HardLore - Bo Tries to Eat 200 Nuggets (A HardLore Special)

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

The highly requested and anticipated follow-up to our original HardLore 200 Nugget Challenge event episode, this time with our very own Bo Lueders attempting this potentially dangerous, Sodium-Coma inducing endeavor in one sitting. Can he do it? (Even though he never claimed to be able to and REEEEALLLYYYY didn't want to) Thank you to Shattered Realm for the bell. Shot and edited by our main man Steven 197. Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links: HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Try AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1. Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe 00:00:00 - Hello Welcome 00:01:00 - Introduction 00:03:12 - Sight For Sound 00:04:56 - Is Colin Okay? 00:05:54 - United Blood 00:08:37 - Mt. Rushmore of "whoaaa" parts 00:14:34 - DTFYM? 00:16:28 - Music industry frustration 00:19:51 - Favorite cover we've ever played 00:23:32 - Mt. Rushmore of Death Metal Bands 00:23:57 - Bo and Colin Band when? 00:26:38 - Closed Casket Tour 00:27:20 - Balatro 00:30:44 - Great Job, Mr. Bohan 00:31:27 - Best and worst show ever 00:38:52 - Best Hetfield 00:41:21 - Whats on your FYP? 00:42:38 - 9/11 Episode 00:44:57 - Top 3 Movies 00:46:47 - What Made You Cry laugh last? 00:52:11 - Pardon This Interruption 00:54:59 - Who Do You Root For the Most? 00:57:16 - Albums to take to the future 00:57:57 - New bands we're listening to 01:01:40 - Favorite guitar players 01:04:31 - Weapons from video games IRL 01:05:49 - Unknown bands we've loved after seeing live once 01:16:27 - Must do's in Japan 01:20:46 - Bloodborne 2 01:27:55 - Time Travel to a historic event 01:34:51 - Misfits at Coachella 01:35:31 - Intro to HC Records 01:40:35 - Best Album With Worst Production 01:42:50 - Youth Crew Revival 01:43:47 - One last question...   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You're really giving up right now? Yeah, I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room. You said it like it's a bad thing. I'm telling you. You didn't do this. Me peaking on into, I didn't choose to puke. I stood up and vomited. And it was the best feeling I've ever felt.

You didn't stand up and vomited. We did it in my room. You went to your... I stood up and was like, oh, I'm going to throw up. I better go to my room. Uh-huh. I got on my hands and knees and scrub that toilet. Do you remember the text message you sent me this morning?

That was from something else. And I quote, crazy style. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord's time. How are you, Bo? Not hungry. Perfect. As you can see from the title, this year's Nugget Challenge is a little different. You know, a lot has changed on the show.

I've lost some weight. Bo has gained a lot of muscle. You know, I plateaued at 88 Nuggets last year. I was just got back to puking up you're puking up I feel so good dude I've been gone We wrapped five minutes ago

Yeah I walked in my room Puked instantaneously I feel like I knew that I could run a half marathon Half Go Which made me think

Which made us think Really What would happen If this year Bo attempted The 200 Nugget challenge I'd love to clarify that like two or three weeks ago

He texted me and said I think I want to try it again Maybe we do it together and then yesterday it was suggested that I do it isn't that more fun? I mean it's going to be more fun for them which is ultimately our goal

I agree I also want to point out that this is 170 yeah there's 30 more so once you inevitably finish this one 170 we'll bring out those 30 more and you know you get to learn from my mistakes you know what mistakes would you say you made eating too slow okay you did one a minute

I did want a minute for a while, which is great. It's not good, not a good pace. So I would try to speed through the first 20 or so. They were delivered in a historic New York monsoon. Flood. These were delivered very close by. So we're good. I'm going to keep count.

He's got a sprite instead of a Diet Coke. That's another advantage you've got over me. I think you got this. We'll see. You know what my goal is. 89. 89, baby. Great year for hardcore.

Youth today. is out there. Exactly. They're kicking it. Exactly. So, whenever you're ready, I've got some questions from the Patreon and the Discord

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We're going to figure it out, and I'll be fitted up in a couple weeks here. Thank you, Cyp for Sound. Bo, get to eat. Okay. I'm starving. You ready? Yeah, I'm ready, man. All right. Let's hit it. I'm hungry now. Okay, first question.

Somebody said, is Colin okay? Colin's great. Bo may have a different answer. That's not about him. Goat spot in the Valley to eat. I would say salsa and beer and lull merch. Bo, as a visitor of the valley, what would you say? Law merch, for sure.

Which, after I inevitably throw this up, we're going to get for actual dinner. We're going to get it for dinner. That's exciting. And then, um, um, well, it's not the valley. Um, where else do I like here? Where else have you taken me? Where else do you like here? In the valley proper?

Hmm. You like Hanks bagels a lot. I like Hanks bagels. I like this local place, In and Out Burger. Oh, obviously. You guys got to check that out. Somebody asks, do you think the hubris will pull you through? Absolutely not.

Excellent. It will surely be my downfall. I don't know, man. somebody said thoughts on the return the return of United Blood and what you've seen from it so far it's such an incredible thing for hardcore in the 2000s

and the 2010s it was such a pivotal part of American hardcore the landscape Richmond an all-time great American hardcore scene so it's great to have it back and thriving and young again we love to see it

it's in the same venue too so it's really you're getting the same experience that we had all those years same guys same venue yeah same vibe same vibe and the same format two days yeah go on sunday no there's no there's no there's no there's no green room there so it's like a pure hardcore experience it's very DIY yeah love united blood very happy then it's back i agree what is something else you can definitely eat 200 of grains of rice sheet bass motherfucker what about you what about you Potato chips. Individual potato chips.

Yeah, cheese. It's, oh, my God. You're in the thousands. How easy. How many are in a box? He's really good at doing this. In a box? I would guess like 400, maybe.

I'm not looking at up. You tell me. Is that one? Yes. What is your favorite locking out band? You're at eight. I didn't. I don't want to know.

Oh. He's at, uh, I will ask him what I want to know I'm impressed by that I'm just going I'm impressed by that um

locking out yeah righteous jams mental I think people I don't know if people realize that like mental in their heyday

was the biggest band also maybe like one of the first merch band was that a new nugget you let me know in the comments

I dipped it it's hard to monitor that's a new nugget this isn't now another new nugget. I won't tell you what you're at. Definitely a merch band. Yeah. I don't say that.

I will never mean that in a derogatory. Lord. It means you're awesome. Also, all due respect to the wrong side. Yeah. Wrong side, dump truck demo. That was awesome. Mental and righteous jams are kind of the easy answers there.

Like it or not, too. Oh. I wasn't always in that. But definitely a lot of not band. Yeah, absolutely. Would your bands play Coachella if asked? Yeah, absolutely. You'll find out more about our feelings on that next week.

Next week, you'll see. It's beautiful. Mount Rushmore, whoa parts. Hey, breeders. Hey, breeders, whoa, whoa. Let's do yours first, then we'll do mine. Hey, breeders. It's the second song on the Art of Drowning That rips off Queen Wasp by the Miss Chats

Go! And then, whoa, do you want a bill-la? That song, I just got chills. That song is incredible. I mean, they're like all misfits to me. So I'm trying to think of something that isn't misfits or A-FI. Hit me with some. stop at two for me my top four would be uh i turn into a marshal whoa whoa whoa whoa

they're different every time and if you play those on a piano it's just a chord and they're just hitting the chord it's so funny uh some kind of hate and i say whoa oh man that's a great one um fall children Oh That's a good Oh Oh Oh Oh

Oh Oh That's a good one Um Pretty objective Take Broham

Whoa That's for I would say Honorable Mention Coheaton Keeping Secrets Oh

Oh Oh Oh Oh one. Oh. Her black wings. Oh my God.

That's probably king. Whoa. Under her black wings. Whoa. Yeah, that's crazy. And then, what's another fun one? There's a Metallica one.

Obviously, I can hear a headfield going to, whoa, but I can't quite picture it. I'll just say struggle with it and hope I'm right. There you go. Favorite covers of non-hardcore songs by hardcore bands? I've never talked about. this.

One of the earliest songs I ever downloaded on Napster was H2O covering like a prayer. Oh yeah, that thing's crazy. Remember that?

Yeah, I thought you were about to say Throwdown and Baby Got Back. No, I never liked that. Yeah. But I love Throdof. But I will say

the original song saying you want a triple X throwdown is crazy. Maybe they got back. Yeah. It's genius. Also, Slapshot

covers Big Mouth Strikes again. And I kind of like it. No, it's dope. I kind of fuck with it. I like that he just does it monotone the whole time. Sure. It's kind of cool. I have two answers. I have three answers. Two of them are sure terror. From Broken Bar.

