, what's some other shit I saw another day? This woman basically gentrified leading. She took some Z-Quil, put it in a cup, started adding shit to it and started it. And like, yeah, that's drug abuse. You're a drug addict. Oh, that's what land is. Do your drugs and shut the fuck up.

Starting point is 00:36:32 No one fucking cares. Like, that's how good you got it. people are being killed. We sitting here trying to make showers more interesting. Right. It's like Bo's a protein soda thing. Nah, that was cool though.

Starting point is 00:36:45 But they're doing it with sleeping stuff, which is kind of, kind of sick. But Bo's not trying to push it on me by like being in a towel with a little bit of titty-me show and talking about everything shower. I see that you breath is.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Ah, I see. Now I didn't factor that in. Wash your ass and shut the fuck up. Right. Wash your ass and shut the fuck on. I would love to know two things. What's up? What is a thing that you like hate the most?

Starting point is 00:37:16 That is the most common popular. Like a thing that like you see you can't stand. So a thing that I do and I do with every band and I have to eat pro often and apologize but it's who I have. Some band will come out and if like too many of the wrong people like it, I fucking hate it. without engagement. I can't give it a non-biased engagement because I have that much disdain

Starting point is 00:37:41 for what's going on. I mean, that is a tale as old as time where sometimes the fan base misrepresents what you're hearing. You know? As a typo-negative guy, I can't stand for what

Starting point is 00:37:55 the majority of that world is. Yeah. It's not your bag. It's not my bag, but the tunes are the tunes. When you feel that way about a band and then like 10 years later something happens and you go, I knew it. I knew it.

Starting point is 00:38:08 I knew it. It won't just be about a band. It's always like about a guy too. You know what I mean? Like I'll meet someone and everyone's like fucks with this guy but something in my spirit is like nah. And then you find out like oh yeah, you try to put his penis and girls when they sleep. I knew something's wrong with. I knew

Starting point is 00:38:24 it. And or even worse when I go to press a motherfucker out and then people like, no, don't do it. Why did you do that? And then years later, that that person got comfortable. And when I should have broke his hand, you guys didn't want me to break his hand. Now he was using his hands and commit atrocity. But I could have took his hands away. Is it not every time? Every single time. Every single time. Okay. Now the opposite of my question. Yes. What's something that you

Starting point is 00:38:50 fuck with? Something maybe maybe that you secretly fuck with that you should hate. Bowling? Lo. Bowling is one of the things that I wish so badly to be good at. I'm so bad. at it. You would not believe. You would not believe how awful. I have in my life gotten a gutter ball with bumpers.

Starting point is 00:39:16 You just bounced it over. You wouldn't believe it. And the thing is you two are sober. Yeah, yeah. No pictures of beer. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It just So it doesn't go where I want it to go. Dude, I took, so one of the one of the gym class

Starting point is 00:39:34 you could take as a junior or senior in my high school was off campus. And for a couple months, you would go bowling. Yeah. Every day, you'd go to a bowling alley. I should be great. And if I score near 80, I'm like, holy shit, I had a good game. You guys just got to come bowl with me. I would love that.

Starting point is 00:39:52 So you've hit that, have you hit a turkey, three strikes in a row? My highest games are 289. Oh, my God. I used to bowl with dudes who had like 20 and 30, 300 games. really if i get over a hundred yeah yeah i could shed a tear yeah it feels like you're like i can i fucking did it you know all it is i'm gonna tell you guys exactly what you're doing you gotta be that's why we exaggerate so much while we do it but if you keep that arm straight and just fucking throw it straight that's where it's gonna go you get so hyped up on throwing it hard

Starting point is 00:40:27 that you cross your body yeah i cross yeah it's exactly that ball's doing much more damage than you believe when you moderate the At any rate, we can do this in real life something. I would love that, dude. We should do an episode where we bowl. Yeah, we're coming to Baltimore. We're coming to Baltimore. We're going to go bowling.

Starting point is 00:40:42 Well, I have a newfound pet peeve that I've finally come to terms with that I've been waiting to talk about. Oh, do you tell. In an event with audience participation. When the first applause isn't loud enough. Oh, I see. You can do better than that. Let's hear it one more time. And if I have to do the second applause, I am promptly leaving the room.

Starting point is 00:41:14 I don't want to be here anymore. I'm out. If I wasn't what I, my best wasn't good enough, then I don't want to give you anymore. Especially when it's like, no, no, this is Omaha. Let's hear it. Yeah, yeah. Then I'm going to fucking Tulsa, okay? That's a good one.

Starting point is 00:41:33 Performative fake stage shit is really rough. Like choreography and whatnot? No, like speaking, just like, just like the bullshit. You tour with the band, you hear a lot of the same shit every night, and I don't, I hate that. I don't want to hear the same. Okay, but also good on you guys, because that would imply that I'm watching the other bands on tour.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Well, one thing I will say. Even on the drain tool, like, you know, all excellent bands every night. And like when the new band would hop on, definitely watch them out of respect the first night. But like, you know how it is. I need to shower. I may be not eating well. I'm dealing with something. But I do still feel bummed that I didn't watch tear everyone.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Yeah, that's that's a car that's fair. That's one of them. That's fair. That's one of them. Like, I'm so, I'm so actually tired. But fuck, I want to go see Terry. Shout out Scott Woll. Shout on my three, John.

Starting point is 00:42:29 Nick Jay. The greatest. Well, that's Tell me about Balancing Touring with such incredible bands And fatherhood The mother of my child

Starting point is 00:42:42 Has a baby And I have a little girl I occasionally talk to It's unfortunate There's really no balance You know Like she's at the point now I can FaceTime

Starting point is 00:42:52 I can call her But like You know time Time margins on What you're gonna do Yeah So when I come home I make time to go see it

Starting point is 00:43:00 But other than that, daddy's out here living his life. It's hard. But, you know, I do think as she gets older, she will, you know, see what you've spent your life doing and, like, what you are building for yourself and, and appreciate it. Because I was there. I've never been, like, doing all this tour is really the fathers I've ever been from. I've always been to my kids like.

Starting point is 00:43:26 Right. But, you know, you do six weeks, eight, weeks in. X amount of weeks. It's a lot. But I do believe, luckily the band's like doing something. My only saving grace some days like to not feel as guilty

Starting point is 00:43:39 is the fact like I'm not just some SoundCloud rapper. Yeah. Like as much as like my, my finances may mimic that the Sound Club rapping. I'm not, you know, like we are doing bigger shows. We're getting opportunities.

Starting point is 00:43:53 So hopefully it'll, if I could get a 2006 Honda accord at the end of all is, And at least it was, she could have it. Amen. And it'll last forever. I'd kill for that. It's a Honda. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:44:07 Beautiful. So 20-20 hits and you've got your next record finally. Yeah. One-way track. Ooh. You know, big record for you guys. You played off it for years, but also you had a little pandemic in the way. What was that like for you guys?

Starting point is 00:44:27 How badly did that stall your people? plans. So again, shout out Chris. We put, we made it to merch. In the middle of the pandemic, was able to donate some money to some places. Of course, like, we all, you know, we all didn't know what was coming.

Starting point is 00:44:46 So we probably, there are probably moments were like, shit, this is it. That's why I went so hard to picking up bodies thing. Because I was like, I've always wanted to own a crematorium or something. So I get my foot in the door and I get to pick up bodies. All right. So that was like an aspirational

Starting point is 00:45:01 career choice. That was not just like, I guess I'll pick up the bodies. So it was a... Wow. I always wanted to do it, but I've never wanted to go to college. And in order to be like a mortician or a funeral director, you got to go to college. And I don't want to fucking do that because I want to go to a hardcore show. So I was on Indeed and came across that job.

Starting point is 00:45:22 It was like, I've always wanted to do this. Sick. And then the pandemic half and I was like, well, this is it. And that's the time we're like, Like people were not jumping for that job, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. No. No.

