HardLore - ...And we're back! Harms Way Euro Tour Recap + Q&A

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

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Subscribe to the all-new Hardlore Patreon now for early ad-free access to every episode and an exclusive episode every month. This was an interesting one that never happened before. We're playing Hamburg. The headliner, harms way. The opener? Harm's way. It's a one-band show. They couldn't find any locals.

Couldn't find any openers. We played every god-de-s song we knew. Played about an hour and a half. An hour and a half? It's nice to look out and be like, every person here. you're paid to see us play. Just us. Literally just us.

I mean, there's like, those are the realest motherfuck in the world. Welcome. It's Hardlore time. How are you, Bo? Dude, I feel great. We're back in the saddle. It's about damn time.

They, I mean, you've been seeing episodes week to week, the viewers and listeners, but we haven't done this in a month? I think. Maybe more. Maybe more.

Yeah, legitimately. Yeah. So, you know, we've seen each other. A lot. A lot. But this is like the historic epic catch-up that we've been waiting for. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And I've, you've got a lot to tell me. I really do. I have reports. Okay. I've gathered data. This is, you know, we've spent two years talking about the trials and tribulations of touring in Europe. Yes. As great as it can be.

You know, it is hard because it's different. And for the first time since the inception of Hardlore, half of the show has now extensively toured Europe. Yeah. So it was, I mean, a lot of stuff did not change. Okay. But some stuff did, truly. And I think the takeaway, every time we've gone to Europe has gotten better since the Twitching Tongues Harm's Way Tour. Excellent.

Like marginally sometimes, but better, an improvement at least. So yeah, we can We can get into that For context We did the Kubla Khan tour I was we were home I was home for about a week About 10 days

Had to move Into this new place And then get ready for Europe And then also Did tie down all in between that as well All in between that yes of course So it's just been like After this after we hit stop

and I say, all right, I'll send this over when you want to do ads at the end of this episode. I will be my first time to chill. You're chilling for the first time in two and a half hours. Yeah, basically. Congrats. You made it. Thank you so much. Because this is going to be fun. I mean, we're just going to.

But you know what, though? I have an issue. Hold on. I'm hot. Ah. Just a little warm. Now, here's the thing, Beau. The charade has to end.

it's got to end there's there's proof you're on television brother clean clear-faced looking handsome they took me in back they gave me some makeup it's easy i don't believe they can have me looking like that on national television okay well take that bandage off right now i'll sell you 40 bucks cash i can't i simply they even advise me the you know the medical team

who's they the medical team they're uh doc uh Brandon was great. Dr. Brandon. He was great and he advised me like really like you shouldn't have you shouldn't even be here. I can't believe you're walking. The strength, tumultuousness. It's, you know, so, you know, we're here. You know, we don't need to bring this up.

We don't have to rehash it. I just, I just want to say. I was just hot. To the viewers and the listeners. You have to be a fucking idiot to think that I kicked this man. The amount of proof I've provided that I did not kick him is so overwhelmingly substantial that you simply only a fool at this point could believe it

And only a fool could perpetuate it I mean that sounds like He just muted and he just kept his mic muted by accident No, no my fucking cat decided to scratch a box That sounds like something that a guilty person would say You're trying to clear your name. There's not a shred of guilt or remorse. I wish I'd done it.

I knew. I know there's no remorse. If I did it, it would have be, it would be worse. There would be no episode this week. So the first day of Europe was in Copenhagen. We did something that was nice where we kind of flew out early and had like a whole day. Ooh. Yeah.

And Copenhagen. In a beautiful city. It's fucking amazing. The people are incredible. they like a good coffee. James and I are always the like, let's go out. Chris usually too,

and Nick usually two. Casey's kind of a sleepy guy. And so we got, you know, rough flight. There was a layover somewhere, but like, you know, it's a long travel day. How many total days

were you traveling? For the actual. The tour itself. How long, including travel was the tour? Three weeks. How meant, so 21 days. Yeah.

How many cups of coal brood did you find in 21 days? So I've made a change. I've accepted that they're behind. Okay. I'm an iced Americano guy. European bow is iced Americano. They got that everywhere. It's such garbage, though.

I know. It's crazy how fucking bad it is almost every time. I know. And it's so easy to not be bad. It's really easy. So, but I will say, James and I, we did a like, all right, we got into a room at like 5 p.m. in Copenhagen time. God only knows what time we left. I don't remember.

And it was like, let's sleep for a let's nap, have a good hour. We'll go out and get some food. And then hopefully like around midnight, come back to bed and blah, blah, blah. Slept until 7 a.m. Yeah, of course. Just completely out. And I remember if we were in like a bunk bed kind of situation, hostile thing, turning over one point. And he and I kind of made eye contact.

It was like, no, man. But then, yeah, we'll have it said. Every time. Every time it's like, all right. It's four. If we catch a quick 15, yeah, yeah.

We could probably go to, we could hit a nice meal or something. And then it's, and that's Tuesday. And then your eyes open on Thursday. It's like, whoa. Yeah.

At 8 p.m. So it's all fucked up. So I got up early, like 7 a.m. showered. I decided to like go walk around COVID. Hagen, I had a little morning. It was great.

I did have a cold brew from somewhere. Excellent. But just had a little morning. Isn't that the best, a solo excursion in a beautiful European city? It's truly, that'll make you feel like this, maybe this is, maybe guitars are worth. Yeah. And again, with the context of how we've talked about Europe, having this be my, like, first day. there's this ambient artist I like named Tim Hacker

he's got like tons of music Tim Heidecker No Big fan Everything Everything sounds like a video game soundtrack In like the coolest way So I'm just walking around

Now I'm just thinking about how awesome And ambient Tim Heidecker Alpham would be And so I'm just walking around And we played Copenhall Oh Copen hell First day was big fest

First dude So that's kind of the worst case in there without a practice or without like a club show or something it's kind of worst case scenario we were actually scheduled to play you like it was like us Chelsea Wolf

and then whoever the headliner was I forget who had lined at that stage Jesus but because of travel shit we had to like switch which was kind of wild so we played it like a good time now all of our sets every festival set over there

45 minutes so you're also first set out of the gate is like Yeah, yeah, yeah, straight up. And I fell on stage. It was a dusty stage. Day one.

Day one, slipped. My feet went right out from under me. It landed on my butt. What was the last time you fell on stage? 2018. Probably. How good is that? How good your noise suppressor there for when you fall?

What do you mean? Gling, guitar watch. Good enough. I think, I don't know. if anybody knows, but whatever. You know, it was fun. If you did front of house at Coben Hell, and you've got that board mix,

please send it over. It was fun. There wasn't, we couldn't really stick around. A lot of these, these big fests are kind of disappointing in the fact that I didn't really get to chill and like see any bands I might want,

might have wanted to see. Any of them? I'll get there, but at most of them. We're loading out. We're literally getting in the band, getting ready to leave. Mad ball, baby.

On the stage. And they play, can't stop, won't stop, straight in to hold it down. Oh, that's block one? It was like two songs and then that. Okay, I mean, that's crazy.

So we're like in the van getting ready to leave and somebody's dawdling. And James and I were like, you want to watch the song? Went and ran, caught the two. And it was like, all right, can't stop, one stop finished. And we were like, all right, let's go. Do do do do do do do. And we were saying, I'm staying. That's beautiful.

So saw them, got met, met Freddie officially, I think, for the first time. Just said what's up. and we saw them a couple times also on the tour. But that was kind of like day one and then day two was like another. My note is Copen Hell, talk about Copenhagen Day, Mad Ball Rocks. The next one was Full Force, which is a big-ass German show. Is it not called With Full Force anymore? I think it might be with Full Force, but everyone calls it Full Force.

And I think even on the logo it's like with Full Force, you know. Okay. big outdoor German thing and like a crazy industrial excavator museum. That's the setting. So it looks pretty. So Furnace Fest vibes, kind of? Kind of, yeah. Honestly, it's pretty dope.

Cool. Good, good vibe. Who are the headliners on these? Let's see. Because it's kind of like the same three across the board. It's like machine head, pantera, amount of marth, you know? Like, I actually, I truly, it's so removed from what you're doing that it's like, it doesn't matter. It could have been Metallica and we couldn't stay.

Yeah, it's like, it often is. They're playing the next day. Yes. It's crazy that in Europe, Machine Head is like neck and neck with Pantera. I'll get there. But, yeah. Like, it's like an undeniable. You understand why Lars wanted to have them be the fourth in the big four.

Which is so fucking good. Which is such a crazy thing to say. When did they start? Awesome. I mean, it is awesome. It's great. Anthrax. You know, whatever.

When did they start? Machine hit. Yeah. As a band. Post-violence, right? So, or like 90, maybe, 91? I guess that. So it kind of adds up, but it's still kind of late for the thrash league.

So full force, on Friday was architects. Saturday was Dropkick Murphy's. Sunday was five-finger death punch. That's the headliners? Those are the headliners of the main stage. What was the first one? Architects? Architects who are...

Architects drop kick... Yeah. Goated. Yeah. Five-finger death punch. Yeah. Architects, by the way, and this is not...

I'm not saying anything negative or anything, but just like, holy shit, full semi-trucks full of production. Like, they have an entire setup. Yeah, I think I mean, they're running shit over there from what I've heard. Big time. Big time.

Saw them a couple times throughout the tour and it was like, oh, that's them. I don't know a single goddamn thing about that thing. Neither do I. Neither do I. Drive kick Murphy's. Banger after bangor after bangor after bangor for Ireland. Yeah, heard the song too as we were leaving. Again, how old was that?

Oh, I mean, you heard 30,000 people going shipping off to Boston. You know, it was awesome. They don't even know where Boston is, but the message is so clear. It's so beautiful. You want to know a little story about that, by the way? This is a beautiful. This is a beautiful Professor Bowman.

So like the song, Farewell and a dude, Spanish ladies, that like, What's His Face sings in jaws, right? Farewell and I do. But he changes it to, for we've received orders for to sail back to Boston. It's normally for to sail back to England

When the U.S. Navy started During the Revolutionary War, they fucking changed any lyrics that had to do with England to Boston. To Boston. That's the port baby. So drop-kick saying we're shipping off to Boston is like... We're coming back to America. It's a very like...

We know what we're singing about here. It's like a triple incredible meaning. It's unbelievable. And the fact that it's in the Departed twice is like, multiplies it. And it's the DVD menu. So you pop in the DVD, you get Dropkick. But there's like a wang gang gang.

It's so good. Both times it hits in the movie, my TV is so lucky it survives. I'll throw a chair straight through. That movie's fucking incredible. And that's not normally the kind of music that I really personally like, but I'm jazz. That comes on. I'm amped up. It's, it's not unlike Boston's impression that I get, you know? No, not at all. I know exactly what you mean. Like in the context of SCA,

there's nothing anywhere near that. It's as good as it gets. Of that whole record. So dropkick, shout out, dude. Drop kick, I mean, drop kick rocks. That any, I've seen them a couple times at fest like this and every time it's like, oh, they're fucking awesome. So undeniable, band in my opinion. They love Heyprey. So, let's go. Now. What more do you need to know?

The next night, somewhere in God knows where, Germany, played before a little band called Crowbar. Oh, wow. How was that? Fucking incredible, dude. Good gig? A decent gig. It was a weeknight in like B-Market Germany, you know.

Okay. Middle of the woods in a weird compound? Kind of, yeah, kind of woodsy. No, I will say we were sound checking. Kirk walks right up in front of me and it's just staring at my pedal board. Barricade. Watching us sound check. And it was a little like, I even said while I was line checking, I was like,

this is when I normally play one of your riffs, Kirk. Just play and just playing. So then you got a pivot to do, da, da, da, da, da, da. Yeah, I did play a haypreed riff. I played Proven. That's exactly right. But he was, I guess he has a quad cortex that was waiting for it at home. a lot of questions about it.

So we kind of, we talk gear a little bit. I feel like Kirk with the quad cortex is going to be powerful. Could be crazy, because he can summon any tone from any record. Well, and think about it,

he's using, like, famously Randals, right? Solid State Randals. Well, I use a solid state head. True. You can really, especially when it comes to that kind of tone, and you know a guy named Randall somewhere.

So yeah, you're the same guy. You're the same guy. It's crazy. So they rocked, the setless rocked, They were very cool, very friendly guys. Do they, so are they aware of the amount of championing we're doing for them on here? It never came up. So I don't believe so.

I did. I met Robin. An angel. The lady of Coral. Unbelievable. And like explained. I was like, oh, I don't know if you're, you know, I mentioned the show. And I think he probably gets a lot of offers for stuff like that.

So it's like, it's, you know, it was, oh yeah, well, we got to do that. So it's still, God willing. He's coming. He's coming, baby. Kurt's coming, y'all. But it was awesome. Dude, the fucking hand tattoos. Yeah, he's awesome.

The guy's a legend. There's just so good. I also, I don't know, there's so much about that band. I watched the whole set and I had like a little private showing, you know. Okay. Like a little, I had like a little spot on the stage behind. to curtain. I just watched. What is, what's he using pedal-wise that he won't have anymore?

No, I mean, a tuner. That's it. Nothing. Yeah, very minimal. Just straight into that Randall. They were using, um, maces, like for the rental, you know, for rental purposes. But yeah, just, I think, I think, uh, he said, he told me he has nine Randals. It's a guy. I got nine of them at home.

