HardLore - BIG BOY: Real Bay S***

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

After releasing their 4th EP ("Love Songs") in 6 years via Daze, Brandon joins us to talk about the origin of the band, RBS, his preference for music made after 2008, the SPLASH ZONE, the unexpected growth of Big Boy/what it means for the future of the band and much much more.We had a blast getting inside the mind of one of the most naturally charismatic frontmen in hardcore today. Enjoy.Edited by Steven Grise (@iamoneonenineseven) • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf (@marzluf)HardLore: A Knotfest Series Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepodJoin the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links:HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.comTry AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1.Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ FOLLOW BIG BOY:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bigboyrealbayshit FOLLOW HARDLORE:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepodSPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrpAPPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe00:00:00 - Hello Welcome00:00:57 - Introduction00:02:27 - RBS Fest00:04:32 - Finding Punk and Hardcore00:09:23 - Eureka Coffee/Pivotal Shows00:11:15 - CDC at the Workshop00:13:01 - Controversial favorite bands00:17:53 - Breaking Down in King City00:19:50 - Straight Edge00:22:17 - Teri Tuesdays00:25:09 - THE SPLASH ZONE00:29:21 - First Band00:33:55 - Formation of Big Boy00:48:11 - Demo and Covid00:51:52 - The Bay Taking Over00:55:09 - The Spring Promo00:57:09 - First Proper Tour00:58:34 - First Big Reaction For Big Boy01:02:22 - Tour Incidents01:06:58 - Big Boy LP?01:11:36 - Pardon This Interruption...01:14:31 - Covering Life of Agony01:20:58 - Changing the Name Format01:25:14 - Big Boy in Australia01:28:14 - Sound and Fury01:30:26 - Who Do You Do?01:37:46 - Columbia01:39:56 - Big Boy, Big Plans01:42:41 - Real Eater01:45:07 - Favorite Coffee in the USA01:51:59 - Ghosts01:58:57 - Lettermosh'd revisited02:05:37 - Patreon Q&A02:14:43 - Deepest Fear02:15:58 - Jollibee02:17:45 - Favorite upcoming Local Band02:20:33 - Big Boy's Favorite Big Breakdown  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Is there any desire in your mind to ever do a big boy LP? Everyone wants that, right? They say they do. They say they do. They say they do until you listen to the LP, you stop at the sixth song. No one wants to listen to a whole LP. All my favorite LPs are only the first six songs. I'm like, oh, man, this is a killer LP.

I'll hear some songs. I'm like, what song is this? It's like the eighth song of LP. Track 8 goes crazy most of the time. It always goes crazy. Why not make track 8 track 4? Yeah. Because then what's track four?

Track three. That's Bay Math, dude. Welcome. It's Hardlord Time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing so good, Colin. Who's there with you? Huge day here today.

A big day, really. The biggest day. The biggest day with the biggest boy. I've got a Bay Area Titan here. I've got I've got the man who won't take a horseshoe for an answer. One of the great frontmen leading the charge in hardcore today, I've got

Brandon from Big Boy. How you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on the pod, on the episode, in your house. Yeah, welcome. In your car. In my car? Thank you. Thanks for flying in today just for this. Had to. We stopped at Bob's Big Boy so that the Big Boy can meet the Big Boy. Here's that. Wow. Was it good? Was it tasty? History. We didn't eat. They weren't right to eat in there. They didn't eat there. The statue was good. Yeah. Oh, okay.

There you go. So you're an RBSman. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Could you tell me a little bit about where exactly you're from in the RBS spectrum? On the spectrum? Yeah. What's one side of the spectrum?

What's the other side? I would say San Jose or Berkeley. I'm full on San Jose. Okay. I'm San Jose leaning on the spectrum. Okay, I got to sure. Understood. So how, so RBS Fest, which just took place,

looked like a smashing tremendous success. How was that having something like that in your home? Oh, it was dope. Yeah, it was awesome. Kind of hard to articulate the words for it, but the amount of people I saw finally in our city was a great feeling.

And like completely DIY. Yeah. Completely DIY. All your friends, bands playing. All friends. All the homies. The cool thing was like recognizing all the people there from other areas and then them being in San Jose.

I can't tell you how many times I said, welcome to San Jose. How good did that feel? It was awesome. Yeah. Very, very good. San Jose is a special place even for me. Like, it's always been a place that was cool. When Harmsway first went there and we were more of like a power violence band,

we played with Indiscust. We played at the Locust, the Locust House. And it was like our first time over on the West Coast, and it was just like open arms, very nice. So it's always been special to me. And I love that this is going on there, you know, almost 20 years later. Thank you. For my introduction to it.

It was really dry. like for a period of time or even separated I would say people didn't really get along too well and then certain bands that would come wouldn't get along too well with certain

you know for whatever reason but now is a beautiful time I think the bay kind of moves in cycles in terms of like where you're playing like San Jose when I was young was the first place I ever played out of town and then it became Gilman

again and then it was Oakland and then it was San Jose again and then it was Santa Cruz. Yeah. No, it's San Jose again. Here we go. So tell me about, take me back in time. Tell me about young Brandon

and a young San Jose or wherever you're originally from finding punk and hardcore music. All right, hold on. I got to set the foundation first. Please. I was born in San Jose. Okay.

I lived in San Jose until I was. was like a five or six then i moved found hardcore somewhere else then move back so i'll say i'm from san Jose yeah okay but okay here we go but where was that where was that interim i moved to the central valley oh so part right near stockton okay yeah i live in a farm town very close to stockton and i actually found hardcore in a farm in a farm you needed it though you needed it there yeah but The farmer introduced me to To hardcore. No,

I know. Damn. I was like, this bit is getting real, man. That's crazy. No, the spectacle of hardcore I witnessed for the first time

in the town I grew up in at a coffee shop. Really? By chance. By chance. You guys in coffee, man. Coffee really just makes the world go around. Oh, yeah.

So how, what did it happen? What happened? I mean, I already knew they were doing music, live music, at this space. Okay.

So I was just in and out of this space. And I, actually someone was fliring and gave me a flyer and was like, you should come to this event. It's like a punk, it's punk rock, you know? And I'm, you know, my,

um, the way everything is categorized in my head, I didn't know what was what yet. Yeah. But it was a hardcore show, a local hardcore show there. And it was, I witnessed, like, it was a shot show, but it was dope.

It's like, it was dope seeing that, you know? Sometimes that's an intimate, burnt out show when you're young, is cooler than anything. I agree. I think we're there for a reason. We've all gotten that jab, too. Like, everyone has that story of the first time we go, oh, I like this. Oh, there's nobody here so I can mosh by myself. This is unbelievable.

Yeah. What, where was this coffee house? The town was, is Lathrop, California. And that's just south of Stockton. Okay, got you. Gotcha. And that's, um, and this is Eureka coffee. This is Eureka coffee shop in Lathrop, yes.

Interesting. So you had a lot of experiences in Euricca coffee. Uh, you know what? It felt like a lot at the time, but I feel like it was only around for like two years or so. But it's, but it's, it's formative to you. Very formative to me. I met a lot of people there that were telling me that there were other things going on around in the surrounding areas. Gotcha. So that was a very critical period of time for me to be there and gather this information.

What are your thoughts looking back on Eureka coffee in Lathrop, California? My thoughts on Eureka coffee in general? Yeah, yeah. Or just that time in your life Oh, it was And you're in coffee in particular Um I don't think I ever had the coffee there

I was like so young I was a little kid Sure sure What age were you? What was this? I was like 12 years old 12, 13 Just skateboarding

That's how I Too young for coffee That's how I Way too young for coffee Yeah Maybe tea Tea is fine The coffee way too young

Okay So those are important days In your life But my, my, how I feel about that. Yeah, I mean, is this where you're meeting, like, people, like, the tsunami guys and the gold skies and stuff like that? That was, uh, they're all Bay Area. Like, they live Bay, entire life Bay. Also, this, if you're not familiar, which the, the general people listen to this, are they in California?

Do you know? I think they're all over the world. All over the world. Central Valley is only like an hour away. Yeah. So it's not like that far, you know, I guess. But I met those guys early on in, in that time period, going to the Bay Area to go to shows. Gotcha.

You know. Did you click very earlier? Was there ever any beef? Like, oh, that's that motherfucker from laythroat. Oh, I was, like, always, like, moshing, like a mosher guy. Good, good. So I just felt like I had to be a mosher. Sure.

So sometimes, you know, people would feel some type of way. That happens. You know what? I was just there. Just moshing. That's all I wanted to do. Never really had problems, fortunately. Just was the chill mosher, dude.

What are some, like, pivotal shows that you remember from that time or bands you saw that were formative to you and kept you coming back? I'll name drop a few. Hit me. Okay. When I was younger, the first band that I can think of, local band that was... talked about in the scene was this band called Portrait of a Ghost. Oh shit.

Yeah, Portrait of a Ghost. That was the first ever local band I heard the name of that introduced me to a local scene. Our local scene. And were they from that area? That band? Some of them were from Lathrop,

and then some of them were from this town very close by called Mantica. So they could have been in other places too, but those are the the people from Antica were the ones talking about Portrait of a Ghosts. So you're at the Portrait of a Ghost shows

Reck and shit? So I actually, they were like on the verge of ending and I think I've probably only went to like one or two portraits of a ghost shows. They ended up becoming this band called Ourselves Among Others. This is like synthcore

Yeah. Another band really close to our area was a Skylight drive. Oh, okay. But, like, everyone knows that, like, those sort of shows has the hardest washers. Gotcha. No doubt. No doubt about it. You know, even, like, the beat, not to talk down on beat down.

Sure. Metalcore, you see the craziest things, craziest moshers, like, synthcore. People have something to prove. Yeah, that's what it is. It's something to prove. I know exactly what you mean. Yes. I remember, like, Mix Bill shows from back of the day where it was like Spittlefield was headlining,

but there was some shitty metalcore band doing support. People were killing each other. It was dope. Was that your experience at the CDC show at the workshop in Siri? Can you tell me about that? That was my experience there. That was like crazy, that was a crazy time. That was like the shift away from like metal core, synth core.

Sure. From in the scene, it became like this, this girl. I don't know what was going on there. But that show was a... Okay. also too mind you um in this uh at the shows if you're not moving you're gonna get here you're right of course you can't you can't stand still so you're in a show there's like 20 people moshing simultaneously no one is standing still good good you know so what happened at the cdc show

in the warehouse and series the workshop so the so the workshop anyone that knows about the workshop just knew like it was like a a special play sure where special things happened lawless lawless it was in the middle of a field in the middle of nowhere yeah it sounds familiar lawless lawless I seen a lot of cool bands there um yeah I mean that I wouldn't say that that was um I've already been exposed to like that sort of hardcore already but that show was very anticipated um did you for me CDC is coming to the workshop yeah did you Did you beat ass the cool dudes chilling? Of course.

I had to. That was like one of the bands that I was like really dying to see. And it was a band introduced to me very early on. You, we were talking before we started about how you have some, what you would call controversial bands on your list of like favorite bands. Sure. Can you give me some of this? Like CDC burn is like one of my favorite CDs, you know? CEDs.

CDs, yeah. So you have the physical compact desk. I have the physical. Hard. You know? How old are you? How old am I? Yeah.

I'm 30. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I just turned 30. Congrats. He just likes, he's a man who knows what he likes. He knows what he's about. He likes the CD?

What else is on? Who else is on there? You want me to go in on that right now? Go in. Yeah. How about I say like two other bands? Sure. Warhound Return of the Hard Style.

Oh, okay. Does that like, like, like, Cause any sort of like no I sang on their LP really. Oh, that's right. Yeah, um, colder than never or yeah Colder than never. There are a Chicago band that recently made a comeback. We're playing with them. Where is that? You can't you can't wait at the Rumble. You're playing the Rumble. That's right. Beautiful. Oh yeah. Next month. Yeah. Is that next month? Next month. Yeah. The end of June. Yeah. Yeah. That's gonna be a good one. It's a good lineup. Don't stand next to me. Do not stand next to me during that set. No friends during Warhound at the Rumble. No friends during reality check.

Okay. I've known the dude Ronnie that was in Warhound started Soul Search, so he was from the IE here. Oh yeah. Those, I mean, those are two very critical and crucial bands to me liking the hardcore I like. Okay. Well, you said there's

one more band? One more? One more controversial band that you said. One more controversial band were the hardest Monsters ever, set your goals. Whoa. Like the guys in the band were the hardest monsters ever? Or the hardest monsters like set your goals? Hardest Mossers like set your goals.

That is a fact. Yeah. Meany. I saw them at the Kung Fu Corner. It wasn't nobody there. And with animosity, that's, that was incredible. But yeah, hard. People were pinned for set your goals.

