HardLore - Brendan Murphy: Two Meters of Fury

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

Colin and Bo speak with the legendarily unhinged frontman of Counterparts and END, Brendan Murphy. He fit right in.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise �� Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome. It's our Lord time. It's time. What's going on, Bo? I'm feeling groovy. It's hot in Chicago. It's 100 degrees. That's crazy.

We have a special guest today. I'm also hot. Yeah, you know, I'll have to look up the Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion, but Oh, yeah. A hundred sounds hot. So it's warm. Yeah, it's probably like 30 there. It's hot as fuck, right?

I think it's around 40, I think. I think so. When I got into my car today, it did say, 40 something Celsius. I was like, all right. Didn't stop me from getting a Costco hot dog, but you know. Colin, who do we got?

I'll die for those hot dogs. We've got Mr. Brendan Murphy, singer of counterparts and end. I want to thank you in advance before we start talking for the end record selling of one billion copies. Because I feel like it paid for like the next five years of close casket records.

So I, one billion. So I benefited directly from from the end record. So thank you so much. I mean, you know, I'm,

if we've sold that much, nobody's, my bank account doesn't reflect that. So I'm going to have to talk to Justin for sure. One billion. One billion times 10 is like a hundred billion. That's, it's what happens when you got,

you got Will Putney in your band, you know? Everybody's like, oh shit. The guy. Maybe he's going to fucking, maybe he's going to use an eight string on this one. And then,

you know, then they buy it. I get their. money and then they're disappointed, which is pretty much what I've made a career doing at this point. Haven't they all. Yeah, straight up. That's why we're here talking about it. And before we get going, I want to punish Jason a little bit because our road guy,

Jison, is a huge end fan. It's a huge. And I just want him to be embarrassed. You're shouting out, Jason. Jason is the first shot. So Jason outfitted us with everything we're using. Bo just figured out how to use all of it. He sends me fucked up audio every single week.

But thanks, Jason. Hopefully. Jason loves Brendan. Jason, help me out. I'm using, I got some fucking Moano fucking Amazon thing going on. Be careful what you wish for, man. This man is going to be sending you. He'll send you a fucking.

I'll take it. Let me show you what this man will send you. And all new road. Buffy hats. Great for those 40 degree. Yeah, the Canadian winters. I'll be set. I'll be outfitted.

I have a road lunchbox. What the fuck? I have no lunchbox. I haven't owned a lunchbox since the eighth grade. You know, same here. Eighth grade. It was a Slipknot lunchbox. And here we are on Slipknot.com.

That's pretty rad. Let's go. Everything comes together. You know what I do like about Celsius? Is that zero is freezing? Yeah, it's sick. I feel like conceptually, that's like, that makes sense. Well, here's the thing.

Like, I love it. You know, like zero being freezing and 100 being boiling. It's like, cool. Like, that's like a basic number to work with. Like, that's how. Yeah, yeah. So that's how Celsius was made. It's based around water.

The reason Fahrenheit is 98.6 for normal body temperature is because at the time, they thought it was 100. But as the technology got better, they realized, oh, we were like doing it wrong. So Fahrenheit is actually body temperature. Celsius is like air or water temperature. And then Kelvin is like another, like another thing. But we're just straight up Fahrenheit?

We just took it and we were like, we're just going to use this forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Calvin can fucking get bent. Yeah. You use this. Yeah.

You get lost, Kelvin. No fucking chance. It's like like in terms of like, like, body weight or whatever. It's like, yeah, like I weigh, like I do it in pounds. You know what I mean? Like kilograms, I'm like, I could, I could figure it out. But then like Kelvin is like the stone equivalent. Dude, but stone is kind of stone is insane. Stone is fucking ridiculous. I weigh 12 stone. The Brits are out of their mind because they use miles, pounds, stones,

Fahrenheit or Celsius. Like they got it all. It's all. Yeah. And I'm just like, dude, like commit to one bit. You know what I mean? Like figure it out. I would be really down to switch straight over to metric, no problem. But here's my one beef. Metric does not have a foot equivalent. Oh, a lava foot. And a foot is just so burnt into my brain. I know exactly.

I have one. Yeah. I mean? I got it. What if you've got like a little tiny foot? Do you use inch, brother? Yeah. Oh, like your own foot is small.

Plus like, yeah. Like if you have a tiny little foot and you're like, I don't know. like it was like six feet. Well, true. Well, if you're a guy with a tiny foot, I would bet you, you'd grow up and be like, my foot is not quite 12 inches. So maybe this measurement isn't for me. Sure.

Sure. But like if you wear a size 10, your shoes are 12 inches when you're wearing them. You know what I'm saying? That's good stuff. You're there. That's what they need over in the rest of the world. Foot is good. You don't use foot?

You're metering? I would. Like in terms of like, if someone's like, yo, how tall are you in meters? I'd be like, oh, I'm two one. One point. Two is like crazy. Two is fucking insane. What's two?

10 feet? What's a meter? Oh, it's, I'll look it up. It's something nuts. Is it two meters six feet? Which one is yard? It's like 6.6 feet or something? I think a yard is three meters.

Yard is three feet. Three feet. But a meter is a little extra. So in yards, I'm like, I'm like two one. Or I have that backwards. Sorry, the world. Yeah, so if you're two meters tall, you're six point, you're six foot five. Yeah.

So it's like, you know, things I'll never have to worry about in my entire life. But, but yeah, like if somebody asked me like, oh, how tall are you? I'd be like, oh, I'm five seven. You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't be like 1.6 meters. Are you five seven? I think. I don't know.

Nice. Another thing? The last time I was at Will's house, we, um, we, we, we, we, like marked our height on the wall adorable like with like a pencil and shit like you know to show everybody's like growth over the record um I think

I think it was like 57 58 I don't remember but that's average you know I guess we'll see you have we ever spoken before Brennan I don't think so just I've known of you obviously you know I've laughed at the tweet and same or five let's go know I love that

you guys are actually similar kind of entities out in the world. You know what I mean? Just Twitter. Chuckle ha ha guys out there. Just a couple of, if I don't laugh, I'll, you know. Yeah, one of those guys.

Two dark, depraved minds that if somebody's not laughing, if there's like, if I go 45 minutes without like making somebody chuckle, it's, it's a, it's a dark day. I'm on my way out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's like, oh shit. Like I got to reel it in.

Like, right. Let's see if the best buy near me is higher. like maybe I'm done now, you know. Also, and I don't want to keep talking about this, but a football field used for distance is really helpful, you know. 100 yards about a football field that. I generally, I said, I do the, uh, the Uncle Rico type measurement. Just throw football like I could throw it over the mountains.

Yeah, like over the mountain. Like that, I live that close to that starboard. I can throw a football over there, you know? Yeah, yeah. I can't like that. Hey, speaking of metric and mountains and, uh, hilarious people, Brendan, you just got back from Europe. I did.

I most recently got back from the States and Canada, but I did just get back from Europe. It was a fucking nightmare. Wow. This is why... We riff on Europe a lot. But I don't want people to think that it's just Colin and I because it's not.

No, we swear to God, it's a universal experience. It's a universal thing. It is. And I feel like, I feel like when it comes to it, like, you're like when, I don't know, like whenever you get to the point where you're like, oh shit, like my band's going to tour Europe for the first time, it's pretty much a coin flip. And if you get tales, like your band's going to do great in Europe and you're going to have a fantastic time.

For the rest of your life. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like until your band is done, you're set. Unfortunately, both my band. got fucking heads and it's just always a fucking nightmare we're right there with you brother don't even worry and like and like the the thing is like i always say this where i'm like the people at the shows the shows are good but it's everything else that is just so fucking weird

totally and it's like it's like it's not even annoying enough to be to make me mad but in turn that makes me even more mad than if it was that annoying. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I'm still inconvenienced. It's a minor inconvenienced. Like, like, for instance, this is a completely side thing. But, Bo, I think about Andrew Morrissey dropping his toothbrush on like day 35.

And then, and like that to me, that's that, like, I'm right back. That's Europe to me. It's like a man on the edge dropping his toothbrush on day 30. and then looking around you and going, oh, I can't replace this because of where I am. Because I'm in Europe and it's a fucking, it's a weekend after 4 p.m. So everything's closed. All the apothecaries are fucking closed. So I just can't, you know, like.

The fucking plague doctors are like, no, sorry. Sorry. We do not carry. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Maybe the fucking the Surway has Listery and I don't know. Like use your, use the 30. since you get back from the toilet and buy,

you know what I mean? It's like, don't get us fucking started on the, on the, the toilet ATM, the toilet fucking coin machine. I don't have a problem with it as long as it's clean. And it's never,

like, it'll be, it'll look clean, but it smells. Unbelievable. Have we ever talked about the poop shelf on Hardlore? I don't think so. Oh my God.

Let me pull. That was the first thing, like, that like the first, I think the first time I went to Europe was like 2000. 12 and when I saw that, I was like, okay, like what part of the fuck? Like, where am I? Like, this is, psychologically, what is the purpose?

All right. So I, like, Bo as a German guy, what do you, like, you look at that and you're like, this is how it should be. It's absolutely not. It's rocks. It's water efficiency is what they claim. It's all water. It takes less water. How?

For those of you who don't know, I can't really position. Okay. So if you're sitting on the commode on this toilet, you're sitting right here. And there's no water there. It's just a shelf that's collecting your refuse that you're just chilling over if you take your time. It doesn't, like, the purpose of the water, the purpose of the water is to take away the stank. Yes. creating a new ozone.

I never realized it worked that well until I had to use this thing. And then you're like, whoa, and you're like, holy shit, I am disgusting. Who kind of smells? I got to go to the doctor. We talk about shit a lot lately, dude. I remember the first, like the first time that I, the first time we went, there's two parts to the story. So the first time that we went, I noticed like the shelf.

And I was like, this is fucking insane. like what's up with that. So like kids were coming up and like talking to us after the shows. And I'd be like, yeah, what's with your fucking stink toilet? Like what's up with that shit?

And they'd be like, oh, it's like, you know, like you're, you're supposed to examine it after and see if there's anything going on in there. No, they did not say it.

Like blood. I swear to God, I swear to God. It's for medical reasons. That's what I was told at first. And then so like, And so like I'm like I like I get it. But maybe maybe have that like as an option.

