HardLore - Anthony Green: Circa Survive's Break Up, Leaving Saosin, L.S. Dunes & Addiction

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

We're joined by alternative music legend Anthony Green, former vocalist of Circa Survive & Saosin and currently of L.S. Dunes. We sit down in person on the S.S. Neverender to discuss his life in music, from being in bands like Jeer at Rome and Audience of One as a teenager, to joining and quickly quitting Saosin after leaving his permanent mark on the band and an entire genre, starting Circa Survive immediately upon returning home, their recent (definitive) break up, the unexpected shock of being asked to join L.S. Dunes, and battling addiction through it all/balancing fatherhood for the last 15 years. Thank you to Anthony for joining us and to all of you for watching this incredibly honest, thorough discussion with a truly one of a kind artist. ______________________ Edited by Steven Grise (@iamoneonenineseven) • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf (@marzluf) HardLore: A Knotfest Series Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links: HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Visit GUILTY PARTY, our favorite menswear store in North America and get 10% off site-wide with code HARDLORE: https://www.guiltyparty.co Try AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free hat, flavor sampler kit, vitamin D/K drops, and an AGZ sample. Get 15% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! ____________________ FOLLOW ANTHONY: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/anthonygreen666/ FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe #HARDLORE #HARDCORE____________________  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It was just like I was a liability. But they, but it's like they don't see you quitting the band coming. At one point when we were in Seos and there was like a thing where, you know, and I think in a kind way, in a way of where they were trying to be like, hey, you know, you don't have to be here for the writing of the music if you don't want to. You know, I might have taken it a different way, but I think they were just like, I think, I know for a fact it came out of them being like, hey, whatever you need, we got you. But being a piece of shit and at the time,

not really communicating that could have been i could have talked them about that and figured it out like that like i would like to write is probably all i would have you know i was like oh they don't even want me to be there for the writing like what am i do like what are you like yeah yeah just total dumb drum bullshit it's hard lord time how you doing both i'm doing great where are we we are currently at sea somewhere in the gulf of mexico yes indeed on the s never ender and we've got we've got you guys ready to this The incomparable vocalist of no less than 10 banks. 9, 10?

I'm sure you're not counting anymore. One of the kindest people I've ever met in music, friend of the show, one of Doyle's town's greatest sons, Anthony Grant. I just honestly didn't think you were going to do that in the beginning of all this. I was like scrambled my eggs a little bit. Very nice to be there. Are you a scrambled egg man?

I take my eggs all. I like, I'm a variety guy. I'm over easy or over me. I'm over hard because they can't fuck it up. It is true. It's like an easy. You know what I mean? Some days I like a drippy egg.

Yeah. I like it dripping on my other spot. Yeah. I like it. I like when it's all egg. You know what egg has all of the new? Like besides vitamin C, I think vitamin C is the only it doesn't have. It has like everything you need in.

Yeah. I don't know, actually. A lot of things I might say on here aren't going to be like 100% actual. We do that. But I believe in it. We do that all the time. I do that all the time. I believe I'm about to do it right now.

An egg that's the same thing with like a carnivore diet, you still need your vitamins. Yes. You'll get scurvy. Yes. I've yet to get scurvy. Wait, what the, what is scurvy? It's pirate shit, dude.

Yeah, I think it's... Is it like a butt thing? I think it's a skin thing. Yeah. So it's like a fungal. It could happen on your butt. It's like a fungus. I think it's a skin thing.

How's the cruise been? You haven't. Are you gonna try to, this is gonna be, we can't be normal. No, we're gonna be, it's gonna do a little bit of, we're gonna go in. I mean, it's fun, it's fun. It's fun. The shows have been really fun. Yes. And it is cool, it's a cool experience to sit out and see the ocean.

Yeah. And you do get to meet cool. I honestly getting to see shows. I don't get to see shows that much when I'm home. Like, I don't get to go, I don't, I'm, you know, I'm good to go out very much. I'm kind of a hermit. And getting to be in a situation. be in a situation where you can't avoid it. And you're like, oh, you could go see new bands. I've got to see Sweet Pill.

I never saw them. They're really cool. I got to see you guys, which was really cool. I can't stress how much I needed you. And the misfits, that was really cool. Thank you. Dude, you had to, everybody was all the Knotchki guys were there. Everybody was, like, stoked to see by play.

It was one p.m. Right. And maybe the blazingest sun that's ever blazed. Yeah. I feel like Tongues is for like a container. You need to be containers. Yeah, darkness, like past 10. 10 o'clock at night time.

It's not a, maybe not a festival act. But you were there, you know, which is all we play now, which is awful. It's like a hardcore fan, you know. Is it cruise something either of you would go on? Like recreationally? Yeah. No. No.

Maybe. But like. But I think this is kind of best case. 100%. When I was getting fucked up, I think people could have sold me on like, okay, we're going to go out and just get like fucked up in like drink nonstop. That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing out there.

But that's why. And that ain't included. You know what I mean? They're paying. Yeah. Shoo. Yeah. You ever been talking up on a boat?

Probably. Nice. You wouldn't. Probably. I know that Circa once did like a thing where we like recorded like a session like acoustic style like on a little boat somewhere in Europe. China dinghies? Yeah.

And I remember like it wasn't like in my best years. Oh. Well you remember part of it at least. That's something. Good shit. Remember that it has snapshots. Yeah. It's huge.

Snapshots. The hard part now is we've been spending time together for like four straight days and having fun conversations the whole time and now we have to like replicate that. That's what I was like. I don't do lots of podcasts and stuff like that. And like when I, like this is like, this is easy. Yeah. It should be.

It's fun, you know. But like whenever you're, you're actually in the hot seat, it's like scary. This is going to be freezing. Yeah, isn't it? And I've watched you guys do stuff before. I'm like, oh, yeah. We're here for you. Chill.

We're here together. This is a team. Yeah, yeah, very much. I'm honored to be on your podcast. Wow, stop. Yeah, I'm honored to be on your podcast. Actual legends. Oh, my God.

Actual legends. Enough. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're always gassing. I know. You can't take a little gas. You know, I got gas.

You're here with Ellis Dunes right now. Yep. I, personally, did the first or second ever Ellis Dunes interview up. I think it might have been the first. Is that when you guys met? No, no, we met long before that. When did we first meet?

I don't know, but we've been oomph for much longer. From the get. Yeah, yeah. From the get. He was a, he followed me on Vine. And I was like, what the fuck? Wow. You're a fan of the Vine?

He was hilarious. It was. It was really funny. That was when I found out you were funny. That was the Vine. You know? Because I only knew you through like a group text. I mean, we hadn't met.

I wasn't cracking bits in that? No. I've got some bits for you now. Bolliger guitars. Bolliger guitars. I don't know. I'm only ever funny by accident. Like, I'm never funny on a podcast.

Like, I'm never funny, like, when on, like, TV. Like, I never had to, like, do anything where I'm like, oh, like. You never gotten Matt Penfield just pissing his pants? No, I'm never, like, funny in interviews or, like, when things are being recorded. I'm always, like, kind of funny, like, when it doesn't count. But you know what? That's authentic. That's organic.

I used to be really scared of doing these things because I was just like I don't want people to find out like what an idiot I am but then I just realized like oh yeah they're gonna fight now I think if I try to hide it it's gonna be worse But your art reveals a non-idiot You know it's inherently non-idio

I think there's like a seriousness to a lot of it Where it's like oh okay then I don't have I don't have to like it I don't know I don't have to worry about it anymore But I used to worry about like just like how I would come off or I guess or whatever

I would be worried about how people like oh people what are they gonna think of this or what are they gonna think of that and it's like dude people are just gonna say and do whatever

whatever yeah no matter what you say comments are yeah we don't we stop we don't read comments yeah yeah no there's no there's no business yeah you gotta no

it doesn't help you any 99% of them are like really super nice and but the only one you remember is the one where you're like yeah but honestly what's like I don't know

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. In that interview, you revealed to me that you often smoke cigarettes on airplanes. Yeah. Is that something you still do? I don't. I quit smoking cigarettes that may. No way.

Yeah, for my kid. Because I was really... And then just started smoking this thing all the time. I'd probably smoke this thing five times as much as I would because you could smoke anywhere. You could do anywhere. I don't have to go outside. It doesn't even look cool. It's awful.

Dude. It's like a dumbass. It's horrible. It's digital versus analog. I'm about to go. When I get home, I'll try. get hypnotized. Have you done that before? I have but not for like therapeutic reasons just like in college like when they were like oh yeah are you susceptible?

I got hypnotized in college. It was yeah what was it straight up it was like you got on stage and they had you like act like you were somebody or you were a chicken or you were like you know asking somebody for a date or whatever I don't remember any you begogged for the I was all over I was like I did everything I was holy shit I was so susceptible why are some people I I I need to do research. It freaked me up. It freaked me out.

Jason. Oh, Jason. Jason. Jason. Friend of the show. You know, you know a hypnotist? We know. We do.

We do know. Very good friend of the show. There's a guy in my town who is a hypnotist and like, I've just always seen him. Like, and I didn't know he was a hypnotist. He was like just guy. He's always out in front of the coffee shop. He's a crystal guy. Dangling a very nice guy.

Dangling a pocket watch in front of your face. And then one day he was like talking with somebody in my coffee shop and I was like, that's the Hitman, you're the guy who leaves the cards everywhere. Whoa. And I just, I... But you've yet to be gotten by him? No, I talked to him, and I was like, I want to get hypnotized to quit vaping. And he was like, I can do it.

I can do it right now if you want. I was like, no, I'm not right now. I want to vape for a little bit longer. Yeah. Now, are you vaping on planes? Oh, yeah. So, like this? What's the tech?

You do this in your seat? And then I... And then I hold it so long. You swallow it? It's a bad example, but I hold it so long. Yeah. And I'll load it so long. I let it out really slowly.

It's invisible. Wow. It's invisible. Oh. You see a little bit? I see a little bit. But that could be anything. But that could be anything.

Yeah. And on a plane, everything is loud. Everything loud in the air circulating. There's, on the flight over here, there was a lady sitting next to me who was definitely like, every time I did it. Because she's getting Kiwi strawberry out of nowhere. The cigarettes was, like, a difficult thing. That was, like, also a time where I was, like, doing heroin.

Oh, it was mid-heroine? I would, yeah, it was like, the cigarettes, a lot of, the times were like okay I would smoke the heroin and then I would take like a couple drags of a cigarette right afterwards to try to dissipate the smell of the fentanyl that people could smell you know after a while of of doing that around people they'll start to figure it out they're like you are asleep in front of me right now and you smell like burning rubber so were the cigarettes kind of a a tool to stop the I don't know it I really liked smoking when I was fucked up

It felt good. It was like they went together and I was just like I just got stuck doing it for so long and it was like a It was a hard habit to break I'm very happy how how did you break it? My kid was like you I want you to stop smoking Oh And when when they were like yeah do that Like I just want you I want you to be Alive for as long as you can I don't want you to smoke and I was like okay and so I used this to

Get off of it and then they were like proud of me for me and And they were like, when are you going to stop doing that? I'm like, get off my bed. And then, like, a year later, they were doing it. They started voting. And I was like, oh, my God, dude. And when I caught them doing, they were like, let's quit together. And I was like, how about we do it forever together?

But part of it, I want us all, like, I want to quit so that I'm not, like, encouraging them to do it. And like you said, you're vaping five times more than you would smoke a cigarette. Because it's right there. It's, like, all the time. I, like, wake up with it in my hand sometimes. It's so stupid. Now what is bad about it, about vaping?

It's a cigarette. No, there's no smoke. It's the same thing, right? Okay, so in my head, there's like a cognitive dissonance. I'm like, it's better for me. It's not as bad. There's not as much cursina Johns. Yeah.

They're out. No, I know him. Curson. I'm sick of him, dude. But like, in my head, I'm like, it's got to be better. But then, like, once in the month I see a thing on the thing where it's like popcorn. And lung. I'm not trying to get that.

No. Totally. It sounds delicious. You go to the movies. You know? I'm at home. I don't need to be doing it. I'm not trying to fuck with that.

But is there, I also don't want to be a singer who smokes. So fucking stupid. Singing's my favorite thing in the world. Yeah. It's like, oh, I don't know. It's like my favorite thing in the world. So I'm going to do this thing that fucks with it. There you go.

