HardLore - Butchering Andy Williams

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

Colin and Bo welcome Andy Williams to the show to recount some of his favorite tour stories, from his early days playing with Buried Alive, his long tenure with Every Time I Die, and how we went on to be able to balance his music career with wrestling full time for AEW as half of The Butcher and The Blade.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello and welcome to Hard Lour Stories from Tour. It's Not Fest, Baby. Episode 4. Yeah. I think we're taking the numbers out of the titles. Well, who cares? Because it's going to get confusing. Who do we got today, Colin?

Oh, my God. We've got the universally beloved music and television star Andy Williams. Andy, thank you. Hi, guys. You're looking good, then. Yeah, real cool. Where are you at? Hotel in Baltimore, Maryland.

Delicious. You going to Jimmy's famous seafood tonight or what? I was hoping so, but I got in late and I had to do this podcast. But I don't know. I'm sure tomorrow I will eat some sort of Jimmy seafood. I'm pretty sure. Okay. I've never had it.

It's like the American Ribeira. It is. American Ribeira is a great comparison. They need a Jimmy's seafood jacket. I would love to wear one. I know for a fact that you would I know You know the parallel

I feel like music and wrestling Are kind of the two worlds Where touring is like An absolute certainty If you want I have one more stand up comedy Standup comedy All three are like the exact same

But stand up comedy I mean like save for like Dane Cook Physically Because he's putting his body on the line every time he's up there. People want to come. But like wrestlers and musicians, we are I mean, wrestlers more so obviously,

but we're beating the shit out of ourselves every time. We're up there. So just like, like a regular person, if they felt what it felt like to just be in your body for a day, I feel like they'd feel like. When I was, when I was like touring and wrestling at the same time,

that would be, if I could transfer that pain to someone, they would be like, dude, you're, you're insane. You're an insane human being. So, yeah. Now I'm, like, glad that, like, touring is kind of off for a bit. Well, because you're, you're touring. Yeah.

I just do it one day a week, though. So awesome. How cool is that? That's the best part. It was when I saw, I went, the first time I went to, like, an indie thing, Brody was wrestling in Chicago for, this is progress, progress. Yeah, yeah. Progress, yeah.

I remember that. And yeah, and, and, I realize, like, oh, he's selling T-shirts. He's watching everybody else work. Like, it's literally just like, oh, this is like touring. Like, yeah, it's the same shit. It's funny. Like, Colin, I don't know if you've made it to a show yet, but like, the old PWG was like exactly a hardcore show or a punk show or a metal show.

Like, it was just like, and I remember, like, the first time I had went to a PWG. Like I didn't, I didn't really have any ambition to, like, wrestle in a ring in front of a crowd. I just wanted to kind of like bump around for like Pepper and the boys in Buffalo. And that's it. And then I remember I went to a PWG show in like,

it was like 2014 or something like that. And it was just like, oh my God, here are my people. Like I, this is what I want to do. This is, this is what I want.

And it was exactly the same thing. When I went to my first, like, punk show, like when I knew what I was going to see you know what I mean it wasn't just like oh here's like some friends playing in like a garage or something like that at a party it was like you know sick of it all I went you know what I mean like I remember like that that show there was just like just mayhem I had never seen before and then it was like oh wow I know these this is like I don't know these people but like I kind of know these people but I already am them in a way yeah yeah I mean I know, aside from going to like WVE shit when I was a kid and then going to like a couple of

AEW things, I went to a, um, a GCW thing in like a, in like a, it's out in the burbs here in like a indoor soccer place. And it was like people are sitting on whatever people are, I saw friends who I hadn't seen in years. Yeah. Yeah. And we all kind of shared this thing. And they're like, what are you doing here? And I was like, what are you? You know, it's a very, it's such a very, a weird band diagram of like crossover and you're finding yourself like directly in the middle. Yeah. Well, the good thing is that like anyone who's written a song can wrestle a wrestling match. It's very similar to like putting a song together is just like putting a wrestling match together.

There's ups and downs and peaks and valleys and you can't really. Yeah, it really is. It's exactly like, I'm on this. that thing I was telling you about off camera, a podcast I'm going to do is essentially that, is where it's like crossing the world of like music with wrestling and like other art forms that literally are exactly the same. It's just we all speak a language and like, like, Bo, like you and I know guitar. Like that's a language that we speak. Colin knows like a hundred different fucking languages because he knows every fucking instrument.

and like wrestling is a different language and like it's dude it's crazy how like the similarities and it's like without a guitar i can go in there and play a song with a dude's body and he can do the same thing with mine and it's it's it's the same like kind of thing like when you put a match together that's structure like every great match has an amazing mosh part basically a hundred percent a hundred percent always when i first met you andy yeah I think it was like 2010, 2011, you know? So this is pre like the like, like, the like social media, New Japan boom of like Kenny in the Bucks and stuff.

So me just mentioning to you like, hey, I like wrestling. You were like, what do you mean? Like, yeah. Like you like wrestling. And then you told me that it like you gave it a shot, but hurt your knee at some point. So like, you had already ruled it out. Yeah.

And now here you are. Yeah. It's really weird. I'm about to eat Jimmy Seafood with the fresh new jacket on, baby. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to just fill my face with seafood and never think about that. Like that is like, I don't know, man. There was like something that happened in England with a fight and it was like the first time I'd gotten like beat up in a long time. Like I'd gotten beat up in a really time.

At that time, I didn't give a shit about my body. I was literally just stoked about being like a fat guitar player in a band and I just kind of let myself go. And I remember like a fight happening where like I got hit with a bottle, I got kicked in the face. And I remember like after the fight, I was just like, well, that's never going to happen again. And I like got home. I think like Grappler's Anonymous opened like not that far after that. But I had been like working out and then going to California and training with Josh Barnett and like just doing stuff like that where like I was just going.

out and rolling with them and then we would kind of like break into like little pro wrestling things you know what I mean and then he was kind of showing me the ropes and like I said I was going out to California and then when I went to that PWG show it was just like all right that's it this is it oh that's uh yeah well I have a excellent story that ties all together you got a story though yeah I got a I got a story but it's directly tied to there we go all right all right so The year is 2003, I believe, maybe 2002. I'm a freshman, can't drive. Chris Mills is a sophomore.

It doesn't have his license yet. My dad picks us up and drives us into the city to the fireside to see American nightmare. Every time I die, suicide file. Oh, yeah. Hope conspiracy. Yeah. What a show. First hard show ever.

Yeah. But I was like a huge, for whatever reason, I was a huge American nightmare guy at the time. I was like fucking obsessed. And I liked all the other bands. It was the first time I had heard or seen every time I die. And like, yeah, I was so obsessed with getting a good spot for A.N. that I was like, I have to be up front. Yeah, I was like 14, you know. And Jordan was almost hitting me with his guitar, like, scary. And it was, that was the first time where I was like, oh, the bands can be scary too. Yeah. That's, that's something. Haven't thought about that one. And then the whole A.N. set, I just knelt on the stage and tried to grab West's hand the entire time to grab the mic.

I was fucking, I was a punisher. And then, Colin, you'll love this. Then outside, Chris and I were talking to Jared Alexander, who like, I didn't realize. But Chris, being a drummer, was like, oh, my God. And he was like, yeah, I just got done recording the new throwdown LP, which was Haymaker. It's crazy, blah, blah, blah. And we were like, oh, wow. And I went, Jason Alexander, isn't that the Seinfeld guy? And he went, no, no, it's Jared. And I said, oh, man, sorry about that. Hey, can I use your cell phone?