Yeah, that's the everything's fine. And then Boys Don't Cry. That cover is unbelievable. Insane. The last time we played here, there was like 50 million fights going on. Robert Smith suck my dick. Um, blood for blood covers runaway. the like oldies song run away

run run run run oh I was singing Bon Jovi and it's incredible is that new nugget Of course You're killing it dude Best salad all the time

Chicken seas Or Chinese chick Yeah I'm fuck with the Seas dressing That's so sad I know I know it is I know Caprazi

Love a Caprii Oh my God Are you kidding me That's all all I ever really need. Five things. Six with salt. But I think, like, I can go to sweet green and make something where I, like...

No, I need a predetermined stuff. Just like a preview one. Then, yeah, it's crazy. Cop? What's on a cop? I don't know. Bacon. Yeah, I don't eat bacon on a...

I don't really care for bacon, but I'll fuck with the cop. There is a handle bar in Chicago, which is the best vegan restaurant in Chicago. It has stuff that aren't fully vegan, but they're predominantly vegan. it is a place that like meat eaters like myself will gladly go to because it's so good they have in everything green salad and you could add seared tuna to it oh see that sounds great there we go need it save big sprite progress uh top five intro tracks tracks that are solely titled intro intro changes intro changes easily uh intro bust intro bust intro bust king nine intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro intro What's the Bad Brain's intro? The Eye Against Eye intro. The Da-N-Gat-Gat-Gat-Den-N-A-Suppert

Settlure intro on Arise. Good call. It's funny that, like, I wonder when the idea of an intro became part of the Zichai. Like, is there an Elvis intro? Mm-hmm. Or Beatles intro. It's funny that the Misfix didn't have one.

Yeah. You would think they would have something like... Because they didn't have albums, you know? So true. They just had... They just abandoned. every finished product they had. I'm crazy.

Can you claim straight edge if you're an alcoholic that's gone sober? 100%. Of course. Look at James Heffield for two months, you know? Of course you can. You can claim straight edge. It's a personal thing.

It's for you. It's not a walled garden. No. Trying to keep people out. That's fucking... It's stupid. It's beautiful. It's vital.

It's a beautiful welcoming garden. Does this fit your macros? I think if we did the math and it's 433 grams of protein The whole thing All 200 would be 9,9,300 calories I'm sure a 200-pound guy Almost 200 pounds Eating 400 grams of protein is awful for you

Yeah, it's not good I think it's like 600 grams of fat Check my heart rate Obviously you two love each other Imagine that was the end Have you ever came close to fighting or had a serious argument. We never come close to fight, farting. We've come

very close to far away. But we've had serious arguments for sure. Yeah, any, any partners in any creative or business endeavor are going to argue but then one guy eats the nuggets one year later and everything's fine. The thing is we're in a structure where we are the boss. Yeah.

And that's really, that's new for both of us right? Yeah. So it happens. Agreed. Mount Rushmore Nuggets I just spit one out You'll take one off Yeah

That's that one Yeah Wendy's spicy Chick-filet McDonald's spicy Mm-hmm Bring it back You fucking scumbags

And You like the stars That calls from your stars And take them or leave them They remind me of like Dino Nuggets Yeah, there's kind of Dinovards and

Chick-flaue? We said that. We just said it. I do like the Shake-check chicken bits. I've never had. They're good. Very real chicken tasting.

The grilled nuggets from Chick-fil-A are unreal. I agree. They're just a little farty. As two people who work in the music industry, what would you say the most stressful or frustrating part of it is? How do you manage it? It is other people not valuing my time. which is kind of the most frustrating thing about life in general. Sure.

But like from an industry, like when you're beyond a real DIY thing for me, it's like some of the tour riding we've dealt with where it's like, oh, they're in the van for 10 hours a day who gives a shit. And it's like, well, that sucks. We give a shit and you're making money off us. So stuff like that. I would say now the actual music is so secondary. it's all about like the rollout and even like you see the biggest artist in the world's like social media it's all social media it's all it's all it's all like katy perj just went to space for social media for no reason other than to for like a billion dollar publicity

stuff was this this this this is this nugget I think no no I ate one while you were talking now now you do another okay you could be fucked up I shouldn't have been in charge of this You're doing good. I'm keeping track of you. Okay. Yeah, I just think the music being secondary, I think, is frustrating.

If it was just like, okay, I've got to write this record and then it's done and I can enjoy the spoils of it, everything would be so easy. But it's all... Guys, we got to... Now I've got to eat 200 nuggets

just to promote his band, you know? My band does not sanction this in anyway. Your band would join you, then. True. surely there were people back in the day in the 80s who thought that the music was secondary and that it was a place to be and it was a thing to do sure the difference is social media the accessibility of this thing you think that you think it started with michael jackson revolutionizing the music video kind of like changing what a music the idea of music video

and like like the first dominole yeah like MTV uh uh Like kind of fully revolving around music videos on television being like, okay, I guess now we're making videos all the time. Yeah, that's the first. Yeah. Because like, when you're only listening to the radio, you can't see who it is. You're going to have the mega hit. I don't know what half my favorite artists look like.

One of my favorite quotes from Rollins is him talking about Pink Floyd, and he thought they were just like druids in a tower. Like, they had no concept of what they looked like. That's awesome. And when he eventually saw it, he was disappointed. Not that by their looks, I think. It's just they're not droods in a town. Yeah.

How awful do you feel so far? I'm starting to get full. Really? What I'm at. You want to know? I do want to know. 30. Jesus Christ.

I told you. You're starting to get full? I'm starting to feel like, uh-oh. Expand the tank. Do some farting. Get in there and suck some air into your ass and blow it out. We'll take a break if we have to. Two minutes.

Somebody said, what makes this time different? Bo's doing it this time. It's great. That's it. Also, I never claimed to be able to do this. I claimed 60s, and I'm halfway there. You're doing great. What's your favorite cover you've ever played in any band?

Harmsway covered We Just Might by You for Today in Drop Me. That's cool. That's very cool. We've done a lot. A lot. never got to see you do Gravity or the only living witness cover which was pretty early on it was very early

yeah um gravity I don't think I think we played live once really yeah and it was in Europe and Martin from high viz sang a big part of it really which was cool yeah um

in terms of played live oh kickback Forever War in Paris that got us That was so cool that they offered us Hellfest like that day. So that was cool. No shit. Yeah. You think Hellfest organizers fuck with Kickback?

They were there. Yeah, I've talked to him about Kickup. Pretty cool. Yeah, they're Corbyn. At Aftershock, I was there years later, and I heard a guy speaking French in the backstage area. And I was like, you fuck with Kickback? And he was like, yes, of course. Really?

A book Hellfast. I love Kickback. And I was like, dude, you put. me on Hellfest because we covered kickback and he was like, I did, yeah. That's literally what happened. Is the four-beat snare into blast beats the coolest thing ever? Like da-d-d-gat-d-gag-gag-gag-gag-gag-gag-gag-gag-gag-gag-g. Of course.

You know what? I'll throw on top of that that I think is the coolest, is when it's that beat, and it's just like, jung-jum-jum-jum-jong. Yeah, I like that. I like... I like some, like, what did they go. Oh, yeah, that's good. Bada-da-da-da-d-d-d-d-d- into like a crazy deep-beat part.

Whatever. What do you want to do? How long did you wait to have a nugget after the first attempt? I did not eat a nugget of any kind for six months. And I, the salt, man. You're gonna eat. I got water. I'm getting like sweating.

We're in my living room, by the way, and I got water. I don't need some of that. I'm you jealous. This is the first nugget I've had since. You're trimmed, dude. New Year's slunderman. They don't fit the macros, but we hit chess today.

We hit the gym today. Yeah, that's true. Music biopic, you'd like to see Made, fancast, the band director. I literally can't because I think it's going to come true, which is crazy. You didn't hear it from me. Oh, there we go.

Oh, that was good. Was that a new nugget? Yes. Not bad. What about you, music biopic you'd like to see Made? Mm-hmm. Look at Amway over there.

It's so cozy. She's so cozy. You want a night guy? You want like 50? That's my cat. She's actually a fucking demon from hell. She's always been sweet to me. See that paw?

It's pure evil. There will surely be an Ozzy biopic after he passes. Yeah. And if it's done well, I think it could be sick. I agree. That's a crazy story. The Randy Road shit. Sharon being the fucking mob, basically.

The fucking Sabbath. You know, like, There are, that's a three-part. That's a true. Jakey Lee. He's got to be in there. He'll probably be the villain in that story somehow. Hey, bro, fuck in the moment.

Them doing the voice is going to be crazy. Okay. Mount Rushmore death metal bands, Jesus Christ. We've definitely done that before. We've done it, yeah, Morven Angel, cannibal corpse, bull thrower. So he's the fourth one. And it's suffocation for me. That's what I would have guessed.

I'll say, cannibal, morbid angel, both are intubbed. There you. Yeah. Bo and Colin Band win. It's true. It's any worse, honestly. We're very inspired at the moment. And I would say based on the last, like, three weeks of episodes, it's kind of easy

to tell what we've been inspired by lately. So it's going to sound like that. So enjoy. If you pay attention. So, like, our Instagram stories of the shirts we're buying. It's a good indicator. Bo, what is your favorite colonism? And Colin, what is your favorite bo-ism?

