HardLore - Alec Faber (Holy Blade, Gods Hate, Twitching Tongues)

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

We are finally joined by Twitching Tongues and God’s Hate bass player/stage mosher extraordinaire Alec Faber, who fronts the newly conceived Holy Blade alongside one of HardLore’s own. We talk about Alec’s journey from Grand Rapids to California, how playing in Freedom and True Love introduced him to many of his now longtime friends and bandmates around the country, hosting a movie podcast with Colin, (RIP Reel Deal) developing Holy Blade via personal songwriting exercises and much more. HardLore is now on Patreon! Join now to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HOLY BLADE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/holyxblade FOLLOW ALEC: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/tightbrigade TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/tightbrigade FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Subscribe to the all-new Hardlore Patreon now for early ad-free access to every episode and an exclusive episode every month. You guys are taking a gamble on a thing. So to put in that much work into something that could still be a gamble at that time is like... I think for the first time and the last time maybe we're like doing a new thing that we're willing to take as far as it can go. You know what I mean? Like I don't know how many more new bands I have in me. We're just having a great time. We are.

That was, and the, like, the four guys that the band is. Yeah. Is half the fun. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord Time. How are you, Bo? I'm great. Where are we, Colin?

Me too. Welcome to the grand reveal, the first ever Hardlore episode shot inside the all-new pit recording studio here in Sunland, California, which can be redacted, if need be. But yeah, it's beautiful, and we thought we would break it in with a very special episode, with a very special guest. Here we have hot off of the release of our debut 12 inch EP, Holy Blade, by the band Holy Blade. We have the singer-songwriter, which the only way I can describe them. One of my best friends, my former podcast co-hosts, we'll get into that.

Alec favor welcome Alec what's up how you doing I'm great welcome I want to say a Tila lyrics I know we've been in here he's been in here uh stoically reading a Tila lyrics for the past hour like Morgan Freeman reading yeah so we just dried our tears of laughter off and here we are some of them were pretty good the Stalin line was genuinely impressive yeah couple couple end bombs in there that are not okay crazy not great they went for it different time since 18 was different. But yeah, here we are.

Alex, how's it going? It's great. Good. Feeling good. Good week. Put out a cool record this week. I think so. How do you feel?

A lot of relief. It's been done for a little while. So October last year we recorded? I think that's when it was done, yeah. Yeah, because you were playing me demos at F. Or like, not demos. You heard, you heard the songs a long time. Yeah, we were waiting for our.

and we wanted to have it done and not be a pre-order. So that was the thing. We wanted to feel real. Yeah. And if people are like less than a week, people are already getting records. They got them. It's pretty cool. Close casket.

More like open. Open Amazon. Right. Got them. So yeah, it's gone. Well, many people don't know probably that Alec and I used to do a podcast together called Real Deal. It was a movie podcast.

It was weekly from about 2017 to 2017 and then it was biweekly from 2018 to 2018 Yeah And then we did some YouTube

versions from 20 2020 to 2020 There's a couple videos We did a couple of videos There's a couple of patrons Yeah also We've got one or two left

Six books a month Yeah I was a top For real I think so I think they're still coming I would say Other than Taylor Madison's first podcast, we were early adopters. It was Strange Nerve, real deal.

Yeah. I was the highest tier Patreon. True story, and I've told you both this, but I think it's a cool story for our show, is I went and saw split and really liked it. That's why we did the entire podcast. And then you guys put out... Within a week, I think. Yeah, and you guys put out the podcast, and I listened to it, and I was like, I'm going to start going to movies. I hadn't really been

I was 30 years Kind of fell I would go occasionally You know And I just kind of fell out of love with it And then I literally listen I listened to the Twitch stream I was

You did that? You guys did a Twitch stream Don't or either Twitch or Instagram live You did a live thing That's crazy No recollection Don't recall that That was like a

Crazy time So that was It was It was It was It was It was It was

It was Getting a little more Back into movies But then also Realizing that Like doing this is not No

It's totally doable. Anybody. Yeah. We bought like those, like a $90, what are the blue yetis? We had a blue yet. Yeah. Yeah. And we sat in between it and talked to.

Yeah. Because it was by, it was like binaural. They didn't make podcast kits yet. No. Truly legitimately did not exist. And there's only one headphone input in the blue yeties. So we didn't use headphones.

Yeah. And we just hoped that it worked. We would look at the garage man Christmas trees and just hope that they were catching something. But, you know, we did a lot of fun stuff. We had a great time. Saw a lot of movies Saw a lot

Saw We had no Zero dollars And that's ultimately why And we just saw movies And hung out every day I would sell t-shirts Like

Old T-shirts Yeah On eBay And just go to the movies Or go And go and get dumplings At his That is true

By his apartment And that's ultimately Why you guys Just time And Pretty much I think I think that was like

The first month That I was living here That that It was Well it was You moved here What December 2016

Yes And we started Real Dale February February 2017. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah.

Because that was when split came out. M. Knight Shamaan's split is the reason that we did a movie podcast, which ultimately is the reason. There's a long domino to hard lore existing. But M. Knight Shamaun split. Sixth Sense led to. Yeah, pretty much. M.

Knight Shama on being born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. So, real deal is negative approach. Yeah. Hard lore is agnostic. We're cold as life. Yeah. Yeah. That is true.

My favorite thing that you guys would do was the. The MCU talks. Because I didn't know shit about any of that. And it made me, I legitimately watched every single one by the time Endgame came out because of Real Deal. That Endgame podcast,

we did at the last, at the old pit. Yeah. With Brody, I think. Brody, Taylor, Dom was there. Yeah.

That was awesome. That was like, that we got like 3,000. We all saw it together. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just the craziest movie going experience. All downhill since then.

Honestly. So let's, So let's go back in time a little bit. Before we get it, I want to do a couple of the bits from Real Deal. Sure. In hard lore mode, but let's go back in time a little bit. Walk me through young Alexander Patrick Faber discovering hardcore movie. Okay.

There was a lot of not knowing I was listening to hardcore, but listening to Hardcore. Seems to be common. Yeah. Like, everyone my age finds it through. Through skateboarding, through the Atticus comp, that's where I heard American Nightmare and Bain. Through, one that I always tell people is the, on MTV 2, there was a Victory Records commercial. And it had the Taking Back Sunday music video and a Snapcase song. Back to back?

Like, it was like a shared commercial for both records. Yeah. I got both records. and no disrespect snapcase. I didn't listen to hardcore for two years because I hated that record so much. Gotcha, yeah. And I liked the TegMX Sunday record.

So there was a lot of, like, bouncing around kind of listening to hardcore or hardcore, like, almost hardcore music. And then I, like, heard throwdown and terror. Our trajectories are really similar. Yeah, I think, I mean, you're a little bit older than me, so you, like, I didn't get to see American Nightmare.

Yeah. But I was aware of them because, hey, I'd heard it on that comp, and I would read Alternative Press every month. Interesting. Oh, really? And that was when they were. They were reviewing, like, real records. And, like, I remember the We're Down to Her Underground,

um, review in that because of the art. I got the, like, some girls record because of the review and that. So, like. And that's when the Death Wish East tour was. Oh, dude. If it was on there. It was in my cart. The last, like, Christmas gift I got from my parents was a gift card to the death wish.

Before you aged out of Christmas presents. Yeah. That was, that was the shit back then. So you had those with you in Afghanistan shortly after. It was much earlier than that. Oh, yeah. But it is funny that I also went from punk and kind of hardcore adjacent. And one of the first heavy bands I ever heard was throw down and then terror.

Yeah. It's just funny that those... The Overcome video on Headbangers Ball. That was big. And in the CD version of life and death, I guess it would have to be. Or maybe it was lowest of the low, but somebody's wearing a throwdown hoodie. Like, the TD hoodie. And it's crazy how like throwdown in 2003, there's so many directions you can go from that man.

Like you can go to straight metalcore. You can go to hardcore. You can go kind of go. Throwdown was a band where... Seren makes a lot. That's a great cover. Kind of ruined all of society.

It's the Deadpool Wolverine of music. It is the Deadpool, which we'll get into it. But yeah, Throwdown was a band where even Taylor, I think, to me, was like, if you're going to like hardcore, you've got to listen to this.

Yeah. It's, I mean, it's like, it's pop music. Yeah. Hardcore. The Raise Your Fist video was like, with the Breakfast Club quote, too.

You know, like that for me it was like oh I can like like I can be really into straight edge and like John Hughes yeah it was well it's just crazy the way that we probably think of like emo is different than what like different from even like my chemical romance or whatever yeah but like a band like brand new was this far away from hardcore or um box car racer record has hope conspiracy in the line nuts wow like because that dude was in Overdept My Dead Body. And that's us now. Yeah.

Yeah. We're with our... That's why you wrote this. Yeah. Exactly. So what's the first band you ever played? That I ever played? Oh, you know what?

Tell me about meeting Joe Pellesci. I heard it had something to do with not knowing how to change a tire. No. I had met him before that. But I... He says your friends because you didn't know how to change the tire. For those who don't know who's Joe Pleshy. He played bass in true love.

He's Alex Oldhead, really. you go. I met him when I was in my mid-20s. But, yeah, I mean, we were like... You didn't know how to change his tire? We were... No, it's not that I didn't know. I just didn't have tools. You just wanted him to do it. And he's a, he's a guy. He's a man. He's a man. And I was but a boy.

And he like, there's like a snowy winter in Michigan and my tire was flat. And I had no tools. So you called? him or what? I think so. He wasn't even in true love yet, I don't think. And he just came by and took my tire off and got attached up. He mentioned something about drawing pockets on your jeans.

Can you tell me about that? I'm surprised. Do you ask him or is that a britty? Colin is doing this bit now where he like gets dirt on the guests. And I don't even know that he knows. I don't have much. There's not much to have on him. He's a secretive guy.

I'm not a secretive guy. The Braxton ship was crazy. That was crazy. That was pretty good. That's the new band, I guess. Just an incident in high school. Okay. That's all.

We'll leave it at that. I heard you had a bad cat named Sean. I did. Peed all over, Freedom merch. Just the merch. What a horrible name for a cat? Sean? What's Sean Marshall Cat Power?

Oh. That makes sense. It was a cat. How, like, punk were you? How punk were you back in the day? Not. He's not. He's punk now.

Yeah. Were you like, jibank. kid? I was punk or vice versa. I was punk because there was a kid, this kid, Danny, who liked punk.

So that's how I knew about anything punk. That was punk, like black flag, minor thread. Bad religion. Anything epitaph, fat records. Good band. The problem is,

I'm so sick of hearing about bad religion. You know, so I watched, I watched the pet peeve thing. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. And you were like, when someone tells you about a record that I liked my whole life. That you've liked your whole life.

Like you don't know about it. I was listening to that and I was just like, he's doing that right now to everyone he knows with bad religion. Yeah, they were going, yeah, I know. I was like, yeah, I listened to Bad Religion when I was 12 years old. Yeah, but you ever get to generator? Because it's pretty good. Of course. It's pretty good.

And Joe Peleshi. I was in a band with Joe Pellasci for 10 years. You don't think I've heard. Bro. So, but like, like, I'm even talking like style-wise, because you mentioned the pants then. So, okay. Punk is like, is the trajectory of which you find it is kind of dependent on like what you find first. Yes.

Because I already heard dying fetus. That's fair. Like I'm, I'm 10 and I'm like, dying fetus is sick. So you were like, I'm genuinely. So I felt like, I felt like punk was like, well, I like the crazier stuff. This is not as crazy. So were you T-shirt and jeans guy, like immediately? Oh, yeah.

So I was never. First, the biggest jeans. The big, yes, right. Sop and wet if it rained. If it rained. The bottoms, I'll chew up. If it rained, then I got in my mom's car, she's furious. Yes.

And you, dude, that stink. That stinks. Oh. And on me? Yeah. So I'm asking, like, because I wore like, you mentioned the pants thing. I had pants that like it was punk in with the kids and blah, blah, blah.

And based on like magazines and shit to write like, dead kidneys. No. I did not. So. See, That I always thought was sick. On your pain.

I immediately was like that's cool. I was doing that on backpacks maybe. Yeah, definitely. But clothing-wise, this is why I never had a new metal phase. I thought that they looked gross. And like, this is like maybe just my upbringing. But like I was like the, you know, Jason Siegel and SLC punk. I was like that guy.

I was like kind of collared, collared shirt. Isn't he straight edging it too? I don't remember. I just remember that he's just like proper looking. Yeah. Which goes to, you're one of the better dressed people that I know. Well, I just like, I don't know. That's why I thought like, oi music was cool because they were like.

They're swagged out of the lines. They look cool. Yeah. And they look nice. Interesting. And you are, so you are the reluctant son of two military parents. And that played into your. Yeah.

I mean, I couldn't have long hair. I couldn't, you know, even though. even if I wanted to dress a certain way. Yeah, or be like look punk, I couldn't. Interesting. Which maybe drove me further into it. And naturally. You know?

I think we probably all had a bit of that. Yeah, our mom threw away the Arnold End of Days DVD. Oh. My dad threw away, you fail me zip up because of this. Just because of that? Because of that. Oh, really? Yeah.

That's the good stuff. I mean, that was like maybe my first. big show too was that was that show the you fail me tour wow that record not to derail this does not fail yeah me on personally but yeah that I mean that was kind of the vibe like you know I kind of had to hide it at home and then which makes no sense because like they would drive me to shows oh yeah maybe just to get me out of their hair but like I'd get dropped off 100% my dad that that that A

end show the first one I ever went to my dad drove me and Chris yeah he was very like American nothing because at the time it was nothing and they were like what are they trying to say by that you know what I mean it was like peak Bush era yeah that's crazy and they're I can't imagine having a dad that cares suicide file we would roll up to a show and my dad would be like these fucking idiots boy that is a fact they all look like fucking morons you like these people yeah okay happy birthday get the fuck out of my house honestly yeah a little bit of that

what's the first band you ever played in I was in a band in must have been ninth grade called War for Worth would you play I played guitar yeah you started playing guitar early no I started playing guitar

the summer before that band before oh cool because of I saw the pop disaster tour oh yeah Green Day Blinkwyn 82 saves a day I have a limitation over that because all of my friends went to that and Alkaline Trio played at the Chicago show of that.

Okay. I was in the Poconos with my dad on a vacation. Poconos. They wanted to go to the Poconos. They got a timeshare or some shit. Oh my God. Jeez. Ironically.

No disses to the Pocon. Is that a summer place? No, there was no one there. I was skateboarding alone. But we would use it as like a face. Saba, you see Saba walking around? We'd go to like D.C. and New York. and we were kind of like do stuff.

Picture of me in front of the World Trade Center on August 11, 2001. I was there probably a week or two before doing some cult thing with my mom called the Landmark Forum. If anybody knows what that is, they got me. They got my mom, really.

I was sitting there like, so boring. It's like September 10th, 2001. I was like, ugh. Which anything would happen. It's so lame. Why don't they just tear his whole building down? Oh, my God. Why don't they do a controlled explosion?

in this and here and a few more other ones So you were How old were you in that band? I was 13 Okay I mean

Started young I got a guitar when I was 10 But I didn't start playing a band Until 12, 13 No I like right away Like I could barely Play a power cord Yeah

The only reason I knew What a power cord was Was because In the Enim of the State Songbook There were tabs Dude Really?

That showed Because it goes It showed like The sheet music version And then right under it was the tab version. And it was just, how genius is that? And again, another similarity is I found all the punk bands that we all would get into because of a blinglinguant to home videotape where Tom says,

yeah, we were inspired by descendants. Is it the urethra account of us? I think so. I had, I had that DVD. And that's why. Didn't this turn out to not be true? Didn't we look this up? No, no. It's not a home movie. It's a DVD that they put out. Yeah, he, it was, there was something. There was something that just did not. That didn't happen. I was like, this would be a great real. Can you find me this clip? And then you sent it to me and you're like, yeah, he definitely didn't say that. So, yeah, it must have been a different thing or wasn't the right one.

But 100% timed along is. I mean, his guitar, there's a bunch of cool bands on there you saw. So that'll do it. I forgot about that. Yeah, there is. I remember. But yeah, because he had the tabs. They had the tabs.