It's like my, I don't know. I think there's like this thing that everybody has where it's like if you're meant to do this, like maybe there's like a dark shadow end of it that comes with it. And that might be like I have bite my fingernails. I'm always doing and so like the smoking comes from that and it's a fixation it's like part of like my maybe it's

I don't know I'm just accepting mine mine is ice cream okay I can't and Derry kills my voice and guess what I did before the first show on this what you ate ice cream? I necked down suck down two comes back to that you really think Dary fucks your voice up I know for a fact okay because I think that's in there

I'm in you're hearing it right now oh it's my fault my falsetto you don't think the flam sometimes gives you like a cooler. I think if I was... If James Headfield does that, there's a different... If I was going for,

oh, yeah, yeah, I'd be sucking back home. Headfield, who's your, like, when you're, like, singing, like, who's your, like, who's your influences? Who am I doing? Not doing, but who, like, drew that out of you?

They're like, I want to do that. Pete Steele. Okay, yeah. Messiah from Canelmas. Okay. Jonah Jenkins, only living witness. Hey, Jonah. Okay.

Fucking Ozzy, King Diamond, you know? Yeah. All these guys are, And then a little bit of fucking Tom G, you know, Tomi Warrior with the uh. Yeah. That's about it. What about you? Yeah, that's a great question.

That's crazy. Because when I first started, like, singing, I was just screaming. And I, like, loved, like, Charles Bronson. Okay. I like bands, like, crippled bastards. Oh, shit. Let's go. And, like, I loved Grindcore.

And it was, like, what I thought I wanted to do. And you were doing, like, ah. Yeah, just screaming for you're saying. Really high-pitched and real low-pitched stuff. And then, like, bands like closure, bands like, you know, started, like how anybody finds melody and stuff. Like, I was ripping off, you know, things that I heard. And I love, everything comes from someone.

I remember hearing Kaven have a song, Beyond a Hypoiturnia, where it's like in the middle, or actually maybe it was not that record. But it's like in the middle of this song, there's just like a singing part. Yeah. And like in this middle of this like metal song. Yeah. Fucking heavy has on it.

There's two seconds of this beautiful singing. Uh-huh. And I was like, fuck. And the back and forth of that was like so cool to me. And I really like that. Like I really love that. Like, oh, you're like, you're kind of doing this aggressive thing, but you're also doing this thing that's like sort of like delicate and more feminine.

And there's like a balance in that. Yeah. I loved it. And then they went all in on that and made the sickest shit ever. And then screen, though. Like, I, like, that turned into this crazy thing that was, like, not even a, like, it was so cool back in the thing. Like, it was so cool.

Like, it was, and then I feel like it just turned into this thing that, like, couldn't be cool. Yeah. I mean, like, it just got so out of hand. And, like, that's a following. Dude, you are a legit pioneer of that genre, you know? It's weird because, like, I was, like, I felt like so much on the periphery of everything like in Philadelphia like I wasn't a part of like the

hardcore scene or anything like I was like I was a part of I was a fan you know going to everything and like none of my bands like even if we played shows with fans or I were like like a celebrated part of that history you know maybe in retrospect people say that now what about in

Doylestown? Like yeah like in Doylestown you go to the fucking Christmas market in Doylestown I've been there I've spent many many Christmases in Doylestown they know everybody I know in my town I know just like from being like a dad and being like you know like a person in town like not a lot of people in my town like no like they know I'm the band guy but they don't they don't yeah yeah

yeah yeah I hear you do the music and the stuff how's your kids if once in a while if I'm like in or they're all asking like they all are used to seeing me and then not seeing me for like three months and be like where are you coming from how I love you go for like that's it yeah but it's cool like I love being a musician so I love but how do you find Charles Bronson and fucking Purple bastards of all thing. Do you have an old head showing you stuff? Yeah, a lot of old heads. A lot of like, just not even old heads, but like just people.

I had older brothers that like my oldest brother like got me into like minor threat. And like ever, like introduce me to hardcore from like the D.C. New York side of stuff. And I had like brothers wearing like New Order and R.E.m. I got this. You got it all. Well rounded. Yeah. But I went to high school with this kid named Tom Dockertie who, who,

I started my very like first bandwidth was called audience of one yeah and we were we were like we started out making like heavy we were like just impersonating like like anal cunt cool loved anal kind shit like that like we were like you know melt banana like anything like we didn't have we were like yeah I didn't know how to play we were just figuring shit out we were just jamming with each other one point I was playing bass and uh we would go over to tom's house after school and like just he had drum kit in his basement and we were just jam you know i would play or he would play and we were just like fucking jam and like heavy and it was so cool it was just discovering things you know um he introduced me to cripple bastards like a lot of italian grindcore and like he would

order records and like he also introduced me to strife and earth crisis and snap case like were you ever straight-age for any foreign of time uh i think i might have been like like as a little kid like before like I might have like drone X's on my hat and like stuff like that like when you needed it you needed it that man I was like this is cool like

like drugs are stupid but then like yeah but how psych would you be if your kids said the same thing that would be so psyched yeah and and all of my straight edge friends are like I have been the best role models for my kids like growing up like when I have been like kind of

you know not always been doing the best example like you know Chris Sorenson plays bass for O'Sayvson has been like one of my best friends forever and he's like my uncle to my kids and he's like they see him he's so fun going for hikes doing fun shit like

learning how to you know take video take photography play bass record music making a hundred bands and like that's what life has to offer you when you're not he's a regimen throwing in a oh yeah for a long time as long as I've ever known him and does it like

the right thing the Dude, when I first moved out of California, like, all of the Edgman that I met, like, Biggie was kind of part of these guys. They were, like, they were like the most violent people I ever met, but they were also, like, the kindest and sweetest, and, like, immediately accepted me because I was in Saucson. Was Biggie part of the Sayerson story at all? I met Biggie.

Biggie saved my wife at a chain reaction show. Tell me. At a what show? At a chain reaction show? Yeah. Somebody was there. I might have like stolen money from somebody's like mom at their house or something. I might have stole I might have stolen something. Okay. But I was like somebody's boyfriend was gonna fuck me up. And Biggie took care of it. Wow. You took care of it like without like with and like it was like that was like my first me. I never really met him. Were you stealing stuff on the reg or what? I probably stole a little bit. Yeah. Was that to fuel? Yeah. Yeah. I was like well it was fuel but I was also living like I was living in like I was living in people. garages and whatever just to have some money yeah but I also just like that was that was really good it was dumb it was dumb where would you sell stuff that you stole I would try you're like you were gonna make it happen trading lots of trading

trade in just kind of trade your way I see I'm not trading involved trade your way to the bag maybe gotta find it audience of one does that evolve into Jers at Rome are they from are they synonymous That's so funny in Jerram. Yeah. Those are like the coolest dudes. Those are like the most hardcore situation that was ever. Those guys were like from Freight Train and like cool bands.

And I was like, I was like 16 or 17. And I remember I loved all of the bands that they had been in. Like there was the drummer, Luke, and the guitar player Mike were in a band called Demiurge, I believe. Yeah. It was like before, yeah. And it was like before like Freight Trame or one of the dudes was in Kensington. And yeah, they were just Mike Migliacci. It's a great, great dude.

And they hear this kid wailing. They wanted me to be in the band. It was like the coolest feeling I ever had. Because you had the pipes. Hey, yeah, we want you to sing for this, dude. Yeah, and I was like, it was so cool. My dad had to drive me to Bristol to go practice with these guys. Is there a Bristol, Pennsylvania?

Bristol, PA. I'm from Bristol, kind of tough. Like, I live, like, in the burbs, like, outside of Philadelphia. I always say Philadelphia, but I'm from Philadelphia. You're Doyle's town, right? I grew up outside of Doylestown. Oh, okay. I've been in Doylestown for last like 15 years.

I recognize Doylestown. Yeah. It's a great place, beautiful place. Spends a lot of time there. Yeah. Yeah. The Willstown's awesome. It's like a weird little bubble.

It's awesome. It's a weird little bubble. It's awesome. They got a golf course. They got a pizza place. They got a cool movie theater. Like my favorite stuff there. It's a beautiful little bubble.

So, Gerard Rome. How long does that last? It was only like maybe a year. or two and it was like there were shows that like we would get book shows like and I had to like I was grounded because I wasn't getting good grades and I was like these guys are in their 20s and they want me to sing in their band like you have to let me go my dad would drive me to like you know plank apart so they got me for and drop me off to sing and then wait in the thing and I come back yeah and like that's how serious he was like about me being grounded I like

like just the fact that he let me go and do it and wait and let me like it was like a thing So they supported that's good That's good dad stuff though In my opinion Like that's good parenting Yes Like you fucked up so you must be punished But I this is your thing

I understand it's hard It was so foreign to them Like all that stuff It was scary to them Yeah So like I And they were You know

I give them a lot of credit For For You know Let me kind of They was really scary There were the type of people Who would be like

You're getting bad grades We're taking your guitar Oh Yeah, and I'd have to like sneak and get it and like do stuff like that. Riffing in the dark. They never saw music as being like a thing that, you know, was like possible to like do, you know. So have, did they witness what would become of you in this musical? It was funny because when I left to go to California, like I had to take them to like a therapist to talk to them about me leaving

because it was like such a meltdown type of situation where they were like, they were like kind of like, ultimatum me like you're going to leave like, you know, whatever. It was like weird. And they, you know, and I was like called this guy that I had seen, like, this therapist that I'd seen in high school. I was like, hey, can I bring my parents in so we can I have like a real conversation about like me having to do this? And I remember this therapist. I was like 19 or 20. Okay. But do they see Seyerson become like number one MySpace ban a year?

They went from me not wanting to do it and being like, I don't know if we can like support you if you're going to do this, you know, to like showing up to New York a year later with like home-made. shirts yeah there we go okay so they got it yeah they got there eventually okay beautiful 62 000 records in it in a month or something for the first one is that what it is yeah you guys it was huge doesn't that sound insane by today it's actually sound insane and it is you'd be like riana yeah straight up dude like Drake doesn't sell so i think jacob but there's no marketing at that time like it was just my space and like you were every and every teenage girl i knew was an Anthony Greenhead. So in my mind, I'm like, fuck this guy. But to them, I'm like, yeah, he's the best.

But now, now that I know the man, they were right. Tell me about Zoloff, the rock and roll destroy. Dude, that was, so the first, like, when audience one wanted to record, every, like, this day forward bands like, like, Bas Hena, which was like a local, like, they kind of sounded like Fugazi. They were, like, they all recorded at this place called Skylight Studio. and it was sort of near Bristol like it was like and this dude had

a studio that he worked out of his dad had and he was like his dad did like gospel music and then he would do like punk and hardcore and he recorded it everybody and so like my goal was to like go there and so we like we saved up money and like we went there and I did the record and he was like

hey would you want to like sing for this band like I want to it's like I want a guy and a girl singer and I want to sound kind of like that dog and like you know old weezer and I was like I'm in love this and insane he also liked that I would write like he wrote songs and like almost all of the stuff that you hear from Zolov like he wrote a lot of the lyrics and melodies for that wow but other times he would be like hey go at it you know what I mean and

like he liked that I would could go in the studio and just make stuff up is this the and so audience of one you're writing or you're writing this guy Vince Raddy Vince Raddy dude he was the guitar player for Zoloff, Rock and Rolls, wrote everything. Also, he recorded, like, Life On Sloss. He's... He's recorded, like, all these crazy records, like, brand-new records. He's done all this stuff for Circa,

like... And I would be... I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for this guy. He was a first dude who ever told me I could sing. First dude who was ever told me I could write a song or play a song or told me I had anything to offer. Like, he was the first person that made me feel like I had something to show up for

and I wasn't just like imitating people and he believed in me actually. So this is where songwriter Anthony Green begins. Yeah, for sure. Like I did these songs with him that was kind of high in driving. I was gonna call this project and it became this like EP. And I wrote all these songs and had my drummer friend Tim Arnold who's played on all of my solo stuff. He was just this like amazing jazz drummer and he just showed up in the studio and we jammed the songs. Like I had the structures like all.

built out and he just put stuff down. We did this thing and Vince let me do it as like a favor, like didn't charge me. Oh, beautiful. And it was like a thing where, like, people from Seyosen, like heard those songs. Like, some of that shit was like... So that really opened the deal for the rest of your life. Yeah, Vince changed my life. Damn.

And a lot of people don't know how pivotal he is to other people. Like, he's, like, it's crazy. Like, he's way more than just Olaf. Like, that guy has... He's still part of... And he's still working. He's still making. still mixes and does all this crazy shit.

He's a great dude. Are you touring at all with these bands at this time? No, I never really... I had one tour for audience and one that I was supposed to go on. My parents forbade me to go on like a day before because of some trouble I got in. And so the guys... What kind of trouble were you in? You're a bad kid, huh?

You're so naughty. It was like drug stuff. So drugs you found real early. Mm-hmm. How? How are you getting access to all this stuff? Honestly, all the craziest drugs I ever found were in my house already. Fuck.