Starting point is 00:45:35 Not at all. It was such a guilt. For real, so many fucking people died during the pandemic. It was insane. It was insane. And just, and it was a lot of like, so it was a lot of like heavy weight people. Because, you know, this is, again, your respiratory. Respiratory.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Yeah. Of course. And, you know, depending on how much adipose tissue you got on your body, it's going to weigh down and all that. I'm not a doctor. I pick up a lot of bariatric patients. Like, one day. the first three, somewhere between three to five bodies

Starting point is 00:46:05 I put hands on, everyone was like over six foot and over 350 pounds. Wow. And to raise that cot, lower that cot, and you like kind of got a deadlifted. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:17 Yeah. And like, I got to get it in the truck. And sometimes you're going downhill. Sometimes you're going uphill. And you just got to get the, and then when you get to the place, you got to get that weight off of the table

Starting point is 00:46:29 onto this table. So the one silver, silver lining there is that you know a lot of people gained weight during the pandemic you got fucking I look he did get jack because I was not like crazy cut that you know you got to work out

Starting point is 00:46:43 you go to pick someone out you know people saw you know people saw you out you don't see your friends for a while sometimes you see each other you go oh shit oh shit yeah but people saw you post pandemic and they're like damn dude good job was it just you working so like if it was like a house call

Starting point is 00:46:59 depending on the scenario, you would have some assistance. But like if you were just going to pick up a body from a hospital or a nursing home, like if the beds were able to raise up and down, you can just transfer them to your cot, they'd send you by yourself. I got you.

Starting point is 00:47:15 Okay. So did you guys get to do much touring or play much off of one-way track? Not because if we dropped it, I want to say January, February of 2020. It was January. It was January 2020 and then the world shut down.

Starting point is 00:47:33 Damn. But you came back hard and I think Unpleasant Living is like, this makes you guys. Thank you. I think this is where I see end it for the first time. Was it the F. It was the first? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:50 So that was the thing where it was like, I'm arriving. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I show up as you're starting. and I'm like, all right, I got this gear, but I'll watch a song. And I end up staying the entire time. And my God, is that rare. And I do think such a huge part of that is just like, my God, the singer's got it.

Starting point is 00:48:13 Yeah. My God, he's doing it. Yeah. So tell me about unpleasant living, starting the whole, the kind of proper, like, fest and tour circuit with that record. New Age slavery just as a song, just hitting, as a hardcore song in general. Tell me about that time and putting that record together. So, Madi, picking up bodies.

Starting point is 00:48:41 I'm a dad. I'm like getting off work to immediately, like, I'll get off work at 6 a.m. Her mom would drop her off at 7. I'd have the baby from like 7 to 4, get some rest to go back to work at 6 a.m. I don't like to harp on the drugs and alcohol and for any children or any vulnerable people

Starting point is 00:49:05 you got to take everything I save with a grain of salt this shit worked for me I'm lucky a lot of drinking a lot of drug abuse and that's just like in response to the pandemic nah I don't write that down but like in response to the pandemic

Starting point is 00:49:18 and just like the world the state of the world at that time and we've already had our plativities like we all drank We either did drink or do drink. So it was just rip-roaring, brother. Either you drink or I get off a shift here. I'm bouncing at the club here.

Starting point is 00:49:35 I got my kid. So Ray would send me songs and I just write to him. You know, like no crazy inspiration, no nothing in life. Just like, this is how I feel right now. We got a song. And all that's how it's real. Those first two albums, dog, I did a lot of that writing, like, in the studio day of.

Starting point is 00:49:53 If it's racetrack and guitars, I'm writing lyrics because that's just the way my life was at that moment, time. It was hecked. Any lyrics or choices you made that you would go back and change? Like, are any lines which you're like, oh, fuck. No, that is one thing we don't do. We definitely are. He ain't going to say no corny shit out left. I've definitely come.

Starting point is 00:50:20 I've definitely, I've definitely made me. once tried to draft my death style mimics my lifestyle and someone's like hey don't do that that's that's the one frantic lyrics are the one thing you can have a frantic outline

Starting point is 00:50:38 but you gotta have to put your eagle to the side and let the boys read it so you don't say something that's too hey fair is fair this is the time where you guys decide you're not the goal isn't just be the hard artist man in Baltimore.

Starting point is 00:50:55 But take the show on the road. So remember how I mentioned at the beginning? I'm kind of dumb. I never viewed it as it. I just viewed it as, oh, people like it. They want us to come play here. So it was never like, oh, we're, yeah, we need to go show people

Starting point is 00:51:12 that like we can do it in New York and we can play here. It was just like someone wants us to come play Peky. You want to go play Peky? Yeah, and J. Mineforth wanted us to play with him. Let's go to Pakechipi. Cool. You know what I mean? Like it never...

Starting point is 00:51:26 So there was never like an active... What'd you say, both? I'm sorry. So there was never like an active like, all right, guys, we're going for it starting now. It was just... Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Opportunities are coming. If anything, this moment, like me talking to y'all in this time of the band, we're putting the mindset on like, oh, shoot, we can actually make something happen with this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:46 Which is why we're taking the album seriously. And I'm showing up with things written. We're taking it more professionally. but it was really mumbling stumble this whole time just like I mean with with with utmost grace it seems

Starting point is 00:52:01 yeah I don't remember we come from that hardcore tradition dog like I'm not I'm not nobody I'm a motherfucker from Baltimore who like hardcore that's all that's happening

Starting point is 00:52:12 that's all I need creatively seriously I don't know I don't have no fucking idea I got here I just like going to shows. I think breakdowns are cool

Starting point is 00:52:23 hardcore set. I like your flip. Do you have a favorite tour you guys have done yet? They all have stellar moments. And I'm appreciative of all of them. So I can't really say like there's there was one tour that was just like,

Starting point is 00:52:43 oh my goodness. Are there some stellar moments that come to mind that you would share with me? You bet me. Yeah, let's see. How about the first time we played fucking Los Angeles. Wow.

Starting point is 00:53:00 And this is with another iteration of the band. We played, we hop on, we weren't necessarily supposed to play this show on tour, but we hop on the show on the last second. We played that band Count Time. Out of LA. Some drama. We just played with Count Time in LA.

Starting point is 00:53:19 We pull into La Puente. and like I look the way I look I got these three four white boys in tow and like we walk into places you can just feel because like we had our old drummer and our old basses were more like hunk rockers as opposed to like

Starting point is 00:53:37 so Chris was not an original member of the band not Chris wasn't the original drummer wow yeah no Chris was on that first West Coast store but like our old bassist he you know he wore like leather jackets and it was just himself he's just like a regular punk dude. But, like, we could, we all,

Starting point is 00:53:54 you could feel it when we walk in the room, like, the fuck is going on ahead. Oh. And that night somebody, like, these two women tried this. They saw one of our dudes walking back to our hotel room, and, like, they came up,

Starting point is 00:54:06 started knocking on the door, and they were like, oh, no, we're trying to get in. And this went off like 10, 15 minutes, and then, like, they tried to push through the door, and, like, they walk away. And, like, we peek out the door to see what's going on as, like, two guys,

Starting point is 00:54:20 and there with the two women and they all huddled up like trying to get in our room. And now what, I'm me telling you this is second hand because the whole time I'm laid up in the bed, half sleep, half of wait, talk about, fuck it, let them in. Why? Like, they were, it's

Starting point is 00:54:38 funny in that moment, they were definitely mad at it. They're like, what do you mean? I was like, there's too much running around. Y'all need a door. Lay down. If they get in, they they're up this shit, I'm tired. Like, That's one. Okay.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah. Damn. Wow. What's a... Yeah, what's a more recent one? I kicked a kid off stage in London. That was funny. Love that.

Starting point is 00:55:04 I stopped doing it. I stopped doing a fucking gooberer outbreak. You know, the kids do that army crawl bullshit. Don't do that when I'm playing. No. Speaking of, have you seen... Have you seen what Drain have popularized? Not what they did.

Starting point is 00:55:19 Smart. People doing the... row thing. So he tells everybody to jump on the people rowing and then the whole crowd is just dog pile. It's just a big pile. It's really way. Wait, kids are rowing to the drone?

Starting point is 00:55:32 Yeah. God damn it. It makes me so mad. It's like a metal thing. Yeah, that's a middle thing. Totally. And then, but then because, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:42 gatekeeping is at an all-time low and more and more people are going to shows, you get this crossover of behavior. See? and that's completely opposite of what we traditionally have done as hardcore kids. Like, my nephew the other day, he bent down the tie shoe, and instinctually I just stood in front of him. And he's like, what are you doing? I was like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:56:04 Somebody's going to kill you, man. You can't do this. Or in the parking lot when your father is all this car is. Exactly. That's just good instincts. Yeah. So why he was sit on the ground while a band is playing. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:56:18 So it's same. why would you army crawl across the stage? Especially after I've been hawking loogies on it the whole time. Yeah, that's nasty. Yeah, there's like spit and sweat and shit on the front head. You wouldn't believe the way I can rock it's not. Straight up. You should not put your hands on this stage if I'm up to.