If you are like if you're feeling sick. Like you're like, you know exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you're fine and nothing's wrong with you. True. True. But you know what happens if there's blood in my stool?

The fucking water's red. And I go about my day. Yeah. That too. It's like it's a Tuesday for me. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

If there's, if there's blood, I'm like, cool, it's still red. Like, let's go. I got an update. I got an update from that last one. I started using the medicated wipes recently. How do you feel? I'm feeling great. Oh, that makes me very happy.

I'm not cured by any means. No, no, of course. But it's better. It's better, you know? Like, I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a 30 wipe soldier sometimes, you know? You got to get a bidet. Oh, I've got a second one coming today. I'm sick. Let's go.

But sometimes my office is right next to the, there's a bathroom right here. And there's the badez in the bedroom. And I sometimes, I simply can't make it. So it's, it'll probably show up while we're recording. I mean, that's like, that's the move. Like, I, like, obviously I'd used one before, but I had never, like, when I, you know, like, with touring and shit like that. Like, I've never been like, like, since, like, had one at home. I've never been away on tour and been like, fuck, I wish I had my bidet.

You know what I mean? Like it, but then I got one. And suddenly I'm like, what the? Oh, fuck. Like, like, I miss this. Like this, you know, that's living. Like, Japan had it figured out for sure. That's where I got it first. And I became a believer. It makes you like rethink your whole life. Because anywhere else on your body, if you get shit there, are you going to take a dry piece of paper and wipe it off? and just and just be like all right cool that's it i guess yeah can't can't even see it if i if i got fucking ketchup on my finger when i'm doing the dishes like i'm soap water yeah rubbing alcohol fucking you know i'm getting in the dishwasher and doing a load brother yeah let alone shit you know what i mean i'm like fuck this but you ever get ketchup on your jeans or something like it like never

goes away that smell i hate not not lately i got uh yeah i got some egg on i was looking around for them. I got some egg on a shirt earlier that truly just wrecked my day. You know what else? Okay. I have a story about Europe that I've yet to share, but I think it's apt. Can't wait. Thank you. One of the first times we went to Europe, this was with, it was dead end path, us brutality will prevail. We stayed at this, these two German dudes who I believe were partners and we stayed at their apartment outside of Wolfsburg, I think. Wolfsburg. The Spuck.

I don't think I've heard of it, but sure. Yeah. It sounds German enough. It was very German. They had a nice big apartment. We all slept on the floor. It was fine. And as a matter of fact, Colin, this is why I'm bringing this up, is because we stayed there

together as well. In Volfsmen? In Volfs? Well, so they lived outside. of Luxembourg. Oh, okay. But that's by Wolfsburg, I think, if I remember correctly. And we played that little weird.

Is this the mansion? Not the mansion. No. That was, that was Austrian. I think about that guy every day in my life. Yeah, I know. But anyway, the first time we stayed there, these guys were like, they're like, hey, we are really particular about like the heat and the error.

Oh, my God, dude. have any windows open or anything, you know. So all of us stayed in this one area and it got really toasty. But it was like nice. It was the middle of winter. It was January in northern Germany. So it was okay. Peter and two other people couldn't fit in our room. So they slept in the dude's room on the floor. These guys had their patio door completely open and were sleeping with The patio door just open. And the heat? January.

Below freezing. Heat blasting patio open? I swear to God. Okay. So. They're doing a bit. They're whole shit. It was just a bit with us.

You don't even know. Hold on. This is the first half. Okay. How does it get worse? The best, well, the best part is, is Peter woke up because his teeth were chattering.

That's what woke him up. He came to our room and like, cartoon loud. Yes. he opened up the door and like looked around to see if there's anywhere he could fit. And Saba rolled over and went, Peter, man, could you open a window? I'm stuffy. And Peter like, like lost it.

Yeah, just actually lost it. And then the next morning, someone from Dead End Path, who I think we're not even allowed to talk about anymore, was like holding onto a tree branch. And I'm sitting, we have a nine hour drive in front of us. I'm sitting in the van, the sprinter, looking at him. and the fucking he's just like shaking on the tree branch

because it was like such a brutal night fast forward the same guy with the watermelon it may have been fast forward fast forward four years later

twitching tongs and us stay at this this dude's place in the summer it was a summer tour and it was the inverse it was windows stay closed

like that's windows stay closed here's the best part well I guess actually that's not relevant number right but the windows stay closed we're all hot as balls and it's nice outside mind games dude that's all like they're all doing a bit with us so like all right let's just do something insane so that they tell it on a podcast and like um thanks for the place to stay guys but jesus today in uh like everyone that i know in europe like you know the three people

that i've been like cool you're you're a normal human being i'll be your friend for sure I guess there's like a crazy heat wave right now and they're all just like, yep, like, no AC, like that's, you know, like that's, that's Europe. Like, I'm just stuck dealing with this and I'm like, why? Like, just get, just get it. Like the cars have it. Like cars have it. Dude, fucking everywhere in Thailand that we went to head air conditioning. If fucking Thailand can afford that, Germany.

Nobody was ever like, oh, fuck, you know that shit in your car when you like, you can make it cold if it's a hot day? Man, I wish you could do that at home. Imagine you could do that in your house. Like, that would be so fucking sick. They're just like, no, no. Like, I'm going to go and I'm going to go hang my wet clothes on some shit. And then I'm going to open up all the windows because that's all we have here. With no screens.

I have to let bugs in. That's another can of worms is just doing laundry. Oh. I mean, you, you, Brendan, when you go, you just pack to not do laundry, right? I try, I try my heart. Yeah, for sure. It's just how? Oh, you just bring six packs of underwear or what?

Well, Colin, we've been over this thing. Yeah, honestly. Like, are you a swamp, swamp undie man, washing my sink and whatnot? Not. So, on the last tour that we did, Jay from End, he's got like camping underwear or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, yeah, he's like, oh, yeah, like, these rock because you can just, like, wash them in the sink and they'll dry really fast.

And I'm like, fuck, like, I never thought of that. Like, I'm, I'm over here with, like, the fucking Kirkland signature boxers, like, you know, just being like, I can afford to throw these away. These are, these are too tainted. Like, let me just fucking, you know, I'll just throw them out in the bathroom garbage. But, yeah, like, I try, you know, like, I try to separate it to where it's like, you know, I have my clothes. that I play in that just suck and then I have my normal shit that I, after I shower, I'll change back into it. But it just doesn't, like the idea of doing laundry in Europe is like fucking

forbidden. Like I feel like I'm like sinning when I do it. You know what I mean? I feel like a pilgrim, like a settler. Straight up. Yeah. It's like, give me the fuck. Give me a washboard.

Like, and then it's like, oh shit. Like I remember the last time, like when we were just there, we played a show in like Stuck I think it was like with one step closer or something. Ah, Stuttgart. Yeah. I was like at Jewha West like sick venue like, you know, good spot. But I remember the promoter being like, yeah, like you can do laundry if you want, but like do it now because it's going to take like six hours.

And I'm like in what world is that accurate? Like the dryer. It has water in it. Yeah. Yeah. For there's a water tank for the drive to like it moistens your clothes. while it drives them. It's fucking, it's so, like, and that's the thing is like, like, I make fun of Europe all the

time for, like, other shit, but I'm just like, dude, like, we're talking like basic stuff that's like, it's not even enough to get upset about, but it's a little weird. And for some reason, that makes me more mad. You know what I mean? Like, it's on purpose, though. Like, my aunt lives in Spain. It's got to be. She's a, she is literally about to cure Parkinson's.

She lives where? In Spain. Okay. About, she's like on the brink of curing Parkinson's. And I don't know if she has a dryer, you know? And I mean, look, like, I understand that there are people who would say, hey, air conditioners and dryers are actually, like, they use a lot of energy, they're not very green.

Like, I understand that argument. That's fine. Figure something out then, brother. Okay, okay, make a better one. We have electric cars now. Like, let's fuck it. Let's go. For sure.

Yeah, I'm very, like, so on the last tour that, like, that I just did in Europe, we, like, to put it into perspective, it's like, I know I, like, I'm always, like, online, like, just like pitching about Europe and being like, oh, fuck, you know, like, this sucks, whatever. But, like, I actually had, like, a medical emergency. Oh. Based off of Europe. Like, so we, we did, like, all the festivals, like, Hellfest and. grass pop and like all that bullshit and um it like it was sick like they treat you well at those because it's like you know like you're you're playing the same day as fucking ACDC or whatever it is you know what I mean so it's like like at least you get treated like a little bit nicer but um we were doing shit where it was like the last day of tour um we played a festival at nine in the morning and like like I said like with

counterparts like we don't do well in mainland. Like we're like a UK band. So we they're just like, yeah, throw them on at the fucking crack of dawn. Who gives you shit? Wait, wait, wait. Whatever.

Your set time was 9 a.m. Yes. Come on. At, I swear to God, at with full force festival. Our set time was 9 a.m. We, we loaded in at 7. Stop. I promise you.

So, so we did that. And like, to be fair, so like I remember, I was like, Like when I saw that, I was just like, what the fuck? I'm like, I haven't seen 9 a.m. in a decade. Like, this is fucking criminal. Like, you can't do this. It is criminal.

And I'm like, I don't even get up until 10 to feed my cat and give him his fucking steroid pills. You know what I mean? I'm like, this is crazy. So you have diabetes? He had, he's got like an autoimmune thing. But like that's, you know, so like a good cat. Yeah.

Yeah. So every now and then I've got to give him my, you know, give him his shit, but... I got a real shitty cat. Sorry, man. Good for you. I'm happy for you. But you got some good cats, too. I got a couple good ones. They rock, you know? Like, what are you supposed to do, right? Like, it's... There's nothing I can do. I'm a fucking victim in my house.

You just got to... He's got to help now. But... I don't want to. Yeah, so... So, load in at seven. Oh, my God. Play at nine. And then... Was there anybody there at nine? Sorry? Was there anybody there at nine?

There were so many fucking people. Like... So, so I, like, I was having a meltdown and like, um, I was talking to our manager and I'm like, yo, like, nine a.m. like, I'm like, come on. Like, I know I'm fucking dog shit, but like, give me a give me something here. This is terrible. And then I saw and then Tom, he like, he's like one of counterparts managers. He plays in straight from the path. He sent me a photo. And he's like, well, this is us playing at nine two years ago. And it's like, there's so many people like you don't, even see the end. So I'm just like, okay, maybe it'll be good. That's exactly what happened.