That is a fact. Well, you know what? I would go attend, like, Poppong was really big at that time, too. Like 2012-ish. really big. But I would see the typical hardcore crowd at those shows

and they would do like what hardcore kids do at shows. Yeah. And set your goals was like a band that activated some of us. People were pittin. That's the fact. For sure.

He's not wrong. I think one of the cringiest things I can imagine, I saw people hardcore dancing to like saves the day. You know what I mean? That shit is my least favorite thing. Kagan, man.

You know what I mean? No, like, Dude, like crowd. Like crowd killing. Saves the Day, I think, is a little too soft to be doing those sort of activities, too. But I love Saves the Day. I love, like, emo, I guess, right? Pop Punk Emo.

But there is a time and place. Set Your Goals had certain things that would activate. They had actual Mosh parts. That's a fact. Yes. Part of this interruption, we got to talk to you about something extremely important. Are you in a band? Do you tour?

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Can you see it? Can you, yeah. If you get even see it, you, you, f***. Did you tell me about breaking down in King City for the new, uh, new brigade chain of strength show? Oh, man. Tell me about this. What happened there? Oh, man. I like that. I don't even know why I said that. That's dope that you know that. Somewhere on the internet.

Man, I was with Joseph. I had a beater-ass Volvo, like, beat her ass Volvo 240. Like, no plates. It was, like, crazy. I was on the 101. We were on the 101. I remember we had left, like, dumbass late at night. Like, maybe, like, oh, man, like, nine.

To get to the show? No, no, to, like, head to the show. We're going to stay, like, somewhere, you know? Sure. We were about to leave, like, do, like, an overnight or whatever. Oh, okay. Probably sleep in the car along the way and then go to the show. Were they playing down here?

Yeah, I think it was at maybe like White Oak. Aladdin or something? Oh, Widen. Yeah, I know it was in the valley. It was probably White Oak then. It was probably White Oak. I would always see that name on Flyers. That was a short era, but it was a good era.

It was edge day. I think it's a karate dojo now. Oh, that makes sense. It was like an Edge Day show. And me and Joseph wanted to drive down. But I was like, we can take the Volvo. I think, I'm sure it'll make it. Guess what?

It did not. It did not make it. King City is not that far from San Jose. You know what's funny? King City is like, I know this for a fact. King City from San Jose is like 200 miles. Oh, okay. I know this for a fact because I got a tow truck.

Oh, shit. And it was like, you have 200 free miles to tow the car. So they towed the car and I only had to pay like an extra mile or two. So it's like. Unbelievable. Great place to break down. Huge. Yeah, that was...

So you didn't make it to the show. Oh, no, we did not make it to the show. We did not make it. How long have you been straight-edge? 27. Can I say that? Yeah. Because that's when I got the edge tattoo.

Okay. But I've been, like, straight-edge and introduced to straight-edge since I was, like, 13. Yeah. But were you a little fucker from 13 to 27? Were you a rap scallion? Not like... Scally-lag. Not with, like, the substances.

Okay. You know, so I was doing other, like, knucklehead things, skater kid things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But not with the substances. So, you know, I, like, drink alcohol before when I was a youngster. Like, at the Filipino party. I'm Filipino, I'm Filipino, by the way. Which I knew from The Life of Agony cover.

From the Life of Agony cover. I heard you sing, I went, well, he's Filipino. You heard me sing on Filipino. He's obviously, he's too good at this. He must be Filipino. Way too good. I am Filipino. I am Filipino.

You're in a Filipino party. You're drinking, like, little kids are drinking, you know? So that's a You know Just doing stuff like that when I was a little kid But family stuff Family stuff Family style

Um But um Straightageness Yeah Um I had actually Got exposed to that through like Have heart

You know Oh okay So I like also like that Sort of hardcore My brother showed me Have heart Tell me about your brother My brother

Showed me Pretty much everything I know So he's your old head So aside from the The flyers you were given in Lathrop at Eureka coffee, your brother was the other gateway to this step? He was the one that showed me the aggressive music. He's like, just listening to him. Like, what is that?

He was listening to like, bless the fall. Oh, okay. Sure. Alessandra. That sounds right. Asking Alexandria. I like Alessandra. I like Alessandra.

Let's go with that. She sounds chill. How much older than you is he? He's a year older than you. me. Oh, wow. He was only a year. Yeah. But he was like always on the computer, so I think that's how he knew like a lot of cool stuff. That's how we did it.

Yeah. Computer stopped. You were a computer head? He was always first on the computer. I was second. I was sure. One at home. Exactly. Yeah. He was like definitely like he already found the link before you logged on. That full was going to the house first, like racing to the house. To get on the computer.

To check his new messages and comments and friend requests. That dial. Everything. Yeah. Friend request. he had to change his top eight always changing top eight always changing can you tell me before we get into like your bands and playing

into stuff can you tell me about Terry Tuesdays Terry Tuesday what is it what's that it's just a special day Tuesday is the day for Terry tell me about Terry hold on do you want to know like my fake story or the real story I want it I want

you to have whatever you want out there this is for the entire world this isn't just for me what do you people what do you want people to believe about Terry and her Tuesday. I don't know. The thing is like I still don't, I'm not on like, on social media other than the big boy page. Okay.

So I will like post like silly stuff on there. Okay. Like it's a personal page sometimes, right? Mm-hmm. And so this is the birth of Terry Tuesday. Okay. There's a mall, an outlet mall in the Bay Area called the Great Mall. Okay.

Sounds great. It sounds great. It is great. Unpopular opinion That's the best mall in South Bay Unpopular People don't like Tuesday

Go there on a Tuesday Okay You're gonna see some things So tell me about Terry Terry Tuesday I was there like 5 p.m. at night Right? I just walk around with like

I was telling you right I walk around with like headphones on in the mall No music No music headphones on No one bothers me I walk around the mall solo Okay What time of day do you like to do this?

usually like right before the close oh really yeah because i'll go for dinner like i want to eat some yeah also the gray mall has a jolly bee really if you're not familiar with jollybee you know some people aren't jollybee fans right here um the gray mall has a jolly bee inside

so i was walking around i go to the food court i'm like oh i gotta maybe check out some food in the food court shot the food court looked like like a show at eureka you know it was shot 20 people moshin hard 20 people moshin hard 20 people actually hard, but I looked. Dude, the food

court was shot except this one spot. And I walk up to it Terry Tuesday. Okay. So 799, plate of terriaki. Oh. 799 for a plate of terriaki. That's like...

That's a great deal. Where can you get that? No, never know. There's not even, like, Yoshinoa doesn't have that. No, no. That's 11 bucks. Panda doesn't have that. Panda does not have that. The bulls like more than $10 now. Yeah. That used to be the jug, like the jug meal, you know? The who?

The juke. The juke. The bowl of panda was the jig, you know? What's jug? What's jug? Jug is like, it's just like good, it's like a deal. Like, that's a deal. Like, that's jug.

That's jug. That's jugg. That's like a. I feel like I'm appropriating. Like, every Tuesday is the jib. Like, that's jug right there. Like, oh, $7.99, that's jig. Okay.

What about Splash Zone? Is that the jig? You know what? I feel like I know who you ask these questions from. What do you mean? These are so specific. What is the slash zone? Is it the joke?

Oh, my God. It's only ever one degree of separation. That's the best part. What do you mean? I don't want to say that, man. No splash zone? This is that so crazy? What is Splash zone?

I'll tell you what the splash zone is, but just don't associate me It's okay, buddy You're doing that I'll tell you the story But it's not you It's not you. It's not a representative of you as a person I don't care anymore then

Okay, so the splice zone is like Okay, you know how you go to like You go to like a restaurant and it gave you sauce, like, they give you sauce. Oh, boy, do I. Just, you, like, you, like, you take the extra sauce and you, you roll the window down,

you just throw it out the window. Oh, yeah. Who hasn't done that? No, it's, if you're any kind, if you're in this music, you're a little bit of a fucker. You're, you're so familiar with the splash zone, but you just don't, like, have the word for it. Yeah, yeah.

And then you just, like, throw it out the car and, like, Because it splashes, like, you're entering the splash zone. Okay, yeah, that's all it is. That's fine. And are you given a warning when the splash zone is approaching? Are you announcing it? Are you saying things such as splash zone? No, no, you don't, you can't do that.

I mean, there's like other games where he yells stuff out the window, but this is like a different game. Oh, okay. You know, but I'll say this. The splash zone stopped. Oh, okay. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I was solo, like solo, solo splashing.

Like, it just kind of, you know. I was in a solo mission I was like roll I rolled I rolled I rolled All right what I did was I rolled

the window down My passenger window down Okay And I like Was about You slashed Dude it got in my car I like

You were in the splash zone I entered my own splash zone Man What kind of sauce Okay Samo Zah San Jose is known for orange sauce. Orange sauce.

Everyone knows orange sauce. In San Jose, that's like the San Jose thing. Yeah, the Takaa Victoria orange sauce used to be the jug. Used to be the jug. You used to steal the bottles, but you get once every 10 times, the security would chase you. I got chased once. You can get a, you know, that was like the sauce. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's also like, I think it's like $3.99. But splash zone is free It's supposed to be free If it was $399 No one's not So you got orange sauce All over the inside of your car All over the inside of my car

Like the inside Like it hit the corner of like the wind Like the pillar of the car It just was everywhere in the car Doing that by yourself to an audience of none It's crazy At like 12 At night solo

I was going home. I had worked the next thing. Now, did you clean it? Did you clean it? I'm in my 30s. This is recent. Did you leave it or did you clean it that night? I'm a clean 30 year old.

I cleaned it. I cleaned it three days later. Okay. So hopefully I leave unsplashed through the rest of this interview. It's like a Napoleon dynamite thing or something. Hold on. Perfect opportunity. We guys, careful with that.

Sounds good. So tell you. me about the first band you were ever in. Ever? Yeah. It was only in one band. It was a band out of the Central Valley in Leithrop. It's not on MySpace anymore, so I'm not even going to say it.

It's not on MySpace anymore. So it was MySpace vibes and era? One million percent. MySpace era, like pictures were taken for MySpace. We all recorded it knowing what the is. Haircuts? I was never like that. I never had the scene hair, never wore skinny jeans. Fortunately. Big ass pants.

Big boy. Big boy, normal pants. Okay. Normal pants. Many are saying. Yeah. I actually, so can I, I'll explain the story of how the band became a band. It hit me.

I, very early on was out one of the Eureka shows. I saw a family friend of mine. He knew I was like down for these shows. And he, you know, I always see him. once in a while because he was a family friend. He asked if I wanted to try to be in a band and that's how he started the band.

Okay. He was older than me too. Like this guy was like a senior or like a year like out of high school and I was like in middle school or like freshman, going into freshman year of high school. He asked me, hey like you should try to do this band with us. You play guitar, right?

I'm like, I, you know, my foundation as a as a musician that like someone that plays an instrument i know how to do like power chords and sing beatles songs and and green day songs like that's what i mean that's more than them the ever chartboard musician yeah i'm like drop d like one finger type you know like that's all i really know and like some people make a good career that way i'll tell you what oh yeah oh yeah So my favorite music is used with only one finger Yeah But um

So this guy was like Hey like you should try To be in our band But the guitar Like everyone was so like all over the place Like I was like I know a guy that drums He would go to the shows with me

He was a fellow skater He's like Also side note The dog You know the dog on our demo cover Yeah Or my drummer That drummer at the time gave me that dog

So He gave me the dog. When was a puppy? Like here. Here's a dog. He was like, oh, I have puppies. I have something for you. That's nice.

Very cool. So that was like, and it was that time period to like us being in a band together. He gave me the dog. Or anyways. What was the name of this band? I want to know. Oh, it's like high school name. The band was called Rage.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah, just like a high school name. That's a sick name. a good name? I just remember like the aesthetic was MySpace aesthetic

Can you remember a riff at all? I remember some of the names of the songs like there was a song called like commence or something

I don't really remember the riffs too much you play that one Hey, hold that one It's not It wasn't braged It was something else

That sounds like the song Is it really? Yeah that sounds like the riff but you know what everyone was doing that yeah that was someone else's riff that was just that was like a sevenfold riff note for now yeah seriously

yeah it was ripped oh yeah okay because the guy that was like writing the songs loved the V and seven so I just note for note so the unholy confession's riff was a rage riff straight out oh I'm sure he probably thought he probably thought you somehow got the riff from your secret source he was baffled just then like damn

you really have rage like that that's crazy oh you're asking these questions from these people who are digging like deep enough you probably found it. I don't know rage like that yet. It's not even online because MySpace deleted all the music. That's so whack. That's so like all the pictures and stuff

all gone. You should the URL is still there. I remember the URL is Rage Band 209. Yeah, you can probably look it up. It's probably there and you'll probably see everyone's like personal MySpace pages and some of the bands that we were like we liked at the time we're on the top page you know so how this is the only band you're

in until big boy starts this is the only band i was in until a version of big boy tried to start tell me about that we tried to start a band pretty much the same band members it was originally just me joseph who plays bass he also is in all the other bands and our friend keone who drums in the band Legend. Legend. He drummed in a lot of other bands, too. Keone and Joseph used to play in this band called True Hearted Together. San Jose.