Starting point is 00:56:36 Also, the way you know, you go to give, you know, when someone gave you the mic when you were younger, you kind of embraced. You took it. You took it. But like, we're here together. You didn't grab my rest at full. They're animals.

Starting point is 00:56:51 Yo, a motherfucker. That's fucking drunk pass of shit in Hamburg, Germany. You took a gable grip and tried to yank me off the stage. He grabbed my ankle with like a gable grip and fucking... I got a few of those that some people can back up. The thing

Starting point is 00:57:07 that I can't take now that's happening a lot is people grabbing my shirt and pulling me. Dude. I'm going to strike you as hard as I can. You don't pull the shirt, man. I really like this shirt. I love. I love. That's why I'm wearing it. I'm specifically like, look how cool this fucking shirt is.

Starting point is 00:57:24 I thought it was worthy of presenting to all of you. And guess what? If you're nice enough to me, I may take it off and give it to you. 100%. I think that it sounded fair. That's nice of you. That carhart shirt. It was gold foil.

Starting point is 00:57:38 It said, Carl Hart on the front. I remember it, yeah. And I was walking around and it. And he was like, yeah, can you take a picture? And I said, sure. He's like, I really fuck with that shirt. And I was like, you want it? And he's like, what?

Starting point is 00:57:49 I was like, it's covered in dirt and it's gross, but you can have it. I dig that. What I'm going to do, go wash it? All you got to do is not pull on your favorite singer's shirt. Don't get it. And he may just give it to you. I may just give it to you. If you ask nice enough, I'll probably say yes.

Starting point is 00:58:06 I'll be giving, that's why they don't let me sell merch. If you've seen genuinely enough, like, you don't have any money, I'll give me a shirt. You'll just give it to him. Especially a young kid, all young kids. And don't fucking play with me. But like, if you had just enough money to get into the show, like, if you're a young black and brown kid, you had enough money to get in the show. And I'm talking like 15 and under. If you finally, come out of that.

Starting point is 00:58:29 I'll probably give me a show. That's beautiful. That's on the record now, so I'm sorry. That's out there. You're going to watch this in 10 years. Don't get up. You have fucking five motherfuckers come ask me for a certain at the same time. The answer will be no.

Starting point is 00:58:43 But a one-off every once while, I ain't going to break the ball. My dad's rationale for, so I was a lot of, so I was a lot of, you know, very honest growing up and going to the Cobalt Cafe going to shows was like, Dad, I need 10 bucks for a shirt, trust me. And his rationale was that whatever it was, it was going to be cheaper than

Starting point is 00:59:02 something at Walmart or Target. So he was like, all right, I'm happy to make you happy because it's still saving me money somehow. Yeah. You got a healthy outlet. You're out of my house. You got clothes. I mean, he still cannot believe straight edge.

Starting point is 00:59:20 Really? Every day he's like coolest thing ever. It's so fucking cool. It's so fucking cool. He told you kids out and do this. And he don't have to share with me, you know?

Starting point is 00:59:31 Yeah. It's huge. My dad never got it. One time he got mad at me for swearing somewhere, like online or something. And he was like, why are you swearing? You're straight edge.

Starting point is 00:59:41 Like he didn't get it. He thought it meant like Boy Scout. Yeah. My dad used to do something similar with the skinhead thing. You're like, you'll walk around and be a fucking skinhead. I'm like, me,

Starting point is 00:59:52 forgetting to do the dishes does that agree with me. I don't know who you actually mad at right now. Unbelievable. We are so sorry about this interruption, but I've got to talk to you guys

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Starting point is 01:04:38 When in this does stand up come along for you? Just like with the opportunities, like all of the getting on the tour, the festival circuits and shit like that. The songs, the songs are chosen. I have no idea what I'm going to say in between each song. I just get up on stage and start talking. And then eventually somebody goes, hey, do you want to do just that for being somewhere? Ian was like, hey, I'm doing this thing in L.A. just for Sounding Fury. You want to go do stand up?

Starting point is 01:05:10 I was like, I don't have anything written. He's like, you'll be fine. And how was it? Everyone said it went well It's no different than being on the stage Yeah how long did you do Anyway from like two to three minutes Yeah

Starting point is 01:05:26 I don't do it Did you enjoy it? Yeah like I wouldn't see me doing that Full time so like I respect comedy a lot Yeah And I know I could obviously be a stand-up comedian But I don't

Starting point is 01:05:42 I just don't see me doing that. Yeah. You know, a lot of people, people put in a lot of hard work and effort. And if the comedy world is anything like the hardcore world, I wouldn't, I wouldn't fuck with me. You got to start over. You got to get. I also think there's a different amount of ego needed to say to the world, I'm so

Starting point is 01:06:04 fucking funny and I need to be paid for it. versus I am I love music and I just want to make it you know I just like I just like talking but if someone wants to offer me money to be funny I'm going to do so that's what I think is is so interesting about it is it's the only music you go to see music live you're experiencing it in some way like all these different avenues for art are one thing but comedy stand up is the only thing where you're going with the expectation to be made to laugh. I'm going to have the best fucking time. I'm paying.

Starting point is 01:06:42 I'm paying you and you better fucking make me laugh, which is kind of a crazy concept. Because when we're on stage playing music, I don't give a shit how you're feeling. Like, you're here. If anything, I can see, I can see myself kind of doing

Starting point is 01:06:57 a, like, Rawlins' spoken word type thing as opposed to what is. stand-up comedy. I mean, that shit is, a lot of that is straight-up stand-up. It's funny. So I would, I would be the first ticket sold. What you say? I was saying about it.

Starting point is 01:07:15 I was saying, Rollins had like a Comedy Central special special. I remember, like, way back in the day, yeah. And it was, dude, I think that is just a spoken word thing that Comedy Central aired as comedy because it's funny. Yeah, that makes sense.

Starting point is 01:07:28 Yeah, I'll probably end up doing more like a lecture, spoken word type thing as opposed to like a come here and laugh thing. If the shit just happens to be funny, it's funny, but but do you know what I think can never mix? Stand up at a hardcore show.

Starting point is 01:07:47 Oh, like we've tried it. We've tried it. You can't do it. This poor kid. They won't, not yet. They don't have the attention span. They're not right. They're not in the space for it. Yeah. To laugh. They're in there for violence

Starting point is 01:08:04 and God, they should be. It ain't a time for laughter. It's like, if I was talking too long in between songs and some kids was like, shut the fuck up. I'd be like, you're right. Yeah, this one's called. You know what? I don't even know what I'm talking.

Starting point is 01:08:21 This next song's called. Yeah, yeah. Is there a band you've played with or toured with that really made you feel like, God damn, Akele, you did it, man. Yeah. We made it Well, we did those couple days with

Starting point is 01:08:37 Gorilla Biscuits And I got to like Introduce myself to Sid and Sid was like I got to follow that But I was like sorry, bud That's pretty cool But also we're a guerrilla Biscuits Like you'll be fine

Starting point is 01:08:51 100% yeah But that one and when we told with Well shit suicidal tendencies And it was like H2O suicidal judge That tour That really secure sure, like, oh, wow, hardcore rules.

Starting point is 01:09:06 Yeah, it really does. I know you did at least a show with Life of Agony, which was that full circle after listening to them on the jukebox at the Blarney Stone? Hell yeah. How you know about that? I don't know. But you let you know about singing L.O.A. at the Stone at max volume. Pissing everybody off.

Starting point is 01:09:25 But we're fucking 15 deep in this bitch. Who won it? Exactly. And then you're playing with him. Yeah. And then we play with him. Yeah, that was bad ass They came back to Baltimore

Starting point is 01:09:38 A second time And we all like Sitting in VIP just like screaming from the side of the state And he was funny as hell To see like other people in the front Because it's like a little separated And people just looking at us like Who the fuck?

Starting point is 01:09:51 What the fuck is going on here? It's like six dudes Six dudes and three girls are screaming Eloy hard as hell I love my family That's what it's all about Beautiful Now tell me about this LP that we got coming

Starting point is 01:10:03 So what can I expect musically? What is the Moshability on the scale of zero to ten? And when can we expect this? So right now, it's looking at least later, like, we'll be done late January, early February. I think everything would be tracked and recording. Anywhere from 12 to 14 songs? Damn. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:32 Big boy. I believe. There's a cover in there. Beautiful. And like the band we're covering is, look at this way. I literally got permission to cover the song. So, yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:47 Beautiful. My stability, no exaggeration, 7.8 out of 10, maybe even an 8.5. That is, I really, the humbility there, really. The humbility matches,

Starting point is 01:11:02 the mausciability and I really respect that. Like we, you know, I listen to him and I'm like, well, fuck. I don't listen to them like, oh man, I hope people like these songs. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be on the road some more. Okay. That's what's up.