Um, so we do that and then, and then it's like, okay, cool, like wrap up and get out of there at one because you're going to drive four hours and then play another festival. So, so yeah, two in a day. So we drove to Jera on air. Oh, we played that last time. Yeah. Yeah. And like, like also fucking sick. So it's like we got there. We probably showed up around like six. We played at 10 something. like it was cool like at least it was nighttime so it wasn't hot but um right after the set i we were like loading our shit off the stage into the gear room and i saw like like a hard case that had like an amp on it so i i'm sitting on it and i just do one of these and i just fell asleep like and nobody could get me up for like 30 minutes like they were like shaking me like it was like a

whole thing so i wake up to medics and they're just like hey buddy like you're out cold like let's figure what's going on with you so so they like they take my like blood sugar and my like blood pressure and they do a bunch of shit and they're like oh yeah you have like you're like intensely hydrated or sorry dehydrated and you have heat stroke so you're fucked and I'm like oh shit this is crazy and then as soon as I heard that in my mind I'm going like I have ammo like now i can tell i'm like europe literally almost took me out so like now now i have i have solid proof like i somewhere i have a piece of paper with my blood pressure reading to be like oh like hey remember the last time we tried to do this like i almost fucking died you know what i mean

and it's like like it's not it like it don't get me wrong it's so fucking funny like it's hilarious but i'm just like at a certain point i have to be like like, yo, stop fucking with me. Like, Europe, like, you've got to fucking figure it out. Like, either, you know, you can get down with the fact that we kind of sound like stick to your guns, but like maybe a little weirder. Just give me the fucking money or else I'm never coming back.

I literally almost went to the hospital. But, wow. Are your club shows dope there? They, like, they are, for sure. Like, the club shows are good. So the shows are good. The issue with me, and Bo is that the shows aren't good either.

Really? A lot of the time. Well, in like West Germany. We've had some improvement since we toured together there, Colin, for sure. Not me. But I also am the best. Paris is like incredible for us for some reason. Like there are places that rock.

It's like it's so weird like with so with like, like, I mean like with end like we have that like, you know, we do like the blast beat. like there's like a like darker fucking tinge to what we're doing so like like our our scandinavia and norway shows are like fucking crazy whereas with counterparts when we go there it's a nightmare like we've been there with like architects and stick to your guns and stray and like you know and the shows are packed out but then we play and they're just like what the fuck is this shit but with counterparts like it's weird because the further east you go the bigger the band is to where it's like Like, you know, and like I know this is like a generalization.

It's probably like probably going to come off as like kind of rude. But I feel like if people are sad, they like us because they like get what I'm talking about. Whereas, you know, like if counterparts is in Norway, they're like, oh, you want to blow your brains out. Like why? Like what's wrong? Whoa. What's so bad about your life? Like my life rocks.

I don't get it. And I'm like, fair. It hasn't snowed. You live in 16 days here. True. True. Yeah. We're happy.

Interesting. Yeah, there's a weird thing too. The last time we were there, we did all, like, these same kind of festivals. We didn't do Hellfest, but we did Jeron error and brutal assault and full force and all that stuff. How funny is Grass Pop metal meeting being the name? It's so, it's so weird. Like, the festival as a whole, like, so not this time, but the last time we played it,

I remember, like, being on stage. and being like i like i said something fucking stupid where i'm like i'm like yo like i could like just fucking tackle like lemmy right now if i wanted to like this is fucking crazy yeah and then obviously and i'm just like i'm like why are they putting us around these fucking people i'm like these are i'm like these are like actual like big names and then it's like oh cool like oh you've got lemmy and the fucking counterparts guy like arguing over the last pork chop i'm like what's the fuck is happening right now. This is so stupid. I literally watched him eat pork chops at Hellfest one time. Really? He's a little guy. Little? Yeah. Really? I think he was like five three,

five four. Lemmy? Dude, I'm pretty sure. How many yards was he? One. Leby's height is five foot 10, Colin. No, he's not. That's what. Dude, it must have been a double. He's taller than me? That's fucking fake, man. Maybe with a hat on. Get your head out of you. Get your head out of your ass. No disrespect to literally the God. Yeah. But I remember being like, damn, he's a little guy. Maybe he was a double. He's the tallest tallest guy in his band. He was using a

stunt double that day. Let's see. Here he is next to Sting. Sting's height. Sting, WC.W? Sting. Yeah. Sting is 511. That adds up there, brother. Sure. There you go. Something. Fuck, yeah. Maybe he would have kicked the shit out of me.

It was a trouble. You don't have 5-7 energy. Can I just tell you that now? Thank you. I appreciate that. I believe that you're two meters. I wish. In a perfect world, I would be.

I'd be unstoppable, but like, nah, I'm fucking. Are you, are you wiped up? No. Singleman? I'm singleman.

Singlement. You clean it up or what? Not really. No, because I still play Magic the Gathering. So it's like, you know. Yeah, but that's sick now. You know? Yeah, you're like, cool.

Yeah, dude. You got to get in. You got to get in. The world is sop and wet for Eddie Munson right now, brother. Magic is cool. There's a couple things. You're good. I don't want to get, you know, too brash here, but there's a couple things going on right now that are wild.

Like shitty mustache and long hair, not people dig it. Dad bods. People dig it. I see it. And like, I, I'm like, yo, like, that's a good look. but when in my mind, if I were to get rid of all of it, but the mustache would be like, I would look so much like my father. And I'm like, I can't fucking do it.

Please, Mr. Murphy's my father. My father. He's got to be. He's got to be. Yeah. I think you figured it out. I'm looking at you. I'm thinking, you know what?

This is working, you know? This guy, this guy nuts, you know? I was going to say the last time we were there and we did those. I was going to say this guy does. The last time we were there and we did those, those fests, one of the ones that we did was an oi fest. Oh, fuck, yeah. It was Harms Way playing a show that like the boss tones and agnostic front headlined. Let's go.

Isn't that, but like, and of course we played and all of them were just voss? Like, they had no idea. For sure. Yeah. Did Lyons Law play? Probably. Oh, my God. That's a fucking, that's a musical group.

It was a straight up. oi fest that for some reason like we were the only band that had to like test the sample pad yep of course you know like line check yeah if only you had a fucking trombone you know what i mean now we're talking that's your brass section when harm's way inevitably gets trombone you'll call me right i'll learn trombone yeah but i know that text is not more important than me playing trombone someone literally just asked someone called me and asked what i'm doing and i sent a picture of what we're doing. Okay.

All right. Was it a trombone blower? You're missing out. That's what I'm saying. Dickie Barrett just texted me. Bo dares to respond to non-sexy tests texts while we're recording. I'm like human being.

A sexy text. Go ahead. But you gotta tell me about it. Then if that were the case, I would never be checking my phone. You know what I'm saying, brother? I think I'm getting blown up about that. That's what I'm saying.

I think in the counterpoint. Parts World, we had a, we had a thing happening. Something that we had booked might not be happening anymore. So I'm just like, no, I'm talking about fucking trombones. That's right. Yeah. Being two yards tall with my boys right now. So this shit can fucking wait.

That's what I'm talking about. Are you a music while on the road guy? Like, do you like to listen to music while you're touring? Yeah. Yeah. I like, like, so I'm, it's weird. Like, I'm kind of 50-50. like there's days where I'll like I know it's like full serial killer mode but like I'll just

start driving and I just like won't listen to anything and like shotgun will be fucking passed out asleep and I'm just driving and I'm like yep and I'm just in my thoughts and it's so fucking weird but for the most part yeah you know like if I'm uh if I'm driving or whatever I'm like yeah like you know throw something on I fuck with it well usually nothing K-pop Really? This is real. You're not just, I swear to go. It's not just a clever background.

Nope. I, um, I don't know what happened. I mean, like, I've always, I've always been into like, been into pop and I think that when I found K-pop, it was like, this is pop, but it's like, it's like, it's completely transparent to where it's like, you know, like in pop shit, it's like, oh, it's like, it's the song she's been working on for 16 years or whatever. And with K-pop, they're like, no, no, like four people wrote this and we just dance. Like, who can they do be dancing.

Like, give me your money. Like, I dance good, right? And I'm just like, you do. Yeah. And dude, KAPP is wild. There's the only, I know that that butter song, the BTS song, stayed in the charts for like ever just because their fans would like put it on repeat and just leave it on. Yeah. It's like.

Imagine having that. Well, I, like, am I misinformed, but I looked them up. I looked up BTS on Spotify and Apple Music. And the numbers weren't that crazy. But it's because they have their own streaming app. Um, yeah, like I'm, I'm not sure what it is, but it's like, but I mean, you're right. Like a lot of them do have like a, like, a, like, they'll have like your V lives and like that sort of shit. And it's like, it's fucking, it's insane.

Like, you're big enough. where you don't need Spotify. Like, that's fucking crazy. That's money, dude. The only exposure I have to the music is there's this Korean chicken place I really like. Go there all the time. I'm sure it kicks fucking ass. Oh, it's unbelievable.

Korean fried chicken is like top tier fucking. And they got the Toboki with the cheese and all that. And it's next door to the corn dogs. So you know I'm there. It's always weak. Is it chung or whatever? Is that the chain? No, it's called like a BBQ chicken.

or something. And on the TV, they play K-pop music videos on repeat the whole time. And they are, like, literally the worst lyrics I've ever read,

but I feel like that's the point. That's it. And it's like, you know, and they're, they're like, I would say, like,

70% Korean with, like, a little bit of English and, like, some groups will do, like, all English songs and stuff. And, like,

it would, like, I don't even know how the fuck it happened. Like, it literally went from, like, oh yeah like dynamite by bts is like pretty catchy like yeah it's a good song and then all of a sudden

like i have a fucking cardboard cut out of of her in my living room you know what i mean it's like it like what the fuck happened to me but it's oh yeah i like all them it's good for them i uh yeah it's a mystery to me um i like pop music but i guess i guess like mostly american you know what's on the radio here kind of for sure yeah and like real real co-reve worker answer, Beau. Yeah, you know, I like what's on the radio. No, I know, I know. But that's the most pop, right? It's like, American Top 40 is like, okay, that's what's on right now. But dude, you're telling me that that fucking the second Katie Perry record, like, it had more singles. Yeah, it had more singles than Thriller. Well, I think it was, I think it had the most number one hits since Michael Jackson Bad. No, no, no. It tied Thriller. Oh, was it that? Well, Bad had more number ones than.