And I used his cell phone to call my dad. Awesome. Awesome. I was just like a terrible punisher the whole fucking night. Have you ever told him that's? So I've only met Wes or no, I've never met Jared Alexander. Yeah. I met Wes like,

later on and I just didn't want to bring it up. Of course. So long ago. I was actually, before we started, I was, there's a picture of me, a little edge hoodie trying to grab Wes. It was, I love that.

But like, I remember seeing you and I remember thinking like, that's a, that's a big man. I'm a, that's a large man on that stage. Yeah. 2003 too.

I was, I was pretty skinny at that time. But you're tall, you've always like, yeah, right? I remember Chicago used to be terrifying to me because that was the only other place where there were big people. Yeah.

Like everyone. You had like Luke from the killer and I mean, Remus was a maniac at that time. There was like a bunch of, yeah, there was a bunch of Shane Cynacrosis. I could. I mean, Shane still books like 90% of all the hardcore shows. Good. You know, and there are, what's funny about shows like that too is like that was a sold out show. at the fireside, which they would like, they would, it was a bowling alley, Colin.

So, like, they would let people, like, basically be on the lanes, fill over. So there really wasn't like a cap. That sounds so slippery. It's awesome. It's our, like, CBs. Like, you can find AFI playing there, youth today, or maybe shelter, like, later, you know, but blah, but, but like every band has a story. I have a story.

Please. You have a story of us. I have a buried alive. I have a buried a live story from Fireside. So at the time, Charlie Mark couldn't tour. So I always toured. I always toured with Bered Alive. And then he kind of took my spot when like Etid kind of started like doing things.

But like I remember at that show, I remember walking in. I was terrified because it was a fireside bowl. And like you said, it was kind of like Chicago's like CBGB. So it's kind of intimidating and like I can't remember the show. I think like maybe Marver played the show or. I can't remember the show but it was definitely buried alive All Out War

Someone else Possibly turmoil That's a gig man Anyways Yeah yeah Put that at MSG this year Dude before package touring Like before package touring

Shows were so cool And it was kind of like gambling like a casino Because like you won there was no internet So like you literally were just riding up to a show And then you'd be like holy shit like turmoil's on the show like you know what I mean like it just would happen and you'd be like oh wow I get to see all these cool bands but this day isn't about any of that it's about Vogel like yelling at me like a child at one like the first time I'd ever been yelled at and mind

you there's like times where me and Vogel have almost fought like I would I'd probably say about 20 different times where like we were literally red in the face and it's just because we love each other so much and like I want to kill him a lot of times. But this time I remember like, I was 17 years old and I started touring with them. Like 17. You were his young boy. What was that?

You were his young lion. Straight up. Literally, I was a young boy. So like I remember like getting the merch in there, putting it on the ground. The other bands had their spot. And obviously that's fucking intimidating. You're a 17 year old kid and you're like seeing bands that you love.

And you have to go up to him and be like, hey, man, can you, like, make room for me? Right. Well, I didn't know any of that etiquette. This is, like, five shows in or something like that, that I'm, like, finally touring for the first time. And I look over, I grab Vogel and I go, dude, I don't know where I put this merch. And he just grabs me. He goes, hey, I brought you on tour to do fucking merch. You do the fucking merch.

Go fucking take care of it. And I was like, like, I immediately, like, got mad and I was like, and I remember, like, going to, like, Joe Orlando and that. I like the other dudes in Fair Live being like, I'm mad right now and I don't know what to do. Like, I don't know where to put this fucking merch. There's no room for it. Blah, blah, like, not understanding that you could just go up to a human being and say like, hey, man, can I just get like a little bit of room here? I had no idea.

I didn't know the etiquette. But that was like the first time Vogel ever yelled at me. And I remember being like, it was in the fireside bowl. Like, you know when you like walk in and then right to the right where there used to like little benches? Yeah. And I'm stinging there like that. And I just, dude, red face, tears in my eyes. Like, I wanted to kill him. But at the same time, I'm like looking at Scott Vogel. You know what I mean? Like at that time, he was like, I don't know, he was our Hogan. You know what I mean? He was Buffalo's Hogan. He was Buffalo's Hogan. And he moved away. And now he's back. And now he's back. You ever see it? Yeah. But unfortunately, no, every single time we like try to hang out, something happens. Later on, being in a band with War Chief after he was done touring with Buried Alive was very reminiscent of that experience every single day. Can only imagine. I met Scott way later in his life, you know?

Yeah, I do too. He's just like... He never yelled at you guys? He's never yelled at me. I've only toured with him once and it was, I've never worked for, I'm like one of like eight people in L.A. who's never worked for terror that are 30 and up. Dude, I've worked for terror.

See? Yeah. And everyone's worked for terror. One of me. Dared alive. Everyone's works for Vogel. Sure. Yeah,

the Vogel enterprises, you know. I met Scott, like we were both on the same diet at the same time. So, and I met him way earlier, but this,

we got to a point where there was like three months where I hung out with Scott every day. Yeah. Like, it's just like, you're going to eat. ago. Like, I'm like the same guy as then.

Right. So it's pretty funny. Yeah. Did you guys do anything cool when you hung up? We hiked every day. That's the story. We hiked. Like me, he would be like, he would be like, what do we like? You know, or like, what do we hate? Like at the beginning of every hike. Everything. And then you get like the random like words that he makes up. And he's just asking you a question. You're like, oh, am I choice today or am I moist? I don't know. Or 10 seconds of silence and then just him being like, I'm moist.

Yeah. When we first toured with them and we were talking about like, he found out that I was like, me and James were like youth crew kids on this first tour we did with them. But like huge. He had two iPods with him on this 2011. He had two normal ass iPods and he made us take them for the drive. He was like, there's shit in here. You're never going to hear.

It was just like, listen to that. And James and I were like, okay. That was good at it. He was always choked. I do have to say this. Colin, you and I had this conversation before where I was like, I don't know if I was asking you or you are, I was asking you or you about your brother about listening to bands who are like

heavy but not heavy. And I remember like throwing you some bands. And I remember you being like, I mean, I think I would take a chance my brother would never listen to that. Like, I remember that. So this story is like, that Barrett Alive was like, kind of what you were saying, Bo, like, when I first started touring with Buried Alive, I was like, if it wasn't from New York City, I just didn't want anything to do it.

So it was just every New York band. And then obviously I liked some like weirder stuff, but like not like, it was majority like, you know, New York hardcore. And like that was a majority of or anything from the East Coast. host. And I remember touring with them and I remember them listening to like the turn or like turning point stuff when the guys like sold out. And then being like, holy shit. Like behind these walls might be the greatest hardcore song of all time. Of all time. So it got to a point where we would listen to that song every single day. So as soon as we got in the band, we would turn that song on and we were doing it. And then I was like listening to like melodic like vocals for the first time. And then like the other dudes were listening to like. like Chamberlain and like stuff like that. And I was forced to listen to like music with melody.

And I remember being like in the van just being like, oh, not again. And that was the time where you had to have like a CD walkman with like a huge booklet of like CDs. And then you had to have money for batteries. And like there'd be times where the batteries would be dead. You know what I mean? Just shit like that.

Like and I'd just be sitting in the van and then like literally. listening to music that I never would listen to and then going home and being like, well, I have to go to the store and buy that record now. And like buying like a dude, radiohead records and like weird, just shit I never would listen to. Was the illusion shattered a bit? Like Scott Vogel listening to nothing but hot water music for 30 days, I'm sure. Was that like, wow.