Oh, that's interesting. You have a voice that you do, that you and your wife do, that I think is funny every time. And we see a little dog on the street? No, you'll be like, yeah, that's the cat. She's fucker. Like, you guys just have this, like, and it's always funny to me. You say that's a problem about stuff? It's a problem.

You'll be like, and then they'll forget this. And that's a problem. And I like that. And also, of course, my whole bit. I get it, I got it. Yeah. That's very you.

I still, what sucks is that story. I haven't ticked this in a while. You missed one, the last one. Stephen will figure it out in course. Um, on the European tour that we did together, I sprang awake and was speaking in my sleep. And I said, I get it. I got it. And then I went right back to sleep.

And that is something that. It's so you. It's been like robbed from my lexicon, though, because I don't want to be sleeping bow. But I say it still. Oh, it's the most you. I believe that immediately. I liked it. Let's see.

Why do we park in a driveway and drive in a parkway? Americans don't drive in a parkway, brother. That's, that's, you do that down under. They got parkways in New York. Yeah, we don't, but we don't, we don't claim those here, okay? Hardlore Fest should be a thing, thoughts? Scary. Sounds like a pain in the ass.

Scary. It's a scary idea. Do you guys have to like, we just want to be a video zine, you know? Yeah, really. We want to be an archive of shit that we think is dope. But the amount of work that goes into doing a fest well. Yeah. And like we would only want to do it really well.

It's a lot. It's a lot. Scary. But are you excited for the close gasket tour? I've been looking forward to doing a U.S. tour for like several months now because we've done so much flying and international stuff. And full of hell sick. Cruelty is fucking sick. Click is sick.

Jarhead sick. It's all going to be done. It's a great tour. It's a great tour. Good routing. And then it's kind of buffered too by like Sonic Temple and a show with Converge and Milwaukee Metal Fest. Like there's all this stuff all in one. Can't wait.

Totally. Agreed. What is your favorite Joker in Bellatro? I really like the baseball bat guy that adds, I think it's 1.5 multiplier to every uncommon Joker that you have. Right now I'm trying to beat. the black deck where you get an extra joker. So that

allows for him, so you're kind of like if you get him, you got five jokers and if you get all uncommon ones, it's crazy. Damn. So I really like that guy and I really love the one that's like replicate the one next to it. That's my favorite. That's I think the most OPE. It's so Opie.

And then the one, the one I like, I play the deck generally. My main deck is the no face cards one. Really? Why is that? Because you generally get a Joker that is either like all cards or face cards and then that one's dope or

or the multiplier for every hand with no face cards you get point 25 X every hand oh and it just or it's like point one or something 0.01 so by like anti 6 you're at times 3

every time I also really like the red card that you get it's at 0.25 per pack open and no cards. I think it's plus plus three. Plus three malt per discard. And you can really, and then if you get the...

I'm at plus 100, by the... You would you either replicate one? Yeah, that with a times multiplier on the back. You're killing it. It's game on it. What's your favorite, like, hand to play? Two pairs is like the hand. Really?

To me. Full House has been my recent. But it's... That kills. you late in the game. Because you're like, okay, all I have to do is get a full house and you're discarding shit left and right so

that you get a full house. Blotro is for people without context. One of the greatest, it's not only, it's not just a card game. It is one of the greatest human innovations in the past 20 years, I would say. It has made, like flight air travel go by

so fast. You can get it on your phone, get it on your computer, anything. I like flushes. You're a flush man? Do you do the Joker where you only need four? It's a good one. That one rocked with a forehand. Yeah.

And then the skip. No, there's one where clubs and spades are the same. O'er hearts and diamonds are the same. So like flushes are nothing. And then you get Jupiter, Jupiter, Jupiter, Jupiter, Jupiter. Come all. Interesting. You guys got to play Bellatro.

That's the best. What am I at? When are you at? Yeah. That's a great question. You're at 40. That's it? That was 10?

Yeah. I think so. This. This fuck. We'll review. We'll see in the footage. You're doing great. I'm thoroughly impressed that you ate this money. Thanks, man. Times two plus eight.

Yeah. The most of these I've ever eaten. And also, I haven't eaten since. What time did we get dull? Last night. Like five. They're new last night. So I haven't eaten in basically 24 hours.

Yeah. And I feel awful. I'm very impressed that you did this. I at one point at my largest was eating, would eat 40 at a time. No problem. No problem. With fries and like probably a McDonald.

Well, funny that you say that because somebody said, Bo is someone who has just begun my fitness journey in my mid-20s, seeing your transformation has been very inspiring. You're killing it, that's all. You're going to burn these off, no problem. Taylor said, that's funny, my brother, thinking that it was me doing this, said, not a question, but I think he was.

will eat even less this time. He's right. He is right. I will eat one. Not bad. Was that better than the ones you had? About the same. Okay.

Yeah. Good. And these were fresh. Yeah. Best or worst show you've ever played. Best and worst show you've ever played. Worst feel so mean. We've answered this before, though.

Yeah, but it's fun to revisit because we always, I was going to say when we were filming what we did yesterday, you'll find out about that in a week. When we ask people, there are four records, we should always give ours, because I bet they'll change every single time. That's true. You know what I mean?

I don't even remember what I said. That's what I'm saying. I think that's kind of fun. Like the letter mosh will kind of always change. Best show we've ever played. Probably when Harvestwood, the record released at the Metro. Yeah, that's cool.

That was really sick. We have some cool stuff coming up at the end of the year that I can't talk about yet, but that's really going to be something too. Worst show? Worst show is the one where James broke his arm during. Yeah, that's awesome. After one John had already quit,

and then the other John quit after the show, and James had a broken arm. I was playing no Johns left. No Johns. What about you? Best was probably first sound and fury back for God's hate and first sign of fury back for twitching tongues. Worst was Bruckinson's a ball about the Colbaughal Cafe. Zero paid.

Horrible. Somebody said, what made it awesome despite the circumstances? Absolutely nothing. This was the show with the, are we doing water? No, not tonight.

What made it awesome is James broke his arm like two songs in. Finish the set. Drove home. With the broken arm to prove to himself

that he was okay. And then we did a tour, we left for a tour five days later and he just had a cast the whole tour. and like you see those pictures of Hepfield do you know where he's got a cast because he broke his arm skateboarding

and like those are cool so we have a little bit of that there's some pictures out there of it that is cool uh big Brian no same nugget all right so you're at 43 I won't count the next one sorry

I also counted one of that one I eight so you're at 42 um when will there be a warning appreciation episode I think I would love to have Patrick from Morning and 40 Watts Sun on or some sort of top 10 Doom Bands Records episode. That would be fun. I think we're just really into HC right now.

Very niche HC. And also, you know, something I want to address, I want to course correct a little because I feel I've steered many people in the wrong direction. Explain. You know, I've said something the other day about how like circle, in California are like out of style right now and young people were responding like circle pits suck or something and like circle pits are uniquely hardcore invented in California like you need to take pride in this beautiful thing we have they are for hardcore music everybody else has has adopted them in the wrong way they're

ours they're for us four fast parts in hardcore music and I just I think I blame myself with the spin kicking and the ghosts and all that The ghosts. Spin kicking in the haunted places and stuff. I hear about this. Let's rank from stage what you think looks the coolest. Pack show people going nuts. There's circle pits.

There's push pits. There's hardcore dancing. The people are skankin lately. And when the whole fest is skankin, it is. It's crazy. It looks beautiful. It's the best. Yeah.

But a gigantic caliantic. California Circle Pit used to, like, if you look at like a suicidal tendencies video, they're walking in a circle the entire time. Just going. And it looks fucking awesome. There's always like a little cover in the beer. If a room is truly packed, so packed that someone couldn't spin a spin kick, a push pit looks so sick. I think it looks awesome. I think a scarce violent pit looks like shit.

The worst. When there's five guys really violently moshing and everybody else is scared, it looks terrible. It looks terrible. When everybody's moshing hard as fuck, like dying fetus in the trenches, FYA. That was so... That looked unbelievable. Fucking cool. Yeah.

Can I get that other Sprite? Yeah. I'm going to have a one-on-one. No, you wait. I'm going to do a talking ahead with the camera. Okay. This is one of the worst decisions I've ever made. I knew I couldn't do this.

I predict the 60s, there's no way I'm making it. Even in, maybe to 50. Maybe to 50. What fuck is going on? Oh, I put it over. I want to put one over there. It's over there on the, uh, that little... Perfect.

Perfect. Don't cachet. Thank you so much. Can't dig into any more of these delicious nuggets without it. Let's see. Man, what do we got? Switch two thoughts. I'll get one.

Yeah, I'll get one. You know what's crazy? is that the regular switch is 300 bucks and the OLED is 350 why would you not I have the non-olid one because I just have always had it and the switch to first one is not OLED

come on bastards they know exactly what they're doing they know what they're doing man and I they got me there's a new Mario card what am I going to do yeah not I need to be the best same um

oh yeah it's good good stuff huh My head hurts. I have like a headache. What do you both do when it comes to cardio? I walked for 15 minutes before this. That's it? Like in general, though.