Thriller, but Thriller was the biggest selling thing. Okay, so it didn't do as good as bad. Every song on bad was a single. Really? Yeah, like all of them. I'm a big, big Jackson head here, but I like the Gaga song with Black Pink and I really like. Was like Sour Candy, I think.

Sour candy. I like the Korean parts. When they busts in the Korean, I'm like, ooh. It's sick and like, I don't know, it's, it's so weird how, I don't know how. I don't know how it happened, but like, like, uh, so like me and my, my roommate, he used to play guitar and counterparts. And the merch guy for counterparts and then, like, we went like, like, I was like posting online. I'm like, I didn't get tickets to see like twice like the, them. Like, you know, and like, like, it's, it's, it's, it's such a crazy fucking thing. Like, like, you know, they announce a

tour and it's kind of like the lottery. Like, we were like, you know, we're in the fucking Q and Ticketmaster trying to get shit. And it's like, oh, no, no, you're fucked. It's $1,000 or whatever. And so I'm, like, using my shit of like, okay, this booking agent knows this booking agent. Like, maybe I can, like, sneak my way in. And like, like, I fucking love it. Like, it's so, it's, it's such a weird world.

Like, even to the point where, like, even the fan base, like, everybody's always like, oh, like, K-pop stands, like, they're the fucking worst, like on Twitter. And it'll be like, like, dude, like, twice. or Black Pink or someone will put out a song and I'll be like, oh, the new fucking Black Pink Pink song kicks ass. Like that's the tweet. And then I have a hundred retweets. I have all of them. And it's like, and they're just like, you ugly old white motherfucker like whatever. They're just just ripping me apart. And I'm just like. Because you like it? I guess. Like I don't, I don't know what it is. But I'm, but like it's so fucking funny because I'm just like. Oh, I figured they'd be on your team.

Well, I thought so too. Or like, you know, we're all. like I posted a photo of like oh like the fucking cardboard cutout thing I got I'm like this is hilarious like someone was throwing it out and I picked it up and people are like oh like she'll never talk to you ugly and I'm just like holy shit

I'm like this is fucking insane but I but I like I do fuck with it like it's so funny that I'm like cool I'm like damn I thought we'd have this like common ground that we could build on and like to be fair there's definitely some where like like I'll be tagged as some shit where it's like oh like you know oh did you know the the singer of this

metal band like loves twice and black pink and fucking all these bands and I'm like you know and then and then because of that like whenever like when we put out when counterparts did like our last video and put it out like I would see like like k-pop accounts posting it being like yeah I don't know what the fuck he's saying in the song but like he likes k-pop so I guess it's cool and I'm just like that's kind of cool. It's real. Real recognizes is real, you know. Yeah, that's cool.

But then at the same time, people are like, oh, is that gray in your beard, you ugly motherfucker? And I'm just like, holy shit, relax. Do you think they think that you're infiltrating from within to dismantle it? Maybe. Maybe. They're just gaykeeping. They're just mean.

It's a sigh up. I don't know. I feel like, I mean, to be fair, like I understand that it's like a little bit weird that a 31 year old guy's like, hey, black pink, right? You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, I get it. weird about people liking the biggest shit in the world. That's what makes it the biggest shit in the world.

Yeah. Well, it's like five sexy girls whose whole thing is like, we're, we're sexy first, musician's second. It's like we can figure you'd be the demo. We can do it all. You know what I mean? Like find your favorite and just like build your persona off them. And I'm like, well, I did.

I did. It's Diane. So are you into, are you into wrestling at all? Like so when I like I used to be I haven't paid attention like too much but I do like I fuck with it. You know what I mean? There's a Japanese promotion called stardom. And it's all ladies and they kick ass. It's where like a lot of the bigger names in stuff that Colin and I typically watched like where they like came from and like how they got good.

but a lot of them have like synchronized like singing entrances and shit to like various songs I don't even know if they're we got to put you on to Machi Ito man yeah please do she's amazing send me all this shit I'm done yeah yeah interesting so uh it's crazy let me ask you this being a Canadian band were you were I don't know how it works in Canada in terms of like being a local band. Are you, is it, do they easily accept their own bands at home or do you kind of have to get over elsewhere? Like, it was a bit of both for sure.

Like when, so when, when counterparts like started, I was like 16 and like we were all like, you know, in grade 10 or some shit. So there were like back in the day, like so we're from Hamilton. Like the Hamilton scene was fucking crazy. like growing up like it was like you know it'd be like oh it's you know there's a show every day of the week and then on Friday like convergent dillinger are playing fucking Hamilton you know what I mean and it was like like we had unreal venues like they were it was always good like I'm very fortunate you know in in that aspect but like how far is Hamilton from Toronto I we played there together

but I forget uh like 40 minutes I think okay like so you got it's a buffalo shit and for sure yeah yeah you have Buffalo you've got buffalo you've got like your you know uh Detroit even all that stuff yeah yeah totally and like and it was like it was such like a good scene to like come up in but I feel like around the time that we that we like started doing shit because like really it was like okay we have these songs like we're touring we have to wait until we graduate at the very least or like even like until we get a fucking driver's license to like go and tour you know what I mean like it was we were like trying to hit up people's older brothers being like,

we'll pay you to drive us. Like, we don't know how to fucking do it. But like, there was a weird period of time where I think like the Hamilton scene is like declining. And there weren't a lot of like newer bands. And it felt like the newer bands that did pop up, they were sort of focused elsewhere, which is like it kind of happened to us. Like there, like there were some bands when we were growing up that were like,

really big in southern Ontario, but they were, you know, twice my age and they just like would like essentially just like bully us because we were fucking high school kids. And so I was like, all right, like if Ontario isn't down, like I'm going to figure out this visa shit and like just tour the states or tour Europe or like just leave. You know what I mean? But like that, I would say like that that experience is more specifically Hamilton and not Toronto. Like if we were, like a Toronto band. Like the Toronto scene's like always been fucking psycho. And, you know, like we're,

we're lucky enough to be close to where, you know, if you're a Toronto based band, like you've always got something going on that you can, you know, you can like hop on to or like whatever, at least like spread your name. But yeah. But yeah. Toronto is incredible.

Outside of L.A. and Chicago, like on Spotify shit. Like it's always Toronto is our next one. And like, and it is like. Always. It is always good and it's like That's the thing that I'm like Even though I'm so close

Like I've always kind of been jealous of that To where I'm like Toronto's just always been good Like I've never heard of You know people being like Oh the fucking Toronto show sucked You know what I mean? I've had a couple but we still did great in merch

So it's like well that's that's a lot It's like well okay what am I doing wrong Thanks for buying my stuff When we did the post human headlining tour I think Toronto was the first date to sell out. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And like, and like Toronto is very like it's just in a weird way, it's like it's more so like with it in terms of like international shit and sort of like keeping up on like

not that it really matters, but like, you know, what's what's cool, like what's popping at the moment like that sort of thing. Whereas Hamilton and a lot of the other smaller Southern Ontario scenes have just kind of been like they're like a little dated like not not Germany fucking dated but you know what I mean like very very uh like oh this isn't cool anymore like that's crazy this is my favorite band you know but yeah yeah um but but you know like even though we kind of took that approach and we're like yeah like we're gonna fucking we're gonna get work visas and we're going to go to the states and we're going to start touring outside of here it was like I did always feel like people were stoked for us.

Like, yeah, this band from around here is doing really well, like good for them. But at the same time, I did feel like a, oh, they think they're too fucking good to play Hamilton anymore, like that sort of thing. It's like that weird, like kind of like gatekeeping where it's like, you know, like you sold out, dude. I used to see them when there was 30 people at the show and now they're playing a 200. And it's like, okay, sounds sick. like I don't know.

Yeah, I'm making $80. Yeah, sounds like a band that you like has fans now that rocks. I mean, it's the same exact thing here. There was a time in Chicago where it was only us and weekend nachos who were like touring, who were from Chicago. And it definitely went from a thing where it was like, oh, seeing harm's way in a basement, it's super crazy and violent and rowdy. And then we started touring a lot.

And then we really had to like build back just to like fill the subject. You know, it wasn't, it's not easy. But like, I totally get that because Chicago, while it is definitely a market, it's like, it's a weird kind of in-between place where it's not on a coast. And you, you know what that's like. And it's, it's a different experience. I'm on a coast, so there's one billion bands here. Sure. So I got to fight through the one.

You're in the place where you can have five shows happening within an hour of each other. That's true. And, you know, that's all good. That rocks and fucking sucks. Because generally I'm on like the second to worst one. You know? Yep. Yep.

And like Southern Ontario was, it definitely was like that for the longest time where it'd be like, you know, oh yeah. You know, like there's like six shows happening here. And like the scene like not even just in Toronto. Like I'm talking like your Hamilton, London, Kitchener, fucking wherever. and it was really strong. And then I think after a while, like, people just kind of fell out of it. I don't know. It's, yeah.

People grow up. They graduate in life. Totally. And, like, and I've definitely seen that, especially when it comes to counterparts where it's like, oh, you know, we, like, yeah, like, you know, I used to see them, they played my friend's house and, like, you know, fucking boozer fell through the wall. in the fucking drywall. Like, oh shit.

That's what this podcast is about. We want to hear about booze or falling through the wall. Straight on. Yeah. And like, and that shit. I'm like, but my thing was always just like,

it's like, yo, like we still do that. Like when we did warp tour, we were so fucking miserable because the tour sucked shit out of a toilet. We're like, yo,

we're playing fucking people's houses every night because I just want to have fun. Were you allowed to do that? Or do they have to be like secret and announced day of or something? They have to, well, when we did it,

it had to be like, like hush hush. Hush. It was like. Powner Carts is flying today. Honestly, like I was, I was begging for them to send us home on that one. So I'm just like, dude, that's a shame.