So like I remember buying weed and smoking weed in like eighth grade from like a kid that like I knew and like school that said they could get it like stole from their brother or something. But I got weed and then was scared to smoke it. And like I think I was hell bent on like being a drug addict before I, like I remember being a kid and being like fascinated by it and being like I kind of love that. Like, I kind of love that idea of, like, I'm not having control and not, and I don't know, just symptoms seem like kind of romantic about and pulled me in about it before I even did it.

Wow. Yeah. When, how many times do you make a big conscious effort to stop? A lot. And the first time I ever made a conscious effort to stop, I was before Seyosen. I was in college, I was like 18 or 19. I went to rehab for my first time for opiates,

but also like Xanax was. big thing at the time like it was like a long time ago and is this all just easy to get it was it was pretty easy to get like you didn't know drug dealers in philadelphia is very rich with for sure heavy drugs like open-air drug market and yeah and then the suburban kids and like honestly like i remember going to dare class and learning about pills and coming home and being like these are all in my house like i'm i know what to look for you know what i mean and so it was dare to try I dare kind of, yeah, I dare you to try this. Wow.

And then taking one like Demerall or something from my parents and thinking like how they're going to find it. And within two years, I was emptying all of the painkillers they had in the house and they never noticed, never said a thing. Wow. To this day? Yeah, to this day. To this day, they're still like, I had no idea. Uh-huh. Yeah, sure.

But like I was the youngest of four boys and my three brothers were like 10 years older than me. So it was like 10 years went by. Yeah, that's a big. I came up and they were, they were sort of like, all right, this guy's good. He's going to be fine. Yeah. Wow. What's your relationship with your parents like today?

It's cool. Like, we didn't talk for a long. Like, it was cool. Like, I would say that they took a long time. It took a long time. Like, there was just stuff where once I started having kids, it was like a thing where I was like, I realized sort of that they were just trying their best. And there was a lot of resentment I was holding on to for stuff that happened when

I was a kid where I was like yeah you know what it's best thing for me is to like never talk to you and did not give you this and did not and then I think once the my kids started coming I realized like that actually only hurts me and forgiving them like forgiving them and realizing like they're kind it really isn't their all either because they didn't have any of the fucking stuff you know they needed to do the stuff we know that you don't write deprive the kids of grandparents either for sure and you know it felt better it just it feels good to have them in my life and to be able to like talk and in your kids lives and they think my

kids love me mom and peop that's my oh nothing better than me mom people yeah that's it that's fun it's like my my mom is is mema and other grandma is uh is me mom and uh mimi so they have a me me and a me mom which is cool are me me and me ma'am cool yeah they're oh fuck yeah do you remember her time ever that your four grandparents have two pairs met each other yeah i know they would never They would never. So when you get the call that, hey, I know you're in Pennsylvania, but we need you in California. Yeah.

We're going to start this band. It's called Seyosen. Tell me your thoughts. Take me back. It took a while because at the time I was, like, in school and in, like, community college and I had gone to rehab. And I was, like, kind of, like, trying to stay, like, off of drugs. and like trying to stay clean

and like I was going to get my life together you know and so when this opportunity came up to go to California I was like it's just sort of destabilizing for what I have going on right now and I don't know if I don't know if it's

and what's funny is two weeks out of after I a year before that I got asked to be in this band called In Pieces I tried out for In Pieces they were like a hardcore band from Connecticut

I think they turned into bare hands you know those guys and they were the coolest dudes and I drove out to Connecticut and tried out for their band and they were like, when can you go on tour? Like yes, my brother was like dude, you just got out of rehab.

You can't join this band right now. So brother, brother, my brother Mike, who introduced me to all this cool music. He was the guy who was like, if you're meant to be in a band, this dude, if you're meant to be in a band,

you're meant to be doing this shit, it'll be right when you're ready. and I took like this I had faith in him and I had faith in that feeling and when the Seo's thing came up I was like I'm not sure if I can do all this and

those songs were so good like I really liked them like I was so excited about the idea that like oh my God like I never saw this opportunity for myself to like have art music be like the center of my life and like I could be like I remember telling my parents, like, I'm going to go to California.

I'm going to sing for this band. They were like, and I had sad bands and stuff. They were like, you know what I'm saying, dude. Oh, I see. And I was like, I know. I think I do. I know, but I'm going to do it anyway. I was literally like, I know, but I'm going to figure it out.

It's going to be awesome. And then you did one record, basically there for a year, and it would define a huge part of your life. I did my best, Claudio Sanchez, impression. Is that what? Is he a big influence? Humongous. I brought second stage to California to play. I remember being out with those guys, and we were listening.

They were like, check out 18 Visions, check out All-American Rejects. I'm like, check out fucking, you know. Coe and Cambria. And, you know, we were trading music back and forward. The Seusson dudes introduced me so much good music. So you hear his register, Claudio's register, and you hear yourself in it? It wasn't even that. It was just like it was better than anything I had ever attempted to try to do and it was so

Realized and confident like it it it it I definitely feel like he doesn't get enough credit for all of the people who sing like high pitched Yeah, like people will all the time say shit to me about high you know we know about my voice Your legendary timbre this dude is the first guy yeah in our world. I think who did that, you know, at least in our era of it. And Gate arguably gave me permission and paved the way for me to do all the stuff that I was able to do. Like, people didn't have a spot for it for Claudio. We already talked about that before we started rolling.

And you guys would never know. We just wanted to go on record. So good. He is, as a writer, like, all his melodies are so intuitive feeling. Like, you know, he, like, when I hear him singing, I wonder how it's how it works. Like as somebody who writes song and writes melodies, like to this day, I hear his newest record.

And I'm like, how? And he's got a right and left hand going. We just talked to him the other day and still don't understand. He's a rude excuse. And sometimes he doesn't understand. It's awesome. I think a person like him is a good guidestone. Because I look to him and I see his focus.

is the craft. His focus is the song. He isn't putting himself in the center of it. He is paying, you know, honor to something that's sort of greater than all of us. And in doing that, he's protected. Yeah, that's true. And he talked about how the story

was to protect him. That's a literal thing. Also, and not to give too much away from that interview, it was last week. You've seen it by now. If you haven't, that's good. Go check it out. He's completely obsessed. Like his hobbies are Music synth and comic books

Things that lead him straight back To what he's doing Yeah art music creation Like he that's That's his Nucan So Seusson This year

That year that you're there Is it a year or is it a little more It's like a little more than a year Yeah but we did cool tours Like we toured with like Tell me well Every time I die There's a

There's a time and multa Remember time and multi Yeah Oh yeah Multit yeah There's a jiff There's a famous animated jiff where dudes

throwing his guitar doing the thing bass players jumping off the cab and then you quickly stage dive and it's one of the most chaotic insane thing Triple platinum on Tumblr First sales and show ever dude

was that this place in Riverside was at Showbox theater Yeah I feel like I've been there And it was great You had to have been I feel like we've played there It was like this like

Showbosh showcase Showcase Corona Corona Yeah legendary And I remember First Seoson show? First Seoson show. Wow.

And I was like hanging in the crowd while everybody was getting everything set up. And I like remember just feeling the energy in the crowd. And I could hear people talking about the band. And it was like I had never been in a band, but like people knew or went to go see or anything like that. And that first show, it was, I never experienced anything like it. Yeah, it was like how people talk about like their first hit of some crazy drug. I was sucked in. crowd went off people knew the words

crazy like there was it was awesome and it was just like this community feeling like I wasn't from California but all these people like like they all were and the California crowd were like adopted me as like a native yeah when I came back I didn't know you were from PA right like when I came back with Circa it was like we had hometown

we would play like chain reaction we were play somewhere and it would be like playing in Philadelphia like it was crazy And, oh. It was 2003, the first show? Or 2002? I'm not great with you. But by 2004, you're out.

But by 2004, I'm telling you, every girl that I, every teenage girl that I knew, head to toe Seosen here. So when you say the first show popped off, I 100% can see that. I feel like there was a lot of, like, girls that, like, Seosen and their boyfriends being like, this man sucks. But then secretly being, like, played again. Yeah, you put that on it, I guess. Turn it up, whatever.

So tell me about touring on this record. What was that like? It was my first, like, real touring. Like, I did some... I played shows and did shit like that, but it was my first real touring, and I was fucking out. I was out of the fucking...

I was drinking. I was having fun. Is that on the wagon or off? I can never... Off. You're off. You're off that wagon. I was off that wagon.

I was going to strange people's homes. I was going where the wind took me. Are you, does Seyosen know about what you've been through up to now? We were all together. Yeah. Oh, like up till now. Yeah, do they know that you got out of rehab? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. But we were young kids. Yeah, of course. You know, they wanted, like, take responsibility for, and they weren't, like, partying super hard. Like, we all had a really good time. We had a good time together. And it wasn't, like, crazy partying. We were just, like, you know, 19-year-old's on tour, like, it was nuts.

Are you? But I definitely took it further than anybody, you know? like whereas everybody would like be like kind of like fun partying like I would be like I would like need stuff for tomorrow uh-huh you know what I mean and I you'd have to worry that like police when you get called in me I was gonna steal something or something so you're you're back to square one here I was worse probably okay worse yeah are you in a van at this time yeah touring in a van I can remember like waking up after like a night of like being blacked out if you're like peeing all over that like

waking up and peeing in the van not knowing I did it and then like the next day waking up not remembering it and the man be like yeah we'd have throw out all of our shit and like oh I'm sorry wow you're the party guy I was the bad I was like and it was like I was smoking cigarettes and weed all the time and like not singing great and you know like it was just like I was a liability but I really think of I was it was a different it was but they but it's like they don't see you quitting the band coming despite all this despite being a liability it seems like like they had to do a nationwide audition search to find your replacement i'm not sure it was like premeditated thing i think it was like a

kind of like a like i got impulsively was like i'm gonna do that i'm gonna try some else really very impulsive it was not premeditated no you just decided to leave no like i had scheduled to get my wisdom teeth out to go just to go like as an excuse used to go home. And I was working at Smart Punk at the time, like, you know, a couple days a week just for cash. Just mail order and shit? Yeah, like packing the sales and stuff.

Oh, that's awesome. For sleep and other things, just getting orders. And I went home and, like, hung out with Colin, and we, like, listened to music he was making. I was like, damn, I love to sing over this. And this is, like, more like the stuff, you know, that I'm, like, really attracted to at the time. Like, I was really starting to get it.

and getting into like like a marvel type just come out. And like all these like proggy things were happening. And I was like kind of just feeling like I at one point when we were in Seos and there was like a thing where you know and I think in a kind way in a way of where they were trying to be like, hey, you know, you don't have to be here for the writing of the music if you don't want to. You know, and I might have taken it a different way. But I think they were just like I think I know for a fact it came out of them being like, hey, whatever you need. we got you but being a piece of shit

and at the time not really communicating that could have been I could have talked to them about that and figured it out like that I would like to write is probably all I would have taken you know I was like

oh they don't even want me to be there for the writing like what am I doing what are you thinking? Yeah yeah just total dumb drum bullshit and I remember feeling like to their credit like I felt like

I don't know if I could handle being out there anymore like I almost think like subconsciously I left to come back here to be around people that would keep me more accountable because they were just like, yeah, well, you do whatever you need to do to get by as long as you show up. And we were young.

We were young. So, like, they didn't know how to take care of a fucking horrible drug at it. Do you know what I mean? And that's a lot to put on people. Do they know the extent of... They do now. Okay. But not at the time.

At the time, no way. Sure. Yeah. And they were as supportive as they could have been. I probably have been... Like, there's a lot of chapters in my book that I would, that all would have the same title, which is I would have done things a lot differently here.

Sure. So I would have done things a lot differently. But something that. Grateful how it all worked out. Of course. You know, like, but I wish that I had communicated better, you know, took us a long time. I was scared of those guys.

I was scared. And when we reconciled, it was like one of the greatest moments of my life, you know, to have them back in my life. And to not worry about that, to not have, like, you know, felt the same as like, having my parents back in my life.

That's beautiful. Wow. And then you got to write another record. Yeah, which is one of my favorite records all time. How collaborative was it? Extremely. Okay. Extremely.

