HardLore - Catching Up with HardLore (Touring with Deafheaven, playing Riot Fest & More!)

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Colin and Bo catch up in our first new episode recorded in 5 weeks after Harms Way's recent tour with Deafheaven, playing Riot Fest, Furnace Fest, and 20,000 miles worth of other shows around the country. We talked all about the tour and answered questions from our Patreon members and from the HardLore instagram. Enjoy byeeeeeee._____________________________Edited by Steven Grise (@iamoneonenineseven) • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf (@marzluf) • Thumbnail by HardLore: A Knotfest SeriesJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepodJoin the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggefHardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.co,_____________________________FOLLOW HARDLORE:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepodSPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrpAPPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe #HARDLORE #HARDCORE_____________________________00:00:00 - Start00:07:06 - Deafheaven/Harms Way Tour00:12:23 - Playing with Lamb of God/Body Count00:09:31 - Riot Fest00:16:20 - One Battle After Another00:20:42 - Furnace Fest00:28:57 - Davey Havok episode retrospective00:33:50 - Q&A Start00:35:43 - Reflecting on our time in hardcore/straight edge00:38:13 - Ethel Cain00:42:16 - Greatest Fake Band00:45:51 - Night Patrol Premiere00:49:02 - Within These Walls00:52:05 - Top 4 Horror Movies00:56:59 - Favorite Metallica Record Guitar Tones00:59:12 - FTC Boston01:02:07 - Night Patrol Set Anecdotes01:06:00 - Top 5 Cups (of coffee)01:08:23 - Top 4 Honorary HC bands01:10:04 - Instagram Aesthetic Films01:14:04 - Favorite Song In A Horror Movie01:16:29 - Riff First or Drums?01:19:42 - Not A Fan, Would See Them If It Was Free Though01:23:37 - Kickback01:27:24 - Judging Non Edge People01:28:34 - New Taylor Swift Album01:31:21 - Overrated Horror Icon01:33:41 - Top 5 American Cities For Food01:34:56 - Best Comeback Album01:37:37 - Favorite Horror Movie of the Year01:42:31 - 31 for 31  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You played Riot Fest for the first time. Yeah, and I do want to highlight this. Riot Fest was just a very sentimental thing for the band. Was the crowd receptive of the Chicago aspect of the band? Oh, yeah. You know, you can do one of those things when you're on a run where you could tell how the show is going to be by certain reactions. So, like, when Chris goes out to start the sample, and it was like...

Oh, so you're like, oh, shit, we're good. We're good. And then I walked out, and I did one of these, and it was... And I was like, and then James walked out and it was panamonium. Hello, welcome. It's our Lord time. How you doing, Bo? But my son returns, right?

But be my beau-loved. Back in the chair. I'm back, baby. Five weeks. Everybody sees us every week in sequential order. So they don't know that these things are recorded way ahead of time. This is, it's Monday right now. Monday the week. You're hearing this three days later.

Yes, exactly. I had, the hilarious thing that happens is when people come up to me on Thursdays on tour and say like, hey, I loved when you said this. And I'm like, ah. What? That was weeks. I said that. When was that? It's crazy, man.

But we're back, Bose back from his U.S. tour. Harm's Way was just out with Def Heaven. Tell me all about it. I promised the world was the opener. Def Heaven are lovely. You'd never met him. Never. We met briefly. I met George and his brother Liam very briefly at Sound and Fury this past year. And we knew we were touring together. So that was kind of like, oh, hey, but that was it.

But you know what's funny is Sunbather came out when you and I were on tour together for the first time. I vividly remember the day it came out because, or not the day, the time frame came out. The time frame, yes. And I have a very specific anecdote about it. I was waiting in line with Mike. Cesaria. I believe the iPhone 5 was coming out. Sure. Yeah.

That sounds about right. You know? Yeah. Yeah. 5, 6, 7, somewhere in there. The good design. The rectangle. Yeah, the good one.

And Mike and I were waiting. We were like, should we just wait? We're in Minnesota. Should we wait in line at the Apple store as you used to overnight? Yep. We were on the local news in Minnesota. Talking, talking. Talking from California, waiting for the phone.

Yeah. And then over the phone. overnight we saw them change the Apple store wall decor around the new iPhone and the new iOS. And it was when they, I think it was when Apple Music officially launched. Okay. Which had that red orange gradient. Yes. And they picked a bunch of albums with red, orange gradients to be featured on it.

There's like eight things on the wall, the window of the Apple store. And Sunbeather was on there. Wow. So I'm in my mind, I'm like, fuck this man. Yeah, of course. And they would say the same thing. 100%. Yeah. Like, yeah. So I, but in real, and the back of my mind, I'm like, that's so cool. I'm so jealous. This record's going to be so huge. And then I listened to it and it was like, this record's going to be so huge. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it is like an instant modern classic. So they're awesome. And yeah, I remember, I remember like sitting next to you. I listened to this record the night we were in England and didn't have a place to stay. And some of us slept in the

trailer. Here's a picture of that, which I do have. Wow, that was crazy. But I remember, listen, so it was kind of funny because, like, 2013 was blinded for harm's ways. It was kind of, like, we're starting, you know. My favorite,

yeah. We got a new record. It's on Death Wish Records. It's called Blinded. Yeah, that was said. The song's called Blinded. So it was cool kind of like, we had never interface of kind of getting to know them and being like, you know, they're, I would say, more popular than us, but we just had a similar trajectory of like same time, we're really

touring heavy and, you know what I mean? And kind of, so that was cool. Same label for a bit. Same label for a minute and just, you know, and yeah, they're awesome. All of them were really cool. Day one, it was like, they're on Helix, like the Line 6 stuff. And they were like, yeah, you want to check it out? You want borrow it? Here, I could hook you up with the guy, like, immediately very welcoming, very cool. Everyone's really nice. Did you try it? Didn't try it.

I'm quad. I'm quad it out, dude. I'm all quad. I'm quad. Were they asking you about the quad? Yeah, a little bit. You know, it's,

when you talk to people who are, they're geared guys. So talking gear with people like that is, it's, you're, your wizards out there. You're, you're,

you know, nor are totally. My dogs are watching Lord of the Rings in my bedroom as to speak. Could you imagine what it's like? It's, I mean, it's always,

favorite show, for one. It's the only thing that, this as this is happening every week, if my wife is not home, my dogs are in the bedroom watching Lord of the Rings. So awesome. It's the only thing that gets them to stop. Zoe resembles a wizard. She's gray.

You know? She'll come back white when I inevitably clone him. I promise the world opened. These are, the oldest one's 22. These are little bitty babies. If this wasn't my room, I would to spit take to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're young. I like that. 22 year olds on the road, dude. And this was like their first by their, by their words, in their words, their first real tour.

They are managed by a friend of the show Greg of the Mongoloids and as well, Sal from Coyo. As we discussed in the Greg episode, you agreed to let them use your backline in that episode. Did that happen? They sure did. And did. Did they break anything? They did. Oh, yeah. They broke a guitar, used Nick's guitar for a while. bass player used Casey's stuff. We helped them out. But you know what? Cool.

I mean, you know, that's what we're... We were the same way. We were the same way. You know, we were the same exact way. So they were cool. They're in, they're as niche as it gets, in my opinion. They are 2002 emo metalcore sideways white belt music. It's very interesting.

And like, but the thing is they know their shit. They know bands I've never heard of from that era. I mean, that's what it's all about. Yeah. That's why we're here today. Yeah. We knew our little micro things in our little micro world. Yeah.

Yeah. We care. I want bands that care. I got... About their freaky stuff. Just a couple, like, notes of what I wanted to talk about. Don't me. So this tour was crazy.

We did about 20,000 miles on this van. 20,000 miles. To drive from Miami to Seattle is 3,600 miles. So I just want to put that in. Miami to Seattle? Yeah. It's 36. Is that the farthest drive you can do in the country?

That was the farthest drive that Google showed me in America. So we did that about six times. So. Because the first week was like go go out to kind of the Carolinas and then back to Milwaukee. And then it was go out to like Tennessee area and then back for Riot Fest. So we just did a bunch of this, right? Riot Fest. Was it all the same tour?

Yeah, yep. We just missed some dates. And of course, they was like New Jersey, PA, Connecticut. Oh my God. You've really been gone that long. Yeah. Yeah. How are you doing? You got, and then I don't think people understand you got home about two hours. Yeah, I got home, opened some mail, showered. Here I am. I'm doing good. My, I'm going through some serious back issues. I've been feeling okay lately. I've been stretching by going forward, right, touching my toes and stuff. found out no good. This is bad for the back. You got to go hyper-extent. You got to go backwards,

which is kind of difficult to do, but whatever. For dead hang? Dude, if I see a structure that I think can support about 200 soaking wet, I'm on there. How long you dead-hanging when you're hanging? 30 seconds.

Yeah, that's when it's just like, my hands hurt. Yeah, it's her hands. If I had straps, it'd be all day, you know? All day. But yeah, back hurts. I think it's hip stuff. I think it's from sitting.

It's from sitting in the van. And just being in this position. We're not what we once were. No. No, no, no, no. I haven't even mentioned your beautiful beard. Oh, thank you. What do we think?

Look at you go. I think once this connects here, once this connects. Yeah, it's coming. And then once the flavor saver grows out a little bit, I think I'll be all right. Disgusting. It's really gross. But I think I'm almost there. The neck...

You're doing great. This is as thick as can be. It's pathetic. That's how it goes, though. It's unreal. Orish. Very oirish. I got grays in here and shit

We're neck first That's how it goes Okay so you did a lot of driving You got home today Did have a beard You played Riot Fest for the first time Yeah And I do want to highlight this

Riot Fest was just a very sentimental thing For the band I wish I was there I wish you were too We weren't We were in Chicago for less than 24 hours All in

You know what I mean Like we went to the fest That day and then left from the fest To go to Minneapolis Like we didn't go home So that sucked. But Riot Fest was really cool. Everything we asked for we got as far as like getting my mom in, getting Taylor in.

You know, anybody, anything we asked for was provided. Everyone in there was cool. Shout out to Mo, who was just always the best. And everybody involved with that. We really had a great time. Playing it really felt like, like, finally. You know what I mean? Yeah.

That's what it felt like. And it was really good. Knocked loose watched us from start to finish. All of them. Every single one of their crew and band watched us on the side of the stage because they're the best. A lot of friends. My mom saw the whole thing. I did Pete Townsend for my mom.

Yeah, you got it. It was very important to me. Yeah, and it was really cool. I think there was like... Was the crowd receptive of the Chicago aspect of the band? Like, were they aware? Oh, yeah. So the way we did this.

set was there's like a little a sampled intro playing and then we play a little intro that we made up. And then James comes out during the intro of it goes intro intro intro, but human carrying capacity starts and that's when James comes out. And like we, you know, you can do one of those things when you're on a run where you could

tell how the show is going to be by certain reactions. Yeah. Like when someone walks out, so like when Chris goes out to start the sample, yeah. Oh, so you're like, oh shit, we're good. We're good. And then I walked out and I did one of these and it was and I was like and then James walked out

and it was panamonium so that was cool the crowd was receptive I think there was about 20,000 people watching us was Lori Lightfoot there? She was not

she's no longer the mayor what was she there I mean is she she may have been there dude the fucking what was she the Rona killer remember that

dude for Halloween she was the Rona killer she's one of the funniest people to ever I hate her Did the picture of her with the beers After losing Wasn't that immediately after losing?