I played with them a few times. They used to play together, and I think that's how... And I was just always their friend, and we somehow, like, met up and wanted to make another band. Okay. And there was, like, no guitarist. We didn't have a guitarist, so... Or a bassist or whatever. Like, there wasn't real members other than us three.

And we played a show and then it just never happened. We did like a hate breed cover. Sick. Two originals, the intro, two original's hatebreed cover and that's it. And what was this version of the band called? I don't want to say it. I don't want to say that name. Okay.

Yeah. I respect you. Because on record, I've talked about this before and I said I never wanted to, I never said the name. So I'm going to keep it out. Okay. Cool. Because I like the name. I think it can be used for like big boy thing.

Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, do it later. And no one will know. And no one will know. No, no one will know. You know. So, while you're working at timeless coffee, great place up there with Joseph at the time. Yeah.

Is that when Big Boy kind of actually launches? No, this is pretty like the coffee stuff. Shout out Timeless. Shout out RJ. Shout out anyone involved with Timeless. It's like the number one employer of hardcore kids in the Bay. 100%. 100%.

That was all during, like, Big Boy doing stuff already. Gotcha. And that was very short. That was, like, less than a year of me being there. But I have been friends with Joseph. I actually met him playing one of our shows, a rage show in the Bay Area. Very, very early on.

He's one of the first people I ever recognized at a hardcore show, and I just became his friend because of that. What did you recognize him from? Just being there and moshing and I found him on my space. Oh, you're that OG mosh where I saw. Yeah. You know what? Okay, I'll say this story.

I'll say this story. I was friends with Joseph. We became friends on MySpace. So I would see him at the shows. He went to this show in Dublin. Do you know where Dublin, California is? Yeah. Dublin, we were at this pizza shop.

show there's this really cool i mean i think they're cool deathcore band at the time called i shot the sheriff have you ever heard of that no crazy name though i think that's one of the best bay area like aggressive bay area bands period period i shot the sheriff wow wow yeah it was like like like death core straight up death core you know but like really technical really fast metal core or whatever you know yeah sure i don't know how to categorize this but I saw him there. He was with his cousin,

and his cousin, I went to elementary school and like middle school and high school with. So I was like, oh, like, why are you with this guy? Why are you with this OG Moshra I know from all the gig? He's like, this is my cousin. I'm like, oh, shoot, no way.

So, you know, we just like kind of made that connection. And then anytime there would be some like family stuff going on in Lathrop. His cousin lived in Lathrop. He would hear me up like, yo, I'm in town. I'm in Lathrop, like, do you want to hang out?

And he would hang out with me and my friends in Lathrop, you know? That's how I made the connection with Joseph. Beautiful. So years later, 2019, Big Boy starts,

for real? Big Boy starts in 2019. That's the beginning of Big Boy. Starting. We did like, honestly, too, we knew, okay,

I may have even said this, before one time online. We knew that we were going to play a show. We knew we had to make a band to play a show. That's why, like, we made the band. We knew the show, thought of the name. I thought of the name before the music. I just said, oh, this would be a dope band name.

I was saying the best band names are two words, one syllable. Big boy. Yeah. Cold world. Cold world. Agnostic front. Soul search Yeah

You know what I mean Correct that That's like just like my favorite sounding Bad brains Bad brains Bad brains Bad brains God's hate

Harm's way God's hate Harmsway Yes Damn You're on to something Typo Misfits

Typo Well so that's like how that That came to be And it was pretty Pretty fast That started Because Our guitarist

Adrian, who's now actually the drummer of the band. Our guitarist, I had met, I would see this guy everywhere, everywhere, all the shows. He would mosh, like, crazy style, too. But this was, like, a time of hardcore in the South Bay or Bay

where, like, not everyone really knew each other. So there would be, like, little clicks and, like, certain clicks mosh hard, right? Like, they're just, like, hard mosh and groups and actually so Adrian and Mike Dirt were friends

like early on they were in a band together I noticed that they would chill together and they knew I was like friends with like the bad times crew truehearted guys I would much would go on to be like Hands of God Tsunami okay exactly and Gulch yeah all those

bands just regrouped and became these other bands but I was at a show, a hardcore show, moshing, like what I always do, hard body, hard body moshing, like people know. The old way. The old way,

the real way. And there was a, something that happened between me and Mike Dirt. Oh, no. And he was like, because Dirt always says this, he always, like, cites this story back to me. He's like, yeah, at this show, you were moshing. and I was like

This is dirt speaking He's like sure I thought I was gonna have to fight you Wow He's like It's that guy That guy that mosh is hard He did this

He's coming to me I'm gonna have to fight him He was ready for war He was ready for war Because you were going too hard I actually said like What's up to him Really?

Yeah What's up? No no like what's up Like yo Oh what's up yeah And he's like it's chill Like we're chill Okay

So um Well, band was playing. You're going to have to ask dirt. You're going to have to get dirt on the pod. All right. Let me know. That's his story. Just me reimagining it.

Okay. But, so, okay, slowly started, like, being okay with being around other hardcore groups. Sure. I mean, like, I vividly remember these clicks from the Bay just playing there for a decade of just like, okay, there's this group. They're here, so the show is going to be. going to be good. These guys are here too, so the show is going to be really good. Yeah, we talked about this before, yeah.

Yeah, that it was the best place to play. I'll say this one thing. This is like a life-changing, it is life-changing, because life changes. What happened was I saw Adrian hanging out with, we have a friend that moved to San Jose from Germany. I would see him around shows, met him through... Sounds familiar. He's a hardcore guy, like, really core.

Like, he used to book shows in Germany. He's friends with a lot of the people out there. He moved to San Jose. He was hanging out with Adrian. I didn't really know Adrian at the time. I barely knew our German friend. Eric Buckwold. that someone's going to hear that and be like

I know Eric okay so sorry I'm not even trying to be vague or like you're doing right I'm just like I understand you know just respect I saw them hanging out at this like Japanese market I was with Joseph we were like getting ramen or something so I tell Joseph I'm like hey like don't you know those guys like that's the German guy

and that's the Mosher guy right so we go up to them and start like talking to them like hey what's good you know and um yeah i just kind of befriended them like at that moment like like became like better friends with them crap moment and that was a pivotal moment for you it was pivotal for me um it's in like a hardcore way it was pivotal because he's the person i ended up asking to like try to write music with us with joseph he's the guitar player you finally had you know yeah yeah with with keony like we somehow managed to like figure out how to write some songs maybe like it's dope that we waited

that long because like all the time and experience of it's dope that i waited they've been bands forever yeah sure i'm glad i kind of waited to like be in a band again it's interesting to note that like relative to big boy like tsunami starts the same year basically tsunami those demos are the same year same year we played the same first show whoa yeah same first show with along with like some other bands that are like RBS bands when people refer to our hardcore as RBS

I don't even like it doesn't I don't even say like oh those are RBS bands it's just like the homies you know I think it's just how other people are going to peripherally look at it now because you guys have made it such a thing by accident outside of so the outside looking in

do you guys hear people refer to our bands as like the RBS guys 100% I hear it more used as the people in those bands. Yeah, not so much like a style or something. But, you know, that's just like it's classification of this group. Yes.

Yeah. Every RBS band sounds different. I feel like there's a lot of variation. But tell me about demo coming out, putting it together, the reaction to it. Like when does days come into play? sorry, hold on. Let me just finish what I was saying. We all played our first show together.

That was the RBS show. Okay. Yeah, that's why I had to say that. That was like the RBS show. They called it the RBS show. That was the big comeback from pandemic show? No, no, this is before pandemic. This is pre-19.

Our first show was a Halloween show. It was us. These are the bands. Yeah. I know this for a fact. These are the bands. It was Big Boy. It was tsunami.

It was spine breaker Members of Gulch, right? Members of Goal, members of T-U-I, yeah, Elliot played in Spybreaker, Cole. The homie, Ben. Ben.

You say T-U-I? Benji, no, no, Benjee didn't have played. Oh, okay, you just said it. Wait, did I say T-U-R? Yeah. When did I say that? Members of goal, members of T-U-I, yeah,

Steven rewind it Steven rewind that cut that out Stephen No um Good job Sorry um Spine Let me finish

Spine Spine Uh big boy Spine big boy Gulch Tony Molina Tony Molina played Wow

Yeah foghorn Foghorn's first show as well Okay Oh and then Extinguished did a hate breed cover set Cool So it was all

Heybreed That's all hate breed played Yeah He replayed that. But that was the first official RBS show. Wow. Before the comeback. Before the big comeback that everyone knows.

And like relative, like the comeback thing was insane. It was like thousands of people outside. How was the first one? The show I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. The house show? Yeah. There was, it was sold out, actually.

But the house, it's like a house. It was like a non-proper. This building is still there. The organization is still there. But it's not big enough to have any sort of shows. So, it was like a 100 cap house like two living rooms and you watch the moshas are in one living room you watch in the back and the hallway from like for the non-mosh is this that video of

gulch that went like kind of viral did it was it a house yeah yeah yes okay it has to be because i've definitely seen that before yeah has to be yeah i'm pretty sure the tsunami video went viral too because like people were wearing coffee costumes and there's like these people like wearing like just being crazy but it was like that because it was a Halloween show. Okay. Yeah. So this is why the banana costume guys are showing up now is because of this Halloween tsunami show.

I feel like I would see that in hardcore prior. Banana suit guys? Just sort of like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The peel is coming off.

We got to put a stop. It's been peeled. Yeah. For sure. For sure. I was going to say at a Halloween show, it's fine. you do whatever you want on Halloween. No other time is that

accessible. So demo is out. COVID hits immediately. Immediately. We played like three shows. Okay. Or hold on. I remember we played that show. Our second show was with initiate. Initiate. Initiate came through town.

We played a show with them. Cool. And then the third show was going to be with Year of the Knife. Like Hands of God, Year of the Knife. extinguish. Great show. But that was like,

that one never happened. That was COVID. The reason why I remember how many shows we played was because the merch I printed for the shows. Oh. Yeah.

Like you physically printed? Or ordered. I ordered. Okay. Through coal or something? Through coal. Yeah. Is that public knowledge

that Cole does all this stuff or all? Okay. Yeah. Through print head. That's awesome. So 2021. COVID.

did you spend that time writing the first promo, the winter promo? Or is that come like, okay, shows are back, let's get some new songs going. The band, we've never even thought about, like, doing it again for whatever reason. Interesting. It was just a one-time thing at the end,

in that point of your life? I think at that point, none of us were, like, even actively trying to. Like, Joseph had already started, like, to do tsunami again. I'm not entirely sure where Keone and Adrian were at at that time

But I think Somehow, some way, some miraculous way We decide I think what happened was Adrian came to us with like Some songs demoed out He's like, hey, I demoed these songs out

We should record Some songs. Got it. So we ended up doing like a second EP but way after everyone started playing the shows again I was just so busy doing

like other stuff in my life that it wasn't really a priority to continue the band just because I never saw it continuing in that way You just wanted to get together play music and play shows with your friends didn't think about it totally

The Bay has been this like ticking time bomb for so long because it was always the best show on every band's tour was in the bay for so long. But it didn't have

like a marquee. It had like ceremony and stuff like that. But in terms of like the style of music that Big Boy plays and Sunami was playing, there wasn't really proper representation like that on like a full worldwide touring scale. Totally. And then at the same time

the bit like all at once the bay explodes and now is like leading the charge worldwide in terms of just what American hardcore means to the world. Like, drain tsunami, big boy, even Gulch, who gone too soon, but made their mark. It all explodes at once. Scowl? Scowl. Absolutely.

Of course. 100%. Yeah. There's, I'm sure there's many more. I'm not, I'm forgetting. Those are, okay. I will say that. Those are the bands that were the catalyst to people understanding that there's music,

like, starting up and, like, going for it in the Bay Area. Yeah, because, I mean, you had bands like Spinebreaker and True Harder this whole time, which was, like, how these people, the evolution of all these bands that are breaking out now. Sure. But in terms of, like, a full-time band on a global scale, it is really just now kind of hitting. What was it like just kind of seeing that and experiencing that in real time? Did it inspire you to want to be like, okay, I think let's just keep doing this? I think it did.