Too many Randals. Holy shit. Um, so yeah, that was fun. That was awesome. It took a good pick. Here it is. Just a pleasure. And the heaviest band of all time, certified.

I mean, it's federally certified by Hartthor. Inarguable. And I'm not trying to go day by day here, day by day here, but it's worth noting that the next night was Munich with a little band called Ignostic Front. Jesus Christ. So we got Madball. Also, Madball played full force, too.

So we got, and we, we should talk about this on the show. I told you privately, but you're going through a bad religion era. It's, I mean, it's, it's calling it an era is, is not enough. I'm, I can't sleep at night because I'm, I'm like, there's bad religion melodies I need to resolve in my head. Like, da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-k. It's like, well, I have to hear this one now. Oh yeah. I got to hear the second.

Oh, yeah. And it's complicated. But I, it's like a band I avoided my whole life. Yeah. Not understanding what they were, really. I thought it was all Los Angeles is burning, you know? Yes. Which, banger.

And now I've come to realize that like 13 out of 16 studio albums are masterpieces. It's crazy. It's so daunting. It's crazy. Well, I mean, it's, it, I, you would think that way. And then, well, you made me a playlist. Thank God there's 16th studio. I need more.

I can't get enough. Cannot get enough. So on, at full force, Madball was playing the main stage and we were watching. And Freddie said we have some, he said, we have hardcore royalty in the house. Give it up for bad religion. period. So now that's an interesting, there's a through line

through the rest of the tour with bad religion. So I just wanted to mention that. While every day Beau is there, I'm like, dude, you got to listen to this one. And I'm literally, I'm getting bad religion in both ends,

literally and figuratively. So I got Madball two days in a row, then Crowbar, and then AF, all in a row, days in a row. What more do you want? Saw Vinny had a little catch-up. He expressed.

to everyone who might be curious that the maid who came the next day found the CBGB's nail. The nail lives. It lives on, baby. I can only imagine her being like, what, I found this disgusting nail on the ground. I have tetanist now. It was, I think it was a two-band show. It was Harmsway and Ignostic Front. In Munich, right?

In Munich, yeah. We've played there at backstage. We played there together. It's a compound in Munich. There's like five different venues all in one huge thing. Oh, okay. And we played there together. We played in like this corner stage room, but this was a different room.

I remember the corner stage room. I think we slept there? Probably. Isn't that room? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So saw them. They, you want to talk about set list curation?

Open with the second you might be out. They hit you with fucking bam. That's what they opened with. Oh, my God. They rocked. They rocked. Vinnie at one point got in the pit with a huge Stein while people were circle pitting around him

and was just drinking while a song like it was incredible. You know that that Stein went straight home with him. Straight right on the wall. He checks the 1,006, 1007. It was great. They were great. Met all, like all of them said, hi, thank you. Had a good night.

Immediately he had to leave. because the following day we were flying early to Greece, to Athens Greece. Flying to Greece. Yeah, yeah. So we've never been there before. Very new experience.

Greece was, we were there for like 30 hours. So it's like this is... That's a place you want to spend a weekend. Oh, yeah. Me? Yeah. I'm dying, you know?

Because you just knows things about it that you want to witness, right? Tell me something about Greece. Historically, the Spartans, which are obviously famous for 300 and Thermopy and all this. Big fan. Sure. They were like seen as the ultimate, like, weirdos. Kind of like how the European and the world kind of like ROTC kids or?

Kind of things of like France. Of just like counter. Just no, well, we're not going to do that. Oh. Like the way France looks at everything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's the way people thought about like ancient Sparta. It was just like, yeah, they're kind of, but not.

But they are, but they're not really. Okay. Just like a fun, you think of Spartans as just like defenders of Greece. And they were just kind of like, Greece. We're into fucking Sparta, bro. I don't care about that. Okay. Interesting. So yeah, we flew in loaded.

We were playing. That show was with Bain. So think about every single day in a row. Have these crazy. This is just that fest season, his crazy crossover that you can't get any other other way. That never happens in America. This is also the beginning of like, oh yeah, here's Europe.

Here's like not sleeping and it begins, you know. Doors 11 p.m. Yeah, doors where I think were maybe nine. They were late at this one. So we're walking to get food after we sound checked. We turn a corner and there's the Acropolis. Like literally turn a corner and up on a hill Is one of the oldest standing structures

On Earth And hardcore is now there Yeah yeah Bain in Harms Way And a local band whose name I forget who were actually good If you're curious please look up the show And I'm sure you'll find who are

How many people are attending hardcore shows In Athens Greece? I would say there is between 80 and 100 people paid Right that adds up It was a week day But still dude Like 100 people in Greece? Yo, people knew our songs.

Why do you like Harkor in Greece? You've got other things to do. It's beautiful. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. People knew our songs in Greece, you know. That's crazy. It was awesome.

It was really, really cool. Imagine telling your high school guidance counselor that, you know? A hundred people know me in Greece, bitch. Booker. Fuck you. I don't even know you. I don't remember your name. I don't remember your name.

I don't. Greece remembers mine. Played the show. Bain rocked. They played tight as ever. Of course. It was cool to see them. It was cool.

Aaron said some really nice stuff about us on stage, which I don't want to embarrass him or anything, but he said some just really nice things about the band on stage about being true to ourselves. And it was just nice to hear. It was really cool. Love it. Load out. So after the show, there is a, like a band hotel that they had arranged for everyone,

kind of more downtown. And we get there and we're loading out. Downtown Athens. Downtown Athens, yeah, which is very urban, like inner city looking, you know. Now, there's electricity in Athens, correct? Of course, yes. Okay. There's big, like, buildings?

Large buildings. Like new buildings. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Not like stone obelisks with a pizza hut inside. No, I was, but yeah, people wear clothes, like regular. No togas are over.

There's Wi-Fi. Yeah, no togas. No. Shame. No ropes. And that kind of is a shame. It would have been cool. Dude, James should have played in a toad.

Not offensive at all. I'm sure they would have loved that. We're getting all of our shit into the hotel and I hear James talking to someone. I hear like a band hotel. I hear like, oh, someone's here. Harley Flanagan, just chilling in the lobby of the hotel. Harley and I don't, you know, Harley is playing the same venue as us the following night. night like the next night.

So yeah, you know, we did like a quick... You chatted with Harley? Chat a little bit, talked and just said like, oh yeah, yeah, the show was good. Saw your flyer. Was he aware that he had sent you to cease and desists? He was not. Okay. He was not familiar.

I don't believe he was familiar with our band or anything like that. So I don't believe he was familiar with that. You'd think of, you think with the second one, maybe he would have been like, oh, it's this guy. Well, I'm glad he didn't, to be honest. Yeah. And then we had, it was like 2 a.m. We had to leave for our flight at 6 a.m. And we were like, let's go see the Acropolis.

So we went out and got some food. At the witching hour, dude. At the witching hour, had hopped in a cab, had a, had a dude take us, two separate cars take us and just like really quickly kind of ran around the area and took pictures. And it was fucking sick. Yeah, it was a little banshee. I touched it. Okay. It's cool.

How do you feel? I mean, that could be what actually happened to your head and that's not related to me. Well, that doesn't make any sense because it was months before you brutally kicked me. It was like months before. A month. A month before. So. Did you eat any good like Greek food?

What's so far if you're at all the local places, what's the best meal? It was in Greece. It was, I believe, a Turkish take on a euro. but it had this tomato-based paparosh sauce on it dude all of us five out of five we are like this is some of the best food we've ever had in Europe okay and it was just like a stand it was fucking awesome Greece baby yeah funny enough it was I believe it was Turkish food in Greece okay but it Turkey baby dude it it was incredible wanted to go back kind of it was fantastic um went to bed woke up early as fuck and had to fly back kind of what direction west and then drive to Hellfest

which is one of the biggest fest we've ever played in the world for heavy music for sure so we like that was like a hell night where we like drove overnight just a brutal sprinter oh yeah

same one not the same one this one was a little better had individual seats and a TV and like no loft though. No loft? No loft. No loft.

The sound my throat just made at that information, unbelievable. I want to give a shout out to tour managing extraordinaire Nikki Kilroy. From the beautiful aisle of England. She'll hate that I said that. English tour manager? Yeah, she fucking rocked. She was figuring stuff out like, oh, you have three fest in a row so you won't need your backline. So let's drop it.

off because the city that we land in is also the city that the backline lives in, we'll be back through there in three days. Drop it off. You'll save 300 euros a day for three days. That's logistical insanity to even figure out. Dude, she's doing shit that was like saving us money and like not costing us any time. So it's like, oh, you're a genius. So shout out, Nikki.

This is where she was really like, really wrangling us and being like, all right, we're loading it at this time. Be ready. That's good. And it was like, we got there. We got to help us. Because Lord knows the drivers sometimes are like, I don't know what time you want to leave.

Yeah. Dude, this time it was this guy, Sam from Northern England to the point where it's almost. English driver? Yeah, almost Scottish. Okay.

And Sam Rock. But man, they're taking Hungarian jobs here. I don't know. I don't know. We get to Hellfest and load in. We see speed. Nice.

They're on the tail end of their fucking, like three months. Yeah. It was their last show. in Europe. Okay. Before the record release show that you guys played. So it was like, like really two ships.

Saw them, had a nice catch up. We're playing Hellfest. It feels great. Playing. I'm playing. Playing. Look to the right. Rob Flynn watching the entire fucking set.

Knowing parts. Arms cross. Knowing parts. Knowing parts. Headlining. Headlining. And you're playing at what? 3 p.m.?

4 p.m.? We had a pretty good slot. We played it like seven. Oh, that's great. Pretty good slot, yeah. But still, man, like, he don't need to be there. Dude, he did not need to be there. And especially, like, I know logistically from bus slash main stage to the war zone stage is like a several minute cart ride away.

Exactly correct. And let me tell you something about how badass. Now, this is a little insider baseball. This is a little, you know, when you headline a thing like that, you're not in the normal catering. You're not in the normal where the green rooms are. There was a machine head compound. There was machine head specific Wi-Fi. Wow.

That's what I'm fucking talking about. He gave to you? No, no, no, no. I would never. But he was at the stage. But I'm looking at Wi-Fi. The singer, the singer-gat-player guy who the whole band's set depends on. Just viving.

Watchin-Harm's way. That's right. On Zavuaz on stage? On Zavuze on stage? And we played a sepulahua. cover and he knew it. Come on. Of course he knew. Come on. Nice. So that jazz. He heard a couple of machine head riffs in there and was like, all right, this man's pretty good. So that jazz

jazz me up. I really, I appreciate the headliner. Yeah. Watching our set. What other guys doing that other than Hetfield Washington? Headfield. And Rob. Yeah. That's his fucking name. The homie priest. The homie priest. Halfred Halford

Rob Halfford Halford Helford Showed our ass there a little bit But yeah Fucking that was amazing That was one of those ones though

Where we had like a total of five hours You know Hellfest Some of the best catering Five hours to be there total Total including our set That's so crazy Because we just had to That's just how the routing is

So because we had to get to Jira on air The next day another big fest so. And like so many bands are doing that, are going fest to fest. Yeah. That you wonder how it's possible. How is merch being coordinated?

Buses. Two teams. Buses. Yeah. It's crazy, man. Yeah. So, but in catering, saw Ice T, saw Body Count. The Body Count guys were very cool.

Didn't meet Ice. But, you know, he's busy. He's got, he's got cases to solve. He's doing SVU. reshoots on Zoom. Yeah. He's got shit to do. In catering, see Billy Biohazard just walking through it.

Dude, I mean, it's like one of those things where you can kind of mark out and be like, oh, 100%. This is so cool. Like, well, I'm here. That's crazy. Eight food while Fear Factory played. Pretty interesting. On the main stage.

So like the, where the catering is like this huge balcony with a huge view of the entire field. So whoever's on the main stage, you can just like, one. watch. It's pretty nice. Food factory. The food. That's right. Damn. But yeah, then just had to get the hell out of there and again, get our asses to Giron Air, which is in Holland. Okay. Now, Holland is my favorite, the Netherlands are my favorite country in Europe. Oh, big fan. Netherlands, Belgium? Yeah. Yeah, that's my show. Top two. Fully agree. Fully agree. And kind of.

France for like recreational traveling, I would say. Sure. Because I've never just gone to Netherlands, Belgium. True. Maybe it sucks. Maybe it's only good for shows. I would like to. I would love to.

God, would I love to. We played, again, good stage, good time, played right after a band called Guilt Trip, who are English, I believe. They played Davidian. Like, everything was all full circle. Like, everything was just kind of like, oh, wow. They rocked. But then the big treat for me, our set went over well. I had a great time.

Big treat for me that day. Watching a little band called Biohazard. Okay. Beautiful. Good. Oh, like, OG lineup. Do OG lineup? They, you know, okay, Colin, you're going to get this because you've, you've toured and stuff.

You know when you see a band, like an older band in particular, who's been around for a minute and they just kind of like, they've got it all figured out. Okay. So if there's a problem, they have a solution. Here's a problem. Like that, you're going to have a lot of stage potatoes, right? At a big stage, a lot of friends. You know everybody wants to watch you. I saw Chino from Deftones, who was playing in crosses that day, go to watch Biohazard.