Yeah, it was like night of So crazy She is I hope she does stand up And just goes out and goes I try out Yeah So I hope she was there

That's good Riot Fest was dope We got out of there Went to Just north of Minneapolis To play a casino show With a little band called I hate God, or I hate God,

Lamb of God. Nice. And buy a count. How was that? You met my man, ice, man. You live my dream. So we get there. It's an amphitheater at a casino.

Yeah. We load in, do everything. Catering's fine. Go into the casino, lose money immediately. Run into Randy. Say hello. That was nice.

Somebody ran into us in the casino was like, hey, are you guys from his way? We were like, yeah. You know, hey, how's it going? Are you here for the show? And they were like, what show? Pure coincidence. They were just at this casino.

Were they fucking with you? No. They were like, oh, no, we can't go. We have to, we're leaving. They were just at the casino. We were like, well, guessless do you? We don't know anybody. Pretty cool.

Yeah, pretty cool. Got, yeah, so that was cool. And then, uh... Was that show cool? Show was incredible. If we... Wow. If we did a tour with Lamb of God, we'd be millionaires.

I really think that that... Land O'Gon-Harsway casino run? Dude. Make it happen. Maybe not millionaires after it, but, you know, You know. Lamb of God's whole crew really cool. I met Willie said hello to Randy.

Everyone else was very nice. Body count is unbelievable, dude. Yeah. Dude, they sound check. I have to talk, you're going to love this. They sound checked and, like, there are videos of like Pearl Jam back of the day where like Eddie Vedder's like jumping off speaker stacks during soundcheck.

Like he's going nuts. That's what body count's doing. They're going ham for sound check? They're going all out because it's like this is like dress rehearsal. Oh shit. Think about it. So they're going all out, but not in like a whack way. They're like, they're really, they're just, they're into it.

They're playing. And everyone except IST, because ICT is kind of directing stuff. Yeah. He's kind of like, turn this up. For real. Wow. He's involved. It's not just like set up.

You would never know. That's just not how that world works. Not, no, dude. So then show happens. Our set went great, had a great time. Hope to do it again. They start playing. They open with the intro, body count.

Then they played raining blood into post-mortem. Like in their entirety. In their entirety, all the way through. And then they play, there goes the neighborhood. Like, that's the opening rock block of body count. And it was fucking awesome, dude. That's so cool. All of a marine, full body count gear, all of it.

Like, all the way. For sure. Little Ice, Ice T's son. who's in the band is wearing a harm's way shirt because he fucking he rocks you know like they're really cool we obviously wanted to meet him i sent a text to friend of the show will putney thank you will got he all of a sudden a door opened and there was one of the body count guys in like the baseball jacket goes young gentlemen and he has us in we say hello we get the pick everything was really cool so awesome there you know we didn't overstay it was just one of those things we was like

Hey, it's really nice to meet you. Thank you guys for being so cool. They offered like some of their sodas and, you know, whatever. It was nice. And then we got the hell out of there. Had to go back to Chicago because we were on our way to wherever the fuck. I don't even remember. I saw a tweet of Isis the other day.

Yeah. Which is, you know, I see one every day at this point. It's my, I live by them. But there's one where some guy was like, something along the lines of like, Ice, you pioneered both hip hop and new metal. Yeah. And he's like, what's new metal? What's that? And they try to explain to him how he's involved in New Metal.

And he says, I always thought of us more like New York hardcore. I saw the same thing. And to see him say NYHC was just like, all right, he is the man. He gets it. He rules. He rules. Just a cool guy. So that was awesome.

We got back on the tour, met up with them again. I forget where along this time, we don't have to get totally into it, because I know this will be explosive. We saw one battle after another. We really liked it. Had a great time. Had a great time. Want to see it again. Okay. Had a great time. I don't, I didn't love it. I don't want to spoil stuff. No, no, of course not. I didn't love it as much as some as most, it seems. However, want to see it again. Really enjoyed it. I think you wanting to see it again is proof. Yeah. That there's something in there that you'll like more or later. Dude, I, because you are king grower. I respectfully. Believe me.

Yeah. As we say, as I say, yeah. Did you finish Eddington yet? No, not yet. Yeah, you got to finish it. Yeah, stuff does grow on me, for sure. And, and I'm, I'm, I'm willing. Okay.

I'm willing. I want to like stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, of course. During one battle or after another, I don't, I'm not going to spoil anything. I'm not going to get into story or anything. Yeah, yeah. I saw it in Vista vision at the Vista.

Like, it's true, like, it's purest form. So beautiful. I had such, I was getting emotional at, like, mundane. Whenever they would show, like, nothingness. Yes. I would just revel in, like, that looks so. I haven't seen something like this. A new thing like this, maybe ever.

There's a... It's the most beautiful viewing experience I've ever had. There's a shot where main antagonist meets up with bounty hunter and they're in the canyon. And that was just like, holy fuck. This looks crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's awesome. So we had a great time. I just want to set the record straight. We had a great time. Okay. I just, James and I got, James and I do most of the driving. I drive at night. At night, we get into the discussion of, okay, in our minds, a five-star movie is like

something you wouldn't change. Let's just say for the sake of argument, that's what it means, right? So then it's like, okay, what's a movie where there's like not one thing you would change? You know, or that you were like, yeah, okay, I'm not crazy about that. Yeah, but dude, even, like, I know a perfect movie to you is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah. And I know you didn't think that the first time you saw it.

No, I definitely didn't. Definitely didn't. And this, this movie gave me the same feeling as the departed and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood did. The first time I saw them was like, this is unbelievable. What I'm seeing is unbelievable. Every second of this is intentional. I would probably get once upon a time in Hollywood just shy of five because the ending is a little wacky.

Just not perfect. It's just maybe something I would change. Whereas the godfather, it's like I'm not changing a scene in that. Good fellas. We've had 50 years to ruminate on it. Hey, good point. Takes time. Good point.

Great point. Great point. I'm open. I'm willing. Anyway. My back is exploding. Oh, dude, we played a town called Bentonville, Arkansas. You ever been to Bentonville, Arkansas?

You know damn damn, Bentonville, Arkansas. It is the headquarters of Walmart. Oh, shit. So the town itself is Walmart. Colin? The town feels like Bioshock 3. Just impending doom. It feels like Americana.

Yeah. And like... At what cost? When the Saints come marching in, but then there's something, dude. There's something going on. That's like the peacemaker. Have you watched peacemakers season two? I have, and I would like to.

I've heard great things. Sounds like that. Dude. There's a dark secret. That's what it felt like. Okay. It's nice. Everybody's held at gunpoint by Walmart.

Dude. Smile. Yes. So there was like a gym spa that we got access to for playing this venue that was owned in part by Walmart and road microphones. What? Yeah. So I went to this spa and there's like steam room, robes, jacuzzi, free drinks, whatever the fuck.

And then it was like, have a good one. And it just felt. I won't. It felt weird, man. It was so strange. So anybody around there, and that's the other thing, no one lives there. Oh, so it's not like a Fort Wayne Sweetwater situation where everyone lives there. Well, so everyone loves it.

Everyone has to commute in. So then some chaos. Big events on the tour. Yeah. What do we got? Yeah. Then chaos begins. We have to fly from San Jose to Furness Fest, Birmingham.

Oh, yes, yes. Our van has to get from San Jose to Fort Collins. Is that Colorado? Yes, sir. Just north of Denver. So the homie, Jared, L.A. zone. Jared Stoser? Stoser, that's it.

Oh, fuck yeah. He drove it for us, got it there safe and sound, even put on the trailer lock, which James really appreciated. 818. Got it there. 818. Got it there. No problem.

We were at Furnace Fest for like, dude. We have been using... Tell me about Furnace Fest. Yeah. We've been using Priceline for 14 years. 14 years, okay? Have maybe had, couldn't count on two hands, the amount of problems. We're talking thousands of reservations.

Yeah, no, for sure. I don't trust them. I'm no... We get to the... Shatner's full of shit. We get to the Sheridan in Birmingham. and we, because the lady who's just the least helpful person I've ever experienced tells us that, oh, price line hasn't given us the money, and we can't take your card

because it's going to double charge or something, whatever. So you're going to have to call them. We waited in the lobby at midnight for two hours to get into this. After having a flight with two layovers, we flew southwest for some God knows reason. Oh, dude. Never do that. This is strike five. Yeah. Never fly. Southwest. I hope that company fucking burns.

Just give me a seat number. It's crazy that they haven't. And now the luggage isn't free. So what's the benefit? Yeah, there's nothing. Give me a number. It's spirit. It's worse than spirit. It's worse than spirit. You don't get a seat design. It's insane, dude. So I fucking, so we're, we're not feeling great. But furnace fest was cool. Like, it was one of those things where loading in was a nightmare. You remember when we were there? Yes. Same thing. But now you have gear. Yeah. You know? Those, those fests with the big, big plots of land that you got to navigate without being able to drive into.

And no one knows what's going on. And like some security guy who got hired for the weekend, he doesn't know. He doesn't give a shit. He doesn't get all. But set was good? Set was really good. Haywire, of course. Yeah.

Haywire are going to be. I think are going to be a look back upon at this time with like appropriate rose colored glasses. Like just the craziest, like. wow, they really did that, huh? They are the exception and the rule. Yeah, yeah, very well said. They just had a crazy set. And I think Gridiron had to play right after him.

I was walking up the ramp. After they finished, I saw Carl and he was like, fuck, man. Just funny, but they had a good set too. Everybody was cool. It went, Us, Biohazard Foundation. That was kind of crazy, you know? The whole, the Furness lineup and time slots.

Yeah. appeared to have been generated by AI. Yeah, it was a little wacky. Converge and Terra played like the main stage, not the shed stage. Knocked loose, headlined it. They had to start like 45 minutes late because a barricade broke or something, so they'd wait for them to fix it. Just a whole, you know, whole thing.

But all in all, it was in and out. How was biohazard? Biohazard was sick. They played. It was literally like, I missed what they opened with, but then it was Shades of Gray, wrong side of the track into, urban discipline yeah and it was awesome

something I need to see it something happened with your man though he had to replace his pedal had to get swapped out mid-song like rough never fun never fun no no but they had they had crew you know what was sick their backline all the back of the cabs it was like sworn enemy biohazard bulldoze

just cool like oh that's awesome yeah this has been in the biohazer one in particular yeah yeah they're backline the biohazard backline they brought all their own shit and it had stencils and shit on the back. And that was, that was pretty sick. Bobby watched Haywire, which was cool. Yeah. It was just cool. But again,

it was a blur in and out. So we flew back to Colorado, Fort Collins. Then we, we... Overall, good day. Definitely, definitely a good day. Crazy demographic at Furnace Fest, you know? The like Christian guy who hasn't heard music since 2006. Yeah. A lot of young people keeping it

popping and fresh, you know? A lot of young people. Like the Haywire videos I see are like young people exploding. Absolutely. And it's awesome, you know. Yeah. It's really cool. Foundation set, look crazy, look lit.

Foundation set was awesome. Foundation set was like FYA-esque. And they had to close, so that's scary. Yes. You were not there for like Jimmy Eat World, right? Correct. I was only there. I'm so curious how that was.