Yeah, I really think it did. I'm trying to think of our timeline. Yeah. And what shows were like we were doing on the way back. I just realized like the amount of people attending the shows started getting larger. and then some of the people that organize like so everyone everyone in the Bay Area like any show most of the shows in the Bay Area

we're like we're the ones that are organizing it so whether it's like us suggesting what bands and like people will hit us and ask for shows like and we'll make something happen for them right? Totally. Because all the people booking the shows are in the bands right obviously. Yeah. Whether it's through Danny or something else. Exactly. Exactly. We all um I just remember

like playing shows because they needed bands like oh we can we can do this one we can do this one but do you honestly go on i was just going to ask if you remember the the first big boy show after like the pandemic like when did you make even a minor come back you know what we played i remember one time we had played like a couple songs at like a like another show like we were all there like oh yeah let's just play some songs like those few songs we have, you know? But, oh, one of the first shows back was, this show at this bowling alley near our town.

I played there. I played that bowling alley. X-Barr? Yeah, I've played there. Harmsway played there. Harms-way played there. Yeah. With Joseph's other band, Fields of Flame, played. That's correct.

Yeah, I remember that gig. So one of our first shows back was that. get that venue um i believe maybe dead heat played i think dead heat and tsunami played and then we played and like two other bands two other locals played but tsunami didn't get to play because there was like a crazy fight or something like that it was just like a crazy problem it's a good problem to have something crazy happened and like they didn't get to play something like that do shows still happen there i don't think so right the the venue exists They have their own little thing going on.

We decided to stop playing shows there. Collectively. So I'm sure they took it like, they were kind of exploiting what was going on. Okay. To be honest. Understandable. The people that organized the stuff there were kind of like being weird. Fuck it.

You don't want that. Yeah, like, yo, DIY. Like, we're going to do it dope. But that was one of the first big boys shows back. When was that? We, okay, we did a release, what? 2019, 21, then 23, right? Yeah.

This was probably, uh, 21, you know, yeah, 221. Okay. So tell me about the, uh, the second demo. So the, the, the, the EP, the first EP, the 2021 winter promo. Tell, tell me about it. Tell me about it. Tell me about putting it together. Adrian bringing you those songs. You guys finished recording it. Are you like, damn? We're actually pretty dope.

I mean, I, I, I feel like that one in particular was put out just so people know that we were active. I don't really have much thought about that one because I think the reason why we did that was like just so we could play more shows. The, the 2023 one was when I became super aware of Big Boy. Yeah, that's when Dave's put it out.

And that's when I think you guys like, like, the writing was on the wall stylistically the whole time, but the 2023 spring promo, is that what's called? Yeah, the spring promo Was where like big boys Big boys, big boy. And that was, was that the Son of Fury year?

Was that 2023 with the barricade and everything? 23, yeah. That was that same year. Yeah. I think all three were out at that time already. So people kind of understood our discography. But, um...

That was when I also became aware. Because we talked to you guys too, really briefly at the fest. We did like a mini interview. Yeah, I remember that. You guys were like, oh, you guys were asking people oh which band you want to see

and then you're like oh like people are saying Big Bo like I don't know what Big Boy is but yeah that was like one of the so the thing is when we played that I kind of already had faith in our band as a band that would be a band that's starting

to excel because of like the stuff we were doing just a little bit prior to that so you asked me about the 2021 release yeah I don't really think too much of that the 2020 three releases where I was like, oh, this band can start doing stuff. Which is true.

The band start to do stuff. Oh, yeah, we started, like, actually just, like, going for it. What was the first Big Boy tour, like proper tour? The first proper... Okay, can I say two things? Please. The first out-of-town show we ever played was at the midnight hour.

Oh, beautiful. It was with Spy. It was with Spy. I think the Runts played that. Oh, cool. Yeah, I think the runs played that. Unless it's two separate shows, both of the midnight hour, but those were like, that was our first invitation to go out.

And how was that? It was a good experience. Sure. Yeah. Also, admittedly, I've never traveled outside of the Bay Area to go to a hardcore show, with the exception of, like, a show by chance I went to in Vegas one time. Or the one you tried, the trip, the one you tried to go to. That was one of the first times.

Other than Sound and Fury in Santa Barbara, I never had tried to go out of town to go to a hardcore show. Oh, I did go on some runs with Bad Times crew. Oh, cool. That was with like this band called Bitter Thoughts from Chicago. I don't, not personally, but I know them, yeah. One of the best, to me, one of the best, one of my favorites. with the exception of those times

I've never really gone out So Big Boy is kind of the reason you start experiencing hardcore outside of the bed In general 100%. So what do you remember the first great reaction That Big Boy ever got? I do yeah actually

Other than the our local times Because people were starting to like Understand what was going on locally This is actually the first tour we did So this is the perfect question It was an abrasion tour Abration organized it. Angel at the time

he had just moved to the Bay Area and we befriended Angel started hanging out with Angel and he asked us if we wanted to do a tour like hey like abrasion wants a tour we should do Big Boy and Extinguished So it was Abration Big Boy Extinguished

It was a great tour It was awesome, it was great How long was it? It was like maybe like eight days We did like We went to the first show was Program

Oh, sick. So that had to be good. It was honestly like When I was like, oh shoot, people know this. Like people outside of our area know this. This is a dope vibe. This is a dope vibe.

Straight up. The first good reaction Big Boy gets out of town. I mean, program is a hundred cap skate shop. So it's like, if you're popping at all, the set's going to be amazing. But I love that that being amazing,

your thought is, this is a pretty dope vibe. It's a dope vibe, you know? I guess I'll do this for the rest of my life, maybe. That was the show that convinced me, though, like, oh, like, we can actually go and kick it and do stuff. So is the whole tour that good to an extent? It was good enough. Yeah, it was good enough to be like,

oh, this is a dope, this is a dope vibe. Actually, what had happened was we went to program. I think we played another show in SoCal somewhere. We went to Vegas. Then we ended up in Salt Lake. There was a festival that had just started

in Salt Lake. Our homie Marquise and all the dudes that do And that rock? It was cool. The vibe was cool. It's interesting just because like, because California will lie to you because it'll make you feel like oh, we're going to be huge everywhere.

Yeah. You know what I mean? because the show shows to be so good there. And then you get into mountain time zone. Same. 100%. We were only left... Wait, hold on. Oh, yo, hold on.

My bad. I'm hella missing a tour. We did a tour without a pocket. How was that? From Texas. That may have been after the abrasion run. I'm sorry. I think it might have because wasn't it two FIA or something?

or no, you played Philly and that's why Bob asked out of pocket to play Foy I think is what it was. We did that, we did FIA after the day's stuff. So this is like pre that. Gotcha.

But Lumpy from days already knew we were gonna release some stuff so he saw what we were trying to do. I like sent him the music. Oh also the connect, can I give the connect? Sanction would come to the bay and play with

hog. Okay. And everyone just like kind of like had this tie with sanction.

Sure. And um, Lumpy knew that there was a scene up there. He had like heard of some of the

band starting to do some stuff. So he asked like, oh yeah, I could put this stuff out. I could put a big boy out. So that was like the,

the third EP like game changer for us, I suppose, you know? But, um, but yeah,

first tour was abrasion. extinguished big boy A circuit Any incidents come to mind From that tour Um Any incidents

Big events Big events No Okay Just a good tour It was good It was mild We're all mild

Very mild people Just good vibes Is what you're all about Just chill vibes Coffee eat food Just be respectful And just do dope Dope things

That's what's up Yeah And write these little 90s second marauder songs. Ninety-second marauder songs. 90-second CDC songs. Totally, totally. I mean, the thing I like about Big Boy,

like the recordings are very real and raw. They're very human. Thank you. Is that intentional? Can I tell you something? A lot of the songs that had came to the table

are like supposed to be twice as long and I, like, we intentionally made them like very short. The goal was to make one minute songs like one minute 30 second songs so that's why all the songs are are structured like that i've seen some people say like oh i wish the songs were longer oh like i listen to them again yeah like these songs sound like like oh just like parts put together but i mean all hardcore is parts put together so music is just parts all all music is parts put together and it repeats so it feels like a real

song we you know who actually like kind of gave me that idea was tony malina If you listen to like Tony Molina's music, it's like a minute long song. I'm like, this should be a three minute, four minute Beatles song, but it's not. And I like that. How many songs are in a set list then? Like a typical big boy set list? We only have, with the exception of the new songs we put out, we have like a total of like not including the, okay, not including this EP, we have like 15 minutes of music, recording.

It's amazing. Like less than 20 minutes. So our set lists are no longer than 20 minutes. And it's everything. And you're getting the discography. That's the disco. That's the disco. I had to add the sample pedal.

Like I started playing shows with a sample pedal. The first time we ever did it was that Sound Infuri. And we started doing live samples because they asked us to play a certain time. I'm like, we need a sample pedal. There's no way, unless we repeat a song, do a cover. there's no way we can do like do 25 minutes yeah and and you know like I feel like hardcore watching a hardcore set should never be more than 25 minutes yeah yeah for the most part I agree I think I think there's like bands with longer songs who you just accept that their

songs are long you don't even think about it right but like fast hardcore yeah for even a half hour is like, man It sounds like the same thing Over and over To be honest with you Can I tell you my dream Hardcore show? Please

4 band bill 15 minute sets Everyone's sharing the same equipment In and out right after That's like the best case scenario Show starts at 7 Ends at 930 In and out 930

Be home 1030 That's like best case scenario That's a perfect day That's perfect day I have dreamt of that day before. I've never experienced it. Maybe someday. Maybe I've got to get up to the bay. RBS 2026

7 and 9 in and out after. That would be nice. So the spring promo. Are you guys consistently writing this the whole time between the other one? Or is this kind of like, all right guys, maybe we should do

some new songs. Let's fire them out. We were writing it. So our writing process is is pretty fast. Okay. So when we're like, oh, we need a song,

someone will either bring a whole song or parts and we'll figure it out. And we can write a song in like a day. Like all the songs you hear is like a day song. I'm so jealous. That's awesome. Thank you. Also,

too, I don't write the songs. I don't know. I can, they'll bring the songs, albeit do it like, ja-chan, ja-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-

That's right, like, do that. Or like, don't play it this fast. Like, do it this fast instead. That's writing. By all accounts, that's more than Rick Rubin does when he produces. 100%.

So you're killing it. You would get points on the new slip knot, if that's all you said. Do you, so you do it fast, you fire them out, you get them ready. The spring, the 20-23 promos when you're like, okay, I love what we're doing. Let's hit the road. Let's do it for real. Is there any desire in your mind to ever do a big boy LP? I mean, who knows?

wants that right they say they do they say they do they say they do they say they do until you listen to the LP you stop at the six song yeah 100% listen to a whole LP all my favorite LPs are only the first six songs ever

you know and like I'll see new music come out it'll be an LP I'm like oh man this is a killer LP I'll hear some songs I'm like what song is this it's like the eighth song track eight goes crazy most of the time it always goes crazy why not make track eight,

track four. Yeah. Because then what's track four? Track three. That's Bay Math, dude. That is Bay Math.

So, so you know what? You know, like, I get it. People want the LP. But here's the thing. Make an LP.

LP can be eight songs. It can be whatever you want. I don't want any songs. You know what I want? What do you want? I want to really, actually, hold on.

Yeah. No, yeah, don't tell them. Just do it. Say this for next time. Yeah. I'll tell you outside of here.

I truly. think, being in a band with five fucking LPs, I truly think that the EP is the perfect form. Especially for hardcore means. Especially for them. But, EP and split. But they get forgotten. God Stomper style, you know? But like, only splits.

If bands like Big Boy, if that's, if the scene starts changing, like scene visually starts changing, where EPs are more commonplace than I think, yeah. I mean, tsunami's playing every EP song, every night. You know? I also like the idea.

So, like, the imagery is the same, right, throughout? Yeah. I like the idea of, like, all of our physicals are one size. Like, it's all these seven inches that all look the same. That's, like... It's a very Japanese way of thinking and physical production. It's very cool. But if you ever do it, I just think you've got the form.

formula down now. You know, quick to the point, you give them what they want. The duration of our EP, or LP, if we ever do it, is going to be like a long EP. Okay, you know, 12 minutes. Okay, our EP that just, yeah. Dude, the EP we just put out is only 10 minutes because the cover we do is four minutes, you know, like. Yeah, good point. So, I don't know.

I'm trying to think of bands that have their first thing and then an LP and then that's it and the LP is as good. So like judge bringing it down, great. It's like the only one. Carry on. Can I tell you the band that I think is like that? The modern band is a division of mine. You think LP smokes everything? No, like they have just like this small release and a big release and they're both good.