I had, we had such a good time on Warped Tour. What year did you do it? The last one. So they had really good numbers every time. So we did it the year that they decided the next one is the last one. So you were the one where they were like, this guys, this is not working out. Yep. Yeah, we're going to have to end this.

Yeah, we, we did it when it was like, okay, everybody push your fucking merch tent in by 20 feet because we didn't sell enough things. And so like, and just like that and like the fucking like that was bad enough. And then like for example, like us and stick to your guns like we just did whatever we wanted and we didn't like play the game. And so we got like punished for it. So it'd be like either us or stick to your guns were either opening or closing the stage every day. and like that was our like punishment. Is closing the worst? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, because we'd have to, we'd have to load. We'd have to, you know, oh, hate breed has fucking four full stacks. And I'm just like, I'm, I play magic. I can't lift this stuff. You know what I mean? But opening at the very least was like, okay, everybody's here to help out. Closing is bad because everyone leaves, obviously.

Yep. And like, you're going to be playing, if you're not up on the like headlining stage, you're going to be playing during fucking all-time lower. For sure. For sure. Yeah. And it's just like brutal. Dude,

census fail closed on our tour like so often. Yeah, your voice says, is there beef? I mean, they canceled that one tour on us, but it's all good. Oh,

yes. I remember that. We are similar because I remember everybody who's ever crossed me, even if they think I forgot. So I'm glad to hear that. Let's go. That's not. gone from for music, you know?

You're a pretty, like, we kind of already talked about it, but you're like a vocal guy, a boisterous guy on the, on the internet, you know what I mean? Like, you're pretty bombastic, I think, to quote our famous shaggy, right? Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, sure.

Very same. Has that gotten you into any hot water? Not, not really because I feel like, like, with my shade is like, I mean, I've, like I've been we've always been at the receiving end of like people you know like goofing on us

whatever and I'm just like yeah sure whatever like it's like it's fine like I get it um but for me it's like if I'm doing that usually it's warranted you know what I mean like even even like with like with that for example where it's like like I don't fucking care it's like oh cool like oh shit like tours canceled like I get to I get to stay at home with my cat for a month like what a bummer you know what i'm like i'm not really upset but i'm just like but i'm also not going to be like they like you know we support them good for them you know like they're doing their thing it's like like i'm my thing like like no like you cost me tens of thousands of dollars yeah and and like and that was it like and i remember like you know like i found out about that so like i was

uh me and our merch guy we were staying with like george and alison uh george plays a six year guns um his wife house and like we were staying with them in denver we were at a fucking top golf and i and that morning i had booked like a bandwagon deposit i had paid for our like tax withholding bullshit uh flights all this crazy shit and then i'm sitting there it's fucking happy gilmore i'm fucking like whack in the ball and then i get a call being like it's not happening and i'm just like how am i going to get that five grand back i'm ruined and everyone and everyone Literally, yeah. Like, like,

what was the reason? Can you tell us? I mean, they, the reason from what I heard was like, the singer, like he, his wife was pregnant.

So it's like, yeah, fair enough. But, but they got like another tour offer. So he's like, oh, if I like switch things around,

I can do that tour and then be home for, you know, the birth of my kid. And it's like, yeah, sure. Like, I get that.

But I'm like, dude. Birth of the kid, valid. Like, another tour offer came. Invalid. I am a friend of buddies.

We haven't talked in a minute. So was I. Of a couple of them. Yeah, seven years. And I'm just like, bro, give me a fucking heads up,

dog. Like, help me out here. Like, but. I got no stake. I don't know anybody. I have very low stakes. And I'm sure even buddy

and Jason would like understand that. Like, it's not like, I have nothing to do. You know, it's not my shit. Finally, we're shooting on this fucking podcast, huh? Yeah. Whatever. Week 14, shots are being fired, baby. Light shots.

I mean, whatever. Speaking of shots, how much money do you make before? No. No, wait, wait. Actually, actual question, when you were at Top Golf, did you get the bignets that you load up with the syringe? No? What the fuck is that?

What? Dude. Are you serious? They have these donuts there. So my friend Matt is a, he's the chef at a top golf. He's been on like, like chopped, chopped junior and shit. Oh, wow. He's like, like, is he like a kid?

Well, no, but, but just not, I guess what's the in between between like real chopped and then like, and then like, oh, it's corporate like top golf chopped. But it's got like Alex. Queen chopped. Yeah, it's tween. It has like the real, it has all the people from chopped. But it's not. I can. I'll show you. I don't know. It's hard to describe. But they have these. So when we went for my birthday, right before COVID, they have these fucking, these like donut holes, bignets that come with like a Bavarian cream, a Bavarian cream, a raspberry and a chocolate. And you inject your donut with this shit.

Sick. You know what? During the, during the pandemic, I've had enough fucking build my own dessert things where I've had to get take out and just. do it myself. So no. I want my shit pre-injected. Make it for me. Make it for me. Come on. I'm tipping 50% when they fucking smile at me, okay? For sure. Inject my donut.

Speaking of food. Yeah, there we go. Let's get down to the nitty-gritty here, Brennan. Are you vegan, vegetarian, anything, Brendan? I'm not. I eat fucking garbage. All right. Me too.

What is your favorite? It's what this is what we ask when you're driving. You see the sign with all the food options. What's the one where you're like, we're stopping? Raising canes. Wow. Finally. Every time.

Every time. We don't really talk about it on here, but we're, I'm a big fan. Bo is not a sauce. He's not a, I'm not a sauceman. The cane sauce is white sauce adjacent. Yeah. That's true. I'm not big in a sauce, but I'm big in a cane sauce.

That's my shit. Like, I get that. Like, like, you know, like the idea of getting like fucking, oh, like, whatever fucking burger and it's like dripping, I'm like, this pisses me off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the cane sauce, I'm like, cool. Like, I have a little bit of control. You can monitor your consent. I can decide.

You know, I just wish the cane sauce was like buffalo or something. Don't talk about it. Yeah, no, I know. I know. Just stop. I love it. I love it. Wait for the next fucking subject.

Okay. This is for men. Cains. Cains is up there. What I really respect about Cain. Cains followed the like in and out chick-fil-A kind of business method where it's like, hey, let's just make it good like every time somebody eats here. Yeah, for sure.

It's really that easy. You know, oh, let's actually, you know, so the soda founts, the syrups need to be replaced every now and that guys. Yeah. I've never had a flat cane soda ever. Oh, fuck now. No. I've only been once. You've only been once?

Give it another shot. It's so. But I'm not going to. Look, look, look. I'm not going to spend the money. and not get their sauce. I'm not going to dip Cain's chicken fingers in fucking ketchup like a barbarian. No, no, no.

They probably got good ketchup, though. I'm going to go somewhere where that's not. Like, I'm respectful of the thing. I really am. Did you have the Texas toast? I had, I had, I asked Isaac from Knock Luce what the Caniac order is and he told me. Yeah. I got it.

He literally called that. I know. Mm-hmm. I respect the culture. Why don't you respect these and shut the hell up? All right. Is there anything in Canada, Brennan, that you're particular about? So, I mean, like, overall, like, in Canada in terms of, like, fast food, like, chain restaurants, like, on tour.

It's kind of fucking slim. But there is a restaurant called Harvey's that kicks fucking ass. I think I've had Harvies. Harvey's is my shit. They, like, they've had, like, the OG, like, veggie burger, too, like, all the vegans and shit. like, you know, you're like Buffalo, Detroit, vegans that, like, come up to Canada for shows. Like, they all fuck with Harvey's.

Harvey's, I like, I like A&W. I can't do it. I'm not a fan. Really? Really? I love the root beer. I love the canned A&W root beer or cream soda. It's the best.

It's the best of the major brands for sure. If we're, if we're talking soda, I'm like, cool, you got me. I'm down, especially like the fucking frozen cup thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, the. But eating food there? Come on. Really?

I like the burger. I'll eat a bag of chips over that. The theater of it all. I'm like, yeah, fuck, I'm sold. I love the pageantry. Exactly. The food itself, I'm like, eh. And it's also just like, for some reason, just like really expensive.

So like they're the only place in Canada, I think fast food-wise that has like an impossible or like beyond burger. So it's like it's really big with vegans and shit. but and they've added it too for a while. Yeah, yeah, for like a couple years. So it's like, yeah. Like I get that. But overall like A&W onion rings, I'm like fuck this, dude. It's like eating printer paper.

I'm like this is this is miserable. But Carl's, Carl Jr. is very similar here where it's like an unjustifiably high thing. And they have the fucking vegan thing, which is, it's good. But it's like a number one, a large number one is like 17. 1443. Exactly. Yeah. And I'm just like, dude, what am I? I'm going to wing stop. What am I fucking doing here. Yeah. Totally. For me to be. I do, I do love a wing stop. I fuck with, uh, trying to think, like I'm, I'm, I'm a shake shack guy. I love shake shack. I need to go. I need to revisit. So many people.

No, you know, the sauce is what? What's, what is the sauce? It's like a garlicky mayo type thing. Yeah. It's like an ao. It's like a straight up aole. Yeah. That's a lie. It's a fucking meolonase. is what it is. I mean, I'm with you there. I think AOL is just like a trick word. Yeah, because mayo is, for sure.

Mayo is good. You know, I'm just going to come. I'm going to come out here. I'm going to follow my sword. Mayo is delicious. And they hated him for telling the truth. And the shake shack.

The cross with the prisoner. Yeah, whatever's on there. That's good shit. What's your, what do you get, you like McDonald's? Like,

I can get down with McDonald's for sure. I mean, nothing. I just loaded a gun. under my seat. Nothing beast American McDonald's in terms of chicken nuggets only.

The idea that you can like if you can get fucking 20 nuggets for like $4.99 in the States that's unheard of here. If I told that to like my, if I told that to my parents, they'd be like, you're a liar. I gave this to a liar. What is, what is McNugget economy like in Canada?

It's miserable. It's like it's like a fucking nine nugget combo is probably like 20 bucks. No. No. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, it's, it's rough. I guess I got to intervene. You got to hop over the fucking border. Show them how it's not. I remember ordering McDonald's in Canada and it's like not. And what is the,

what is the multiples of three thing? 369? That's like, that's our shit. It's like like, yeah, you know what our shit is? Is that a dollar menu?