You know, like, you know, but at the same time, like, at that point, everything they sent me, I was just like, this is so sick. Like, I'm not, like, trying to, like, at that point. That's how you felt when the band started. Yeah. That's awesome. That's kind of like, when I'm playing with guys like, Bo, like, I don't need to worry about the riff.

you know what I mean like I just want my contributing part to be as cool as his thing like and none of the bands I'm in I really have to like I don't go in there and I'm like this so like once in if I have an idea it's welcome but like I love being in a project where I can just like sing and just worry about oh dude I'm dying for it it's cool I would love to be a part of one someday circus or vibe starts you go home you you take your ball you head home we can't talk about circuit I'm just I'm sorry That's awesome

So it was a year I said some touring Yeah Came home You heard Circus stuff before it was circus stuff? I heard like Colin had demos That he wrote

Like just him Just him writing instrumental music And I was like This is fucking crazy Wow And then there was a couple times Where I was home I had like got my wisdom teeth out

I'm sure I had like a bunch of percassette Where we were just like Sitting around like Jamming and I was like This is like this is so cool because we were jamming and I was singing along to it in real time and it just felt like more like what I wanted to be a part of and and I didn't have to go through all of like you know the communication to get to it and like he was in you know this in this day forward as long as I knew him

so when this day forward had broken up we would like be texting on the road like oh dude we should start a band together yeah I always wanted to start I just worshiped Colin from like the minute I met him like he was the drummer this day forward but he also had other bands and he played played with and I just sort of was like an apostle I was like everything he did I showed up to and he was like the kindest person everybody wanted to be his friend and I was one of the only other people that smoked weed and I think like by default like we just ended up like hanging out and getting along and like some of my favorite like memories back then was just like going to his house and just driving around his block and listening to music and like you know that's what shapes us yeah and and now you're

part of the creative process in a way that you didn't get before yeah it's cool you're there circus vibe is that and we got to like pick it was really fun it was exciting time like it was a really exciting time like I remember being really scared like thinking like if I remember being scared leaving saves and thinking like I don't know if I just shot myself in the yeah was that it am I gonna I'm gonna watch this band just get massively successful and then I'm gonna like be like member you know what I mean yeah um and yeah and yeah I just kind of buried my head. Hey.

And when you're buried. Which I didn't write that song. I just sort of got in a zone where I was like, I'm just going to make music and have fun and be with my friends and not worry about anything. And then I did, I watched them become massively successful and do their thing. And I think like cheering them on helping me. Yeah, that's huge. Like it was never a thing where like I never wanted anything bad for them. You know what I mean?

I just like wanted to feel happier. and I couldn't put that on them. The way everything ended up working out in the long run was great, I put them through so much, so much. So fast. So fast. And they didn't deserve that.

They didn't deserve that in all. And they're like some of the coolest people I ever got to play with them. But this is just how life goes. Yeah. And who knows if Circa exists without it? Yeah, it probably wouldn't have. Ju-Turnum.

First album. Talk to me. Take me back. Brian McTurning. Saladay's, baby. And, you know, just this. The guys in the band, it's like Nick Beard from Taken, you know? And our drummer Steve Clifford was like this kid who was like a virtuoso, who could,

not only was one of the greatest drummers we tried out, but was just like, wrote songs, had music where it was like full song singing, like incredible musician. And then Brendan, who played guitar for This Day Forward, was just like, in my mind, and I don't know if this is factual, so I don't want to upset like the Dime or anybody from this day forward but like in my mind like when Brendan came to this day forward is when they started getting like more experimental and like it was like a little bit less like straightforward breakdowny and more like space rock into breakdowny shit like kind of and was really like exciting to me to be able to play with him

because he's one of my favorite songwriters like one of my favorite guitar players Brennan Ekstrom just the best and so the band in it of itself I was like I got this guy playing guitar who I worship and was like one of my favorite people I've always one to be in a band with. His guitar player from one of my favorite hardcore bands all the time this day forward, Nick from Taken, who I met when I was in California, and this other young guy who was just probably one of the best drummers I ever got to play with, just could write on the spur of the moment, play anything, and was like, had a, had a really creative spirit, was just down to do shit. Sometimes you can have five talented creative people who don't mesh well

together. Absolutely. And you happen to have the opposite of that. It was like, so we Your favorite bands. I like that. That's true. Yeah. What mesh? Yeah. That's just a dig at some bands. I don't like that he likes.

I saw you guys on this record touring, opening for Saves Today at the Metro in Chicago. Okay. You started the set like Acapella. It's like three minutes straight of just you going out there, arms behind your back, belt it. How do you go from, I think I can't. can do this to doing that? Where do you find the confidence to do such a thing?

Like, I think this is a cliche answer for this, but by the mercy of my teachers, I watched people like David Byrne. People who have the opportunity and then seize it to do something that, you know,

feels visceral and feels like not expected. That was like what Circa was like my opportunity to try whatever I wanted to. And with people who are also like all right you want to go do this we got you you know might be awkward but we got you you know yeah um i don't really know honestly a lot of it just comes from wanting to seize the opportunity to to like have that feeling that music carpe the dm yeah you know that feeling when you're out there and you're like you're doing something true for yourself there's like a

harmony in that even if it's slightly embarrassing or even if it's like you're seeing it connects with people And it's just like, oh, I know you're fucking into this, man. I see your eyes. And I will say, like, you do that for 20 seconds. Yeah, that's awkward. You get into minute two and you're like, oh, this is crazy. This guy's unreal. This guy is incredible.

And the whole room is silent watching it happen, you know. That's cool. It's amazing. That was left an impression. And also, Saves a Day was arguably one of my favorite bands growing up. So, like, getting to go from a Saves a Day fan at their shows to, like, hanging out with you know Chris and getting booked up and also at that time oh no it was that the tour yeah at that time they had manny and derage from glass draw yes as the rhythm section yes they did

and david was still playing guitar yeah david was still in the band it was like that just in loan was like for me as a kid yeah loving glass jaw loving saves the day just like I was like oh my god like I felt very much very accepted you know like it was really cool and There were times where like they would have a venue where there would be one dressing room. And Save the Day was on a bus, so they'd like, circuit gets the dressing room. Yeah, we'll be on the bus. And they would take a member, you know, whenever to like stay on the bus and, you know, get you drunk. And like, it was like, at the time, it was really fun.

It was really fun. Was that early on in the record cycle? Yeah, that was like in the beginning of us touring. It was one of the biggest tours we ever did. We're still in a van at that point. and I think a lot of people heard of us, you know, from that. I mean, that was absolutely how I heard of you guys and you had the banner with the girl.

Yeah, yeah. You know, the album art. Very iconic, you know. There she is. Oh, she is. You posed for that for the record? That was you? Wow.

20 hours. Wow. I knew you could do it. You're doing aquapel. East Alphan. Honestly, Issa, the guy who does the artwork for Circa, he's done everything. Yeah.

Like, almost no direction. He just gets music. and that's it and he just hears it and just like he is built so much or like artistically around the band there was a Frankenstein poster for the new movie that I was like they just ripped off the fucking circuses of oh no shit yeah it looks identical I was gonna say that it's good that it's the opposite of the Hans Zimmer thing for is it interstellar where he just got the story just heard yeah he just told him this is what I want you to feel dude that

soundtrack that it's that those those notes it's a master piece. And it's simple. I don't know. It is. It's deceptive. But the do-do-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- Yeah, yeah. The docking sequence? Come on, man. That movie fucked me up because I was on,

I think I left for a European tour or something right when that came out and I got it on my computer and I had little kids at that time. Dude. And so, like, I was crying. And I watched it over and over again. I think I was that, or I had that in, like, maybe Inception

or something. And there was two movies where it's like, little kid and then, True. I had a thing to get back to their family. Yeah, that movie's so good. Holy shit. I don't call all the kids

every time we finish it. Michael Kane, just like a performance of like, you know, a lifetime. Yeah. You know, fuck.

Agreed. And it's, you know, it's been on the TV in here. Dude, I've watched it five times to fuck me up every time. I got to turn my TV off.

It's brutal. Timothy Shamlott. That's right. Early role for you. Dude, he's got two minutes on the screen and he smokes every minute. But I heard a thing recently

he was bummed because there was a lot more he got cut out of some of the stuff I think he said he didn't get cut and that like that was everything he shot and he was like holy shit that was it oh that makes sense yeah he said he said you know the scene where he's crying where Matthew McCona Hay's

crying in front of the thing he's like that's like this famous clip but he's crying because he's watching him but he's nowhere in it and he was like mentioning how like that famous meme is like I'm not in it but I am like he is talking to me during the thing

oh I see I am talking when he's crying damn beautiful you have any I saw that Bob Dylan movie and became like a Jamelot fan I've been kind of I was anti sham lait I was very anti shamalat shaman is that how is it shaman salamette Adam Salon who says

Shalamay first couple years I was like all right this little fuckers burst onto the scenes and everything Dune Dune Dune is all I needed to be like I've never seen Doom. Dude, you're going to be all in.

Get out on that. You're going to be a Shalmalaniac, dude. What's the Jerusalem movie that he's in? Kingdom of Heaven, I think. No, no, the King, right? Is it the King? Yeah, with Robert Pattinson? Yeah, doing the French accent.

He's fantastic. Yeah, okay. Robert Patton's enough so much. He's doing the French accent. And Shalameh's British, whereas Shalameh's French in real life. Is he French in real life? He speaks fluent French, too. He's got that going from him, too, you little fucker.

Bastard. So did you turn up? Talk me, walk me back to the writing and recording. Any anecdotes come to mind of just mind. Did you? I think I was in, I think I was in France or something with L.S. Dunes and I think Shamaulah was doing Bob Dylan movie over there and I was like, come hang. He respond?

No. Fuck. No. Shalomele if you're watching. Shama La. Come to the next. You know he watches. Yeah.

Come to the next cohe cruise, man. You know we'll all be here. So I didn't need to run. No, no, you're very good. Tell me about maintaining your voice because I need help. What do we do? I could go down this like laundry list of shit

that I know exists. Yeah. But the reality of it is is this is just, it's rock and roll. It's rock and roll. See, that's a, that's a man with a gift of a voice who doesn't have to worry about it as much? Is that what it is?

When I stopped worrying, thing I never would like okay if I you know what I'll do the daily thing well I won't really I won't play more than three or four shows in a row just because I know my voice as I get older it's harder but I don't do like some fancy warm-ups I've been back in the day I tried stuff yeah I would go through like phases where like people would turn me on to something and I'd be like oh I'll do this thing but then the one day I don't do it I'm like I don't need that and I sing all day yeah like so I'm waking up and I'm playing it hard I'm like I'm I think that's probably...

You're practicing and exercising the muscle all day. 100%. He's more than all. 100%. You're just different. I will... You're different. I'm like naturally loud.

So like talking, I think, opens my voice up too. So, yeah, I don't know. I just don't... When I used to worry about it, I had a lot more issues. But there have been nights where I'm like, I don't think I could do it. And I'm like, I don't think I can do it. And then I take a bunch of multiblanimins.

And I do it. And I'm fine. And I think that the... The being in your head really does fuck you up. And I'm all in there, dude. Because if you're worried that you can't do it, if you're super worried that, like, then your brain thinks like,

oh, I'm gonna, I don't do this or I'm gonna hurt him. You know what I mean? Like, it'll block you from, there's a thing. So what do I do to stop worrying, Anthony? That's what I need. Practice. Shit. It's never the same, though. I know. You know? Dude, I'll be at practice, headphones on, and I'll be like, I'm literally Fergie.

Yeah. Yeah. My name is Fergie. Yes. And then I'll get to the same. the show and I'm like this is a different guy this is not will I am not whenever like if I like take weeks off and then go to a practice will I am not yeah we can move on I'm sorry as soon as you kick the rust off it's bad it's never good the first one I think part of whoever gets to be pro gets is whoever gets past that like not being perfect right

away into like you know to the part where it sounds cool to you to go out and do there's There's nothing worse than like the first show of the first tour back in Europe or something. Yes. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of rust. Yeah. And you also like, I forget how to be on stage. Yeah. If I haven't played on stage, like, if I've spent all summer playing acoustic guitar on stage and

then I have to go up and sing for a band where I'm just singing, like, I'm like, what do I do? Yeah. My arms. What do I do? Yeah. You did great on the deck. You did fantastic. Shades on.

I was very inspired. Dude, the Shades on first set was like one of my favorite thing. It's genius. Shades on. is great. You're blocking out the haters. I tried it because of that. I saw you do it.

I was like, I got to do this on the. It looked cool, too, because... But they kept falling off. Have you ever seen the Dream Walker? You know Michael Jackson thing? He's like... Moonwalker.

Much and... Yes. Eddie. Eddie. Yeah. Annie. Yeah. He, Joe Pesci plays a bad guy

who wants to take music from people. Right, yeah. And I think he wears... Captain Leo. Yeah. Dude, Captain Heel. I... Unbelievable.

Who did that video? It was like a movie. It was like a Disney thing. Michael Landau. Oh, did Michael Landau do it? I mean, not that I know. Probably. I don't know.

But Scorsese did bad, which he didn't know. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, I didn't know that. And then doesn't Michael turn into like Mecca Michael? And he like, he like shoots him? Yes. He turns into like a giant thing that like,

and takes care and then. Yeah. Fuck. So true. I had a glove. You did? My mom made me a glove. Like a Rhinestone?