Starting point is 01:11:16 I like that. Ooh, that got me, it gave me chills a little bit. That was good. Yeah. Next time we're all around each other in real life. Hollad me. I'll let you listen to it. I would love that.

Starting point is 01:11:28 I, you know, I do think it's time. The people are ready. We're ready. I'm excited to see just what this thing does. Yeah. So the potential for End it is the sky. Has End it been to Europe yet?

Starting point is 01:11:45 I just came home from Europe a week ago. Talk to me. How do you feel? We were with Black Spot World Tour, Life's Question, mortal form, us, speed. Am I missing? I don't know, but that, I mean, that's a hell of a tour to do Europe with. My bad, and the motherfucking Wistfusset. Shout out Wistler.

Starting point is 01:12:08 Well, yeah, Whistford. Incredible man. Some of the besties. Tell me about that tour. Tell me about your other times going to Europe. How are your experiences there? Yeah. So this is our second bus tour. And that was cool.

Starting point is 01:12:24 Huge. I'm, obviously, I've done it three times now. So, like, I understand, like, people aren't staring at me because they're, like, Like what the fuck is he doing here? They're more so staring because like, that's just what they do over there. Yeah. It's just accepting different cultures. There's no filter.

Starting point is 01:12:43 There's always going to be some, something racially motivated that happens in Europe. Like, you know. 100%? It's here. It's here. I know what I'm going to. They're behind. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:54 And so, in some, their food. You ever notice how Europe the food almost tastes like what it's supposed to taste like? Yeah, it almost tastes like food. It all it's like you were so close Why did you put cheese sauce on top of the entire burger All right fuck I guess I'll eat this They're just missing those beautiful Unknown chemicals that we know and love

Starting point is 01:13:20 MSG Oh it's the best I had an epiphany the other day about Europe Epiphany I don't think I've shared this yet But I'll tell me if you find this to be accurate to what you went through. In

Starting point is 01:13:35 the states, we are when we were participating in this music specifically, have I said this before, Colin? I believe that we are a collection of individuals experiencing a live band. There are individuals all experiences. You've got people stage diving,

Starting point is 01:13:52 skanking, moshing, singing along, doing whatever. It's individuals doing a thing. In Europe, I believe the experiences, the community doing one thing, doing an individual experience. So if everyone's standing, everyone's standing. If everyone's stage diving, everyone's stage diving.

Starting point is 01:14:12 It's like, what are we all doing? That's the mindset in most of Europe, with the exception of the Glasgow guys and like certain pockets. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it's my epiphany. It goes in, you're not too far off

Starting point is 01:14:27 because you know how like they are with their politics and sometimes. Like, yeah, they are more so about the community doing the thing as opposed to, like, that guy's doing his own. Yeah, that, oh, he's, yeah. Thank God for that guy, man. But it's also, worldwide, that guy keeps going. As much as we hate their food and some of their customs, though,

Starting point is 01:14:49 I got to give credit where creditors do. You go play a venue. There's a kitchen. You're getting fed, freshly made food. And the sound is, there's a trust rig and lighting. and it sounds perfect because the government subsidizes this because. Yep. And again, that speaks to the whole, like, it's a community doing one thing.

Starting point is 01:15:09 But when you get to some of these lower scale tours, the government subsidizing those shows means that the promoter doesn't need to promote it as hard. At all. And my God. Or at all. Yeah, right. Yeah, or at all. And that is when it's like, I don't think I need to play.

Starting point is 01:15:28 play music, let alone listen to music anymore. But I'm glad you have not, you're not having that experience lately. As we're winding down, Colin, do you have any more end-it specific questions that you have there? Not towards end, but I do want to get into, you know... Yeah, because here's the thing.

Starting point is 01:15:49 The real shit. We're talking to a guy who picked up bodies, right? Yeah. I got to know. Akeel? Yep. You believe. believe in ghosts? No. I don't believe in like I've never seen and like outside of just like picking up

Starting point is 01:16:10 bodies. I've just been places. I feel I believe more like that energy. Okay. Like I've definitely walked into some places where I know something bad has happened. I'm like ooh that that that don't the energy in this room is all. Sure. But I don't believe in ghosts. I ain't ever seen no ghosts. are you open to it not really yeah I'm there with you I'm right

Starting point is 01:16:36 I'm wide open so if there's any ghost listening I welcome you I've I'll put the kettle on you know whatever you need I'm not I just yeah I never thought because I you talk like an apparition like you talk like you want to see a fucking ghost

Starting point is 01:16:52 I want the full Shabang I want a blue floating vaporized the apparition. Now, I do believe in poltergeist. Interesting. Like, I do believe like a spirit, like, someone died in this

Starting point is 01:17:07 apartment right now, and they didn't want me in here. I do feel like, I've experienced moments where like, yep, someone just cut that fucking light on. Don't know who did that. I'm leaving. Really? Now, see, I've never,

Starting point is 01:17:20 I've never seen like a ghost. That's something, though. That's definitely something. You're with me a little bit. You're with me a little bit there. Yeah. Because, like, I don't know, I've been in, like, say I'm in the same building of the hotels. Some of these hotels I used to work in Washington, D.C., definitely haunted. Oh, scary.

Starting point is 01:17:42 You know. So you believe in haunting? Matter of fact, you want to hear a story? Oh. I'm working. What's that motherfucker? John Edwards, crossing over. John Edwards.

Starting point is 01:17:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The medium. The medium. It was a live event. at a hotel out near BWI Airport. I'm working. I'm a technician for the group. I got microphone, one microphone on the stand and two on the outside so people can walk up and ask their questions.

Starting point is 01:18:15 He's got a lavalier on. He's walking around, interacting with people. He starts talking to this one woman. This event's been going on maybe two and a half hours at this point. He starts talking to that woman, and whatever they started talking about, her mic clicks out. John Edwards' mic clicks out.

Starting point is 01:18:34 Both of those debts go dead on my end. I hear feedback. God has a seizure. This event had been going on for two and a half hours. And in that moment, they were talking and it was just like, boo, boo, boo, boo, dude, both. And then the event was over. That's confirmed haunting.

Starting point is 01:18:52 Now, did he, did John Edwards acknowledge it? Did he say like, okay, something? No, everything happened so quickly. Because, like, the young man that fell out, he, like, passed out and then a woman's scream. And then it didn't get, like, chaotic, but, like, the event stopped. Wow. So that was the end. And that's just a fucking day in the life, John Edwards.

Starting point is 01:19:15 Yeah. Pretty much. He was, he was like, happened again. Did it again. Fucking hell, man. I am so good at my job. Interesting. Okay, so that's real.

Starting point is 01:19:29 But all my coworkers, I made. Because, you know, I am the way I am. I was like, someone almost crossed over, huh? No one laughed. Oh, that's genius. I didn't get one. I didn't even get a sympathy trouble. I would have stood up and applauded.

Starting point is 01:19:46 There's something wrong with my brain where, like, if I'm sitting in this room and I have the rest of my apartment is empty, and I hear something, I immediately go, oh, that's the hair stuff that I put on the shelf. My cat jumped up, and he was playing with it. That's all that was. I immediately like So when that that happens It sounds like oh something Like something tripped a breaker and these two packs died And then you know like I'm immediately

Starting point is 01:20:09 Tripping a breaker is not going to kill these two mic packs They're better operating He said the receivers died Yeah the receivers The two you know how wildest kids were The two that I had in front of me Like two of those cut out the same time They're making their mics cut out

Starting point is 01:20:27 And then that guy had a siege no explanation but like if the circuit would have blew all of my like everything would have died and my mixer good point it was trying to silence

Starting point is 01:20:42 just those microphones because they were getting too close to the truth yeah I'm here think about that John Edwards we gotta get John Edwards on to confirm this story

Starting point is 01:20:54 he probably wouldn't remember that you'd be like that was the fifth one that week. So when End it is touring. Yeah. This is very important. Yeah. Because I know End it can eat. What is

Starting point is 01:21:09 the place that unites the band in? You're flying down the road. You see that sign with all the places that you can stop. What's the one where you guys are all like oh, fuck yes. They got this. Let's go eat. I'm going to give you five. Because it all depends. You know how it is.