You know, like, everybody's going to watch Biohazard. They have scrimms and then, like, the guitar tech worlds and everything, structured in a way around the cabs so that you can't stage potato. Wow. You want to watch? Go fucking watch. Interesting. Very cool. It levels the playing field.

There is no who's who. But you look at those Dynamo videos and how many people are on stage and it's so awesome. Dude, that's like the best part. That's the coolest. It's the coolest thing. Billy doing like the Somersault.

So yeah, it's the coolest. Watch them. They killed it. They had a really crazy, kind of a pro band's worst nightmare where the sound to the PA cut out. They're all playing on in-ears. So they have no idea.

They have no idea. They're hearing their own monitors, they're rocking. And what do you even do about that? And it was during punishment. Oh. Yeah. It came back on probably 45 seconds later. 45?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It came back on during the like busts of my ass another day. That's 15 more seconds than it takes to get to Mars. That's a quick math, dude. My head's been really, really dizzy lately. Shut the fuck up, bitch. Some quick math since. So another through thread for you, though, is they played the fucking bad religion cover.

Which is an insane thing to play? All these New York bands put respect on bad religion. I mean, I know now I get it. You listen to Fuck Armageddon, this is hell. And it's like, oh, okay, this is, if you have an ounce of melody in your fast hardcore, you're doing this. And then when watched the Chisel, they played in like the punk on the punk stage, caught up with all those dudes. Chubby, the best.

He's the best. Greatest guy on earth. And then had to get the hell out of there because we were going to truly one of my favorite places. I love England. I love being in England. Big fan.

We were playing Manchester in London. I'm good, you know? Okay, yeah. So we flew early as fuck and we got to Outbreak Fest in Manchester. Really early saw Cedric and Bjorn from Risenfall and a couple other guys

who were in Oathbreaker and I think Blind to Faith other just Belgian dudes in a band called Wrong Man. Very cool kind of rocky with Bjorn still going off and like yeah, just really cool. Like I really dig it. Please check that out.

Saw a bunch of people, saw a lot of people from Outbreak last year. Got a haircut. Yeah, I know you can't tell because I'm all bandaged up But we Living your life is a lie It's crazy So how are you

How do you look in the mirror and like Accept? Well it's hard now because I'm disfigured But you know I'll perseverected I'll persevere By choice So How long were we in Manchester?

Colin A week Like eight days right? I think it was maybe maybe six Okay So a week Yeah We were bitching and moaning

every day about like there's no mall, there's no place to go. But also we we got to Manchester and we're like, oh, this is way better than London. Yeah, 100%. But you and I, we love to eat.

Oh yeah. We love to shop. Love to shop. The boys, we left the fest for a little while to go get some food. We found this fucking mall outside of the city that makes Mall of America

look like a joke. And I'm not kidding. It's fucking. huge. But like what's in there? Every brand name you could think of. There was a T.J.I. Fridays. There was, I mean, it's like a mall,

mall. Bo was Jingle all the way shot there? Tushay. I don't think so. This is my ball. Where's your Christmas spirit? Exactly. Yeah, tusha. But yeah, had great, ironically, had Greek food there. It was fucking fantastic.

Played the show. It was easily our best our biggest best show outside of America of all time. Of all time. Outbreak was unfucking real. And we played after incendiary, dude, the killers. Wow, that's scary. Right after.

It's very scary. You know, very scary. They're a band that people love to sing along to, and we're not really that band. Right. So it's a different, just a different dynamic. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just different. Holy shit.

They, everyone fucking brought it. it was incredible. The headliner of our day was American football. Well, I have heart played. I don't know who actually... I believe it had to be have heart. Yeah, they bet they may have played the other day. I truly, it's a blur, so apologies if I get the order wrong.

But those are the two headliners. American football headline, and they said something like, Who saw Harms Way earlier? I'm glad, you know, we don't have to fight those guys. just kidding, they're from Chicago shout out to them kind of a thing and we have a couple degrees of separation that's just good fun

that's nice that's nice A couple tracks James and I A couple tracks for sure dude I mean that record rocks James and I left The other guys wanted to hang out

and kind of watch more of the show James and I left got to our hotel buzzing from how good that set was You know I think you've probably been experiencing that Recently sound of fury we'll get there but like legitimately like giddy over how good this that was so that that was the that was my biggest

takeaway of the entire tour was outbreak fest okay wow we went to archie burger oh archie burger's goad is had a great meal go did had and james was like james we went to the same one too in the train station area yeah and james hit me where he was like thank god you know like thank god this exists actually pretty You actually? And it was. It was fucking awesome. Had a great night. Had to get to London the next day.

Got there bright and early. Went to the shops. Caught a dope Master of Puppets. 87 Master of Puppets European Tour shirt. Fitch you like a glove. Right off the wall. That's excellent. And that's only because the Slayer South of Heaven shirt was like another 100 pounds.

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I don't know how I really don't know. Underworld? Yeah. Headlined Underworld? Yeah. Show was banging? A show rocked. Rocked.

Incredible. Had it like so hot dripping from the ceiling shirt off kind of. Love it. Oh. Kind of vibe. Yeah. Nice. Good for you, man.

Thank you. Yeah. This was probably the first time where I played with my shirt. it off and I saw pictures and videos and I was like, I'll re-share that. I might repost this. I'm not there yet. Give me maybe 2029. I'll be there mentally.

But you're doing great. Thank you. Earned it. Had a great time. Had some great food at the shops. Had like a steak. Had like a French style steak over fries. It was like British French fusion with like a chimchim,

Chim Chiris. British steak fri. Yeah. Oh, Chimichery? Yeah, with Chimchirri on it. Love. I love it. It fucking bang, dude.

Had a cold brew. You want to know something, too? I asked for a cold brew and this guy, and they had cold brew and nitro, and he starts pouring me nitro. And I say, oh, ho, oh, excuse me. Can I have cold brew? And he said, you don't want nitro? And I was like, I prefer ice.

I would rather cold brew. It's crazy if they even have that option. I know. And he went, really? And I was like, yeah, yeah, please. And my friend will buy the nitro case he won a nitro. He said, all right, man, and gave me cold brew. And I had a great cold brew.

I like ice. I don't, I don't like nitro. I like that. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I like ice. I like a... Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

Also, Nitro is meant to be consumed black. Which I don't like. Which I, yeah, I like a little bit. A little bit. Yeah, something. Fully agree. You're a cream. You're a cream.

I'm a dash of cream in there. Yeah. You know me. I do. And so now a big event happens. We get back to the mainland. No, No ferry, by the way, this time.

This is all flights. We're flying. And where's the van? So when we were there, we had a different driver. Interesting. We said goodbye to the first Sam. We got another Sam. Only for those two shows.

He rocks. And then we fly back. We had to walk like miles through the Munich airport or Frankfurt Airport and get to the mini tour bus. It's a bus. It's bigger than a sprinter. It's got a lounge. It's got nine bunks.

Excellent. It's got air conditioning. I had one of those for one day one time. It broke down. We got a sprinter. The sprinter. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

How was that? That had to have been beautiful. So it was the missing piece. It was the, oh, this is how you do it. Okay. If you're doing night drives. But also that, the suspension is not retrofitted to have horizontal people in it. Well, this kind of was.

Huh. They're not bandwagons. They're not box trucks converted. Right. These were converted, but they were, they had suspension. Like, it was, it was bumpy. I'm not going to say it was like a smooth ride. Yeah, but it was, but like in a way where you could still.

Oh, I was out like a light. Wow. And so we had to drive caught a bit to get to. Hamburg, we're getting into Hamburg, we're at an intersection, Turkey wins whatever round of the Euro Cup they're in, which was going on at this time. The intersection swarms with people celebrating. The match happened hours away.

It wasn't in Hamburg. There's just turkey supporters in Hamburg. The intersection swarms, and we were at a standstill for an hour and a half. An hour and a half? We were driving all day, and we're five minutes from where we're sleeping. soccer fucking sucks dude I would agree if except Euro Cup a World Cup are pretty dope

That's kind of fun I've toured during it before as well And it's the kind of thing where it's like no I can't Yeah I would come to the show guys but the Euro Cup is on Yeah The Euro Cup is on yeah I did Stephen mute that bleep that dude

So that was that was pretty nuts But then we get to where we're staying Had a nice time So this was an interesting one We're playing Hamburg in a place called Monkeys. Monke. Who won?

Turkey? Turkey. Turkey won that round. It was just that round. Oh, okay. Just that round. I think... If it's like...

I think Spain won? That's cool. If it's a Spanish-speaking country winning, I'm all in, dude. I'm so happy for them. Yeah. Kick the European ass. If it's like Mexico smoking Germany in the World Cup...

Oh, sure. Yeah, dude. My shirt's off. I'm running through the streets. Mexico is my World Cup team. That's actually a good point that you bring that up. The Kings. The Kings, dude, Viva. Or like Guatemala or something.

That's my shit. I'm all in. Does Spain count? Even Brazil. Yeah, that's close. Brazil, if Brazil's doing well, I'm watching. This was an interesting one. It never happened before.

We're playing Hamburg. The headliner, harms way. The opener, Harms Way. it's a one of one it's a one band show they couldn't find any locals couldn't find any openers pray tell

we played every goddamn song we knew played about an hour and a half an hour and a half dude people paid money you know how many people were there 80 I think there was 80 paid

where is this Hamburg on like a Wednesday or something Thursday Thursday it's tough it's tough man it's tough so what was bizarre circumstance.

Yeah, it was pretty far out, but I will tell you this. It's nice to look out and be like, every person here paid to see us play. Just us. Literally just us. I mean, those are the realest motherfuckers in the world. So, you know, we had fun. It was like fun. It was just kind of like, this is so German.

It's insane, but it's fun. And they fed us and everything was great. So with the like iPad click things that you guys. do. Yeah. Was that a whole to do just to add more songs? So we have like a page with every song that we have clicked out and we literally just take them all, including a cover, you know, put them all on there.

But it was, it ended up being fun and it was like a non-issue. Now, for something like this tour where it's a lot of festivals, which are like historically not great merch-wise? Yeah. Other than maybe an outbreak fest. Yes. How are your tour numbers?

Just not, I don't need specific numbers, but versus prior tours. Versus the U.S. or Euro? Prior European tours. Way better. Foles. Honestly, in some places, ten times better. Hallelujah.

You know, so. Like I said, everything is, incrementally better. Everything's on an upward swing. So we're feeling good. It's just the driving and the work rate is rough. Through the roof. So case and point, after this Hamburg show,

get in the fucking van, which is, I'm sleeping, so I'm feeling all right. Different. And drive all night to the Czech Republic. Not to Prague. Somewhere near Austria, like in the, Czech Republic. Okay.

We played a fest. Fest. Yeah, a big fest out there. And I found out it's like an independent music fest, which is pretty dope. Like it's not like, it's like a guy who was like, I want to do a heavy fest out. That's cool. We're on the top of a ski hill. Like the green room is in a ski resort.

So to the right stage left, to the right of where the crowd is, is the hill. down to the bottom of the ski slope. Because you roll down. What's his name? Abath? A bot. Imagine a bot running to the stage from that motherfucker. Oh my God.

Is that... Here it is. Here it is. A bot running down, falling down a hill. Now I talked about falling in Copenhagen. That's... I got to take it to the next level, too. Yeah.

Gotta get you back to the... And this is like the bunny hill? Or it's just like the... No, this is black diamond, dude. This is... fucking gnarly. Actually, it's probably bunny hell so it wasn't that crazy.

But it was huge. You know, it was just like pretty wild to see. We did our set. I broke two strings. That's fucking crazy. In one set. And I restring the,

I broke one at a time. I restring the first one, tuned it up, play the song, and then in the next, maybe two songs later, broke another one. Did the same thing.

I changed strings in about 10 seconds. That's impressive. Had to. Lord knows would take me about 19. minutes. The backup guitar, something fucked up, or Nick had to use it because Nick's guitar something fucked up with the pot.

It was like, like, like noisy. So we had to use the backup. So I share a backup guitar. Yeah. So, because we have these, uh, Ankees that fit two at a time. So it's like main guitar, man guitar, backup bass. You might be time, might be time for backup bass. Backup bass.

Another back up guitar. Triple Anki. Yeah. Yeah. Which is definitely. reasonable and bans do it um but yeah so we we played that and uh dying wish played they were gracious enough to switch with us because we were playing later in the day would legitimately not have we would have a 90 like something like a two hour window to make it from our our schedule set time

and check to the french stage time if we didn't switch so they switched we got like another three hours or so. So we were able to to take more time to get back to France. Oh, we're just getting started. Hellday is starting, dude. I have a note in my phone one. How is that not considered

when booking the fucking tour for a band? I don't know. Anyway. I don't know. Jesus Christ. Oh, but you make it work, you know? I also misspoke.

After that Hamburg one of one show, we've actually played Berlin on the 4th of July with unearth. Berlin was great. Seeing those guys, we did warp tour and they were on our stage, so we kind of got friendly with them. Didn't Chris ride with him? Chris rode with unearth, yes.

Those are his boys. His boy, dude, dabbing them all up. Amazing. And it was fun. I, again, woke up really early in the morning. I just kind of walked around Berlin. I went to like the wall and saw some history shit and made my own way around.