That's like one of the own, you know. Gotcha. But I like that style too. I like that style of hardcore. I mean, that should be the goal. Extinguish. Extinguish has a great LP. What used to happen from like 2000 to 2016 was great demo, perfect 7 inch.

Yes. Pretty good LP. Yeah. Like that was, that's how it goes. Yeah. Big boy will, big boy's got good demo, good EP, great EP. Actually, great EP. You remember I was like,

like, oh, I'm a wait. Remember I was like, I'm a wait. I'll put it out right now. Hard lower exclusive. Hard law exclusive. What I was going to do was I wanted to do like an LP length project split into two EPs. Release one EP, then the next day released the other one. So next day.

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Since we're all on that topic, we'll talk about the new LP, and then we'll go back to some other stuff. EP. Yeah, so the new EP. Such an interesting choice for a cover, because it's a deep cut life of agony. Anything post-River Runs Red

is a deep-cut Life of Agony track to the general public. True. But it is I think it's their best song after that record because it borrows parts from an old demo song. Who brought up doing that song? Me. You did? Yeah. Okay. Great

choice. Thank you. I brought it up because there were parts in that song that I believe that we can do. There were actually other covers that we we kind of wanted to do that I thought, oh, this would be a dope idea for a cover, not hardcore,

like, hella not hardcore. So we'd have to figure out how to perform it, but they were just what I felt was a little too technical for us. And like, one of the songs that I brought to the table was a song with like a woman singing. So I tried to do it and I hella could do it.

Was it Wuthering Heights by Kate Bush? No, it was actually a Sunday song. Oh, okay. Yeah, so like, big, I, really wanted the idea of like big boy to do a Sunday song release it as a single and just that just drop the key a little true that might happen that might happen I think because of like the this showcasing our ability yeah it can open us up to doing more experimental things 100% I'm sorry to interrupt. I was, I texted Colin yesterday that I think, not only

is this your best release, I think, start to finish, I just think it's awesome. But I text and I was like, dude can sink. You hit some impressively difficult notes, particularly on the cover, obviously.

It's fucking up there. I'm Filipino. I'm Filipino. Don't forget that. But the thing is, I didn't know if I can do it. So I did it. We brought it to the table in the studio. You know, we're like, okay, the parts seem reasonably, like, easy to perform. Most of the songs is pretty chill until the smile one.

Yeah, dude. I did not. I was like, I'm going to sing it an octave lower, you know. But then the guy that records us, Charles Toshio, he records a lot of the bands in the Bay Area. He was like, dude, just try it. You know, like, I think you can just go. Just go for it and we'll see what we can do. And they can always fix little things in there.

Honestly, a lot of that is purely me. And I redid that like a handful of times. That was the most, I was the most like self-conscious about that. Well, yeah, I'll say this full respect. It isn't perfect. And that's what I like about it. Because I can tell it wasn't auto-tuned. do you know what I'm saying?

You said it's not auto-tune? It doesn't sound like fixed to me. It's pitch-corrected slightly. I hit the notes like so, I think so well that it doesn't sound. Like if you're a bad singer, you can tell when it's auto-tuned and pitch-correct. That's exactly what I mean. I know I can perform. I can do it.

So that's the only reason why I was okay with putting it out. For sure. I even told them like I might not be able to want, this to be released. Because if it's not, if it doesn't do it justice, I don't want to do it. No, and you nailed it. And it's not, it's not a hit song. Yeah. And that's what I

that, why I like the decision. I think it's so, it's, it's so deep cut that people think it's our original and that's dope. That's good. But also too, my goal was if an old head hears this, that they can't deny that it's a good song. 100% of good cover

because we tried to do it like... It's very faith. Like, with the Keone he played drums on the recording? Was it Adrian? Keone played drums on the recording. He did all the kakakakakakak. There's one part of the song

that I noticed is missing and I didn't hear it until after it was it was like starting to get devastated by it? I'm not devastated, but when the chorus comes in there's a tambourine like Oh dude the core progression

The core progression over the chorus is so funny because it's just two chords. And they're like, the happiest chord. It's so funny. That is crazy. But they made it work, man, because then they go back to the Palm Mutant verse.

It's good shit. But the love song's EP overall. Tell me about writing the rest of that. Yeah. Do you feel that this is your strongest material? Yeah. Yeah. I think yes.

I think so, too. Thank you. The thing about this EP, though, is like, I'll say this now that it's recorded the songs like we already were playing live except one like the new new song So you were solid at them before recording I would say so

Because the first two songs that aren't like the intro track I'll talk about the intro track in a little bit But the first two like big boy Hardcore songs in that One of them we used to play We still we were playing it consistently actually 2021 we recorded it

no vocals so we have a version of the song with no vocals how we initially recorded it we would play it live never released it we would say it's just like a an interlude of some sort like a straight up mosh part

no vocals like minute and a half of moshing two step mosh two step mosh the first song mystify we don't know the name I didn't know think of the names of the songs until like after everything was recorded even lyrically even lyrically okay so you

you title last I title last I title last after like doing the lyrics for the song but Tosio was like hey I'm starting to master these what's the track list what's the name of everything I'm like I don't know

thought of the EP name thought of the names of the songs like probably like in 10 minutes but was it was it scary for you to change the format of the name, like calling it love songs and not Fall EP, fall promo? New Spring promo. So he was like, he's like, do you want to call it

Love Songs or a Love Songs EP? I'm like, I think we need the EP there intentionally because there's like Spring promo, you know, boom, yeah, we did that on the Love Songs EP. And I think that's always cooler. The Love Songs record. Exactly.

Yeah. But a new EP, we were playing the songs already. The second song or the third song, okay, the time frame goes, we knew we were playing this fest, RBS Fest. We wanted to put out more material

before the fest. We had these songs in particular recorded since like December of last, wow, okay. Yeah, so pretty long and I've just been listening to them like over and over and over and over. So I knew, with

the exception of the first song, I titled it I titled it when I prayed That's the first thing the person says The person in the recording Is our good friend Saxon He's done something on every release we've done He did the he also did like the Gulch intro

The Hands of God intro He's this guy is like RBS Cool He's so RBS He did the Me and him were doing the The intro together when I prayed And the

Like the The sample part and the spoken word he all did that. Awesome. I kind of like orchestrated it or whatever. The words that he's saying was from a book I read. I'm like, hey, like, can you say it like this and this style? But that was probably like the second most like, I needed that to be perfect too.

You know what I mean? Sure. Going into the song. So I knew the other three songs. I knew the hardcore songs were good. But is this the first time you've been? ever felt like the pressure of perfection going into recording? Not the first time,

because the EP prior I knew was going to be released on the label, so we needed it to be like on point to. Yeah, of course. But definitely, because of how much larger our band has gotten, I knew there was going to be a certain, like, set of people that probably have never heard of us before, wanting to check us out and knowing that

like a fresh pair of ears would hear this I kind of wanted to be a little bit more different than like the releases prior so that's why we did like a cool dope long intro got you did the cover

just to kind of like shows very substantial and real yeah exactly I just wanted to show like our dynamic like we have like a large like we're capable and you're doing doing a lot this year.

We're capable. You did a lot last year. You're a real band now. For sure. And to this day, like, sometimes, real band shit. Yeah. Sometimes it doesn't feel like a real band, you know? Like, I think about some bands in my head, and they seem like they have, man, sometimes

they seem more deserving of it than I do. I feel that way. It's just not how it works. That's just called imposter syndrome, brother. We all got to do. I know. It happens to all the greats. But I know.

The work gets you where you are and you guys are out here doing it. I think about how like, man, some people work harder than we do. But we put a lot of work in, man. You're going to Scotland tomorrow. I'm going to here right now. I know. Yeah. That's work, dude.

I know, man. That's the one of the funniest things I think about any time industry plant shit comes up with hardcore at all. it's like it just that just doesn't work it just doesn't happen like the bands because this guy was doing his shift at timeless yes

he was moshing at eureka don't worry why what he's been doing there's no such thing as a planet yeah um you've been Australia as well right yeah we went to Australia last year with tsunami

tell me about big boy in Australia your experience there any any big events or stories from that Hmm Hardcore I guess It was cool It was cool

The hardcore part was cool Got to play with a lot of cool bands Being able to play Like those songs for For that continent Sure Was a dope Insane experience

Everyone's like singing the songs Dope Right Um Everything around the hardcore Doper Okay Yeah

Okay I didn't know where that was gonna go But not that makes up My experience in Australia for this tour was like, it was a dream tour because of what we did away from the hardcore. Yeah. Like swimming in the ocean everyday type. That's your dream? That's, didn't know it was my dream, but it was.

Okay. Yeah. So that's, you were saying to me on the way here, like, if all your friends moved to Australia, you would move to Australia. I wish everyone lived on in Australia. Everyone, ever. And you hear that, Australia? Get to work. Would you say it's like your favorite place you've been to?

Like, it's up there? Favorite place? Was there a specific city? So you're saying Australia is better than San Jose? Hey, hey, dude. I can't answer that question, man. My favorite city in Australia was definitely Sydney. Okay.

I think that that vibe was really cool Cool But um It's a good vibe Everywhere Everywhere we went was dope We went from like the north Part of it

All the way down to like the bottom And all the climates were all different Did you go across to Perth? Yeah I was gonna ask you if you went to Perth Perth is crazy That was a time warp Yeah Perth was a time warp

Perth is wild What year is it in? 2011 Oh 2012 That's not bad Urica coffee shop days. Oh, nice.

No, it was cool, though. That was a dub experience, too. I don't know if this is a controversial take, but it's appropriate. When I was in Perth, it kind of reminded me of China. Oh. It kind of reminded me of like... I've never been. How so?

I went to Beijing. I had a layover in Beijing, like more than 24-hour layover. Okay. And I like went around and walked around. And it, maybe where I was just staying at, it reminded me of Beijing. Wow. It had a Beijing vibe. Beijing vibes.

It was chill. I would love to experience some Beijing vibes. That was chill. Perth was chill. So maybe that's why I was like, oh, this is, this is chill. Two chill places. This is exactly like China. They're the same.

It's almost like San Jose. It was dope. So Sound of Fury 2020 is when the big bike rack barricade thing happened. Yeah. You were first. on the day or second on the day or something like that. I think we were like maybe like one of the top or first like I'd say like first six bands.

Yeah, we were pretty early on in the day. But that set was where the barricade came down. That was the set where they put it up. Yeah. Like the first set. Oh, that's what I was. I remember we talked about it, Colin. And I remember we, there was some sentiment of these poor guys had the first blank.

Yeah. But then they still, it was still lit. And they made it a thing, yeah. And then 2024, you get your comeuppance and have one of the best sets of the weekend. How vividly does that set sit in your mind? 2024. Yeah. That was probably the craziest thing I've ever witnessed for our band.

I think you incited the biggest pit I've ever seen. Can I tell you guys? something like what I did so like when you go to our shows I sell the merch right I'm like also the merch guy for the band I recognize a lot of people that were moshers

okay like trusty people that were like moshers at our shows red mullet guy from in that hour Chase yeah shout of Chase he's probably one of them that I spoke to every mosher I saw I told them what I wanted to do

I was like yo bro like I know you're a mosher, I know that. I need you to do this for me. I need to make the biggest mosh pit of all time. It might have been, Guinness Book. Guinness Book Mosh Pit. And they listened.

They listened, but I asked, kindly, politely asked, probably like 100 trusted moshers. The trustees. So that's the secret is just ask of the merch table beforehand. Hey, good question. That means you got to sell your own merch. If you're not selling your own merch, how can you orchestrate that? So true.

So you're doing, I mean, like, you're a charismatic frontman to begin with. But you're doing charismatic frontman shit hours before the set. It's genius. Hours before. Street level. Strategy. Where did you, like, we have a question we like to ask our guests that's who do you do, like who, which hardcore frontman or frontwoman or musician or anything that you're subconsciously emulating?

Yeah. Do you have anybody that comes to mind that you saw as a youth that you've taken with you? As a youth. Yeah, like somebody you saw and you were like, I'm going to do what that guy does live. Because you've got very unique brandonisms live in terms, like to get people moving. Like I said, you will not take the horseshoe for an answer. Where does that come from? This is like more modern, but J. Mindforce.

Yeah. It's a great answer. He's like the guy that convinced me that we can do like that sort of thing. Okay. I'm trying to think if there's anyone like prior to that. I never really thought about it because I wasn't ever like performing. So a lot of my influences are pretty modern. Okay.

You know what I mean? But Jay Peter, I'd say is like, he gets a moving, man. I just like how like casual J is, you know? And the thing is like, I'll see a mosh on stage so I know he was like, he was a mosher. Big time. Yeah. So. And he was in a sea of the biggest, scariest motherfuckers on earth.