Starting point is 01:21:27 It all depends on where we that first and foremost, Taco Bell. Really? The boys will, because, you know, sometimes there's nothing, there's nothing else, but if the only thing left is Taco Bell, we're good. Yeah, yeah, totally. Because everybody can eat. Everybody can eat.

Starting point is 01:21:44 They got a diverse menu. It's fun. It's fun. We got vegan, vegan vegetarians in it? No. Okay. We need, we need the suffering in order to sell the suffering. I got you.

Starting point is 01:22:00 But what else? Culvers. Oh, beautiful. Outstanding. We're pulling over. We're pulling over. Oh, my God. What a menu.

Starting point is 01:22:11 Yeah. Amazing. I could eat there seven days a week and have a different meal every time. And I've said this before, but there's something so beautiful about the fact that they started paying more money to have Coke products.

Starting point is 01:22:24 Really? Yes, they switched to Coke from Pepsi. Because Pepsi sucks. Because Pepsi sucks. Yes. Pepsi sucks, but it's... Fuck, Pepsi, you hear this? I said it.

Starting point is 01:22:37 No, thank you. Coca-Cola all day. I needed to hurt when I drink it. Yeah, I need spice, you know? I need the real shit. It's doing until I broke what it does to a car bag. That's why I drink it. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:22:51 Strip it. Taco Bell and Colvers, you're speaking of the heart here. Yeah. Where else we got? Water burger. Okay. I'm open. I'm open.

Starting point is 01:22:59 We're definitely going to a water burger. Waffle house. Oh, naturally. We're from the East Coast. Yeah. And last but not least, I hate the beat. You know how I said I hate. I hate a trend.

Starting point is 01:23:13 You do. Shout out my fucking Buckees. Take me a Buckees. Oh, yeah, dude. We drive two hours out of the way to go to a Buckees. Dude, the brisket sandwich has no business being that good. It's so fucking good. What? What else? Is it the Bucky Boles? I don't know. They got this like...

Starting point is 01:23:31 The Bevernuggets. The Biverr Nuggets. Dude. Oh, my God. The fucking... Take my left foot now, so we don't have to do it later. The cinnamon pecans, like, all this shit there is all so good. And there's another place. There's that Wally's place, which is like another one. I do fuck with a Wally, too.

Starting point is 01:23:49 But it's funny how much better Buckees is. It's like night and day. Yeah. Wow. Beautiful. cool. It's cool. I'm fortunate to say I went through one before.

Starting point is 01:24:01 Yeah. Buckees all the way. Buckees is, is, it has no business being that good. Seriously. And it's always, like,

Starting point is 01:24:09 it's never, it's never slow in the Buckees. Dude, it's slamming, and it's, and it's slamming with locals. Yeah, with,

Starting point is 01:24:16 yeah, exactly. Like, like, people who live 10 minutes away are like, I got to get down to the Bokies today. You know? Shane is going to meet me there,

Starting point is 01:24:25 and then we're heading over to the skating rink. Exactly. And that's a perfect Texas date night. That's a date, yeah. Great answer. Great answer, yeah. Big one here. Big question for you.

Starting point is 01:24:39 The question is, who do you do? And the meaning is the frontmen or musicians who you've kind of taken with you subliminally and whose mannerisms you take and maybe their vocal styles you take. who do you do when you're on stage shocker from burn because you absolutely

Starting point is 01:25:04 we love bird hard mosher occasionally occasionally I find myself doing like a Puerto Rican mic from District 9 because like we similar

Starting point is 01:25:14 in my idolized mind like when I get it in me to like do a carwheel or like a pop punk jump like a knee tuck Yeah Vulgal Beautiful

Starting point is 01:25:28 Dude the knee tuck Jump is very vulgar Yeah very vulgar That's the only one I do Oh my only one I thought it's true Yeah see but I can't I can't be jumping up and down like that

Starting point is 01:25:41 Yeah No My ass comes out and then nobody's happy No Who else It's all East Coastans You know It makes total sense

Starting point is 01:25:51 A cold A little bit of Freddy mad ball Yeah A little bit of Eddie. Those are great answers. The rest of the piece. Yeah. Like, you had, look, you mess with me what my, my top four is.

Starting point is 01:26:01 I was thinking I gave it once over. And now that I'm saying this out loud, I'm like, yeah, they coincide. Yeah. Okay. So now let's transition that into Akeel, your four favorite hardcore records of all time. This is. So, of course, don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets, war zone.

Starting point is 01:26:21 Culture shop, my four walls falling. Wow. That's a first. That's a hard-horse answer. Shall be judged by By Byrne. What's the first Shelter album? Mantra. Not Mantra.

Starting point is 01:26:38 The one before that one. Perfection of desire. So perfection of desire by Shelter, that's number four. That's number four. That is a very unique top four. Tom's like music. You love music, man. My old is, like, a lot of the oldest skins, last time Shelter play ball.

Starting point is 01:26:56 Baltimore, you know, they only know me. It's like, oh, that's a kill. He won us rough and tumble. And then you'll see me just like, mosh and hardest. Fuck the shelter. Like, oh, what are you in your 40s? And like, you calm down. Move.

Starting point is 01:27:10 I was in, I was in Portland the other day. I went to, I treated myself to a nice dinner. I was wearing a use of today's shirt. And one of the servers at this restaurant was clearly a Christiana dude. And he, like, brought me my thing. and he said, oh, here's this, this. And I love your youth crew shirt and then walked away. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:31 That's all he said. That was the nice one. That's the only context he had of that. I love your youth. It's so weird. I'm sure he likes shelter. Beautiful. The best man.

Starting point is 01:27:42 I don't even like. I like that real, that funky record, the weird one. Oh, the like the one after mantra. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:50 Is that the one we messaged it about it? No, that's not. No. That's, that's not. What is it? Eternal? the one that's got letter to a friend on it.

Starting point is 01:28:00 Yeah, that's a banger. That's a banger. Yeah, that's a banger. Yeah, I like that shit. But also, because I am in D.C. right now, that first writes a spring out. I'm a real big emo. Because it's only an hour away from me. That's a D.C. sound, I love that D.C. sound.

Starting point is 01:28:18 The first Rites of Spring record is incredible. I like Embrace and Rites of Spring a lot. I think, like, they call that post-hardcore, but, like, if that came out today, you wouldn't think anything of it. You wouldn't like differentiate between the two. I don't think. Now something I'm curious about is your Baltimore top four. And that can be bands if you want to.

Starting point is 01:28:41 Yeah. So the way it goes, right? Gut instinct. Next step up, stop. Yeah. T-U-I and then ending. That's a beautiful. That's a fact.

Starting point is 01:28:56 Fuck yeah. That's a fact. I know all those dudes like before before Andy really popped like I've been here. Those are just get the guys.

Starting point is 01:29:09 And that's what I I remember talking to Justice years ago being like what's up with End it? And he's like those are like the guys in the pit who weren't in bands

Starting point is 01:29:22 have a band. Yeah. So it's like it's destiny. That's just how it goes. That's how it goes, man. You grow up, living your life in the pit, making the show's good, and then it comes back for you eventually always.

Starting point is 01:29:37 Full circle. And now the people give back. It's beautiful. I cannot believe that I've got to do half the shit I've done in life in terms of play. We'll play fucking hardcore music. Like, I would go to the show with the intention of maybe not coming home.

Starting point is 01:29:56 You know what I mean? Because who knows what's going to have? I used to have to walk. It's real. I used to have to walk home from shows like three hours, three and a half hour. Oh, my God. With fucking, like, skinny jeans on and docs. Yeah, he's having a bomber.

Starting point is 01:30:10 You know what I mean? Yeah, you never know how that's going to go. Hey, yo, come in real quick. Night. Yeah. But I ain't never got my assbook. You know why? Because I know how to conduct myself.

Starting point is 01:30:20 Absolutely. I've seen it. I've seen it now. Look at this. This is a beautiful episode. That's all I'm saying. You just talk to people the way they're supposed to. be spoken to you.

Starting point is 01:30:28 Those are words of wisdom if I ever heard of them. Truly. We've got some questions from our audience here. Oh, shit. Let's see what we got. Best Auto Bar memory. What, like a show with the Auto or? That or just an incident or something.