It is a nice city. I rode a scooter everywhere. It was great. So it was just like home. Yeah. Just like home. Just like home. But then, so then we did the Czech Fest and then we had to drive overnight to get to this French

Fest. Played the French Fest. It was fucking awesome. It was called Rip Fest. I think it's R-I-I-P Fest. Oh, Reap. It's probably Reap. Like a Reaper.

Reap Fest. We played Reef Fest and it was fucking awesome. It had lines. It was fantastic. I had 30 minutes after our set ended to get into my Uber to begin my head. hell day because what happened is Bo double-booked himself. Bo did double-book himself.

It's not really Bo's fault. But it is. It is. And I'm going to accept the blame and everyone's been cool about it so I don't have to be defensive. It just is. Sure. That was a Saturday. Okay. Sunday Harm's Way was playing Epperfest

in Belgium. Monday was the family feud hard lore in-person extravaganza. Right. there was no way I could play Iperfest fly from Brussels to L.A. and make it in time with any, especially if there was any degree of error or delays or anything. So the band played Iper without me. They were very understanding. Thank you sincerely to them for being cool about that. How does that go? They just played as a four piece. I know, but how did it go? They said it was cool that the EPR was, EPR is like kind of the coolest one. And what sucks is it's a huge World War I.

city. That's like my shit. And so I was bummed to miss it. I was bummed not to play. What happened in Iper in World War I, Bo? Well, the third and fourth battle of Ypres is called Pashondale. Passiondale is one of the only places. One of the worst places I could imagine being men.

It flooded and rained so badly that men drowned in the mud. If you sank in mud past your thigh, they couldn't get you out because they couldn't get a tractor onto the field. Right. They couldn't get a horse onto the field. Nothing could get you out except for manpower, and you would just end up pulling other people in.

So there were guys in Sebastian Younger's journal, I suppose you would call it. He saw a guy when he was going out on a patrol who was up to his thighs, and he was just talking, trying to get help. When he came back, he was up to his chin. Men just drowned and sank in the mud and went insane. Just brutally painfully. Yeah, there's just bodies in this field still to this day.

That's where he befripped. rest is. Okay. Yes, sir. Pretty dark-sighted. There's a poem. I got to talk about the bull thrower thing. There's a poem that was like a British thing about Flanders fields.

Flanders and the Flemish are Belgian. It's like a whole thing, but the fields of Flanders is where these were the battles happening, including this one. They'll let Homer Simpson go there. There's a thing about returning to Flanders. And when Bullthrower played Eeper, they said finally we returned to Flanders. field straight into the fourth crusade. Come on, daddy. And there's like eight guys in there.

They were like, ah. Yeah, there's probably legitimately. I know what that's meant. Five of them were on stage, dude. But I know what it meant, and that was fucking sick. So I had to take an Uber to tours, France. Oh, no, I, yeah, I took an Uber to a hotel that was there. Stayed there for the night, organized all of my stuff.

had to take a train from there that went direct to Charles de Gaulle had to take a tram from there mind you, I'm with my Pelican and a giant fucking suitcase because I have to go straight to L.A., so I need to pack enough. So do you have your guitar too, or are they saying that? Oh, no, it's in the Yankee. Right, so Nick's got it. Thank God. Because if I had that, I couldn't do it.

I literally couldn't do it. No, you literally couldn't take three things. No. So I get to the airport. Now, Charles de Gaul is a very nice airport. Bo didn't book a very nice airline. So Bo is in a not very nice terminal. This terminal had a pret, prete amage, you know? Is it Le Spirit Airlines?

It's Nordic Airlines, which I actually looked up and people were like, if you're looking for like bang for your buck and also not dying, it's great airline. I'm looking for dying. So I fly, I take off. Now, my God, this fiasco, dude, when we left the States, my, my Pelican is about four. 45 pounds. My suitcase is about 40 pounds. Okay, 50 is the limit, right? Totally fine. Totally fine. When I'm weighing to come back, each bag is over by 10 pounds.

How can that be? Because Bo has a problem, and I can't stop getting shit. We went to Cortex in Berlin, in Berlin, Cortex in Berlin, and I got five shirts. I can't stop. I just keep accumulating. Do you have a backpack? So that's what I did is I had a kind of redistribute and I paid for one overweight bag, which was a hundred dollars. And, but whatever, I get on the flight. I watched four episodes of secession and a bunch of, uh, deadliest catch. Just to get in the American spirit. Yeah, I got a guy, I got to get back, you know.

Yeah. I stay up. I can't sleep on planes. It's fine. I had an exit row on an aisle. I'm sitting pretty. The best. I'm sitting pretty.

It was actually the bulkhead seat, but like more than an exit row where there's not a seat in front of you. It's like a wall. and so I take off Those are hit or miss Because you kind of can't If you can't reach your foot on something It's kind of shitty

But sometimes I'll just do a full on like Yeah Which is exactly On both things and like try to Yeah Zombie out So I Stayed up as I do

I take off at 4pm French time On Sunday I land in California At 7 p.m. California time on the same day. Kind of ideal. Kind of ideal.

So though earth is spinning as bows in the air. I land. Get a rental car. Get to the hotel that was right by LAX. Which getting from the terminal

to the rental car place with these bags. No good. No good. No good. They got to figure something else. That airport needs to be redone. Oh, they just did.

This is the redone version. It's horrible. It's bad. It's a nightmare. I had to go to the off-site rental car place. It's a shuttle to a shuttle. Well, that's... That's Bo's fault. That's Boat'

Perator error. Yeah, big time. But I get in, I sent you a video with me taking a bite of my in and out. I go straight to in and out, get into my room. I'm out like a light at 11 p.m. I wake up at 7 a.m. 8 a.m. Unheard of.

Unheard of. Yeah. And now, Colin, we can pick up. Where we're we in, we meet up again. I mean, we did, You saw a family. Hopefully you've all watched Family Feud at this point because it is like our... It's the opus of what the live experience is. 100%.

Like that could not have gone better. And all credit really needs to be given. It was your brainchild to do that. I didn't even know if the game itself was going to work until we started doing it. Like I did... I didn't because you, Colin and who helped you with the cards? Presley painted the... Presley and Lana painted the cards.

Unbelievable how well it worked. There was a lot of work. A lot of work. Could not have been better. Nope. So please God watch it. Please watch it. We'd love to do it again.

And hey, maybe we are. True. What else? You know, we did the Santa Fury recap so they don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we can kind of talk about, well, I mean, I went to Disney and I went to Universal. I had a true. I had a great week.

Let's talk about, we did talk about the pre-show on the recap, too. Yeah, we did it all. I think it's Q&A time. Okay. I got home. I had a few days, and then I went to the one. I mean, I've had another hell week after. I kept, keep thinking I'm done and there's another thing. Oh, yeah, that's right. I can't talk about it. You can't really talk about it. But it's music related.

It sure is. Everything changes for me pretty soon. I'll just say that. I went to the Rumble. How was that? Which was over the weekend. It was actually kind of awesome. Fuck, yeah. It was good. How was HopeCon?

HopeCon was, they did the thing where they, it's like, here's some newer stuff. Here's some, um, is it hang your cross? That's the name of that one release right from a few years ago. Did some of those songs. And then it was like, yeah. I'm sorry, death. Hang your cross is. Bang your on it.

Yeah. So they did that song, did Animal Farm. Did, you know. Nice. And then. and then it was like pit activated. Yeah, it was fucking crazy. That's awesome.

They were really good. Nachos was the first night. Also great. It was great to see them. Where was it? Was it parking lot of the cobra lounge? The parking lot of cobra lounge, which is kind of partnered. There's like partner, but it's like very pro, very low.

Very like real stage. Yeah, it looks awesome. It looks awesome. Taylor and Shane put a ton of work into it. It was great. It was easily the best year, for sure. Awesome. The nachos set had to have been insane.

It was really sick. And then they also did an after show the next night. But I, how did you feel after Sound of Fury physically? I think this is the only time I haven't even been a little bit sick. So I got a little bit sick. And I got an earache. I woke up with an earache on Saturday. And I really wasn't digging it.

So right after HopeConn, I just went straight home. I didn't go to the after shows. But overall, it was sick. And I don't know. I just think that trend is going to continue. I think as we've seen, as everything, every fest is doing better and better. Everything's on the up. Everything's on the up.

So it's really good. And then I went to Monday Night Raw last night, thanks to friend of the show. You're on TV? I was on TV. No, Ben. Sandage, completely fine. No, makeup. Yeah.

Kick free. Makeup. It wasn't makeup. It was a lot of makeup. There's no makeup. It's like a ton of makeup. You're making up a story right now. Pissing me off.

And again, like I said earlier, you'd have to be a moron to believe this man. I think it's, I think it's Q&A time. Yeah. Let's see that. That sounds great. This is the best. Here we go. First question, why did you kick bow?

I didn't kick bow. I was a, I was a, I was a, asserting comedic dominance over him by going like, imagine if I kicked you? Only a fucking psychopath would bandage his head for no reason just to make a silly point. Stephen. Roll the footage. No, I didn't kick him. I 100% didn't.

He didn't touch me. Nowhere near. Yeah. But it hurt. Oh, Stephen. You're rolling this. It hurt. Real bad.

Stephen, roll my footage. Thank you. Thank you. Next question. Why is Bo lying? Why are you lying? Having fun?

Yeah, it's hilarious. Guys, stop DMing me asking if he actually kicked me. I did kick him. Like, what do you do? Of course he didn't. No, we're not. People think we're actually fighting. He's lying now.

I'm trying to cover. We are fighting. It's difficult, guys. We both need this show, so we can't. That's right. That's true. Bo, what are your thoughts on Warhound from Chicago? Warhound definitely had a place in time.

I didn't know any of them personally, minus one. John? Yeah, definitely had a place in time. There was a point in time where, like, the beatdown scene was like this new branch in Chicago. There was like the punk hardcore, the hardcore, hardcore, us and like kind of nachos, but they kind of bled in the other. And then kind of the beat down scene. And it was just kind of its own thing that a lot of bands at that time,

kind of came from and it wasn't really on our radar so much to be fair to be honest so somebody asked later i sang on their LP because yeah uh rani who played guitar for them at the time was from california started soul search wrote the demo so i just knew him from that and then he was a big ruckus guy um and there's a ruckus song that i sang on that was like kind of the prelude to twitching tongues, and they wanted to do something like that. And that's why I'm on that.

Favorite movie of the year so far? You're going to have to take this. Let me think, but I don't even know if I've really seen anything new. For me, it's Mickey 17, which I think comes out next year. Oh, fancy. It's whatever.

I mean, previewfreefimovies.com, you can just sign up and... When you live here, you can see shit early. Yeah, true. Very true. Yeah. Did you see long legs?

It's paused on your Spotify right now. Oh, that's a good one. It's a great question. Wow. I might have to do Apple Music, but it's one of the same thing. Yeah, no, that's fine. Same thing.

Let's see. Let's see. Okay. This is pretty embarrassing. A little song called Generator by a band called Bad Relation. For me, come on, Apple Music.

Oh, it's not going to show. So I'll go to Spotify, and this is, Truly embarrassing. It's a song called Still DRE by Snoop Dog and Dr. Dre. It's not embarrassing at all. All-time banger. It is an all-time banger.

Thoughts on turmoil. The band? Yeah. Fantastic band. Metalcore Mount Rushmore, probably. Yeah, probably. Like easily? What the other?

It's like cave in turmoil. Best new hardcore band, 2024. That's the whole Mount Rushmore. Joke landed. Best new hardcore band in 2024. Um, new hardcore band. Jesus. Cosmic joke.

It's not right. Who started this year? That's what I'm trying to, I don't, I don't really know timelines all that well. Oh, lock slip. Lock slip for me. Absolutely insane. Sounds good. Kuma, new to me at Kuma 99.

Okay. But where are the standout sets you saw it, outbreak? Like I said, we didn't have that much time. Incendiary was, they had like a pile. Dude, the pylon thing, especially as we're seeing with Havheart though, it's scary. It is scary. Stages are not built to hold that much weight, period. I mean, you're talking tons of weight.

I mean, it's funny is on the back of the Sound Infuri stages, they say maximum persons like 20. Yeah. 20. There's hundreds of people. So it's like, I kind of, I'm, I don't know. I think it's fun. Knock on wood. It is fun and it looks incredible.

And the band, dude, the Havehart, was it a boss? Yeah, the Have Heart Boston footage where it's just Pat in the crowd because the drums can't even play. Crazy. It's awesome. It's what a moment. Yeah, that's amazing. And In San Diego. kind of had that, so that was a little scary.

Yeah. You know what's funny? Thursday played after us on that stage. And I'm a little ignorant. I don't really know. People don't care about it. I don't know anyone who would be like, oh, I'm going for Thursday. They're huge, yeah.

They started playing, and the whole room went fucking insane. Yeah, they're like all-time huge, timeless band for that genre. I had no idea. Yeah, utmost respect. for Threst Day. Favorite Santa Fury set. Twitching was truly awesome. I watched a lot this year.

Cosmic joke opening and having that reaction was fucking. I was fighting back tears the whole time. It was so cool. Who else rocked? I would say, world of pleasure. Scarab. Scarab. I did see Scarab.