I know. If you're watching this and you're at Furners Fest, please tell me how Jimmy Eat World. Yeah. A band I love. Yeah, same. I thoroughly celebrate the disgod. Tell me how it was, please.

Tell us below. Yeah, I think in front of the show, Kelsey, red hair, she saw him. She was there. I think she said it was dope. Okay. Saw, went into the monster trailer, no particular reason. Nice. Yeah.

Yum. But yeah, it was in and out, and then we were back on the tour. We were in Colorado. had two weeks left, played a bunch of wacky-ass places, played Bloomington, Illinois, played Davenport, Iowa. Hey.

Hey. You know, it was a B market, B and C market, for sure. Sure. That's good. One great. Those are,

they're hungry. One great thing. Devheaven loves to gamble. There's a lot of Celo happening, a lot of dice. And that was good. That was a lot of fun. They won the last,

the big role last night, as everyone was leaving, they won. Yeah. Taking money. taking money from the kids? You kidding me. It's fucked up, man. Fucked up.

But yeah, overall... I should have rigged it. I know. Yeah, we used their dice too. It was fucking bullshit. They're loaded. One more thing before we move on, Colin, there is a new slot machine that I'm just...

I'm over the moon. Werewolves? Weirwolf, dude. Wow. The werewolf machine. October has really arrived. Dude, at one point, James of course... James is like you.

Where he, like, watches stuff. He knows stuff. Chris and I are just kind of there and we pooled our money. Something happens to James. He goes, oh, fuck, yeah, we're a wolf spin. And like, gives us his fist upon it. We're like, what are you talking about, dude? But the bonuses rocked.

The game rocks. And it's one of those ones where he's holding coins. And then each time a coin shows up, it goes, and you're way. Proceed progression. Yeah, it's all bullshit. It's all bullshit. I know, but we got them to pop a couple times, you know. So it's great.

It's got to be part of the Dracula Frankenstein. Yeah, but you know, it's weird. It's not Wolfman. It's a werewolf. Yeah, maybe. You would think you'd be Wolfman, right? Who is my favorite monster? What's your favorite classic monster?

Dracula. Drac? Oh, yeah. Big D. D. Yeah. Because, like, Frankenstein, if I see Frankenstein somewhere, I'm running for the hills. Wolfman, I'm dead. Yeah, he's got you.

Dracula, I don't think that would be a big deal. I think if tomorrow the news was like breaking news out of Transylvania's today, like, Dracula is real. I think we'd be like, Wow. That's awesome. True. Yeah. Like we could use his blood to probably for some medical person.

For something cool. Yeah. Yeah. Invisible man? No. No. Mummy. Hell no.

Creature from the Black Lagoon? Don't even know what he is. Fuck no, dude. It's a creature. Yeah. He's just a creature. There's only one of him. What are we going to do with that?

Kill. Yeah. I think you're right. I'm a wolfman guy myself, but. I mean, listen. Yeah. Hey, Wolf Moon. Yeah.

I'm with you. I'm howling. Have you seen Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein? Yeah, of course. That is one of my favorite, like old movies. My dad used to always watch it. It's awesome. It could happen.

You never know. That's us. But if it was Colin and Bowmeet, Dracula, I think it would go well. Anyway. Anyway. You've gone for so long. You're finally back. We had our big two-part Davy Havoc thing.

Dude. Every other show got compliments about the episode. I mean, it was, people are watching. Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, we knew that day. It was like, oh, damn, this is really good. The unfortunate part of things being successful and seen by many is that the idiots find it? Yeah.

Yeah. Like, everything's great aside from the idiot. Yeah. Yeah. I read an annoying comment that, we are essentially a metal show because we don't talk about hardcore that much and it's just like, what are you talking about?

One of the most common themes in this show is my love for like youth crew. Yeah, that's just not true. It's just people who do who heard us talk about Marauder a couple times. We've probably had like five metal guests total. Total. Absolutely. You know, everybody else is from, come on, shout up.

The vegan straight, the comments on the vegan straight edge real. It's many of the dumbest people in the world together in one place. They can't, like, like, he's addressing us in the vegan part, you know? Yes, yes. And we made the clip. Like, we recognized, yeah, he's saying some valid stuff. This is, this is good. It was funny.

We made that. It's funny. At our expense. Yes. We wanted that. And they're like, this guy is so pretent. He's not pretension. He actually wasn't at all.

Not at all. He apologized for it. Yeah. He later on was like, sorry about the vegan. I hope you guys don't mind. We were like, you kidding? That was gold. Oh my God. Please. Get us. Yeah. Yeah. It's just insane that like people can't. There were people in the in the comments calling, they were like, actually, recreational drugs are counterculture. They're counterculture if you're not part of culture, you know? Yes. If you have no community or culture, yeah, recreational drugs are counterculture. But that's the norm. Right. Right.

The president is doing recreational drugs right now. Somewhere. I don't know. We don't need to get too deep into it, but I do think it's people don't like hearing their own decisions getting called out in a negative way. Oh, 100%. So it's an insecurity thing. And it's like, hey, we're on this thing.

It's you and me. We're fine. You can relax. You can continue eating whatever you want. It's fine. No one's telling you anything. But like us as meat eaters, hear what do you say and go, yeah. Yeah, good point.

How about that? You're probably going to outlive me. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I got it. We did the brackets last week. That was wild.

That was a wild one. That was the tumultuous one. A lot of people... What's funny is in the episode, it's the least tumultuous we've ever done. I know. I know it. Let's get some of the omissions out of the way. Indecision.

Indecision was a big one. His hero is gone. Yeah. Los Crudos. Yeah. Yeah. All the Spaz, Charles Bronson, Crudos, like all that's up. Even Limpress.

for, you know, for visibility sake. Of course. Yeah. But top 32 all time, you know? And like, look, guys. You're telling me shy halutes, top 32 bands from 1990 to 2000. And just like... You're telling me, you're asking me, where is Zayo?

They're at church. They're not in my bracket. You know? Got to move on. And converge. I wish people would just listen to the episode and set it, you know? And you can't, and you look at the amount, 600,000 people saw the bracket. Right.

Whereas about 40,000 people watched it. You know, it's not going to, it's never going to balance out, and that's fine. It's, we're not, if we were going by dates, it would be boring and strict and sterile. We're going by when some, when a band establishes themselves as a thing. And also, we're looking at this retroactively, you know, It's not because like, yeah, Adamantium drew more people than fucking kickback in America at the time. But time has made one timeless and not the other. And that's just how that works.

It takes time to establish what is great to all rather than just, oh, this band was more popular at this time. Very well said. It's just a different perspective. It's an objective. It is subjective. It's an objective, subjective perspective. Yeah. And we're also, we're trying to, like, we had 10-yard fight on there.

We're trying to cover a lot of bases. Yeah. And people being like, why is Bastro on here? They don't fit. Because we want a Japanese ban on there to represent a whole side of the world. Crazy. Loco. It's fun.

We get to have fun. We get to have fun. At the end of the day. All right. I guess we have a couple of things that people want us to talk about. So we'll see what, uh, see what they've left us. Metalcore bracket incoming at some point. Is this on the Patreon?

This is Patreon, so which you can all subscribe to, and then you get to ask us whatever you want, whenever you want to. And you get stuff early. Hello. Oh, the Streets of Hate Comp just came out. Oh, dude. Representing hardcore? Yes.

Crazy comp. We got headbuss on there, Sin Against Sins on there. Discontent, I believe the band is called, which the discontent song is the worst recording I have ever heard, which makes it awesome. Like the recording is so bad that it made me feel like the Taste of the Steel demo once made me feel as a teenager. Cool. And it's crazy. And it makes it awesome.

I really like it. There's two new Dead Body songs on there. Hell yeah. One is an original song. One is a death threat cover. That was fun. Hell yeah. Somebody asked if we will play them live soon at some point.

Yes, of course. Also, listen to the C4 record. It rocks. Oh. The song, it's something perdition. That's that and the first song. Those are my songs. I've listened to the C4 record probably five times a day since it came out.

It's your five a day. It's my five a day. It's unbelievable. It's really good. Hardcore and its greatest, purest form. Really good. Really, can't believe the thing. Yeah.

I've been listening to it a lot. Hope you all like it. Also, the new Segwa Sugarbog is out. Rocks. Crazy, man. Sounds great. We're recording with Kurt, so it sounds just perfect. But you know what?

And I mean this non-durgemoner. In any way, it doesn't sound like a Kirpilu recording. It sounds very different, but it fits really, really, really well. Fits really well. We listened to it today. I thought it sounded great. Yeah. They still got it, baby.

They got it. The bog. Giles Corey, famous from Salem, asked, do you ever reflect upon your time in this subculture? And imagine it without those critical early moments that made you become a lifer. I reflect What makes me think about this Is when

People get into hardcore In their late 20s and 30s You know Okay It's when it's like How did you What did you have? Yeah what

And obviously I've said this before Was it college? I guess Just like I can't imagine Without this Without hardcore music And what has done for me And all the bands I've played

and all that stuff. I don't know what, like, especially without straight edge, dead man. I'm addicted to everything I do. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. You know? Going to the gym, you know, eating. Everything I do is, I develop an addictive, habitual way of doing it.

Sure. Yeah. So if I had, if I had a reason to try drugs as a teenager, and again, And that's another one of those things that people talk about in the Davey thing is like, you don't need straight edge as a teenager.

You absolutely do. That is one of my least favorite. It's akin to the like, yeah, you're not even old enough to drink. It's like, dude. Yeah. And you will never have more pressure to do it at that time. So I'm so glad. So true.

I'm beyond glad. I think I'm alive. And me. in a sense because of this subculture and community. Definitely both of those things. I also like, and I'm sure you can relate to this, like have traveled the world and survive with all of my best friends. Like you included.

Like that's all one thing. So yeah. And what other circumstance? Exactly. Would that be? It doesn't. My coworkers are my best friends, you know? Yeah.

It's awesome. So yeah, I think about that for sure. Try not to take it for granted. Try not to think about it too much. I don't think we can take it for granted, you know? This is our job. Yeah, true. We get to talk about converge,

or we get to talk about Cold is Life versus AFI. Awesome. When are you guys going to have Ethel Cain on Hardlore? I've asked. Yeah. I'm honestly waiting on a response, but I have asked. Anytime she wants. The ball's in her courts.

We will be there. And I'm dying for it. it. Hopefully she dunks it. Jeremy Baum episode went so soon. What is the definitive Blood for Blood album? I think it's spit my last breath. Right.

I think it is what it achieves even with how simplistic it is. There's songs with two notes in them. And I'll kill myself on the spot. Right. You know? Yeah.

From agreeing. Like, yes, Rob, let's do it. Because you know what's crazy? there's a thing called two-cord songs, right? Horse with no name. Horse with no name is a two-court song, America, which is one of my new fixations, by the way, the band. That's considered among like songwriters and harmony writers,

like the penultimate achievement to be able to do that because you're building melody. That's all you're doing. So for blood, for blood, to be able to do that. Waiting for the moment, two-cord song aside from the nightmare on El Street intro. You know, after that, it's two-court. That's awesome. It's incredible.

That's wrong. And it's 0-1. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's fucking cool. Even better. That's very cool. So I would say spit my last breath.