I mean, a little bit. But it wasn't like, I think I was always kind of a little almost famous about touring. like when I was a kid I was always so like in one I'm still like that to this day like 44 years old and like every single time I head to an arena like I'm like I like walk around like a child like looking at everything I possibly can and then like you know what I mean? So like I was a little more like I was just a little more like in wonder of like the whole situation and like documenting it in my head as much as I possibly could. you know what I mean so there was just weird things that I like would take about touring with buried alive where like like I remember knocking a dude out somewhere and moshing like I had blah blah you know what I mean but I remember he this guy was the Hogan of whatever scene this was and I was like just standing in the middle of the pit and I remember like you're a little stiff with him Scott saying over the mic like

hey the song goes out to our merch guy Andy I just please go behind the merch right now and then like going behind the merch and then the entire show wanting to beat me up and then like getting thrown in a van and then like being scared like oh my God I have to go back to that city in like two months or whatever and I remember like going back with every time I die

and this one dude was on the side of the stage just staring at me the whole time and I'm just like oh my God like these dudes are going to beat me up and then it was this dude's band played next and then he grabs the mic and he's like he points me out and then apparently the dude who i knocked out had done something really

sketchy in the time period that i had been there and the entire crowd like cheered for me knocking this guy out like five years before this or whatever three years or two years or whatever it was like and i just have me like with buried alive i have these like weird little like childhood memories because i was a kid like when i did it dude chicago Carrie Housen, I fish hooked Carrie Housen in a crowd. Oh, no. I used to like high cross body people. And like I remember like high cross bodying like a part of the crowd.

And then I heard a guy. I didn't know. I never knew about the stuff. And then as I was standing up like Carrie was right there and I grabbed her face and like fish hooked her. And like as I stood up wearing like a full fubu like basketball outfit. That was your gimmick at the time. I was going to ask. I did have a gimmick.

Carrie, Carrie's like the Miss Elizabeth of Chicago. She is the best. Yeah. Just like, Carrie is like a legend. A beloved Chicago lady. Yeah.

Her and I, another, another very lifestyle. We were in like St. Louis. Like, Kerry, every once in a while in like the Midwest, Carrie would like drive to a few shows with us.

Like she would drive separate or whatever. And like, dudes would like get in the car with her. And then we would drive the van. And I remember this one time we were somewhere we had to get to this house. And the only place they had for us to sleep was like right in this area where like kitty litter had been spilled. Come on, brother. We've all lived that one.

But here's the thing is, and like you can agree with me with this bow. Like Kerry was like older than us. Yeah. And I like way older than us. Not like way older than us, but like at that time when you're 17 and someone's like 21. Yeah. That's like way older. Like Vogel was 21 when I was 17 or something like that.

And him and Kerry were the same age. But I remember like being like, I can believe I'm sleeping in cat shit right now, but I can't believe Carrie How's is sleeping in cat shit right now. Like it was the weirdest thing. And like, you know, we were all sleeping in this room and like no one could sleep. So you'd hear people at like five in the morning just like grumble over and then hear like the rocks like sliding. thing and like the kitty litter and shit like that. Like, oh, man.

Tour lore, guys. Or whatever. Yeah, hard lore. This is what it's about is. Dude, we went to the UK in like 2016 or something. And we were sleeping on someone's floor outside of Leeds. And we walked in and the first, the only smell was cat urine. That was it.

There's no mistaking that smell. Like one of the most like skunk, you know, fresh cut grass. Like there's no mistaking it. It's there for life too. As soon as it's planted. Yeah, it's brutal. And our, the guy who was playing bass with us at a time, at the time is like deathly alert, like sleep in the van, allergic to cats. Yeah.

So we were like, oh, you guys have a cat, Aaron, you should probably. And they're like, no. Just no. Just no sold the cat. And there was absolutely a cat somewhere. There was a litter box. that we found. Maybe it was a sore subject.

Maybe it was a sore subject. Yeah, maybe. What's the worst? Is that the worst place you ever stayed? Like, what's the worst place you ever stayed? Oh, I got. Colin, you go and then I'll go, and I'm sure Andy's. Let's rebuttal this too.

If anyone's listening and we stayed with you at some point in time, it doesn't mean we're not like appreciative. Of course. You just got to clean up a little bit. It means a lot. To offer your home to strangers and or the band. that you're seeing that day. But like, holy fuck.

Sometimes, like, a whole family is sharing a towel. And they're like, yeah, we have a towel. Go ahead and, like, you can use our towel. The worst place, I mean, I'm not going to name names here. But in Ohio, after a show we played, this person booked. very similar to your cat situation, except the living room was like the dog, like the dog peed.

Like that was his place that he peed. So I had no idea about this. So I had this really nice, like, REI sleeping pad that I was like so psyched about. You know how you could just open them up and it would just self-inflate in like 10 minutes? Yeah. Put it right in a nice pile.

And it was just gone, dude. But I'm, you know, I've said it like, some like rebel squats and you're like you're it's oh it's in europe wherever the actual worst place i've been in is no yeah i got i got one okay i got one is was that yours sorry how to cut you off there's too many you're gonna think of 10 yeah exactly yeah we we had a 36 hour travel day to bangkok oh brutal we get to bangkok it's the middle of the night but it's like 95 degrees we uh we eventually A thing about people from Thailand, which I found out, you know,

Andrew Morrissey lived there forever and blah, blah, blah. It's like, Thai people, not to be like generalize or anything, but Thai people are like very, like nine o'clock can be 945. There's no like rush. So we got picked up later than expected. The only thing open to eat and the only thing that we were like willing to stomach because James, it just, or no, this was later, but anything, we ate chips from fucking 7-11, you know.

And we get to the, We get to the hotel again, hovered in cats and just like smelling and just like, well, this is what, hey, we're in Thailand. Like, who are we to fucking wine, right? We get up to the room and we have them actually order another room because nobody wants to sleep on the floor. I saw a cockroach, you know, like, please, like, we got to get another room. And we asked when we were getting another room, like, how much is this other room? And it was like $18 American. and so we were like, huh, and while we're there, and it's, we don't have cell phone service to communicate.

They're like, okay, we'll see you tomorrow 10 a.m. We'll come pick you up. We don't have a way to tell them, hey, we looked up rooms at the Hyatt, and it's $35 a night. Pick us up from there, and we just had to, like, I got one of those sleeping bag, like, sheets. It was just in it because I fucking can't stand cockroaches, and I was just like this all night, just sweating. jet lagged no AC Real classic Insane This is just insane

Have either of you guys Taking that weird wooden bus That goes from St. Petersburg, Russia To the other Moscow Never been to Russia But please tell us about the bus Dude it's okay No air conditioning

Sweaty as hell It's made out of wood dude Like wood The bus is the frame of the vehicle is wood Is like there's metal But then there's like wood So it just creeps the whole whole time.

Oh, yeah. You're in it for like 15 hours. Like you have a bunk. You're like, you're going. Dude, it's awful. There's like one bathroom per like every like, you know, thing. Like whatever those things are, but train thing. I don't know.

Like what is it called? I don't know. Car. Car. There you go. Train car. So like everyone shares this one bathroom. It's sweltering hot, like sweltering hot.

Like sweltering hot. And it's. me, Holland, and someone else in this room. So Chris Holland, like big sweaty Chris Holland. Dude,

I get in this room. I get in my underwear and, dude, I'm not a sleeper. I don't sleep like, I sleep six hours. Like I, that's like a long night for me.

Like I just, I've never been a sleeper. Did I slept for 15 hours? In sweltering hot. I don't know how. Holland didn't sleep in, like not. one. He didn't sleep a second

to the night and the other person that was in there didn't sleep the entire night. And I literally woke up and was like as we were pulling in like, hey guys. Like the worst, the worst environment for me is this train situation. And I was out the entire

time. I don't know how it happened. It was just your body's like fight or flight response. Yeah, you fought and your flight. You flight in. Well, Etit did do a tour we only did one star hotels. The entire tour we did one star hotel. That was the point. That was the gimmick for that one.