Like a dollar menus don't exist here. Dude, have you guys been to Taco Bell in Canada? It's a fucking travesty. It's here. It's like that here. now too it's not cheap anymore but even still like like 10 years ago it'd be like you'd go in a taco bell and be like yeah two taco like a two taco combo and they'd be like cool that's 12

dollars no and i'd be on tour in the states and it'd be like oh whatever's in your pocket is fine like that's all good like whatever change you have on you your set like it's fucking crazy i lived off the the two dollar beefy five meal there was the beef five lara burrito a bag of chips and a drink for two bucks and then I just add another beefy five and I'm good now let me tell you my order is much more thorough for sure dude that toasted cheddar chalupa gimmick love that is so fucking good the beefy crunch burrito the first time the beefy crunch the first time we ever toured the states um like our first show ever was like 2011 2011 maybe um in like south dakota or some bullshit and we're like, yeah, like, let's go to Taco Bell.

And it was right when the beefy crunch burrito came out. And it was like, it was rice, beef, cheese, whatever, uh, flaming hot fritos. And they were, they were 49 cents. Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm in fucking heaven. This is crazy. I would get a $5 buyout and be like, this is, this is reasonable.

Like, oh, my God, absolutely I can make this work. One of my favorite. Just pulled a picture of the toilet. Speaking of Taco Bell. My favorite toilet. One of my favorite things is like if you're headlining or your support or whatever and they say, hey, do you guys want catering or do you just want to buy out? Oh, I'm screaming buy out in seven different different languages. Oh, that's the best, dude.

I'm screaming by out in old English. Do you guys ever get it where it's like, like, it doesn't happen often anymore, but like there's still some venues that we play where, they'll be like, oh, we don't do buyouts here. And I'm like, all the time. Because they have, they have food in house or something. Dude, like, it's got to be said, Canal Club, what the fuck's going on? What's happening there? Yeah, they've got a kitchen.

Richmond? Dude, like, $400 catering budget. I'm like, my, my bro, you've given me $30 worth of fucking pasta. Like, come on, man. Like, help me out here. Is it really? That you're, your caterer for it was $400. group.

I mean, maybe, maybe like a little last. But even so, dude, I'm asking for fucking receipts at that point. I'll walk your ass to the grocery store. I mean, that's what the tour, the booking agents for, you know? I know, and like, I know I could, but like, I'm also a fucking coward.

So I'm like, okay, sure, whatever. Like, I just don't want to get involved in this. But it's like, yeah. Thank you for the butter noodles, sir. That's happened so many times where I'm just like, we play these venues and they're like, oh and like we're not you know it's like okay there's fucking 20 people on the tour 10 bucks ahead 200 bucks easy and they're like no no we'll do 400 and we'll cater it and then you get there and

it's like okay like how many how many shakes of the salt shaker do you want like okay well let's not go crazy some other people still need it and I'm just like what the fuck is happening right now yeah that is why the buyout reigns supreme because it does because dude also how about like oh boy how do I word this Playing a venue that maybe is associated with people you wouldn't want to argue with. Yeah. And they're just chilling there. And they're just chilling.

And you're just like, you know what? This is really good pasta. Yeah. Thank you. So. Sure. And it's like, and like I get that. But at the same time, I'm just like, if I was booking a show and somebody was like, hey, hear me out.

Like, maybe, maybe you're going to make an extra 15 bucks if you like, wheel and deal and swindle this catering budget shit or you can give everybody 10 bucks ahead and you don't have to worry about it I'd be like give them 20 and don't ever fucking talk to me again but I don't want to worry about this shit

yeah absolutely but man if I when I get a $20 buyout I feel like every decision at my like my life path was like correct it's like I did it right that yeah plus your per diem I well I don't get that generally

and then I immediately go, oh my God, $20 buyout, this is crazy. I can eat anything I want. Who has three dice? And then that's what I'm doing with it, you know? Dude, C-Lo, obviously very fun. Have you ever played threes or

Bones? I love threes. I love threes. Three's is my shit, for sure. That's because there's a little strategy to it. So I think it's more fun than Cilo for me. Like there's like a chance. Like you have a chance of like, oh fuck, like maybe I'll keep that 10. You know what I mean? Like, it's

Not just throwing money and losing it, but... Dude, here's a story involving Tom from Stray. On the very first, like, real tour, what we ever did was Acacia Strait, terror stray, and we opened. Bruce LePage was the tour manager for the whole tour. And we got to the last day, I think was at event horizons or whatever in Syracuse. What's the name of that fucking venue?

Oh, lost horizon. Yep. Lost day. Thank you. Yep. Not even on Horizon. I wouldn't, I wouldn't step foot in there.

Oh, and the whole tour agreed to put the last day's buyouts on one big C-Lo game. For sure. With one member of each band rolling, right? James fucking rolled trip something. And we were going to win. And believe me, brother, we were making $100 a night on that tour.

We were hurting on that tour. And Tom went last. Tom went last, rolled 4, 5, 6, and did a fucking, like a full-on cannonball onto the table and just broke it. And they made... I love that. I love that. Yeah, we bonded with Tom. Haven't they made enough?

Well, not at the time, no, because they were second of four. This was 2011. This was rough. Most of the time of that, when I roll like a trip 6, I don't even celebrate. Yeah. Because it's like, well, I'm getting. it's happening. Yeah.

Yep. Yep. Because that's when some fucking, that's when James Vitalo walks up. He goes, hey, he playing the game. And fucking rolls me and kills me, takes all my damn money. I gamble every day of my life. Oh, do you really? It's the fucking best.

It's a problem. But, you know. But wait a minute. We're not talking about like, am I going to make it to the bathroom? No. I gamble with money. I play online slots almost every single day of my entire. Are you serious?

But I win a lot. Yeah. How much is a lot? You got to give me links. I need to be doing this. Oh, dude, I got you. I don't know if that's legal. It's probably not even legal in Canada.

Let me see if it's legal in Canada. Chumba Casino. I have a social security number, I think, somewhere. I got a VPN. I'm good. I can watch fucking Bob's Burgers on the U.S. Netflix. Chamba's legal in Canada.

So I'll send you a link. Maybe we'll both get like $10 free player. Let's do it. I'll tell you my favorite games. That's so dangerous. It's terrible. But I've won a lot. Dude.

But it's funny. It's funny. It is funny. And every spins of memory. It ain't about winning. Of course. I did a contest with them, like early pandemic. Oh, yeah.

It was like April. So, yeah, I did a, I did like a video submission of like, here's why I should win. And I won five grand. You won? Yeah. What the fuck? That's so sick. The winner got 10 grand a month for a year.

Oh. But I was like third runner-up. That is so fucking sick. Is he frozen for you? He's going frozen for me. Here he comes. Hello? Roll that five grand down on that fucking...

There he is. Get that spectrum back up. Yeah. My internet is rock solid, so I don't know what's going on. It's probably mine. I guess it's not. No, it's got... I just upgraded to a gigabyte, too.

Oh, welcome, brother. They're going to hear some words from me. Yeah, tell me about it. Brendan, is there anything... Is there, like, I refuse to step foot into a subway. Unless I want a cookie, honestly, I'd go in for a cookie. That's, yeah, like, I'm, that is exactly how I feel. It's like, sandwich wise, no fucking chance.

But, like, yeah, an M&M cookie, like, I'm not fucking made of stone. Like, they're just good. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm going to fucking swallow the thing. Like, come on. And it sucks because, like, I mean, it's been a while for sure. but like when you tour, when you do like a full Canadian tour and you're like driving like northern Ontario.

Yeah, dude, straight up. Like Thunder Bay, it's like, oh, do I want to gamble with this place or like there's a subway right there like fuck it. I guess I'm having subway. And it's like I'm not proud of it, but I'll do it for sure. No, dude, there's actually no excuse because Thunder Bay has a casino with a restaurant in it. Hey. Thunder Bay Casino kicks fucking ass.

It does kick ass. I've lost thousands of fucking dollars there. And I would do it again for sure. Is there a food where, because I have several, where sometimes, like, I'll be like, I wouldn't eat that for $1,000. Oh, really, Colin? Oh, like, like, for example. Yeah, please.

Faith alone just played this Chinese restaurant in Hollywood that is also a venue. And Alec got this like corn egg drop soup. It was like a corn based egg drop soup. Egg drop soup can be a little snouty. I saw it for, I took one looking and I said, I wouldn't eat that for $1,000. And at that point, it got to a point where he offered me $1,000. And I respect to my guns. For me, it's similar eggs in general.

I've never had an egg in my entire life. Wow, you're like Guy Fietti. Wow. It's the only thing guy won't eat, so you're an elite company there. He doesn't like eggs? He doesn't like eggs. I've never had one. It's like, like, I think I probably got to like 13, 14, never having an egg.

And then I was like, that's pretty funny. And then I just kept it up. And now I'm 31 years old. I've never, like, obviously I've had, you know, cookies or whatever. And it's like, oh, yeah, there's like, yeah, yeah, got to crack a couple eggs to make your fucking cookies. Sure. But I've never had one on its own. And now the bit is like way too funny for me to where I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

Like, yeah, like, a thousand dollars, like, I would fucking go get one of my roommate's eggs right now and swallow it on camera. Eat it raw. Yeah. You know, but. Yeah, like on its own. To the non-eggaters out there, I would say it's just like getting your mouth jizzed in. It's the very, like the texture is the same. Something you're familiar with.

Hey. No, I'm just kidding, guys. I swear to God. But, yeah, the texture is the same. Wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm still processing this. You've never had an egg. No. Nope.

They're really good. I'm, and like, and that's, that's the thing. That's the thing that pisses me off now where I'm like, I'm sure if I tried one at this point, I'd be like, yeah, that kicks fucking ass, rocks. Good eggs rock. Bad eggs are pretty fun. It's so much funnier for me to be like being lowered into the fucking ground. Yeah. Yeah.

My family is just like, you know, he never had an hook. He never had one. He just never had one. Like, that is incredible. Maybe, you know, in my little fucking funeral suit, they can like dump a couple legs in there being like, yeah, maybe he'll try him wherever he ends up. Who knows? Dude, wow.

That's, that's pretty amazing. Have you ever done a crack? No, not yet. Not yet. Me neither. But honestly. That's what my family. they'll say about me.