Did you have a favorite snack growing up? Snack? Yeah. What were you coming home from school and you were like, I can't wait to get into this. Yeah, I had one. Well, the cheese at first and foremost is like, to this day. To this day. Like if I'm going to the store, I'm not leaving with that box of cheese.

Do you have a particular? Do you have a particular one? Hot and spicy. Hot and spicy. I remember the day it came out. Changed everything. But my meal snack, I would starve all day on purpose so that I could get home and eat two Red Baron deep dish pizzas. Oh, baby.

With the cube pepperoni's, the little cube. Yeah. Microwave or oven? I ain't using the oven. I don't have time. I'm starving. I got six minutes flat. I ate one.

I would eat one. while the other one was cooking. And it was the one where you flip the tray upside down and the little silver things there. I know exactly the broiler tray. Wow. That's great. Every day. Mine, we were a little Debbie household.

Oh, yeah. I mean, dude. I don't know if we've ever talked about that. That's what I'm saying. You ever freeze a zebra cake? Fuck yeah. I've frozen the zebra cake, dude. They're outstanding.

Dude, zebra cakes are kind of... It's the best one. I agree. They're Taylor's favorite at the moment. So she gets them all. lot and I'll get a little nibble in there. You have to freeze them. If you're listening to this, put them in the freezer.

Please. So my mom always liked the fudge rounds, little debbies. Do you know what those are? Yeah. With the, like, chocolate drizzle on the top. Of course. So those were always around. Cosmic brownies, always around.

I'm not a cosmic brownie guy. Neither am I, but they were always around. Yeah. Nutty buddies or the peanut butter wafer guys were always around. And zebra cakes. Zebra cakes and ho-hoes were my. And Swiss Cakes. rolls. The rolls. Yes.

Was that a ho-ho? The zebra cake to me, yeah, it's the same thing. The zebra cake to me is the pinnacle of plastic wrapped grocery store sweet free. It's also kind of, okay, this is this is Fat Kid Talk, but if you buy like the double, the pair of like Twinkies from a gas station, they don't taste

right. Yeah. They got to be single wrapped in the box. That's when they taste right. The zebra cake, even the jumbo one, tastes great. It tastes great. It doesn't change. And that's important to me. Also, oatmeal cream pies, dude. Yeah, I was never a big oatmeal guy. But my dad, dad loved them.

Honey, I shrunk the kids. They eat it. And I was like, Dude, it looks so good. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. The fake marshmallow? Yes.

Anti, dude. What do we think is the greatest fake band in the history of film or TV? Great question. It would have to be the lone rangers, right? Dude. Johnny gone down on a Friday night Johnny can't read

Johnny can't read Johnny can't ride Isn't that a cover isn't it? Yeah it's something It's not Reagan Youth is it It's Reagan Youth yeah Pretty cool The whole the whole time they're covering Reagan Youth

Reagan Youth I think Airheads Doesn't get enough flowers I totally agree That movie is so fucking cool Lemmy's in it Chris Farley's in it Yeah.

Obituary is in it, in a sticker. I think infest, I think there's an infest sticker. Yeah, yeah. There's all kind of. David Arquette. Brendan Frazier, Steve Bishemi, Adam Sandler. Yeah. Pip farting on a snare drum?

Snares farting on a snare drum. It won't do it. Great movie. Love that movie. People got to understand, like Naked Gun just came out, right? I think it did okay in theaters. If you go see these movies in theaters, they'll make more of them. Totally.

That's how it works. How is, uh, How is one battle after another doing box office guys? I think it's recouped. So that's good, right? Yeah, I mean, dude, every IMAX showing is sold out here, every single one. Awesome. I mean, I think it's just like, if it's in more screens, it'll sell out.

But now it's, Tron Ares is replaced it in IMAX. They're showing it at the music box here in Chicago on 70mm. I'd like to take Taylor. You should do that. Yeah. Big Sean Penn. Big. Big.

How often do you put on a playlist you made as opposed to listening to a full album? Oh. I think playlists, the purpose of playlists to me are, let me show you something. Yes. Let me put you on. After that, get the album. I think if that, like, when you talk to a normal person and they're like, oh, I can't wait to put this on my playlist. Yeah.

Like you have a list of the 100 songs you've heard. I can't fathom that. I fully agree. I'm a record guy. I'm an album guy. But I do agree that when I don't know what to listen to, I'll go to my For You, Spotify, like, here's what's new or whatever the fuck they call it. And I end up finding something.

It's for discovery. Playlists are for discovery only, not for recreation. And that's also not necessarily a generated thing. That's like, I've made Bjork playlist or Alcline Trail playlist for people. I want you to You're putting them on Okay now you like the song The album's good too

Yes That's why I'm putting you on Precisely yes They're for discover But god there's so much guys So much The idea of like Only putting out three songs

Because that's what playlists Are gonna ever have Fuck you Fuck you Fuck that Gucci Main Put out a record recently

That had 80 songs That's what's up think about that That's what's up I wish I could do that 80 I wish I had 80 in me I wish I had 80 guys I could call and go

Hey send me a beat Yeah I got I got it So I can write Do some shit I gotta talk about something Beets kill me dude Producers just like

They just say Hey send me some beats Okay send me some finished Entire songs that I can just have What a world Luke said Please talk about one battle after another and Night Patrol.

Oh, yeah. Talk about, please. That was your big thing while I was gone as well. Yeah, you were gone. I went to, I went to the actual premiere and the LA premiere

of Night Patrol, which is a movie I'm in coming up. I've seen it twice now. Gets better every time. Mm-hmm. They didn't cut any of my stuff. I've read the script. You have read the script?

Borneoia. Borneo? Yeah, et cetera. Yeah. I'm in that thing. It's crazy. It's really weird. Yeah.

Every time you see me, you're like, what's he doing there? How many minutes of screen time do you think you got? Dude, like, honestly, like four or five probably? It's pretty sick. Pretty sick, dude. I'm in there. I'm scattered throughout the thing. You and the homie punk fill.

Me and the homie punk fill. Just straight up night patrolling together. It's awesome. It's crazy. There's going to, look, once some people get a hold of this movie, yeah, yeah. Once my enemies get a hold of this movie. Oh, dude, I'm going.

hours to find this theater. Wherever you are. I'm going. You're going to have some serious ammo. Let me tell you. There's one scene in particular that once my enemies get a hold of, I'm ruined. Do you have lines? Yeah.

I ad-libbed a few, and they made it. No shit. Congrats. That's cool. Pretty cool. Really, really bizarre. So I saw an early cut of the movie like last year. Were you like, hello, welcome?

No, but the way the movie was structured. No. I was like the first thing you saw. And I was like, I was like, this can't be, this can't happen. Like, no, no, get it, get it, get me off. No. And they, they changed it in a way that's really cool now where it's separated by chapters. Cool.

Cool. And like, so I'm, I don't want to give anything away. Yeah. But I'm all over it in a way that when every time I pop up, you're like, What's he doing? Who is this? I'm wearing my own pants. Yeah.

Yeah, I saw it's really funny to see there. There's like one punk posted a picture where he's like kind of kneeling. And you're holding like a bottle of something. Oh yeah. Dude, there was a scene where I had to pretend. Nobody told me to do this. I just did this on my own. Which was so stupid.

Where I like, we like me and this other guy, Mike had like created space work to do in the back. Yeah. So I chug this whole bottle of clear alcohol. would that be vodka? Sure. I chugged this whole bottle of water. Yeah. And then he's like, pissed, I didn't give him many.

And then we did like 13 takes of that in a row. And I like projectile vomited water all for this bit that like you would never know is happening. As I'm like fully focaled out of frame in the background. It's just like an arm moving. You would never know that I had to do that. And I'm like spewing my guts out from the side over there. But you made it. I made it.

I'm in there. I'm in there. You can't take it away. I love it. And I say some shit. Congratulations. That's awesome. That's awesome.

Thanks, man. And then you did Arizona Fest. Within these walls. Within these walls. How was that? That was the next day. This is all, it was Night Patrol within these walls and then my birthday. So it was a really, really fun little, crazy little weekend, full stuff.

Within these walls, it was crazy to see what that fest and Arizona hardcore. have become. Because, like, I played that fest 10 years ago, probably more, 12 years ago. And that room was, like, 30, 40% full. Sure. Yeah.

And this year was both stages running, lit as fuck the whole time. At the Nile, right? At the Nile. Which is... Beloved Nile. Like, that's probably one of the first out-of-town venues I ever played.

That makes total sense. In the bathroom, there is the run sheet next to the sink, Bain T-U-I, Cruel-Han, Alpha-O-Mega, run with the hunted. That was the first tour I ever did in my whole life.

Gotcha. So that is still there. Cemented it. Like somebody intentionally left that there because it's like a cool tour that hit that venue. That was the first thing I ever did.

And now my job is talking about touring. That is, that venue is synonymous with A-ZHC to me. Straight up. For sure. And like they know, and they're proud of it. And they should be.

And the fest was, the fest was awesome. set was awesome. Fantastic. Saw, saw people at the show that I've seen at Arizona shows forever. The Beautiful Ones played, Here they come.

The Beautiful One, the Beautiful One, went eight at Bad Jimmy's after, which is Jimmy from the Beautiful One's restaurant. Oh, very nice. Unbelievable. Yeah, fantastic. If you're anywhere near Mesa, Arizona, at Scottsdale, Phoenix,

you got to go to Bad Jimy's. I I, perfect smash burger. I don't think I had any good food on that entire tour. Aside for like any like, you know, good food aside from in and out.

Um. No good cups. Dude, no good cups. What's how? What happened? C and D markets, brother.

I mean, we're, we gotta ask Mac, dude. Max got this. I know. I know he's got the map. He has a map of the country with like the best coffee.

I know. I would be. interested in, like, what, you know, Chattanooga, Tennessee, where we were. You know there's some heat in Chattanooga. Maybe, maybe. Dude, one of the best cups I've ever had, and I apologize for ungatekeeping this, for Troy, New York. I'm so sorry, is Jacob Alejandro in Troy.

Really? I'm really sorry. I mean, not that this is going to, people aren't traveling to Troy because of us to drink this cup, but Jacob Alejandro in Troy, New York, the creme brulee latte. I damn knee I blasted through my pants when I drank this thing

Crembrillade all over myself Oh Anyway Yeah Oh this is a great question Okay They said since it's October Letterbox style

Top four horror movies Great question Love it topical Poignant I would say the thing Number one All time Okay

The Exorcist Number 2 all time Strong, strong, strong The Exorcist 3 Number 3 all time Underrated Has like a 50% On Rotten Tomatoes or something

I think it's unbelievable Written and directed By William Peter Blatty Who wrote The Exorcist Oh, okay, cool He bumped heads With William Friedkin On Exorcist 1 so much

That he was like I'm just gonna do this one myself I can direct it And he did it himself And some people thought He did a terrible job I think it's awesome George C. Scott is psychotic in it.

You have Brad Durf, who voices Chucky. Who is the patient X. He's switching places with Damien Karras from the first one. Unbelievable. I think it's aged so well. Scary as hell. Number four would be, what do I like to watch a lot? Maybe Scream 2?