That was literally the gimmick that we were going to try to get one star hotels. And there was, we had a, I can't remember the fucking tour it was, but we had one of those sprinter vans that were like decked out. So like four people could sleep in there. And you could like, you know how it is when you go on tour. Like you just kind of fit wherever you fit. You know what I mean? So six would sleep in there every night. So then whoever was driving and.

sit in shotgun would just go in the room and like sleep but it was a one star fucking hotel so like there's nothing worse than me walk into a hotel and there's a folding chair so like there's a folding chair in the corner which i found i recently found out that that is a a a pimp chair they call it so like inside the room inside the room there's the normal and then he sits and watches so nothing weird happens and i had no idea about you know i had no idea about that. So me and our tour manager, Mike, at the time, we usually drove so like we would sleep in the room. And like, sometimes it wasn't that bad. Like it was just like, okay, here's a bed, you check it, cool, blah, blah, blah. There was a day, dude, where I was sitting there, I remember

it was like really early, dude, we slept. We probably drove until like three in the morning, got in there, and it was like 7 a.m. at this time. And I wake up to like something like calling on my hand. And I wake up, dude and there's just a trail of bugs just heading towards my face dude and i was like how long has this been going on for like like like dude did you ever have a run in with it with a with a pimp outside of a hotel never no never like that but it was just like like i remember like mentioning that to someone and they were like oh that was a pimp chair and i was like okay that makes i've never stayed in a hotel ever that had one of those ever again in uh in uh in Louisville one time, God's

Hate was going to Waffle House when we were approached by an employer of sorts and his, this quote, in order to get us to buy his services was, I got three bitches and one of them

bad. That's it. That's it. What else you mean? I got three bitches and one of them bad. But you know what? You reminded me of something with that, I didn't even think of like a hotel being the worst place I've ever stayed. But the Motel 6 down the street from Graceland in Memphis.

Yeah. There's like one vacant room because everybody else lives in one. Oh, Christ, one of those. We were like parked in a spot where a guy came out and was like, hey, that's my spot. Like in a Motel 6 parking a lot. And Sean Martin is driving going like, what the fuck do you mean? And like Sean is like, you know. Yeah, yeah.

He goes from like the nicest man in the world to like, I'm fucking insane. As we saw in the last episode. So we just had to leave. It was like, that was bad. One time, early days of touring. So we would definitely only get like one, whatever the cheapest on Pricelighten room was. And I was laying on the ground next to the only bed. I kind of did one of these and stretched and reached.

my hand under the bed and my fingers rolled over a syringe. Nice. Yeah, super sick. And I was like, that was cold and glass, you know, and I checked. And sure enough, there was like a needle and everything on it. Somebody was looking for that. Somebody was like, oh. I left it there.

Yeah, fuck. I got two more weird places. One, I worked on like a coheed in Cambria, D. DVD for Doug Spangenberg. And Doug, like, purposely, it was, it was, the crew was, me, Doug Anderson Bradshaw from another victim. And I can't remember the other person. But there was, uh, four of us in that stayed in the, it was in New York City.

The Roosevelt or something like that. It's, dude, it's terrible. And the first night, um, I, Doug took like a sleeping. pill or something like that and he was like that and I was like hey I'm going to go to the store real quick do you want anything and I walk in and I do these shitty things where I'll spend money just to like make someone laugh so I bought this dumb fucking mask I came back woke he was like half asleep I'm fucking staying there with a fucking mask blah blah two seconds later it's off and in the garbage and like never wore it again you know what I mean like that type of thing we're in this we're in

it's the worst thing ever and we're standing there Anderson brashel knocks at the area comes he goes dude there were porn bags like under the sheets and then like under the sheets there were porn mags like you know comfort or over he he did porn sh porn mags then he opened up one of the one of the things and like four cockroaches run by like opened up a drawer four cockroaches run by so later that night for some reason he's now awake even though he's got sleeping pills in him we start wrestling and and it's my it's like two third like five-year-old dudes like wrestling in a fucking he was like 38 at the time anyways we're doing like next thing I know he takes he takes like the lamp I don't know if I can like move this right now but he takes like a lamp

it just throws it at my head and it just boom like wax my head and I'm like like it literally like blasted me like the fuck I grab him I start you know we start throwing each other around or whatever like that all we start noticing that like the room is it looks smoky now but it was just all the like dander dirt oh and shit just like and now the room smells like dried shit like you know dried shit like it's not shit anymore it's just kind of dried shit it's just it's stale dude the air so then we we decide to see if who can do a nip up first on the bed so he's on his bed I'm on my bed and we're doing like we're trying to do nip ups and like we're trying to do nip ups and like like he nips up in two. I never got to a nip up. I was next to like the old iron radiator.

As I'm trying to nip up on like the second one, my calf tightens up, like does like the old calf tighten up thing. I freak out in the air, fall in between the bed and the wall and the radiator. And the radiator is just burning me, dude. Like it's as high as it can and I'm stuck. But I'm like laughing super hard. And Doug had to actually like pull me up and pull me back on the It was like, it was rough, man. Was this only you two in this room? That's it. So you guys were like wrestling for only your two enjoyment?

Yeah. It was like, like, were you guys just like, hey, do you want to like, you want to have a match? No, it just started happening, dude. You started happening. You just started happening. The first, the first bone I ever broke was because my friend in sixth grade, we were both full on attitude era like on. Monday Night Raw, every Monday kind of guys.

I had this futon mattress and we kind of made it shaped vaguely like a table, right? And we would throw each other through it and blah, blah, blah. And he threw me off the top of a bunk bed and I tried to land like Mick Foley. I broke my collarbone. That's what these are, brother. Dude, I went up to my dad. Oh, I see. Oh, I see.

Gig marks? Yeah, both from, uh, Hogan went over on a, uh, the pillow buddy. Hogan went over, of course. Yeah. And, you know, it was like a ladder match or something I did in my mom's room. And then Taylor did this one. Hit me with the Delo Brown sky high, baby. Oh, yeah.

Dude, but I went to my dad and I was, and I was like sobbing. My shoulder was dropped. Like, it was a bad break, you know. It fucking sucked. Up to my dad. I was like, Dad, uh, in gym class like four hours ago. my friend Al, who my dad knew, who was also like my best friend, just throwing him under the bus.

Al, like, he, like, tripped me. And I think it hurt my shoulder. My dad was just like, it wasn't that noise I heard like 10 minutes ago. Just knew automatically. Immediately. Yeah. So the other story is this. And it's just, you turn into just, every time I die had made me a little soft in the tour.

world. It got too, it got too soft. You know what I mean? Like I got, the job got a little cushy. Yeah. You know what I mean? So when we went out on tour, I, we were in between breaks. I, I think it might have been like, like, some damn things thing was going on so we couldn't tour. And I, I, I just hit up, trap them. And I was like, hey, if you guys ever need another guitar player, like, let me know, I'm off. So, like, I had went on tour with, with trap them. I did like a few of those Sion rock shows with them. Yeah, the best. They were the best.

What an era. Yeah, Sion, not around anymore. I wonder why. I mean, just, hey, let's spend a ridiculous amount of money on bands that aren't worth it. And hopefully something will come out. Have you ever heard them talk about a car? Yeah. Have you ever heard them reasoned that?