It's such a good idea. Yeah. So we were just doing, it was like one kid who loved. loved, I mean, I was also like this, but like Plaid Shorts ska music. Yeah, yeah. He was the drummer. Our bass player liked pop punk, like pop punk, pop punk, like Rufio. Which we did, I mean, I liked all it too.

And then the girl who sang for a man was like Led Zeppelin. That's what she liked. Like, rock or shit. Straight up rock music. And her dad was a musician, so she liked that stuff. and we're all just like, there's no palm muting. Yeah, it's not going to work. This is so slow.

Yeah. You know? So that was my first band. Did you play shows? We played, if I remember, right, we played one show, and it was like a community fair. Yeah. And this is Grand Rapids, Michigan? Is in Kentwood, Michigan.

Kentwood. Shout out, Bill. Fat Bill. Fat Bill. Big old slug. Big old slug. Kentwood. True love was your first man that kind of really took off, right?

Um, that was like my band, for sure. I was in freedom was, I was in freedom before. Oh. I moved, right when I moved back to Michigan, I joined Freedom, like within a month. And then maybe a month later, uh, Derek and I did the demo. Derek Daniel, never ending game. One of the best drummers in the grades. Yeah.

So yeah, that was, and that was like a gestating, long gestating project. project. Dom and I had been talking about like, oh, I knew about nine months before that I would be moving back. Okay. So he and I... So it was like when that happens? Yeah, when that happens, like we're going to do a man. And his band from before was fizzling out, yeah. So we knew we were going to do something. Freedom really changed stuff for Detroit specifically as a whole. And the whole, the crew that we know now of like Negg and True Love and yeah. And Alick is like freedom freedom really did that freedom was like uh when you look back on it it's is really cool the how we just got out there like there was the reason we played out we're able to play

out of town shows was because of face reality like the connections that nick and dennis had made from being in that band and derrick was in face reality too and derrick yeah um and dennis did like their art and stuff and um so like we played Philly because Bob knew face reality or, you know, whatever. But yeah, Freedom was like the first band in a while, I think, of that like meat and potatoes hardcore. Oh, 100%. That made it out of Detroit, you know?

Absolutely. And not even just out of Detroit, but it was like for somebody like me who like that's my favorite kind of, you and I were just talking the other night about how like early Boston hardcore is like the best shit. Yeah. it was such a breath of fresh air from the writ too yeah right away

the demo hit and you guys were playing a lot all over which the first time I saw freedom you did probably five covers

so what did Leo say mid set in my ear was like is this a cover band and I was like I don't know this is sick

yeah that was I think you know of blood yeah it was amazing that was like in my memory that's like one of the best shows I've ever played what year was that 15 yeah I would love to see a video of it today it's pretty good I've watched it holds up I think so it was it was man I what a time I missed it it was uh yeah because we played the year before and we did a we did the 86

mentality intro oh yeah and uh yeah yeah yeah such a good intro um but uh and it was like cool but by the next year it was it had happened because we had had in the time between those United Bloods, we had done the life and death tour, which was my first tour ever. Oh, really? Yeah. So it was 2014. 14. That's right.

You as a guy. That was your first tour. Yeah, that was me personally, my first tour ever. The life and death? Because I was a great first tour. I know. It was a grueling one. It was awful.

Was it? Kind of not good. Kind of not that great. Yeah. It was, who will all was on. It was backtrack, expire, us, suburban scum. Downpresser. Freedom.

turnstile on some shows, down to nothing. I mean, and that's where we met a lot of people. Yeah, that's absolutely when we met. And that means you had to have been a James Vital hand-picked. We were, and that was a shout-out Neil Patel, back-to-back records. Did he put out the demo? He put out the pay-the-price seven-inch. Wow.

Really? Yeah. Straight-edged label. Yeah. So he did that, and then he hooked us up with, um, with Jimmy V. And the Triple B did everything else? Triple B did reissued the seven inch and then everything else after.

But yeah, that life and death was like we met everyone that were like still King Nine also. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And that was a grueling tour for us especially because we had to be, we had to be there at every venue at two. I think we played at four. And you fuckers getting there at two. Had to have been hard to manage by it. I don't know. I mean, I slept on amps.

Like, it was that kind of tour for us. It was, it was like a summer. It's exactly what you would think of, like, hard touring to be, you know. Yeah. In the States. In the States. It sucked. Yeah.

It was tough even for that. Does anything stand out from that that you can remember just in that whole month? Two, one is a Harm's Way story. Another is, uh, one we were talking about off camera. No. No, but Because that one's pretty funny. I feel like it's okay to say.

We can say that after this. Yeah. But we, no, because I'm friendly with the other people in my band. I don't want to hurt their feelings. Yeah, no,

you're right. But we did, in Canada, there were these, like, fire Doritos, but not every single one of them was spicy.

Oh, it was like a mixed bag. Yeah, so we did odds, whoever, you know, whoever gets a, spicy one has to stand in the middle of the pit for the first king nine song with their hands

in their pockets and i lost and i got beat to death and it was montreal oh that's a that's a and they're like pretty heavy they're yeah they're in a different year up there 100% currently so you lost i lost and lost again i don't remember i see now why you want you won you the steak to be spaghetti shoes so bad since there's no real danger there oh there's no danger it's just squishy and you ruin a pair of any ruin a pair yeah for every for everyone who's wondering what well you asked we were talking about this before and Beau was like what is spaghetti shoes oh it's when you put spaghetti in your shoe you fucking idiot yeah so we'll give that a shot yeah Taylor you got a deck

of cards in there we'll play some Uno for spaghetti shoes get some get a pot boiling Kyla and then the other one is Harmsway the last We only did the first half of the tour. Yeah. Before the last show, you, Mills, I think it was maybe just you two, and maybe James, came up to our van, we were just chilling in the van, and you said, what's your favorite youth crew band? Yeah. And we all said youth at today. Yeah.

And then the next night you guys covered expectations. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we covered youth today in drop beat. It rocked. And it was like, I think all of freedom was pitting. Only us and Bob. And Bob, yeah, that's right, he was in Florida. Who was in the harm's wife?

It would have been the three of us, Jay, and then Andrew Morrissey. Yeah, and that's... So four out of five. Yeah, four out of five. And Andrew was like, Andrew's not like a youth crew dude. So he was like, what? Andrew was... Playing it like this?

Yeah, he was not happy. Andrew was the one who I talked to the most for the band. And he's like, you're moving... I heard you're moving to Chicago. And I was like, yeah. Hey, yeah. And then literally, I think the month I moved, he moved to California.

Yeah. He sure did. Yeah. It's funny that you two being the most friendly makes sense because you're both like adults. Yeah. Like very grown up people. They figured it out because they had to.

Way before. Very early. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. What a guy. Okay. So that's a good tour.

Yeah. I mean, it was. It was a bad tour. It was a tough tour. It was a tough tour. It was a tough tour. It was actually awesome because it led to our hilarious, this is hardcore experience that, like a few weeks later.

Playing at 11 a.m.? No, one of the best sets ever. The video is so funny and cool. There was just some weird mix-up with when we played and when doors played,

or when doors opened. We ended up playing as doors are opening. So people are like coming in. In the video, we're playing to nobody. Like, you can see like Pat Flynn over here,

a couple people in his pockets. Just, just, like trying to give you one. Yeah. Like, come on, guys, I'm here. I swear to God, you're doing good. It sounded great, man. I was there.

Three songs in, people are flooding in. Okay. I would say, like, second and last song, we play straight ahead by straight ahead. Erupts in a sea of people. Like, it was like, the transition is so cool. Whoa. So many people.

And then our last song, old school pile on. Yeah. It rocked. That was when straight ahead by straight ahead could elicit a reaction. No, no more. Isn't that crazy? How fast that happened? I mean, that's 10 years ago.

Wow. Yeah, good point. Straight ahead by straight ahead. It should be timeless. I sound check with it every time. You always play the AF bass riff. I do that one. I do backtrack killing time.

And I do. Yeah. And I do straight ahead. Those are like my main my main soundtrack riffs. How reluctant was it for you? to be a bass player. Because you just had to. We just made you do that.

Yeah. Yeah, but you made the great call. What a call. What you're saying. You watch freedom. You watch True Love. You see he's destroying his body. There's no,

no ounce of that leg is natural at this point. Either of these legs, it's all. One of these is for sure. Kink. Something's in there. Yeah. So I had to have. No, we have to have it.

I don't know what that is. It's just good shit is what it is. Yeah. Real energy. It's honestly, it's like nerves, I think. What do you mean? Like I, I'm like so afraid to play every time. Yeah.

It's crazy. And I think it's just like I have to become a character to play. Oh. Something like that. I loved the, the Belasco show character. That was my favorite guy. That's truly a character. That's a great.

That's a real way to. plates on that vest. That was a, yeah. I was telling him, like, just take the plates out, dude. Up until we were playing, he was like, please take him out. And you were like, because he thought I was not going to jump around with those. How much weight was it? 25.

It wasn't that much. But, I mean, 25 pounds when you don't have 25 pounds on you, he feels like, I mean, I lifted it up to give it to you. And it was like, I hike with the 31. And like, by the end of the hike, I'm like, we ran with the, remember we did. We ran with that vest. We did a half marathon from my apartment to his, to Shannon's mom's house. When? 2018.

And our skinner skinny. Our skinny. The deep key. The real dark time. Yeah. The darkest time. We stopped to take a shit and drink. Carl's Jr.

No. Did we go to Carl's Jr.? I took a shit in Carl's Jr. Okay, no, that was second shit. Yeah. We stopped the shit at Starbucks and pounded yellow Gatorics about an hour in. Shit again at Carl's Jr. about 15 minutes later. And then we had big dinner boxes.

Entire, full big dinner boxes each. Yeah. And Grace was like, doesn't that defeat the purpose of? the run we were like no no it's why we do it this is why I think it was like 212 or something our time oh it was it was just over two hours which is pretty good and you're talking a jog yeah you're not well then well I do it a lot of the run is up hill oh my god because you're starting glendale you're going through eagle rock and which is kind of in a valley it was glenda it was about the glendale gallery to anybody who's familiar to

All the way, Colorado, all the way. Deep Sierra Madre Pasadena. Yeah. Which is like, it was, I don't know how. Exactly 13 months. Exactly 13.1 miles. Maybe a little more, but yeah. And then once you get off Colorado to get to her house, it's straight up like 45 degree angle.

And he was in the best. Last two or three miles, I think he was like, I need you. I can't wear it anymore. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sucked. Ugh. It's crazy.

But running. Running. What a nightmare. Terrible. I'm doing it now. Terrible. You are? I'm on I'm a rose endurance client shout out rose yeah I've been doing it for about a month

Nick Semio if you would like to be on a running program yeah the singer forced order we'll teach you how to run I'll tell you what I love that man I love what he's doing shan't be running I hate running then that's kind of why I'm doing it isn't it isn't it like not great for your knees no it's awful oh paying all the time perfect why are you getting better at it bike yeah I'm I'm yes really yes yeah now what's what is it your breathing or your legs that would make it difficult? Well, at first it was breathing just because I haven't ran in forever. And now it's my ankles.

My ankles are fucked. I just don't want to. That seems easy. You ever, when you're running and you're really out of breath, do you ever start playing drums with your breathing? Yeah. Yes. I do.

Or if a new song pops on the playlist, I like try to get on that tempo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? I found that the thing, I genuinely think that the key, to the one winter that I could run. There was one, two months where we just were crushing was the Murmur record.

Oh, really? Which is Pete Morsi from Hunter Demon's like satanic folk record. Something about it is very... Good tempos. Where every song, it's kind of, it's slowing down right when you're slowing down. And then it picks up right when you be picking that.

There's a few, when I, if and when I do cardio, there's a few records that are go-toes. Best Wishes is one, because it's all kind of... were your shoulders are like snare bass yeah exactly exactly it works when did you become a merch guy a t-shirt head um honestly when i was in afghanistan oh really yes was it expendable income and i was rich you're just on i had no money rich yeah rich me and then i was rich oh right so rich was like i man i've got a thousand no i had no i had like 30 grand oh oh Wow.

Why, do you get paid at once or something? You get like hazardous duty pay, combat pay, all, and then it's all tax free. Right. So I made, I like, I spent the first like three months paying off everything. Paid off my car, paid off everything. I see why these fucking guys are driving around and rappers and-one. They got 22-year-olds with Camaro's. But I had just a ton of, a ton of money.

and I had, you know, I would go to the computer lab, the head of internet, and I would just get on eBay. By now, by now. Yeah, you just big off. I would mass it, do anything, you know. And, yeah, that was like the same thing. And a good shirt somewhere like Afghanistan is kind of the only way you can really express yourself, you know? Well, I mean, it wasn't delivering to everything.

I was just. I don't know. You weren't trying harder. And that, because of that, like, that was when I bought my first tube amp. because I had money. You know, I bought, just had money for the first. I bought my first pair of salvage jeans because I had money. Do you find when you're like, I should get a X shirt.

I should get an underdog shirt or something. Do you, I often find that I want like, oh, I want the shirt that he's wearing or someone's wearing in this video or like, that's a slipper slope. That's, but that's what does it for me. You know what I mean? Especially when you see a shirt that you'd never seen before. that'll get you. Yeah.

I'm on like a, there's a, I've, like, graduated into getting stuff that nobody wants. Okay. And that stuff is hard. Nobody wants, nobody wants, because they don't know about it. Because they don't know,

or it's just not the hype thing right now. That's the meme of the people on the beach of like shirt collector, vintage shirt collector, shirt that no one wants. And it's like a giant, that's like, that's like, that's,

I'm talking like, desperate measured shirt that will never be on eBay ever until one time some guy who's been out of hardcore for 25 years is like I'm gonna put this up for six bucks yeah yeah yeah and then I get it you know like like I've had every agnostic front shirt I've had I've had the war zone shirt you have so now it's just like I want deep cut hope conspiracy shirt I want deep cut fucking rampage like tour only shirts that yeah just yeah exactly or like Especially Hope Conspiracy, they had some, like, cool kind of sketchy shirts.

Really? Yeah. Like, stuff that looks like the Holy Terror Swazi almost. But like... Yeah, that thing's crazy. Yeah. Wow, we did it. Like the Iron Cross that turns into something...

Something... Oh, even more sketchy. I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Um, just stuff like that. Like, yeah, kind of just want... Especially early 2000 stuff is just cooler to me now.

Mm-hmm. Because nobody really wants it. What's your preferred vintage blank? I mean, screen stars rock. Screen stars is the one. I have one bad screen stars. That was heartbreaking. Really?

I have an incredible 10-yard fight. Screen stars. What design? Pocket print, 10-yard fight, Boston Straight Edge, football man on the back. It's fucking rocks. It's one of my prize records is the demo. Oh, yeah.

The X, the Yellow X demo. Yeah. I love. Beautiful. Love tenor fight. But Stedman. I'm a low-key love a Stedman tag. Really?

I don't think I'm familiar. What's on Stedman? I had, I don't think I have anything anymore, but I had a chain of strength. T? White one? The classic. I had a couple.

The Old City font. Yeah. Logo. Yeah. The Old City. On Stedon. Very cool. And now, and now I know what you're,

I know what you're. your chosen modern blankets. Yeah, I'm a comfort colors, man. Yeah. Hit or miss, man. But like, if they're too long, cut it. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I'm fully on the, the, but that could be said about anything.

Yeah, but so what? All the shockers are longer. Dude. Come. Yes. So then your point. They feel better. Yeah, dude.

That's the best part. It's a fucking turtle net. It's the best part. Look at this. I want to walk around. Look at this. I'm stretched all the way out. Why?

Well, so I can read your sexy. Comfort. I like comfort colors. I don't mind a Gilden Ultra. Yeah, they're fine. They're fine. Yeah, I feel like the bad Gilden's are gone. Like the bad...

I mean, Gilden owns comfort colors. So they clearly got a good idea of like what to do. I don't like Hammer. Oh, Hammer's ass. See, there was a point... I was sold on it for a minute. Yeah, same. It's too slender.

It's too slim. It's very slim. Nobody looks like that. Nobody is shaped like that. This is Haynes Beefy. It's real nice. I'm down with beefy. Nice.