Honestly, if somebody, if, if someone right now is like, you can either eat an egg or do like a little bit of crack, I'd probably take crack. Just for the big. Do you partake in? In crack? No. In the fun stuff? No, he's a, he's a boozer.

Dude, he's been, he's been discreetly vaping this whole time. You haven't noticed. Oh, wow. You know, I'm a nicotine boy. I'm a booze boy. I thought you had like a flute or something that you were just checking your tune. Yeah, it's my, it's my recorder. You know, I'm, uh, um, yeah, I don't really, I don't really, I can't even like really smoke weed.

It like makes me too fucking weird. I don't really fuck with it. But I drink a lot. I did just have like a long break where I didn't. So now I'm like making up for last time. But, uh, but you know, yeah, that's. You believe in ghosts? I, I, I've never seen one.

So I'm like, no until I'm proven wrong. Yeah. But so. That's how I was. and then I saw one. Now I'm like, they didn't see real. So on the,

like the, like when, like when end, we, we did Europe and the, the last show, a tour was in, uh,

where the fuck was it? Um, like Sweden or some shit. And so we played a venue. And it's like, it's like a, it used to be a jail. And it was like a,

like, and then they turned it in like a community center. And show is sick, whatever. And so we flew out the next. morning and I asked the promoter I was like yo like I was gonna buy a hotel like get hotels for us to like shower and shit like can we just kick you some money and just like stay here like there's couches like can we just like sleep here and he's like yeah of course like I don't

give shit so so we're staying in this venue and um at this point I didn't know that it was like an old jail and so we're hanging out and it's like me and our merch guy Kenny and we're the only one's up and we're just like talking whatever like watching fucking tictocks whatever it is and then he's talking to me and in the middle of his sentence he just stops and then he starts laughing so fucking hard and then i'm like what like what's going on what the fuck's happening and he's like i just saw an all black shadow walk down the hall and into the kitchen and then disappear and I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then so at this point, it's like three, four in the morning.

I text the promoter. And I'm like, yeah, was there fucking, it's a fucking ghosties in this place or whatever? And he immediately responds and goes, of course there are. It was an old jail. Like, it's haunted as shit. And I'm like, dude, you got to give me like a heads up beforehand. Yeah, that's like, that's like giving someone like, you got to try this soup and it's like the spiciest shit.

It's like, it's like when you ask him, he's like, he was in his own mind like, I can't believe they would want to stay here. What would the ghosts and all? Exactly. And I'm, I'm like, dude, like, like, I mean, you know, there's, there's no way, like, there's nothing he could have said to where we'd be like, oh, like, we're not going to stay. Maybe we will just, like, pay money for a hotel. But, but, but yeah.

So, like, so that happened. And then him and I were both like, fucking freaked out. And I'm just like, okay, like, I, like, I trust him. You know what I mean? Like, he's, he's very, like. they're not fucking real. Like he's like the fucking, I'm gonna go explore the abandoned fucking insane asylum guy. And for him to like stop and start laughing, I was like, all right, this is fucking weird.

So I just pulled my blanket over my head and fucking just tried to. And like I woke up at like six or something to somebody being like, your alarm's been going off for a while. But yeah, I mean, I didn't see shit. So I'm still just like, yeah, but he did, I guess. So I'm just like, fuck man. I don't know. Look, if James was like, yo, I saw something. Like if that situation happened and it was me and James and James started laughing or whatever and was like, I just saw this.

I would, he's like my compass with that shit. Yeah. So you don't believe me. No. You're full of shit. I'm full. I am. No, I'm mostly empty of shit on the count of all the shitting.

I don't. I think time and being sleepy are things that really fuck for sure. Not me. Yep. Never. Nope. I'm always on time.

I'm always on time. I'm never sleepy. I'm tired until the second I'm ready for bed. Yeah. Because then it's like something's something on Twitter is about to be good. I know it. Yeah.

And then, but it's like it's like I have something to do all the time. And then that's when the first moment of the day we were like, I got like eight hours of spare time right now. You especially, you're a sick fuck, man.

I'm a sick bastard. I just got into TikTok too, like within the last month. It's the best. It's the best. My God, there is content. Like, I'm not, like, I'm not trying to like make shit on there because you know. Yeah, it's above my, yeah. I'm, you know, I'm

fucking hideous, but I'm, you know, like, I'm not trying to fucking. I don't think you're I'm not going to dance. Yeah, no. Thank you. I appreciate that. But like I'm not, you know, I'm like, this is a little bit out there for me.

But like when I like I was one of those people where I'm just like, what the fuck is that? Like I don't need this thing. It's not fine. I don't need it. I got the app. And then I'm just like like, like I remember when I first got the app my 4 U page. Like I wasn't following anybody. My 4U page was like it was like fucking people being like, yeah, man, like these windows

are pretty fucking tinted, huh? And it was like, it was crazy. And then as I kept using the app, it learned who I was and like what I like. And now it's like specifically geared towards me. And I'm just like, I'm like, this is the best fucking thing in the world.

Like it's, it's genius. It's like, oh yeah, cool. Like I'm going to go on there and I'm going to see videos of like people in their house and I'm the third person that's ever seen this video. And it's going to be the funniest fucking thing.

Dude, it really, they really cracked a code that no other platform has figured out that is like just discovering things. For sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every day, some store is sold out of some product because of a video that randomly came up on somebody's feet. Like, I don't follow anybody on there. Yeah. And I only see things relevant to me. Dude, it's so funny when you first started to because it's nothing but tits and butts.

Absolutely. Yep. But that's all, so we're like, Hallelujah. Casey, our bass player is like very into TikTok and he was like, yeah, just keep going. I thought you were about to say, oh, he's very into tits and ass. Well, yeah. But.

I can't get the guy away from him. He's obsessed. But yeah, it's fucking hilarious. And like, there was a time where Vine was really good. Kyle. For sure. Yeah. Vine famous.

Yeah. There you go. And it doesn't they're all gone. They're just gone. They're gone. Just gone. on no record. Totally.

And now it's like it's like it's a little bit longer. But. And you know, like the whole fucking whatever like they got my fucking they got my data. What am I going to do? They took my data away. I'm like I don't give a rats fucking ass. Like if I if I get to see 15 seconds of something that I otherwise would have never seen that's going to make me giggle for like a little bit. I'm like cool.

It's done. The app has done its job. I like I book in my day with. I wake up. First thing I do. And then when I'm going to sleep, it's the last thing that I do before. Yeah. And I go, no, my data.

Oh, no. A product that I desperately need is being recommended. Totally. Yeah. Even like, like, like, you know, with like, obviously you have to take it with a grain of salt, but it's like, you know, fucking I'll open the thing up and it'll be like, oh, what's a neurodivergent teens? Like, you ever fucking do this and that?

And I'm just like, yeah, every fucking day of my life. Like, where were you when I was in the fifth? grade. I could be a doctor by now if I was on the right medication. And now I'm fucking screaming. Like, well, this sucks. You know, but. Speaking of targeted ads, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. That was, that was about where, that was about where it began and end. Okay, perfect. So please go. I want to, I recently, from an Instagram targeted ad, I bought a thing called a bed jet.

I'm a hot boy. I am always warm. It is advertised as being, oh, good, good. Then you can appreciate this. It's a literal. I'm already looking at a bed jet. It's an error, yep, one word. Air conditioning unit that has a hose and a funnel that blows underneath your blanket. Okay? It's $400. Wow.

I financed it, but they also have a 60-day return period. Did you use it yet? I'm very sad to report. It's not good. No. I knew it was a gimmick. So look, yeah, it's a gimmick. It's not actually air conditioner.

It uses your ambient air. So if you're in a hot as fuck. Fuck that. It's total false advertising. And I have a bone to pick. But I already have the return started and everything. They're very easy. They understood.

But yeah, it's definitely advertised as like, hey, this is the answer. But then you think about it and it's like, you ever put your hand. Where would that come from? You ever put your hand to the back of a window unit when it's on? It's hot as fuck. Hot as fuck. It would be making your room hot as fuck if it did what it. So.

True. So I got duped. It's been an hour and a half. Can you believe that? We're rocking here. I feel like we're missing a couple questions. Or do we hit them all? You tell me, brother.

Ghosts, food. The big two. Those are the main ones. Big two. That's Metallica and Slayer right there. 100%. Is there anything you want to, any knowledge you want to impart young touring listeners on?

If you could go back 2011, to you. What would you tell yourself? Get ADD medication and don't play heavy music. Just straight up. Don't do it? That's probably what I would do. What would you do instead?

What would you tell them to do instead? Union iron worker or something? Yeah, tool and die fucking, you know, get your machine. Get your trade up. You know what I mean? Like that's what I would say. I don't know. Fuck.

How do you feel about... That's pretty sick. Yeah, that's pretty rad. It's it's sick until so like like don't get me wrong like yeah like if I like leave my apartment right now and get like smoked by a car and break all my shit it's free. Absolutely rocks. Prescription medication I still have to pay for. I pay like 200 something a month for my ADD pills. That's a lot.

That's a lot. My fucking therapy shit is like 140 a session. I haven't been to the dentist in 12. At what point do you just let the brain rock? Wow. Dental's not covered? Nope. I, like I shit like, you know, it's...

What a scam. Have you ever had a cavity? I'm probably littered with cavities right. All I do is eat fucking skittles. I've been bringing skittles on stage. I was like a bit. Dude, how about the fact that they got rid of the lime or got rid of the apple? Well, they got rid of lime, brought in apple, and then they got rid of the apple.

I was a lime guy. So, yeah, we're back to lime now. It's great. I'm glad it's back. You know what I'm like? I liked both, but yeah, I mean, if I see green, it's like, if this doesn't taste like lime, I'm going to have a fucking meltdown. Let me tell you something based on what you're saying. I would not eat a skittal for $1,000.

You don't like skittles? No, I'm not a candy man at all. What does Alec Faber say about that? He's sick and by me. Yeah, that's disgusting. He's like a banana run guy, though. He's like the lowest of the low. I love banana.

I like bananas. You guys are all sick to me. Banana runs. Okay, so you're not a candy guy, you're a chocolate guy. Well, not at so much shot. I'm just, I'm like a sweet treat guy. But like a, you're not going to thumb your nose at a Twix. No, I love a Twix.