Starting point is 01:30:47 I mean, I worked during it a better part of a decade. Okay, I'll tell you. my favorite moment at the auto bar, there was like this college white boy hip hop show and there was this real tall, lanky dude in there. And he was just disrespectful. I'm watching him like, get

Starting point is 01:31:08 host of women and like rub his junk on him a little bit, but he's drunk, so I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I watched him spit on the floor. I watched him drink his beers and throw his beers on the floor. He's getting up on stage while people are performing. He's just generally being an asshole, but he's riding that line where as security

Starting point is 01:31:24 if I approach him, I'm looking for trouble. Right. Because as much as he's being a bother, he's just drunk. Yeah. I go outside. I'm like, like, I'm always walking in and out of the club because you never know. I like to catch something before it happened. I go outside, he's pissing on the side of the building.

Starting point is 01:31:44 Now you got it. So now I'm like, hey, you're cut off. And now this is where I was in the wrong. I should have just walked inside. but he looked me up and down like I was someone to be looked up and down upon no he went to the double a

Starting point is 01:32:01 like I shoved him he went for the double leg I sprawled I sprawled to hold him down I soccer kick his shit and now I have to not come to work for three bucks you did what anybody would have wanted to do

Starting point is 01:32:19 yeah outstanding outstanding. You really delivered there. That's just one that I can remember. That's beautiful. Beautiful. I gave him, like, three hours of leaving him alone. Like, I'm just picking up his trash.

Starting point is 01:32:34 It's not really that type of night. It's fine. You did. You did the right thing. So I have, like, a problem with, I don't mind drinking and drugs. You know, you've been around us. We dream. Right. But I've never, you ever seen me so fucking drunk to you, like, God damn. those eda keel was fucking in one no no i don't believe anyone

Starting point is 01:32:56 gets the right to conduct themselves like that no matter how much drugs or alcohol you've ingested yeah like if you're drinking is becoming a problem for everyone in the room you need to stop 100% you sound like the ideal guy to be working door at any club you know just hanging out

Starting point is 01:33:16 somebody asked if you've ever shit the whole toilet shit the whole toilet that's a crazy question I don't know why they're asking that I know I have I mean I've I've shed once upon the town how about toilets in Germany

Starting point is 01:33:34 man they vary so much they're so silly there man they're just so weird they want to smell it so bad yeah I played Italy and it had the hole in the ground no toilet yeah yeah

Starting point is 01:33:49 It was a shit hole Yeah And like the whole time I'm thinking about like my diet Like what was coming out of me You know you're on tour Yeah I was like yo I would have

Starting point is 01:34:01 My Achilles will be coming In shape Like there's no way How are you shit in this hole? I don't know It's kind of It's sadly kind of efficient Because I guess that is like

Starting point is 01:34:13 Biologically the ideal Like this stance Yeah It's like biologically ideal He's saying because that's how he shits on his own toilet. See, I've had meniscus surgery on his right leg. So I can't squat like that anymore.

Starting point is 01:34:28 Fuck no. The whole time, I'm like, it would have never worked. That's me. I'm part of my squat privileges. I didn't mean to step out of line there. I get it. That was a real culture shock moment because going to Italy, it was like on the first tour. I was so excited.

Starting point is 01:34:45 And then go into the bathroom of the venue. And it's like, how they eating all this fucking pot? Boston, pizza, and them getting down like this. Seriously. My God. How did you enjoy playing night shift party weekend? Somebody asked. I had a great time being down there in Daytona.

Starting point is 01:35:06 Weather was nice. Crowd reaction went well. I enjoyed it. Shout on night shift. Beautiful. Somebody asked, Akiel and Stavros collab when? Probably never. Probably never.

Starting point is 01:35:24 I mean, nothing to get started. See, that's the thing. The world is like, oh, God, Stavros, this is not me shitting on Stavi. I don't know stuff. But I did live in Greek town. So, like, I know a humorous Greek man from Baltimore. Remember, people are blown away by him as he should. He deserves his career.

Starting point is 01:35:45 But that's just a motherfucker I ate lunch with. Right, right. That ain't a hunt. Hey, Hunt, please don't take this the wrong way, right? My granddaughter's mixed. I just, I just need to know, like, do I get, what should I get for a hair? I don't got a fucking, please. I know that lady.

Starting point is 01:36:05 Dude, the accent, you're crushing. Oh, my God. The Baltimore accent, like the Maryland accent like that, might, it's, it's unfortunate how funny it is with, the scale of how bad the guy saying it could also probably whoop your ass. Yeah. It's not too... It's like, it's only so funny.

Starting point is 01:36:30 It's not too dissimilar from Boston either. Yeah. It's a similar thing where it's like, you sound incredible, but please don't hurt me. Please don't think of it. I found, like, I found myself in Europe, in the United Kingdom because we went to different parts, and we were around long enough that you can hear the variances of accents. Yeah. And it's kind of like, I would find myself smirking, but you got to watch that shit.

Starting point is 01:36:55 Because I'm listening to what you're saying, and it sounds funny. But you are still a human being who could fuck me up. Yeah. But I'm also like experiencing new things for the first time. I'm like, you sound, this sound just like TV. Oh, man. It really is funny, man. As a human beings, you also have to understand I probably sound funny to somebody.

Starting point is 01:37:18 You know, I accept that. Yeah. Yeah. So laugh it up It's okay What are end Its favorite records for a long time Long drive or a night drive

Starting point is 01:37:29 Like collectively That's a good question You can't go wrong With 87 demo Damn If we're gonna do the hardcore thing We really only I'll hit them with a hoosca do

Starting point is 01:37:42 Every once in a while Really I'm a big Hoosca do that Yeah I'm learning so much And they don't mind But so much but yacht rock

Starting point is 01:37:51 we are yacht rock you put on Asia by Steely Dan that whole band is singing along okay yeah beautiful

Starting point is 01:38:01 okay so that gets you through those drives a little bit of Steely Dan a little bit of SD what does end it what does end it pulling as

Starting point is 01:38:13 as far as riffs go on this new record you're working on what are some influences has anybody been listening to anything specifically I don't know where Ray is getting these wrists.

Starting point is 01:38:24 It's a great answer. I couldn't tell you. I'll just listen to him. I'll listen to him and Chris. Because the chord of the melodies and rhythm is just Ray. Ray writes the riffs. Yeah, okay. Chris writes the drums.

Starting point is 01:38:39 So I don't know what Ray has been listened to. So let me tell you, though, about our friend Ray Lee. You know, it's a spectrum and we're all on it. 100%. you'll sit next, like, Ray will sit in the back of the band, and you'll just look at him like, what the fuck is he doing? And then it'll be like, yeah, so I just like categorize, I just listen to Pop Smoke for like six hours,

Starting point is 01:39:02 and I just categorize like, oh, what I believe to be his favorites, his best songs in this, like, three-hour playlist. So I don't know where Ray is Pulling Bridge from, because he, wow. I put on French Montana in the call one time, and like, I still don't know why he knows all he's songs. He's a wildly efficient music listener, much like you. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:25 Where you're cataloging lyrics and melodies for later, he's transcribing French Montana into a breakdown somehow, which is the way to do it. It's weird. It's good shit. Ray, you keep it up, man. You're doing it right. I love it, boy.

Starting point is 01:39:43 I got it. What is? Yeah, I really do. What is your favorite movie? That's a tough movie. At one point it was good, fellas, but lately it's been paid and full. Paid and full. You never seen Payton Full?

Starting point is 01:39:59 I don't think so. Cameron's in it. McCaw Fife and Cameron are selling drugs. You can watch it. It's on YouTube for free. Watch Payton Full. Okay. Done.

Starting point is 01:40:09 I'll watch it tonight. Fantastic answer. Salem Witch Mitch asked, What's been the most rewarding thing you've gotten to do or accomplished since end it was started? Being able to go to Los Angeles. The most rewarding thing is having my opinion on L.A. reversed. Oh, cool.

Starting point is 01:40:31 Because the first time I went to L.A., you know, much like the first time I went to New York, your only notion of these towns are from media. Yeah. And then you get there as an adult and you're like, oh, this is kind of like dirty. fucked up. Absolutely. So first time we went to L.A. It was in the summertime.

Starting point is 01:40:51 I saw a lot of homelessness. It's like human feces on the ground and shit. I'm like, man, this isn't what I thought it would be. We got it all. And then I came back, you know, we come back and come back. And I do different things and see other parts. And I meet new people. And I'm like, oh, I get the L.A. is great.