What's your cardio choice? How long and what incline? Well, I do 40 minutes every time, of course. Rocky. Yeah, walking or a bike if I'm really trying to do something. I'll tell you one thing. On tour, I don't do any cardio. You don't need to.

I don't need to. Bust in my ass for a half hour. Another day, another dollar. Very good. Biohazard. My favorite, I'm a big hiking guy. I love it. Inclined treadmill.

I'll go, if it's a 15, if it's a 10, I'll go 10. If it's a 15, I'll go like 12, 12. And a half. This is a PSA for the inclined treadmill people. If you're hanging on for dear life to an inclined treadmill, you are no longer inclined. Right. The incline comes from fighting uphill.

Like the shape of your body needs to physically be inclined trying to fight up the incline. If you're holding yourself, you become leveled with the incline, thus no longer incline. I'm saying this for your benefit. Okay. Trustable. Wow. I think about it. Every time I see an incline, I'm like, you're not inclining.

You're not, you might as well walk flat if you're holding on an incline trail. I hold on, but just for the heart mate, you know, the heart meter. That's fine. I don't like hold on. But when people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're holding on and you're still not leveled with it, you should be fine. Okay. I've never thought about it.

Yeah. You're no longer inclined. Who does the better James Hetfield? Yeah, between you two. It's for sure you. You summon headfield sometimes. There's a, at the end of Sandman, like when it like, in the music video, it's the truck. He does like a yeah.

And it's so fucking. Is that your like Discord? sound or something? It was, um, I had on the, on the roadcaster, I had like, that was one of your buttons, yeah. That was one of your buttons. Yeah. That sound, you just did it so well that I remember. I, the actual sound came. And then the, boom. I like when you do the let loose, man. Oh, oh yeah, lose, man. That's perfect. That's EnterSatman, S&M, pause this, pull that up. Yeah. Just let it play. You'll hear exactly what I'm talking about. Let loose, man. That's so good.

What the fuck was he talking about? I don't know. Did one or both of you ever have a dinosaur phase? There was a book that you would get from, like, the book fair, school-a-stic, like, book club or whatever? The school-a-stic. You remember what I'm talking about? The skull-a-stic. Is it scolastic?

I like the school-a-stic book fair, man. Let loose. I never read, I guess. But at the end of the first night in a while, right? Oh, yeah. At the end of the, this is going to be the last for a while. At the end of the dinosaur book, there was like a piece of a dinosaur. And over time, you build a skeleton of T-Rex.

I was into that for a little bit. Lamb of Four Time made me really sad. Yeah, I didn't like that. Really sad. Yeah, I mean, I love Jurassic Park. One, two, three. But other than that, I wasn't like into dinosaurs. My dad showed me the first Jurassic Park and when Samuel Jackson's arm falls on her.

You were scared of the show. You were a scared-ass kid. I was afraid of everything And he had to stop it Scared asking a little boy What's the best Moshable Metallica song? That's a great question

Yeah I mean Blackand has a legit breakdown Yeah absolutely Like thrashers were thrashing to that song Um King Nothing has a actual mosh part I think Belfold's intro obviously

Belto's intro Harvestor intro come on dude unbelievable what kind of stuff is popping up on your Instagram Explore pages today

let's see no comment let's see what's on mine I got there's it right now there's a title fight hoodie a little puppy dog got this

oh that's all right I got a bunch of watches and I got oh this dude there's this country duo popping up on my feed every day they're like young

yeah they're young guys and they have a song and goes it's waking up busting your butt trying to earn a little extra pay and I sing it so it's so I'm gonna find it

okay I got it's waking up your bus trying to earn a little extra pay and all the comments are brutal oh to the creed for a fish

day it's all the comments are like a widow extra prepay it's brutal it comes up every day I watch it

every time I got a lot of Coachella stuff I had Blink Winnie 2 getting off stage for some

reason have some streamer stuff oh there's Bernie oh that's a good one burning with

the Misfits stuff with the amps it's pretty cool what could have been you know where's the fabled

911 episode that was such a good idea remind me I think oh this is the guy I bought the 911 strip front. That's crazy. No shit.

Yeah, I planned to do a 9-11 episode with various musicians asking them where they were. That's awesome. That's great. 9-11, 2025, it's coming. That's great. With great respect. It's one of the... It's a defining moment in the world.

In the world, yeah. If you were, what, seven and above? Yeah. Yeah. You remember. What have been in track and field, could you currently stand a chance in competing? Well, I'd beat his ass in the fucking 40. He did. He did.

Good now, though. We should do it again. Long jump. I'm an unbelievable long jumper. Would you do the two legs forward thing? Oh, yeah. Yeah? Oh, yeah. I don't know why. And I would have to start low.

I think I could pull a vault. Was that a nugget? Yeah. Thank you. Good call. I think I could do it. But they go upside down first. It's great. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like what they're doing.

It's great. I'm not in the pole vaulting. What else is there? High jump. Javelin? Javelin is shot put. Shot put. Shot put rules.

A hammer throw? Or they like... That shit rocks, too. Yeah, I would say I'm one of the best long members in the world. Anything but running. Yeah. What song from each other's catalog would you like to cover? The good ones.

Dude, I feel all. You're good. You're doing great. I would love to do a safe space version and sing it, you know? That'd be good. Yeah. I would do... I feel like Harmsway to finish the job would go crazy. Oh, that's crazy.

That would be sick. That would be really sick. Yeah, that good answer. I was thinking twitching immediately, but you're right. That would just maybe translate a little bit. Well, I would say. But then you'd James is a great saying.

He's a great singer, bro. Top three favorite movies. That's an excellent question. Let me think about it over this. Caddy Shack? You love to. The thing. A little shop of horror.

That's. Easy. Wow. Okay. Lord of the Rings. I don't care which one. Come on down here. You want some nugget?

The Godfather? Probably part one. That tail just went straight in the buffalo Right in that sauce. And let's go for a little levity. Big Lebowski. That's a great pick. I already counted that.

Well, Colin, be coming to Furnace Fest. It's during the God's Day Tour, which we just found out. Sadly. Possibility of a tribal gaze episode, inevitable. A new record on nuclear blast soon I've heard the whole thing I can promise you It may be my

How many? 49 Oh minus two, so 47 because there was one No, no I didn't count one 48 because one was mine I'm gonna do two more

No no you're good Oh I'm doing two more I'm gonna throw up Good I threw up Stephen you get those out of my fit Oh but thank you Thank you

You threw up when you were done Yeah, I know. Yeah. That's how I knew how I was done. I've heard the Tribal Gage record. It is maybe my favorite recorded guitar tone in history. No shit. The deepest palm mutes I've maybe ever heard. Shogongong, gong, it's crazy. Who recorded it?

Taylor. Home of the perfect palm. What he does. What was the last thing that made you cry from laughing? I can tell you that immediately because it was yesterday. This is a great story. My wife very famously misquotes and misremembers people's names, like celebrities and I've got a whole Twitter thread about it.

Here it is. Yesterday, the newest one, I asked if she had seen the movie Fred Clause, which is a Christmas movie starring Vince Vaughn, Paul Giamatti, and Ludacris. Because I think Ludacris' tiny body in the movie is hilarious. She said, the one with Bobby Lee. And I said, I don't think Bobby Lee's in that movie.

She was like, Bobby Lee, he's in the movie. And I was like, who are you thinking? She goes, Bobby Lee Jones. And then showed me a picture of Billy Bob Thornton in Bat Sanda. And I was driving and weeping. Crying. Yeah. Bobby Lee Jones.

Bobby Lee Jones was fucking crush me. Let's see. Scariest moment either of you have had in the woods or outdoors. You've seen an alien, straight up. There was one time. I don't know if I've told the story before, but we were driving west. Like the overall trip was Montreal to Vancouver.

So we were just somewhere in like, I don't know, middle of Canada. I don't even know it's there. Saskatchewan or whatever. And we saw light. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the end. No, no, this is a different one.

That was on the Kuwokon tour where the lights. And then we never saw where they came from. But in this one, we saw light. And I thought it was like, you know how. out in the middle of northern there will be like a concrete plant and it's just like really lit up or like an oil refinery or a logging camp or something we were kind of in the woods

and we again did see it and then I saw it move and pulled over and it was just the northern lights and it was like one of the most beautiful I've ever seen it was awesome but it was creepy but it was cool okay so it immediately went from scary to oh wow don't say that

don't give up what would John Cena do he just doesn't want to have to help me what would John Cena do He would not do that. He would never give up. He may. He would do anything for content, too. I don't know that I've had a scary moment.

I've never been scared outdoors. Only inside. Yeah. Horrifying. I've been scared on an airplane watching the Babadook for the first time. Wow. I was deeply unsold. That's probably like a green flag to that filmmaker.