Beefy's gangster. The black beefy one is bad. Yes. The colored one are all good. White, ash gray, red. That's so true. This is important intel for bands listening. This is,

this is, yeah. This is what the people actually care about. People, so it's funny because we have a hay breed tour coming up, right? Hay breed carcass. Mm-hmm. Do they give a shit? No. Exactly.

For sure. So we're talking, we're kind of planning. It's like, well, we can make a little more money if we save some costs on blanks. Do a guild medium. and print on whatever, you know, it's, it is, it is valuable. I wonder what it's like touring is a hardcore band on a Heybri tour post-COVID. I'll let you know. I think, I think, honestly, it would have been better for us?

Yes. Yeah. 100%. I do think, you know, not to take credit. There's, I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot more hardcore kids going to the Crowbar shows now. That's fair. Yeah. You search Crowbar on Spotify, we're the second result.

Yeah. Those were tough tours. Those were tough tours. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk. Oh, interesting. Let's talk about the, the first one was

hay breed, fetus, you guys, or coat orange, you guys, right? You opened both? We opened both, which that's the sixth lineup of all time.

That's a really good lineup. It was at the metro. And wasn't it, it was, satisfaction? Yeah, so the first one was satisfaction, hate breed,

fetus, coat orange, switching tongue. Second one was perseverance. Hate breed, crowbar, acacia strain, switching tongue.

That's right. So like those two would be profiting a very different amount today. I think so. I think I think music as a whole is up for sure. Oh yeah, I mean. You're still playing to, before we were playing to a crowd of completes and total strangers. But it wasn't hostile, but it definitely felt like, all right, I'm waiting for, I'm waiting. Yeah, that opening band's pretty good.

And a bunch of people up front who want their spot for him. Yeah, they want the barricaded. They're going to stand there for four hours. The Kyle Thomas of the world who will piss their pants to hold that spot. We're not opening this tour, which is good. That's an opener. Who is? Who is?

We're worth two of four. That's the perfect spot. And then it's carcass. Who's one? They're a Brazilian band. Scepaltura? No. The opener is a band called Crypta.

Crypta. And supposedly they're awesome. I have not, I've yet to like really do a deep dive. We're going to see them a bunch. They're going to see them a bunch. Yeah. So I'm really, really looking forward to you. because that's kind of, we're crossing two bands.

Yeah, that's crazy. As you guys did with Crowbar and Hap. Three, because fetus is wrong. And fetus. Crazy. I know, man. Yeah, I remember, I went to both. You couldn't talk the second.

I could not speak the whole time, I think. Those were, I mean, that was a full, almost a full year of just back to back. Back to back at like venues, we had no business playing. No idea what we were doing. burnt out. Yeah. This is like end of the line for, for, for, for V3 of twitching tongues. Right.

Yeah. I joined the band to kill the band. No, no, that's not true. Yeah, when was, when was that, um, LDB? Wasn't that the last one? Yeah, that was our last show until 2019, 2019. Yeah, February 2019. Yeah, that's all adding up.

So that was like the last show for like almost like for almost five years. Seven months though before. Oh, that's true. Yeah. We didn't really play before that either. Oh, it was the Crowbar tour. After, no, after the Code Orange headliner. We played

one show maybe. For the children. Yeah. That we headlined. That was abysmal. It was terrible. And it was pretty much our, my outlook on it was like, if this sucks, we're done. Yeah. And it sucked. So I was like, I'm comfortable being done, but we have LDB. We'll play that. So we might as well play that. Yeah. And then that was good. And it was great. It was okay. Yeah. Really like we sounded really. We shouldn't have headline. We should have played before. Culture abuse.

Culture abuse. Who, what was the code orange headliner? Why am I not? Vane, code orange, twitching tongues. Show me the body. Show me the body. Nicole Donganger was on some shows. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I forgot about that. I think a few other bands. A little ugly Maine played one. No. Ghostman. Ghostman played one. Yeah. Wiccafees.

They played two. Yeah, okay. That were awesome. Yeah. Dear little posse in the green room was really. Sorry. The ghost main one? No.

Yeah. Basically any show. on that tour. What's a green room nightmare? Oh my God. If there's rappers on the thing, the green room. I'm walking around with my fucking backpack. It's totally different.

Some guy's girlfriend is sitting on my backpack. Dude. Which is, maybe that's my fault for leaving it there. No, that's what it's for. That's the room for it. It's just how it works. It's a different vibe. It's a party backstage.

I hate that. What's your bringing it back? What is your grail shirt at the moment? Grail shirt. What's one that you have and one that you want? One that I have. It's a grail. I have a cause for alarm, the cause for alarm poster with the guy, the guy in the gas mess with a gun.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I have that on a gray shirt. That's probably like the, nah, I got a bunch of cool shit. Personal. Is there anything you want? Anything I want that I'm like dying to get. I mean, I will always want storming through. judge oh fuck you know like that is a grill you see Travis Scott in the judge shirt I did I saw that

it's disappointing it's probably mine could be yours I had that shirt whoa who sold it's it is it the vertical judge it was the vertical blue gold on itick yeah honestly it wasn't me the other day I got a Vic I'm sorry to do this too I went into the story the other day Vic I'm so sorry I love you so much you the best he we were looking at a some shirt and he was like, yes, it's OG, it's old. It was on E.E.R.H. Records, how you pronounce this? And I was like, Eurek. And he was like, ah. Yeah. Love him so much. Congratulations.

Y. Yeah, congrats. He's American citizen now. Classic Mediam in Budapest. Hell yeah. He's flying to Budapest for gigs from Russia. I love playing Budapest. Dudea best. Yeah. Shows. Shows were okay. Fine. But the vibe is off the charge. And Vic shows up and everything's fine. Hit a nice meal, hit a nice, uh, schvitz.

Oh, I love the bath. You know? You like the cold plunge? I like it all. I don't like, I don't really love a cold plunge. I tried it. I tried it at, uh, Vatalo's. Yeah.

Like the real one. He's got like a Novo's thing. I get, it was painful. Yeah. It sucks. It hurt my body. It felt like I was getting stabbed. I'm, my Instagram ads are nothing but the cold plunge.

Why? It's the sauna. And then if you get the cold punch, you get the cold punch, you get a sauna. I'm not doing that. It's all I get. I like being hot. You know what's interesting is you can do the cold plunge without their tank.

You can just do it in your bathtub and you just use their little motor. What's the motor? It makes it 33 degrees. What are the benefits? Inflammation, I think. Yeah, inflammation. Cold shock therapy, cold shock proteins. Inflamm this up your ass.

So, yeah, Alex moves to California in 2016. Joins switching tongues fall. 2017 because Anthony couldn't go on tour. It was overnight. It was crazy. Anthony dropped a tour that was life and death was the first one. Uh-huh. Was your first tour.

Oh, yeah, no warning one. No warning. Who else the fuck else was on it? Vane. Yeah, Vane was. Hane was us being like, Jimmy, you got to put Vain on this. They're incredible. Because God's hate played with them in Boston and blew my fucking ass.

So couldn't believe. Higher power was on it. Yeah, that's right. No warning. Was Backshark on it? Yeah, they were. Okay, for sure. Was terror on it?

No. They played a couple. Oh, okay. They played for sure the first show at a union. But I think that was a special thing. I think that was like. Maybe. No, they played Gilman too.

So it was first two. Yeah. Because of course, every time we started tour, we play LA and Gilman, we're like, this is going to be the greatest tour of all the time. And then that tour was rough. Brutality. It is. that you guys do have kind of the worst litmus test in your state. Because these two markets are great for us.

And those. But it's different. It is different now, which is nice. But for a while, it's like everywhere is kind of good now. Thankfully. Thank you. Thank you so much.

But yeah, that was a hard one. Van problems. But our dynamic was immediately so good. Yes. And like, and the dynamic was great with Anthony as well. With Anthony K.

K.L. Sean being the band for two. years at that point. I remember Sean was bumped. Sean was like, yo, you guys got a new guy without fucking talking to me

in typical Sean fashion. But then, of course, it was like, it was natural. I think Sean and I are very like, yeah, 100% in a lot of ways.

But you and I, and then eventually Taylor as well, like we, there was something right away where we knew. I think it was just going to the movies a few times. Didn't we go to Piquots that night?

It was your birthday in Chicago. It was, yeah. And we were. waited for like an hour and a half. We waited for a long time. They wouldn't split the bill. And Taylor still doesn't like to go back because they won't split the back.

I don't like to go back either because the pizza is bad. Yeah. So it took a shot, took a, took a dive. Yeah. It's a bummer. Pequads. We went to. For Andrew Morrissey was in town the other night, we went to lose like a sit down

lose instead of Pequots, which is the first time ever. And Andrew's a Gerdinado's guy. So that's surprising. Isn't that crazy? He's a West, or he's from Westchester. I'm a peace guy in Chicago. Yeah, you are a peace guy. And that's, it's still there.

It's still, I walked where I buy it. Yeah. Also live in Chicago. Also live in Chicago. Yeah. Did you ever hang out with anybody? I hung out with Mills. You'd, yeah.

A few times. I went to breakfast with Shannon and the San Mayoas. Oh. One time. Just like a ring because I think they were staying with you. Our apartment was the like band apartment. Like people would stay with us. Because we were in a cool part of town.

Cool. And we had a big, big place. So, Sean, your cat pissed on your list, Paul. No. Sean the cat pushed it over cracked the neck Yeah

Did you see it happen? Yes It was one I was like Slow motion Oh my It was a studio Okay

It's okay And then what happened To that guitar Joe Palesci Affermenchant Man Got it repaired for me For my birthday

And then And then On my birthday I drove home Back to Chicago parked in front of our apartment. No. I took my dual rectifier out.

Good. And my backpack, because that's what I could carry. Got upstairs and decided guitar is fine down there. Go to the car to go to work the next morning. Car's gone.

And that's it. Well, I get the car back a couple months later. And what's in there? A Chief Keefe demo tape. Fuckers The most Chicago thing ever Covered in ash And Chief Keefe

That's pretty cool Yeah, it's pretty sick Honestly, they just needed it for a little bit It didn't And they play a guitar They dumped it And it was dirty inside But it was fine otherwise

So it really Yeah kept it We sold it when we moved to California Yeah Because Shannon had a car I also just hated driving it I felt like I was in a violated space Oh totally

You know? Yeah. I was just like, like nothing felt good in there. So I saw that. Who knows what Chief Keefe was doing, I don't know. Did you ever,

did you have the serial number? I don't know. Yeah. For anybody who doesn't already do this, write down any serial number that you have. And have runners insurance. And have runners insurance. Or personal property insurance.

Like, every guitar I have, all my amps, anything that's like over $1,000 or I can't replace easily is covered. I pay $8 a month. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's really cheap. You can do it through Allstate or Geico. Yeah. It's nothing. It's, uh, please do that. Just write down your serial numbers. That's how we've gotten stuff that was stolen back. Yeah.

You never know. Because they're going to ask. You file that claim. Yeah. And then also like. And take photos. If something gets stolen and you take it to a pawn shop, like if you're the thief and you take it to a pawn shop, the pawn shop is supposed to hold it for a month and put that

serial number into a database that the local police department detectives can find. That's why if you go to guitar center, like, you can't buy until, this date. And if the crow has taught us anything, it's that they ain't waiting at the pawn shop. Before we get into movies, because that's a great segue.

That guy in the crow, the pawn shop guy. Yes. Why does he say shit on me so many times? Shit on me! It's the only thing he says. He shoots him, he doesn't kill him.

He goes, well, shit on me. Shit on me was popping in 1990. You got to say it. He got really leading to that. So for this next shit on me, you didn't kill him, and you thought you would. it.

Is that like the shit's fire of the time? I think it's like, I think it's like fuck me. Fuck, fuck me. Dude, fuck me and uh... Fuck on me. In speed.

Oh yeah. Fuck me. Hold on. Well, I'm taller. That's good. I got a Keanu. Any of my agents out there. What?

Rewind what you just heard. We went to Europe once together? Once, yeah. Because you didn't, Tony did the persistence tour, which was awesome. He did the comfortable tour. I did the uncomfortable tour. That was the vein debacle where they were getting $0 per show

and we sacrificed our bodies and mines. And I loaded out alone every night. Okay. Alex, Alex Gimick is, it's fine. It's fine. I don't need your help. It's fine.

Like, Alex, do you want me to grab the thing back? It's fine. No. Yeah, that was a rough one. That was the end. That was the end for us. Well, because we, What year was that?

2018. So first, we drive from the pit. No, even before that. So before that, we do the nudie mag demo, and I'm 260 pounds. We finished the nudity mag demo, and we go to Cupid's hot dogs. I order five, eat five. Shannon takes two bites to decide she doesn't want it. So I eat six.

And that was the moment where I knew I needed to change. Got to make a change. So that I started keto. All of us did. The whole band. guys were killing it. So Taylor and Alec were like... We started on the previous tour. Yeah. And I was like, damn,

that's actually working for them. That's crazy. Yeah. We start because after the last tapery tour, True Love and Twitching did a week to United Blood. Right. And that's when Taylor and I started it, I think.

And you, you doing keto stuff, I was like inspired. The one that got me that kills me to this day was Olive Garden, the meatballs in the Alfredo sauce? Dude, we went to Olive Garden.

I think we were like patching up the trailer. Like something broke and I walked to Olive Garden. I go, let's get some Alfredo sauce and meatballs. And I was just sitting outside of the van dipping meatballs into cheese sauce. And this is after the dark days of

you and I going to the casino and then again, getting big dinner boxes. This is when we did not run out. We're not running it. We were not earning those. Before taking down it. entire big dinner box and you eating it.

That was like this show is gambling also. That was like kind of the beginning of us going to the casino a lot. That was the day where I it was black on roulette 16 times in a row. And I said red 16 times in row.

He's like, it's gonna come up. And I had. That is a metaphor. Dude, my bank account was $1,600. You know? Yeah. It was like Oh, we were. Dude, it was crazy. This was a dark time for our accounts also. Like we were broke as hell.

Like we would do two-month tour come home with a couple hundred. Yeah. There's like 800. No, this was in. No, this is on tour. Oh, on tour, my bad, my bad. Was this like Minnesota or something? No, the first one.

Wisconsin? Here's why we started gambling a lot. Joliette. Yeah. The Harris. Yeah, the Harris. We went there. I made 200 bucks playing blackjack.

And I was just like, all right, I'm a gambler now. I'm God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gamble. I played roulette with James, copied his bets, killed. Yeah. He's a white cloud. He's unbelievable.

So I thought gambling's easy. And then every... It's my job now. Every reservation casino, every... Every gas station. We would stay at Harris. We have no money. Here was the other problem.

Taylor would go into the gas station ones. Yep. And we'd be like, man, he is taking... He's taking the longest shit of all time. He's been shitting for 20 to 25 minutes here. Comes out. He's like, he's like, it's 20-8-00. hundred bucks every time he could not he was infallible on the on the gas station slots if you

you can look there's some database that shows payout odds and that Harris has the highest likelihood of payouts in the US well I don't play slots I don't understand them they're scary there the understanding comes from just the joy of the that means that means it's bullshit no it's not bullshit I'm proof of that I'm almost do you know do you know what all of it means yeah when looking at it. It looks like you've never sat and watched him. Red dress, blonde, brunette. That's what it looks like. He will, yeah, he can read the Matrix. It's insane. He will sit and he'll tell you, I'll be playing and he'll be like, oh, nice. You just won like 200. And sure enough. And you're like, where does it say that? I'm literally, I'm looking at credits and things that I don't understand, but he knows. It's all multiplication. He's cipher. If you know the, uh, the line pay for just two of the symbols or three of the symbols, each one is. You know, it's. He's cipher. He's. He's multiplication. If you know the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, if you know, the line pay for the symbols. Each one. Each one. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's is a multiplier. Each additional one is multiplication. He's cyphers. Robo crabs. Now that's a game.

That's that's a funny. Because that's their skill. It's not it's not skill. It's just knowing how to do it. That's not a skill. That's not a skill. You can't get better at knowing how to do it. You can get better at knowing where like 20 year carpenters definitely don't know. So at I learned at Taylor's wedding. Right. Watching. Josiah. Our friend Josiah. And he's pro.

He hits real craps in a way that is terrifying. I can't play real craps. It's too much pressure. The pressure from the other guys around him. He's fearless. And I know that if I fuck up, I lose someone else. The guy in the cowboy hat next to you is piss. Yeah.