Starting point is 01:41:10 L.A. is awesome. I get it. Love to hear it. Yeah. I mean, in New York is New York. That's different. New York, I mean, I love going to New York. And it's the same thing. We're like, I'm doing something different every time, eating something different every time. You know what it is when you know how, like I say, I hate things. Oh, my initial reaction to something is a dislike. Because if I keep it away from me, I don't have to interact with it. I can't be harmed. Of course. To meet bands and people and go places that I once had ignorant viewpoint on. Because that's one thing about Baltimore. We will gladly be just as ignorant. as a day as long. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:41:49 And like, and be proud about it. Like, now I don't go over there. They like to cuff their pants up and I don't get down like that. And that's like, that's a reason for people to not go to whole parts of this town. Wow. Like, we used to beat D.C. And, like, I would not go to D.C. Now, showing D.C., I ain't going to PC, D.C.

Starting point is 01:42:08 Fuck them kids. What they do? They know what they did. But now. being an adult and growing up and letting go like fucking stupid things. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:22 Yeah. It's right there. That's the stuff of life, man. Small viewpoint. Another part of home. Yeah. That's very adult of you. I like that.

Starting point is 01:42:33 What is the worst job you've ever had? Somehow not picking up bodies is going to be the answer. That's a cool ass job. Which is hilarious. What was the worst job? Yeah. Yeah, working at Jamba Juice in the airport. That's something, that was not fun.

Starting point is 01:42:49 Every time I'm in an airport and I think about commuting to an airport, checking in through security, doing all the shit you've got to do, I like can't believe how much of a pain in the acid after me. How long did you do that? I did that job long enough to get two paychecks. Okay. And I'm just like, yeah, nah, it's not worth me. That's not it.

Starting point is 01:43:11 Okay. And Jamba Jus, too, you got to learn all them fucking smoothie. recipes. But also where the storage was, you got to go into the bank hallways, go down, go over, load up all this heavy-ass fruit, come back, go up. Right. No, thank you. And then you still got to deal with the crowd that is the airport, and as we all know. For some reason, people forget how to be a pedestrian in the airport. There's no rules. Oh, my God. Just walk forward. They're five dairies deep at 9 a.m. And then they're coming to get a fucking juice.

Starting point is 01:43:43 And were you employed by Jamba Juice or were you employed by a company that like leased Jamba Juice in the airport? Exactly. See? And that's, so you don't get the same benefits. You don't get whatever the little perks are that might make a job okay. Yeah. Oh my God. But that commute, like you said, that commute is what killed me because you got to go parking the employee lot.

Starting point is 01:44:05 Then catch the employee shut away and go before you get this bad, you got to go through security every day. and my next just started at like 6 a.m. But you got to get through security. So you got to, and you still got to wait for the shuttle. So you got to get to the airport around five. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking nightmare.

Starting point is 01:44:23 And you're not compensated for that hour. I'm not doing anything at 5 a.m. except for turning off my computer and going to bed. Going to bed. It's sicko. Do you have a favorite preset ditty that you like to sing? Like one that in particular. that you love to do?

Starting point is 01:44:42 Yeah, you're so vain. Probably Simon. I think I've seen you do that. I think I've seen that. Such a good song. Good choice. Or too late by Carol King. Oh, Carol King.

Starting point is 01:44:56 Yeah. I love that one. He's a song. So eclectic. Yeah. I know. I went to school for choir. I grew up in the church.

Starting point is 01:45:04 I didn't become like a wild man until I was like 17. Which is pretty, way. That is, yeah, for our generation. That's all I'm saying. So, like, I want to, like, a chop, but I, a lot of the, the, quote, unquote, poor behaviors, I was with my cousins. Like, I was drinking with family.

Starting point is 01:45:22 We were playing cards. We were getting into shit. And then it wasn't until I transitioned to this thing called hardcore. Started not hanging with my family as much and hanging out. You know, but, like, I mean, not to say too much. Like, me and my other cousin, I've been drinking smoke of the week since I was 12. Yeah, sure. You know?

Starting point is 01:45:39 but we just kept it in-house. Very insulated, old-school, black Baltimore family. Shouldn't nobody know what's going on in here, because it's not their fucking business. That's right. So let me ask you a question. Somehow we didn't cover this.

Starting point is 01:45:53 What was the first taste of punk rock? The first thing where you went, oh, what's this? This is different. Playing Tony Hawk. It was all this time. It really is, right. Which one?

Starting point is 01:46:08 Superman by Goldfinger. Dude. Fuck yeah. Yo. So first second. Yeah. Like you hear those horns and shit and you're like, well, fuck one. I'm going to get this secret tape.

Starting point is 01:46:20 But what is this? So ska. Really? Dude, I'm not even kidding. I'm not joking either of you guys. Last night I had a dream that I was at a subterranean size venue in Chicago. And Goldfinger is playing Superman. And I'm like stage diving and skating and stuff.

Starting point is 01:46:38 I swear to God, I dreamt that last night. I swear. It was a premonition. It always comes back. It always comes back to Goldfinger, baby. And they're obviously never going to get their just desserts because they just wrote a song. But Goldfinger by Superman was like. I wish, I truly wish that Spotify and streaming numbers existed in a way so that we could see when Tony Hawk dropped how metrics changed.

Starting point is 01:47:08 Yeah. We could just see trajectories changing. I mean, we hear it once a week Yeah, we hear it often It's crazy Also, Dave Mara BMX too Dude His names were fucking awesome

Starting point is 01:47:20 I just want to hold your hand We die Like holy shit What the fuck is this? Wow, I forgot about the day So video game soundtracks Video game soundtracks To end it

Starting point is 01:47:30 Natural Pipeline Beautiful What is your favorite thing About Baltimore That you try to have others experience I like that I can resonate with this. You know, because there's two ways I can answer this.

Starting point is 01:47:47 I'm going to be a nice guy. Chats Pit Beef. Just a nice afternoon. Oh, yeah. Chats Pit Beef. You're sitting outside. You're right on Route 40. It's because, you know, Baltimore is a dump.

Starting point is 01:48:01 You know, it's really just, it's a port town. Yeah. You come there to work and you pass through and you go. But a nice good chapit beef meal. Oh, my God, dude. What a meal. Yeah, that was good shit. With disco fries.

Starting point is 01:48:15 Make sure you get them fries to disco fries. I think we did when we went. Beautiful stuff. Real hearty meal at one in the afternoon. Yeah, it'll fuck you up all day. At what age did your tolerance for bullshit hit zero? Probably about year two of bouncing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:35 Yeah, that makes sense. So were you in your, like, was that early 20s kind of thing? That was 24, 24, 25. Yeah, mid-20s. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. About my mid-20s because, like, I'm at that age because we're near a college.

Starting point is 01:48:49 I'm just older than like the new drinking crowd. And then two years in, I get to see like a freshman class. And like the younger folk come in. I'm like, yeah, you guys aren't for that way. You have no idea what we're doing right now. But, I mean, you're there to teach them in a way. through violence hopefully sneak a bottle into my club well this guy stuck a bottle in once and like and that's the thing because i actually am good in my job i noticed him get drunker and drunker i have not seen him go to the bar yet wow you're good man i'm on my phone not paying attention you're always paying attention yeah it's crazy like collin and i would not be good at that because we don't know no i'd be horrible

Starting point is 01:49:37 i'm that's my job that's why they hide me and uh I go into the barns, and I was like, hey, has he bought any drinks tonight? And he was like, not one. I go over to, and mind you, the club is kind of packed. It's like halfway, three courses of way four. I'm like, how are you getting drunk, but you haven't bought a drink? What's in your head? Where did you get liquid?

Starting point is 01:49:56 And the girl next one just whips up this big bottle. I dump his bottle on the ground. Just snuffed him. Just straight snuffed him. I beat him up from, I beat him up from the pool table to the stairs. And I know where the cameras are. So where I hit him, the camera can't see. and once I got them on the stairs, the camera

Starting point is 01:50:12 and see I work this motherfucker down the stairs. Don't do that shit. If I'm the owner, I'm like Akil, whatever you need. Yeah, this is roadhouse shit. If you drink too much and you hurt yourself in the club, my bartender can be liable for over-serving. Right. That's also going to reflect poorly on me

Starting point is 01:50:31 because then you see that person getting drunk? Yeah, right. So that's just disrespect. It's just disrespect. Respect goes a long way in Baltimore. Amen. Just be respectful. I didn't say suck my dick.