I really felt genuinely unsafe watching the Babaduq. on a full flight. I was so safe. And I was, I felt unsafe. Best venue or festival in Europe. Wow. Played a lot of really nice ones on the Snack Blues tour. The big one, the one in Brussels,

I will never remember their names because they're all like in the whatever language it is. The big one in Brussels was so fucking nice. The catering was amazing. The staff was cool. And it's in the middle of like cathedral area. go. So you just walk outside and you're in the most beautiful place.

Fest is Hellfest all the way and outbreak. Outbreak is fantastic. I'm dying to go to Northern Unfest. Dying to do. We've got to go there. Venue, I really wish the shows I played at Arena Ween were good because the compound is so sick. It's so sick. But I've never played anything good there.

We played together at Dinow in... Yeah, we're banned from there. that's where we're banned from not us no no I think you're fine we're literally banned because of the food or something because of a man appeal or something

I don't know allegedly maybe some grapes so sensitive it's just grapes you know sour grapes uh Matt Rushmore

gym movements oh great question yeah shoulder press I'll tell you right now lat raises yeah particularly if you can find the machine to do it so you're not. I never do the machine.

There's no strain on your forearm, so it feels really nice. It's very comfortable, and it gets you just this pump. Shoulder press. Shoulder press? Love a shoulder press. When you have a good bench day, you feel like the strongest person. So I love a good bench.

And then, oh, any bicep curl, preacher curl? I love a rope curl. Oh, yeah. guy that one makes me feel massive that's a good one because I love a barbell curl too and and uh

what's the guy the trainer who was like only trained to max from the 70s you trained it to maximum effort for 30 minutes a week menser I think Mike Menzer um said to only ever use flat or straight barbell

never an easy bar because that's more of the brachialis only flat that's all I love it I know because it's more comfortable but That's the point. Okay. Good to know. Tricep, straight bar push down. Strongest men in the world.

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and why oh that's a beautiful that's a great question i is your brother mine's probably my brother he has a win i feel really good yeah yeah my wife too obviously obviously yeah i think wives a partner should be probably that's best a given um it's sappy but probably my mom yeah she's gone through a lot of shit and she's like working for shakot like four the city doing law and like doing the shit she wants to do. I'm very proud of her. You're really, you're really giving up right now?

Yeah, I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room. You want me to get up? I don't want you to peek in the toilet. You want me to puke in the toilet and continue to one? Well, keep doing it until you have to puke as well. I'm two more and that's going to happen. I'm not joking.

That's good. You said it like it's a bad thing. I'm telling you. You didn't do this. Me peaking on into, I didn't choose to puke. I stood up and, And it was the best feeling I've ever felt.

You didn't stand up and vomited. We did it in my room. You went to your... I stood up and was like, oh, I'm going to throw up. I better go to my room. I got on my hands and knees and scrub that toilet. I got all the skids off so that you would have a clean bowl of people. You only did that because you destroyed it.

I'm standing up, see if I got a pew. That's good. I did that plenty. Pass me a... It felt good. All right, here we go. It feels better standing, I'll tell you what. Doesn't it?

A little bit. Muffman. Mount Rushmore pre-breakdown callouts or skank parts. I really don't care about those. There's the side-by-side Alex in Backfire. That's sick. Mano-no-no-no-na-no-na-o. It's kind of part of the song, so it's not really a call-out, but to push it away.

Ah, yeah, Bala. Dude. It's not like a call-out like they're asking, but that came to mind. Oh. I like the harness. This is a local favorite. Harness, strangle yourself, you fucking coward. It was a really good one.

Head, but, some broken glass. That's cool. That's a good one. If you were cryogenically frozen and sent forward in times, what's 100 years? What's one album you take with you? Can't take much of color. Fine. Probably Bjork.

homogetic. Okay. Very nice. Me? Faith in the War Angel does. Great pick. Because that's, I gotta show that to the to those future freaks, you know, the cybernetic warriors

of the future. This is sync. Jiz Lomber. Let's see. Yes, what? You're dead. Oh, what new bands are we listening to these days?

I like the dynamite record that just came out. I haven't checked it out yet. It's fucking awesome. I do plan to. There's a band, a new band called Morning Star. I think they're from the IE. It sounds like Camelmasse with a female singer. They sent me their demo.

They said that they looked up YouTube videos to record it and mix it themselves. Oh, that's sick. It's fucking awesome. I respect that. Isaac put out two new bands. I really, like, couldn't be me. Oh, cool. I think that's fun.

Yeah, that's awesome. I like that he was like, I'm going to do two bands, all me. At the same time. At the same time, same day, different genres. Fucking maniac. The self-arrest demo is really cool. It's Boston type shit, step forward and whatnot. About Face demo is really awesome, as we said last year.

Start Today is awesome. Hereditary from San Diego is awesome. Obviously, all the bands on our roster, Cosmic Joke. fire starter Monroe Siodon from Detroit you'll hear

a little more about them soon a little ditty yeah do you great questions uh best you're done

you can't keep going okay did I say well you did best dessert to get Fass food spots

oh fucking bullshit a milkshake a vanilla milkshake yeah you don't need anything

much anywhere. I will say, let's talk about the McFlurry for a second. It's called for no reason. It's called a Mick Flurry, right? Because the proprietary spoon that came with it is put in a machine and flurried together to mix the toppings in.

It's part of the machine. About five years ago they stopped the flurry. They dump them on and give it to you. Do better. Did the machine really start breaking or are they just being lazy? That's fucking horseshow. I've heard that they're hard to clean. I think what I heard was it is a cleaning thing, but there's a self-cleaning thing that takes like eight hours, and they will do it at dinner time.

Get fucked. This is an interesting question. I can't wait. I don't know that I have an answer. What is your favorite thing about an airport? Panda Express. If that's an option, I'm there. The Newark Airport has such a good Panda Express.

it's a little cliche and cheesy but but one of my favorite things lately and i've been flying a bunch recently is just watching how inept clueless brainless and like truly selfish the average person yes and what's awesome or not awesome but but like the counterpoint to that is the people who you can tell fly a lot you can tell fly a lot are like Pro. There's a, I think it's the movie, oh, the Clooney monologue and up in the air about who to spot when you're getting in line

for security and the, and like the belt is very real. Yeah. Like you look for the guy, the experienced people who pack light you get behind them rather than the old ass fucking guy, the kids, there's there's really like, it's a real,

it's a smart system. TSA pre-check and global entry are revolutionary air Precheck is unbelievable. I hope less people get it. Yeah. Stop getting pre-check. You should stop.

Get out of my long. Let that one expire. Yeah. Aye. This is a crazy question. Top five guitar players in all time. Great.

Love it. Jimmy Page. If there's, I like to say there's Mount Rushmore's and then there's like the sky and clouds. That's Jimmy Page to me. He is end all, be all. Less Paul player,

Shredder, Riffer. Mysterious, magic, so fucking dope. I love Jimmy Page. Headfield, obviously. I mean, in terms of all

music, him singing and playing rhythm guitar that way, should be impossible. We were just talking yesterday about how Mega Death, while not really my thing, so much, is objectively incredible.

The fact that, yeah, please. The fact that Mustaine can do play that and sing that it's nuts uh so anyway page headfield Eddie Ben Hamlin Pete Townsend unsung fucking hero

of mine and probably probably dime bag the groove it's not just the shreddy I'm not like a shreddy guy you know what I mean so I don't really care

but you know what I think the the sign is you can hum a Pantera solo. And that is the sign. That's the sign of like, oh, you're not just making noise, you're adding to the song. It's a melody that's going to stick with you. I also think as good as he is at shredding,

he does more with less, better than most people. Oh, dude. What he can do with an open note and a wah pedal is crazy. Also, the grooves that he was adding, like, listen to Primal Concrete Sledge. There's no snare that. Hold of. You know what I'm talking about?

It's just... That's brother's shit. Yeah, yeah. That's two brothers being like, what do we do this, man? Oh, man, that's pretty. What if I don't hit the snare, man? Just keep time.

And then... Love that song. What would your five be? Prince, Dimebag, Eddie Van Halen. Andy LaRoc King Diamond And Probably had filmed

I didn't say Tony I owe me Which is probably Not true He's probably in the bad Because I also respect that like he's riffing I love a riffer But Townsend means more to me personally For sure

What is a piece of Equipment or Weaponry from a video game? you would like in real life oh that's a great question dude the fucking laptop gun from perfect dark do you know that one so it's a it's a gun but you can also throw it and it flies around with you and just sick um the golden gun from golden eye and kill anybody one shop everybody all your own in the shockwave RPG from fortnight i would get where i'm needing to go so fast. Or just unlimited shockwave grenades at all time.

Imagine me getting to the show with a shock grape grenade. I'll see you later, honey. And then everybody at the show getting blasted to residualsually like, fuck, he used a shockwave grenade. Colin came again.