I love Scream 2. The soundproof audio booth killing? Dude. So. Good. And then that and then the cop car scene. Cop cars? Dude, it's so scary. It's very, very scary. And I think it has the best reveal, you know, the way that, like, that was, that came out like a year later. Yeah, right. And it's like, they were like, oh, fuck, we better cook up something crazy.

This has got to be somebody's mom. Dude, yeah. And it's like, and it's the mom they alluded to in the first one the whole time. Awesome. Awesome. Genius. Mine would be, first and foremost, I watch it every year. I think it's a literal masterpiece, fucking Halloween. The OG. Done.

Done. Yeah, dude. And he made it. He did that. It's fucking awesome. I mean, the theme is in 9-8. Yeah, right. And you know he wasn't thinking that.

He just... No, he was. You think he was going out. No, I've read about it where he was like my... It was like his dad or something. Somebody told him about 9-8. And that it was... Or is it six?

Six. I think it would be 6-8. Yeah, 6-8. 6-8. He had a conversation with somebody where they were like, you should try. Like 6-8 is dope. You could think, 1-2-1-2-1-2-3, 1-2-1-2-1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3. Right, right.

6-8. Yeah. That's so cool. That's so cool. It's awesome. You know what's in 9-8 that I would confuse me is the deliver-us to evil breakdown. Naturally. 9-8.

Naturally. Sorry, I forgot that I did that. But 6-8. So sick. Very cool. Halloween, like far and away, just the coolest, my favorite. Then scream one. Love the first screen. It's so good, dude. I don't think... Turn around, Jamie. Don't do it, Jamie. No, no, Jamie. And he's Jamie. Yeah. Genius. It's the perfect amount of camp. It's also brutal. Also, the fucking swerve with Drew Barrymore. It's like, we don't appreciate that enough. So cool. It's Game of Thrones esk. I mean, Psycho did that. Yeah. You know?

way back in the day. Yeah, but it was Drew Barremor as a fucking producer on the movie. Yeah, she was at She's top build. She's on all the marketing.

All the things. Toast. So cool. So cool. And the mom going, Casey, baby, is like still fucks me up. It's so good.

I'm going to throw in the witch, if that's going to count. I think if the thing counts, I think the bitch counts, you know? It's horror. If you show that in 1925.

Oh, yeah. I'm getting burned. There would be mass hysteria. Yeah. You're fucked. I talk about the movie all the time. I know, but I just, I really love that movie. I think it's awesome.

And then, dude, I'm going to go with, just because we talked about it, Avin and Costello and Mead Frankenstein. Love it. It's a perfect Halloween movie. Even the title card alone is like all the monsters chasing Abbaugh's as hell. It's perfect.

And it's funny as fuck. I love it. I'm sure there's going to be some things to come to my. Oh, dude. Honorable mention. Yeah. And this is recent, and I've talked about it on here before, but Gondjam haunted asylum. Oh, this is Korean.

Found footage about some like YouTubers who go to an actual haunted asylum in South Korea. Make some content kind of thing. Make some content and they and then they pay for it. And then they pay for it. It's so good. Check it out. That's awesome. That's a good question.

I like stuff like that. Love that. Let's see. I saw something today that I would like to ask you about. I was asked a question, and I ranked it. I want you to ignore it. First five Metallica records. I would like you to put in order the guitar tones.

Oh. I just think that's a cool. Guitar tones. You can even do, I think if you do production, it's obvious. But guitar tones is more specific. Because that changes things drastically because the injustice guitar tone is unreal. It's crazy. not necessarily always in a good way.

I think it's maybe number three. That's what I was thinking. Okay. I would say ride is maybe number two. So far, we're locked. Yeah, because I think Bell Toll's intro, what are we without that? I mean, even Fight Fire with Fire,

that's... Degana, gigantic, come on, dude. Come on, man. I'm going nuts. Masters won. Perfect. It is a...

I also think that Master is, like, overall the best Sonic one. Oh. It's the one. It's one of the best metal albums. Yeah. Black album four. Okay.

Kill them all five. Yes. So I agreed with one in five and then where injustice was, but then I swapped riding... I think the black album guitar tone is crazy. It is.

But I love... You love the way ride the lighting. It's so raw. Yeah. It's fucking bullet bell. It's heavy punk. Yeah, yeah. You know?

It's a bunch of misfits guys. Yeah. Making metal. Making thrash. Yeah. Which was brand new. No pedals just gain up. There were tube screamers, but yes.

Maxon. Yeah. Ivina's a tube screamers. Yes, exactly. That's it. So cool. I mean, that was at the time when they're having John Brown, who does amp tweaker pedals now, mod their amps.

and he worked with Eddie Van Halen to mod his amp. Who is the godfather of high gay and am. You know what I mean? So were that... Students of the game. Yes, dude. Very good. Very good.

Love it. Which Massachusetts bands are you most excited to see play for the children in Boston? Rude Awakening and Revenge Sets will be insane. Yes, I've seen both many times. I love Rude Awakening. Very excited to see them again. Iraq. There's one.

One is unannounced that I can't wait to see. And I'll leave it at that. Oh. Thoughts on young kids younger than 10 at shows. Hey man. If you're a- Keep them safe somewhere not in the pit. Yes, it's not a dog, which should be nowhere near. Which, God damn, get your dog out of my show. Get out. Get out. But I went to shows at sub-10.

Okay. And I stood in a safe place and had a great time. I think most parents do a pretty good job, to be honest with you. Yes, I agree. I've not seen- Section, safe place. Done. Easy. If you're not doing that, fuck you.

Best and worst Halloween candy. Worst, for me, is anything fruity. So you're not a Skittal Starburst guy? No, no, I'm off, I'm all out. You don't like Starburst? No, I'm out, dude. I'm different. Fascinating.

Yeah, that's different. The best is rare these days. What do you got? And it's the Charleston Chew. I love Charleston Chew. It's the best one. I love. Charles. It's the best candy.

That's the thing. That's the thing. That's me. I don't like this one that everybody loves. I love what? What? Yeah, yeah. You know what I love? Woppers. Dude, Woppers rock. I love them malt. You and I both like malt. Malt. Malt is good. Maltman. Worst, I would say, on the full size, I don't like peanuts very much. Like payday baby Ruth, that, even Snickers. The bite size, I don't. I don't. I don't like peanuts. I don't like Peanuts. The bite size, I don't. do like it more. Snickers ice cream bar. That it rocks, it's not like real peanuts.

I don't know what it is, but they're so good. Some preservatives. So I would say like a baby Ruth or something like that's just not for me. But my God, dude, you give me a three musketeers or a kick hat, the little double kick cat.

Oh God, the little kick cat is so good. Because even the way it opens is perfect. That little hitter. Oh, stuff it in. Oh, my God. Stuck it down.

Love it. The best. What are those, Colin, And what are those, they're like taffies that are like orange and black in the wrapper? It's like a wax wrapper. It's like the most generic candy that exists. But they were always in our bags growing up. I couldn't tell you because they're going straight in the trash.

Straight in the trash, right? But they were like peanut butter taffy. Yeah. That's probably the worst. It's fucking disgusting. Absolutely vile. Dream non-musician guests you'd like to have on the show. I mean, Tony Hawk. Oh.

We got to get him. That's a perfect answer. We got to get them. That's a perfect. answer. We're going to get him. Well done. Okay. Mark my words. That's a perfect answer. Colin, any stories from Night Patrol you can share?

I'm going to share one. My very first scene, I'm driving a car. My very first scene, I did not put that car in park when I was supposed to. I have to drive a car, stop it. This is like minute one of being an actor for me.

As they give me the keys and say, okay, you're going to drive this, you're going to stop it here, you're going to get out, you're to say some shit into a speaker. Yep. And it was like, oh, okay. So not only am I remembering the very specific thing I have to say that is not something I would ever say.

Right. In any circumstance. I got to drive this police SUV, stop it here, and get out. And I'm so nervous that I don't stop it. So I get out and like, foot's off the brake and it's just still rolling. Oh. And I'm like inches away from absolute disaster. But you got it?

You stopped it? I got it. I got it. But it was just like. like, okay, this is real. Name a band. No one would expect you to like. We don't believe in guilty pleasures, like what you like, but there are things that

would be surprising. I enjoy, we don't talk about hip hop very much. We know very little about hip hop. I threw it on recently. Health, wealth, self by KRS 1 is a record that I liked when I was in high school. And I was like, I don't feel like listen to that. Fucking rocks. See, I feel the same about the Boogie Down production.

and stuff, the pre-KRS one. Uh-huh. Solo. I love it. Him and Scott Rock. Cool. Unbelievable. What's something?

I feel like even my pop music is people are aware, you know? I'll go out on a limb. I don't know if I mentioned this before. That band 100th, which was controversial at one point just for, I don't know, they made some statement or something. Not like, not just about like. I think they're a Christian band too. Yeah, something like that.

I'm out there. They put out a synth record called Ultram. are rare. Right. Rocks. You love that. It rocks. It rocks.

All right. I'm just going to put it out there. ICP, couple tracks. No shit. Couple tracks. Man. It is what it is, you know? I don't think...

A couple tracks. I don't think I can say exactly when, where, or what. I'll be seeing them soon. That's what's up. Put it that way. We should watch Big Money Hustlers on Patreon. That sounds delightful. It's so good, dude.

Yeah? It's so good. The misfits are in it. But Graves misfits. Yeah. Yeah. But still. But like WCW era.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. Okay. This is a good one. Mount Rushmore of Camo patterns. Duck, Tiger, Woodland.

Classic woodland, dude. Classic. Yeah. And, uh, real tree. Yeah. Easy. Easy. That makes sense.

Duck. Duck is goaded, dude. Thoughts on doing gear episodes about our favorite and least favorite pieces of gear and stories behind them. I mean, yeah, I would love that. The thing about that... How do you do that? I get a lot of gear questions in regards to the show.

And the thing is, guys, when we do hauntler, that is a niche thing. Yeah, and less people watch it, you know? So that's what I'm saying. So, like, gear is even smaller than that. Ghosts are way more mass appeal than gear. 100%. So it's just kind of one of those things where it's like,

I just don't know how interesting that would be to people. I think if people watched our weirder, smaller things, it would be easier. Yes. But less people watch our weird or smaller things. So it's a little tough. Supply and demand. Yeah.

But I, you know. We can supply it, but you have to demand it. Top five cups you've had this year so far. This is cups of coffee. Wow. Okay. civil. I love that civil fucking espresso tonic. I don't care

if it's not the cool one anymore. I love it. That's great. I love it. The next best one in my opinion was Yala. Yeah. Love the apricot some bitches. Tasty. Yeah. I don't know if I've had that many that really stood out to me this year. I've been, got to say. It's been tough. I would say my top five cups in general. This is not just years. Yeah, there you go.

Okay. My number five would be probably just the lynx coal brew. I think it's fantastic. If you can fucking get it. Number four would be the house roots butterscotch latte. Oh, nice. Number three would be the yala apricot tonic. Excellent.

Number two would be the Yala latte. Okay. Number one would be the highlight pineapple lime, espresso tonic. That's good. So good. It's good stuff. We do, I will tell you, I'll give you a field report. We're having an issue where lots of places are making espresso tonics with Topo Chico or San Pellegrino flavor drinks.

It ain't tonic. It's just not like, it's espresso mineral water. It's a different thing. Yeah, it's just a different thing. It's an espresso soda. What are songs that bands never play live that you want to see? I have seen Metallica three times in the last year. and they have not once played battery.