Starting point is 01:50:44 We don't have to be friends. Just treat people the way they deserve to be treated. Yeah. And you will be just fine. Beautiful. I didn't say. Don't be scared to me. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:55 I'm singing sound and music in my head right now. You're scared and me. It makes sense. Have you whipped out sound of music before a set? I almost did in Switzerland, but I chose nothing to me. Yeah, they're sick of it there. I'm talking again Akeel von Trapp

Starting point is 01:51:15 Shrap showing up The U.S. government finally collapses. What's the first thing you're doing? Good question. It's a great question. Get the flat land. Either somewhere elevated

Starting point is 01:51:31 or somewhere flat. You know why that's a perfect answer? Because he said it so surely, and I don't really know what it means. So that means, that like that's like an imposing answer got to get to flat land so you would get to either flat ground or the high ground just get somewhere away so like i've been spending time in Texas i'm out in the

Starting point is 01:51:52 desert so we out in the desert if you try to come get me as wide open skies is wide open spaces i can at least prepare okay and if i'm high up now i got that view as well yeah they're not going to get you they don't know what you want me for exactly well that too Allegedly. How is tattooing coming along? So I was never a tattooer. I just worked counter at a tattoo shop. I wanted to be a piercer, but you got to be able to consistently show up and work your shifts and whatnot.

Starting point is 01:52:27 And we taught too much for me to learn a skill right. That's an like, that's an icky job to me, Pearson. Yeah, I couldn't do it. Yeah, I'm an icky dude. Say no more. favorite comedian right now. Are you, like, as somebody who's done comedy,

Starting point is 01:52:45 are you into comedy? Like, is it something you actively listen to? Yeah. I haven't as much lately been keeping up with my podcast and stuff like that, but obviously,

Starting point is 01:52:56 Chappelle and my buddy, Charles Chappelle Lacey. The homie Jemel from D.C., I just saw him perform not too long ago. I see, you know, we see a lot of things on the reels and TikTok and whatnot. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:10 But I'm hit to a lot of those comedians. I love time. Reels are keeping stand up going. Yeah, crowdwork and real. Crowdwork is unbelievable. Yeah, somebody asks, what's up with Up the Blunks? So, Kevin, I think Kevin just got married. Again, torn.

Starting point is 01:53:34 Kevin got married. And, like, we kind of lost momentum. I had some things going on. I broke up with a lady. I'm moving here. day so it kind of just felt by the wayside yeah makes sense that was fun though uh so you know somebody already knows that you love ska so somebody asked for your mount rushmore scah my scy mount rushmore yeah so remember i'm like trance game so the specials fuck yeah the beat

Starting point is 01:54:04 street like they got riffs man they got they got catch 22 just played two days ago yeah in baltimore that was good. Who else? Oh, Judge Dredd. Sick-ass name. Hard-ass name, dude. The hardest guy you've ever heard. And, uh, Law Aiken. Old school, Scott.

Starting point is 01:54:28 You can't prepare. One of my all-time favorite videos on the internet is the specials playing some club. It's like professionally shot. And they cover the Harry J. All-Stars liquidator, I think. and and this bouncer keeps fucking with a kid and the white dude singer

Starting point is 01:54:50 like whips the tambourine at him and is like cursing them out on stage and then they eventually get all the kids on stage and they all like moon stomped for the whole song. It's one of the coolest videos that exists. That's cool. Hey, I gotta see that.

Starting point is 01:55:02 It's on YouTube. I will send it your way. Thank you. What was it like getting striking distance to play the unpleasant living release? Oh. I mean, that's our buddy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:14 Dave Bird is like, we've looked up and just seeing Dave Bird. Dave Bird's like, I'm going to hop in the van for three days. And like, duh, come on. It's Dave fucking Bird. So remember, Pat is, Pat Martin toured, tour managed for Thursday and work, work tour and shit. So, like, he's an older guy. Those are his contemporary. So it's, he just asks his friends, would they like to play?

Starting point is 01:55:41 So cool. That's fucking awesome. Yeah. Like, it's funny, the other day, a kid was talking to me. He was like, kid, how old are you? I was like, fuck, I'm 34. And all these kids were, like, blown away. They were like, you're 34 years old?

Starting point is 01:55:56 Because they were only, like, in their late teens, early 20s. Right. And it's like, yeah, there's hoggle of things been going on for a while now. 100%. I'm like an old guy. I'm only 34, but. It's weird being old guy. We're doing great, man.

Starting point is 01:56:09 It's, do you feel weird about it? When you guys walk into a show, Colin, you just played these huge shows, the tsunami shows. I did just play massive shows with tsunami where they're drawing their own kind of freak. And I don't say that in a derogatory way. No, no. Like, freak. We are the freaks.

Starting point is 01:56:26 We're the freaks. They've got their own kind. And, you know, I think it's important that they stick around and learn the origins and the roots and the ethics. But I think they're there for the right reason, which is good. Yeah. And I do, I think it, hardcore skewed old for a while before this. Like the average new hardcore kid was like 25, 26, and I don't like that.

Starting point is 01:56:52 No. I'm glad they're here. I'm glad they found something. But like, they'll never relate to it the way that we do because it was there when we really needed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:08 New kids. They're fine. Don't get your hopes up about them sticking around. That's something I've not necessarily had to deal with because that's dramatic. But as things evolve, things change. They don't care. And I can't expect them to care. I'm just happy ahead.

Starting point is 01:57:24 One more things are going together. That's beautiful. I'll still get on stage and talk my shit. Because we know what is and ain't fucking hardcore. Yeah. I'm not, where's the ball and gears gone by? People just make you feel bad because you didn't know, that you weren't there.

Starting point is 01:57:42 Now that we get older, if you're going to be responsible to the thing, hopefully you do still go to local shows and talk to the kids and show them new band, older bands, and tell them the stories and the guys and nicknames and all that.

Starting point is 01:57:56 I think that's probably the biggest difference is how many people were at the Riverside show, Colin? 1800 or something? So the biggest show I went to as a kid was like Chicago Fest. There's like 600 people there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:58:10 That was fucking huge. Yeah, nothing was, I didn't want to go to anything with 1,800 people. Right. That has to be the biggest difference. I want to kick all 15 of my friends' asses. Yeah. And nobody else there. Nobody else.

Starting point is 01:58:22 That's the dream. It's a real humbling moment right now to let go of that old school, hardcore. Because, you know, we were bullied. I wasn't like bully, but, you know, there's initiation in every game just in life. And then you get to this point, and you're, you get to this point, and you. You want to treat the kids the same way. You still want to do that psycho crazy skinhead shit, mosh hard weapons, fuck shit up. But these kids aren't dead.

Starting point is 01:58:51 Yeah. It's different. It's different. And that's fine. And it's fine. You know, they're supporting. They're keeping it alive in their own way. And we are lucky to have them.

Starting point is 01:59:02 We're lucky to experience this growth. I think it's just all more than we ever anticipated. Yeah. You know what? I'd rather some kid being their teens, find hardcore, gain an appreciation for it, realize it's not really for them and go off, become a pharmacist, get married, have a good life. You know what? Who is I talking to you? There really is a thing where if you, I feel like if you go through a punk phase, even a phase, a few years in your youth, that will positively affect you. for the way that you treat people

Starting point is 01:59:41 and you handle situations and your ethics forever. I really do you think that. So there is merit to that. Even if people are just hanging around for a little while, if they get an appreciation of it,

Starting point is 01:59:52 I think you're right. I think that's, there's value in that. And it's never been easier. And it's never been easier. And you know, hardcore is part of everything. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:03 Like, no matter television production, movie, barbershop, there's someone in that space who self-identifies currently or at one point as a hardcore game. 100% true. It's very true.

Starting point is 02:00:16 I see him every day. I meet one every day. Yeah, it's crazy. It's beautiful. Akeel, this has been outstanding. It's been great just getting to know you, getting the world getting to know you. Right. Are there any kind of closing thoughts or statements you'd like to make to the people?

Starting point is 02:00:35 Free Palestine, free Sudan, free Congo. free Haiti, three Lebanon, and maybe one day we'll free ourselves. They're not on your team. They're not your friends. They're not your constituents. All we have is the people next to us. Don't vote. Don't vote.

Starting point is 02:00:50 Stop voting. Disengage. They're taking advantage of you. That's all I have to say. Maybe, and that's all I can leave it at, because ain't shit got fixed. My parents are old and black. We've been complaining about the same shit this whole time. Welcome to the club.

Starting point is 02:01:06 That's a fact. Yeah. Beautiful. Damn. Best send off. Power. Power. Yeah, powerful.

Starting point is 02:01:10 Raw power. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you all for listening. Listen to end it. The LP is finally coming soon. Flat Spot Records, 2025. You can't wait. We can't wait.

Starting point is 02:01:22 Akeel, thank you again. Thanks for having me. See you soon. See you all next week. Bye. Bye.

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