Me getting to stage with a shockwave grenade. But not landing lightly at all. It would be awesome I always thought that the needler Oh needler looks awesome It looks awesome and functions in a really cool way Should have been a little more

More powerful Should have hurt a little more Dual wielding needleers online though Yeah crazy Crazy style This is a great question I can't wait to hear What's an unknown band

You immediately became a fan of After seeing their set Oh that's a great question I can remember two distinct times This happened in my life Please share The first one was New England Metal Hardcore Fest

2013 second band on the show was Code Orange Kids when they were still the kids first that was the first time I actively sat and watched them the whole time and they blew my mind really? Yeah like they were playing

a bunch of the I Am King stuff way before it came out and it was different like the one of the songs on the record they did like way harder and I just remember seeing seeing these like three shirtless freaks and Riba and thinking like this is the future of music. This is crazy. Like this is so extreme.

Do they, what do they like? I like needed to know them. And that's how I met them. Wow. Was as soon as they finished, I went on stage and I was like, we got to be friends. And then I remember we all listened to In Love There's a Law in the van an hour later and became friends that day. Wow. And then another one was a band called

We Were Promise Jet Packs Open for Jimmy Eat World, the only time I saw them a long time ago. I think they're Scottish. That was one of the bands where I'd never heard a note and left like a fan. Wisdom and Chains too.

I had never heard them when we tore over them and I was obsessed after. I'm on this Australian kick, but it needs to be said again. There's a very cool young band that we played with in Melbourne called Implode

they just sound like New York hardcore and they like rocked me like I can't they don't even have a demo out I can't wait till it's out they might be out go check

beautiful the other band that really impressed me that I liked was Blood Mouth another band that I've talked about a lot from Australia absolutely

um oh dude and Cola Boy oh my I had never heard Cola Boy watching them at sound we were in all

I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. So awesome. And now I like, can't listen to it without crying. Yeah, it's really hard. Rest and peace. RIP. Truly like a legend, local legend, worldwide phenomenon.

Incredible work. Could have, could have, will be, remember forever as a legend. Does Nails have the greatest discography of album covers of all time? Album covers? They're four for sure Let's think Bullthrower might be the Kings Bullthrow has a couple really bad ones

Honor, oh is it honor? I like that one It looks like dog show I love it It's like low res I like it Bursonery is also a funny I know that one the weird Like it's just kind of

The guy I like the guy He's about to kill so many people Was it honor Honor Ballard? Valor right um v a l-o-u-r

slayer probably yeah first four they got it it's I mean it's unbelievable yeah uh our editor Steven who's sitting right there

asked why do you hate your editor and refuse to give him a 10-year disharmonie gig assume do you have any idea how hard that would be to play we haven't played I think

seven of those songs ever so we would like to do it I genuinely don't think enough people want that for it to happen top three new bands in L.A he just can't answer he's just struggling

top three new bands in L.A. Top and top three new bands in Chicago I would say staple is really good there's a new band coming out soon called Bloodshed you're going to like that and then

Firestarter of course let's go Carba who aren't exactly new but relatively home invasion nice you can only have one actor or actresses

entire filmography to watch who you're taking Leo she's Installoc huh Instilloc and Leo it's just like

let's really I think he's probably the greatest actor of our time probably when you consider how much he's done from such a young age like from Basketball Diaries and Titanic

through Hollywood I might go De Niro I think he's up there with De Niro yeah now I really now yes I really and I obviously De Niro would probably be my next one but I think I don't love deer hunter

you know what I mean I like deer hunter a lot I like it I think I think we're Leo was somebody who I grew up absolutely despised. Sure, yeah, of course. There's like a teenage, and me it was just like all the girls like Leo, so I can't like his movies.

And then the same thing happened when I was like an actual teenager for Ryan Gosling. Where Ryan Gosling was like the notebook guy. Yeah. But then you realize, oh no, he's got the, he's got the chops. And then you realize he's one of the goats. Robert Pattinson, same thing. Same thing.

It goes from Twilight Guy to fucking king, dude. Interesting. That's my Batman now. I think next up in that vein is show me. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was going to say. He bursts into the scene and you're like,

this little fucking private school fuck. Waltz is his way. Probably Nippos his way into this. And now I'm all in. I don't even, I don't think, I don't, I didn't like call me by your name. like it taking an hour for them to fuck was frustrating for me

you know yeah I was like come on give me some sauce man it really was just like as a piece of like famous queer media I wanted it to be more queer you know I wanted more out of it and the ending is beautiful and devastating

and I guess there's a sequel which is crazy I wish I liked him more but that was kind of my first real active impression of him was like obviously this kid is great yeah and now and now Dune is just what was the he was in he was a kingdom of heaven

or lost kingdom he's he's in I think it's just called the king maybe or the kingdom or something it's like a Netflix movie he's awesome in that the movie's whatever he's got bang but he's awesome and he does yeah go bar for bar with me De Niro

movies to Leo movies let's count their bangers for real I'll start and I'm gonna count Titanic okay I think it's a great movie yeah King comedy it's gonna keep track I just want to I'm curious to see who has more of like great movies okay um the departed Cape here gangs New York taxi driver you're about to smoke there wolf of Wall Street godfather too once a part of the time casino the Revenant

good fellas the aviator aviator fucking rocks so good hey meet the parents oh I get a whole I get funny

you know too Romeo and Juliet Romeo and Juliet's really good uh I say good fellas I say good fellas I say you okay

just make sure I'll count meet the parents as a franchise yeah sure um so I'm just saying because he's also got

Basketball Diaries, which is... Basketball Diaries is fine. I think it's fine. And I like it. I wouldn't count it as like a bag. Yeah. And then also the Johnny Debt movie. Like his first movie. Gilbert Grape? Yeah.

You're gonna put that up with the New York? I'm saying there are these that people love. I'm not saying they're like bangers. Sure. Yeah, there's a lot. Just saying. You're not wrong. I love Leo.

Oh, the Irishman rules. You hate that. I protest that. I love the image. I protest. And every time I watch it, it's bad. better. I'm going to watch it again. Yeah.

Even the bang is funny. Bang, bang, you're dead on the gangster. No, God's, no Masters, went. I don't think you can legally answer that, right? Yeah. Which is an answer in itself. Does Avenge Sevenfold have tracks? Not.

They do. They do. The homie John Christ was funny. John E. Christ, sorry. you got it buddy what's the the bat song

bat country that was that tore up the charts I know it was the only one I know because of that terrorized the charts much like smooth by Santana featuring I'm telling it's the same thing terrorize the charts get over it

bitch why don't be scoring so damn loud you're awake god damn what's the one movie you can only watch once and then never feel the way you did watching it like not the same twice oh like like six cents or something

maybe six cents is dope or twice dude very true anything like that where the twist changes the entire movie is fucking awesome you ever see the game the game Michael Douglass oh yeah it's fucking awesome dude yeah that it rules it rules if you haven't seen game, it's a creepy, suspenseful, but good movie, it's fucking awesome.

The game rocks. I think Mac is a big game head. Never feel the same way you did. The duel. I like how they told that story, the three times. Yeah. Oh, the last duel? Yeah, it's the Roshman. It's awesome.

You don't know who's telling the truth. That's great. That's great. Going to Japan for the first time in September, mostly Tokyo, and two to in Osaka, Kyoto, what are some most-dos? Some must-dews. I did for a good. Did you cop that one, by the way?

Yeah, you did. Yeah, no, I did, but we'll give you another one. Yeah, let it out, buddy. Dude, I will. Really? Yeah, don't do that. The sound gets you? The sound.

Must-do is in Japan. I'm going to point you in the direction of a couple meals I really like. They're both. One of them is breakfast. There's a pancake place called Binitzuru in Asakusa, Tokyo. You got to get there on 8.30 to put your name in for the day. There will be a line. Put your name in.

It's worth it. Get the custard one. Get the savory one. Get the Nutella one. Those are the best ones. That's the savory. Dude, it's like... It's like...

It's like egg all over it. Bacon. I see. And like cheese, I think. It was incredible. Down the street from that, there's a place called Emo Pee-P. I swear to God. I swear to God, it's real.

I've been there, dude. Yeah. I bet you have. That's the place with the cremelei sweet potato and the shredded Ubi ice cream. Absolutely insane. Two of my favorite desserts in the world at one place, it's cash only. So bring some cash. Bring some damn yen.

Yeah. Next family feud episode, when? maybe Saturn Fury I don't know we have another idea we have a better oh not better but like another idea that will rock that's right

what are you planning to eat after vomiting up the nuggets Indian food we're getting law merch yeah and I'm not gonna bleep that Steven we can let them have it because I want that place to last forever

true good point go go eat law merch in Studio City is the best Indian food in the world changed me crazy sentence but I swear and you can prove it I can't think about food right now, and I'm going to go.

Panir masala. Cheese non. Stop, dude. Chicken tika appetizer. Samosas. Water. He's paying. Silly music videos versus a hard music video.