So he had to fight to survive. Yeah, fight to survive. I would say this, though, this is like a given rule. Like, best frontman are moshers. There's no denying that. Because you know what to do. and say to get yourself to mosh so you're able to like create the mosh for other people you know what you want yeah so give it to everyone else can i tell you something always we yesterday we played a

climbing gym we played an outdoor show for a climbing competition which in in theory could be the worst shit ever yes in theory it could have been horrible for a band performing in front of but not for Big Boy. Can I tell, I'll say this. The demographic at this, at this thing, this event, 10%, not even 10%. I probably saw like 15 or 20 people I recognize. Okay. Okay.

How many people totally think? At this event, probably like, 300 or so, maybe. 300, 300 athletes. Athletes, pure athletes, because they were all there for this climbing event. They were either there for fashion. for the hardcore? Because this is a brain dead Arcterics climbing thing?

Brain, arkey Hardcore. Okay. Yeah. Harkey. Harky. Hardkey. Harky.

But I'd say less than 10% were hardcore. Okay. And you got them. Tell me. I was like, I was just like, you know what I did actually?

Yeah, how'd you get them? I had, saw a group. I was talking with one guy on line. He asked me, hey, like, is big boy going to have merch? it was a one shout out long beach rising

long beach rising is is a like a climbing gym in long beach okay they hit me up and they're like hey like you can have big boy shirts I'm like I was like yeah I'll have some shirts well let's trade some gear you know like let's just

nothing life is free anymore I went into this knowing I wanted to give stuff away okay so I made some shirts to like just give to the beautiful people you know gotcha I'm like you up bring all your homies like let's, uh, let's rage, you know, I'm gonna shoot some gear, you shoot me some of your gear and we'll make something happen. Okay. And we all just met up. It was dope. I'm like, I need you guys to

to just do something though. Like, please like, try to activate or something. And you know, you're performing in front of people that don't know how to react to hardcore music. The first song, two songs were kind of like, the vibe was kind of strange. But if you watch, like, Arcteric actually posted a video, like, you see all these people, during a mosh part, like, final mosh part all climbers like crazy climbers just like jumping around like having a good time trying to two-step like push pit vibes but i was just like these guys don't know at a hardcore dance so i'm like i want cartwheels like just do cartwheels everyone knows how to car well everyone knows how to jump up and down like that's something like moms were there like

moms and moms can cartwheel moms weren't cartwheeling at this given moment but moms were moshing there was a dog in the pit like someone with a dog no no it was like he was carrying the dog I'm like everyone was having a good time wow it was it was like the coolest vibe ever knowing that also that like I was able to like

create like a good time for people not into it they're not not familiar with it yeah that's the like they might not have understood the culture but they got the spirit one million percent the energy was there that's all that matters it's one of those things where

one of those people is going to find out or see a shirt of a big boy shirt or something one day. Dude, I saw them. I saw them. Yes. At a climbing gym. I was carwheeling.

And whoever's wearing the shirt is he's like, what? No, you didn't. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something that's killing me? All right. So tell me. You know our logo, right?

Yeah. The big boy logo? The graffiti one or the like archedex one? Just like the graffiti logo? Yeah. I put that on the shirt at a specific size because I want like anyone to be able to wear it Oh, this is the goal. This is the merch goal.

Okay, I just don't want our merch to end up on Dpop. That's the goal. Don't end up online. I hope that, you know, this is a shirt. I don't really know this band. I bought this shirt. He's given the shirt. I want to keep the shirt though. It's like a cool shirt. Oh, I see what you're saying. That was my goal, right? It has to be.

Even to this day. I see some of our shirts online, but I feel like people are like, you know, this is still a dumb shirt. I want to keep this. Totally. I want to hold on to it, you know? That's my goal with the merch we print. So you make, you want to make things that are universally wearable? Exactly.

So I want a mom to wear it. I want no more black shirts with the red tacks with the crazy scary imagery. Like, that's hard. That's like hard to wear. It's my bread and butter, baby. That's the bread and butter. Yeah. But I got the shorties at the climbing gym and the big boy teams.

You know, like I want that. Yeah. But also too, mind you, like, this community of people, beautiful, lovely people. I met a lot of them yesterday. They were so nice. Some of them already knew who we were because some of the other homies, like in, like, New York, we're rocking with it. They're just like climber fashion homies. Sure.

Just like dope-ass, like culture people. They knew, like, Big Boy was dope. And then I'm like, oh, yo, cool. That's all I can ask for. You don't even need to like the music. Yeah. You don't even need to like the music. Just think that we're dope.

Just think we're dope. And chill, you know. We are dope and chill. No, I agree, I agree. You know. Tell me about Columbia. Oh, man. Was that insane?

That was a beautiful experience. Okay. Yeah. I had such a good time there. Shout out Carlos, Rob Brigade. He invited us over. We, um, yeah, man, we had, oh, man, I had such a good time there.

That was, I, I mean, with the exception of, um, Canada, that was our first, like, international thing. it was it was such a dope vibe we played one thing we played one day of the fest we were there for a week chilling whoa damn whole week that's awesome I couldn't ask for more that was like a good surreal experience never thought like

hardcore would take me there what does that seem like crazy yeah moshers hard moshers hard body mosh styles for sure you know it was dope actually one of the coolest like music experiences there was a pre-show

that happened where like a bunch of punk bands played and gag played oh cool it was like the gag and um Avery from New Jersey's band Cut Down

Yeah cut down Or never again He's in cut down Sorry they share in Instagram So it's like the same band right But they played And then some locals played And it was like four stories up in like what looked like an abandoned building in like a concrete building.

It felt like the craziest punk thing ever. But it was such a cool vibe just being there. Beautiful. That sounds like like the foot layer from Ninja Turtles. The foot layer. Ninja Turtle style. Turtle style. But yeah, that was like my, that trip was probably like one of the coolest experiences.

I'm dying. I got to go. I got to go. It is kind of how they do it down there, too, is when we did Costa Rica, we were there for like five days. We played one show. So, same kind of vibe. I mean, you experience the culture. You experience the scene overall.

And then you culminate it with this big, beautiful show. It was awesome. Dying to do it. Tell me about your plans for the rest of this year. Big plans. Big boys, big plans. Here's Brandon with Bob's Big Boy again. Plans.

Beautiful. Let me think. like what we have set up yeah what do you got um we have sound fury yeah yeah okay we're put I don't know I can't say that's okay yeah I want to actually I don't care we're we're playing high up so oh cool yeah I they never said we can't say that but we're

no you're fine pretty high up so I'm excited that's what's up I think the reason why I'm excited is because like I vividly remember like the higher up slots like when Speed played 2023 I was like oh this is like insane bonkers and like when have heart

headline last year I was like this is insane I'm not saying we're have heart or speed but yeah but you're inching your way there than a big way the energy changes when like the sun comes down at that fest big time and I'm

I'm just like hoping that we get to all experience something beautiful again Oh. So that's like what I'm looking forward to. Hey, I guarantee it. Thank you. Hold on.

Let me think of what else, though, this year. Yeah, what do you got? We were going to Europe three times. You got that show with Turnstile. Three times. We got the show with Turnstile. That'll be crazy. We got, so we're going, we're playing tied down.

Beautiful. We're playing some shows with Combust. Love it. New York hardcore. Apex Predator. One of our favorite bands right now. Pacific Northwest Pacific Northwest

We play two shows in Canada Toronto, Montreal Then we played the turstog do Have you been to Europe yet? This is our first time Damn Yeah Our first time in the UK

The month after we play Outbreak Yeah And then Sound and Fury Some little stuff sprinkled in between Nice

And then we go to Europe again in November. We've got to have you back on after all this to talk about it. Because that's going to be a pivotal life experience. I probably, yeah, we'll see. We'll see.

I never thought I'd ever go to Europe ever, you know? I never thought I'd leave San Jose. You are leaving San Jose, man. You're doing great. But San Jose is lucky to have you there. I'm sure you guys are flying the flag beautifully.

Thank for your hometown. Thank you. And you're putting it on the map. That's all we have lined up. though. Cool. Yeah. With the exception of some little stuff,

sprinkled here and there. Do you, you eat pretty good? I'm an eater. As a big boy, I hope so. We were just talking about this, like at the,

at the cafe, I lost some weight, fortunately lost some weight. Big boys and mentality. You know, you gotta be big up here before you're big up here. Wow.

Big here. Big, right here. Okay. Beautiful. But regardless of that, you still could eat. I'm an eater. Okay.

I'm an eater. Like a real eater? Dude. Trust. I'm an eater. Okay. How many nuggets do you think he should put down? More than you.

Oh. More than 80. Good answer. More than 80. Wait, how much did you do? 62, I think. No, it was actually 58. It was it 58 after the...

Yeah. He did 50. I did 88. You did 88. Yeah. I could do 89. At least. I mean, we got time.

You will prove this to me. some point in time. I promise you this. But before then, Colin, I promise you, I can eat more chicken nuggets than you. I promise you that. I am an eater. We'll see.

But I'm sorry for you just set yourself up for it. It's going to be horrible. But it's going to happen. Before then, tell me about what big boy 's touring eating habits are like. What do you guys like?

Oh, we're good. You're good boys? Yeah, we're good boys. On the road, yeah. We're like Whole Foods guys. Oh, really? Not Costco guys. We're Whole Foods guys.

Whole Foods, sweet greens, Chipotle, like, those are like the main three touring. Like, that's what we're doing. You keep the tank clean. Try to. Okay. But now when you're trying to get a little naughty. Oh. I can get, we can get naughty.

Yeah. We can get really naughty. So where are we going? What part of the country? Oh, that's the game. We're in a mythical place where everything is there. I'm going to Terry Blacks. Okay.

Barbecue. Barbecue. Smoke meats. I love meats. I love it. We're going to go get some after this. That'll be fun. Hold on.

Let me think. Wait, I need to start putting on. Yeah, put it on. Oh, man. We're coffee heads. Yeah. You are big time. We're big time coffee heads.

Give me your top four coffee spots in the country. That's fun. Outside of San Jose, outside of the bay. Oh, man. In the country or the world? The country. The country. Hmm.

Oh, variety. I love variety. Where's that at? New York. New York City, there's some in Brooklyn. Okay. But that might be a controversial one for the coffee community. They're all going to be.

People are like, oh, it's just whatever. Yeah, but you've roasted beans. So who are they to? Oh, this is strictly vibes. Yeah. It has nothing to do with taste. Yeah, nothing to do with taste. It's still like $5 cups.

You know, and it's like dope and like they don't charge extra for like the syrup, you know. Oh, okay. That's why. And if you're a syrup, man. I can get, I like to put a little vanilla in there. I can get naughty. Yeah. If they got like a house made Madagoscaro vanilla syrup.

Oh, love that. Dump it in, baby. I can get naughty in that way for sure. Okay. Yeah. That's one of them, though. I like variety. All right. Give me three more.

Three more. I really also like, oh, in Philly, there's this, like, it's in the middle of the street. It's called Hermans. Someone, oh, Kyle. Kyle, Soaked in ink. Soaked in ink. Does great job. It does great stuff.

Soapden ink? Amazing. They told me about this cafe called Hermann? Hermons. Sounds awesome. It's like literally in the middle of the street. it's like it has like groceries in there too but they do this beverage called

an aericana and it's like a steamed espresso shot like frothed espresso shot with slight vanilla syrup slight syrup over ice I'm not an ice drink guy oh really I know it's that today

I love hot beverages interesting I best my favorite like easy, like order, eight ounce Americano. That's like the drink. No matter where I go, it's an eight ounce of a marathon. He's got one right there. Well, the beauty about an Americano

is they exist everywhere. So when you're in Europe, you're going to be able to get that. Whereas if I'm looking for a fucking cold brew, can't find that in Europe. It's not going to happen. Can I tell you something? What's that? Please. When I was in Australia, we stayed above a cafe,

okay? And I'm like, I walk in. I sound like what I sound like, right? I walk in, I'm like, looking at the menu. And I'm like, whatever, I don't care about, like, not discreding this cafe. I just don't, like, I don't want to think. I'm like, let me get Americano, please. And then this guy's like, do, do, do, do you.

He's like, okay, here you go. It's this much. By the way, we call them long blacks. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. And yet that fucker knew what you meant, didn't he? I'm like, dude, just give me my Americano. You know what I'm talking about.

Just put it in the cup. We didn't... Americans didn't name it Americano. Italian's did. It's literally an Italian thing. And it's now known as that around the world. The entire world. If it's on the Starbucks menu in France,

I think that's what it is, you fucker. But they are everywhere. That's what I like. So give me two more coffee shops around the country. Around the country. Yeah. I mean, put on for your home, by all means. Hey, I'll say this.