That was good. Peeling flesh. Fucking kicked ass. That was sick. The torture set that we talked about was crazy. That was something to see. Yeah, those were big three. I had the most fun, besides Twitching,

I had the most fun during the Kuma 99 set. No joke. Like, I was just sitting there. That was fun. Love it. Harmer's white set was also just unbelievable. That was fun. Minus one, you know.

Incident. Do you all believe in aliens? Of course we do. I do believe in aliens. I don't necessarily... Do you believe the alien... Now, here's the more pertinent question. Do you believe the aliens have been here?

Same. It's tough. I do think there are certain spikes in technological advancement throughout history that, like... It's like, how do they do that? If one day it's revealed... Yeah, we use some alien tech and figure this out. Figured out the microwave.

it would be like, oh, okay, I get, I can see that. Uh-huh. And like the pyramids and shit, you know? Yeah. Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. Like that would take a lot of work now. So when I was talking about the necropolis, the Parthin, the, the Acropolis, sorry, in the Parthin.

Yeah. Necropolis, way scared. Didn't make it there. that you can see and go, that's man-made. Yeah. Obviously, it fell apart. Right. You know, it's like been rebuilt.

Pyraments are just there. You look at those and you go, I don't know how we'd figure that out now. They're just there. Now, it should be, I think a point needs to be made that saying aliens did these ancient things are like kind of dismissive of the achievements of earlier peoples. and slaves. And slaves. So I don't, obviously I'm not trying. But when we're talking about aliens,

examples like that do come to mind where it's like, hey man, I don't know. I love the theory that the pyramids and the sphinx are pre, a pre-civilization that got wiped out. And then people settled in Egypt and in Cairo and kind of went,

oh, look at those things. That's crazy. How do they do that? Yeah. That could be. We'll never know. You know that the fact. that it's like Cleopatra lived sooner to the moon landing than she did to the building of the pyramids stuff like that where you're like

What do you mean? It's fucked. Oh, dude. You want to know a movie I watched on the plane that was not the best movie in the year? Fucking Napoleon. Oh, his ass? Oh my God. I turned it off.

I turned it off. I never saw it, but I loved that the first line of the trailer is basically Napoleon saying, I'm built different. Yeah. And then another one is you think you're so great because you have boats. He yells that. A general would not say boats.

They're ships. Like there's little details that are like, that's not. It was so fucking bad. I couldn't believe it. You should have been there. I really don't like when period pieces and like Piki Blinders is kind of guilty of this. But use modernized language or what? Use modernized music in the trailer.

Oh, yeah. The new gladiator has like a hip hop song. on it. I don't like that. Yeah. You know? But he's trying, I mean, they're trying to get dumb young people to see these movies. I guess, but it's just like that, that's short-term booking. 100%. That's just not. It's not art.

And I also watched the last duel. That was the other movie I watched him. Bangor. Yeah, what did you think of it? Oh, I love the last duel. I didn't know how I felt. And then the last, like, the end happened. And you're like, and then you get to the last duel and you're like, this movie rips. It's awesome. It's incredible. Holy shit. Yeah. They like went there.

It's fucking awesome. Pretty sick. Yeah. Yeah. I loved it. And it's the same guy made both, you know? Is it really Scott? He did both?

Yeah. Wow. I didn't even realize that. See? I had a big Scott weekend. Yeah. It had real polar ends of his film. Yeah.

Did you really not knock on Beau's door? Was it actually a ghost? This is in reference to the Furnace Fest is haunted episode, one of our favorites of all time. I did not knock on. his door. I don't believe I knew his room number. I don't.

I don't believe you did. However, I think Sean maybe did. Sean knew your room number? Yeah. And Sean knew both our room numbers and could have done that to both of us. Okay. And it would be like him to be like, I don't know,

Pappy, you know, like, I could see him doing it. Yeah, but this, I feel like this was before he was comfortable with us. It's true. It was really early on. He was not, this is our first trip. Oh, wow. You know? Yeah, you're right.

First trip. Yeah. So, I don't know. That's an unexplained thing that really did happen. There's a real, like, potentially paranormal phenomenon that we experienced very early on into this show. Yeah. And it's not like us to hold on to bits and beat a dead horse or anything, you know? Not at all.

When's the next hauntler? Speaking of which. Oh. Oh, yeah. We were trying to do one while. We've got an idea for one that Notfest is actually helping us make happen that will be fucking legendary. I wonder if there's something we could do with the Christmas plans that we're making, the December stuff. That would be cool.

Something over there. There's got to be some haunted shit out there, but it's going to be so snowy. Oh, it's so cold. So cool. Good thing we got Arcteric's head to toe. If rap songs weren't disqualified for being inherently hard, what rap songs would have made it on to your hard songs by. soft bands there, list. A little song called Still DRE by Snoop Dog and Doctor.

Onyx, throw your guns. KRS1, health, wealth, self. DMX. Any DMX. DMX, DMX, Deskog. Bone thugs, what is it, down 71? Or down 73? Down 70-something, bone thugs.

We'll do the opposite of bone thugs. and represent Chicago crucial conflict, bone killer. Amen. Big beef. Are you guys breaking up because of the kick? If so, who gets custody of the show? Who do you think? I'm some hot little trophy wife.

He's the breadwinner. All right? He's the fucking breadwinner. I ain't going nowhere. When is the hardest band of all time episode? Well, that's, we got time. time now. What if it's next week? We can do next week.

I want to do a Patreon. We need to do a Patreon. We're doing three this month. Yeah, yeah. I want to do one for every tier as a as a thank you for sticking with us. We should, as an incentive for those of you who aren't signed up for the Patreon, we should talk about what one of the ideas is, the Professor Boe idea, I think is really fun. Yeah, Professor Boe, I'm just going to ask him stuff and he's going to

answer it for me. If I know it, we'll just talk about stuff. genius brilliant yeah we can do hardest band we got time and I got I already made the list so

we're good to go what lesser known bands influenced young brothers music we'll do bo's music too I heard the dying breed pawn of shame riff

and a ruckus on the other day and wonder what else I missed at the time dying breed was obviously a big one for us grimlock is like

was a band nobody cared about and that's like we're not making music without them. So that's a big answer. Only Living Witness, Sand Black Church, were top two for tongues other than typo. Deathside was big for us for disharmony. A lot of Japanese hardcore.

Lesser known bands. I'm just trying to think of like lesser-owned bands that in the beginning kind of built the foundation of it all. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Dying Breed was a great call because that's, There's no gods hate without dying breed. That's pretty much it. Those are the big answers. I'm trying.

So Harmesway's been a few different versions. And in the very beginning, it was all on the nose. A lot of infest crossed out, spaz, ASIC, like, all that stuff are probably as popular as they're ever going to be. You know what I mean? Like, it's like as known as they're going to be. So that's not really that surprising. You did today for sure.

Like every, all earlier Harmes way stuff had, you know, Tom, John, drum breakdowns because of youth crusade. Because all of us were into that. But later on, it was like, tryptocon, which I think is kind of lesser known. Lesser known than like Machine Head and Sepuletura, you know, godflesh for sure.

I think it's fairly obvious. I don't think there's a lot of unwell-known bands that we were taking influences from, the killer, you know. I mean, there's no Chicago without the killer, really. There's no modern Chicago hardcore without the killer. There's no heavy hardcore without the killer, for sure. So, much respect to the killer.

Would you rather be a chef on kitchen nightmares or a bartender on bar rescue? Bartender. This is an incredible question. Yeah. For me, bartender on bar rescue. Bartender, for sure, because I feel like John would be cool. I don't want to, I don't

ever want to feel the wrath of Gordon. No, no. But John is like, I think if he sees you're trying and you're like hustling, you're all right. Yeah. I agree. I did, you know what? I always wonder. I saw him saying a thing recently that it was like John for for Bar Rescue that what's his last name? Taff, Tack, Tackert, Taffert. Taffer. Something like that. Taffer. Taffer. I think it is Taffer. That the setup is like, yeah, we get there day of and I do my recon and then we're out of there within a week. But it's like, these people have to notice cameras. Like the workers have to notice cameras.

Those cameras are massive. That's new. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't, I really wonder about the how. The legitimacy. Yeah, how it really works. Kitchen nightmares, I can tell you is real because a lot of them close. That and Aladdin Jr. was on it before it was Aladdin Jr.

So the place, they did it and then it closed, still closed. and then became like the Southern California hardcore venue for a while. And I guess it is again now, which is cool. I would love to play there again. Worst ever stage injury, ingrown toenail. Oh, and you're getting stepped on. Oh, my God. Yeah, I've just like rolled an ankle or something.

You know, you know when you're walking on the field and there's like a gopher hole and you like do the stiff leg like kind of move? I did one of those once when I jumped off something. And that was like a life lesson of like, oh, we're not ever doing that again. I did that. I did something at my school where I had to like run away from the school. And jumping a fence and just falling straight down. That was my first time like falling straight on an ankle standing up. And I learned like, oh, you can't do the human body.

Can't do that. That's crazy. Yeah, you're not. Couldn't walk for like a week. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was awesome. When it comes to getting tattoos of your favorite band slash artists, how do you overcome the possibility that you may grow out of liking them?

Who gives a shit? Also, I know what I like at this point. Yeah, okay, we're in our 30s. The thing is, for me, I think tattoos become more interesting when you stop caring about stuff like that. It's a reminder of who you were. It's fun to see a piece of art and be like, I like that. Yeah.

You know, like who? My first tattoo was almost the fucking skull from Shattered Rome's broken ties spoken lies, you know? And I kind of wish I did it. Mine was a youth of today tattoo. Nice. Yeah. Do you ever get to check out local DIY shows? Of course.

Yeah. We, it's all we have. I think both you and I like actively, you know, try as often as we can. Like I, like, if it's something's at midnight hour, I try to. to go. This is, you know, this is like what we do. So we don't want to, we don't want to, like, not go and not be able to. No, then as soon as you're dusty, you're shot. Yeah. Fuck off, you know. Thoughts on Berserk, manga or anime. I haven't seen the anime, big fan. Obviously,

there's no, there's no FromSoft RPGs without Berserk. Oh, really? It's all, he's doing berserk and all of it. Interesting. It's awesome. Yeah. theoretically twitching tongues dead body god's hey all to play back to back how are you arranging the lineup to deliver your best i can't so tongues has to go first first yeah yeah has to yeah and dead body uses a different part of my voice that i can't do at the same time as tongues so i'll never be able to do those in the same day ever really never interesting it'll never happen Do you have people that were not disharmonie backers going back and giving it a re-listen with different opinions on the record? Yeah, I've seen a few.

It's almost 10 years now. Twitching Tongues is having a renaissance, in my opinion. Yeah. It's like unprecedented. Yeah. It means a lot to us. Good. So we know we've got some goodwill.

And, you know, like putting out a bad. like putting out a bad record would destroy all of that goodwill. So it's like we're not going to do a record until we know it's the best one. So when you hear that we're putting out a record, just know it's the best one. Can you get an episode where you guys finally go to Blimpie? I'd go to Blimpie. I'd go, go. They don't want us to go.

I don't want us to. And yeah. favorite blood-borne boss that isn't ludwig lady maria astral clock tower what's a must-do thing in philly for people traveling there for the first time for this is hardcore uh depends on time and if you have a car and blah blah blah king of prussia mall is fucking incredible king of prussia mall is incredible huge um santucci square pizza is my favorite local philly pizza place lorenzo's is also like a big tourist thing because the big fucker slice

that I ate five of one time. Five? Five and a half. So if you go to Lorenzo's, if you're in Philly for the Zastardco right now, if you're driving there right now, go to Lorenzo and Sun's Pizza and get five slices.

And if you can finish them, you're on my level. When was this? Was this like peak? Peak fat. 260. 260. Yeah, it might have been 262 after that meal, you know?

If you don't want me asking, when you got real thin, which is equally unhapped, we've covered this. Finest? Yeah, how much we're. 165, 100 pounds. Holy shit. You couldn't even see me walk around. Wow.

I was invisible. 260, yeah, 260 to 165. Is it Pat's King of Stakes that the one that they, the two steak plays out? Yeah, Pat's and Gino's are the, are like the, Two competitors. Joe's is my favorite. Joe's. What's the Prince of Steaks?

Steve's Prince of Steaks. Bangor. Bangor. Right by, right down the street from the venue that this car is at is Federal Donuts. Great donuts. Oh, Fed nuts, dude. Bangor. Great donuts.

If you find yourself in Fishtown, there's a coffee place called Coffee House 2, T-O-O, big fan. There are There's a great place called Sushi Royale They have an omicasse And just in a normal restaurant too But outstanding sushi Laser Wolf and Zahav are excellent

Middle Eastern food Beautiful Friendly hello Welcome from the downbeat discord Oh welcome Anything you and both have cooking up this year That you want to use for us? Yes

enough said next question is throttling someone like homer does debar an acceptable pit move that's hilarious that sounds awesome I think I'm gonna give it a shot

it's an acceptable pit move if you accept the consequences yeah because you might somebody might think you're choking someone and then you're a dead man dead yeah do you fuck with chapel run dude

if if pink pony club comes on that fucking melody the pre-cora specifically oh what have you done is in my head the rest of the day good luck babe bridge is like insane uh i think next record i'll be all in yeah i agree i like some of the tracks i agree i was like i thought it was kind of boring and then i put together that she's doing kate bush And then it, like, really clicked for me. Gotcha. Now, I'm in. I'm in. I'm in.