Yeah, and I like, my parents would like, my brothers were in high school, so they would like have their dances where they would like go and shut my parents with chapero and I'd have to, I'd have to go because I was like six. Yeah. And like Michael Jackson would come on and I'd take up my glove and put it on and I'd start dancing. And like, I'd get people would like make a little like, like the high school kids and be like, oh look at this little free. And that's why I got the, I swear to God that that's where I was like, all right, I want to

fuck. I need to prefer. I want to, I want to dance for the people. Is there a Michael Jackson track? So Michael Jackson got me into pop music. Same. And it's a deep cut that got me in. The song's Speed Demon up from Bad.

Why do I know? Speed Demon. It sounds easy. There's a lot of cool guitar stuff on it. Dude, Quincy did not play. And Toto was the backing band. The whole backing band. I didn't know that.

It's literally Toto on everything, plus like Eddie Van Healan. That's cool. That's why Thriller's... Paul McCart. The number one. I got to one night have Sherbert with Quincy Jim. Sherber. He had Sherber, and he offered me some of his sherber, and I ate some.

It was at one of Z's concerts in, like, Vegas where, like, Quincy Jones came to hang out, and, like, he was just there with, like, his gaggle of people, and, like, he was sitting with them, and I just, like, took the opportunity to go over and be like, What up, dude? He hit my weed pen. Yeah. Damn. He was like, I think I got Raspberry Sherbert. You want some?

I'm like, yep. He gave me his card. Wow. You never called? Now, that interview he did, I think, with the New Yorker. where he talks shit on Michael and says that I did everything how do you feel about that?

I mean, I think he's the greatest producer of all time. But Elvis didn't write shit. No, no, no. I guess my question is do you believe the veracity of his... Quincey Jones, he's like the he's like the rick to life of pop music. He just talks shit. He's talking shit, taking credit for everything.

But one of them is 100% right and one of them produced bad. Yeah. I'm almost 100% sure that Michael had to have collaborated on. Oh, I mean, 100%. Yeah, I mean, there's even stuff in studio stuff where he's like humming a melody. Yeah.

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Tell me about making this. Any members that come to mind? I was terribly addicted to Xanax on this record. He's fucking Xanax. How you get it? I would order it online. I would order it from like a pharmacy, like a foreign pharmacy. So you had to pay like 300 bucks to like become part of this pharmacy to get like a one-time order and it was like it would come in a DVD case

Whoa and that was like I got to that point because I was cleaning people out that would get it It was like I couldn't get enough How many Xanax are you doing a day at this point? I would probably I don't know Need a number like a bar a bar to a day is that I see I don't know the measure? The bar I think is like It's like four of the blue ones which I believe are 2.5 I've been out of the game. We've got to keep you out of the game. Kurt Angle was in 50 days.

I'm not a war stories guy. How does that make you feel? I'm not, you know, the war stories? No, no, no, no. That Kurt Angle, professional wrestler, familiar. Okay. From PA. From Pittsburgh.

Pro wrestler. Uh, was taking in, right? 50. 65, bikin in a day. 65 vikin. Yeah, so I could see that for sure. When I would get, so I had a doctor that prescribed me to my knee, it was 10 milligrams.

And I would, yeah, I would take 10 at a time. Wow. For sure and what you're doing your liver and things where people are like you'll die if you do that You're like I was doing him and I was fine so I was like I had more I had more like guts and was like that Does that high compare to the hardest thing you can do? I'm like I like I didn't know it's like that I feel like at the time The best thing that I ever had was either like straight heroin from Philadelphia was like the best heroin was like the best heroin And we just, you could get anywhere.

We can go to California, all you'd get was tar. And you'd have to smoke twice as much. And you smoked heroin. Yeah. So you weren't, did you ever shoot up? If you don't want to do. I did. I did, but I didn't make the practice out of it.

It was like too, it was too much. The ritual is too much. And the ritual, it hits harder too. So, like, by the time I shot anything, it was like, was when fentanyl was, and so you're out. Yeah, you can't afford to be clocked out, you know, for 30 minutes wherever you were. Like it was, like it was maybe less intense of a hit, but smoking it was just more efficient for me for a while. But then that became a thing everybody could smell. So I was trying to snort it in between then, which would like not as good, but like when you're sick, you're just doing it.

And there's like this trank that is in there now. And I think at the time it was eating away. I started getting these like massive headaches toward the end like this last time. You know, it's been about in like four years, it was four years. Congrats. And my head, like I was, I had an infection that was back there from this trunk. Get constantly getting put in there and I was, my head hurt to the touch. And it didn't matter how much I smoked or snorted or did.

Like I was never not hurting from this shit that was happening. And I didn't know. And it was weeks of it. And I got put on antibiotics. for stuff and it was still hurting and I was like not telling the doctor you know and they're like seeing something's up but I'm like

sinus infection man I don't know like at some point it's just gonna hit the wrong spot and I'm gonna bleed out yeah whoa fuck really good though yeah I mean straight up congrats man yeah yeah it's for your family for yourself everything it's honestly

there's like a point in time where you like stop caring about yourself because you cycled yourself into this like you know feeling of like hopelessness meaningless but for the kids yeah for the family it's like dude they deserve you know there's like i remember a point where i was like everybody be better off without you you i don't want you know this is like too much and then hearing my conscience say fuck you you know that's not true they'd be better off if you stop being such a fucking wuss and you faced whatever you were facing and you got good you got good you know that's not true they'd be better off if you stopped being such a you got good and you were good for them.

That's what that would be better. This is a cop-out. And thank God for that. Yeah, absolutely. And how difficult is maintaining this four years later? Right now, it's great. Today is good. I take it one day at a time.

Yeah. But I got to be honest, this last time getting clean, I started doing this thing in the beginning and it was a sublacade shot. Yeah. And it was a once a month thing that was like a blocker. So even if I decided to be like, I'm going to go. I couldn't. Or I couldn't really.

It would take me so much. to override it and I'd probably die. Okay. And so that was the first time I'd ever tried anything like that and I had been on maintenance of other kind before. Is that for opiates specifically? Specifically. I think some people actually do it for alcohol too because I think they say it kills cravings.

Okay. I know there's and there's anabuse, right? Antibuse. For alcohol, if you drink on an abuse you get very sick. It's a crazy drug too. The history of that drug is really funny if you ever want to get some weird dark history. But it's really good. cool when you find the thing that works for you that puts space so that you can actually think

about what you're doing and you can actually like audit yourself be like wait a second this is I don't live like this you know what I mean and and and a lot of people don't have the resources that I've had to like get the chances and all that shit so I was like very lucky and very fortunate wow yeah so this I mean this conversation started because of me asking you about on letting go is that does this like that particularly is that what kind of defines this record for you in this time frame

honestly it sounds this sounds so bad I have to be like saying all this shit but the all letting go is heavily inspired by the second season lost that I was also watching like crazy while the others that's when we get the others that's the hatch it's pretty much all Desmond

Desmond so almost all of all lighting go is pretty much inspired by the second season lost but I was also struggling with Xanax and you got Charlie so there was lots of shit going on there and I feel like I almost hate that I told people that you could keep it in there

No dude it's unbelievable We were always like oh what's this about whatever but it's like I almost hate the people we're gonna find out about Their first songs called living together And I wanted to have a song called living together A song called Dying Alone Damn

Because it was like living you know Yeah Dude that I mean I just watched Lost again Did you? Yes and second season Because my wife had never seen it So we're watching first season I'm like

She's like, this is so good. I'm like, you don't even know yet. Yeah, right. You haven't met Desmond. Yeah. And then we get to Desmond and he's... He's the goat. He's God.

And then you get to the fucking flash forward at the end of season three. Yes. Oh, it's brutal. Oh, my God. We got to go back, Kate. That broke my life. Each episode has stuff where you could write a song. Like, you could write a song.

There's like lyrics. There's like stuff said on that show where I'm like, that's a... First thing I ever binged. Yeah, same. Yeah. Same. Circa used to watch it together. We used to all get together and watch it.

So they hear your writing a lost season two concept record and they're like, fuck, yes. At the time, if it was like super conscious or like he even said anything about it, but we were watching it all the time. We, Harmsway watched the finale together. Beautiful. Were you disappointed? Of course. At the time.

I like it now. I say I binged it, but I actually endured through the writer's strike. Me too. And then that season came and it was like, I. I got to watch this. You waited every week. Yeah, I have to wait.

Like, wait, I was swore. Somebody told me it wasn't going to be like. Yeah. Yeah. Like all weird. I was waiting for the nice little, oh yeah. Yeah. So was blue sky noise that lost season three,

season four? Blue sky noise. That's Juliet. Honestly, so we signed to a major label. Yeah. And there was this like, we were surrounded by people who are like, you're going to be the next cool player,

or you're going to be the next this, or you're going to be like, and they were kind people who like, you know, looked at music in a different way. They're like, moved, moving units type of people. Like Craig Kalman over at Atlantic Records was like the coolest dude. He was really nice to us, but it was just, I don't think we fit what they really wanted.

They had, you know, Portugal demand got signed at the same time and I think they were more interested in trying to make like weird pop music. Whereas like I didn't even know what I was doing. Like I didn't know what I was doing. I wasn't ready, I think, for what we could have done on that label. But that record was, was really hard for me to make because like I had just started having like kids and I went I we had a couple miscarriages right before that happened and I went it was my first time in a mental institution so I like during the writing of that record spent some time institutionalized I was struggling really hard with alcohol was the first time people started I had gotten

diagnosed with like like mental stuff like I had people suggesting that I was schizophrenic and then giving me drugs for that and then people suggesting that I had like all these different things that would like later become oh this is like drug-induced sort of psychosis but it was just really hard I was going from medication medication and like some things I would like be making you sick all the time other things make you with weight and other things make you wear and other than getting weight and something's make you massively depressed and your dick doesn't work and all these things it was like a really troublesome time for me and I remember Lincoln the record was cool and did great

but I was really lost. Dude, I love this record. I mean, Blue Skynois. This is where you got me. Cool. So you were on the Cohede Torch tour. Yeah. And I had, I wasn't really familiar at all. Oh God, that fucking torch is so fucking seen. This is the first time

I ever see you. Did you see me play with Torch? No, but Torch is playing and your side stage the whole time, you're next. You're not warming up, you're not stretching. That wasn't my warm up. You're violently air drumming to torch start to finish. And I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? He ruled.

And then like, unceremoniously, you just walk out and play next. I'm like, what the fuck? He's on, how is he ready to do this? When your bands that you're playing with get you hype to play? Oh, yeah, it's the best. You know, it's like when you're a little kid and you watch, like, back to the future, you go home,

you want to build a time machine. You know what I mean? Like, I love watching a band that gets me into playing. Oh, my God, it just makes the show so much. And then you open with Get Out. and my brother and I are there. We're there to see Cohe. We love Torch. I can't really open with that.

You open with that. We always play that last. It's so funny because I... Well, it just didn't. It was a single. I don't think the record was even out yet. So Taylor and I are pretty tough critics. Yeah.

And he finished that song and we're like... Sick. No way. Yeah. So you got us right there with Boos Ganoi. See, I think the reason why that record resonates a lot with people is like the whole band really got together

on making that record. Like we really came together songwriting wise like David Botchell like we did all these demos together and David Botchall who did the record like really Gathered us to be like how could this flow better? How could this you know how could your voice sound like maybe if we drop like He we really came and there's songs on that record that the band like wrote vocals for like Oh wow God called Died in the Wool that we all wrote together because I was losing my mind I was like I can't write I don't know it Everybody's gonna judge and they were like what do you need? Let's all write together, and they all took a little bit of it.

And it was like this, it was like, oh, we got you. You know? Yeah. I think that's why people like that record so much. I feel like it's like the most realized circa record. But you're being told you're going to be the next cold play. And instead, you write like an aggressive rock record instead of going mainstream K-rock, what we know is going to work in sales and units.

You make like hard, it's this hard, hard melodic music. Yeah. So that, you got me. Thank you. It's a great record. Thank you. Good shit, man. So when in your creative life do you start having kids?

Like right around blue sky noise is when like, like, the miscarriages kind of happened in the writing. And then sort of like by the time the record was like coming out and we were touring on it, like our, my first son was born. And does fatherhood kind of immediately change your approach to, to, to, to, you know. art and music and toy yeah it was really it was weird because it was the first time I'd ever realized like how much time I had wasted because you know when you have kid like all your time is like you're you know you know you're gonna make sure they're okay you know it was and so having to go from like all my life is just like taking care of myself on the center of my existence to having this thing that is like kind of eclipsing that and then you're like whoa what it's like

you don't have that luxury being like, oh, I don't really feel like it tonight. Like I'm not inspired or something. You know what I mean? Like, I had to make time to do this. And before I never did that. So it would happen sporadically. It would happen like when I was like feeling it or when I wasn't hungover or whatever. And the kids came and I had to really take time management seriously.