No. That putting on that show was like any of those shows was like less than a single commercial and if one person at them bought a sion the show was paid for no one no one was buying them dude especially you know what they especially lost money in i i did a sion tour playing drums for new lows that ringworm bitter end one was and i got paid i specifically requested i was like new lows you don't have to pay me but i want sion socks i got about 40 pairs of them sion socks do you remember them socks? I do.

They're good socks. And I got about 35 pairs left. I'll tell you what. Yeah. They were great. That tour came here and I missed it. Jokes on you, man. Yeah, yeah, I missed it.

You could have seen these socked up. But they would pay like ridiculous money. Like for the for bands. I mean, dude, like my flight paid for. And I remember telling trap them was like, I'm not going to do this show if Zach can't come with me. So, like, Zach Cannon got paid to, like, come do sound for trap them.

And, like, I hadn't toured with him in a while. It was fucking awesome, right? And, like, anyways, so we, those were the Sion shows because there was money. This was just me going on tour with Trapped them. And, oh, man, it was like, trap them and maybe, anyways, I don't know who the fucking my man's, but it doesn't matter. I think Gaza was on it and someone else. And, dude, we last.

dude we lasted three shows so remember cushy life i was living the cushy tour life these dudes go on tour and they're asking people to stay i think we stayed at like two or three people's houses and then i was like guys i'm going to get a hotel room for everybody every single night can't do this anymore can't do it anymore going to get a hotel room for you guys and we just we got hotel rooms the rest of the time because i i literally couldn't handle staying in people's houses too No, there's a certain time where, like, I can't be an adult and then someone's parent is like, oh, you guys, you play in covers or? No. Like, I can.

It's tough, man. I'm, like, we're all past 30, you know? Yeah. I don't need to, I'm not sleeping on the floor again. I own a really nice bed. And if I'm not in it, I'm going to be in one comparable. It sounds, I mean, it makes me, it makes us sound, you know, but like. Sure.

Dude. We did our time, though. Yeah. 44 years old, man, I ain't sleep around. I can't. I can't do it. Like, especially what you're doing tomorrow, you know, with your body. The floor is not adequate to your needs.

That last, like the last I did tour, I mean, I had to wrestle Ishi and Orange, like in the middle of the tour or whatever. And I remember we were obviously, like, don't want to get into it. the band was having problems. And I just remember, like, I remember sound checking. And, like, Tony Kahn kept calling me. And he was, like, kept calling me. And I was like, guys, I have to stop sound checking. My boss is calling me.

Went outside and he was like, hey, can you be in, like, Norfolk, Virginia next week, Wednesday? And I was like, well, we're supposed to play Roswell, New Mexico. I think that can, uh, might be a guy. Guys, is it cool if I go do this one? Is it cool if I see it, Roswell? What was that? Is it cool if I skip Roswell guy?

I didn't want to. I mean, I really didn't want to. And the guys looked like they had a lot of fun. But I missed Oswell and then went and wrestled Ishi and like just from being in a van and like not sleeping well and stuff like that. Like I tore my bicep in that match. And it was it was just like, oh, cool, touring is great. I remember being like, all right. And like things were starting to kind of like work out the way it worked out.

And I kind of knew I was out at that time, like, anyways. Like, I knew, like, three shows into the tour. I was not going to keep up with the band. Like, it just wasn't what I wanted to do anymore. And, yeah, I remember, like, going back to it. I remember, like, being, like, dude, tour is so hard, man. Like, this cushy wrestling job that, like, yeah, it destroyed my body and stuff. But, dude, I'm, like, sitting in a Marriott right now.

Yeah, totally. You know what I mean? Like, it's pretty glad I was. like, what am I doing? Like, what the fuck am I doing? And, like, it was a really weird situation, which I'm sure, like, both of you guys probably have been through numerous times where you're like, is it worth it anymore? And then, you know, whatever happens, you know, you're going to get revitalized.

And then, you know, you keep up on tour and stuff. I remember being very surprised that on the first tour that we did together in 2017, that you guys rolled like 12 deep in just a normal, 15 passenger or whatever the green van was. Everyone, everyone was super surprised by it. Like when we would, when we would like roll up,

we would roll up on tours that we were headlining bands that had buses. And then like at the end of the tour, you would literally, like I remember like talking to dudes like in certain bands like that we would do like co-headliners. So we would be getting paid exactly the same. And I remember like at the end of the tour,

I'd be like, holy shit, man. I'm going to like go somewhere cool. Yeah, right, right. You know, take on out. a really nice restaurant you know what i mean like to shit like that and then you talk to the other dudes the guys in the bus and they're like i don't know man i got i got to pay bills and blah blah and it was like dude you have a guy on tour doing nothing and you're paying yeah you know what i mean and dude

it would hurt my brain dude and you see like young bands just taking dudes out that they're just taking their friends money dude like listen to me right now whoever's listening to this don't fucking hire your friends, hire professionals. Like just hire fucking professionals to do their fucking job. When you hire friends, it's going to fucking end bad every single fucking time. They're not going to do their job right.

And they're taking your fucking money, dude. Like, think about that. I remember, sorry, go ahead. The risk of touring also is just kind of what, what, uh, obviously I'm just insane to begin with. So like, a really long tour is taxing

no matter what. But like, I don't want to end up like Bo here getting my van stolen every six months Jesus Christ all my shit like I gotta admit dude I honestly I don't know if there's a band that has worse luck

we every three dude no joke 2012 we got our van stolen in Chicago 2015 we got it broken into had all our passport stolen and shit in Dallas 2018 we had the trailer stolen and then in 2021 the world shut down and we missed on three tours.

Literally every three years, something happens. Granted, the last one, that happened to everybody. Harm's way. More like Murphy's Law, am I right? Dude, you got to stop having equipment. Yeah, I know, I know. That's kind of the way to do it is just rent everything, I guess. It's not actually own stuff and you have no risk.

I'll tell you what, man. Now that like, and before, well, you know me in gear. I'm a fucking monster. So obviously, like now I can kind of go through my shit and not like worry about that stuff anymore. So it's like been really nice to help my like addiction of gear. Yeah. And, uh, but I did buy this thing called the blue gam, which is like this big. You sent that to me.

Dude, we practiced like the four of us practiced. And I like used that. And it was so fucking ripping, dude. And I couldn't believe it. It was, it's this big. Like it's just like a little. Yeah. It's like, it's almost like a, it's a pre-amp et al.

He said, Anthony just got one of those. He said, get one of these immediately. But like, dude, you can, especially that like weird amp that you had, the weird, like, like, like, periphery amp or whatever. Oh, yeah, I still have that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Periphery amp. The invention.

And, yeah. And like, it was it like, this one was louder than that one. If that makes sense. It was, but it was like this big. It's just the weirdest thing. I would tour with all little stuff now. And then when people like go into the, when they, you know, open up the trailer, they're going to go like, what is this stuff?