Playing blackjack at a table with other people is the same thing. Except, except for anyone who plays blackjack or thinks that they know how to play blackjack, sometimes you have to know I'm about to lose this hand. for the benefit of the table. That is the problem. Oh, when you're like, I got a hit on 16,

I just have to. That's what the book says. I got to hit on 16. I might lose. The people that don't hit on 16 who don't understand the game, fuck it for the whole table. I ain't hitting on 16.

You better. I ain't playing with you then. Well, it depends on what the dealer show. You don't want to. It does depend on what the, right. Well, obviously. But if they're showing a king,

you got to hit. But then, And if you don't, and it's like king, deuce, and then... Yeah, sometimes. You know what I mean? Sometimes that works. It's scary, yeah. But when you don't play consistently, the same way every time, it fucks the table.

You stand on 17. Is that correct? Correct. 17. Yeah. No matter what. When you don't play consistently, that's when you lose. I mean, you always lose.

Right. But I don't play Blackjack anymore either. That's video, but Robo Blackjack is awesome. It is. I love it. Robo crafts, though. It's a robo craft. There's nothing like the losing it all.

Like getting, dude. He does it every time. Taylor has watched me go from like, I'll put in 500 bucks. I'll go down to like eight bucks, $8. And then I'll leave with $1,200. Fuck, yeah. And it's just. But most of the time you leave up like eight.

It takes me six hours. Yeah. I'm grinding that machine. At FYA, you were at that machine. The whole time. thought. And I made hundred of dollars. But that's not the point.

The point is the friends we make along the way. It's really the robo friends we make along the way. It's the grind. It's the feeling of up and down. I totally agree. And that's why I do like it. I do like it. But the rush of slots,

you can't. But it's, I think I've gone with, dude, Tulsa. Don't fucking talk about Tulsa. Tulsa. Tulsa was...

We went to a casino. I was grinding a table, a robo crap. I made $400 bucks in 30 minutes. I'm sitting there for 10 minutes. He comes back and just sits with me. Because he was done. He burned $500 in a minute. But that's what the ancestral spirits seem.

So in Tulsa, I get it. In Tulsa, I just seen Killers of Flower Moon. And now I'm going. There. Yeah. And listen, I lose, I lose. You get what you're, you're, oh, is that fun. That's not fun.

What do you mean? It's not fun. It's not fun to lose instantly. Dude, but when I get five grand from a $2 bet. But you don't get that every time. No, but the time you do shows you that it's possible. Yeah, but Robocrafts, you can grind for hours. And maybe never win.

That's fine. In your life. I get to play for hours. Anyway, so this hall started on this tour, on the first Hapery tour. Yes. Because we stopped, we felt the rush one time. Yeah. And then we ended up stopping at every casino.

At the Harris and Julietette. It was that one. Wow. And then Sean, every time I'd be like, you guys are crazy. Because he was in the Hapery bus for that tour. Oh, he was. After halfway, he was like, I think I'm just going to ride in the bus. And we were like, I understand.

He was sick of our shit. But who would? So that made it very easy to stop it. every casino. Yeah. Kale could drink for free. Yes. So it was truly like kind of the perfect thing for everybody.

Touring with kale. My God. What story haven't we told at this point? I think most, well, I mean, there's ones that. Yeah, there's ones that we probably shouldn't tell.

But, but no, he was, everything with Kale is incredible and awesome in retrospect. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

It's the best part of my life in retrospect. Yeah. The moments where he drove us insane end up being like the, there's nothing that brings me how much joy to talk about. That was a year of pretty hard, hard times touring-wise. And looking back on it, it was. He never complained. Really?

I was, I'm the complaining. You were the complaint. There's one, we played, was it Redding, Club Reverb? Or was it Pickeepsie? No, it was Club Reverb. where you were asleep until about a minute before we played. Oh, yeah, isn't there a video?

There's a video, I don't have it anymore, sadly, but there's a video of me waking him up. A minute before we played. And him walking on the stage, like, just, like, miserable. And you couldn't even be mad at him. It was cold, we were all wet, basically. It was just, yeah, I'm a complainer, for sure. I think that's a military thing.

Stephen cut that. And then we thought that's not. And then we ended the tour by shooting a video in a sub-zero room and we all got like pneumonia, I think. Drove home from Connecticut. What video? The Harcariah. Oh, yeah.

What he was saying before was that we, on that tour, on the tour that broke us, which was the one far after the gambling one, started with me, us doing the nudie mag demo. I ate six chili dogs while we all went keto. on that tour in ketosis lost our minds, you know? Yeah. So we started that tour by driving from the pit

to Connecticut. Which we had done. We'd done a million times, but we drove... That's the problem is that we'd done it a million times. We drove to Connecticut the next day, got on a plane to Berlin,

lost all of our shit. They lost our stuff. Like here or... In Germany. Everything. We sit in a hostel with nothing for a couple days. Where the guy kept the fucking guy.

There's an AC in the room. Yeah. And this guy with no shirt on keeps coming in and turning it off. And we're just like- Enteres the hostel with the remote and turns the AC off. And you just turn it on. We turn it back on. We turn it back on.

And then eventually he steps outside for a second and we close the door behind him and steal the remote from his desk. Oh, it's the proprietor. It was the guy, the manager kept turning the thing off. And we're like, owner of the hostel. This is with a kind of country. No, I'm not going to get into that. I'm not going to get into that.

That's, that's, that's, dude, that's, that's like ecological fascism. Dude, the draw, no dryers, no AC. But we digress. So that tour was already fucked. You had been to Europe before, though. Yeah, freedom went the year before with Fury. Is that, you've only been two times?

I've only been twice, yeah. Bless. Yeah. But, you know, there were a couple of good shows. goes. The hatred suffocation one was awesome. That was great. I mean,

outbreak was good. Outbreak was amazing. The early stages of outbreak, kind of. Yeah. Otherwise, it was pretty grim. Yeah.

And the whole thing with Vane was that they took the tour for no money, not knowing that it was no money. We didn't know that it was no money either. And you guys did. And we were supposed to have like a bandwagon type thing that broke down day one. We took a van so that Vane could get a van and their van was covered. We've told that. That's well documented.

You did probably the most righteous thing. I can imagine a band. Well, what else would we have done? Yeah, exactly. Like, they're stuck. We invited them on the throne. Yeah, also. We had a van break, convicted, had a van breakdown one time.

And while other bands, who I'll leave, nameless, were leaving the venue. They were like, well, we should tour together sometime and drove away. So it happened. Yeah. Yeah. There's stuff that can, sometimes people don't really think that way. We'd be having van problems. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Was that life and death? That was the first tour I did. Holy shit. So the first tour we did that Alec does with us, our van dies in Connecticut? No. Yes. Van dies in Connecticut, which happens to be where we're originally from.

So, you know, at least we're comfortable there. Taylor and I just buy a van. Dude, should we say Gabe? No. We can tell that. Gabe the Pigeon. We, you know, we, tour extraordinary. Truly, just killing.

He's a professional these days. This is where he's sprouting his wings. Yeah, we, no, we broke him on that one. We showed him worst case scenario so that he, everything was good from that. Taught him out a tip. taught him out of tip. On that tour. taught him a lot, taught him many things.

But he was already an unbelievable photographer, but now he was truly a jack of all trades. A torment. On his birthday, it broke down. On his birthday, we bought, we, Taylor and I just bivang. And Sean's like, pshaw, you dude's a, crazy. And then the brand new van that we buy breaks down in Florida. In Florida.

Taylor, it was to the day the first and only show Taylor had ever not played. That's not true. Now he's played two or three. Yeah. Oh, up until that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was a weird thing. And on the tour, it was the last day of tour.

Last day of tour, the van breaks down. Outside Tampa. Outside of Tampa. It was the brand new van we just bought. So we spend like four days in Tampa. We're seasoned Tampa veterans at this point. The malls. Great mall.

We know. The mall. What did we see? The good dinosaur. Did we? Right? Yeah. Maybe.

We saw a lot of movies. That was movie pass. That was movie past. Oh, dude. Do you know that my movie pass with my name on it? Like the card showed up the day the email went out that they were ending it. They got your 18 bucks. I mean, that's our fault.

Yeah. Yeah. We have used. Something that is worth mentioning is while you guys were doing that tour specifically, because I remember Kail and Sean being like yelling in the background, you were doing real deal. Oh, we were doing real deal. It was fucking awesome. I on tour. We loved it. I loved it because it was like, I know you guys just did it. I know the turn around for those episodes were quick. So it was like really fun as a listen. Oh, we were uploading him like in the hotel. Yeah. I was like master putting one master thing. I forgot. It was awesome. Hip hop excite. The old garage band master plug in. You know that one, Taylor? Hip Hop Excite. Taylor's going. I'm pretty sure sleep therapy was hip hop excite.

He's nodding, yes. Sleep therapy, Twitch and Tongues was mastered with the hip hop excite garage man. That's amazing. It was loud. That's why. It peaked. Big peak. Center peak.

Good stuff. And something, here's a segue. Mm-hmm. You ready? Yeah. Something that often came up was you eating candy while recording real deal episodes. I almost got. Ultimately that's.

I almost loaded. for this. I think that's why Real Deal is not on today. I think that's, Harlow really started because Alec could not stop eating banana runs live on the show. Let's talk candy. Let's talk candy. What do you want to know? Are you, are you only, what do you say? He knows it all. Are you only like a sweets, like a fruity guy? Or do you get down on Twix and chocolate? That's a really interesting that you asked that specifically. So during keto days, Europe. We lost. How much weight did we lose in Europe? I know I wasn't I wasn't as large as he was. Few were. I was I was from my frame I was almost 200 pounds which is a lot for me. I'm like a

I should be walking around like 170, 165. I was 260 that just gave me the beginning of the tour you and I are almost the same size I think it's just a frame thing. 200 right now you can tell the difference by like wrists yeah yeah I'm not meant to be a big bigger guy. I was probably down 40 pounds by the end of that one. Yeah. And then even... So we came home, we came back to the States.

We stayed at Daniel's Dad's House. At Daniel's Dad's. That's the first time we... Anyone stepped on a scale. Oh, wow. Fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was 200.

And you couldn't believe it. So I had lost 60 pounds. I was one, like 190... Wait, whoa, whoa. In under a month? In under a month. Dude, we were eating Schnitzel and that's it. It was Frickadel and Schnitzel back to back every day, dude.

And kebab. That's literally the bit from It's always Southern where she says that that's not possible. I did it. And I walked, I shot that down. I started the tour like 197 probably, 196. If I had the soup from Genghis Cohen, 200. Yeah. Amen.

Do not get the egg drop soup. Do not get the vet of the Grop soup. He just worked that salt off. That show was two years ago. One full year of being bloated. my my watch and wrists hurt what did you get down to i got i stepped on that scale as like 163 165 was the thinnest i got in 2018 on keto same yeah he looked dot i have i have the before breakfast before christmas dinner after christmas dinner the first time i saw you was after we had

our trailer stolen at 1720 oh right oh my god i was you were so anyway see-through i couldn't Back to candy. The only treat I would allow myself in Europe was occasionally I would have a twix. A single twix. And I think it was some kind of ketosis hypnosis that was telling your brain like, no, no, I'm desperate for sugar. I need anything. Maybe. Eat this thing that you never had before.

A single? I don't know if I was ever in ketosis because we were eating schnitzel, which has breading on it. But I know that I was very low carb. Very low carb. Very low calorie. Yeah. We were not eating that much. I was skinning my McNuggets.

Yeah, you were. I do. I do think I was in the chest. Taylor was pulling the breading off McNuggets, which is psychos. We were doing a grilled chicken breast sandwich. That didn't exist there. In Germany? Also, they don't grill.

This was one of the first times, though, that we were playing 45-minute sets. That's true. Dude. That's so much cardio. Especially for you. I'm like trying to move around as much as I can. So it was just a mix of we're eating not that much. There was not a lot of food available.

You know, there's no You're driving at night And you stop, there's nowhere to eat In Europe Unless you want kebab Which there's only so much kebab of man can eat Right And so we were 45 minutes of cardio

Every day And then not that much food So we lost a shit ton of water And that's why we get home And we're like, okay, I guess we're runners now Yeah, yeah We have to do the same thing Yeah, honestly

Oh So that's, we've been broken Since And then you've physically been broken since you did MRFs for 30 days straight, right? Yeah. Which, what is a MRF again? A MRF is a mile, a mile run, 100 pull-ups, 200 push-ups, 300 air squats, and then another mile.

And did this 30 days in route. 31. It was January. And I think that that I haven't really seriously worked out since then. And that was like two years ago? Because everything hurts. Yeah. Wow.

It was not good for me. So awesome. So anyway, Tori's Candy Very difficult for us Yes Historically But it's so much fun

Yeah We have the best The laughs The laughs Laugh a minute And a lot of them were kale A lot of them's kale Or being on the phone

Under a blanket And yelling at Gabe What was great was Everybody Like retorting to something Cail says And then him just like Taking it

And then Gabe doing it And he'd be like Shut the fuck up Gabe Like Gabe was the one guy Beneath Kale On the wrong

Of like People he could talk shit to It was great Classic It was great RIP Love them both When you go to a movie

What are you snacking on I'm a popcorn guy Now strictly Unless I'm bringing My own candy Okay What would you bring It just depends

What kind of candy store They got Near us You know If I'm going Outside It's sugar I'm sure

We'll get into Later Because I have I have a feeling It's gonna come up I don't So the thing that has been bothering me, post-COVID, it's like a soft candy world now. Yeah.

There's no hard candies. The like gummy ropes. Dude. Even those nerds clusters? Soft candy. Gobstoppers, not in Walgreens anymore. The sprees are chewy. I do like chewy sprees.

I like them too, but I want a hard spree. You know. Oh, tell me about your CVS. Postmates order when you live in Chicago. It's Walgreens. Walgreens. You know the Walgreens on the one that was five minutes from your apartment? Yes.

Probably less than five, right? A walk. A walk. Yeah. I would postmates rock star and a bag of Starburst jelly beans almost every day. I love Starbursts. And it was because I had just had knee surgery. Oh, yeah.

So it started. It started that way. And then when I was walking. I had knee surgery. When I was walking. I was still doing it. I'll tell you what, I did not need knee surgery to order Domino's to 1717, North Normandy Avenue. Here's a picture.

Here's the map of my old apartment to Domino's. Sit on that for a minute. I did that all. Did you ever postmates dumplings from that spot in the other Hollywood? No, because I liked how nice the lady was to me. Okay. So I wanted to hear her go, hi, Mr. Will. set apart we

we were going to arc light all the time and then also dumplings dumplings there's a dumpling place there's an amazing picture with me and Shannon eating there of me eating a family size meal in a shirt that didn't fit

anytime I did that was my orange soda era you went through an orange soda time dude I had everywhere I went large orange soda what was your favorite which one? The dump one from the dump phanta fantata all day yeah

Sun Kiss is joke too But my god You couldn't keep I knew a large orange soda I hated to see me coming me I was unstoppable And we would walk it off We would walk it off

To Arclight Amoevo To Arclight about About half mile away Yeah Not that far Arclade had good snacks Arclay was litus dude

Did you ever go to the one in Chicago I did that was my first Arclight experience Was there It was a shing Did they have the jalapia cheese pretzel Yeah they had everything It was great It's a regal now

And they kept Much like the theater. The Sherman Oaks one and the Pasadena one are both regals now. Taylor and I went and saw the Barbie movie. And it was like they had the posters and everything still. Yeah, I mean, it's still the same. Like, they didn't change anything. But they don't do the intro.

They don't respect the craft. No. I mean, no one does. You have a particular move in the theater. What's that? When somebody's making some noise. Oh, you just yell, shut the fuck up? But like, do it?

How loud do you actually yell it? Shut the fuck up. That is true. I heard it. What's the percentage of win rate on that? Oh, most of the time. People are embarrassed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Unless I find that teenagers aren't embarrassed by much these days. They're hitting the gritty in the back. I can't stop. Everyone dogs on me. I'm a regalman. Simply because that's the theater that's closest to me. Yeah. Don't have the same problems that I do whenever I go to an AMC.