And it made me take the time that I had with music and not take it for granted. You know, and I realized that I could be creative at all times too. being tired doesn't mean that you can't be creative you know there's a difference between being tired and stressed yeah i i would stay up like it was the having kids was like the best thing for my creative muscle because it also taught me to play and not and relax like they bring this like you so you can't worry about certain shit like that you worry about when you have a little guy running around or a little girl running around you know what i mean like you have your worries kind of focus you can be creative for them yeah like my thinking of like oh what is this this this

the scope of who you are gets whittled into like a different like shape so you start seeing like the world like a little bit differently I think when you're like even if you like friend has kids you know I think you can see it where you're like shit and like maybe I won't take things so seriously you know what I mean that I took seriously don't matter so much you know like if this song if this thing doesn't do X Y and Z it doesn't it really doesn't it really matters is this is good you know and this guy safe and Fucking A man. And this whole time the sounds of animals fighting has been going on in the background this whole time.

Sound of Animals came to me when I was in Seyosen, asked me to do a record and Seoson, we're like, don't do it. We don't want you doing side projects and shit. And I was like, okay, and then went and did it anyway. And then when we broke up, it came out. And then the second Sound of Animals Fighting record, I'm only on two songs, but I recorded them just like 100% on so much cocaine that I'm... cocaine that could kill somebody. Wow. Like somebody from a label that was trying to, that was like hanging out, like gave me a bag of cocaine.

And that night I was supposed to go do the thing. And I just had a friend with me and I just, it was bad. And then I got really mad at the guy who like, is the head of the project for like being like, dude, Anthony did these songs on cocaine. It was so crazy. And I was like, don't know anybody.

I don't want anybody to know. I don't want anybody to know. I'm on drugs. Like anyone, everybody knows I'm on drugs. But those songs were awesome. But when I hear that, I think about, I hear cocaine in my throat.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Are you still playing shows? Yeah, we just did like two weeks, two weeks. We did like a, we put out a record this year. We just put out a record that was like we wrote while Dunes was like in Europe.

Like they sent me some music. It's the RX Bandits guys and a couple other dudes. My friend Keith who produces all my stuff is in the band now. And we're just like a fun pro. I get to do some people. You do, man. You really do. Just like, oh, we get to do it for fun.

You don't it does come out. It does stream. It does get sold, but it's like not you're not like taint. It's not like you're making it because that's like you let's go do this fucking fun thing. And then it's like yeah, it is a becomes this product. But it's not like born out of this need to put like a product out there. It's more like let's make something. Let's make. So many of my projects are like you're the make stuff. Yeah. Very lucky. Yeah. Yeah. Whether it's a. You at the creek singing a turntice style song or or making a new record. Yeah. That's my. I. I. I. I. When I'm home, like, so, like, social media is such a tricky thing, and you're good at it. And not everybody is good at it, like, naturally goad at it. And it sucks. It's hard to, it sucks. Honestly, yo, but, like, somebody explained it to me once, like, really smart person, like, years ago when they were like, you have, like, you have, like, your own TV, you know, like, music TV station, your own radio station all right here, like, make it whatever you want. So rather than feeling like you have to, like, do a trending thing or whatever, like, just. I was like, what do I want to do on here?

Like, I'll just play some... I like music, a cover song once in a while, play my own songs. The Creek is just like a place I go. I do go play there. So it's like, I go there to play. It's cool. It's a cool spot.

It connects to the creek that is on the house that Circa used to live on. We had a song called Frozen Creek, and it is, it is the Creek. That is... Wow. Hard more. More.

Brooklyn Creek, I did meet Miss Murder there once. You did? She's real, man. I was told not to talk about it. God damn. know she's real. Can you tell me about making out with David Havoc? He'd really do that? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it was beautiful. He just was feeling it, right? It was within meeting him for like two hours. Wow. Wow. It was for an alleged book.

It was for an alleged book. There was pictures that you've yet to see. I haven't yet to see it. Okay. So at this, at the time of recording, it was just a beautiful moment. It was just a beautiful moment. And honestly, it was like, um, this is one of my favorite experiences. He's pretty cool guy. She just transcends time and space That's an entity And just like to be blessed by him in that way I think honestly it gave me It made me feel like limitless

Like Bradley Cooper We feel that way now Yeah Just having had a four hour conversation Yeah no kissing I'm still recovering Like the ripple effect from the kiss from David I'm not sure I think that brought us here

Yeah Oh wow I'm not sure I could have got clean I'm not sure we would have met each other All this kiss gravity Davy sort of is a is a spiritual He left some straight edge in you. Yeah.

It's in there. When I said my conscience earlier, it was his voice. Okay. I'll take your rape when we leave and we'll move. We'll keep it going. Sirka put out two more records and has since gone on hiatus. Would you call it a hiatus? No.

Feel free to answer or not answer. I thought it. Yeah, I think hiatus was like thrust it upon us. But like it's hard to talk about all that. stuff just because like Circa it was wasn't just like a band for me like so we were like

we were a family you know what I mean and when that shit went down talk about things I wish it would have done different you know when all that shit went down it was like you know such a heartbreaking thing you know we I never imagined

it going away the way the way it went and no one of them I don't know that I don't even know the context I didn't know the story. We had a tour for this, this, you know, for Blue Sky Noise. It was like our 10-year anniversary tour. It was a third 10-year anniversary tour, and it was postponed by the pandemic, like crazy. And we postponed it and postponed it, and I relapsed right before.

And had to go to treatment. And it was like a really stressful time for the band. And this is like their, all their life is doing this band. And all their life is having to deal with me, sometimes being accountable, sometimes being not. And I think it got to the point where it was so difficult and I was so far gone that I think for them the best thing was for me just to get help

and to focus on that. And they didn't really, you know, nobody really knew what to do. And it was, there was, darkness descended. And, you know, like I guess I don't like war stories I'm not that kind of guy

you know Circa Survivor is like the best thing they never happen to me and I love it more than anything and I'm you know I always want to celebrate it and I always will and you know it's a weird situation

because you know what I want more than anything is for us all just to be friends with each other and regardless of no matter what like that all that stuff like that means to other people too like all that stuff like I just you know and we've all kind of come together oh you know and you know all of us but I've you know since then I've you know I've been talking to everybody you know Nick the bass player came out to see me in California and I and Colin and Brendan and I have spent time together and and you know we've all been talking a little

bit and that's just to me that's everything yeah I don't know if the band is ever going to do anything ever again. You know what I mean? Like I, and even if it did it like wouldn't be the same. It just wouldn't mean people want you sometimes it's hard, you know, because you want to get people what they want. You want to do stuff like that, but it's like not it. The expense of everyone in the home. I'm the people pleaser. So like I always want to give people what they want. And part of me feels like I don't even deserve to be here unless I'm doing what people want of me. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. And so like it's tough. But like, I don't want to put anybody in a bad situation, you know? Like I just want to honor what everybody

needs in their life and just being able to be friends with those people and have them in my life in any way is like really special that's that'll be able to send them messages like remember that and you know um you know Brendan and I saw each other at Incen Dagger we're at the Pit and Incan Dagger and Philly and like it feels good to to be to be able to celebrate that again and I I love I'm it should be celebrating you know what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah yeah Um, I'm, I'm always down. Okay. Always down, always ready.

You heard it here. Here's a little switch up for you. What is Mastradamus? Okay. That's cool. No one never asked me about Mastradamus. It's like my favorite thing. Tell me.

It was like a thing I wanted to call band, like, back in high school. I wanted to call band Moshvedamus in high school. I was like, I thought it was going to be like the coolest thing. Yeah. And then at one point, I wanted to be like a heavy band but then at one point I was like wouldn't it be funny if like I made a band that was kind of like like dashboardy like orally dashed acoustic or like saves the day acoustic it was called Bostradamus.

And then it just stayed with me forever and when somebody was like hey what do you want to call your publishing company or like your checks get made out to I was like let's see that. Wow. And then there's a buddy of mine who I've written some songs with in New Jersey who's like a does like a lot of like electronic music. I believe his name is Death Barrier. I think that's what he goes by now. But we wrote some like electro-pop songs, and we were going to call it Mastradamus. So it's like this thing.

Mastradamus lives among us in always. Yeah, something is going to happen with Mastradamus. What does he forecasting? Spin kick. I need to develop this character. Dude, that would be, that should be like Moshranamus would predict. Like title fight. Yeah, right.

Yeah, right. Yeah, 20228. Okay. No, no, yeah, what does Mastradams predict? I think that's pretty good. They were never actually breaking up. I mean, Mastradamus nailed that one. Just played with him.

How was that? This is good. Legends, absolutely incredible. Like, all due respect, my first tours were with Bain. objectively hilarious that any band with a ceremonious breakup plays after that. But I also,

the landscape of music has changed so much, so fast in their breakup that I understand that it's like, we just want to fucking play. Dude, it's been my dream ever since a young musician to have a band that breaks up and then gets back together together together than we start. Well. You know what I'm saying?

Okay, I get it. That's not, that's why it's not a hiatus. I was told that you never announced the winner of the Little Tony contest on MySpace? What's the little Tony? I don't know. It was a contest that you came up with.

Oh, God. And you never announced a winner. See, that was my young legs there. I'm trying to, like, get my feet on the internet. I don't know what I'm doing. I think, oh, I think I gave people, like, a cutout with, like, my face on it. And I was, like, put it place.

I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just trying to get able to engage. Do you want to announce a winner now? That might have been, you win. You're the little Tony. Wow. Unbelievable. Thank you so much.

Unreal. That's, like, something somebody came to me with and I was like yeah whatever I see sure when you when you look back at your life now as a musician father who are would you say are like the key figures that kind of got you here that we maybe haven't talked about yet just put some light on on the guys that don't get that shine or gals hmm like when I look back yeah it's a good question there's lots yeah there's lots I mean a list is like like kind of crazy.

And you've said a lot. Yeah, you've said a lot. When I think about Vince Raddy, think about, you know, there's a guy named, there's a guy that ran a label

from PA named, called Pete Buckley, and he had a record label called Break Even that put out the first audience of one record. I never paid him for it ever. And I think he,

we actually evened out because I think he, that streams and sells, and I don't know who gets anything from the audience one stuff. We're actually, audience of one dudes just started talking in,

group chat and we're like I don't know why I don't know anybody care about we I mean me and the drummer and Tommy the bass player me and jade we were like we're like gonna make new music okay whoa we're gonna break I don't know what it's gonna be like but it's gonna be we're is it audience of one okay oh wow it's gonna be it's gonna be we're gonna make an audience one like and do something just because we're like why not why not like who cares uh there's like like an EP that we never put out that we're like I don't have any master like I don't know I think it only exists online, so we're going to have to figure out how to rip it and then, like, mix it off that. It can be done.

When I look back, my brother, Mike, honestly, was, like, such a huge supporter of me. And would it come to my parents, like, when I dyed my hair when I was a kid and be like, give him a break. Take it easy. He looks dope. Take it easy. Yeah. Take easy. Yeah.

Take it easy. I mean, like, take it easy. Have your parents seen the Dune's necktack? Yeah. Yeah. My dad will still, like, my dad's getting older. But he'll still look at me and he'll be like, is that a new one? He'll be like, was this a new one? Dude, every time.

He hated tattoos. He hated them. My dad did too. That's why I got. I think that's what I got. Yeah. I was like, every time I see my show. Oh, I see, I'm, I'm, when my dad is like, I hate that tattoo, I'm like, Dad, I'm so sorry. You know? I don't want to disappoint him.

There's no, I'll rebel against my mom all day. But dad, dad, I don't want to disappoint him. to disappoint them. I was like trying to. Recently when my dad, my dad was in the hospital, and I had to go, I picked up my mom, and I was giving her a ride over there. And as I was, she lived, like, they sold their house that they lived at and, like, outside in the burbs, and they live kind of near us. And so I picked her up and I was driving through this old area where I used to, like,

where we used to live. And I was showing her all that. I was like, I got, that was where I got my DUI. That's where I, this house over here. I ran from the cops. I lived in the bush. I was, like, giving her the tour of all this stuff. I was like, taking her on the tree.

tour of all this stuff in Bucks County I was like this is where we used to get fucked up I had a drug the a year lived here that's where this one accident happened it was like it was pretty good so we can laugh about it me we can laugh at it now yeah right yeah tell me about L.S. Jones how has this been this thing fucking second best thing ever happened to me in my life saved my life Circa was had broken up yeah and I was still I still was struggling in past lives a little bit when that record came out I was like kind of up and down I got clean for a little bit and I'd you know I was back and forth and it was and those guys were just like

ultimate support network never even when they knew I wasn't being honest with him they were like we got you when you're ready to tell us the truth we're here for you the circuit guys no or the dudes I think oh I didn't and not for nothing not saying anything about circuit I think I had put them through Circa was like that in the beginning and then the second, third, four, fifth, six, seven time there came a time with the circuit eyes

for their own self-preservation where they needed to be like, I'm sorry, I can't feel... Fifteen years later. I can't be doing this anymore and we needed space, you know? And so I feel like Dune's like

didn't have a whole lifetime of me having to deal with that. So they, you know, they were a little... They kind of worked with me through that. And that band was just like... Being in Circa, I felt like a lot of pressure as like the front guy. And then going to Dunes, like I was still the front man, like lead singer guy, but I wasn't, like there wasn't a front man for that band.

Everybody's looking at everybody. Like Tucker writes hooks, Travis Tim, right? The greatest shit. Frank is like the big, one of the biggest rock stars of our time. You know what I mean? And so like, and he and the other thing was they like everything I sent them they liked. They were like, this is fucking great. Like, then everything they sent me.

was like easy to sing over. And so during the pandemic, Circa's relationship was splintering a little bit. So we weren't writing as much music. And I was home doing nothing. And they were just singing these songs every day. It was like a love affair. Yeah. And I just, I fell in love with them.

We all fell in love with doing this band. And we didn't really have an idea that it was going to ever play a show or ever do, like, or ever do anything. But it came when you needed it. Yeah. And it turned into more than you all expected to be. Yeah. I kind of had the time because of Circa.

not being a thing anymore where I can, you know, really go full, full on into it. And it was, it's still a dream. Honestly, I still can't believe I get to be in that band. It's crazy for me. Like, to get to be in the band with those guys. And I've, as long before I even knew Tucker, dude, funny thing about Tucker, I punished Tucker at a warp tour that I went at with, to go see fucking the mighty, mighty boss with my girlfriend.

I was watching Thursday from the side stage, and I knew of them, because I were friends with the this day four guys but I wasn't like queens sis with them and I went over to Tucker to be like do you know the open hand guys because I might go out in California and join the guy asked me to join like the guy like Bo and Zach were guys from were guys from Seuss and were in open hand or like we're filling in for them before they started it and so I was like that was my excuse to go talk to them okay tell me about open hand like you know you know my buddies like should I go out there and Tucker was like so nice to me oh cool he was so he was

like gave me the time of day and he was packing up which now which I know it was like the worst time for a drummer I have to deal with that day. Just dripping sweat all over himself. All the rest of your band is doing whatever you're doing work and he was so kind of me and so nice to me and was like do it dude. Does he remember that interaction? I don't think so

but I think he's just a kind hearted person you know what I mean like uh I think you know he's heard me tell that story before but um God I got fucking he's awesome yeah I got lost I can remember word I'm talking about dudes way what was what was So when you finally got together, did you...

First time we ever practice was at Frank's basement. They sent me... Tucker was like, hey, will you want to sing this project I have with some of my friends? And I was like, you're sure, he sent me two or three songs. And it was during the pandemic, so I was home. And I think I sang on that night. And it was a couple of songs from past lives. And I sent them back to him.

And he was like, hey, do you want to... Can you get on a call in like a couple minutes? And I was like, yeah, sure. And he was on the call with Frank and Travis and Tim. He was like, hey, we want to... And I thought it was like him and his friends from the neighborhood. Yeah. I didn't know it was like those guys.

And, you know, we've toured together throughout the years. And, like, I've, like, gotten to know them. But, like, this was like, I never felt so, like, honored, accepted, like, cared for, like, wanted, like, needed to know. Like, I, it, like, I still am feeling the actual residuals of the. the hit that I got from them wanting me to sing for their band. Like, it's one of the coolest honors. We're sitting here right now. Yeah, right.

Yeah. It's awesome. You know, like getting to play with them, getting to write with them. You know, like, and they don't, the coolest thing about, I think, the band is like, none of the guys, like, they get to, it's all out of a, it's a passion project. Yeah, right. None of them need it. So it's like, wherever their creative juices are, like, getting, like, you know, built up, they get to kind of, you know, you know unleash whatever they want and it's such a fun project we're writing stuff right now

which is really cool and getting back into like the cycle of just sending stuff to each other like frank's going to be busy everybody's busy but like when we get into a writing mode it's like a fun thing cool so the black parade continues obviously but you but there's more to come there's more there's like you know I think it's it's probably going to look a little different like all of us or too old to tour how we did on this record. And I don't think any of us want to go out on like six week tours anymore. But like we...

And you don't have to. Right, it's not necessary. We did any... You need five-day cruises now. I would just, I would love to see that band be a thing where like whenever it happens, it's just not stressful for anybody. Because I know how stressful Frank and Tucker and Tim

and Travis like normal day jobs can be the thing that has to pay their bills, the stuff that they do. never want this project to take them away from their family or add to any of the stress that is already you know I like being the singer that just says yes fuck yeah did you record with will yip yeah did you record in contra hockey yeah so the second record we recorded all together the first record it was like they recorded a bunch of parts in different places and and will like frankenstein i did all the vocals there yeah but this time will and i got to like chill before the band even

got there and like we kind of moved some stuff around did you eat at great american pub every every single day every day yeah that i have i have a meal that i get there tell me about the meal so what is it salad it's like it's a salad with avocado it's basically will what wills what wills get yeah avocado egg and it's i get but i get extra egg i got like three or four eggs yeah yeah they have they have the eggs i have all this stuff that i hear i hear that all you need is a little vitamin c and then you got you're good to go harb's way did our last record, like right in the wake of that. Okay.

So Will was talking about it at the time. It was just fun to, I'm tying that in now and realizing that that was the same time. It was that, Sal. That guy. What's your favorite? What's your favorite? It was the common suffering. It came out late 2023.

Okay, cool. Very cool. What's your favorite fret? Honestly, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, okay, where I said? It's 12. 11. Oh, dude. 11?

it's kind of going if you're doing open going so that's me that's why I like so this is 11 on the E that would be 6 on the A which is that's my favorite 6 yeah right above 5 oh wow you're right I live up here like as like you're like up here

but like right down there there's there's a few songs like there's like audience of one songs that are like there's a song called show your teeth there's an audience one song where it's that this discord that 11 where it's like you know 12 is in the middle and it's this really pretty core yeah and it's like in it's like on every record I've ever done

that's much like the evermore ever more ever long ever long so that it's in a drop but that is just like a pretty open chord that he took from my bloody valentine that was just in everything yes and that's cool that very very similar That's cool. My kid, my oldest, my 15-year-old just did like a shoegaze night and his like a record thing where he takes drums. And he played the, my bloody Valentine song. Sick.

Fuck yeah. And, wow. So your kids like cool shit. They love awesome shit. They love cooler shit than I am. How old is that? Or 15, 13. There's too many.

There's an eight in there somewhere. There might be a 10 or 11 in there. but how many musicians they they all can play wow they all can play but I'm like I'm a freak I love music too much and so I don't want to be the guy that spoils it

for them you know or bombards them in a way that's like so it's like yeah I want you know they're they're snowboarders they're skaters they're good at everything dude they're they blow my mind

the two youngest are like they're all good at sports they all love sports Like, they're good at everything, and they're cool people. People think because you have kids that you like kids. I really don't like kids. No, be like your kids. My kids are cool. Fuck, dude.

Well, I'm just saying, I'm not trying to talk shit. They just, they're really, they make being a dad very easy for me. That's a great answer. It's a good kid. I'm not a great dad. I can't be like, I'm not like a, I'm not like good at being like, you can't do this or you. Like, there's boundaries you need to have for things, but like, sorry. But I just think you've been so open about your struggles your whole life that it's like,

I think that's part of the openness. Yeah. And I think we have a good relationship because I'm not like, I'm not trying to control them. I want them to make the best decision, but I'll be there for them regardless of what road they take. You know what I mean? But I'm not going to bully them into where I think is the best thing for them because sometimes the best thing for you is to fuck up. Yeah. You know what I mean?

We only learn from failure. Yeah. It's scary to be in a world. were like, you know, I was doing weird drugs at their age that if they were to do that shit now could kill them. Yeah, right. So, like, I never wanted to have that mentality of like, yeah, you, you know, like complete abstinence. But, like, I can't avoid that now. Like, you know.

But fentanyl now is, is not what it was, you know? Well, like, it's crazy because when I was first getting fucked up, they really didn't hear about fentanyl. And then I got clean and I was clean for like five or six years. And when I came back, it was just fentanyl. Yeah. So it was like, you know, at the end of my time, blastin, I went to rehab when I did a urine test, there was no, like, fentanyl doesn't come up like heroin.

It metabolizes differently. So it confused people in the beginning when they would, like, people would be dead. Maybe like there's no dihydramorphine in their system. It's like, because it reads different, synthetic. And now it's like the number one cause of death in adults? It's so terrible. I honestly, I wish we had like better leadership

that would like be able to help people like, Because it's such a it's such a cyclical thing it eats at your mental thing so you don't feel like you can get better ever It's like the way we handle addiction in this fucking country is really Even the way it's it's it's it's really tough I think it would be the whole reason why I feel like it I I try to be more open about it and like try to fight the Like backwash of shame that comes up when I start talking about it you know like because I think it is important for people that have gone through it to be like There's hope that you give a little hope and

strength for people who need it. You know what I mean? Because there is a different way of life. You don't have to look like that. It's terribly lonely and dreadful for people who are sick and suffering from it. Yeah. I admire people that have had the strength in their life to be like, you know, I'm going to confront all of my pain and suffering in this, like, like, way where I'm dealing with it. And, you know, I feel lucky to be getting, to have those tools back in my life.

We feel the same. we say the same thing that like an addict who becomes straight edge is like I have the more respect and that's more difficult than us deciding to abstain without ever going down that somebody who's like in recovery a lot of happy like there's a lot of miserable people too in the world but like a lot of happy people because you have this like perspective of like what life was like they know what dark is I remember watching people like just at wahwa like going into while like I'd be in the parking lot of while like all fucked up like waiting for somebody or doing something I'd see some random person on the street and I would think like I would do anything to switch with whatever

this person's worried about right now then have to fucking keep this shit up like just constant wanting to die being okay like you might die yeah it wouldn't be you know worst thing ever so when it part of the message is like there's a different way of life for people if they want it and I like whatever it took to get through that was worth it if it if it if you're got purpose you give it meaning yeah 100% you give it meaning by by showing up now the best that you can to show people you know like there's a different way of life if you want something else yeah well we appreciate your openness and I'll see about that and they will too for sure so thank you for that this has been unbelievable yeah I love I'm so stoked to get to be on here it was very cool we're we're stoked to have you yeah let's do it more let's do more I'm know you should make a maestrodomas character it's Master Damos is something. Maybe we'll get Monster Damos to China every week. I almost got to be in that guy.

You know the guy with the mustache who does like hardcore, he comes out of like hardcore retirement? He like, he plays pretends. Oh, Stan. Yeah, yeah. That guy is, he's awesome. He's awesome. Very funny, yeah.

I almost got to be in like a little movie he was making. Oh, yeah, yeah, the mushroom. Yeah, I was going to be like, I was going to be like the judge. That would have been a good debut for Mastradamus. Right? You know the Chappelle's good. Is it black nostrodomous? What's the character's day?

Yeah, it's that, but... But it's something else. But, like, doing that where it's like, the China symbol will no longer symbolize... Cornyness. You know. Right, I know, it's the best. Let's go.

Soulfly. Come on now. Yeah, I agree. Soulfly? Soulfly. Huge fan of the first record. Yeah. I mean, that's, like, when I was growing up, like, stuff like that,

you know, like, hate breed. like that was the heaviest thing I'd ever heard at the time. The heaviest thing before that was like corn. Yeah. So it was like getting opened up. But at what cost, you know? Let's wind it down here a little bit. Let's talk about a few things that we'd like to talk about with every guest here.

Important stuff. Food. Oh, yeah. You brought a suitcase full of noodles on this cruise. Did you? Yeah. Are you a meat eater? I don't.

I don't eat meat. Okay. I did eat fish this last, like for the first time in like 12 years. This last, just to try it. They don't have any feet. I don't think they feel anything. They forget. They know nothing.

They're not there. So what's your place of choice? Like if you're on a long tour and you guys stop somewhere to eat, what are you really excited to have? I mean, I love eating good food. And like I respond just like everybody to do like a good he'll meal. But I'm also like a piece of shit. Well, like I love a Twinkie. Oh.