It's not big. It's not big stuff. Get little stuff and then they won't want it. I would love for drum technology to get to a place where little stuff can be a thing. Just a tiny little thing, dude, but it sounds awesome. You know what the, now I'm heated. You know what the most insane thing about that trailer getting stolen was? It was next

We were at the Luxor In the only extended lot On the strip That's why we always stay there Rooms are fucking cheap You can park a van with a trailer And it's on the strip Everybody can do whatever

Next door Was Mandalay Bay Where the worst shooting In American history happened Yeah And we get told There's no camera on that lot This is after the Mandalay Bay shit

Was an inside job Of course Dude You know how in casino It's like Yeah he's kind of he's coming out of the front desk right now. Like when we checked into that,

the dude checking us. It was like, so what brings you guys to making? And then he was like, are you guys in a band? Oh, did you have a, you know, kind of thing? Okay, just going to make sure. Inside job, dude. And how much, dude. Dude, we stayed at this like, I mean, this is,

this hotel was terrible. But like, it was right on the, you know those like hotels right on in Jersey, like right when you get in from New York? Yes. Yeah. Like Secaucas, like that, that whole area. area. Like there's, you can get a hotel for nothing. It was a Howard Johnson right on like the

Oh, I love a Hojo. The nine or whatever that comes out of there. And, uh, dude, it was, there was a, like one of those, it was a gated fence all the way around it. Van and trailer right there with a guard walking around the premises. So I remember like walking out and seeing that the, uh, the like lock in our door was like hanging. out and I was like oh and then you could see the door open just like a little bit yeah yeah oh man dude iPods had just come out all of us had them and they were all sitting in the middle console oh right so like immediately I'm like fuck man I'm out fucking 600 bucks or whatever the they were so expensive back then so expensive and we opened the fucking door all of the iPods are

there the guy had to reach over the iPods to grab Jordan's like shitty Howard Stern blade. Howard Stern, whatever thing he was on. What was Howard Stern on? Like serious? Yeah, he had like a serious thing called a blade. It was a serious.

Like, you know, if you're driving, it would sit right here. And he had to like run a wire that went out outside. You know, that gimmick with like the satellite dish or whatever? Dude, that was the only thing they took. Wow.

And it had to have been the guard. Like there was a guard outside. side. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Dude, I don't know how nothing else got stolen, but that guy must have been the biggest Howard Stern fan. He's a big deal with a guy, man.

He needed that. Because he just, or he looked at our iPods. It was like, not into this. Yeah. Like, he just kept looking at him. Andy, do you remember on that tour we did in Toronto? You cut a promo and the whole, the whole tour package was down there? like someone was coming downstairs

and they were like talking shit about and then he walks into the room full of us what what uh like do you remember what that was for yeah it was a promotion in Toronto called smash um and at the time we were working like regular for them so like Buffalo is only 70 miles away or 90 miles away or something like that so we were regularly working with that and it actually is like one of my like better friends in wrestling, Kevin Bennett.

And he was like, he had this like rap gimmick with like a, he had a heavy with them. And we were like leading up to this match, but he had showed up to the match and like, yeah, I had to like or showed up to our show or whatever like that. And then had to like kind of promo. It's real weird. Yeah. But smash. If you look up like smash Kevin Bennett, Andy Williams, you know, it'll probably come up somewhere.

At least that promo will come up. It's like all of Knock Loose. Colonel sleep in arms way. Yeah. It was awesome. I remember like for some reason like it was like you or someone was like standing there like super hard. And I remember like wrestling friends being like, yo, where did you find those guys? There was a guy standing there.

Probably Jonas sounds like it. Just had to show tattoos, man. Like wrestling dudes just like, oh man, had tattoo guys. And that we were talking about this before. But the disconnect with wrestling and music is sometimes. when a guy's growing up and he like knows he wants to be a wrestler it's like all right i'm going to get super jacked so i can be a wrestler and when you're like getting super jacked and your life is getting super jacked

you get into music when you're like 25 yeah like you didn't have time in your life to like get into music so you're like an adult who's like all right i'm finally jacked i know i'm going to do wrestling what kind of music is out there dude i'm yeah i'm Dude, I, and I, I love all my wrestling friends. Like, they're, they're all great. But, like, and I, and I told them this, this is probably, like, two months ago. I was like, guys, I'm over being mad at people for liking music. Like, it's just stupid.

Like, if you like your shit, you like your shit, good, man, that's fine. And if you're listening to it and you're happy listening to it and you put it on, I'm going to respect it. I'm going to be happy watching you listen to music that you like listening. too. And that's fine. Everyone listens to fucking corn and limp biscuit in this world, in wrestling. And dude, it got to the point where I was just like, I can't try to make you guys understand that those bands are bad. So now I'm just going to start liking it when it's on. And I had to like fix my brain. Dude, I still don't like. I'm not putting it on in my personal time. But like,

when I'm hanging with wrestler dudes and they put limp biscuit on and they put corn on, I just kind of roll with it now. Like it's not like, you know, it's, it's not worth it. And like, it's sick that they want to know about other music and stuff like that. And it's kind of sick that they want to show me music. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And like, yeah, yeah. That's where the idea came from for this podcast I want to do. And it was, it literally is just like, one day, me, Hannah and in Orange Cassidy were sitting at this. There was like a day where there was some sort of holiday, but we happened to all be at the same place. So we all went to this. like barbecue place. There was like cornhole outside. And me, Hannah and Jim, or Orange are like sitting

there. And he was just like in him, he was just like, you know when someone's just like lost in something? Like me and Hannah were like talking and like Orange was just sitting there going like this. And there was like a pop song on with like some like a female singer or whatever. Yeah. And I mean, dude, he was like somewhere else. He was just sitting there listening a song and I just asked him. I was like, dude, what is it about this song that, like, you like, and he was like, oh, man, like her voice is so beautiful. Like, listen to this hook right here. And he was, like, started pointing out, like, hooks.

And he started pointing out, like, he gets it stuff. Dude, you could see how much, like, music kind of, like, moved them. And I was like, dude, how sick would it be to, like have people who aren't in music, talk about music and why it makes them, like, move? In some way, shape, or form. And, dude, then you start, if you think of it that way and you see one of your friends who isn't into music like you,

listening to something that you normally would never listen to. Yeah. And then explain it to you. You start seeing it with a different, like different perspective. Well, yeah, because there's no, there's no like gatekeeping of like, ah, but the, yeah, but the production is like. Yeah. They don't know shit about anything.

They don't know who played on it. They don't know. they just know that they like the way it hits their ears. That's like the most objective way to look like. It really is. I have a phrase called co-worker. Co-worker approved is my music phrase. If I write a song and I show it to somebody who like,

like if I show it to Brody, I know he's going into it like it's fucking suck. Like I know where his brain is coming from, you know. But like, but like Dejani Johnson, my favorite co-worker ever from a TV show I used to work on. If I, like, if I show him like, eyes adjust. And he's like, that's what I'm like, all right, this song is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My coworker likes it. That means it's good. Are there, sorry, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Are there other, like, besides Brody, are there any corpsmen that you've met, who you didn't know were into even anything close to? kind of where we come from. New York dudes kind of know about some shit.

Like I remember, like, I brought up, like, Candiria to, like, Ortiz, and Ortiz knew about Candiria. And I'll,

I'll, like, I kind of, like, wrote this paper. This is so weird at, like, 40, I was 43 at the time. And it was, like,

last year, and FTR and LACs were going to do, they were going to finally work for the first time. And I had, dude, like, as a tag team, wrestler, like, that is seriously, like, fucking, like, uh, that is like,

I'm trying to, like, it's like Beethoven playing with Bach for the first time. No, no, no, not even, like, don't even like think of it like that. If you, like, look at their styles, it's like John Cougar Mellencamp versus like candoria. Like, like, LAX is like every single posse, proud and powerfuless, every single possible, like, genre in, in wrestling. they're going to take some lucha thing and mind you listen to me like listen to the words i'm saying and equate it to music right you can so like they take elements of like lucha japanese american memphis old florida and they they will take it and then turn it and like make it their way so they'll take like the first half of a lucha move and finish it with like this like

american strong style and then you have this like weird hybrid where like ftr is mainly just fucking go, go, go. They're just work horses. And like, it's, it's like that. And I wrote this, like, paper about, like, the juxtaposition between, like, styles and how you can equate it to music, where it's like, you have this, like,

American, like, standard, just hard rock. You know what I mean? Like, oh, here we are. You know, these guys drive pickup trucks and fucking, you know, there's dirt under their nails. And, like, you know what I mean? Like, then you have, like, like, proud and powerful who are like street kids who like took all this like all these different

like things and made it into this like crazy thing. So like you have this weird hybrid like candirian. I remember like making them like playlists. I was like here listen to this and like this is you in music. Yeah. Yeah. And I literally I was too late on it. Like I got it to Tony Conn and I was like, can I like do something with this? And it was just too. too late. Like he already already already had stuff like planned for all this or whatever. But like I think of like wrestling when I think of like music, like almost like putting a playlist on. Interesting. Oh, that's. Yeah. A lot of things just clicked in my brain with that. That's very weird as fuck man. When you see like you watch a certain match like go back. There's a match.