I think she's awesome. Uh, unbelievable singer and writer. And, like, the, like, digital footprint of her work ethic. And being so present on the internet is, is impressive. Like, she just made it happen. So I'm all in. I'm all in on this room. Yeah, I'm a fan for sure.

Touring Cities tier list. oh man that would be a blood back yeah but also I think we'd get in trouble for that but I'm down yeah you know what the thing is it's not even trouble I don't want someone to be like

oh I'm from this place we suck like oh what a bummer I don't want to that's just not what that means right it's just like well you're not San Antonio you're not you're not Southern California you know 100% yeah

youngest kid you've seen become a lifelong part of the scene probably like Freddy Madball maybe no Morgan Miller Morgan Miller was nine years old playing guitar for the sheds nine nine Morgan now plays in in Cosmic Joke yeah nine years old

when double cross put out our seven inch I was 15 pretty good so for a minute it was me and Chris we were the two young we were the babies But yeah, I don't, nine's going to take it for me. Nine's going to take it. That's crazy. It always does.

If you had to pick a band to have the next breakthrough. I mean, they said example now torture blowing up, but that's like nothing's coming close to that. Well, this year. I just, oh, yeah. If I had a pick, is it a pick a band who's going to or that I would like to? Yeah. Who's going to? Speed just put out a record, right?

Mm-hmm. And they already broke through. But you don't think there's another level to get to. Yeah, but I think hardcore wise, like they are, they're a festival headliner. Okay. Yeah, fair. Within a year. Ingrown.

Yeah, Ingrown. I would love that. Fire starter. I would love that. Yeah, that's my pick. Love it. Best European compliment you received on this tour? I got a lot of

You look skinny Which is like just a little like Thank you You know what I mean Let me tell you about your body Yeah you know Obviously it's a good thing But you know

I don't know whatever It is I think that's one thing that is not meant in malice Yes I agree I agree Because it could be the opposite And it would be the opposite And it would from them Yeah I didn't get any

Fat. Yeah, I didn't get any of the backhanded compliments. That's good. I don't think. Y'all fuck with Woods of Eeper at all. RIP to the homie from Woods of Eeper. I know he passed away. I liked a couple songs.

It was like typo worship. Mm-hmm. But like very much so in a way that was like, okay. Mm-hmm. I liked it. I didn't love it, but RIP to the homie. As an European, I have a question for all you American hardcore people. This is a good question.

For example, at Sound and Fury, why most people playing on stage aren't wearing shorts? Isn't it hot out there? Also seeing picks of you guys, you almost never wear shorts. Is there any particular cultural reason for this? Cheers from one of the Bulgarians. Okay. Oh, well, I'm not going to be mean to the Bulgarians. Dude.

But I will say that we. I just want to shout them out because they went to outbreak like they did last year when we met them. And then they specifically extended their trip to go to our London show. Unbelievable. Fucking kings, dude. All you, all you Bulgarian guys. Thank you. And gal, thank you so much.

Legends to the Bulgarians. Respect to the Bulgarians. We love you so much. But shorts are fucking stupid. Shorts are for children. Shorts are for on state. In general, love shorts. You know?

When I'm rocking around the house or I'm going to the gym, I'm a short man. Sure. That's different. That's fine. A beautiful pair of spin-kicking camo shorts? What's better than that? For me, nothing. On stage, as part of the presentation, if I'm seeing, if I'm not in twitching tongues and I'm seeing twitching tongues, you know?

And it's supposed to be this gothic, spooky, intense experience. If one of the guys is wearing khaki shorts, I don't believe them anymore. I don't want to see your legs up there I don't want I think pants are Pants are important to the to the presentation And there is an exception

Base players No see I was going to say Singers and singers Drummers can wear shorts for obvious Drummers are like mostly in short I wore shorts I wear shorts And singers If you're very fit

But you know what's funny James is very fit When James plays in shorts Often looks great When he plays in shorts often looks great When he plays in jeans looks better. It looks way better.

That's my opinion, you know? Yeah. And I just, I just think that's, I hate wearing shorts. I almost never wear shorts. Yeah, I agree. I feel insecure in them. Yeah. And ultimately it's that.

I guess we can, we can, on one hand, we can say we think they look silly because we ultimately think they look silly on us. Yeah. Yeah. It is hot, but you acclimate. Did you just sweat? You're going to sweat in shorts. What difference does it make?

Bo, if you had one shot. At Colin, what would be your method? A bullet from a gun. Okay. Love it. Opinions on jorts. Yeah, I wore them. Have I ever told my Six Flags story about my jorts?

You shoot yourself? No, I went on a water ride, and I didn't know what chafing was. Oh, you're like, this is your first, you chafed. Walked around all day. I have scars on my thighs from it. I was bleeding. I was bleeding down my legs. Did I ever tell you my khaki shorts story?

No. This one makes me sad, honestly. Okay. But it's all good now. We're good now. Before a big field trip, I think it was in fourth grade. My dad and I went to like Sears or something, you know? Get some shorts for the trip because it was very hot out.

Okay. So I got a beautiful pair of khaki shorts. I love them. Fit like a glove. Fourth grade me was like, I've never had anything that's nice in my life. Thank you, Dad. You're the best. I love you, Dad. Love you, Dad, so much.

Next morning, getting ready for school, shorts are on. Cereal. In a bowl. Hey, Arnold, on TV. Right? Yeah. And you know, Gerald, he's hilarious. He's so funny.

So he gets me. I'm eating a bite of something. I laugh, and I trust a fart that I never should have trusted. Hold to carpet. You just shamel on me, do I? Hold to carpet in less than a second. Liquid diarrhea. gallons.

And so I'm in panic mode now. I smell like shit, covered in shit. My carpet's covered in shit. Oh, no. I'm telling you, like you at fucking rip fest, I was ripping fest through the carpet. I changed the string. And I changed shorts, clean the poop, put them in the washer, started a load, and probably under 30 seconds. My dad comes down.

asks, why aren't you wearing new new shorts, buddy? And I'm not going to be like, well, dad, I just shit the floor. So I say, in the moment, I'm like, oh, I don't like them anymore. Oh, I got it. And like, I love my dad. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

He was high as fuck. He don't remember me saying that. I brought it up 20 years later. I was like, dad, I got to tell you about the shorts. I got to complain. Sorry. He was like, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. So he forgot, but I held on to it for damn near 20 years.

So khaki shorts, I don't trust. All shorts, don't trust. Because you might shit the floor. You think he'll get CM Punk on the show? Absolutely. He's technically on it last week. Opinion on Cassettes making a comeback. I am very pro-Kessette.

tape. I just think they're cool. I just think they're neat. I just like the I like I've explained this before. I like that like an LP is a square, a seven inches of square, a CD is a square. A cassette tape is a rectangle and you have to kind of, the layout has to be different. It's its own format. It's the own thing. And I like that. I totally fuck with them. Yeah. Yeah. That's another form of physical media. We're all, we're pro physical media on this on this show. We are on this program. God damn it. On this non-physical program. How do you all explain straight edge to people

outside of hardcore? I'll tell you. I'm better than you. I think the way to go about it is to just be nonchalant about it and just be like, oh, it's like a music thing. I've just been a part of for a long time. It's just a deeply ingrained cultural thing that means I'm better than you.

You know what's funny is that I just learned. And I'm, I can repeat this because it is public on fat, show. But I told you about this the other day. I guess Brian Baker, who plays in bad religion and played in minor threat and Dag Nasty, before doing a line of Coke every time, says, I invented trade age. I respect that. Which is funny because his name isn't Lyle or Ian. Like, it's like actually not true. Still funny. But still he was there. He was there. He was there. he was 20 what is it 20% of what invented it's right uh well they were a four piece originally

then he came along later so he's a liar what version not one truth slash puritan EP or satisfaction satisfaction yeah i think i like i like how like like that you can hear the feedback and not one truth on the on the on the EP version like you can hear that i mean i think that under the knife I was having this conversation with Anthony the other day, but like that's maybe the realest, purest, purest hardcore recording in history.

Wow. Under the knife. Yeah. It's, you, like, he's the fucking prince infest guy,

you know? Okay. And he's talking about this Connecticut hardcore band, like this, like it's, it's up there with fucking victim and pain. And I couldn't agree more. Wow.

But it's, it's, You can't like actual hardcore and not like under the knife to me. That's a fact. Fact. Just part of it. It's just the rawest, realest shit ever. Wow.

And then they became the Beatles. You know, it's amazing. Yeah. An ever-flowing stream. Unbelievable. Could we ever get a letter-moshed AEW edition? That's from Stephen. Stephen?

Yeah. Like Like from wrestlers Do anything you want Steven Yeah whatever you want Steven ultimately But most wrestlers

Don't know shit about music That is embarrassing That is true huh It's rare Brody King is like a diamond He's a diamond And it's because he didn't spend The first 30 years of his life

Only focusing on his physique Yeah He was beaten ass in the pit Which medieval weapon would you be Love this What a question Let's try to pick each other's first I know

Dude I know yours immediately What are you throwing knife No I'm just kidding I'm just kidding Um Yours is A Yours is

You're a paladin Yours is a shield and a sword You're a sword and board 100% I'm a big shield guy In every RPG I play I gotta have a shield I know it

Let me hold on Let me look at you for a minute Spin around for me, would you? Yeah, it's right there. Mace Not a flail. Not a flail. I don't think you have the coordination for a flail.

Like a hay breed mace? Just like stick with a ball and spikes? Spiked mace. I wouldn't say no. I would not say no. Flail? Too much, too much danger. Yeah, I would.

Too many wrists. I would hit my ankle or something. 100%. You know. So you would pick for your, yourself sword and board too? 100%. Sword and shield. I think

for myself, I would pick a two-sided axe. Dude, but there's so much room for error in the handle. You've got to be so precise with those shots. It's so scary, isn't it? And then you can't

really, that's two-handed weapon. But you know what the thing? That's true. Are you a two-handed weapon guy? I don't think so. But here's the problem with the mace. It's a blunt thing and like you know when you take a bat like a metal bat and you hit something you're

that's what's happening if you're hitting a shield. Yeah. And that would that But also you have potential to rip that shield straight off of them. That's true. That's true. And then and then you still got you could do you could double

dual hand a fucking dagger or something. But I don't two handed weapon I don't think is your bag. I don't think I'd be I'm not no I'm not big enough for that. I'm not strong enough for two handed weapon. in like Diablo the two-sided mace is a one-handed weapon so it just makes sense or two yeah you know what would be sick is like dual fucking skimitars you know oh quick hard twin blades badass do you ever do you ever do if you did like an RPG or

sky room or something did you ever do archery you ever do like the sneak archery is the secret like overpowered build it's the best dude it's awesome it's the best I don't have the aim for it personally, but God, do I wish. Same. What is your stance on the rapid growth of hardcore as it relates to increasing corporate involvement? They've been bleeding us dry for the whole time. So I say get it while we can because it's not going to last forever.

But it's also, it's, there's an ebb and flow to everything. Integrity played the first warp tour. everything goes up and down like just because it's happening now does not mean it's not happened before it is not forever it's all like this so take it

yeah take it and enjoy it use it yep put it back into into your scene into your band into things that are where you wouldn't be able to do it otherwise because we've been around through the doldrums yeah let me tell you they're fucking dark dude it's dark yeah it's it's a good thing

it's fine best compliment to receive as a guy in a band. It's this. Dude, good point. Good point. Holy shit. That's a really good point. 100%. Also, I like the

I like the past like, hey dude, good set, good tone. Like, skip that and hit me with, what are you using? What is that? That's a good one. Like, how did you sound that good? Yeah, what are you doing to do that? And then I love sharing. I love talking shop about that kind of thing.

For sure. I've been getting Why does your voice sound better? And I can't explain that one. Yes, you can. It's in ears. Well, but they're barely working half the time. I think it's just growing up.

I think there's that. But I also, I truly think in ears, even for the first song while it works, it's your, you're, like you're tuning. Sure. You're on.

You're getting in key. Yeah, I'll at least know that I'm in key. And that's good. Which means, I mean, I just, even earplugs help that. It's crazy.

Yeah. Would you rather chew a limit and foil for two minutes once a day for a decade or be forced to eat Subway for dinner every day for a year? No joke. I don't have any fillings, so I'll do the foil. I've never had a cavity. I don't have feelings either. Tin foil doesn't do anything to my mouth.

Yeah. Have you ever chewed like a gum wrapper or something? Like the classic? Or you remember the grill thing when you put the grill and? your teeth. Oh yeah, that's fun. That doesn't hurt your teeth. But chewing it might... It won't do anything if you don't have filling.

Two minutes once a day for a decade. It's a long time. Or 365 foot longs. Here's the thing. If the decade thing harms my teeth, then yeah, fine, I'll eat a subway. Is cookie dinner? You genius.

It's a good bastard. If cookie is dinner, subway. Subway. Yep. I got to try the foot long cookie, dude. I hear they never have them. I would know because I wouldn't bother. Must be good.