I'll say this. One of the most recent spots, MoDoo. Modu is vibes. Go-do. Mo-Doo's sick. Go-do. Yeah. Go-do, modu.

Straight up. Go-to-modu. Agreed. America. I wish it was a little bit closer to me. I'd go every day. They do like this really good, um, black sesame mochi little loaf thing. That's good.

Yeah. Did you have the cream puff thing? The cream? Oh, my God. I have the cream puff. I have the whole array. I'm an eater, man. I bought the leaf on the thing, like everything, you know. I'm huge on espresso tonics, and theirs was very good.

Very good. I just had an espresso tonic recently. Oh, counterculture at the climbing gym. Counterculture is at the gym? They had a pop-in about the gym. It made me espresso tonic. Shout out Dorian from Soul Search. Shout out Dorian.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Love that. All right, I guess that's... That's four. Yeah, give me one more. One more cafe. Bay?

Yeah, I want you to put on for your home. A cup that you're excited to get. An excited cup. When you're home. Not timeless, because timeless is... Obviously. Oh, man, this might be controversial coffee. Actually, I'll use...

Do a neutral one. St. Frank. St. Franks, if you're from the Bay, or going to the Bay, St. Frank's coffee movement. Coffee movement's awesome. Coffee movement, beans are St. Frank. I know all about coffee movements, brother.

You know what I'm saying? No, yeah, I've been there many times. And I shit a lot. I meant it both with. Coffee movement, yeah. That's a chill list. That's a great list. Any real deal coffee head, if they go to these spots, they're like, oh, yeah,

Brandon knows what he's talking about. I like, don't get me wrong. There are other spots I was going to say. I like really crazy experimental pour over type stuff too but you know like that's gonna make the list boring sure you know what I mean yeah understood beautiful

so what's Terry Blacks is your choice for anything in the country you would eat on tour anything on I'll say that for right now that's a great no that's a good answer it's not it's not fast food it is that is like

a real deal yeah highly rated establishment very seldom in my like really looking forward to eating a specific food. And the barbecue in Texas is just so great. It is. That I'm like looking forward to that. Yes. Beautiful.

I love Terry Blacks. There was a place we went to last time we were in Austin. Leroy and Lewis. It's called. That was on a list I was giving. Next time you're there. Yeah. I know you're going to want Terry Blacks, but try.

Mr. Leroy and Mr. Lewis. Those guys, they know what they're doing. I'll be there in a few weeks. Maybe I'll give that a try. Get the fucking. bacon rib thing. Oh, okay, okay. It's a rib, but it's,

don't get me to start. You're going to Austin? Yeah, yeah. Harmsway's leaving for a tour in a week, and it goes into Texas. Proud Marys. What's that? Austin.

It's a cafe. Oh, it's an Australian-style cafe. It originally started in Australia, but the only ones are in Portland and Austin. And I really like that. There we go. I like going there, too. Beautiful.

Okay. Can I ask you some of it? Yes, sir. You believe in ghosts? Yeah. You ever see one? I've seen what resemble a ghost, yeah. Please tell us.

Please go on. I'm trying to think of, like, my last paranormal... So there's more than one? When I was younger, I was more open to, like, feeling like I was, like, seeing these things. But I used to live next to a water tower. and scary you never know what's that yeah everyone was like oh there's like

a lady when they were built because like of course the place you know you already know where this story is going she got trapped inside yeah yeah of course but there's like a ladder that goes up to the water tower

and like we would visualize like the ghost of the lady sitting at the top of the ladder so scary visualization that's one of the last like ghost things that I was hoping. Oh, you saw her. You saw a lady up there? That's what I thought I saw. Yeah. Okay. I like it. I believe you. You saw it. Thank you. Do you ask all the guests? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's your guys is? He's out. I'm out. I'm out. I've never had a thing. I've never had a

he's a skeptic. Skeptic. I've never had. Do you believe in? Do I believe in what? Do you believe in anything that most people may not believe in? I believe that there are things that we can't explain that are explainable, if that makes sense. We just haven't figured it out yet. Elaborate. So like one of my favorite analogies is when you take a cell phone near a speaker and it goes, it makes like the noise, the static noise, that's two pieces of technology that are not made to go together that are trying to interact. I think that

what we think of as a ghost or as a thing might be us being one piece of technology, interacting with another energy form that is a piece of technology and we just don't know how to see each other yet. Because all around us all the time, there's Wi-Fi, Radio, Violet, light, X-ray,

radio waves. We don't see that shit. Yeah, 5G. Intangible. You don't see that shit, you know, but it's there. Yeah, it's there. I don't think that's that far off from what we think of as ghosts. But I don't think there's like a Casper or like a guy roaming the hall because he died on duty and that's what he was doing when he died.

You don't think the homie Iqabod Crane really saw the homie hit the horse. I don't believe so. I think I know I think they're straight up. Can I see something? I don't want to go full nut mode. And you know, I'm not a, I'm not really like a little. Well, don't get him. If you get him started on JFK, you'll see nut mode, okay.

Ask me, dude. So what happened? No, no. What I'm saying is like, everyone has a different perception of reality. Yeah. Right? So it's what your mind can interpret.

If you feel like you can interpret energies, like a ghost-like energy, your mind can also interpret figures. Totally. Sometimes you, the idea of a ghost, yeah, like in like a scientist, sense, like you might not be able to see it. But because your brain is so powerful and strong, your brain can, like, is infinite ideas, right? Yeah. So your brain can interpret what could be

a ghost. It might not look like Casper. Yeah. Could be like a, like a, something dark, just a dark thing. Doesn't you always be dark? It could be light, you know? I think your brain. What you said at the beginning of your story, too, is like you were younger and you were more open to it. I think that's a thing, too. because Colin, as you know, I was a scared little boy. I was afraid of... You were. Like, the darks scared the shit about me.

He was scared. He was a huge pussy. I was a big giant pussy. So was I. Yeah. I pretended like I wasn't. You know, you pretend to be hard body. You're not scared at Chuckie, the idea of Chuckie under your bed.

Yeah. But then... Mom, I'm scared of Chuck in my bed. Can you trip the hall light on, please? Oh, yeah. Running up the stairs after taking the trash out. up the hell. Straight up.

Kate Bush. Sorry. Can I just, let me just finish like this thought. Yeah. So when you're young, those are the things

you feel or believe, right? Yeah, yeah. There are sort of energies that I feel that make me believe these sort of things. Like, for example,

there are these sort of feelings that I can feel from inanimate objects when you look at something, or you know you observe something

that that's that give me the same feeling of like what it would be like to see a ghost again so like one day I was I was sleeping somewhere I woke up and it was literally

like a quarter mile away from like the face of a mountain and when I woke up and I looked at the mountain I felt like haunted like this haunting feeling it was an energy. It was an energy.

Similar, if you, do you guys like get in the ocean ever? Yeah. Rarely. Very rare. I like to swim. So you get in the ocean,

like if you ever swim out deep, like deeper into the ocean, like surf style. When it gets cold. Let's say you're in a wetsu, whatever. Yeah. But there's a feeling of like the mountains and like the,

the cliff when you're looking at it. Maybe it might just be me, you know, but there's this like energy. Ghost-like. It's the earth pulling you. back in, you know? It could be that, you know, but I'm open to interpreting it as like an unexplainable,

like, ghost-like energy. Okay. So you feel that every time you see a mountain in a certain way. Sometimes I speak to you. Exactly. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes certain objects, like feel like you can, they radiate a certain energy. Unexplainable, you know?

That could be, like, the iPhone to the... Studio-Ward Yeah, totally, totally. It's a good way to put it. So we got a believer. I believe a lot of things. I'm very open to believing. We got one.

A lot of skeptics lately. Who is skeptical? Most people. Most people. Don't get me wrong. I want to believe. I have just not, I have never experienced.

Xbox. X-Files. It's from the X-Files. Fox. He's on Fox. David Duke. I like that That's a good show

So we had you on briefly On our letter-moshed episode Where we asked people their top four Harker Records of all time Do you remember what your answers were And have they changed? I remember my answers So your top four hardcore records of all time

Should I restate them? Yeah I said Intolerable Weight Soul Search EP demo Demo Demo yeah

One of the best still holds up to me still holds up I said dedicated to babies who came feet first from Soul Search Cold World Cold World, sorry

I was thinking about Cold World that's like a very crucial band and like format of an album that is clearly reflected

in the stuff that we do everything down to like the speaking parts and like the samples yeah totally I can see it like the kind of like hip-hop style, like, influence that we have.

I said, Secrets of the World, right? Yeah, I think so. I believe I said Secrets of the World. Still, like, still top four. And then I said, scared to death. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

Also top, yeah, still top four. So you're feeling good about this top four still? Are you going to start quizzing me? No, not at all. Oh, I do feel good about that. Good. Yeah, because those four I think are good representations of not just our band, but like the influences that we put towards the sort of music we write.

All four bands, I've seen every one of the people in our bands moshing too. So. It's important. Have you ever seen? I was just going to say, I like your answers too because it's very often that we get records that are like over 40 years old. Yours.

Can I tell you something? You can tell me anything. This might be controversial at HC. Okay. I don't like much. Sorry, let me rephrase this. Let me say this correctly so I don't get flamed.

I don't tend to favor anything pre-2008. Wow. Wow. I mean, I can tell. I like modern things. That's rare that we hear that. Yes. So I, you know, I appreciate.

that perspective. I'll say this. I'll say this is how like my brain works with core. Brightside. That might be some like people's favorite albums, right? I like Brightside

because it sounds like combust. Interesting. You get what I'm saying? That's where like my brain is when it comes to it. So you have a modern reference of it. Therefore you go, oh, this is what this man I like it's pulling from. Okay, now I understand that. Yes. This is also

very controversial what I'm going to say right now. And I won't even see the name of the band. You're already striking controversy, but let's hear it. Let's say there's a band that every single there are some bands that subjectively every single hardcore kid, the general demographic, it is

like, I like this band. Yeah. Old heads, young heads. Bands that are sometimes so popular that kind of create a style. Mm-hmm. everyone imitates it and my first my first um introduction to this band like these sort of bands is like a bad version of that and then i don't like the band because like oh this was like that's that's common right yeah this band was doing this style it took me forever to like hate breed like it took me forever to like hate breed like interesting you know and there's still certain bands that are on that caliber where

where i'm just like i don't really know i don't get it like people say they get it but i think because the style has been so diluted by local bands or people that are just kind of imitating it that i don't necessarily favor so it's not it doesn't satisfy me But like you went like cold world takes a lot from life of agony. So that like you went back and that put life of agony in different context for you. Because like you covering other side of the river was your choice. That's a deep cut song on a deep cut record by a band from the early 90s, which sounds like a thing you would not be into.

Sure. But is that that is that just there's rare cases of things that click for you? Okay. So I started liking L.O.A. because I saw age of a pocket. apocalypse life. Seriously. I get it.

I understand. I was like, man, I really like AOA. Like, this is such a cool band. I like the sound that they do. And then they're like, oh, this is like similar. This is like one of the influences

L.O.A. You're doing, I mean, you're doing what a band wants. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, like, it makes total sense. That just means they did a good job. Yes.

wearing their influences on their sleeves. One more reference like that. Like I remember listening to Desperate Measures is Leeway, right? I like Desperate Measures because it sounded like the first two turnstile releases. Sure. And I was like, oh, this is great.

I appreciate your honesty about this. This is like the exact kind of thing that people would be like I'm not going to tell them that, but that's how I discovered these things. So that's it'll be good for the audience to hear. You know what I like, though? People ask me, like, Big Boy, Hey, Big Boy,

I like your style of music, what other bands would you recommend? And I tell them, these are the bands that we all like. Yeah. And got our sound from, you'll probably like this too. Yeah.

Wow. So, and amongst those bands are like the ones we were just talking about. Yeah, 100%. So that's how my, thought goes into this, you know. That makes sense. It makes sense.

I like it. It's like the opposite of gatekeeping. It is, yeah. Gate opening. It's very open. I mean, I feel like I'm pretty like, um, careful about what I'm disclosing still. Yeah, you're doing great.

But I am very, um, yeah, I'm not gatekeeping. And you're doing good. I'm not getting. What's the point? Yeah. All right. We got some questions here from our Patreon,

people favorite non-bay area slash adjacent part of the u.s to tour what does that mean non-bay though like you're not in the bay where are you psyched to play does L.A. count yeah L.A. counts oh well if I think our sets are better in L.A. than the bay well there you go great but also I'll say this um my favorite part of the U.S. to tour Pacific Northwest beautiful all of the west coasts like Because I love S-D, I love L.A. Pacific Northwest. I like Texas a lot.