Okay. But I'm not like fucking ranking chocolates by like their geographical origin. Sure. You know, I don't care. I like a reader sport. Yeah, you know. But I'm not. I'm more of like an ice cream guy or like a like a brownie or.

Yeah. Like a donut. Dude, how do you feel about like Sour Patch Kid ice cream? Wouldn't eat it for $1,000. That's something I also would not eat. I feel like it's a bit much. Honestly, when it comes to like ice cream shit, I'm like, if there's caramel in it, I'm fucking down.

Oh, yeah. Cookie dough. Keep your fruit out of my ice cream, though. Oh, yeah. It's fucking. Amen. But also. Wouldn't eat it for $2,000.

What's the vibe on like a salty sweet? Oh, I'd die for it, dude. I love it. the best. Pretzel. Chocolate potato chip. Dipped in chocolate. Oh.

I was going to say, yeah, like a chocolate cover potato chip, like a fucking... One of the greatest things ever. Oh, you guys, but you know what you have up there is fucking Maynard's cherry blasters. Oh, yeah. For sure. Dude, those are fucking... You wouldn't like them. It's kind of sour patch kitty, so I don't think you would dig them.

We wouldn't need it for a thousand though. You got the ketchup lays. Those are good. And they got the all-dressed chips. And I'm a big fan. All-dressed is shit hot. there's like a miss vikis like i think they might have them in like subways in the states yeah i was gonna say obviously we don't go into subway but wouldn't know couldn't tell

they just came out with like a sweet and spicy ketchup chip top tiers top tier stuff wow i'm listening just fantastic i'm a big fan of all dress but i kind of like to only have it when i'm in kennedah you know it's like it's a treat you know i like it i like it that way yeah i like it that way Yeah, I want it that way. I like a treat every day. Do you guys agree with that? Every day. At the end of dinner, I need something.

Need something sweet. You're preaching to the conductor. Okay. So you'll typically hit an ice cream. That's the big time, dude. Okay. I got a couple local spots that I'm all about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There is one. What's that donut ice cream shit you guys got? Afters? Oh, I was going there twice a day at one point. But anyways, so I used to live down the street from a place called McConnell's. McConnell's is like my, I think it's the best ice cream on earth, no joke. Yep, okay. But when I lived in Hollywood, I lived like 0.9 miles away from it.

That location is no longer open and I believe it's because I moved. But there was one day where I called and I asked about a specific, because sea salt, cream and cookies is the best flavor. Just listen to that. Sounds great. If you put salt, if you put sea salt on shit, I'm going to fucking swallow it. Yeah, I'm going to. But I called.

Yeah. That flavor used to sell out all the time. So I call and I say, hey, do you guys have sea salt cream and cookies right now? And this woman says, oh, hey, Colin. Yeah, we've got it. That feels good. That was like April 2018. And May 2018, I was like, all right, I got to change my life.

Oh, wow. Oh, okay. Yeah. You've had it, Colin, but we have a place here called Jennings. Yeah, we got Jennings. Okay. Do you have like the brick and mortar places or just like the pines? You remember that one day.

Oh, yeah. Last day of the tour in Chicago, I got two cones because of- Colin, Brendan, you'll appreciate this. Colin said, thanks for twitching tongues, drop the mic, walked out of the venue door and went straight to Jennings. Like, still wet. I can't eat ice cream when I'm singing. So the second, like the literal.

second the last show ends, I'm like, like I get a Pavlovian response. Yeah. I can taste vanilla bean. Tastes. Tastes. Tastes. Tastes. I love that.

Fuck. I gotta start doing that. Start doing it, man. Try it out. You'll, you'll, I'm gonna walk off stage and be like, all right, if you see me on the way out, don't fucking stop me. I'm getting ice cream. Luckily, and nobody stopped me at that time because it was disarmony era.

So I think people were like, all right, wrap it up, guys. You, you, counterparts has a disheartening. harmony record, don't you? Like a record you're not crazy about? I see you talking about it all the time. Yeah, our second record. It's fucking dog shit. It's the worst.

But do you feel that way or do the people feel that way? I feel like the people like it. See, I'm the opposite. I like this harmony. I like this harmony too. I think people like it, but I also have like a weird thing with it where like when we put it out like so we did our first thing. We were like in the 12th grade and everyone's like, this is so fucking sick.

And then we did the second record and everyone was like, whoa, like this sucks. And I was like so mad about it. And then as time went on, I was like, oh, you're right. This fucking sucks. This is the worst. Like I'm embarrassed that I even have my name on this thing. Like this is fucking terrible. And then.

But now it's having a renaissance? Like kind of. Yeah. Where it's like, I mean, with with counterpart specifically, like we've always done shit where it's like we put out a record. and everyone's like, I don't know about this one, like, you know, the one before it was better. And then years later, people are like, oh, crap, wait a minute. Like, this actually is better. And I'm like, yeah, I told you.

Like, if it wasn't better, I would have just quit. Like, I would have just not done it. You know what I mean? That's the, that's the risk of writing, like, technical, challenging music of any kind. True, true. It's, it is art that's up for interpretation. and a lot of people are fucking stupid. So they're going to interpret it in a really dumb, stupid way.

I mean, that was Rust for us, too. I think we hate Rust a little less than it sounds like you hate that record, Brendan. But like I would think so, yeah, for sure. It was definitely like a, huh, kind of reaction, you know. Yeah. It happens. And we're in a world now where one, huh, can just sink your band forever. Yep, yep.

So good for you guys for, for, uh, forget. past the huh. Yeah. And like, and I mean, honestly, like we're, like,

it was a really big, huh at the time. And like, I guess I didn't really notice how big of a huh it was. But, um, but yeah,

like now it just like it makes me like, and like I try not to get pissed off about it because like at the end of the day, I'm like, well, okay, you're still coming to the show. So like,

I'm still getting your fucking money. So I win at the end of the day. So I shouldn't be mad. But like, You know, with the newer shit, it's like, you know, once we started working with Will, and it's like, oh, like, he just made it so we don't fucking suck anymore. And I'm like, why are you guys all so obsessed about this record that, like, if you put a gun to my head and said, like, track six, what are the lyrics? I'd be like, shoot me, bitch.

Like, what, you know, like, I'm fucking done. Like, I, there's no way I remember anything. That just comes with the territory, though. But, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it's, uh, so, like, I would get. frustrated about that, but still at the same time, it's like overall with counterparts, I feel like we've, every time we do something, like, it does get a little bit bigger than the last one. So I'm just like, cool, as long as there's that, that like, yep, that steady incline.

Like, even if it's very small, I'm like, yep, hey, at least, at least I don't have to go to Best Buy for a couple years. If a business, if a business is growing by 2% a year, they're stoked. For sure. Yeah. That's good growth. that's what I'm saying I would love to just remain

consistent that'd be nice that too yeah for sure Brendan you got anything you got anything coming up that you want to talk about or anything this will probably come out maybe Thursday this week Friday

I'm trying to think so I mean like with counterparts we have September we're doing Blue Ridge Rock Fest Furness like shit like that and then stuff yeah

we're going to do a headliner at the end of the year album release type type thing with end oh double headers in like thank you thank you in advance for how many copies that sells because it will benefit me directly

that shit I'm like I don't fucking I don't fucking get it like and we have like the the split with call leader coming out and like it definitely became more of like a thing than I was expecting like I thought it was going to be like oh end in counter

sorry end and call leader are doing a fucking split, like, you know, like, who cares? But it's actually, like, doing really well. So we have that coming out. And then we're doing, like, the dates with 18 visions in August. So we'll, you know, I'll be around. I'll be, I'll be there. All right.

I like it. I like I'll be around. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's good way. I won't be. I shan't be. Yeah.

I'll be here. Well, I mean, like, L.A., like, let's get fucking. ice cream. Oh, there we go. Come on, brother. Let me up. Let's fucking go. I'll get a sweet treat any time of day. Love it. I'm going to walk off stage and we're going. You don't have a twist my phone.

1720? It's, it's, uh, pretty grim around there. Yeah. Uh, yeah, true, true. There's a, there's another, um, there's another one. Let me, let me look it up. I can't remember where the, where the, where the California shit is. What's Garden Amp about?

I think it's like an outdoor thing. Orange County type thing. That's a good one. So that'll be a good show. Sounds like an amp of theater. Interesting demographic there. Like, yeah, yeah, I used to go to shows type. Oh, great.

Yeah, if there's one thing I've learned, it's that those people love anything that I have my name on, for sure. The guy that makes the like Mosh retirement videos. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoever he's making those about, they're going to go to the Garden Amp show. So it was suggested we try to get him on this show. Did you see that?

What? Stanley? Yeah, someone was like, yeah. Yeah, you know that guy? Yeah. Is he a touring guy? Stanley, he played bass in this band Dead icons. I toured with them.

Yeah, they were. Oh, I, I, I, I, fucking you guys played Toronto. It was you guys foundation dead icons. I went to the Toronto show. Yep. Holy shit. I didn't realize that was the same guy.

Yep. He played bass and dead icons. Okay. Fuck. But yeah. Yeah, Stanley. I've, I mean,

him and I have been like, like we first tour together, you know, one of the many like shy halloo tours that I've done. That was like the first time we had done the states. Were you a singer for them briefly? No, I wasn't a singer, but my, I would say my, the most important contribution that I have to shy Hulud was we did a tour together and Matt Fox one time asked me if I would film their set every night on a, you know, remember those like flip video recorders? Yeah, flip cams.

That you would like do the thing and the USB would pop out. He asked if I would do that. I said no because I'd rather do anything other than that but but yeah I think I did one I think I did one

and then he was like yeah well you like do this for the tour and I just went oh heavens no oh God no I'm good like I'm good but you couldn't pay me a thousand dollars

yeah that's true enough anyway you could you could probably pay me thousand bucks to do that I think at this point. Brendan, hit us with it's hard Lord time and then we're going to wrap. It's fucking hard Lord time. There he is. I heard what you said about me a few days ago.

Give me the stone cold glass break. Yeah, you're gonna go. Perfect. All right. That's all the time we have folks. Thank you so much. We will see you next week. Brendan, thank you again.

Thank you guys for having. Bye.