Yeah. Tushay. What's your favorite cookie from there? What's your go-to? The go-to cookie? From Subway? Oh, chocolate shit. Just plain.

Classic. Do you fuck with Crumble? Yeah, dude. Yes. It's so good. But it's such a bummer when you check the week and it's like, and it's not good. You just missed the fucking dope-a-shed-shed-ever. Yeah.

Dude, last week they had a fucking canolee one. I missed. Oh. It looks so good. I'm getting cruelly. A month ago, they had a Trace Lace's cake. A full cake. Oh, a cake?

I've had the cookie. Holy shit. My favorite, there's a creme brulee one that is just outstanding. Outstanding. But they, I mean, the chocolate chip there is like the perfect sweet, baked thing. My favorite is toll house. When sometimes in like a mall, there's a toll house, you know, store. Yeah.

Those are my, that's my perfect chocolate chip cookie. Dude, the fruit. Those in Toll House ice cream sandwiches are insane. As long as they're not icy, because Lord knows. Yeah, but I mean, I'm not, they ain't lasting long enough in my cruise to get ice. They're so good. My subway go-to is the double chocolate chip, the dark one. Ooh.

Not dark chocolate, but it's just like the chocolate cookie. Cookie. And the macadam-d, dude, honestly, they're all good. The macadamia one? The sugar cookie. The oatmeal raisin. It's banging. When Hardlore with Cosmic Joke.

That would be so fun. Oh, that'll be fun. We should do it at fucking Little Fish. Diaries of a merch guy. Would you rather have hot dog fingers or ball chin? Balchin. I can't play guitar with hot dog fingers. Yeah.

Can't do anything. Can't use a phone? You're fucked. If you could go back in time and see any set from any artist. Who would you watch? Great question. Okay.

Wow. So this is kind of a... Am I participating or do I want to watch kind of debacle? I'm participating. Because that's different than it's hardcore. You know? I don't care about a metal pit or something.

I want to be at a hardcore show. Mine would be some typo set at Lamar or the mid-2000s carnivore reunions where he sang the whole set. like typo. Dude. The fucking, I mean, the infamous, this is Bensonhurst, Brooklyn,

you got a right to hate who you want. Yeah. So sick. So there's a random, the little nuance thing that I add to Preacher Man in the bridge is from the song Carnivore. Yep.

But it's from a weird, random reunion version of it that I had is a lot. I'm a meat eater. I like to meet you. I know I reach a. Yeah. where you just added typo melody to Carnivore.

That's my favorite thing. That's awesome. Dude, honestly, probably like the, you know, you today at the anthrax. Like sometimes,

some like actual legit. Where it's just they're playing every song you like. Every song you like and it's just awesome. Or like negative night, biohazard typo. Like something like that would be sick. Yeah. What are you laughing at it?

Somebody said, you can only pick two. and it's nine options. Can communicate with oysters, free gravel for life. Can teleport up to seven inches away. Grow a second nose. Can control any toaster with your mind.

Look 10 hours younger. Can instantly see inside any empty container. Speak the extinct language, Kittan, can run as fast as Albert Einstein. I would see inside the empty container. Because that's a way you don't have to open something. That's true. You just can communicate with oysters.

Dude, also, imagine you set up on the street and you do one of the ball games, but you're not hiding the ball. You just know which one is empty. There's something there. There's an angle there. Or as the player. As the player, you would. I'm rich. There you go.

I'm taking you for all your money. That's good. Does a container, dude, would a container include like a slot machine in some way? You know what I mean? Like there's, I mean, yeah, there's a there's something. It's a loaded category. If you had to build a fast food restaurant with a menu made of other fast food items from other restaurants, what's the perfect menu? Maine, Bev's sides.

Coca-Cola beverages. Yeah, Coca-Cola beverages. Who's got your favorite? Wingstops sides, cheesecake factory desserts, in-and-out menu. Holy shit. Annihylated me. Yeah, dude. That was, oh, oh.

Wait, what was the desserts absolutely, what was the sides? Wing stuff side. So the fries, just the fries. I mean, they got corn. They got all kinds of crazy shit. Oh, I unlocked. My first meal back was Dave's Hot Chicken. I ordered some.

I unlocked something. And it's the slider sandwich with pickles and a slice of cheese. Oh. And a little dippy. Dude. It's just never. You're never going to taste it the way it's meant to be tasted. What, with the sauce?

The slaw and the sauce. Oh, yeah, the slaw. It's just not for me. It is absolutely fucking goat. It's a goaded meal. Dave's hot. It's up there with Wingstop, dude. I don't think it's as important, you know, is Wingstop.

Wingstop is King, but man. I would go to Wingstop over like local wing places, but here I'm going to Howlin Rays over Dave's, no problem. Halerese is fucking insane. I want it so bad. What band is long overdue a reunion? Dude, they've all done them. Yeah, I don't know.

They've all done them. Title fight? I guess that's it. Yeah, that's the last one. Colin has talked about Hayprey and Bose talked about punk and Metallica, but do you both remember the exact song that made you want to start playing your respective instruments? Grimlock, Mountain of Power, the China Break. that hearing the china

was like I gotta know what that is I want to hit that thing so the first day on the kit I was just hitting the china and trying to like add kick and snare but it was mostly just China yeah Taylor didn't know I was playing he wasn't home he was pissed I beat the fuck out of his 10 inch Wuhan you know destroyed that thing but it was that

it would be power cords and it was you know I want to be cool and be like yeah it was for whom the bell tolls but it was probably probably inter sand man that's probably the first notable

jing jin jin jing jin jing jin how do that because like let zeppelin doesn't really do that like communication breakdown has palm muting in it but it's so lightly overdriven that you don't really you know of course And when

Interstamian came out I was four when it came out But when it's really like in my mind I'm like eight, nine And I got my first guitar when I was 10 And so it's the first thing you're like Oh, I have to learn this one I gotta learn how to do that

And then I learned I remember a friend came up to me In school who knew I played guitar And he did too And he was like hey Do you know power chords And I said Yeah I know a couple

Because I didn't I was just lying I didn't know what a power cord was I thought there were A million different ones I didn't know that it was one thing that you could just play. And once I figured that out and then figured what Paul muting was, it was like, oh, well,

I'm God. I'm the best guitar player ever. Yeah, that's fair. Being food people and also straight edge, how do you feel about food made with alcohol? Don't give a shit. Don't give a shit. It's out of there. I don't give a single fuck.

Science. We're men of science. We know that it's not part of the meal anymore. But even if it isn't, do you know how much bananas foster you'd have to eat to get fucked up? or something. You know what I mean? It's just like,

sure. What's the function of what you're doing? You're eating a dessert that has a flavor in it. Teramisu. Grow up. Go the fuck up. Bo, why do you feel like a lot of hardcore bands from Chicago don't really seem to get bigger? I think there is, it's a multifaceted thing.

I think coastally, there's more colleges, there's more youth, there's more tours coming through because of that. and you're just propagating an agriculture of bands. Chicago is a place that is kind of in the middle. It's hard to get to. You know, it's not like easy for a band from L.A. But it's a certified A market and something I've noticed, this is just me, it's kind of a recent thing that Chicago is really fucking with Chicago bands.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. 100%. And it starts with, it's, starts with you all. No, no, no. It starts with young people. Absolutely. That's what I mean, the greater you all.

Yes. So the young people in this city are starting to do more bands after they've been influenced by X, Y, and Z, all good. That's what you need. And that's what you need 100%. But there's a thing, something that I don't know if people realize is like, L.A. was always good. And every time we've ever played L.A., it's always been good.

New York was a place that was more similar to Chicago where there's over. oversaturation. There's a lot of shit going on all the time. Chicago is very much like that. Also, L.A., for some reason, loves out-of-town bands. It's easier to get over as an out-of-town band than it is to be a local band. It's the same here. Or at least it was. I think it probably still is. But, you know, Chicago's got Lollapalooza and Riot Fest and has had those things for a long time. So, yeah, it's an A market, but not necessarily for... And also, Chicago hardcore bands aren't on those. Yeah, exactly.

Who is your persona-5 royal confidant based on their personal growth as a character? Makoto, easy. Are you guys aware of the Virginia Tech football team creator-director, uses exclusively hardcore as background music for his post? Yeah, my wife knows him for some reason. we follow each other, he seems cool. How does having three guitars live work for God's sake? It just does, brother.

You just do it. There's like the two things that get harmonized. It's awesome. Yeah, you're right. Has there been? Every time that, like, comes in, and everybody starts playing it, it hits so fucking hard. I love that part. That's the dumbest riff on the record.

No, it's not. Let me explain. I'm very proud of it Because of how stupid it is Okay If you look at how it's played It's Okay

That's the whole thing For people who don't know Like guitar or anything like that That what he just did is like having The lock Like your passcode on your phone Being like all in one row Yeah

It's one tiny little box Where everything happens to take place Yeah Yeah And but you're doing just enough different Yeah Where that it doesn't sound exactly the same whole time. So that one, I was like kind of devastated to hide that in the bridge of a song because I wanted to build a verse around it.

But it needed something there. And it was like, all right, I might as well make this a cool moment out of this riff that I really like. I think it worked. That happens to be the dumbest riff on the record. Has there ever been a dark moment in your life when you considered stopping, attending, or playing shows? Disharmony. Damn. Period.

Um, I can say after the second day of the rumble and I was like, okay, I'm done with music for a while. I am music. I am live music the fuck out. But that's not like dark. That's not like a, that's just your fatigue and I'll be back. I'll be back at one in a week. You'll be back in a week. Yeah.

But no, not really for me. Attending? Never. Playing. Disharmon. Wow. Which are your three, four bands is closest to releasing new music? because I don't want to dismiss

Eyes of the Lord is done Eyes of the Lord is mega done That's one that you can We had a last show That's over Um There's two of them Where new music is coming very soon

One of them you don't know about And same here Really Yeah you know about it Do I? Yeah Your brother Oh

Oh That one I thought you meant some Yeah No Yeah that's good shit can you please detail

your original Muppet movie poster collection which one is your most cherished Yeah that's pretty cool Dude I just saw it the other day It's pretty fucking sick I'm not cool I have five out of six Of the original French posters

For the first Muppet movie There's one I'm missing And it's maybe the coolest one honestly It's animal as jaws And Miss Piggy's swimming On the thought. Now, are these original as in printed at the time, or are they reprints? Yeah, no, these are from 1980 printed by some French company.

These are French one sheets that were like hung in movie theaters and then put in a drawer. Gotcha. The Cowboy Kermit one is probably my favorite. That's the coolest. That's the funniest one. It's like you look at that and you're immediately chuckling. And 006 and a half is very good too. but I need the animal one.

Did you see Long Legs? Thoughts? You saw it last night? No. I liked it. You did like it. It seems kind of polarite. Like, I'm seeing it both. It is, but at the end of the day, supernatural crime thriller, probably the coolest combination of things possible.

Okay. Yeah. So take that as you will. I loved it. Were you skisking? scared? No. Great.

Never. It's not a scary movie? No. There's maybe one scare in the whole thing. And I wasn't scared by it. Isn't it from a, that was cool? A scary movie? It's a thriller.

Okay. Cool. It's a crime. It's a supernatural crime thriller. Sick. Hardcore fan, hard lore fans of Clutch, a couple tracks. Uh, no. How about no?

How do you all have four XL shirts and merch for big dudes? I noticed that God's say it will sometimes have four XL shirts. You know how much those fucking cost to print, man? It's expensive. Like you guys would have to be willing to pay that extra. Yes. It's another $5 per blank to do 4X. Well, and that's also a thing like, you know, a screen on a size small shirt

looks crazy. The same size screen on a 3x looks crazy. And that on a 4X looks It's like you gotta do another screen at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Which is just not financially sustainable. But we try to do it online as often as we can Because it's like, why not have that option there?

Yeah. But at shows, I got one, I'm going to sell one. Right. Yeah, that's the other thing. 3X, I'm selling two. Yeah. So it's ultimately it's it is what sells. Yeah. Merry fuck kill.

Koso, Pico, guac. I'll kill Koso. Mary Pico. I'm fucking that guac up. Kill Pico. Fuck Koso. Mary Gwok. This man's fucked up.

I'm gonna get your mind straight, dude. With the recent introduction of the ear mic, who would be your top five most influential ear mic? Ear mic. The headset? Brittany, Phil. Phil Collins, Britney Spears. Michael Jackson.

Colin Young. How is your restaurant exploring going? Any standouts so far? Yeah, what did I just try that I loved? We had Salty Girl. It was very good. That was very good. I fucking love Salty Girl. Taylor and I had a real nice meal. Oysters, tinned fish. The lobster roll was fucking crazy.

Oh, it's insane. It was crazy. It's a legit. like perfect entre. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And what's funny is like, she didn't finish all of her,

so I was like, oh, I'll eat the rest. Yeah. And you take like one more bite and you're like, I think I'm done. Didn't need that.

Didn't need that. It's so rich. I wish you got the steak tarts hard. It's so good. Me too. Me too. Next time. Yep.

A place called Meals by Gannett in Little Ethiopia. It's an Ethiopian restaurant where a woman named Gannett makes every single meal. And dude, it's fucked. It's so good.