You've done both. I've done both. What is your... I've only done serious music videos. I don't think a silly music video. I think the silly one I had more fun. The higher curious. Twitching Times video and the Insistarily Yours video.

That one's fucking awesome. That one's awesome. But all time, a serious one. A hard one is cool because it's like not a meme and not you trying to get over by making a joke out of your band. Let me ask you something. You was the...

Preacher Man was released separately. So was the debut single for In Love There Is No Law? In Love There Is No Law. Do you regret that? Yeah, big time. Yeah, that's a total my girlfriend's girlfriend instead of...

Like, why didn't... Because we figured Eyes of Justice Track 1, they're gonna hear it anyone. Yeah. And that's not how it works. It just isn't how it works. You gotta get them to get the record

with the hit. With a hook. It took a year for Issa Just to get a reaction. It did not get a reaction until late 2014. It's crazy. If it was the video

and the single and like, how we rolled everything out, I think it would have been different. I agree. This is what it is. What show did you miss in your youth that haunts you to this day? There was a blood for blood reunion in Pomona with Billy from Biohazard on other vocals. That's sick.

And I didn't go. Instead of Rob? Yeah. Wow. So stupid. Or instead of Buddha. I don't remember. But yeah, I really, really, really, really dropped the ball on that one.

I regret not going to see Green Day and Rancet in Briggly Field for different reasons. Yeah, that's fair. Would you take Bloodmore, too, if I meant Fortnite was deleted from existence in a fucking heartbeat, motherfucker. God damn right. I love a man of principles. Easily. That's the goat. Look at this cat.

She could not be more. Yeah, she's all right. I can give her shit, but she's all right. when we're alone we're like but when other people are over it's fucking it's beef right bitch

um favorite shoes for touring or playing shows I'm kind of all over the place these days um I'm digging the solomons lately for like everyday gym and like walking um the GTX6s I think

or whatever um but I've been just wearing samba a lot. I haven't really been too into shoes lately. I would say playing drums in New Balance 990 V3s changed my life a little bit. How so? Just so comfortable. So dynamic and responsive.

Chris plays in slip-offs like vans. Really? Always. That's a fucking freak right there. And then I genuinely wear boots when Twitching Tongues play. but occasionally it's something like the church in Philly where I'm like it's really hot

and I gotta play drums after I'll wear sneakers that's so much easier Of course you can spin kick It's like easy You're like Yeah boots are They look sick

I know but dude Every time I've There have been occasions Where I would play in like Doc Martins Yeah And I would be me So I'd be jumping around And my shin splints and like

Yeah but what is Roger singing in you know Van You think so? I know so. You don't think he's wearing Doc Martins? I saw him. He's wearing vans.

Yeah. I don't know. What's he still wearing? Boots. Yeah, but he's wearing like engineer. He's not spin kicking or moving even a little bit. Roger's moving a thousand times more than him. That is.

I'm open to suggestions, but there was a, there was a period where I wore Jordan 12s because they're all black and leather and look like boots. And that was kind of cool. That worked. But they look insane. I do like. It boots, don't get me wrong. It's just me, you know?

How do you prefer, do you prefer guitar or bass live and how are you like in your dendables? I love my donables. I'm obsessed with them. The one of one that I use for Holy Blade is like my favorite guitar ever. I would say

playing bass is the greatest musical privilege any person can experience. You know? Yeah. It's like, I'm so envious of people

to get to do that all the time. Like that's your thing? This is what you have to do? As long as you don't come unplugged, you win. You know? Yeah. It rules. How do you come up with lyrics?

I have at least 10 fully completed songs with no lyrics. Help please. That ain't, I don't know. It's been a while. Start with a cadence. I start with a title, generally. Oh, interesting. Title and a message.

and then go from that. And when you're trying to actually put words down, it's like, okay, what fits around this, you know? I really think if the riff is done, done, done, done, you want to go, ah, la, la, la. Like, it kind of speaks for itself. And I just think, like, once the ball's rolling, you'll... Once you eat one more.

That's going to be my last one. Why? Because I don't want to get... Don't want to get what? Violently. Come on, man. And it's the last one. How many?

I mean, it says 57, but who knows what it? How could that have only been 17 more? You've been slow. And I ate a bunch and counted them. Besides the new floor punch book, what are some other books you recommend music or otherwise? Collected Obsession is incredible. It's an unbelievable look at some of the greatest hardcore shirts of all time.

written by Ryan Bannahan, right? From Desper Reasures. Very cool. Check it out. Music-based books. Scream with me? Yeah, of course. Scream with me by the homie Tom B.

Check out the 12 hits episode. It's awesome. I don't think you can buy that anymore. So if you've got it, you've got yourself a collector's item. Will there be another pet peeves episode, possibly with a guest? That's a hilarious. It would be really funny to like find, like, known prick joins us on a peep episode. To find out what they hate.

You know? Yeah. Probably not. Wasn't that a Patreon? I think we did it again, yeah. Yeah, we did it on Patreon. So check that out. It's very fun. And then we did one about stuff we like.

Love this. That one was fun. That one was awesome. Yeah. Um, no, I don't care. This is a good question from Luke. If you watch the original interview episodes compared to the newer ones of hard lore, you can tell the interview style and the format of the episodes is much smoother and all around better.

As the show gets older, were you making a cognizant effort to make the show better? Yes. Before the big interview episodes now, this is kind of why they're like, I wouldn't say more rare, but they stress me out because I'm writing them. Like physically, I'm writing every question. I'll have eight notes, like eight bones. like eight bullet points of like things to talk about quite maybe questions I've always had whatever he's got

you scroll yeah I've got I've got a large document I pull from which is maybe why I'm I'm really comfortable with the Zoom ones because it's really easy to just like okay that's next time my gigantic document but yeah I do extensive pre-writing before every episode

that we do now which is good but it just makes them all a little more work if you had to Reenact one scene or stunt from Jackass. Which one are you taking? The one where they throw up. Just any of them.

There's the one where Bam throws up on, is it Rab himself's face or something? Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. I love Jackass. We never really talked about Jackass. I love K-Y. C-K-Y.

I love C-K-Y, C-K-Y 2K. Yeah. The Jack-Ass Show, the movies, the Point Fives. I like Wild Boys. I never fucked with Evil to B. Me, too. I thought it was too mean. to fill a little a little too mean

fun slayer plays that's cool but I got fucking slayer in the backyard I love jackass as a premise I think Chris Pontius might be the funniest I used to see him all the time that's so cool

did you ever talk to him never yeah he would always be coming out of the tanning with as I was entering wing stop real yin yang situation this is great question if you could time travel to any historical event to gain the absolute truth about it,

where would you go and would you expose the truth once you came back in real time? Yeah. I would go to the crucifixion of Christ. There you go. Great answer. 100%. That's, that's, is there a greater question? No, because if it's real, then literally nothing else matters.

Yeah. I am now a devout apostle of Christ, right? If I watch him get crucified and however many days later, that motherfucker comes back, I'm a Christian. Of course. Like straight up. And you'd be burned alive or crucified again, but whatever.

So apart from that, I harp on this a lot. I would go to Dallas and see what happened with Jave K. He would say, I get behind that fence. Would you, when you got back, you would you, you would tell all? Yeah, you know what I would do? I would. I would make my way to the various places. and I would like

write a book and like maybe plant some evidence that could be dug up once my book came out to be like independently investigate this kind of thing but I'd bump shoulders

with old Jimmy files behind the fence I'd look up in the book pot of the... You don't think you would have gotten shot? You got murked. There were people everywhere whereas me I would have been picketing against Jesus because I didn't believe his bitch ass

Jimmy was in a police officer uniform. Oh. Would you have a police officer uniform? No, but I'm just saying I would like, you know, I'd be like, yeah, there's a guy. And there's, huh, there's nobody in the book depository or in the jail. Hmm. And then I'd go like, what's umbrella man doing? What's Babushka lady doing?

I'd be out there. He'd be broken all over the place. He really would. Yeah. Probably that. That's a great question. That's a great answer. And then, dude, there was a meeting, a fly on the wall thing I would like, is there was once a meeting between Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin?

Actual meeting? Yeah, like just an actual meeting pre-war. Okay. And maybe Stalin was there. It was just like border stuff and like what we're going to do. But Mussolini was the only when we spoke everyone's language. Whoa. Oh, it was, it was Chamberlain.

So how do you, Mussolini could have been? been fucking around. And people think he was. And I would have loved to be like, what's he doing? What are you up to? Yes. No, he's lying. He said you're a bitch. Greatest side dish of all time. The mozzarella

stick. Oh, dude. The fucking Chili's mozzarella dipper. Oh, that thing is deadly. Deadly. The thought of that right now is horrible. Yeah. You should eat one. Eat one more. I'm not going to eat one more. Probably. I think you should. Probably

Oh, so I can't like feel it. Is your body rejecting it? Not literally. Hmm. Because that's why I stopped. I couldn't salivate anymore. Oh, I mean, I'm getting that. My body rejected any, putting anything back in.