There's a really great match. If anyone wants to watch it, it's low key in Japan wrestling for pro wrestling, Noah. against um kind of motto and that match the way they structure that match it's like the sickest

it's like a death metal match dude like it's just fucking it's so brutal and like the way they like stack the end it's just like a breakdown at the end of a song like it's it's like thinking of a song

that like goes to a breakdown like 43% perip by like Dillinger escape player where you just have all this stuff and then they hit you with like the big fuck and hammer at the end. You know what I mean? Yes.

And like it, if you can like equate that shit and watch wrestling and music, it's just, it's literally the same exact thing, but you're just watching, you're using your eyes instead of using your ears, but you're also using your ears because like certain bumps are bigger than other bumps. You know what I mean? Like in the beginning of a match, you're going to have like pitter patter. In the middle of the match, you're going to have like, you're going to have a few big ones, but like everything is just going to be like medium. And then at the end it's going to be boom, boom, boom.

Man, I wish more bands knew this analogy. Because I don't think a lot of people that write music understand that like, you need to make me stay till the end. Yes. Like there's other music is not your competition. Like, you know how many movies and TV shows I have access to right now that I want to watch that I'm going to watch? but if I put on a new song and like, like you said,

the middle of the song, give me the, give me the extra pitter pattern where I'm like, where's this going? And then the finish, give me something that, like by the end,

the finish is the only, basically the only thing you're going to remember. Yeah. And wrestling and in music a lot of the time. Yeah. A lot of people remember the beginning and the end. That's it. This is blowing my mind, dude.

Yeah. It's so interesting. Also, something I've noticed about, you know, very few wrestlers who are like really doing it, who I've met. And it's similar with musicians and touring musicians specifically. They do not mind talking shop all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when when me and me and my friend picked up Brody after the New Japan thing and we went and got food, I'm always like, I don't want to, I don't want to ask.

Yeah. And loves it. Yeah. But the thing is, is like, that's like, it's, like, I'm trying to, like, being in a band is very narcissistic. There's a lot of things like that we don't, like normal people don't have fucking 400 people screaming at them. Like, it's just not a normal thing. Like, it's a very weird thing that we do. And like, it fills your head with weird things.

And like, understanding, like, for 24 years, dude, I got adulation every single night. And then now I don't. I have it once a week, obviously. Like, I'm still in entertainment. But, like, that, like, going into a show and, like, walking on stage with the guitar and then, like, everyone feels that presence. Yeah. It's a really fucked up thing to a normal person because they don't get that.

You know what I mean? They never get that. So, like, you know, a crowd of, like, four people and them telling, like, a really crack and joke, like, that's their audience. You know what I mean? And they never really get to feel what? we do. Where was I going with this? What do we start talking about? You're talking about the last thing I said was talking show. Oh yeah, yeah. So like, dude, it's a prideful thing. Like what we do is prideful.

And like in wrestling, you're not, it's not in a band. So everything we do in wrestling, you build yourself. So like we have to build the character and we have to like make sure that that character is like protected. And like there's like a weird like it's a not. It's a not. narcissist thing because like it's mine you know what I mean so like when you want to talk shop of course I want to talk shop I'm proud of this you know what I mean and I think that with wrestling dude it's so wizard of Oz you know what I mean everything is behind the veil so of course you should have questions right you know what I mean like that's what got me back into wrestling like four or five years ago whenever I started watching again was because when I was a kid I didn't know about the behind

the scene stuff. And then I was touring and you learned about music behind the scene stuff and industry stuff and all that shit. And then once you start, once you put on like a couple

top ten moments of this or whatever on YouTube. Oh, I mean, that's what did is like the top 20 W.W.E. returns of all time when fucking

when diesel walks into whatever Royal Rumble that is and everyone goes insane. And then you start to kind of watch shoot interviews and blah, blah, and you realize like, this is, oh, this band got a push. Oh, this wrestler is getting, like, it's the same fucking.

And that is, that is specifically what was the catalyst that got me back into wrestling years ago. And that's why this show, that's what this show kind of is. Yeah, straight up, yeah. And a music sense. Yeah. Andy, one of my favorite. But that's a good thing.

Please. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. I'm segueing. So if you have anything else. No, no, go.

One of my favorite memories, period. was 4th of July in the middle of fucking nowhere, Missouri. And you grilling and us lighting off fireworks in a parking lot and getting yelled at and playing bags, cornhole, and just being like on Warp Tour with like, we say this often, and I am going to,

I'm going to embarrass you a little bit, but we do say that like, every time I die from having not met you to touring with you, then touring again on Warb, tour, which is like simultaneously the easiest and most difficult tour at the same time. I wish every one of my friends got a chance to do a warped tour that didn't have the opportunity to like see it. Yeah.

Because everyone would have like some sort of connotation. And it was like, dude, like you're living on a city. You live on this like weird moving city. It's not the city you're in. It's this weird bubble. It's a weird strange thing, but it's great. I'll never know. And yeah, I mean, dude,

honestly God, I hope it comes back. I would love to do another one. It was straight up best tour we've ever done. I love it. But what I was going to say is you guys are often the example of like, if,

if Harms Way or whatever we're involved with ever, like got bigger, got to a point where it's like, like where every time I die was, it's like, that's how we need to operate. From like striking drums at small shows. just to give the other band's room. Yeah.

To like, you guys would finish and immediately start tearing down together as a group to being easy about monetary stuff and all the, like, high-end bullshit. Yeah, that was it. Like, you guys were straight up, and again, I'm going to embarrass you,

like the closest thing to rock stars in our music without being fucking assholes. You know what I mean? Yeah. being a rock star yeah and it was always like you have to like i think that like the five of us always had the our only agenda for a show was that it was a show you know what i mean like from the first band to the last band like you're there enjoying the show and like a lot of bands take that away from the opening

bands and like that would happen to us all the time we would tour with bands we were friends with dude and we would open for them and then they would push the drums. They would have nothing on stage but the drums would be pushed up as far as he could do. And you're like, I've never like, I guess maybe now I would probably do it because like it's kind of fucked up like looking back like, dude, we're friends and you know that like the band that we are, we have to move around stage. So you're literally taking that away from us. Totally.

To make us. And you could push your shit back fucking like eight feet. But like bands will. do that. And they're like, I never wanted to get to a point where like we were doing that dumb bullshit where it was like our name needs to be this much bigger on the flyer. You know what I mean? Like

it's so petty and bullshit and you're missing the point. And if that's the shit you care about on tour, like you honestly don't get it. That's exactly my point. That you guys were like the perfect example of a band that had momentum and was killing it

but was fucking super punk and DIY. Yeah. Perfect. We learned it all from Converge. I know that. I know that. I know that. And we've toured with them too. And I can say the same thing, straight up.

Yeah. And that was like, dude, that, like, Converge is like the model band. I mean, like, regardless of music, like, they're the model band. They've been together for 30 years. Yeah. Like doing what they want to do. They never fucking ever, ever compromised.