Obviously, they play that song. Yeah. I ain't seen it. Not for you. Not for Bo. Let's see. Bands I see that I that I would want to play stuff. Not just play it, but I,

if TUI does another record, I need death clock ticking on it. Ah, cool. And I would like to see him play it again. You know, I think I've seen Terra play it once or twice maybe, but I wish not this time was more consistently.

They played it at FYI this year. Sick. It was beautiful. Yeah, they did play it this year. You're right. That was like the first time in, I don't even know. And forever. And it was incredible.

That song rocks, dude. This is a really good question. They said top four, we'll do top four bands that are honorary hardcore bands because of their influence. Title fight? The title fight's an actual hardcore band. Their example, they had three great examples. Oh, please.

Sepulterra. Yep. Obituary. Yep. Celtic Frost. Really solid. Those are kind of the perfect example. Yeah.

Shit. Okay. This is tough. This is a good topic. I mean, they just took three out of four that I've been influenced by. What's a metal band? Oh, bull thrower. Bullthrower.

That's a harper band. By sheer influence on itself. I would almost say Godflesh. kind of. Yeah. Dude, he's down. Yeah. He's down.

You know? Sonically, no, but that's not what we're talking about. Yeah. Right? It's a really good question. I mean, Nirvana. You think so? Yeah, I think they've influenced a lot of...

Based on the influence. Punk music after. Okay. They killed the glam metal. You know, that counts. Thank God. Yeah. Allison Chains.

Allison Chains is a straight-up metal band. Dude. hard fucking band I can't believe that band I know that's a band that when I drive I listen to one of their things at some point

at some point in the drive something's going on great question might be a good I don't know it's tough it is tough it's fun we can do this more in depth later yeah I like it

thoughts on the growing amount of films and series that are that are designed for Instagram aesthetic e.g. Saltburn and Euphoria. I think it's inevitable, you know? You have younger people who... You want to drive younger people to art. Yeah.

And what they know is Instagram. They know everything's in the middle of this tiny screen that I see. Yeah. So if they see something like saltburn and euphoria and they go, what influence these things? Oh, it's this? Cool. Yeah. That's great.

Let's be real. It's already happened with music. 100%. So it's not... It's just a medium for media, you know? We will never go back to life before TikTok and cell phones, you know? It's never going to happen. And, like, I went to horror nights last night.

Tell me. It's fine. It's great. I mean, it's never going to be the same. Because now there's 5 billion people there who are coming in their pants for Art the Clown. You know about this Art the Clown, Terrifier? Yeah. You know that he's got a whole, like, genre of guy.

Like, there's, like, Art the Clown guys who are into it. him. It's like a, there's like terrifier guys out there. It's like a community. It's a, it's a wildly successful. Who find him attractive or just like their fans? No, I mean, who and probably? He's probably handsome one of there. But there's like a rabbit and there was a five nights of Freddy's maze, a terrifier maze. Right. And, and a WWE maze. So it brought these three walks of life who have never converged in one place so horrifically. And how was the WWE maze? It was cool.

It was the Wyatts. Oh, so it was like the whole thing was like a tribute to Brahe. That was really, really cool to see it. I think they did a good job. But I can't, well,

like I've been going to Horonites since I moved to California. So 2004, you know, 20 years or so. You're how I heard about it for sure. Yeah. And like, people didn't film or take pictures

inside of mazes ever. And also you weren't cattled in, as to ankles, tiptoeing through. Oh, Is that how it is? Yeah, it's horrible. Oh, that's not good.

And the escalators used to play Dragula and Angel of Death. Right. And now it's, now that's that me espresso. Great song. Yeah. But I'm not spooked out.

They should do, but I guess it's what helps ticket sales so they're never going to do it. But you saw Hayprey is playing Star and Garter. Awesome. Right? Did you see the no phones thing? No, it's beautiful.

So there's no phones. They put a sticker over your camera so you can use your phone. If they see you trying to film or taking it off or do whatever, you're out. You're out. I think that's probably a venue thing as probably for insurance reasons. Yeah. Kind of sick.

I love that idea. It's kind of cool, man. I love it. Yeah. We got to start implementing that universally. I do wonder because. Obviously, pictures and videos are great. It is the ultimate promo.

emotional tool for whatever you're doing. Exactly. You know, we benefit from it every day. Exactly. But the user experience, the personal experience, the intimate experience of doing something to do it, not to show

people that you're doing it, is forgotten. That's why I don't like those Sinespia movie screenings, the outdoor ones in like movie theaters and like graveyards and shit. Yeah, yeah. I want to watch the movie.

Yeah, I want to, the way it was intended to be watched. I want to see this movie. movie in this big graveyard. I don't want to talk during it. I don't want to film the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I just think people don't do them to do them much now. They do them to go. Look what I'm doing. And that's sad. We'll never go back. Stickers. Give me the sticker. Wanderbags or yonder bags. Lock up the camera. Yeah. Here's a good one. You're going to love this question. Hit me. Favorite song in a horror movie.

like not a score or soundtrack? I think that was the implication is like song used in a horror movie. I'll give you mine right off the top because I already came to me. Red right hand, Nick Cave in Scream. Oh.

That like montage. Dude, also, Ghostface is just in the liquor store at one point. Is it him or is it somebody in a car? I mean, we don't know, but I think we're made to believe it's him. I think he's got a knife. Interesting.

Yeah, it's very odd. But that, I remember that being like, ooh, like, ooh. Pretty scary. Or needle drop. Yeah. There's the Pink Floyd one in weapons this year that was... Dude.

Unbelievable. That was really good. Oh, what's the typo song right at the beginning of I know what you did last summer. It's, yeah, summer breeze. It's awesome. It's awesome. They have such a great... I think the day tripper medley might be my favorite after Hey Pete.

Yeah, I agree. Hey Pete is goaded. There's a needle drop in Nightperfield. that I'm excited for people to hear. Is it? It's not me. Okay. But I put it there.

Okay. Cool. And I'm really psyched about it. We could probably explain how that, like. Yes. We were approached together to help. So it was supposed to be a judgment night, complete original soundtrack. Right.

Of hardcore bands and rappers together. Right. Complete original thing. And it was supposed to be like, that sounds awesome. It was like Freddie Gibbs. who is in the movie. And us, like, procuring the soundtrack. Yeah.

And that, none of that happened. None of that happened yet, but I did read this rich. Because they realized that budget would be, we were like, yeah, that would cost X amount. And it was like, oh, fuck, we're an indie movie. Yeah. That didn't happen. But there are still a couple cool things that made it without us. It wasn't like, it was originally going to be like soundtrack curated by hardlorn.

Right, right. Music supervisor type role. And that didn't pan out, but there is one, there's a couple things that I suggested, one that made it exactly where I recommended it. Nice. That is so cool that I'm excited for people to see. Sick.

Hell yeah. So that's the answer. As a drummer, guitarist, where do you start, riff first or drumbeat? Riff first, baby. Yeah, I think so. But then the drums can influence the riff later. It's really fun.

I mean, what is better than a riff that's been played with a halftime part? Getting switched to the full-time part or vice versa. That's the coolest thing that happens, you know? Oh, they changed it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. So it's awesome.

Haywire has been championing recovering addicts and alcoholics and hardcore. That's what's up. Is the stigma finally over example hate breeds kill an addict? era. I felt alienated by hardcore for a long time until getting long-term sobriety, so we're 12 years now. I think the killing addict era was never really a thing. Correct. It's very small subsected people. And I think even Jostit would be like, yeah, I was joking. Yeah, like I was young.

I'm also not straight. Yeah. But that's great. I mean, recovering addicts is like, we're proud of you. You know, I smash like on every sobriety post I see. I'll put it this way. I think if you went deep and you decided it wasn't for you and you're coming out of it, that's harder, cooler, and more impressive than just being straight edge and never. Than never doing it.

Never dabbling. That's way more impressive to me. So I fully back. If you're sober 12 years and you're fighting every day to be sober, you're like more straightage than me, you know? 100%. I fully agree with that. Yeah. Great job.

Stigma's way gone. Yeah. I never had a stigma about that. No, no. If you could have a 24-hour session with any musician dead or alive, who would it be? 24-hour session, like writing session.

I guess you can kind of do whatever you want with them, within reason. I think I could have written some cool stuff with Elvis. Damn. Really? You know?

Yeah. I think if I went in my ballad bag with Elvis, if I was like, Elvis, try this. If I gave kill for you to Elvis, yeah, I got you. It would be a hit. Interesting. I'm going.

Way bigger than me doing. I'm just going to go on the opposite side of that same coin. I'd love to get in a room with Glenn, write three songs. Fast, punk songs. That's it. That's all I want. Give me 240 seconds of your time, dude. That's all I need.

Right up. That's all I need. Yeah, that's fair. I think, I mean, it's obviously still in him, you know? Yeah, of course. He just needs somebody to unlock it. Now, how about this? Follow-up question.

What two artists dead or alive would you like to put together for a collaboration? Glenn and Elvis. Perfect. Imagine? Imagine it was us for? I bet you Glenn. I bet you Glenn's answer would be Elvis. A hundred percent.

Right? He worked with Roy Orbison. He worked with Johnny Cash and Rubin and everything. Yeah. I got a good one. A band or artist that you're not a fan of, but you would 100% go to their show. You got free ticket, good seat.

They're playing some venue that's easy for you, whatever. Everything works out. You know what I mean? But you're just like, I really don't give a shit about this guy, or lady, but I'll go. Sleep token? Friends of the show's Sleep Token. Friends of the show's Sleep Token.

What up? I want to see it. What up three? I want to see the homie three from Sleep Token, friend of the show. Yeah. I want to see it. Yeah. I'm with you.

I want to see it. Like, their success is undeniable. I've talked about going to horror nights last night. You would not believe the amount of Sleep Token shirts right. You see that logo everywhere. It's everywhere. I want to see it. I want to experience it.

I missed it. It was here while I was gone. Also, Lana had tickets to Benson Boone a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Almost went to that. There you go. I want to see that motherfucker flip, you know?

Mine is Harry Stiles. Oh, he's dope, dude. But I like, I don't really like his music. I like his cover of Peter Gabriel. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I would go. If that's at United Center, I'm there.

If I got a ticket, no problem. I would go to that all day. Yeah. Any, like, big concert like that? Yeah. If somebody's like, do you want to go to this? I probably want to go. If I'm available and it's easy enough, yeah, I'll probably go.

Yeah. Let's check the, yeah. Let's check the... For a quick. Steven, it's so easy this one, so don't... You're all right. You're doing great. You're doing great.

You're doing great. Oh, man. I forgot a major part of Furnispo that I got to talk about. Met... Oh. Luke Madden's dad and brother, Luke of Mad Vintage, who we sadly passed away last month. Met them.

Just talked to them for a while. It started crying within 30 seconds. It was really, really heavy. They're doing okay. They're in a good place. They have a really, you know, they got support. They got family.

They got everything. And they're figuring out. It's so cool that they're carrying on his work. They're finishing all of the, not obligations, but all the commitments he made for every fest and everything he said he was going to be at. They're going to be at. They got,

they bring shirts. They got his shirts. I have a bunch of shirts for you. I need them. Really cool. Really heavy. Peace, dude. What an incredible family he's got.