I'm getting that, and I'm out of drink. A lot of drink. Let me get you some water. No, I'm literally so full of water. Do you want to die a coat? I don't want a die of it. It would be good. You'd like it?

I got enough in me right now. This is all going to come right out. You think so? Yes. Well, I want to force it. That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to love it. Let me make you puke.

They'll love it. I'm not doing that. How much time? What are we at, Stephen? That's my cat's feeder. Don't worry about that. Soup's on. Oh, hour and a half.

That's good. We're great. It's good. Okay, we only have a few more questions. Perfect. My heart rate has been in about 100 this whole time. Has it really?

Yeah. That's so awesome. Bow and Colin's supplement stacks. Great question. lately I'll do a probiotic 95 that's insane a probiotic AG1 is in the beginning of the day of course

all my essential probiotics and prebiotics are in there I don't need anything else but I take an extra and I take an extra one just in case because Rocky recommended it to me a digestive enzyme I saw that in your closet huge really what's that do for you helps me digest shit does it though enzymeically

because I'm good dude my I'm on point oh yeah do you remember the text message you sent me this morning? That was from something else. And I quote, shitting crazy style. That doesn't mean bad. It's a lot. I think the follow-up was I'm squirting. No, sprains.

I didn't take my end on to it. Oh, surely. And then I really like the stage flight. I think it's the load in. Load in is the pill, right? Yeah. Right? Or is it lock-in? Lock-in is the powder, I think. I think. Sorry, Craig. It's load in.

Load in is my favorite one. The morning one. The morning one. I love that one. Yeah, that one's good. You feel... I'm really into it. It makes me very good.

And then creatine. And then creatine. Yeah. The concrete pill version. Oh, interesting. It's five milligrams. Yeah, but how many pills? Two.

Oh, nice. One before, one after. Wow. It's incredible. Have you been seeing the stuff about taking more than five? No. They're saying that 10 to 20 is actually ideal for most people 200 pounds and up. Really?

for brain saturation really that's my algorithm buddy oh wow mine is biggest Matt minus three thousand dollar hands of Baccarot god

yeah creatine in the morning age 1 in the morning creatine in the morning as soon as I wake up really yeah it doesn't matter when you take it it does not matter there's no difference I try to take it within a one hour window of working out

I'm sure that's fine but like you know that Mike Israel guy, short muscle guy, bald head, very scientific about how he talks about muscle movement, very jacked. Watch the whole thing where he's like, it just doesn't matter. Okay. Vitamin K drops, I do a an iodine drop because I heard I should.

I don't know, I haven't really noticed anything, but that's on the agenda. And then magnesium before bed. Okay, that helps you, that gives you crazy dreams. If I take, so the dose is two, I take one. Because I get scaled. The, I think the healthiest I ever was was when I was eating a shit ton of salmon every day which has a lot of omega-3s in it.

I don't take an omega-3 supplement but I think I've like physically proved that I respond really well to omega-3s so something to think about. Thoughts and feelings on misfits at Coachella. Um, who gives a shit? I mean, it's deserved it's one of the greatest bands ever. Yeah, and like...

I saw a really funny clip where he's, like we know a lot of songs what do you guys want to hear and it's basically like nonsense coming back and he goes here's Hollywood Babylon that's good I don't know I love that band

I don't care what they do I don't like they should play everything they want to play they should get every bag they never got 30 years ago and they 40 years ago when they started all this shit you know Mount Rushmore hardcore albums to get people into hardcore.

Why don't you take one more nugget while we answer this question? Okay. What were you going to say? Matt Rushmore Hardcore albums to get people. And this isn't like, I do think the average person who's like into TikTok deathcore, I can't just give them bad brain self-titled age of quarrel. Totally. You know?

I got to work them in the right way. Satisfaction. I think genuinely has a great mix of fast. parts, scanning parts, horror breakdowns. I think for the... Incredible lyrics. I think for the purpose of this,

you'd be better served with perseverance or even... Perseverance production, I think, is harder to dive into. Then maybe rise. Rise brutality would be a good gateway because it's extreme,

very clean. Very, like, produced. Still clean, yeah. That's a, yeah, so a hate breed. Yeah, the hate breed is a great intro to hardcore-type band. What would the under?

dogs. One of the underdogs is like they're that's a great gateway band like proven it happens

all the time yeah get I'm trying to get a guy into hardcore or a girl in a hardcore what am I giving I mean

Andrew Quarle is that you think so because you can give it to him and say like hey this is the best of the best you know this is like

perfectly crafted hardcore music and it's timeless okay and then like and then honestly minor threat like give them one

I'd be like this is kind of how it started this is fast it's really aggressive it's gonna be some of the fastest guitar also has a lot of melody and has melody

yeah that's a good answers somebody said could you give us any potential covers you considered for the everything

comes from somewhere tribute album that never happened which was there was a twitching tongues cover album in the works

forever uh huh um and like necromatomatical screams was going to be on that Let me see if it's still in my notes. I don't think it is. Wow.

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Favorite tattoo you both have and what you'd like to get next? I think we've answered that. My back piece is my favorite thing. I love probably my Metallicat tattoo. Yeah, that's good. I got to finish this whole thing. I got to fix it up.

But I love that one. I also love my chest piece too. What's the best band to ever be involved with or make a film score? It's not even close. It's not even close. Yeah.

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soundtrack, Prime Mystery was a race card drive. Boy Who Destroyed the World. That's a good one. AFI. I think there's a 25 Deli song in one of those soundtracks. So that's a good one too. Tony Hawk Underground had Alkaline trio, the explosion, Kiss. Fucking sick.

Oh my god, I can't wait to throw up. Just eat another one and then throw up. Come on. No. You're at 59. No, allegedly. I don't actually know what you're at, but the counter says 59. Wouldn't you like to hit 60?

What if I'm more? What if I'm already in 60s? It's not possible. It's definitely possible. No, there's no way. No, it's not possible. We'll see, but I don't think so. Wouldn't you like to for sure be at 60?

But that's two behind. We don't know that either. Okay. do it. Yeah, buddy. The big 6-0, allegedly. I'm not eating another one. I'm not eating another one. I'm not eating another one. Don't you want to hit 61?

Best album with the worst production. That's a great question. It's a great question. The Sand Black Church self-titled EP. It sounds horrendous, and I love it. I love every second of how bad it sounds. that might be my pick

straight ahead I listen to it today at the gym you don't like it I just think like it sounds bad I like it oh I love the way breakway I like it but it objectively sounds awful the side by side side record versus demos

maybe the biggest disparity in like wow this demo sounds fucking miserable and then the record is like oh my god it's unbelievable I love the way breakway sounds And the Wars on songs, the comp songs sound like ass, but also like that.

Yeah, breakaway, breakaway I really like the production. But to be honest, do you think that's because you love that record? Or do you think it's, you think you would use that production on something you did? I think if I was making music like that,

maybe. Like, I think the bass tone is fucking like, like, that's perfect, fast, hardcore, Twangy bass tone. You know? I like that type of shit. But yeah, I mean,

it doesn't sound modern at all but I think it's like so of the time that it's definitely of the time. It's definitely of the time. What's worse? A bad meal or a bad movie? Meal. I would say movie. Meal's going to be more expensive. But a bad movie while I'm in the theater and I like don't choose to leave?

Horrible. But you still got your snack. You're still out. Having a little date night, whatever. I get, I would say movie. Because a bad meal I can go, I don't want to eat this. But you don't. Oh. I see what you're saying. You know, I'll eat another meal.

You can, like, start. Yeah. Okay. Bad movie after I've seen it, I'll be like, what? But you're going to pay for. I will never get that. You're going to pay for both years. Time is more important than money.

You know? Yeah. You're going to spend. All right. Time is more important. You're going to spend as much time eating on this dinner. I don't know. We'll never know.

Youth crew revival in the big 2025, right? Probably. I hope so. I think the youth are reviving. I mean, what's funny is, we've been through one yeah like I've been through one uter revival it wasn't great

it wasn't I mean it was cool but it wasn't like huge no because there was still like like beat down and like all the stuff you would expect which that'll never go away because that that is still like the most popular style of hardcore like most moshable

highly mashable hardcore is still going to forever be in fashion absolutely And, you know, once the kids start circling it and maybe, I think straight edge being in, once again, we'll help youth group revive. And I don't know, dude, I threw on Wide Awake, the Wide Awake demo today. Crazy. Connecticut. All right, last question.

Kind of related to what we just talked about. What's a direction you'd like to see hardcore go that it hasn't before? Or is there a sound that has been done before, but you don't think it was fully expanded on? Push the button. push it 61 allegedly and that's all she wrote

folks he you know he's great and all but he's he's no he's no match for the for the nugget master

that's what they call that's what they're calling me these days uh you know everybody thought 88 was it was light work they thought I was a bitch they thought I was a pussy they they don't know

they don't know what went into this but I'm I'm proud of you did one more than you really expected, right? No one thought that of you. You just said you were going to do 200. I still could. Stop.