Really? AMC is for scrubs, dude. That theater. Nicer, nicer facilities. Barely. And usually have IMAX screens. Regals, I have to go to Alhambor for an IMAx screen. Ugh.

But. No disc to Alhambor. Driving to Alhambor. Yeah. But, Amc's just riffraffty. The theater that's on Western and Logan by that target, that's a regal.

And I went through the other day for the Deadpool movie. They had nothing but popcorn. Oh. And no ice. No ice. no ice that's brutal ice

emce's never done that to me strict popcorn guy now though um even if I haven't had a meal I'll still just have popcorn popcorn I never crave it

yeah and then when it's there I can't stop I can't stop I hate getting nachos or hot dogs and stuff because I'm done with it before the movie starts

yeah but that's but then I don't have to worry about I love getting a an agency dog is the best thing about it I like watching a thing with a thing yeah like big

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Let's do the bits. Yeah, so the first one, you just talked about at Deadpool. And every real deal episode, we did a thing called talking about a particular movie. Roll the song. Thank you.

Let's talk about Deadpool and Wolverine. Without spoilers, what a pile of shit. No, we should. We should spoil. Skip if you're... Skip if you haven't seen it. We're going to spoil it. What piece of shit this movie is?

I just... You kind of can't talk about the quality of this movie without talking about the quality post-end game. It's abysmal. Think about the fun we had watching Endgame. I've never felt that and I'll never... I screamed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When Steve picked up the hammer. That was, you really did. What's funny is the classic, like, Twitter video. Yeah. Of the whole, dude, that was everyone's theater. That had to have been on our theater. I watched compilations of those, honestly. Because it makes me feel good.

Yeah, it feels good. It feels, it's like. And that's the only time where, like, at now. Pre-COVID, like, it felt good. If that, if that reaction happened during Deadpool Wolverine, I would be like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, like, what part of it? of this is cool.

But I was involuntary. And here's the thing. Here's the thing about Deadpool Wolverine is I had, it was the same feeling I had in Dr. Strange three when the Illuminati stuff was happening. Oh yeah. That was horrible. Or two, except for two hours. Oh, my God.

I'm sick of these fucking cameos. I'm sick of multiverse. I'm sick of crossovers. It's like this was barely better than the flesh. I agree. I will say that like I pop for Wesley Snipes. Sure. I liked that.

But ultimately, you know that. That it's worth fucking pointless. Yeah, that it's useless. The whole movie makes the whole thing pointless. Well, the whole, the movie shouldn't exist. Loki season one. Because of Loki season one, too. Right.

Half of the movie is Loki season one again. Yeah, how does that work? It's insane. Loki's big decision at the end of season two is what negate makes this not, this should never happen again. Yes. And that's, I mean. The timelines are fine.

They're fine. They can exist. They don't have to purge. But his is just special? No, they, doing it because Tom Wamsgans is saying I'm going against the new TVA rules and I'm going to purge this thing

you suck then then you should see this Marvel just makes every movie has to shit on some previous idea I don't think this is the worst one recently I think they've made like Eternals is Self-serious and Territified

ass holy shit it's ass Shang Chi Marvel's Great Marvels I would say is fun Marvels is a C But I had the best time watching

Shang Chi's an A Well we were on tour together And we were somewhere together Marvels Yeah I think we were at Tulsa We were broke and we needed to Yeah we had a die

You know Shang chi's straight up rocks She rocks Everything else Black Panther 2 is the dog No Way Home doesn't have the It doesn't have staying power.

You see it once, you pop once. It was a great experience. You think about it for two seconds and you're like, bad movie. What else? The rest of them. The TV is mostly, not mostly pretty good, but it's like. Started strong. One Division is fine.

I never really liked it. I liked it at first. I liked Falcon Winter Soldier. I liked Loki. The rewrite of Falcon Winter Soldier is insane. The COVID thing and the boat thing. I'm curious what it's going to be like. Um,

um, Miss Marvel amazing. Oh, great show. Just a family. Yeah. Uh,

what else? What else was there? Hawkeye was thought. Hawkeye was rocked. I liked Hawkeye. Did Captain Marvel come out since then? Since then?

Captain Marvel too. No, Captain Marvel came out between Infinity Warren. Which was fun. We liked. They had a good time. I didn't like it.

No, the Marbles. Oh, the Marbles. I did like the marbles. Yeah, you loved it. I loved it. I loved it.

He loved it. He loved it. He loved it. He loved it. He loved it. loves freelance. Hugh Jackman was awesome. And his what? He was fine. I thought he was great. He was good.

He was good. I mean, he did the best he could in that terrible shitty situation. Dude. The montage of alternate. The mask wasn't even that cool. I see those were all cooler. It was cool, but it's like now it's wasted. Yeah. Right. Now it's just

now it's like you can't have that in a Wolverine movie and it be exciting anymore. Because you know. It's already been done. It's a joke. It's a throw. This is why I don't like I don't like Lego Batman. I don't like anything that takes the piss out of it.

I'm also sick of everything being funny. Which is why internals could have been good. Yeah, it's constant. It's constant. Which is like Guardians 3. Actually, Gardens 3 is probably one of my favorites of the post

end game because it has like mountains of heart but it's not all funny. It's not all. It's funny. Not all, hey, remember this? Yeah.

There were even moments in Deadpool 1 and 2 that were like... Wait, no, no, no, seriously. Yeah, there were like... And granted, I don't really like Deadpool 1 and 2 either. He does. But it's just because I don't like... He says that every time and then we watch them together. It's just because I don't like Deadpool.

Yeah. Yeah. And I've seen Ryan Ronald's stick forever. Sick of the bit. Since waiting. Yeah. You know? It's truly. He's waiting guys.

He's just doing waiting, but with swords. But it's not good. It's not. It's not. It's not. 23% or whatever it has. It's offensively high. It's not worth a billion dollars. No.

It's just what you, you have Deadpool and Wolverine together for the first and only time. I said it felt like an episode of family guy, a two-hour episode of family. It was. It kind of does. Yeah. It's like the Blue Harvest family guy, Star Wars thing, but they did Deadpool instead. Yeah, it's ass. So that was talking about a particular one.

Well, should we talk about Romulus? No, he hadn't seen it. I hadn't seen it. You can talk about it generally. No, no, no. Okay. And so that's too new. That's too new.

Nobody's seen it yet. It comes out tomorrow. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Or came out yesterday. Or a week ago when this comes out. One of our other segments was a top five. Today we've picked a special kind of hardcore music related top five because Alec plays guitar and sings in holy so we thought we would do top five singers who also play an instrument.

Oh, I didn't. I didn't prepare this at all. What the hell, man? I thought we only had to prepare the other thing. No, that one, too. All right. Well, I can do this off the top. You can do this off the top of the head.

I'll go first. Number five, Todd Jones. Whoa. I didn't even think about that. Dude, he's... You're going to kill this. He re-created himself. He's goaded.

For sure. He's every time he does carry on, goaded. Terror, goaded. Changes the world. Nails, changes the world. Goated. For sure. Legend.

New album out soon. Number five, for a specific time period, Harley Flamed. Yeah, that's fair. Best wishes? Hardcore. Hardcore. It's pretty sick.

I remember when he was playing Sound of Fury, Martin was asking me, because they had to change the digital backdrop for every song. And between songs, Martin would be like, is this best wishes or is this hardcore? I'm sorry, I have to look at my thing just to make sure.

But I have other ones. All right, so does it have to be hardcore related? No, I mean, it can't be. It literally can't be. It literally can't be. All right. Claudia Sanchez. That's my next pick.

Wow. Claudia Sanchez, Kohide. Absolutely. You're a coheed head. Oh. I mean, post five, I didn't really listen to it after that. Six is, you're the Black Rambo's kicks ass. But the first four albums.

Incredible. I love five. I love five too. Yeah, that's a god, guitar god, vocal god, all around God. Well, even as not a fan, it's like objectively. And also, not only. him that band is full of the most talented musicians

drummer is a fucking legend bass player just walking it do do do taking it for a while and then they're like two guitar players switching off lead and rhythm like it's so cool but yeah he's number five

it's pretty good yeah that was my number four oh shit yeah um this one this one's funny because it can be either but bobby or Evan signfield oh oh

Nice. Billy. I had Evan, but I thought, they kind of have to. Have you ever heard them before? Biohazard? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good pick.

That is great. Watch them at a fest like a month ago. And it was just like, I mean, Evan's even doing the like mic thing where he's holding out a mic stage. You just like doing stuff that's like, this is awesome. You shouldn't be doing that. You should not be doing that. It all works. really well and then you look at like older videos yeah smokes it it's inspiring for sure because

it's like you don't need a frontman frontman it's very scary and of a lot of band and of a lot of bands like like biohazard is a band that sounds like they should have a front yeah said they've got two and they're both and they're both instruments doing all yeah good pick good pick good answer good answer. Jeff G. Oh, man. So that came to mind. And I didn't, when they were, when they did a reunion, I didn't expect Holders

Life to not have a standalone singer the whole time. I was, I don't think that, I think he switched off. He did both, right? He did both. So, so how are we categorizing that? I mean, he does it too. He does it. But I asked you specifically.

Oh. If this was going to be something where a singer switches off or not. Yeah, but he's, he's, he did it for a whole era. Yeah. He's only now switching out. Okay, okay, okay. Understood. Yeah.

I mean... It's a great pick. The craziest thing is that. Craziest voice. Crazyest voice. And the fact that we talked about it with him on the episode was that there's a specific feedback tone. Yeah. And then the first video I saw from Tide Down was that exact fucking feedback tone.

He talked about how deliberate it was and how like if somebody else in the band wasn't getting it, he would be like, check your shit and fix it. You need the swell. That's crazy. It's unbelievable. I wouldn't know how to get it. get that. No. He's a genius. It's a wild. For sure. My number three is Tom

Gabriel Warrior. Celtic Frost, Trificon, Hillhammer. Was Tripticon a three piece or four? Four. Four. They have another guitar player, female bass player. Right. Absolute shredder drummer. I mean, this is a music. This is an all-time great pioneer

of extreme music here. Tom G. Respect. Totally. A guy hates cruelty. hates cruelty. The band? Yeah, because they did the shirt. They did a shirt with just like the emblem on it. Oh, really?

He was so offended by it. Get over. I understand that it's just, it's a tribute. It's a tribute. Paul McCartney. Exactly. Tribute. Beatles.

The Beatles. Tears for fear. Someone asked Paul McCartney how he felt about tears for fears once. Because the interview was like, these guys are just doing Paul and John. And he was, I think he was trying to set Paul to talk. shit about Tears for Fears and Paul was just like I look at it as them paying tribute it's cool he thinks it's cool I like that yeah it's awesome that's what music is 100% we're all we're not ripping anybody off this ties well into but Bruno Mars wore the police

influence on his sleeve with that too you know what I've been on that's that silksonic LP oh yeah I can't I didn't I didn't know about it until like four months ago. Oh, really? And it was like all I was listening to for a second. So good. Now, as a Filipino, how much pride do you take?

Oh, he's great. Both of us, dude. Anderson as well. Thank you, Minari. That was, man, I heard thank you Minari once a day for three years. Thank you, crazy rich Asians. Thank you, Manari. Thank you, the next thing, you know.

Obviously. My number three was Stink. in the police. Dude, if you're able to play and sing like him, that's a three-piece band. And we don't really ever talk about the police, but the police are one of my favorite bands. Full of the dopest musicians.

It's unbelievable, and they all fucking hate each other. Is that true? Yeah, they broke up because they hate each other. That's cool. There are videos of them getting into arguments. Like Stuart Coppins doing something crazy. Like the Brian Jonestown Masker video?

What's, oh yeah, where they physically fight on stage? They're like fist fighting on stage? That's awesome. It's fucking cool. is. Here it is. No, but, you know, Supreme talent. And kind of

punk adjacent, played Ceebies. Like, matinees, like, there's a little bit there. Mom saw them at CBs. That's pretty cool. Come on. A little bit. That doesn't mean anything. It means something. Yeah, but like...

To be a band... Stigma would hear that and be like, he didn't fucking play my C.Bs. Yeah. True. They're Friday night at C.Bs playing a nobody. Sunday comes and packed.

Exactly. Keeping it alive. Is it me now? Yeah, fuck. I'll just say, Rivers Cuomo. Ooh, good pick. Singer, lead guitar player.

You're a huge Weasers. I'm a weaserman. How far into the Dissock do you go? 2002. Is that the last album? No, they've had a couple things since this. I think their last, I think it's their last full LP is

it's called okay human. You know the Matt Damon Weezer sketch? That's me. I've heard him say everything that Matt Damon says in that sketch. Every album. Guy loves Rattitude. Dude.

Multiple tracks. I see? I mean, here's the thing. He pulls out two of his best that he's got left and then surrounds it with a bunch of garbage. Sure. I'll admit that. But every album has two or three tracks.

Which is all you need to keep torn. Except for the two. two that have nothing but good drafts. I'm not a green album. Dude. Oh, green album. Pull your head out of your ass first and then re-listen to it. I have.

I have re-listened it because of you. The B-side. I love it. Full of bangers. Thoroughly love it. And it's like they're crafting. I mean, that's a... That's their be here now.

It's just misunderstood. Oh, it really is. It's amazing. And it's people to talk about it like it's pop music crap because the previous record was shat-on and that was like his most emotionally like vulnerable record Pinkerton?

Pinkerton. Yeah. So he turns in you know, it was produced by I don't know why it's gave me, the cars.

What's his face? He did blue album too. Okay. Put this in. Sir. But anyway, it's just like perfect pop music. And then some hard rifts.

Dude, the riffs are crazy. Yeah. And Hash pipe, I don't think, is a good song. No. But it's, it's, do the first two tracks on that record. Photograph. And, uh, if you want it. Oh, yeah.

Can't have it. See, like, even you, honey, I'm just like, it's not. No, dude, it's so good. Records. All right. All right. All right. All right.

All right. Oh, hold on. Learn how to play to Slayer. So. He did. Learn how to play guitar to Slayer. That's why he can, that's why he can solo. A couple of, I forgot a couple guys.

Mm. There's a lot in this list. Forgot Phil Collins. Wow. But I'm not going to amend my list. But an honorable mention. Holy hell. Drummer.

Yeah. A drummer frontman, easily the rarest. Yeah. And Tom Oryan. Forgot him too. But my number two, Max Cavalier. Good call. I was going to put him on, but I was a good call.

I got to go, Max. You know, that's, I mean, I'm, there's a lot of bands on nothing without. Sepulterra is certainly one of them. And he's doing stuff, too, that's like, They're playing faster than the record, and he's singing. In probably his third language. Oh, shit, yeah. Saying words that I don't currently understand.

Incredible. Unbelievable. Good. My number two is Peter Steele. That's naturally my number one, so we can skip that. I mean, so say what you will. Yeah. That's my favorite songwriter.

And not only is he fronting a band, singing in a band, and doing all the like technically difficult stuff. He's the mind. He's the brain. The aesthetic. Yeah. The vibe. He's fucking 11 feet tall.

So he got that going for him. It's nice. Must be nice. I know. That's my number one musician of all times. So it's not really fair. Another honorable mention before you say yours is Lars Fredericksson. Oh my God.

Great. Jesus. Not a front man. No. Well, not of his main band. Kind of. Oh, he kind of is, man. And you listen out Come to Wolves again.

He's singing. He's 60%. For sure. It's probably 40. And seeing him live. And he's singing 80%. Exactly. And playing 100%.

That's a fucking front man if I ever seen one. Great. That's good. Damn. All right. Was it three? Two. Two.

Wait. Three was Rivers. Rivers. Yeah. Who was my other one? I'm only done. Todd Burdett. singer of tragedy.

Oh wow. Good pick. Hell yeah. Yeah. Good pick. I never saw a tragedy. I've seen them once. I never even seen a video of tragedy.

I saw them. I was like, maybe 19 or 20, and I knew I'd never want to see them again. Oh. Not because they were bad. They were amazing. It was so good.

The crowd of people. Like we were talking about, I'm dressed nice, one of smell good. You are currently wearing deodor. I am currently wearing deodor. It was just a disgusting scene. But they were great.

Yeah. And he rocks. His hero's gone, tragedy. Yeah, legend. Yeah. Absolutely legend. James Hatfield is my number one. Yeah.