Yeah. And, uh... Like, do they know about hardcore or metal or anything? The dad is definitely like old rocker guy. I bet you like loves Slayer land the god kind of... But still hasn't, like, he don't know about the combust shirts he's selling. No. You know?

No. So they're just, they're on their own. Yeah. There's a couple friends. Figuring this out as they go. Yeah, there's a couple friends. The brother, dude, you know what the most brutal part is? is that they look just like him.

They look just fucking like him. So it was really heavy. They had the kindest things to say about you and I. And just the show and everything that we were able to do together and get that ball rolling for them. So I, you know, obviously. We love this fucking guy. Yeah.

It's all love and it's all good. And I'm really happy that they are doing what I believe he would have liked done. 100%. His mom said, would haunt him if they didn't. Right. Which, that's hilarious. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. So Luke, you can haunt me all night, all day. It's all good. You're with me all the time. If any of you have noticed, at the end, there's a little stinger at the end of every episode, every week, just for him. As he is, he presents every episode of Hardlore still to this day, as he will. Always.

Yes, sir. Kickback. You first US show and forever just happened. Looked awesome. looked insane. I love that Anthony is just in kickback. Just in kickback. Like there's no other person on the planet.

No. You know what I mean? Like that's right. That's the guy. And the show, I'm so glad that they just found like a venue and a setting and a show that fit the vibe. Yeah.

Just wackos, weirdos. Weirdos. People sitting in crazy places. It looks. Weird crows nest. Yes, Carl. Yeah, it's awesome. It's amazing.

Somebody asked, Are all the fests helping or hurting hard for? I think the bubble has burst. Definitely. The fest bubble has burst. Definitely. You know, you can't just do a fest anywhere and have it be a success.

It's just not going to happen. There was a post-COVID bubble. Yeah. And it's finally burst. And it's burst for sure. But I think you have Haywire doing their thing, showing you what it can be. Mm-hmm.

And I think we all need to look. He posted that thing the other day. about, hey, just do a fucking $10 show on a Tuesday. They did a $10 show in Richmond, which he told me about at Furness. I caught up with him a little bit. They did a $10 show is $15 with fees, which means every band, I don't know if they're making any money off the door. I don't know, I don't know how the breakdown went. I don't know how much the venue cost, whatever.

It was at Canal Club. But all those kids who spent $15 to get in, 800 of them who showed up, they're going to buy a T-shirt. Sure. Yeah, so it all evens out. But like you, the community can't grow if, if we're pricing young people out of the show. Straight up. That's a fact. So.

You know what? You want to know a really, got to keep it cheap. A really interesting point that he had. I don't think this is sharing too much at all. But if anybody says, oh, this band sold out this place, 500 cap room, whatever. The question is always, what's the cap? Never. How much were the tickets?

So, hey, we sold out Canal Club, 800 kids. nobody gives a shit that there was only 10 bucks That is true It's just an interesting way to look at it I love it I think it's great I think it's great That's brilliant It is

That is very true It's great I know he's so smart This is a really good one How much of each other's merch Do we own? So much I own There is a period of time between like 2013

and maybe 17, 18 Where you had it all I had every twitching tongue shirt. Literally in Europe, I remember being like, hey, I want one of everything. How much do I owe you? And, you know, I pay cost or whatever. It's just like, I have a suitcase full of size medium twitching tongue shirts.

And isn't that the worst? Yes. And like sizes of not only have we fluctuated through the years. It's what, how things fit fluctuated through the years, you know? And because like, also we were all printing Gilden, just close. Classic Gilden back then or all-style. Crap, shoot. All-Style was the worst.

Those are crazy. But you couldn't sell them. You couldn't sell anything that wasn't all-style. Yeah, it was the comfort color of its day. I have a lot of harm's-wise stuff. Yeah. A lot. Not nearly enough.

Yeah. I got a lot of God's hate stuff, too. But I think there was a period where you were just with me at every show that we played. In the past four years. like, all right, yeah, you can have that. Well, the funny thing is, is you would walk up to me and throw a shirt on me and be like, let me take a pick. And then you do this thing where you'd be like, okay, perfect. And you walk away as I'm like, oh, this is mine.

That's yours now. That is a great question. Good question. Mr. Folgers asked, do straight-edge people not like people who are not edge or look down on them? No. I've said this before. I think everybody goes through the phases. Yeah.

Of like, I mean, here's the thing. There is something to me where I'm like, yeah, I'm straight-edge. It's pretty sick. Yeah, fine. You should be too. Fine. Totally. Like, your life would be better if you were, and that's an objective truth.

In high school, I was definitely like, you know, a little shit. I was a little shit. I think we were right to feel that way in high school. Kind of probably more than as adults, you know? 100%. Yeah, sure, sure. You know, like, yeah, I'm the freak who, you know, People my age are having dinner parties and bringing red wine over, you know?

Right. That's so foreign to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That don't concern me. That's got nothing to do with me. But in high school, it felt good.

Sure. Yeah, no, I don't. We're freaks now. And that's fine. I don't judge anybody unless they're trying to tell somebody else how to live. Yeah. That's great. That's well, very well.

That's really it. Somebody asked, how are we feeling about the new table? Swift album. I heard she's getting sued. Have you heard about this? Oh, really? There's two songs. Uh-huh. And Taylor showed them for me. One song, she was like, tell me if you can tell me what this sounds like. It sounds just like Jackson Five. I guess the Jackson estate is suing her. That's what's up. Another one sounded like something else, which was a song I wasn't familiar with, but it sounded like saying, ain't so, by Weezer. Weezer. Wow. Good. Because she did the same thing to Olivia Arrigo. Well, here's the thing. For some bullshit that.

barely sounded like. And Ed Shearin already did that court case where he showed the four-court song. It's like, hey, anything is everything. It doesn't, nothing. This doesn't matter. And I agree with that personally. I also agree with that, but I also think there's sometimes you can hear something and go, well, yeah, come on. True. Especially when it's like, I'm making millions. I think the Olivia one was bullshit. I think the Olivia one with Paramore was also bullshit. And Paramore thought so, too. It was their publisher who insisted on. getting credits for stuff. And listen, I, first five, dude, I was like an early T. Swift head. Again, on that first tour that we did together in Europe, that's all you were listening to was

Taylor's left. Yeah, I love, loved it. Love story is a great song. Great song. Great song. Speak Now, perfect album. Red. Very good album. This one, did you girl, she's finally girl boss too close to this one for me. What's the courage skin you're rocking in Fortnite? Oh, the Ash. Evil Dead skin. Oh, nice. That's a cool one. That's a cool one. It looks awesome too. I've found, I do the Miles Morales one a lot because he's so skinny that it literally gives you a tactical advantage of having a smaller hip box. The hitbox is smaller? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, big skins are easier to kill. That's crazy. I know. So the Godzilla one's bad. You know, the thing is bad. I was the big cartoon cat

when I played a little bit. Yeah, you're getting bad shot. Because it's also black and white on like a full colored, beautiful landscape. This is a good one because we're living the answer. Never go on tour again or never make new music again. Yeah, I mean, never going on tour again easily. Yeah. Only because

never making new music again would kill me. It's currently killing me. You know? Yes, I do. I do know. It is legit eating me alive. Every waking moment of my life. So, that's the answer. Well, I love to tour.

You're tired, you can't sleep. I love the tour. But I really don't. Who is the most overrated horror icon? What's one that you're like... Jason. Oh! He's kind of super natch, isn't he?

Overrated. No shit. Friday of 13th Halloween rip off, dude. I mean, it blatantly is, right? Yeah. It's not like that. But like, I don't know.

It doesn't do anything for me. I'm a Chucky guy. I don't like Chucky. Dude, but, dude, first child's play? I mean, it's cool. The concept is cool. I just don't. The movie itself is great.

And he's hilarious. It's in Chicago, too. Dude, when he's going up the elevator and the lady says ugly doll. Yeah. And he goes, fuck you. Yeah. That's good shit.

Whereas Friday the 13th, one is like actively not good. Friday the 13th, too, is pretty good. I'll tell you who's underrated is Leatherface. I was just going to say that. You literally read my mind. Texas chainsaw is gnarly, dude. That is like a beautiful work of art that happens to be a horror man. And you know what?

The remix, not too bad. Pretty good. The newest one, not the best. But the Jessica Beal one. Oh, fantastic. Dude, there's the fucking shot of the camera. Yeah. Going through the...

I don't understand it. Yeah. It's awesome. It's unreal. The kill scenes are all brutal. Him slamming the door is... Like, it's awesome. It's awesome.

Oh, and who's the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket? Yeah, the fucking guy. He's... From saving Silverman. Awesome, dude. Yeah. He's so good at that. Listen to the story of how he got that role?

Yeah. Oh, well, which one? Full metal Jack. Yeah, yeah. He was just that good. He was like, he was, because Kubrick did not let him audition. Because he was a consult. Right.

But he made pre-tapes with the other people reading for the roles and was like, let me do it. Let me read it. Because nobody's going to read it better. That has become a comfort movie to me, which is hilarious. insane. I know. But I'm in saw is a big one for me. Sure, there you go. I'll go right to sleep. I watch it all the time. I love that movie. Oh, this is a good one, Colin. Personal, top five American Cities for Food. I think it's pretty quick. Chicago? Yeah. Way up there for me. Yeah, yeah. New York, New York. Come on. So nice. They named it twice. What are you going to do? San Diego.

Interesting. Not what had been on mine, but That's the best best best in the country, I think. Got you. I got you. Austin or San Antonio? Yeah, I would say Austin. Yeah. And. There's a big one.

That I'm missing? I think. L.A.? I would have said L.A. instead of San Diego, personally. Las Vegas. Yeah, I mean, it's just like a little bit of everything. But like, I love that. You know. You can have a great meal. You can have a great meal. You can fucking shit buffet style or an awesome steak place or whatever, you know. True.

You and I, it took forever to eat, but when we went to that Italian place, that was awesome. Was that, uh, that was Esther's Kitchen? Yeah, fantastic. Good shit. Somebody asked, the best comeback album. Oh, cool. There's one clear, obvious answer. Keepers of the Faith? I don't think that was a comeback. I mean, they never stopped. Yeah, you're right.

They never stopped. It was just like a revival. It was a movement. Yeah, such a thing. The best comeback record in history is into another omen. Oh, yeah. It's five tracks and each one is better than the last. Yeah.

When you had me listen to it, like when you really were like, you got to listen. It's, I just, you can't categorize this band. I don't know what it is. It's Prague. Rock, metal, rock, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comeback record. The first Allison Chain's comeback record was pretty fucking awesome.

It was. Is that black gives way to blue? Yeah, the, yeah. Yeah, that one's fucking awesome. Check my brain. That's, yeah, really good. Rocks. Really good.

And to be able to do that. with a different singer when Lane was such a staple. But that just showed you how Jerry, baby. Jerry was, Jerry's had 60% of the sauce. Yeah, big time.

But my God, Lane. Gated it. Somebody at, this is interesting. How to find similar interests other than music with a romantic interest who isn't straight edge? I don't know. I haven't been single in a long time.

Wait. How to find? And similar interests other than music With a romantic interest who isn't straight-edge I think I think you're overthinking. Yeah. My friend, I think that it's going to happen when it happens. The right person's out there for everybody.