I love Texas, dude. I love being in Texas. I like driving in Texas. I love eating in Texas, playing shows in Texas, everything about it. I love. I like how every main city

feels like a different state. 100%. Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio. They all feel different. Yeah. San Antonio. Beautiful.

El Paso. El Paso is crazy. It is, yeah. And it's awesome. Top four non-hardcore records. Top four. That's a crazy question. Wait, that's top four?

Yeah, Mount Rushmore is four. There's four guys on there. You don't have to do it. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Let me, let me, I listen to a lot of CDs. I'm a CD head. Okay. I buy CDs.

I can tell by these headphones that you're a CD. That's crazy. It's a real CD headphones. And meaning, no offense, I despise. They're like soulless to me. It's an inconvenient format. How? Because you crack the fucking jewel cases left and right no matter what you do.

Vinyl is inconvenient. No, vinyl. But vinyl, I know, it's intention. Yes. You know, I'm going to sit down in my house to put a record on. I do the same with CDs? Well, then that's the same. But you also walk around with, do you walk around with like a Walkman, like CD player?

No, but I don't walk around with a vinyl player listening to vinyl. Well, so that's what I was going to say, though, is the intention of a CD is to be portable, typically, or was originally, right? My, my, um, the way I enjoy CDs is I sit down in my room, I listen to them. Well, or I have, I have, like, a CD player in my living room. Yeah. In my room, in my car. Hey, you enjoy CDs? I know where that's going.

Um, but hold on. Yeah, Tom Rushmore. Um, non-hardcore. Non-hardcore. probably oh man I want to put like 10 that's why I'm having a hard time

okay I'll say let's start with one I'd say the self-title third eye blind album great yeah great that's a that's probably top one of the four

the list can this list can fluctuate of course okay okay I have I like the best of Shade I have like 10 copies of the best of Shade masterful but that's not a that's not a entire record that's like a composition

But I would also... Coms count. That counts. Coms count? Okay. It's like the best of. That's like one of my favorites. Man, Mount Rushmore.

I gotta put a jazz CD up there. You're a jazz head? I like jazz. Yeah, I'm a jazz head. I'll just see like a kind of blue, Miles Davis. That can go up there too. I was listening to that on the airplane. And then I'm a big fan of like ambient rock.

So I'll put like a Yola Tango. I love you. Respect. Probably they have an album called Summer Sun. That's like one of my favorite albums by them. So I'll add that. That's a good four.

Good list, yeah. Exceptrick. Looking forward to your many UK dates this summer. How did the connection with Northern unrest come about and do you find parallels with what they're doing in Glasgow with what's going on in the bay? Last question? Yes, like the last part of it.

The reason, I also am looking forward to those dates, which we're looking for tomorrow. I do see a lot of parallels, which is why I really like spending time with those guys. We met them actually. I met Ben and Jury for the children. Cool.

Two years ago. The jury is a legend. Legend. Core legend. Yeah. I met them. I think Despise may have played

Or they're just chilling I don't know if they played Or they're chilling But I just befriended them I actually like really liked I was talking to Ben He's We were talking about like

aesthetic choices And designs and They're really good at that Like despise Always has cool shit Best aesthetic Like those The unrest guys

They have the thing locked down You know But um They had a, I told them, oh, my favorite, one of my favorite modern, like, EP covers or whatever, like, designs that I seen was the, um, the Envision EP, where it kind of looks like an import tuner, like crazy, like, it looks kind of smoked out, but in the best way possible. I was like, this looks like a 2000s import tuner ad. And he's like, oh, I made that. Oh, cool. Man, you're, you're so dope, you know?

Beautiful. But ye. Yeah, I'm dying to go there. That's how I met them. And then we just kept in touch. We played, sorry, one more, like, to add on to that. Please. We played, um, DOP, demonstration of power played Santa Feary last year.

We organized a show with these guys the day after. Oh, who kind of helped us is, um, who kind of helped Bridget to, I believe is Alex Casey. Oh, of course. The King, dude. We ended up playing San Jose with them the day after. Dope. How was that? Oh, man, it was cool.

Sold out show, like floor show. Love it. It was on a Monday. It was so sick. Beautiful. Mm-hmm. Love that. Somebody just asked Federal Way?

Yeah. We're from there. Okay. Apex. KC. is from Fed. But when we're up there, I rep that. Okay, good. Somebody said, why does the Bay Area have the best burgers?

Is that true? Controversial. But I do, there are a lot of good. burger spots. What city is the best in the 209? What city is the worst in the 209? Turlock native. The worst is Turlock. The best is Turlock too.

Okay. If you're from the 209, you love and hate it. So, you just answer that question yourself, my friend. What does FNS mean? That's an insider. Okay. Yeah. That's before the bend. Interesting. So I'll leave that up for interpretation. Oh, cool. That only are only like the

close ones understand that. Cool. Same with like the 365 stuff, like that we always say like, that's up for interpretation. That's insider. Okay. Is that fair?

Yeah, no, I can guess what that one might be about. But where's the best place to take a nap? Trying to think. When I was, um, when I was a young man, I used to get a lot of trouble.

Like, you were a little fucker, right? I was, dude. Yeah. I mean, the splash zone at 30 tells me, you were an absolute demon. That's mild. You know?

Okay. So I like had to do like an insane amount of community service. Like when I was a young man like adult adult. Oh shit. An insane like 300 hours type like insane. So this are we're talking

crime. In the out of the court system. Okay. Okay. So where were you napping? So this is where it comes. I I when I was doing community service

there was a park in South Bay that this one of the dudes that was like in charge of like writing the hours off I would go there

he'd be like all right dude like just do this I'll come back at this time and there was a hill like a knoll under there's a tree

a knoll under this tree and I would just take a nap I would have like the safety reflective vest off take it off it up put in my pocket, just like lay in the grass and then get your hours. Did you get busted?

Never got busted. That was like the best place I've ever taken. You'll never sleep as good as that ever again. That's what I was going to say is like I think modern day it's probably like just like the couch. Couch. But dude, in, in high school?

The naps I would take in class, that one on a book. I've never, I haven't slept good since. Ever in my entire life. That, that hour. Economics? Yeah.

Yeah. Dude. Best sleep I've ever got. Unreal. What's your deepest, darkest fear? Deepest darkest fear. Yeah. You know what?

My deepest, darkest fear is, man. I feel like you thought about this. Actually, I haven't. You know, I'm sorry. I wish I had a good answer for this, but let's make one. Okay. I don't really fear much. Maybe this will be like a good answer.

I don't really fear much. because I feel like I've never had had like that much to lose. You know? It's a beautiful answer. Thanks, man. Now you got a lot to lose. And the older I get

and the more I realize life is precious, I feel like there's more to lose in life. For sure. Based on like the relationships I've made, the things I've done, the things I am doing and will do, my deepest, darkest fear is not being able to like do everything.

So that's a good, I feel like a good answer. It's a good one. FOMO. Yeah, FOMO is your biggest. FOMO of my life. Yeah, because now I don't even want to chill with heads. I just want to just post up. Yeah, I'm the same.

Great answer. Thank you. Would you ever make a song in Tagalog and what is your to-go order from Jollybee? I wouldn't ever make an entire song in Tagalog because I do like the representation of like the Filipinoness. I'm not intentional about it, right? Like, it only comes out in subtleties.

But the reason why I wouldn't make a song entirely in that is because I want everyone to be able to understand it, and interpret it. Sure. So, you know, the general audience. Sure, but you would shout out of certain parts and whatnot. Yesterday, like, there's a voice mail part with my mom, like, in one of the songs that we do. We play that live.

That's sad. And after that, I'm like, oh, like, shout out all the Filipino moms. Huge pop? Yeah. Fuck, yeah. What's your Jollybee order? Jollybee order? I like the spaghetti.

You love the spaghetti. I'm not, I haven't acquired the taste. Neither of I. They have a spicy chicken sandwich. Oh. Yeah, they're too. Oh, yeah. that I think is good.

Their burger is called a Yumburger. I think the sauce that's in the Yumburger is good too. But also, this is a trick question. I sit down at the Jollybee. You don't get it to go. Fresh is crazy. I'm on a huge, Great Mall. I'm on a huge Filipino kick because there's a cafe here called Mano,

and they have Langanese's sidelogues, and I've been getting those. I love Filipino breakfast. It's, it's, in. Incredible. I love Filipino food. I love Filipinos. Yeah. Me too.

Favorite upcoming local man? Local, newish. From RCA? Yeah, yeah. From our band. Yeah. From our area. Oh, it's the newest RBS man.

Ooh, this is, oh, man. I don't even want to say anything because, like, one of the other ones might feel some type of way. They all feel grouped together for me. The newest one. Newest. Like, give me the newest one that you're, like this band is good. They should, they're going to do so. Because obviously you're going to put on for them,

because they're from your home time. He's not leaving anybody out. He's just highlighting the newest one. The newest one, exactly. My favorite upcoming newest local band from San Jose in San Jose that is active is this band called Impurity. Yeah. Oh, they played the tsunami. They played the tsunami

thing. Yeah, that was awesome. Yes. That's my personal favorite. They were sick. That's like, because I have a connection with these guys and you know, like I see it all, though. So don't get it twisted. Everyone is putting the work in. So that's just close to me so I can shout them out.

Beautiful. Yes. All right. Let's go. Let me do two more. Okay. Two step, spin kick or stage dive? Me or what I like seeing people doing?

You. And what do you like to see? I like stage diving. I spin kick so high. I kick people in the head. Good. I'm like a. Might be controversial.

I don't think you should be kicking your legs up unless you can kick someone in the head. Dude, I actually, I fully agree. And that is actually why I never did spin kick, like ever. Because I can't lift my leg up and I just, did you ever see someone who like can't even get above their waist? Yeah, it makes me sick. Yeah, it's a bad look. And I was self-aware.

Save your energy. Yeah. Just crowd kill. Just start punch me. Just start crowd killing. What I do like seeing people do is like a sea of two-stepers. Oh, that's cool. I love that.

I agree. But also, Big Boy, like, I try to do the trifecta where like you need a stage, like, full on stage diving, like singing along and moshing. Like, you need all three. Yeah. So. Great answer. I don't think anything looks as cool as like the obituary video.

You know what I mean? Stage dive, stage dive, stage dive, stage dive. It's just, it's as cool as it gets. Yeah, I agree. That when somebody says their set was so crazy. That's what you think. It's usually because of a lot of stage dives. Yes.

Yeah. Or like a pylon, like a dope pile on during a dope part. like, and you know what? Also, too, I've seen like people comment like, oh, like, do these guys have a song any more than spades? I'm like, dude, like, that's the song and people do the craziest things to that song. Every band has. Yeah, that's our song. That's music.

It's called a hit. Yeah. So I'm like, dude, you're no, you're no fun. Just stage dive, dude. Agree. Last question. You can think about this. What's the best breakdown?

Can I ask you guys a question first? Sure. What were your guises? Crowbar to carry the load. Suffocation, Thrones of Blood. Haiparate doomsayer. Hey, period, beholder of justice. That was what I was going to say.

I'll go... Cromags, don't tread on me. Cromax, it's the limit. Skank, skank. Same part. It's the same song twice. Earth Crisis, Gimorahora season. did it again

come on did it did it get in I'll go against that my favorite breakdown is the end of

unconquered by extinguish oh putting on there you go for your boys I'll say that every any

I mean all the the mosh parts for extinguished are my favorite that band activates me but I'll say that the unconcored

breakdown That's what it's about is being activated. Straight up. Brandon, it's been such a pleasure chatting today and having you here. This was two hours and 20 minutes. Can you believe that? Honestly, I can't even believe that. It's crazy, right?

That was so great. I was watching, like, all the, I was, boom. I was looking at the runtime of all the other episodes. I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to be able to talk that long. Smoked it, dude. Cool. Easy. In a good way.

I know you say smoked out is bad. But I think this was good vibes. You know what? I had to explain what the word smoked out was, and it has nothing to do with, like, the best word is, like, unconventional. Yeah. It's just smoked out.

It's just smoked out. Yeah. This was not smoked out today. In fact, it was the jug. This episode was fantastic. Thank you, Brandon, for joining us. If you're in, you're probably home from Scotland by now, by the time people are saying this,

but we hope you enjoyed that. Big Boy is going to have an incredible year. Love Songs EP is out now. Yes. I'm sure there will be. more coming. Maybe a 10 to 12 minute LP down the road. Can't wait to hear it. Big

boy, the biggest boy. Enjoy. Chicken joy. Out now at your local Jollybee. Thank you, Rainer for joining us. Have a great day. Bye.

Bye.