What is Ethiopian? European food. I'm unfamiliar. It's like a big kind of soft, I don't know how to describe it. Soft pita-esque thing. Okay. Where you rip it and then grab. Oh, yeah, sure, sure. Stuff from the middle. It's so good.

I just, I recently tried, I think it's Nigerian food as well, which is like foo-foo, which is like a smashed yam thing, that you also pull that and then you pull up the like goat, lamb, goat, like, what is it called? A goosey?

A goosey? Is that what that, there's that like that one TikTok where they like turn it upside out and it's like a series, they're like eating it as quick as possible. I don't know if it's so good. I wonder if that's the same thing. I don't know.

Yeah, both are fucking banging. I love lamb. Lamb is so. Oh, lamb is incredible. So expensive. Master Killer of Coffee slash Energy Drink. It's the pineapple lime tonic from Highlight Coffee in Glendale in Pasadena, California.

I just had a lime tonic. espresso tonic from likewise in Milwaukee. That was fucking banging. Fantastic. Who knew? Love it. God, do I love it.

What about energy drinks? What do you go to when you want a sugar-free red bowl or white monster? I'll go sugar-free red bowl or herbamate if they got it. See, I'm not a big. Love it. I'm not a big yearbman. Love it. They're not carbonated, right?

The skinny cans are, the bigger ones are not. Oh, I got to try a carbonated one. Yeah, yeah. They're good. They're called like sparkling grubah, but they look the same, just skinny can. I'm interested. For both of you, what songs from your earlier albums from respective bands would you add back to the set list or revisit on a future LP slash EP? We're adding some no-God stuff coming up.

You are. It was awesome. Yeah. So I think that is kind of my de facto answer. Admission of guilt, God's hate. And I would like to re-record distance clause. I think. Interesting.

I could see that. Do the, like I changed the second chorus in a way that I would like to record. Mm-hmm. You know? Preferred build in Souls games. Spell Sword. Bitch. Favorite place to play or visit in the South.

Lipan, Texas, baby. Dude. Play. I love Texas. Yeah. I fucking love Texas. San Antonio. San Antonio, Dallas.

Austin. was really good on that Kuulacont tour. Oh yeah. Our first like real good. Yeah, that was really good. I enjoy it down there.

Update on dead body, travel gaze split. That motherfucker is done. Will we see Hardlore branching to other game shows at live events? Yeah. I think we got to get some more family feuds done

before we can do that. Yeah, yeah. But like, me is Alec Trebek. Come out. Yeah. RIP, but go. Yeah.

Hard lore stories on tour when? That's the dream. Oh yeah, that's, that's, hey, send the offers. Straight up. You fuck with Al's beef in Chicago? Yeah, Al's is the OG. I respect it. They still have the counter where you, you stand over it and lean so you don't get mess on your shoes and stuff.

Like, it's the OG, and I respect it. I just happen to prefer Portillo's. God, I need a beef, big beef, so fucking bad. I'm ordering the Portillo's lose pizza. Dude. Fuck yeah. This is a great question. Lay it on me.

A deli approaches you guys and says they want to introduce Colin and both signature sandwiches. I love it. What fix-ins are you guys cooking up? Let's go, dude. You know what's fun about this is we'll have different answers. Just because our food preferences are so different. So I'm immediately thinking a chicken parm, something along those lines. Hot-up.

Yes, maybe. If not, it's going to be... It's going to be like Jersey Mikes. Like it's just going to be like, okay, let's think. It's going to be mine, my cold sub would be a roast beef and turkey with provolone. Standard veggies, some lettuce, iceberg lettuce, you know, standard. Good tomatoes, if you can guarantee good tomatoes. Very light red onions, very light.

They are overpower, you know. Yeah. Oil and vinegar, some shake on there. And then the relish, the fucking cherry pepper relish. You got to have the cherry pepper relish. I would, let's think here. Oh, and a pickle, a nice spear pickle on that. I would want to do like a cheese steak style chopped steak. Yeah.

A couple cheeses on there. Maybe a mozzarella and a provolone. Cherry pepper relish, obviously. Oil, vinegar up the ass. What kind of sauce? I'm going to make an amendment to mine, remove the cherry pepper relish,

add a sweet jardinerer to tie in Chicago to tie Chicago into it. That's beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful. I would do the fucking little chunks of, like pickled chunks, chunks of pickles. Love that. And chunks of

tomatoes in there. Oh, that's like a, what kind of sauce do I want, though? Probably, like a garlic, like a spicy garlic a ale. Like a sushi spicy spicy mayo. Yeah. Yeah. On, I know that you're not down with that.

But I would try that because that's unique and something. Or maybe like a saracha mayo. I try it. I try it. And then... What would you call it? What would I call it? Yeah.

The big fucker. Lettuce too. I love lettuce on a set on a sub. You got to have a little crunch in there. Yeah. Absolutely. Curious, your guys' thoughts on Northern Unrest bands after seeing DOP as well as the bands coming up in UK. HC also come to Northern Unfest, as we've said before.

You get us there. Well, not just that, but like, I think what is happening in Glasgow is the perfect example of just like what hardcore is and should be. Yeah. Like, remember how- You just keep fucking grinding in your home until other people notice. When we were earlier when someone was like, I'll do the city tier list, that's an example of maybe a city being lower on a tier from a playing standpoint. Obviously, Glasgow is like gorgeous. Yeah.

That would move up due to people being like, you know what? And now it's a certified A mark. There you go. You know, that's like a perfect example. All because of like things we were talking about with Chicago. Yep. A new crop of people come, start these bands. It creates this whole new culture where the local people love the band.

so much that other people come to just to see and experience that love and let's not discredit the value of social media and viral clips like DOP guy fucking fucking having the craziest swag ever. Love to see it.

What are your go to current go-to recipes to make? If I were to if I had just like time to go to the store and make something right now. It's hot right now. I know just like a lovely

saviche that I make with shrimp. Good for you, man. Shrimp and some, just like tilapia, some like easy white fish. All really fresh ingredients though. Really nice. So it's not really cooking, but it's hot. Yeah, that's cooking.

Sounds like a good meal. I can make an incredible steak. Yeah? Like certified, unbelievable. I'll get a steak in a restaurant. sometimes and know that mine is better. Isn't it the worst, dude? It is.

Like, damn, I paid $100 for this. Imagine being Brody King. Do you think you make a better one than him? No. He's a legit professional meat man. Unbelievable. Fucking asshole. How often should bed sheets be changed?

Minimum once a week. Once a week. That's absolutely right. And minimum. If you're sick or something, change it the next day. Three times a week. Yeah. Favorite game soundtracks,

no-from software games. Good. Skyrim's undeniable. That's an incredible one. Jeremy Soul, respect. Trying to think the ones that really stand out. I mean, Dune Eternal.

Oh, dude. Gets me jacked up. Mario 64. Yeah. Kingdom Hearts. Soundtracks. Tony Hawks Pro Skater, too. Every, yeah.

The newest Red Dead, Red Dead 2, like just the ambient guitar. Beautiful score. Yeah, it's unreal. So nice. Oh, dude, I got one. Stardue Valley. Have you ever played Star Do? Yeah.

Dude, I just, when I got home, I wanted something kind of like menial and just full of tasks to like zone out and play. So I started a new farm. And the soundtrack changing with every season and shit, it's just like, oh. It's so pleasant. It feels so good. Hades has a great one. Hades. When the battle starts,

it's like, Bain, da, da, yeah. Yeah, Bain. Fuck, yeah, dude.

Gun, gun, animal crossing. The bone hydra. Yeah, dude, animal hydra. And of course, I know you don't fuck with it, but Ocarina of time has.

All-timer. If I hear the rain song, do-na-no-no-do-no-da-da-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-da-na. I'm in another place. And the Zelda theme song is like top five. Dun-down-down. Do-da-da-da. Or the dun-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

I remember. I remember sitting in front of a zenith television and walking into Hyrule field for the first time after that fucking owl talks to you. and that starts playing. And it's just like, it's a core memory. Yeah, it's literally a core memory.

This question is for Bo. I love how you've gotten into Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. Any other 60s, 70s, jam folk, i.e., the band,

Almond Brothers, et cetera. Well, I'm not into Crosby, stills, Nash. It's an important distinction. Are you not a Neil Young guy?

I'm not really a Neil Young guy, but I'm not a hater. Okay. I just haven't started of my journey yet. But basically the actual answer to that question is like, I like America. I like fucking Leonard Skinner and Credence and like all like classic rock stuff.

Go like if you haven't seen the Woodstock documentary, it's like a three hour movie about everything and it just shows like there's so much footage that sometimes there's two camera angles on at the same time. just showing you shit from that weekend and like how it went. The actual soundtrack from that, every single artist on there is phenomenal in some way. Yeah. Yeah.

From like Jimmy Hendrix to Havens to fucking the Who is on there. Like everything on there is. Isn't it crazy that Jimmy Hendrix is a left-handed guitar player? Yeah. And you know how he just took a right one and flipped it. So it's all upside down. It's just like, what do you mean? you're a god

because anybody else did that I'd be like that sucks I'm not watching that you know that like the fest ran so far behind that that kind of famous where he plays the Star Spingled banner that was Monday morning

the fest was over like it ran that far behind he was the headliner headliner so that he only played and I say only but he played to like 20 to 40,000 people

instead of a quarter of a million right And those are just the people, the people who stuck around to watch. The diehards that stayed till 8 a.m. It's pretty crazy. It's insane. Mount Rushmore Morrissey songs. I mean, Speedway is in all time for me.

It's got everything I need. Songs. Irish Blood, English Heart. Really? It's unreal, dude. That's an unreal song. Okay. That's the kind of cheekiness I want from him.

You know what I mean? That's the like, hey America. Or no, I'm sorry, I'm thinking of America. That's the kind of like, hey, England. Hey, England. Yeah, you know. I spits upon the name. Oliver Cromwell.

From that record, I would say crashing boars is my is my Mount Rushmore pick. Speedway's easy. Easy. Now my heart is full. Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean, Vox Hall has 18 candidates alone on there. A lot of your friends.

Like, yeah. That whole lot of your friends would probably be another Mount Rushmore for me. Rift, dude. Crazy riff. Oh, Oh. Burn. Dun,

Dun, Deng, Nek. Boundo na, na, no, w w w woh, come on.

Let the right one in. Yeah. It's just like such a fun song and there's like bells in it and stuff. I just like, I love that song. It's a deep cut. I like it.

I agree. Maybe dear God, please help me. Number four. Co-written by Ennio Morricone. Really? I did not know that. Wow.

There's a video of it being played with a full orchestra. Is Morrissey singing? Or is it just the song? Yeah, no. It's he's sitting there watching the orchestra record. And like none of that makes it to the record. It's out there. So it's somewhere.

It exists. But it's weird that he was probably just like, it's too much. Just think it's tough. It takes away from me. Yeah. Any weird, dumb eating habits for me, the last full bite of my meal has to be the protein. 100%. I'm the same way.

The last full bite of my meal needs to be everything, like an all in one bite. You do sides and? Yeah, well, on a meal with fork and knife. Okay. If that makes sense. So like if I'm having steak, potato and peas, I get like a little combo. That's my last bite. I kind of have to do that.

I'll tell you the most annoying thing that's been going out with me for the last two years is I start eating too fast and my esophagus fills up with food and I feel like I'm going to fucking pass out. Ew. Dude, it's killing me. How do you do that? I don't know if I have something going on or what is. I tweeted about a while ago and people gave me all kinds of scary ass things. And it's basically, I just have to slow down.

What happens is I get so hungry. I eat too fast. chew 20 times minimum per bite. Yeah, I definitely don't do that. Okay. Well, Yeah. Full House taught me that when I was six, so you should have watched more TV. Well, it didn't happen to me when I was six. Well, you should have watched Full House now. How long do you think your respective bands would last in Green Room? Neither of our bands would have played that show. Yeah, straight up. But if somehow we did, I think both of our bands would do very well.

To be honest with you, I think we'd be okay. I think they would have seen Sean come and have been like, oh, this guy's cool. And Sean would very quickly have to correct them. Hey, yo. I'm not like you. I'm not like you, son. Yeah, I think we'd do all right.

I think we'd be fine. Also, I was, uh, Colin Young Vines. Do they still exist on the internet? Sadly no. Dude, what a shame that. all vines just like got lost. That's so stupid. It ain't right. Bring it back.

Elon, you fucking loser. You're the only one with the power to bring it back. You piece of shit, scumbag, freak. Fuck you. That concludes this Q&A. Thank you all so much for joining us this week. We love you immensely. Yeah.

Biggly. It's been so fun. Yeah, it felt so good to just like sit down and yap. you know. And now we get to just sit for a little while. We get to take the day off finally. It's really nice. I'm going to go see Twisters in 4D.

Dude. 4D. So I know it like blows and it'll like mist and stuff. Did the seats move? Big time. So that's the movie that like that's like I remember. I bet 4D has never seen business like this. Yeah.

Because I know like the Batman came out in 4D. Yeah, but it's like, whoa, what happened? there, you know? I don't want to see that. I want to watch the Batman. I want to just... Twisters, I want to get my ass beat. I want to be twisted.

Oh, my God. That sounds so fun. Yeah, so come on over. I'll see you in two hours. All right. Thank you all for watching so much. We love you. We'll be back next week.

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