Everybody eats food. Everybody eats food. Everybody likes to like go for a walk or look at art or see a movie. I don't actually understand that. Just like they don't like the same music. You're going to like the same some things. Of course. And also, I disagree with my wife about most things.

Artistically, you know? We like different things and that's fun. That was really fun. So you're going to organically bond over others. Yeah, absolutely. So don't worry about it. Don't worry about that. You're overthinking it, buddy.

Yeah. She's out there. The biggest, you know what the best hobby to have? They're out there. They're out there. The best hobby to have is, do you enjoy spending time together? Great. You're set.

Quality time is the greatest interest you can have. Favorite horror movies this year or season. Weapons, obviously fantastic. I saw an early screening of Shelby Oaks, which was written and directed by Chris Duckman, who is a movie reviewer. Oh, cool. Now that I can respect.

Yes. Get your ass out there and make a movie. He stopped giving people negative reviews. Yeah. And made a movie. All right. Produced by Mike Flanagan. I like that.

I don't want to give too much away. But I think it comes out in a few months. Really cool. There's aspects to it that are very indie, you know? Okay. Where you're watching it and you're like, this is a first time filmmaker. Sure.

But a student of the game type of shit. Yeah. By the end, you're really like, damn this guy. There's a thing that happens 10 minutes in that literally made my entire theater go. Like the sitting up and chair. Cool. Yeah.

Yeah. It's really cool. So Shelby Oaks is great. I really enjoy it. I know it's... It's not the question, but there was a shot in one battle after another. I won't spoil anything where a door is closed and the camera moves on the door. Dude, I out loud went, oh, wow. I kept seeing that phrase frame of that moment and being like,

is this the only fucking picture, screenshot of this movie? My God. And then that happened and it was like, oh, my dude. Yeah. Dude, that's the other. Leo's character asked for directions at one point, and then he just goes, shh, shh, shh.

That's he saying goodbye, dude, I lost my fucking mind. Oh, my God. Sean Penn. Yeah, he's amazing. He stole the show. He's Vince McMahon in it. And my God.

He looked great. He was scary. Yeah, just a pit bull. The hair. Dude, the hair thing. Disgusting. Yeah, so foul. It was awesome.

non-North American or European favorite bands, Sepulterra and bull thrower were not included. Non-North American and European? So, non-North American, but, oh, yeah, I guess, yes, yes, yes. So not from North America or Europe, bowl thrower, because of the UK, and sepul-tura not included. You tell me I get Japan? It's on easy mode.

I think my number one Okay, this is a spoiler for an episode, not number one. This is a spoiler for an upcoming episode we have. I think once the judgment disgog hits streaming, it's game over for a lot of motherfuckers. Just there's all these, every, I think every release is two songs. And it's like five different two songs. That's awesome.

Five or six different two song releases. That's awesome. So it's like you can easily digest and tell the difference between each one. So starkly. The songs are fast, hard, melodic. It's the best of all worlds. It's like the perfect hardcore band. Lyrics are great in a language that is not their own.

Some of the time. So that's probably one of my top draft picks for international band. Pretty good. ACDC But in all serious I've been listening to Whispers quite a bit I'm enjoying I'm just enjoying

I'm enjoying it The sweetest lads They deserve everything And add more Yeah if you get Asia It's a cheat code So maybe I'll go non-Asia I don't well I can't have Europe

Yeah I don't know I don't know like a Chinese band It'd be interesting I wish I did Yeah you know That'd be interesting. Or South Korean. I would love to just go to it.

Like, we should just go to all of Asia. I'm going to see what they're doing. I'm going to be in Japan in three weeks. Crazy. Is that what next time you're leaving? Yeah, but I go straight from that to a certain cruise. Yeah, you can't wait for the cruise, dude. We're going to have so much fun.

Of course. Of course. It's just, you understand, leaving Japan. 100% to go on. I don't ever want to do that. Yeah. And then you're going to be at sea. Yeah, I'm going to be sick.

Tokyo to Miami. Yeah. I'm going to Japan early, so I'll have my Japan time. But I think my, like, dream thing for us to do is to just see every Asian hardcore scene. That'd be awesome. Every single one. Because they all got them. Singapore's got it.

All the poor's got it. Bangkok's got it. Jakarta's got it. We talked about it in the Whispers episode. Yeah. Like, they're playing in Vietnam. They're playing in China. I would love it.

Gotta go, dude. I want it. Very fun. Do you guys do a 31 for 31 in October, like a horror movie every day? I have been. You have been. Yeah. I have been watching.

Let me break down what I've watched so far. Yeah. There you go. Catch them up because it is the day of recording, it's the 13th. So we're a little into the month. I've watched quite a bit. Let's see. So far, this October, I've watched Alien.

No, we already talked about that. So I started off the month with the Conjuring Last Rites, which is the newest conjuring movie. Right. Pretty good. Pretty bad. Fun send-off for the sexiest horror couple in history. Yes.

I watched a movie called Tales of Halloween. It's like an anthology. Oh, cool. Kind of like Trick-or-Treat, but not as good as Trick-A-Tree. I would just watch Trick-A-Treat instead. You've never seen Trick-A-Treat? It's a real treat, so please do that. Relic, which was from 2020.

I remember Relic. You do? It takes place in Chicago. No, no, no. It's a awesome. That might be the relic, but relic is Australian or New Zealand. Oh, damn. Yeah, I'm talking about the one where they're in the natural history museum and the theme.

Yeah. Not that. Okay. This is relic. Okay, gotcha. Gotcha. One word. One of my least favorite tropes is the ghost is trauma, I call it.

Where you're watching this whole thing and then turns out the ghost the whole time was just trauma. There's like a few movies that pull up, like devil's advocate pulls off. pulls off like Fantastic. You know, right. I agreed. The movie identity at the motel.

Incredible movie. The Babaduke, I think, was good. Like, that's a jump scare. Oh, Ghost's Trauma movie that I think works. Okay. Yeah, a couple movies can do it,

but I know what you mean. That's a classic ghost's trauma situation. Okay. I watched Possession. Ah. Absolute classic. Right. Yep. Screaming. One of the...

Lots of screams. One of the greatest performances by a human being in a movie ever. Screams. I watched Invasion of the Body Snashers, OG. The OG. Is that a... Yes. Yeah. Southern.

Donald Sutherland. Mr. Sutherland. One of the greatest movie endings in history. Scary. Yeah. Scary. I watched a found footage movie called Lake Mungo. Another, I think it's also Australian.

Pretty good. Yeah, Mung. Fun. I know it influenced a lot of things in like the 2000s found footage world. Yeah. Let's see. Shelby Oaks I saw.

And then the other day, I watched audition. Yeah. With the, is it Korean or Japanese? It is Japanese. Yeah. I know about that movie.

It's on a lot of like, scariest ever movie. Yes. And what's fucked up about it that I feel, but this is Takashi Miquet, I believe it's pronounced, who did 13 Assassins.

Ischi the Killer. He didn't want it to be marketed as a horror movie. He wanted it to be a romance movie and that the twist was the horror aspect. And that would make it so much more effective. Right. But it's great. It's classic. So much has been stolen from that movie in like modern kind of torture porn stuff.

Yeah. I really don't like that stuff. I don't either, but I think this does it well because she's so horrifying. Sure, sure. And this was like before. all that. Sure. It's like 98 or something. And then I watched Ring, OG Ring. Oh, dude.

The first one? So good. The American one? The Japanese one. The Japanese one, sure. Yeah. So good. Scary. Still scary. Yeah, still scary. I'm gonna probably watch a bunch of bullshit. Like what? I don't know, dude. I, like, I don't

love, like, probably scream. You know, that's, like, I'm in the mood for that. I don't like torture porn. stuff. I don't really. I don't really either. I just love, I love feeling scared. Yeah. I, I'm, I'm dying to feel scared. Huh. I don't have that. Really? Dude, I spent, you don't like that feeling? I spent 14 years of my life being scared. The first 14, you know what I mean? So now, now you, you, so that made you not, I, I want that feeling, dude. I crave it of being like genuinely like, like, like a jump scare is the, is, like, is, like, is, like,

like a drug to me. No shit. Yeah, no, I have zero interest in that. I actually think that it's like a cop out. No, but like, that's what I'm saying, an effective jump scare. Okay, yeah. I'm like, oh my God, not like, with the cats running across when the,

and during this moment of dread. I'm talking the feeling of like, oh my God, it's coming and it's still got me. Can you name? Oddity. Oh, I haven't seen it. I was going to say. That's the last thing. I saw that like gotcha.

Where I experienced dread the whole time. And I still, it's still got me. Got you. I knew it was coming every time. And I was like, I felt unsafe in my own home. It's so funny when they do the thing and they figure out how to get you

where it's like medicine cabinet. Nothing there. Oh, it's obviously coming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah. Let's see. Maybe we wrap this up with our thoughts on the new AFI? Sounds great.

I'd say first listen, I was like, I don't know if this is for me, man. Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's right. I heard the single before we recorded the episode, and it was like, okay. Okay, but it's a single. Hopefully this doesn't represent the whole record. It could be the weird one, whatever. And then that very much represented the record.

Yep, there's no distorted guitar on the record. No. Which is very interesting. Leads, little leads all over it, little Gothic leads. Now I think it was the best move they could have possibly made. Kind of cat, cat and mouse, you know, little like, hey, listen to that. I really, I think the record overall is best decision they could have made. Interesting.

Don't try to rewrite your classics. Yeah. If that's not naturally in you, don't try to do it. If you're excited about this new different thing, five. Follow the passion. And I, like, this is the most invested I've been in an AFI record since burials. Barrels, right. You know, and that's 12 years.

You know, I got two bits of feedback that I do agree with. I wish we would have talked about Art of Droning a little more. Me too. And we skipped the blood album, like entirely. No, we didn't. Did we not? No, no. Because that's the one where he's like, I experienced some writer's block.

Oh, okay. You're right. Yeah, you're right. We did not skip it. I saw that. I've led to that. Holy Visions. Great song.

And no one underground. Those are my tracks. Yeah. Those two. And then the Ashbeck. Yeah. Green speck and Ashbeck and the green eye. Yeah.

Great song. The, the Holy, Holy Vision, like that, that hook gets me. It's really good. Really like it.

Solid, just like Gothic rock album. They played here like a week ago. Dude, the set lists have been awesome. Single second? Come on. A lot?

And I can't go. Can't go at all. Why can't you go? They're not playing L.A. Oh. Bullshit. They'll probably do something. They'll do something.

It's coming up, I'm sure. But yeah, that concludes this little catch-up, Bo and I, you know, it's been so nice. Just wanted to chill. He'd gone home from tour today, so we didn't want to do anything too crazy. The alternative to this was not doing anything. So here we are. So we hope you enjoyed it. We love chatting.

We love doing nothing. We love shooting shit. We'll be back next week with something sick. Happy Edge Day, which is tomorrow. Holy shit. Wow, Friday, yes. Isn't that nice? That is nice.

Very good. Listen to floor punch, listen to 10-yard fight, listen to those two bands. Yeah. Over and over. For the whole day. And I have a surprise for you on Tuesday, so enjoy that. Next Tuesday? Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. All right. Thanks, everybody. Bye. We love you so much. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.