I like a Sonic Breakfast Burrito. Oh, man, that's dark. I love a Sonic Breakfast Burrito. I like get a grill cheese from in and out. I'm like a piece of shit. I also eat like once every two days. I'm on tour. Yeah, you're slender.

You're not one of us. Slender me or not us. Here's the thing is so I'm, I like won't eat for a long time. And then when I do, I eat like a pro eater who's like eating like I'll eat three entrees. Bench, yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. It's called binge eating disorder.

I have it as well. It's crazy. I was a fat kid. I had, I had. Really? Really. I know. And I like it.

It sounds funny. to say but I suffered from eating disorders as a young man we all have to eat disorder I made myself throw up I starved myself I was a fat kid I just wanted I normally can spot another fellow fat fuck and honestly you're just such a slender handsome guy

that I was like this guy's never had a fat I probably have some issues we were like are you intermittent fasting and I'm like no I just like pain I gotta get on on pain I gotta try pain next well so what's your spot though what's number one where are you pulling off the highway for

Maybe the whole man, let's say, let's say... I don't know, because it's all different. Like, because, like, some people are weird with stuff, but, like, there's been time with Dunes. Dunes, we've had a couple dinners at Olive Garden. Beautiful. P.F. Chang's. Oh. Peter Changs, we call it.

No problem. Peter F. Changes, we call it. And things like that where it's like, oh, you know, you go to a... I know where everybody can eat or whatever. Yeah. Am I lonesome? I really like getting to a place and walking around and find like a little coffee shop. Yeah. Like finding the lay of the land or whatever. But I'm a total piece of shit when it comes to eating. Like I'll eat whatever. I love Sonic breakfast for you.

That is crazy. Like with like you and on the app. Yeah. You can get you got the Sonic app. You got to get no meat and you can add dice on you. You Anthony Green has the Sonic app. Man, you know, I'm living my life here. Dude, you're living the best. I'm having a second chance in my life. I'm doing it right. You got the app. I'm doing it right. Yeah, you're going to get your rewards this time around. Like, when I'm door dashing, like, Taco Bell is like a number one thing. 2 a.m., one, 2 a.m.?

I'm surprised because normally, if somebody doesn't eat meat, that's the answer to just Taco Bell. But the Sonic breakfast breakfast breakfast breakfast. I'm surprised to hear it, but I'm pleasantly surprised here. I love Sonic. It's tough. There are certain places like I love the Chicago Diner. You know, Chicago Diner's like, you've been to Handelbar? I think so.

This is a PSA to all vegan, vegetarian, meat eaters, anybody. Chicago Diner's great. I get it. Totally understand. But this place is... Gotta check out a handlebar. I'm pretty sure. My memory is kind of getting... I'm scrambled. Sure. We started. We're booking.

It's on North Avenue. It's near the subterranean, if you would ever be in, like, the Wicker Park area. It's fantastic. I stayed in Chicago for two weeks when we were doing this tour with Laura Jane Grace and Tim Casher from Curseve. And I lived there, like, rehearsed with them. And we were at this studio that was real close to Chicago Music Exchange and living not super far away and it was awesome. It was the dead of winter.

And all we did, we were learning, we were learning each other's songs. And I had just gotten clean and Circa was like just breaking up. And I was like not sure what was going on. And this tour was very much like Laura and Tim kind of like taking me under their way. Oh, beautiful. Trying to make sure I didn't die. Wow. We all need that.

I seized out on Laura one day in Asbury Park. Like we were getting breakfast and I don't remember what it was going on. I was on medication for night terrors. It was like really messing me up. And I hadn't slept all night, which is really bad for, like my bipolar kicks in without sleep. Like if I don't go, if I don't get, like, if a too long goes without sleep, like I can get romantic. And I just like, like, we were getting coffee and then all of a sudden I looked up and I was like looking at everybody. And she was out, she was like, the cops are coming.

And I was like, we gotta get out of here. And then I was like, don't tell anybody that happened. She was like, okay, sure. And then she told her to our manager. Haley came in two minutes later and was like, what the fuck happened? The great Haley. I have really put a lot of the people who care about me through a lot.

So it's like very cool to be here. And I feel like I want to do good for them. I want to show up for people and not have them worry. I want to be dependable and I want to be like, you know, I want to put music back at the forefront of everything. You know, I feel like the last four years has really been like trying to refocus everything. To give art music, like to put it at the center and to really try to make you there. Do you feel like you're there?

I really do. You got to figure, too, there's a reason why so many people have been such a good support network for you. Yeah. Because they see through that. It sings to your character. Yeah. They see the guy. Sings.

Yeah. Part of me always worries that, it's like always worry. that somebody's just being nice to me because they want something. Of course. They're just being nice or because of that. And I constantly am going through that where it's like imposter syndrome where it's like, oh, these guys, you know. And this is the corneous thing I'm ever going to say.

But like that self-acceptance has been the craziest piece for me. To be like, we'll learn that like, no, do you mean? Like, you know, the same way you look at anybody else, you got to give that back to yourself. There's no reason why I give you guys this consideration, this care in this admiration you don't you don't do that to yourself you can't be true you can't be really true with love and acceptance with other people if you aren't gonna be at one with your shadow one with who you are wow and that took for that once honestly that's the reason why i'm doing okay with the the heroin

stuff now is because that stuff finally got really confronted where it was like the self-hatred the all this really negative feeling stuff where it really got to the bottom of it and once that's good like you're doing real bad like their fentanyl is bad yeah i'm not going to say it's not bad but you just have a it's also there for helping people i had a really bad relationship with myself so i was just in this terrible cycle and now that i'm free of that like my obsession for drugs and alcohol has been like it's been lifted tremendously where like i think more about like getting two pizzas and a thing of ice cream going bathroom by you're soft than i would about ever doing dope you know what i I mean.

Beautiful. And if you ever want to get two pizzas and a buck of ice cream. You'll meet you in the dark. You know you can get in the dark. We'll be there. And honestly, like, people say you can't get clean for your kids, wherever. My kids are the fucking number one reason why I'm fucking here today. I don't understand why people say that.

No. Because when I didn't give a shit about myself, I was like, these guys care about me. These guys need me. Yeah. And I care about them. So I might as well give it a shot. If I'm going to go out anyway, I might as well give it a shot. I can't really think of a better reason to be honest.

100% so and they're the coolest fucking they're the coolest fucking humans i hope to meet them yeah i can't wait to hear the music that they make it's important oh you want to hear something crazy dude yeah my my son jack who's eight sent me this while i'm on the cruise okay eight eight eight eight kids eight making voice memo hc let me see this is going to be great and he says and he says look at this is what he says he goes can you add to that dad act can you add to this oh Hold it to your mic. It's just, it's, I think this, oh wait, hold on. This one's just a drumbeat. This is the one he asked me to add to. It's so weird. This is awesome.

And the intro's really long and then it's like, he's eight. That's, I just, I'm gonna be nine. He's gonna be nine November 16. That's my birthday. No way, dude. That's my Jack. Congratulations.

My younger brother's name is Jack. It's all coming together. Look at this. Jack. So you'll be home in time. Yeah. I had to miss two birthdays this year, which sucks. Your kids don't fuck if you're in a band or punk.

Or people think you're cool. With the birthday, they're not there. They just want you there. Yeah. Now, in all your days and in all your ups and downs. You ever see a ghost? Yeah. Yeah.

There we go. Yeah, I've had a few apparition experiences. Talk to me. The house that I lived in in Bucks County, somebody took their life in the house. Did they tell you when you moved in? My brothers and stuff would tell me. And it was where our garage is, I guess.

And so I would always hear stuff in there. And I would always hear things, like, things where I was like, and the house itself would just, you'd hear people in the hallway, you'd hear things moving around and there'd be nobody there. There was a time my dad took me to Ireland. He would go to Ireland once a year just to tie one on. Like after he, he was like a, you know, that was how he dealt with his drinking. He would just kind of like condense it to certain times of the year in certain places.

And when I was like 12 or 13, I was listening to Holes live through this, like the whole time that I was out there for some reason too. And there was stuff in the hallway. Like I kept hearing it. We lit like the apartment that we were staying, I was above a bar. It was like a, they had a bar that like turned into like a little inn and he would just be down there and I was by myself. So I was like hearing stuff that I thought was the bar. and I kept going out to look because I kept feeling like there was something boom boom boom on the door and I'm sitting in there and I'm hearing stuff and I'm going to the door and I'm getting really scared and I get up go to the bathroom and I'm in the bathroom and I'm feeling like there my dad's either in the room or like somebody walked in and I turn around and be like oh is the door opening are you in the room like are you in here and there's just like shit that's that I'm just like that's you're There's like a shadow person.

There's like a shadow person like in the room. And it's, it just scared the fucking shit out of you. And you've never forgotten? Yeah, I never. And I closed the bathroom door and was in the bathroom for a while before I came out. And it was gone. And I suffered from sleep paralysis a whole bunch growing up. So like I would see the hag.

The hat. I would see a, I would see a woman. I would see like a witch or like a, or like a big animal thing. Yeah. I've seen something there. and I get the bang. You get the bang? The bang is crazy.

I can remember being in second grade and being in the nurse's office and having it and not being able to move and just like, it was crazy. It's the weirdest thing. It happened to me a lot growing up. It's definitive proof. Go surreal. Yeah.

And with that, we have just one more question. Yeah. Could you tell us your four favorite hardcore records of all time? Okay. So functioning on impatience, coalesce. Respect. In response, this day forward.

I love Henry Rollins, but I also, like, everything, like, I loved weight, like, and that was huge, but also, like, I loved, like, S-O-A. And, like, when I got into all that, like, it's hard to, like, I never, I love Black Flag, but it was also, like, I couldn't really follow all of it, you know? Yeah, it's a lot. I would say like the minor threat you know the discog all of it together do I have maybe teen idols

or bad brains which record uh fuck the yellow one the bad brains one the one with the fucking was that what was that record called it was the self-title because it was just a cassette at first yeah it was and how many songs were on it

12 yeah Yeah, I think it's, I think it's sometimes called band in DC. The Roar, Roar tape, right? R-O-I-R tape. But also, like, because a lot of those bands that, like, I would listen to, like, didn't have records. I was, like, I don't know a couple bastards around, like, a record. I just put out, like, seven inches, seven inches, singles and whatever. That's so cool.

But I also, like, never really, like, it wasn't, like, when I got, when I loved that shit, I think a part of it was just, like, oh, I just loved everything about the way this music felt. But when I would, I remember, like, hearing, like, Like I remember hearing like sunny deep real estate and being like what the fuck is this or like embrace Yeah, and being like this is my this is my this is my this is me now Yeah, this is my threat. That embrace record was cool. I guess that's not really a hardcore yeah but it I guess I'm gonna pick haven and I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Jupiter instead of

You know one of the metal core records because I still think that it's a hardcore record and I think that It's like what they I don't know I guess it's not really. It's the one people all got lost. I love it. Those are Corman. Yeah, it counts. It is what it is.

Because when they were on that record, they would still rip into the old ones. Yeah. For sure. They still hit you a judder not. Kid Kilowat. No. Like it was Steve Brodsky sang for like this project called Kid Kilow.

I remember who else was in there. They have a song called Vicycle song that I remember listening to over and over again. It was like really heavy, but had like a, almost like a singing chorus. But like it, wow, it was so. I'm a fan of the whole Brodsky version. Go check out bicycle song by Kid Kill a lot. Oh my god. I think you're gonna like it.

I can't wait. I think you're on that note. Did I give you four? You gave me six, I think. Do you consider Frodo? I mean, hardcore band? I don't know what that is. I've never considered it.

It was like a three-piece heavier band. I know Frodo. Frodo. You know, I don't know all about Proto. Do you listen to 400 years? Yeah. Four hundred years was a great band. I can't remember what the record was called.

I was like getting any transmission. I can't remember things. That was my memory still. You've been through a lot. You're still doing very well regardless. Anthony, we can't thank you enough for joining us today. It's been unbelievable. I love talking about music.

I love you too so much. We love you so much. Paying attention to my bands and shit. Oh my God, kidding me, dude? Yeah. Let's get old together. Let's do it. I love that idea.

We're going to get old together. You're going to get old with us. Let's start a band. Done. You heard it here. Mastradamus. I'll play drums. Mastradmas.

Don, dude. Moshrenaurus is going to. I'm down. I'm down. It is. Thank you all for watching. you all for listening. Ellis Dune's new record out now.

Anthony Green, new record out every couple weeks. I'm working on some shit. There's some shit happening. He's always got stuff. Check out anything he's doing at any time because it's going to be great. Thank you. Thank you all. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.