Everything that you said about people. I feel like I've only said four. I think, I mean, he's the best rhythm guitar player of all time for one. 100%. So to be singing all that, to be doing all that over the best rhythm guitar playing in history. And dude, also have. having more leads than you think. He has his own solo.

He doesn't have to be the rhythm guitar player. He is a lead guitar player, which makes him the best rhythm guitar player of all time. Is it me now again? Number one. So, didn't prepare. But I think... Jeff G. was your other one, by the way.

Oh, you're right. Okay, I'm going to say Chris from Saves the Day. Dude. Who wasn't always. Who was not? And then did. On, stay what you. are kind of complicated guitar playing.

Is that when he started? That's when he started. He mean he wrote everything before that. Well, but there's videos of them playing like the late night show where he's standalone singer on that record. I think it was actually, it was in revery. The touring. I think it was the touring on Stay What You Are.

Yeah, because I saw them on the Blink tour. Yeah. And he was playing guitar. Yeah. So it was in Reverie, which you could kind of stay what you are. And it must have been just on the touring. In Reverie came out in 2004. I remember because my friend Brian, we got the CD at best buy.

He threw it out the window. A shame. That record fucking rocks. Stay What You Are is the last one that I love, I would say. There's tracks across the board. But yeah, I agree. Love. I love Stay What You Are.

Yeah. It's great. And that if he's playing, I mean, if he's playing live those songs and singing, that's tough. It's cool. A lot of that, too, is like, not. on the down picking. Yeah. I mean, the chorus to Yu Vandal

and singing that down down. Yeah. Doesn't make sense to me that he can sing it. Yeah, yeah, it's tough. It's not, yeah. Yeah, it's not easy. And also, obviously, he's like the only member

who stayed the whole time. Yeah. So, like, he is doing everything. And then near the end, like they did the Warped Tour 2017. and their set list was whatever anyone wanted. Really? They would ask other bands on the tour,

what do you want to hear us play? That's crazy. And they knew every song. Very hate breed where it's like, yeah, we know pretty much everything. Yeah, I saw them like 2008, and he just gets on stage and he like, we have a set list,

but I'm just going to, we're not going to play anything newer than the year 2000. That's awesome. And it was just ups and downs and then two LPs. Yeah. The song ups and downs too.

Yeah. It's a good one. That's a line. John's favorite song. It's great song. So another game we used to play is called Name That Movie. This is going to be hard. This is going to be tough.

But we recently revitalized this in the Twitching Tongues van. And I smoked everyone. You smoked us. So I think that'll happen again today. What we're going to do... I don't know. The hard lore version of it is going to be... We're all going to name a record label and a year with a specific record in mind.

And the other two have to guess it. And whoever wins at the end doesn't have to do spaghetti shoes. Label year. Yeah, label. What did you say? Spaghetti shoes? Yeah, no spaghetti shoes if you win. I'm doomed.

First, I'll buy you a pair of shoes. You got to do something. Tomorrow at the show. Tomorrow at the show, loser does spaghetti shows. So I'll go first. Ready?

2001, this is easy. Okay. 2001, Bridge 9 records. Death threat, peace and security? No. Bridge 9. 2001.

What did you say? 2009? 2001. No warning. No warning. No one. No one. Bridge 9 records.

Carry on. a way, let's play. Blango. Blango. Great, yeah. Great answers. All right. Well, one for, one for Allen. 1989 profile records.

Oh, Carmine's Best Wishes. That was my next one I was going to say. All right. 2001 equal vision records. Ooh. Petitioning? Converged petition. That was.

after a chained dough 2001 oh equal vision no it's not jane do yeah petitioning's

before was it yeah okay yeah 2001 EVR hardcore hardcore hardcore

East coast East coast East coast New England I'm gonna I'm wearing spaghetti shoes Might as well boil them up now

hang on what came out on EVR 2001 EBR. EVR. This is a bow one. This is a bow one. It's not a label.

HopeCon. File. You're getting there. No, that's West Coast. Suicide file? You're getting there. His eyes is wide when I said HopeCon. EVR.

Members. Member of Hope conspiracy is now in this band. No. It's not Jane Do. It's not Jando. 2001. That was on epitaph, too, I think. See, this is brutal.

EVR is just a catalog that escapes me. Oh, I got two EVRs on here. I'll take it off. I'll take one off. 2001. No, we're going to get this. Member of the HopeCon. From New England.

So it's like suicide file or HopeCon or Kaven. Nope. Or. Taylor got it. Taylor got it. Rees the sky. I wouldn't. personally

do we need another one yeah yeah um Kanye West ripped off this artwork Burzum

um ripped off the artwork AN was it down to our underground no no no no the other one the other one

background background background music I got it okay I feel like he he wouldn't have gotten if he didn't say that

I didn't I should have known that it was you I did not know it was equal vision and yes yeah

and Jerry Alexander Okay. My next one that isn't 89 profile records is, this is really funny. 2000, Bridge 9 records. Death rate? Yes. Piece of screen. This game fucking stupid.

2002 universal records. That was a tie? Go ahead. Pretty good. All right. Bridge 9 records, 2006. Oh, this is fun. Oh, shit.

Okay. It's not the one you're immediately thinking of. Death Force Honor. Nope. One with the underdogs? No. Bridge 9. The scoffing?

I don't know this. I'm sorry. Bridge 9, 2006. What came on 2006? When did one with the underdogs? 2004. On Trusco Records. 2006.

Bridge 9. They're playing F.A. Dude, the last, the one, what was it? Count me in? Banger. And the record before that?

Banger. Band rocks. Band does rock. They have one of my favorites all-time skank parts. What is it? I think it's Back to Misery. That's a great song.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-na-da-na-da. Sick. Ben-rups. 2006, Virgin-9 Records from New England. Played First Street Billiards a couple months ago. 2006, Bridget-N records. New England. Playing F.Y.A. this year.

Playing F.Y.A. I know. That's so weird. All, all, all. narrow it down give me one more I'll give you how about I hum a riff okay that's even more fun yeah

yeah da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da oh it's think I care boom very good nature of the paste okay got it

I forget that was brisine it's one of those things tough games I made this but like I made mine for you guys to be able to pick I thought that you would get these yeah but like you're going to hear

the rest of my name. All right. So this one is this is going to be a fast Alec, I think then. Great. 1989, Caroline Records.

Judge? No. 1989? 1989? Warzone? Nope. The Caroline Records is fucked. Yeah.

Because everything came out on that. 89. Used to day? No. No? Because that's... We love them on this show. We really do.

Liberty and Justice? Ask me some yes or no questions. Liberty? New York? Yes. Not city. That would complicate your answer, I think, because the singer

1989 was not from New York. Connecticut? No. It's like New York and Jersey. Okay. Oh. Underdog. Thank you.

The Jersey was the thing. I didn't even. I didn't even. That's why New York is like, yeah, they're from New York. Dude, you better, you better get boiling, brother. You want Bucatini or you want... I should have just hosted this game between the two of you. That's what Mike gave up and just started hosting it.

Yeah, 1987 Revelation Records. Which one? Start today. That's early. Can't close my eyes? Nope. It's 86, right? 87 rep.

That's early. That's very early. Some might say the earliest. Rev. O.1. Warzone EP? Yeah. That was a good hit.

That was a really good hit. Yeah. Nice. I got a fun one next. Me too. Me too. I made mine too hard. I'm sorry.

No, it's, for me, they're literally all impossible. All right, this one, this one, you're going to have fun with this one. Okay, good. Victory Records. Love it. 1995. 95 victory. This could be so many things.

Fear of 5, no reason to smile. Nope. 95 victory. It's too early for ringworm. It sure is. Oh, those are fear tomorrow? No. Humanity's Adel?

No. Systems overload. Yeah. Got one. It's coming back. When was those of fear tomorrow? Not 93. He's saying I'm wrong with the year.

That seems wrong. I don't think I'm wrong. I think, no, because what was seasons was 97. Integrity 2000 was. Okay, ready? Ready? Here's my last one. 2005, victory records.

2005? 2005 victory records. Oh, no, that's too early. Taking meck Sunday where you want to be? I know that's not the answer. 2005. It's a late one. It's a late one.

Hardcore. Oh, yeah. We love it on this show. 95, or 2005, sorry. He'll be bummed. Bo would be bummed if he doesn't get it. I'm not bummed at all. I don't know this shit.

I don't know what record label put up the talibre. Victory records. Universal, I'm pretty sure. Electra. So you do now. I had to think about it. I got it. I feel like there's a few that I haven't said.

Is that your last one? Yeah, because he did the best one. Pick a different one. 2005. No, hold on, hold on. Who would I be bummed to not know?

Have we said it yet? Oh, is it ringworm? Yes. Birth is pain. No, it was just this replaced part of bed. Excellent work.

I got to pick a new thing, though. All right, Bo, it's your turn. Ready? Yes. Listen now. Listen now.

1992 Tang records. Oh, dude, is it slap shot? It's not. Tang. Wish we would have talked about it. I mean, I have a slap shot on here. So I'm gonna... Is it the second Crumb suckers record?

Nope. 1999. Ninety two. Tang. This is gonna kill you. And I hope it hurts. Alpha Omega was Century Media and 91. Because Loading Moon Hard came out of the year.

I was born. Retaliation came out of the year. Taylor was born. Pretty beautiful. Wow. That's just time. Isn't that cool? A lot of things happen.

Time. Time is crazy. 92 Tang. 92. Tang? Tang is weird. They were putting records out in 92. Tang records.

Before the delicious orange drink. What is it? I'm not going to say. I already know. Yeah. You should know it. Tang is tough, though. 92.

All right. Where? Where from? Region. Ask. East Coast. Are they from New England? Yes.

Okay. New England. piebald. Yeah! You're part of it. Is it only witness promo reform? Nope.

4-5-4 Big Block. No, not 92. New England. Ask me, let me narrow it down. Massachusetts? Is it? Yes.

San Black Church. No. No. Is it Grimlock? No. That was, Not tang 92

pin drop records was Grimaud 92 Tang from New England fucking hell Boston from Connecticut

Oh from Boston It's not necessarily hardcore Mighty Mighty Boston Yes No What was 92 then The record

No No Let's face it was 97 Or not What's the fucking What's the record That's like 94.

92. Is it? No, we're not going to get it. So he gets the point. Yeah. Devil's Night Out. Tang. It was 92?

Holy shit. Wow. What a band. I had a sudden death overtime on mine. What? What? Wrong year, he says. For which one?

For that. Was Systems 95? That was right? Okay. Oh. I was the wrong year? Hold on. I have it

I'll show you whatever you dumb bastard Tang records says 1992 on discogs All right Still wrong I gotta pick something Producer Taylor

It's me now right Yeah it's you All right What does it say 93 Or had to be before 91 90

So they re-released it I guess I got a good one I don't want to do one that you're not going to get I guess I thought you would get some of these way easier. DreamWorks Records 2003.

Summer Underground. No? Singxarro. It was 2003. I liked the... I mean, that's DreamWorks Records 0.01 and O.O.2. December Underground was Interscope.

Oh, okay. Interesting. Good call. Because I was about to say 1999 Nitro Records. Black sales. That I would have got. Yeah. That's maybe the one.

I always named that album. It took fucking forever. Holy shit. What are we eight hours in? I love it. So I didn't do all five. Okay. But I had a,

I had coheed. I was about to do coheed. That was equal to be. 2003 EVR. Yeah. And then I had sudden death over time, but I spoiled it. 83 plan nine was the last one.

Gotcha. So let's walk people through the, the birth of Holy Blade real quick because it's, I feel like it kind of started with Nudy Mag because that was you fronting a band for the first time. Kind of.

Not really. Oh, well, there's Ballas. So it really started with Ballasong. It really started with Ballasong. Possibly the last real band ever. I mean, that is true. Ballasong was a demo that Alec, Josiah, Taylor, and I did in one single day, written and recorded in one single day just to open a show because no other band wanted

to open the show. As real as it gets. To quote how the show go. We had a great time. I threw up after we played because I'd never. sang before. He moshed for a whole eight minutes. Yeah.

Yeah. It was awesome. Barfed. Yeah. I was like this. Josiah telling me, I just read the lyrics. That song is really good. And I was like, okay.

So, a ball song plays our one show. It's available on 197 media set, which is crazy. I had no idea it was on there. Don't watch it. But listen to the demo. It's not streaming anywhere. It should be.

We'll figure that. Hardville Records. 0-0-0-6. That wasong songbound Then nudie mag comes along Alex singing for the first time What year was that? 2019

Came out 2019 The demo Then the LP came out March 13th, 2020 The day of lockdown So awesome But I don't know that we would have ever played No

I didn't want to Yeah You guys had a baby It wasn't even really That kind of thing No I didn't seem like I was also scared

Yeah Which is still currently I'm still very scared Well because you're about To get the worst of both worlds because singing nice live sucks but being like the frontman and playing sucks so you're kind of getting a combo but when did you decide you could do that like how did that so I think actually faith alone had to drop a show it was like soul search's return yeah at 1720 and then there was a

terror show we had to drop too yeah but we had to that soul search show specifically I was like maybe Dennis Singer Freedom sang for that band couldn't play the show and I was just like maybe I should just sing it and play and play. We ended up not doing that. Then lockdown happens and I just started writing a bunch of songs. No, this is post lockdown. Oh yeah, duh. Faith alone was post-locked. Yeah, but I had a bunch of songs for Faith Alone. We were going to do an LP. We were going to do a Faithel NLP. That didn't happen. And it was like, what should we do with these?

Yeah. And I just happened to, I came with, I got a name. He had that name for a while. I had that whole, Bullet Blade was going to happen whether anybody was in it or not. The name existed. The name was mine, regardless. And then the, the,

him melodically singing over the songs quickly became the next move. That's basically. And most of the demo, almost the entire demo, were Faith Alone songs. Yeah. With the exception of the song with the video, everything else was like almost not changed. Oh, cool. Yeah.

Like, I think we, I probably would have, I probably made some things that were minor major. Okay. But other than that, like, mostly. It wasn't, we didn't approach the EP as AFI worship. No. Really, only, only that was like, it would be cool to do some kind of AFI tips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then your voice naturally just kind of sounds like that.

I don't even, does it? There's just, there's, there's things that, you can't escape it. Yeah, I mean, it's a band I've been listening to for over half my life. You know, I guess that there's some bleeding there. We prepared for it thinking like, yeah, people are going to sound like, think it sounded like AFI. And then a week or a few days into it, only being like,

if I worship was like, all right, maybe we need to do less. Yeah. And I'm sure everyone who's ever written a song thinks this way, but it's just like, there's other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so much other stuff. That's only for you. I know. And that's fine.

Like, there's the obvious stuff and that's what people hear. And that's fine. But man, we love the FBI. Oh, for sure. So it's fine. You did one of my favorite things that a new band does in that you release a five-song EP. Yeah. That's my favorite thing.

It's my favorite thing when a band with two LPs. does. I mean, that was the best thing that Freedom ever did was due. Never had a choice? Never had a choice.

What a fucking bang. Short form media like that? I'm finding. For hardcore, it's, it is the best format. And like, the nature,

like the landscape of music now, like the way people are consuming music, it's like, is an LP even, and I don't agree with it. I love an LP. I love a,

I love a thought out, a thought out 10 songs. Yeah. But like, people aren't consuming 10 songs a row. Rarely.

Rarely. I mean, you know what I mean? Even if it's something you're familiar with already that you love, you probably don't have time to sit through. Yeah, it's fun. I just got my record player and everything set up in my apartment. And I was like, all right, listen to a record. And I started doing stuff.

And like when it was side is just gone. When it was time to turn it, I just turned on Sonos and kind of carried on with my life. It is tough. It is tough. Like people, like, we're already planning on the next thing. It's not an LP. It's not an LP. You know?

Fuck yeah. So it's just. just like. It's the nature of music now. I want to do an LP, but are people consuming LPs? They got it. It's got to be,

and I think bands like Coyo did it, right, where it's like you don't do it until they need it. You know? Yeah. Don't do the LP until they're begging you for. Painter Truth. Fleshwater. Didn't flesh water.

Didn't do the LP until they needed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Years with singles and seven inches and, you know, and splits. And that to me is hardcore. Yeah. Like, interesting. The seven inch is the ultimate format.

I love a seven inch. Well, hardcore historically, oftentimes is great demo, perfect seven inch, disappointing LP. Yeah, unless you're killing time. Unless you're killing time, we're dropping rights. Yeah. Yeah. So you got to find ways to avoid that. Just keep doing it.

EP? Good EP? Great EP. Better EP. Well, like, what is, what would the, if you just do an, you just do. EP every six or eight months. Do you ever need an LP? No.

Until you make it a compilation. The problem is LPs, EPs are eventually forgotten. And like, and it's kind of, at this point, it's, that used to be our fault. Now it's kind of Spotify's fault. Yeah, but imagine if Trafftern Arnares plays death clock ticking.

Oh, I mean. I mean, freedom did tour with them and it popped off, all of us were killing each other. You were. Yes. But I mean, like, those songs. Dude. Come on. I just...

I don't know. I just don't know. I don't know. I mean, we're probably going to do it off the other piece. For sure. It's just scary also. It's a lot. And also, you guys are taking a gamble on a thing.

So to put in that much work into something that is, could still be a gamble at that time. It's like, yeah. For sure. And I mean, I think for the first time and the last time maybe we're like doing a new thing that we're willing to take as far as it can go. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how many more new bands I have in me. And, you know.

We're just having a great talent. We are. That was, and that, like, the four guys that the band is. Yeah. Is half the fun. And, yeah, exactly. And I, I wouldn't do another band with people I don't know or, like. You took a crazy risk joining Twitch and Tynchang's hate.

Yeah, I didn't even think Taylor liked me. I still don't know if he likes me. That's just him. That's just his person. Taylor's my son's godfather, basically. And I thought for a while, he just hated my guts. No, no. You know, you play guitar and God's hate when you joined it, which was hilarious, because I also

play guitar. Yeah. So that's Holy Blood now. It is really funny. You know what's crazy? The worst era lineup in God's state history is now Holy Blame. You know what I think about a lot is the years of playing bass has made me such a good guitar player, not good guitar player, but a much better guitar player.

Interesting. My fingers just move faster. I just they have to. My dexterity is better just because of the longer neck. And I mean, being around these guys who are constantly creating and talking about music, you know, has just made me a better, made me think about guitar in a different way. The shapes and the boxes. Yeah, the shape. Like, I never, I knew, I knew I had a certain.

shape that I like when I play music, I didn't think about them as shapes until I was with them. And then learning the God's Hate record the other day, you see that I got to have my box. It's so dumb. You know? We need my box. Yeah, we grinded those three songs and it was. It's all in the box stuff. It's in the box. Yeah.

And it's like songs you haven't listened to also. Like I haven't listened to the full record in a long time because we've been playing the same six songs from it. and it was it was tough but um no but like this record's cool and and it's fun and i like a lot of time i like a thing that i've talked to taylor about was i think that hardcore bands should have more guys that listen to death metal but not necessarily make death metal not make heavy music i think why god's hate or like never ending game never ending game never ending game isn't like they're a metallic hardcore band in a sense but like I think having people that like death metal they think about tags in a different way love me some tags death metal's all

tags yeah right and they never repeat and they never repeat and that makes straightforward hardcore more interesting of course and we have the mind to be like we should repeat that one it's actually sick yeah that would be crazy but I think Never ending game takes a thing that can sound super stock and they make it not. Yeah. Because they have the death metal thing and then also like sort of a pop music way of thinking about hardcore. And I think that's why a band like that works.

And I think that that's with Holy Blade, some of the stuff that I brought to the band, like Colin twisted in like a little way that I wouldn't have thought about. Yeah. So I think that that's why like having sort of a diverse. And we've been making stuff together now just for seven years. Yeah. So we get a good hang on like, and we're not going to argue over it.

If you're like, that doesn't work, I'm like, yeah, cool, I'm going to use it for something else. Yeah, exactly. I mean, there was a part there. I was just like, that sounds like Twitching Tongues. Yeah, I use it for Twitching. Great idea. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like the most, this is kind of the first time. where I've been able to just show up, you know? Like, not much as expected of me. And that's been, like, my dream the whole time. Because I'll get a lot of texts. And I've got a lot of, like, we should do a band together. And I'll be like, that sounds great.

And then the next question is, you got riffs? Dude, nothing like a, no-riff-having band starter. I don't have. I got nothing left. It's like, that's like the thing, singer-looking for a musician. What are you looking for? You're looking for songs. Yes, exactly.

So you're showing up. And it's nice for me as your friend and, like, creator of stuff with you for a long time for you to just have a win, you know? Yeah. That feels good to me. What do you, do you have goals for this? Yeah, for the project. No.

There's something that would, there's, well, you have to have something that's like, I would like to be able to do this. I think we really just wanted to make that record and play some shows. Cool. Yeah. So anything. And like, a thing about this that I've seen people like kind of dog on is that we came out. maybe a little too pro right away like music video LP right away or like record right away and

A I don't got a lot of time yeah so if I'm going to do it I don't got time to to grind a demo yeah you know in my life and also it's just like I I knew at this point in my life like I'm gonna put out if I'm gonna put out something it's gonna be the best version it can be right away sure And like... But that's what making hardcore music for 20 years gets you is... Right. A relationship with a label that goes... Yeah, a lot of people...

Yeah. That's like... That's not what nepotism is. No. No, no. You got your... You don't, like... There's a reason why a job will call references.

Yeah. Except we knows all our reference. We are the reference. Yeah, exactly. Our other things on the label are the reference. Which of why it should work. Right. And you guys, yeah.

You got out-of-town shows and stuff. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's super cool. And it was like half the battle happened before it even came out. Like, my friends liked it. That was, like, cool enough, you know. And to, to, like, make something is just its own reward. That's the best part.

Like, yeah, it is. That's why that's the rush that we're addicted to is, like, getting the record for the first time. And I don't like playing shows. So, like, all the cool stuff has already happened. For me. It's all done. I like being here. Yeah, but we like gear.

I know. Yeah, that's true. I love. So we get to finally use it. I got a whole new pedal board. But, like, this is the part I like. I like Taylor telling me I'm playing shitty and doing it again, you know. Not to say that I don't like playing shows.

Like, obviously I do. But I'm just nervous. I'm scared. You have the right to be, but also you sound really good and you're playing. You're right. You deserve it. I just don't want to. The thing is it's impossible.

For me at this moment, I think it's impossible to do one of them good without the other one suffering. But you know for a fact that's not true. I don't know. Because of guys like Claudia. No, no, no. I'm saying, though, in objective reality. But right now. And in that objective reality, there is something that is more important for you, which is singing.

Right. Because he's there. Right. So that's your. I'm helping. I got that too. I can help you. Yeah, for sure. Would Dead Bodies prepare me for that, thank you? Yeah. Is that like I'm pretty good at filling in.

It's going to sound like the record, which is cool. Yeah, it'll be cool. I'm excited. They'll all be there. We got it. Five, 30, four days ago. Four days ago. Hope you all. I realize. I realized this wasn't live just now. Damn, imagine it sucks. And then this comes out. What was your favorite part?

The part where it's where everyone's stood there. Oh, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. It's fine. I'm excited. Do you think the no frontman thing? Like we just talked about, like, that's tough.

It is tough. But also, it's also, it's scarier. I think, without an instrument. I think the absence of a frontman is less conducive to live music to an extent. Yeah. But a bad first set is way easier if you don't have to be fucking. 100%. That sounds, that sounds true.

But also, I was meaning to say that that extent is like a hurdle. And once you're past that hurdle, it doesn't matter. Interesting. Like once the band catches, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Look at title fight. We'll see. Oh, look at the biggest.

My point is they didn't start off as the biggest band ever. And that kind of music that they play is not conducive to not having it. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, of four pieces, the sickest thing. It's super sick. Yeah. So what can you do? That's just me. Just a nice, big open van.

That's just me. Yeah. You can take a minivan. See? That is one hotel. Yeah. That sounds awesome. Dude.

That sounds awesome. Mac, our merch guy, our drummer is the best merch guy in the world. Our drummer is the merch guy. I was thinking of Mike. Dude. And our bass players are mechanical genius. We got three drummers in our band. That's true.

Wow. The worst one plays drums. But we love him and he's getting so good. Three guitar players, too. And the worst one plays guitar. and the worst one plays base nobody's doing what they should be doing and alec is doing two things that i should not be doing well you're just doing them together for the first time two most important things it's real the band is just fishes out of water yeah oh i like that

so hopefully it goes well it'll be interesting we got some we got some discord questions oh shit that's right let's go to those we got a lot of we'll wrap on those sorry How do you step so good Likeing metalcore Where did you come up with with the move Because you did it Taylor's laughing But in

Not the metalcore that people are thinking of But like pre-2004 metalcore Like motherfuckers danced good That's true And you also waited Till you were good To dance

Like I don't know It's just That's it Where did you come up with the move? What move? Your move. What's the move?

Your skanking move while you're holding. Oh, I mean, that's like, Righteous Jam's videos. Yeah, but you do it different. Yeah, I mean, I'm an original for sure. But I do think, like, a large part of Twitching. Like, you're the, you're the bass player of Twitchy Tongues that people know now. Yeah, that is a weird thing for me is people not knowing me from being in freedom.

That's where I started doing it. Like, you're the skanking guy from Twitching. Which is crazy Which is fucking awesome I mean I turned A part that's not a skank part Into a skank part Into a skanker

And now we skank it And now we skanked Because of that But that was like I don't know if I'd ever seen anyone I mean it's like A righteous champs thing to me In my brain

Like I'm I'm doing Joey C Even though he's the singer Yeah I'm doing his skank Yeah You know That's the same thing

You do for a battle song Where you're throwing up Weaser top five Weaser track Oh God How long, how much longer we have? This is a long episode. That's right.

All right. I'll do buy album. Only in dreams. Give me five total. I know. Only in dreams. Okay. Tired sex.

Great. Hard song. Hard song. I'm going to do from the unreleased album, Devotion. Okay. And then smile from green album. Bang. And then I'm going to hit from Make Believe, Hold Me.

It's a deep cut. This guy knows his wazer. Yeah. What? First of all, let's get the golden arches question out of the way. Okay. We're flying down the road, twitching tongues God say, I know some of your answers. Okay.

Where you want to stop to eat. Yes. Your dream place to stop to eat. You're very difficult sometimes. I'm not, though. You are very difficult. I have this fucking thing about me where people say I'm picky. I'm not.

I don't think you're picky. I will find something to eat anywhere. I think you're particular in that where there. there was this fucking because we basically lived in Connecticut as a band for a while because we started every tour there. Yeah.

Because both Hayprey tour started in Connecticut. And there was a Chick-fil-A and a Moes next to each other. So every time he goes to Moes instead and just gets Koso. For weeks. Like you chips and Koso? No, I would get Koso, bring it to Chick-Phill.

Eat it with the grilled nuggets. And eat it with the grilled nuggets. No, my answer right now, is probably Arby's. Yeah. It's not because I love it so much, which I do. But it's a scarcity thing. They're gone and they're going fast.

There's not that many. And there's, I think, four in L.A. County. The sunset one is gone. What do you get? What's your... I mean, I just get a standard... Beef and chad? No, roast beef, just standard.

I usually... I'll get the middle one, the middle-sized roast beef. The other... one's too beefy. I could have sworn you were going to say it's sugar was your golden nurse. Oh, I mean, that was, that's the bit. Here's the thing. If we're going on the highway, a mall.

I want a mall because you can get anything you want and they probably have a sweet factory or it's sugar. And a panda. And a panda. But see, Arby's is the answer because there's just no fucking Arby's anymore. So when you see one, it's good. We got recita, Sepulveda. That's it. The one.

The one in Englewood. Yeah. That's it, man. That's it. Good answer, good answer. Good answer. No questions. Just tell him the LTD Eclipse

sold me years ago as the greatest guitar I've ever played. Pretty cool. Great starter guitar. Didn't know I did that. How is being a dad affected the way you see things including music, touring,

and life in general? What's a good question? There is a God's hate song called The Trinity of Hate. And it's about, I think... It's about Dante. It's about Dante, and it's about how Nate, Brody, is trying to not put all of the negative feelings he has in his life onto his kit. And I feel that way, where every, everything that kind of brought me to hardcore, those are the feelings that I don't want him to have.

So I It just makes me look at the world as I want it to be I want him to be Whoever he wants to be And like whatever he wants to like And I'm lucky that he likes some cool shit He does

He's a music On his own He's going to sound infuri That was his first live music he ever sees He and his dad jump off Like it's the coolest thing That's a core memory He's in half forever

For sure And that like I see photos of that. You can't even talk about it. I want to cry. So, you know. But for me, it's just like what has changed for me. It didn't change.

It's just I want him to go through life knowing that anything is possible. He can be anything he wants to be. And that I will be there to shepherd him through that or help him through that, you know. And musically, he just likes. dope shit. On accident. He loves term style. On accident.

I swear to God, I will never push anything on him. Stuff we just play. And then he'll like, what's that? Oh, wow. Kind of thing. And then you guys go to record stores

and he sees the album covers he recognizes. Then he'll be like, I want that one. You know, sublime. And he'll find it. Yeah. Or the Ghostbusters. Hell yeah.

Soundtrack on LP, yeah. Beautiful. But yeah. His hair routine. You do. You have nice hair. I'm probably going to cut out on Monday after the show. Stop.

Stop. Stop. I'm pretty tired of it. So, so good. You can't. I just don't wash it for like five days. Maybe once a week wash.

I use Blue Man hair oil. It's like the group? No, it's like a, Briar Street? It's a hair company. Yeah. What are the differences you notice on an aluminum necks in your base? They're fast.

Oh. It's funny because they don't, it doesn't seem like that would be fast. It seems like you would, you would get that, you know. No, they're fast.

They're like a little slimmer. Yeah. And I can play fast. There's cold or heat? It's like that. No. I mean, it's physically cold.

Yeah. But there's no, no, no, warbid or anything. No. There's no warping. There's no,

there's no trust rod. Because it's just set. Because it's just set. Interesting. It's awesome. Are you the my leg guy from SpongeBob? I don't know. I don't get that reference.

Oh. I also, I don't know shit about Sponge Rock. I guess. I guess I am. That would have heard. Good show. That there be me. Yeah.

He fucked up that leg on the other one. Thoughts on the new Crow movie. Oh, dude. It's an, I haven't seen it. We'll see it. Yeah, you will be there opening night. Abomination.

Yeah. It's disrespectful. It is. And I think if he wasn't Eric and Shelley. That's all they got to do is not make it. Because I think comic-wise, there's like four crows. Yeah.

Oh, really? They all have different names, though. Just give him a different name. Oh, he's got it. He's Eric Draven. Or make it truly an adaptation of the first crow, Eric Draven. Make him a rocker, not a fucking EDM guy. Like, that sucks.

That's so brutal. That's worst case scenario all around. It really is. I'm down for like, I hear the actions like John Wick style. No, it's not. Lana's thought. Not like that. She loves the worst movies ever made.

She said it's one of the worst movies ever made. All right. Well, dude, she saw it with unfinished effects. I'm breaking her NDA and ring out. She saw it with unfinished effects in one of those preview-free movies things and said they used the Batman score because the score wasn't finished. Oh, my God. So there was something in the way all over it.

Like, dun, yeah, in every fight. Can't wait to hate it. Crazy. Favorite hardcore record label? That's a great question. That is a good one. Probably, honestly, like, probably Bridgen-9. Yeah.

You know? That was, that's the honest answer. like so formative for me yeah that was our rich nine was the one you know like bridge nine from beginning to 2008 nine was like everything everything you know so how did you get the call to join switching tongues we kind of talked about

yeah just hanging out just hanging out literally just like we had him around so it was like we were just hanging out every day within like a month of him living here and then we were doing real deal for a couple months I think it was the summer. It was the summer after. You guys were recording Gaining Purpose. Yes.

So I was there. I did some gang vocals. Dude, you remember balls? The iPhone game? Yes. I still play. Oh, yeah.

Fuck you. I still had the same score on my work phone. Like a $10,000 or something. The game that I started while recording gaining purpose was still going. Going. So that was pretty cool. Yeah, balls. Great game.

Twitch and runs for a while. We were balls guys. It was crazy. Yeah. Ball blast is pretty good now. It's like an update. Oh shit. It's pretty good.

I'm going to hit balls. Yeah, I got to start a new balls game with a Z. So, yeah, while writing, gaining purpose. I heard all the early demos. I think the early demos are why you were like, all right, I'll join. Yeah, honestly, yeah. We were, I think the day, I worked on The Bachelor at the time. Yeah.

And then I got you a day play gig on The Bachelor, which half the day was us just driving around, listening to those demos. Our trip to Jimmy Johns. Yeah. Which was like four hours. Yeah. So that was cool. That day was months into real deal. And then Anthony was like,

can't do the tour. And it was immediately like, oh, well, I got the first time I heard it was at the McDonald's on sunset. Is there a McDonald's on sunset? It's the closest one to your Normandy apartment. 1717,

North Normandy. Look up where the domino's is. Anyway. Yeah. And then Gatte came immediately after. Yeah. Like right after. I think, yeah.

And we both play guitar. It was horrible. I played two shows on guitar. On guitar. And he guys played musical instruments. Observatory? Dude, the observatory one where you were doing the solos too. It's fucking insane.

Dude, I was straight up doing Leo's solos. Dude, the homie, the homie Jose from Sirius XM was there for that one. Like, that's the set he saw us play. I'm doing solos that Taylor has to like relearn every time. Leo is like a guitar god. And I'm just like whammy bar. He's like, wee-wee-wee-wee-w! Wee-heel!

I can only do the wang! That's all I got. And oh, there was a moment on, I think it was Faith Alone, where there's a solo in the song. Yeah. And you did a take. And Taylor was like, no, it wasn't good. Let's do it again. You were like, dude, that's all I know how to do.

I can't do anything other than that. I was like, all right, I guess that's the one. And that's the one on the demo. The one that Taylor said, nope, do it again. is on the demo. Yeah. Let's see. I would love to know the inspiration behind the artwork

and a little deep dive into contacting the artist. The artist is Mark Nava. Twitching Tones, Gaining Purpose. God say it's self-titled. My upper body. I've got one. I've got a tat. A tat on Alex's upper body.

He's a big, he is like... Mr. Misfits. Mr. Misfits. In the Misfits world, he's like known as a collector. A known guy. So it was the only natural. You do this too, the back? No, that was Martine.

That was Martin. The back is fucking awesome. Back is awesome. A photo by Julian Berman, our longtime friend. Yeah. Front is just... Explain the gimmick that you came up with. Because the, well, Holy Blade, the name that didn't mean the same thing to you.

I just don't care about video games that are so hard that they're not fun. No, it's not what that is. No, it's so hard that it's. So hard that it's so fun when you beat it. Taylor's agreeing with me that it's like it's so hard that it's no longer fun to play. No, you don't get it. It's my new favorite band name. The thing is that you beat, you finally beat the boss and it's the best feeling you ever feel.

Yeah, it only took eight months. None of them have ever taken eight months. Yeah, okay. This band took longer. It means nothing to me. So I like made it mean something to me in the sense that it's like God's got a sword or he's got an armory of weapons. An angel or whoever goes and steals it. it and tries to kill him with it.

And that's just, it's a sexy, it's sexy, you know? That's the devil. Mark forgot to put on the big old dick that I. Yeah, we were gonna, we were. Oh, really? Yeah. You wanted it to be just. I wanted it.

Shannon hates it. The dick? No, she hates that. Oh, that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I get it. It's, it's like, it's a little spinal tap.

Yeah, 100s. Put a black. Yeah. Isn't that what you would want the devil to look like? You would think if the devil was really out here, like, seducing motherfuckers to the dark side, this is the form that the devil will be taken. That's the form I would take.

Mary fuck kill Mike, Colin Mack. That's good. And I kill Mack. Of course. Sorry. You know him the least. You know, I've known. This is hard.

This is very interesting. I don't know if I can marry. You got to either fuck or Mary Colin or Mike. Spent so much time with both of them. I know. Mike could build. you stuff forever. Mike could build you stuff.

And cook real good. He's maybe more maternal. Yeah, I couldn't provide you much. Paternal than you. You got the body for a good time. I don't know if you're putting your body. Alex just eyed you so. I mean, you're out there for all to see.

Probably Colin, fuck. I'm going to marry Mike. No, I get it honestly. Mike screams matrimony. Mike's got the restaurant. Mike built my fucking entertainment center. It's gorgeous. Mike built.

The wood guys on his street. him over to look at it and just go like, Mike, this is unbelievable. Yeah. He built Elliot's bookshelf. That's a husband. You know, he's, yeah. It's true. Shut up, Mike.

Oh, wow. How much fibbing do we really get from the younger young? Are the brothers playing characters or is the van that chaotic? What? I don't understand. From me. I'm saying, how much do I lie on here? All the time.

And how real am I on the show versus me? I would say you're a little hyperbolic. But that's for a little? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's like a king of bits. The king of bits. A real bitch. But the van, the

Yeah, I don't know. The van is a lot of times where I hear calling me and like, we almost died. And I was like, no. What you mean? I don't know. Just like that's an example. Just like. No, we almost died.

I don't know when you're talking about, but we for sure did. But that's like. There was one time. I'm telling you, man, this deer I dodged one time. I don't know if I was there for that. You weren't. Leo saw it was in the front seat. I looked to me like this.

I will, the only time I remember, that was fucking crazy. I remember a snowstorm driving through. New Mexico. No, I think it was in Pennsylvania maybe, where Taylor was going down the side of a freeway, like an auxiliary thing. And we had to like turn around with the trailer because it like ended. And there was like a drop off into the, onto the freeway. And I remember he had to like in a snowstorm back it up straight. Oh, that was crazy.

Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? Dude, that was in, holy shit. Yeah. We had to back up on the freeway. Yeah. How far? I mean, I don't.

Oh, no. I know. Okay, no, that was crazy. That was like a, it was like a dirt. It was like a side road. Side path. Yeah. That you're not supposed to go to.

And it ended. The map took us on it. Yeah. Oh, okay. And he had to back it up with a trailer. We could have fallen off the side. Like several, like I think two miles probably. And you had to back up.

backwards. On to an exit ramp. Basically, yeah. Up a mountain. Taylor is shaking his head because he doesn't remember. It was, dude,

it was insane. Let's see. Alec, what's the most embarrassing story you know about? No, we don't even know. That's a great question.

Embarrassing? I don't think there's anything that he'd be embarrassed. I thought about shit in my band talking about. You've seen me leave my underwear. You're very forthright. I don't think there's anything

embarrassing. Embarrassing. I mean, you love the one picture of me laying down in the Star Wars. Yeah, but then you love the picture of me with the pizza in my mouth.

That's a great picture. Are these unflattering pictures? I have a third. I have a third. I have one that broke me. I have one. I love that. That one broke me.

This one? I'm holding a slice of watermelon. Oh my God. You're wearing like a Fred Perry at like a wedding or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So good.

Unbelievable picture. Here they are. Our boy. Best band name. Best band's name. named after, oh, their songs? What band has the best bands named after their songs? Like, gods hate, God's hate.

Twitch and tongues, switching tongues. Fitching tongues. Faith alone, faith, alone. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a real, bad religion. Pre-Collins obsession. We were like, the bad religion song?

I don't know. There's a lot that are cool that you forget our band names, or, you know, like, sound American-N-O-N-Session. nightmare. Yeah, right. You know? And the fact that that is a misfits. Probably the misfits.

You know, it is 100%. It's got to be. It's crazy. Yeah. Hate breed is also a crazy. That might be the best one because it's not the song. Not the song. Is it not?

It's hate breeders. No, I know, but it's named after. Yeah. I'm just saying it's just, it's a play on the song. Yeah. Can we expect a freedom reunion anytime soon? No. Unfortunately not.

No. Do you have any of your own kale stories that haven't been told? Not for public consumption. Yeah Just some good Some good ones But let's think for a second I had

You know what's one of my favorites What is I might have told this one before One of the last times We practiced in like 2017 For that tour And he showed up in a yellow shirt And yellow shorts

And his hair dye Or his orange hair dye Was kind of faded So it was yellow And there's a picture I think I have of the moment Alex goes

you look like a banana and in a split second Kale turns and goes fuck you I think I have a picture of the moment Oh God I mean there's so many of those

Oh yeah I mean there's so many of those But One of the first interactions I had with him It was on the tour It was because he was playing in Downpresser That's where I met him too

And we were just talking I think we were in Maybe Rich or something. I don't remember, but we were talking. And he was like, he was like, are you guys going to like make money off the store? And I was like, no, probably not. And he was like, so how do you like, do you live with your parents? I was like, no, I have a job.

And he's like, oh, you have a job? And I was, yeah, yeah, we all have jobs because like, you know. And he was like, oh. And it was like, dude, he processed that. Maybe I should get it. And then he got home and got a job at the flip-lop shop at the Sherman Oaks Mall one day a week. And then Marissa worked there too. And then Kale got fired but kept going back because Marissa still worked there.

And then his car got stolen from the mall. So awesome. Holy shit. Yeah. I actually met him before that, not that I'd think about it. But he was with Downpresser. Yeah. When they came to the skate shop.

Yeah. Oh, on the tour we did. No. Oh, with it. It might have been another tour with Harmsway. Did Harmsway do a Downpresser tour? With creatures. I think so.

Yeah, we didn't. Oh, yeah, you did. That was where the chair was. Yeah, yeah, long. He wasn't in Downpresser at that time. No, so then maybe we would take offense then. Downpresser, take offense. Because that was when, it was that because that's when I met Jose and he was with them.

And take events had, not that there was ever any beef with freedom to take offense, but there was the name thing. Where your demo was called United States. Yeah. And people on the internet made it seem like there was beef. there wasn't, but I remember that was the first time we'd talk to them about it. But that's when I met Kail. One of the most outgoing people. Oh, he's the most.

Next to Mike Cesario. Kail and Mike just truly identical. Yeah. In many ways. In many ways not. Yeah, one of the last questions here is, what's a band that influences you that people would be surprised by? Good question.

I don't know. I mean, lyrically, lots of stuff would probably surprise people. like indie rock stuff. Like what's the weirdest influence on this record that even I would be like, what the fuck is that? Nothing. But there's stuff on, there's stuff that you don't like.

Like the intro is the cursed intro. I don't hate curse. I just don't think they have many tracks. Yeah. But one of the tracks is the intro. Yours being Barry White for the God's hate intro was one. Yeah.

Is there any Barry White shit on that? There's no Barry White shit, unfortunately. I work on that. I will say the, the Holy Blade riff, like the main riff, was going to be like an oi song. It was an oi song. Really?

Yeah. That I wrote for faith alone. So that would be surprising. I would say an oi influence on this is pretty... Probably. We say oi-o-o-o-i in Bloodmarker. We do say it. So...

I thought that you guys would hate that. Got that going on. I did it. Hell no. Me and Mike were like, yes, dude, let's go. Now we say it with pride.

Yeah. Yeah. No, but I mean, lots of stuff. A lot of different shit. You know, the greatest? You live in ghosts? Yeah.

This is a big... Because you're scared of them. No. I... You're scared of them. I'm irrational. I'm too rational to believe in them, but I'm not so rational that I'm not scared of them. I feel the exact same way.

I'm the same exact way. He's really scared of them. He's downplaying how scared of them. Dark-sided stuff. I didn't see hereditary for five years. Same. No. 2019?

18? I saw it over COVID. I saw it three months ago. It was 2018. He really did. When it came back in April. He saw it while he finally came. We saw it in IMAX in the same theater.

It was an amazing movie that I still think about anytime I see anything remotely Catholic. Yeah. Yeah. It scares the fuck at me. It's very good. And that's like what the Holy Blade stuff is like. It's like that stuff scares me. I don't believe in it.

But it's creepy. gives me the hebe-jeebies. Yeah. Or the. So what if it, yeah, or the seabes? Like, what if it was real? What if it was real? In song form.

But see, like, going into a haunted house only scares me because I know there's a guy that's going to scare me. Of course. But I don't jump out. A jump-out scare in a movie is just startling. That's scary. Yeah. But, like, so we want, I want stayed at a hotel in San Diego.

And there's, like, there's lore about someone that committed to a death. It's Hotel Coronado. Oh, the hotel Del. Yes. Yes. Hotel Del. Very scary. I stayed there one time, too.

There's like a, a woman suicide that they say she walks around the hotel. I don't, it's not the ghost part. It's that am I staying in a room where someone committed suicide? Creeps me out. But would that bother you? If I could, if I could change, yeah, but I'm saying if I found out, if I could change rooms, I would. Really? Just because I just think it's, uh.

It's icky? It's icky. Yeah, but there's some kind of belief in there ingrained in you thinking that way. Yeah, it's like a Catholic imprinted thing that I can rationalize as being like, these are folk tales that scare me, just like a scary movie might scare me. Scary movie two? Scary movie three, hilarious. One of the best.

But like ghosts, no. I mean, I'm not walking around wondering if there's a ghost somewhere. That doesn't scare me. Never had an encounter of any kind. No. Any UFO shit? No. Yeah, well, do you believe in aliens?

Of course. There was a site. I believe in, I believe in the mathematical probability that they have to have existed. Where's Palmdale? Oh, it's like 40 minutes where there was, there was like eight minutes of people calling the police. Yeah, but you know what? There's a, there's a Navy base an hour away from there. There you go.

See? That's how mine. It's probably also a flight path. Yeah, but that many people call it. And also in the desert where there's no light pollution. you can see all kinds of aircraft probably that you wouldn't normally see in the city. Yeah, such as identified.

Maybe. I'm open to that possibility. Okay. But as far as like energy or spirits or astrology or any of that stuff. I know that when we did your letter mosh in the Brooklyn thing, you were confused about the rules, I think. Yes, you said, you told me EPs. No, I didn't.

You said E. You heard, you wanted to hear EPs because it's your performance. format. If I ask you now for hardcore records period of all time, would it change? Ignostic front victim and pain. Terror lowest of the low. Love it. Still the Rye Brigade 7-inch.

Ignorstaffir and cost for alarm. That's awesome. Probably. You hear that same one? It's good. And I'm not, you know me. I'm not a thrashman. Not a thrash guy.

I'm not a metal guy. I'm not a metal guy. And that's really just like the the crossoverness of cause for a lot of them is really just like enhanced hardcore. It is. And a thing that I talked about with somebody where they're saying like all these bands in the 80s suddenly became glam or metal. It's because there was no blueprint for LP2. Yeah. Oh, wow.

If you think about it, there was like, you're making some money. Hardcore is so new that there is no band that has done a second LP. So what do you do next? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's the best example of that. I don't know who did a better second record. Then Ignost-Rant.

And they were maybe the first band. Without changing, biohazard. Well, that's 90s. That's enhanced. But urban discipline is like, they took the formula and they were like, let's not really change it. Well, I'm saying, though, meat and potatoes hardcore, like what we think of is hardcore punk. Yeah. I feel like Cosford Arms the first consecutive LP that is.

that we think of as this is another hardcore record. What year was that? 86. 86. Because youth today, definitely. Yeah, for sure. They definitely did. But it is few and far between. Yeah, like. You're right. And it's, and like, at the time, I bet people were thinking metal, but like, whatever, you know. I mean, even the band.

Yeah. Even Sigma was disappointed. But by today's standards. Not at all, really. Well, this was a very fun, very long. Sorry. No, no, no, no. It was all good. I mean, there's so many, there's probably. With being, knowing each other so well, is there's so many avenues we could have taken. Of course.

That there's another six hours just waiting in the can, ready to go. Maybe for the Holy Blade EP 2 and 3 and 4. We'll do that again. Thank you so much for joining us today. We'll do some more movie stuff, some other time. Sure. That was fun. That was fun.

Thank you guys. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, Taylor, at the pit studio. He sat in that room. He sat in that room. He's got a shit so bad, so we're going to have to wrap it up. Thank you, Stephen, for a video man. He has to peepee.

The pit is open for biz, bands. So, you know, it's time. Let's get back in here. We got, we got some records coming out of here within the next year, for sure. Got another one coming out very soon. But until then, that's why we made this. Holy Blade, Holy Blade out now, close gasket. Thank you.

We're very proud of it. Can't wait to play. Bye. Bye. Bye.