And they still aren't compromising. And they did a record that you could. could consider a compromise with fucking Chelsea Wolf and it ended up being like one of the best records. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. It's unreal, dude. Like, I think that to me, neurosis is their converge, right?

Yes, that's, yes, yes. Yeah, and that's true. Again, dude, like you want to talk about a band that's done any, everything they've ever wanted to do? And that was, that should be the goal, dude, right? Be neurosis. Being in a band, doing everything you want to do. Well, also be neurosis.

You know what I'll never get to do? What? Tour with every time I die. Well, you don't know, but maybe you'll tour with me, though. Now you're cooking, baby. There you go. Dude. Yeah.

Yeah. This was a wonderful pleasure. We barely talked about touring. I mean, we talked about some bugs on my arm and then stuff like that. Well, just do a part two. I'll do this any time. You guys ever ask me, I always do. Yeah, there are certain people who I know we will have on.

Yeah. Yeah. Because I just know we just scratched the surface. Give them categories. Yeah. Next time I'm on, like have a bullet point that we can talk about it. I have a couple.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the next time you pick another one. And that, yeah. Anyways, this is a great, this is an,

that's an awesome background. But this is a great podcast. Like, if you guys like honestly, like, do this right and have people like talking about tour and like, it's kind of hard and like like I said I didn't really want to talk about this stuff but I'll just say it right now I just haven't talked publicly about the band breaking up so like um it's one of those things like man you guys don't realize like when it's gone you like you don't realize how much you respected it like you know what I mean like that type of thing the little bullshit that like dude showing up at a venue and seeing a fucking monitor guy wearing a fucking kilt like I'll never fucking you know mean like it's gone man like you know what i mean and then like i want that you know and it when you don't

have it you've done something for 24 years like you start realizing like when the band first broke up i was like oh fuck what am i going to do what am i going to do blah blah blah like i'm 44 this has been the thing that made me money for so long and like how long you know wrestling is only my it's only going to last i'm 44 dude you know what i mean so you have these freakouts like that and then then there's like grieving and I'm still grieving and stuff like that but like you just have this like these weird memories that you kind of remember and it's not the memories you think you'd remember when the when something's gone and it's the dumb shit it's just the dumb shit it's it's it's like going to eating steak in Vegas you know what I mean like with you guys that was one of the

best meals in my whole life you know what I mean like that Delmonicos type of shit. Shout out Delmonicles. Shout out to Emerald. But like, you know, like, it's, it's things like that that like you don't realize you're not going to have one day. You know what I mean? And it's, it's hard to think about. I thought I was going to get way more emotional and I'm not. So that's great. So that means I'm kind of moving on. Um, but like it's, it's that shit we're like, dude, like I used to hate getting up in the morning and getting in the van. Now, dude, when Hana and I like get to go drive somewhere I'm like like I'm so ready to get in the van and just car and go

yeah like you know what I mean and and she's been really good at that so she'll like always kind of take me on a little like road trip just so I can get back on the road get a sheep's in me and then oh hell yeah and she's the best man we once on water we we ubered from wherever we were in maybe West Virginia Ubered into Ohio just to go to Sheets. Yeah. It just made a run. And like during the day, that day, you're probably like, man, like, we're just going to do this.

It's going to be a pain in the ass. But now you think about that and you talk about that. And you're like, I would give anything to do that again. Yeah. No problem. Yeah. The biggest inconveniences become the best memories. Yeah, because, dude, and the thing is, too, man, like, the one thing that, like, I hope that you guys

I mean, you guys have been touring for a really long time, but like, don't, don't like lose the wonder, man. You know what I mean? Like, go see shit and fucking, there was so many times where like, I wish I had spent the time to just walk around downtown some city or like, yeah, yeah. Go see something. And, you know, it's, it's, I always kind of got freaked out. I would get to town and I would like, and I would like, oh, my, they got to get a workout in. I got to, you know what I mean? I'd have like my list.

And I totally blew past like seeing stuff. Of course. Yeah. You know, so now it's cool, like, when I'm in these cities and I can, like, get up early and just kind of cruise and go see some shit and then go to the show. It's kind of nice. I kind of just got the wonder, which is, which sucks. You what? I got it a little too late.

Like, I look at some of the cities I've been. I'm like, well, I would have liked to have done that. And I think I was just so tired. Oh, man. The whole time that I never did anything. Yeah. We got to do it. Yeah, we have like a.

at like we're like a five out of five everyone goes and does stuff yeah kind of a thing Taylor your brother didn't do shit no that's where I get it from I tour with him so I'm I'm in the the don't do stuff band yeah yeah you also tour with your brother man that's like really cool like that like that like that like I don't know you know I mean I never had I never had a I never had a family member on tour with me I wish I had it yeah it like Taylor nice dynamic is is like very unique, you know? He's like kind of my brother, kind of my best friend, but also we'll be like, fuck you, you know.

Yeah, which is, you know, that's part of the course. But it, like, it keeps us both well behaved, I think. Like, neither of us are like, what's the word? I don't know. Like, neither of us are freaks, like in any capacity. So I think being together, we're probably, like, maybe that's why we're not fun to tour with. maybe you might want to quit our band. So, like, I get it.

Yeah, I think I'm ready to start having fun. Oh, yeah, dude. But I'm not touring anymore, so it's like, it's too late for me to have fun. Yeah, but, dude, got, Scott, Kate, you're going to go to Japan. Yeah, you know you're going to be touring. Don't say you're not touring. You're in, like, you're actively in, like, 16 bands. At some point in time, one of those things.

But only, like, one of them is even doing something. There's a new one. But that one can kill Fests. Yeah. The last time, Austin, every time I die, played together,

was at Unify Fest in Australia. That paid super great and is basically like a one-off warped tour show. And It's played. And it was one of those like, ah, kind of things. We were there for 18 hours. I remember that.

There's no reason. Wait, did you stay at that weird house with us? No, we drove back to our friends. Oh, we stayed at this scary house and I, this big house in the middle of this field. And I had just listened to this like true crime story about a fucking city in Australia close to where we were where these dudes came in and literally like machete a family.

Oh, sick. So I'm like, dude, I was terrified to stay. I was like, I remember like calling Han and I was like, dude, I might get machete tonight. Like I might someone might come in here and fucking macheteen there's a machete. Dude, I can't listen to true crime anymore. I can't listen to true crime anymore. Oh, wow. Yeah, can't do it.

Yeah. All right, you perverts. It was surrounded by high grass, and they straight up were like, don't go in there. Yeah. Just like, don't wander into the grass. Because there's a machete guy? No, fucking velociraptors or whatever they have.

Yeah, there could be anything. Australia's got those real bad. Something could grab you and just take you. No one would ever know. Yeah. Well, all right, man. this was a wonderful conversation. Have me on again.

Have me on again. Yeah, absolutely. This might be two parts. I don't know. It's fucking long. Yeah. So that's awesome. Do it.

I have a segment. I'll tell a joke every week. I love, oh, see, you'll be our, what's the guy on, what's the guns? Jeff McKegan. Yeah, you'll be our, Def McKegan. But I'll do it like this, then, and then I'll just leave. All right. This was a pleasure.

Andy, it's always good to see you. It's been so long. I might see you this month at, or I might see you at double or nothing, so that'll be no. You'll 100% see me at double or nothing. I'll be there. I might. Yeah.

If you're going to go there, I'll be there. Now we're cooking, baby. Well, we'll see you all next week. Andy will be back very soon because this was just so lovely. Please. So thank you guys and see you next week. Please. All right.

Love you guys. Bye. It sucks. Okay. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha