HardLore - Colin & Bo Reunite (With Q&A)

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

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Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord time. How are you, Bo? Hey, how do you work this thing, huh? Do I look here or do I look down there? Wow. We're back. It's been, it's been actual over a month since we've recorded a new thing together. It really has. So thank you all for your patience and for sticking with us. Yeah. And we hope you've enjoyed what we've shown you from the vault of the last couple weeks, but we're back, baby.

We're back. And you know what, Colin, I've grown. I've learned. I've lived. I've laughed. I've loved. I can't wait to get into how. I've been in, I've been through so much in this past month.

So much to tell you. Oh. I'm excited to learn. So you've been gone, you've been on, Harmer's Way has been on tour with Fleshwater in Grown and Jive Bomb. Mm-hmm. I played a show with that tour. That's right. Right.

Almost toward right near the end. The furthest west, like the furthest we got. Okay. Like as we started, that was when we started eastward, ever eastward. You ran into me. That's right. Like a brick wall. So let's see.

Let's go from the top. What have I missed in the life of Bo? We're going to go for the top. So the first show was Milwaukee. It was sold out ahead of time. X-ray arcade. I think it's like 250 cap. Not a huge room.

you know, but it's good. It's kind of like, because you know, when you haven't done something in a minute, you got to shake the rust off a little bit. And Milwaukee's borderline hometown. Borderline. Hence,

which is why it was beginning of the tour and the Chicago was the end. That was pretty strategic. Yeah. And it was great. Fucking, it was awesome. Like, you know, a lot of, especially those first,

that first week or so was like such a blur. Yeah. You forget how much like loading in sound checking, setting up merch, playing, breaking down, loading back into the van and then leaving like, that's hours. That's four hours. I'll tell you what. At first, when you started the tour, I had a little bit of fomo, you know? Yeah. Because it was like, it was like you were posting slides like week one. Mm-hmm.

And I was like, damn, that looks like a cool week. And then after playing. a couple shows right before joining you. Well, no, you know what? It was preparing for the fucking misfits thing. Oh, right. Was where it was like, damn, I'm fucking tired. I'm already tired.

What is this motherfucker going through? Yeah. So I'm just looking at the tour here, so I don't forget it. Yeah. So yeah, Milwaukee was good. We stayed at home that night because we were on our way to St. Louis the following day. St. Louis, I've said this before. say it again. At one time I tweeted

something bad about St. Louis. You've been hating on St. Louis your whole life. It was 2015. I've lived, I've laughed, I've loved since then. And I put my foot in my damn mouth. And it was awesome. It was sold out. It was in some fucking venue. It's right here. It was called

the blueberry hill. It was, it's like downstairs, good size room. Chuck Berry shit all over the place. Like he played there a bunch or something. I don't know. There's a walk of fame in St. Louis. All of the sidewalks around this venue have like stars on them.

And it would literally be like, you know, someone I've never heard of and then like Charles Lindbergh. Like the most random fucking shit. And you know, I mean, obviously we know the freshwater people very well. Yeah. Let's talk about the bands. For those of you don't know, fleshwater is pretty much vain, kind of rotating instrument. and then adding Marissa, mercy,

who sings a lot of... The wickedly talented. She's just cruelly abled. And it's kind of... How would you describe it? I'm reluctant to say grunge because I bet you they don't like that, but what are you going to do?

I'll tell you what. I mean, it's... Def Tones is clearly they're number one influence. They're fans, for sure. So I should hate it. But... But the inclusion of Marissa makes me not hate it, you know?

Yeah, I went to, just a quick side note, went into a Carhart yesterday, met Laslo from Carhart, blasting Fleshwater when I walked in. And he was at the Metro show at the end of the store, but we'll get there. And then obviously, Ingrown, the homies from Boise, obsessed with guns, obsessed with weed. Just, I think every other day, James. James probably made a joke to Ross, the singer of Ingron, about where, where do we load all the ARs? Stuff like that. You know.

Okay. And they fucking rocked. I think everyone on the tour would agree that they were the best part of the tour. Ross's stage presence of singing and playing and like going off all at the same time. Yeah. It should be impossible for them to sound that good. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. they sound that good. And like Charlie wasn't the original drummer. He kills it. No, dude. I mean, we should talk about that for a second. Go ahead. Because it was like,

obviously I'm not going to get into like the circumstances to which he had to replace the original guy, but it was in the middle of a tour. And Charlie was the bass player. And it was just like, okay, I guess we don't have a drummer now. Maybe I can do it. And like, look, there are some bands. I bet you I could jump behind. kit. I could get through a set.

It ain't ingrown. Not ingrown. Not something with blasts and like fast-ass rolls and shit. It's crazy. So that's amazing. Charlie is also, I don't think I'm talking about a turn. He's their band dad. So he's just really just a, he is the utility knife and he's all over the place.

And they kill it. That's a cool fucking band. And you know, obviously we didn't talk about Fleshwater's performance when we spoke about them. A a wall of sound. Oh, dude. Insane.

Something that's awesome about Fleshwater is like, they have a thing that is really difficult to replicate. They have like the effortless cool factor where it's just like, yeah, we're fucking dope. And we're just, yeah, yeah, you know, we're just doing it. And like, Jeremy is very good at sound as a concept.

Just all sound. They sounded great every night. Marissa's a pro ass singer. Yeah, literally. Yeah, literally. And John's going off and playing and Marissa's rocking. Dude, she's probably going to hate me. She's a listener to the show.

She's going to hate me saying this. But like they would start the set and then she would kind of come out a little later. Oh, dude. You know? And people would fucking lose their minds. And it was so sick every night. I loved it. At the LA show, that was like insane.

It was like, whoa. Dude, the LA show was. We'll get there. Yeah. Oh my God. And they'll talk about Jibomb. I've played, I played Flyover Fest with them again. Oh, yeah. Two days ago. Yeah. That's right. Um, Jibomber's sick. They're a bunch of fucking little rascals. That's all I can describe them as. Just they are the little rascals. Yeah. All of them. They're fuckers for sure. It's just little fuckers. I got a fucker vibes. Yeah. Like, I'm not convinced that, uh, I'm not convinced that, uh, I'm not convinced that, Some of them aren't, in fact, two small children stacked up walking around playing instruments.

I.E. Little Gaskell. Okay. They had a great tour. They very interestingly, not interestingly, but like ironically covered little from the world most of the tour. And like, that's not a band that you would expect to cover a Coldus Life song, but it like, no. Worked and sounded great. And all they're like, you know, they're opening a tour.

Sometimes that rocks and sometimes it doesn't rock. One or four is fucking tough, man. It's tough. The best slot, I think we all know, is two of four. Two of four. Two of four rips, and that was an ingrown spot. But Jai Bomb definitely, definitely stepped up, killed it. I think they had way more good sets than awkward opening sets, which happens.

Which is a miracle. Yes, absolutely. I don't tour that long. Tour very long. How much did it suck waiting to play last every single day? I mean, you know, you just headlined two days of a fest, not consecutively. the worst fucking thing ever. Dude, Friday in Tulsa was maybe the longest single day of my entire life.

Like, obviously, I'm not trying to whine about, oh, my bad just headlined the tour. Like, obviously, that's, no, that's a great problem to have, but it's something you don't think about while you're grinding up to that level for so long. You're just sitting and waiting and thinking like, oh, maybe the weather's bad. Oh, it's a Tuesday. Oh, maybe people are going to leave after whoever, you know, like you'd never know. So it's intense. It's a lot of, but I pretty much, like, you know, how do I diplomatically talk about this? Fleshwater and us have very different demographic of fan bases.

And you don't have to be diplomatic. But, you know, I think it's obvious that like you bring out a direct support band to bring a different audience to the headliner. That's the whole point. That's the point. There's no, there's no diplomacy required. They have a young audience. It's amazing. Yes.

And there's the risk of, yes, there's the risk of that, that audience not staying. Well, walkout is very possible and scary. It's borderline guaranteed. But it is. I mean, look, people leave before hate being. Absolutely. That's not what I'm saying. No matter who it is, it's guaranteed.

It doesn't matter. Unless your slip knot, it's happening. So I was worried about like, oh, like a 40 to 20% walkout. At most, it was maybe 10. And like some nights we were playing after like 10 o'clock. It's not that. It's not crazy. So that was very relieving and I got over that within the first few shows.

Yeah. So that was like a big like mental hurdle for me personally. It's because like it doesn't matter how many tickets sold. If there's nobody in the room, like it sucks. Yeah, so that's the one con. Yeah. Which the pro of that is any single one of them that stays, you blow their minds. And let me tell you something.

You got them forever. I tweeted about this very early on. the younger people, whether they were coming for a fleshwater or not, maybe they just were coming. There are people who got into it over maybe the pandemic recently, whatever the fuck, it doesn't matter. Yeah.

They showed up early. They were upfront the entire time. They would buy merch and put it on immediately. And then they would stay across every night. Yeah. They would catch stage divers. The whole works. They were perfect.

So that was really cool. and I don't know. It was very like refreshing. It was very nice. Dude, this is the genre for the youth. And that's been missing. Quite literally. Like we, no matter what, we need new people.

We need young people. They need to be there. And they were fucking there. And let me tell you, after St. Louis, we went to Louisville. We played Portal, which is where Dead Body played. after LDB. Oh, yeah.

So we played that venue. That was when Ingrown's van died. Oh, yeah. Their van died two days into a 30 day. Did they ever put up that shirt? I don't know. Do you see it? I don't know.

Did you see it? I don't think so. Oh, man. It's a good shirt. Yeah. There might be an Ingrown Benefit shirt at some point for their van dying. And let me tell you, if you listen to this show, in any capacity, you're going to love it.

Oh, okay, cool. So they had to go from fucking, where were we? St. Louis to Louisville in like, like in a U-Haul in a box truck, they were going to rent from friends, from other bands, blah, blah, they ended up renting a minivan, and then the rest of the bands all had trailers. And we just took, we just split all their shit up amongst us and it was fine. That's awesome.

And like, that's, and what other genre is that happening? Exactly. Any other genre, it's like, man, that sucks. You can be there tomorrow? That sucks, man. I'll see you guys. Yeah. What, uh, let's, let's, um, yes. Are there, are there big anecdotes that you've got kind of mapped out along the way? Let me go to my. Before I ask, like, best show, worst show.

Worst meal. Best meal. I have just like, yeah, so we're getting to some meals. Milwaukee was a blur. St. Louis, we had a place called, um, um, BB, BBQ, BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBKK, BBBBKK, but good friend of the show. Like literally nothing, industrial area, good friend of the show. Although Ty picked me up and we went to a place called Mission Barbecue, pretty dope. we tried to go to a mod pizza couldn't get in

all right and then afterwards was Columbus now what we do what harm's way does always no matter what especially after having been robbed so many times

is even if it's a four hour drive we will do an hour or two on our way to the next show overnight find a hotel off the highway because that way and they're like, we back in the trailer, we put a trailer lock on,

we fucking, we do everything we can. And you want the clown motel. You don't want the Venetian, you know? Dude, so. Nobody's looking for you at the clown motel. Exactly. And, you know, think, dude, one of my notes was,

how does Europe exist? And that question is because, like, here in America, you can find a hotel fucking anywhere. Anywhere. There's a hotel. and like hotels you've seen 100 times before you know there's a comfort in or a holiday inn or whatever the hell everywhere yeah what are they got i don't know maybe there's like a tavern

and a willage you can say at yeah yeah but then you know there's a werewolf around and then the red riders come and you know it's no good yeah the hooded a hooded rider comes in it takes your shit um i'm trying to think of like specific anecdotes one thing that i have here here is, this is a note verbatim, James will drive in silence, but let a can rattle for 20 minutes. He doesn't put on. His mind is at war. What are you going to do? He doesn't put on music. He doesn't put on a podcast. It's just silence. And there will be an empty Diet Coke can next to him in the console just for 20 minutes. And I have to just like crush it and put it down. That's what he's singing about, you know? Yeah. That's the vermin. That's the vermin.

That's the bad. That's the, the sickening thoughts. The murder on my mind. Yeah. It's the co can. That's real. That's happening.

But he can't hear that Coke can because his mind is just, ah! I also have, just how quick a day goes by, which we obviously just talked about. But like, it really is crazy that I was just, I just time traveled.

I was gone for a month. I've done so many things since you left. A month. Yeah. A month. And I. car basically. Yeah.

Oh. I sat shotgun or drove the entire tour. Okay. Zero. I didn't lay on a bench one time. So you never slept at night? I only slept. I drive at night.

Okay. So I only slept at night. You know what? What? That's good for your sleeping pattern. I know. You're the perfect guy to have. And that's why I do it.

Interesting. Seriously. I'm not even like like when we're loaded out it's 11 and we got a three hour drive to the hotel. I put on my like shitty like 80s pop playlist and I go. And I have a great time, dude. I stop at the first loves. I come across. I get a giant fountain drink.

Let me ask you this. Hit me. How is daylight savings time hitting you this time? I mean, time I don't. It's Tuesday. I didn't know what time it was or what day it was until I just remember. remembered what day it was. Like, like time doesn't exist right now. That's why I called you last night. So you don't acknowledge fall back as a state of being. I'm constantly falling back.

Okay. I mean, that I know. Perpetual falling. Um, yeah, when it happened, I think, dude, the fucked up thing is, I think when daylight savings happened, we were in Arizona. So it didn't happen. Oh. And then it did happen. Crazy. Yeah. Um, and then you're with me. And then, yeah. But, uh, what was the, what was your single favorite show tour? you want to wrap it up already? No, no, no. I just want to, we're going, we're going to. Okay.

Denver. Wow. So the thing about Denver, and I'll get more into it, but we didn't expect it to be crazy. And it was fucking crazy. Expectations were bare. I'm, like, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if you're, if Ashton's about to come in here, because you just said Denver, you know? Like, you're, somebody's punking me.

Where's the whoopee cushion? Yeah. Yeah. This guy's getting me. Is there another camera? No, I know. And not to like shit on Denver or anything, but I just like, after you play L.A. and Berkeley and like, you know, Brooklyn and all these other places that are pretty fucking good. You're not expecting middle of the country places to be that hot and boil.

No. Boy, boy. I've had, I've had far more bad shows in Denver than I've had good ones. The good ones were great. Don't get me wrong. But that's, I'm, I go into. Denver like, let's see how this is going to go. It's never the same twice.

Yes, that was the vibe. Especially as a headliner. After, oh, after Louisville was Columbus, where you and I did the whatnot. So I kind of got a little catch up there. That's when I really lost my voice. That was like, oh, she gone. Yeah, and it's still not really back, right? It's not really back, no.

I got sick probably the second day. And everyone on the tour ended up getting sick. I think I was patient zero. And it just went... Per euse. Per euse, yeah. It went, it was throat and nose, no fever, nothing else. Okay.

But it was just like, you know how we talk about this all the time. Talking over the house music. Yeah. That's what kills you. It's got nothing to do with singing. And boy, oh boy. I've had that same thing going on. But the thing that happened is the range of my voice that I lost is my like, like,

ah, like is my yelling voice. So it did. It was one step forward, two steps back every day. I would get better. Yeah. Luckily, we opened with Silent Wolf most of the time. And that has like the most intense singing part for me. So by the end of the second chorus, it shot.

And I was gone. But yeah, we did that. Columbus was sold out. There was a barbecue place right in the thing. They made me a special sandwich. It burnt ends. It was delicious. Nice.

That was a really good one. That was the first time on the tour where people sang along like really sang along to new songs, specifically Terrorizer. We play a song called Terrorizer off the new record,

which is more of an industrial song. And we played it really early on. And that show, there was like a pile on to sing along with James. And that was the first. And we were all like, whoa, you know, that was crazy. He never gets those.

Yeah. We played a ringworm intro, just because. Yeah. You know, Columbus. It's close. That's funny that like you guys are maybe the only band that does the full like click track tracks thing willing to be like, let's throw something in before.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's such a pain in the ass to implement that with all that stuff you got going on. And let me address that now because I don't want people to think we're playing to tracks. No. How it works is Chris is playing to a click and a scratch guitar. and that way we all just play to him and everything is just nice

and then just like the 808s and stuff are there which blew my mind. Yeah, there's little stuff in the background that really, really kind of pulls everything together really ties the room together, man. Because now, like, I've got the SPD pad thing I bought just for those shows. So now I'm obsessed with like, okay, what can I do?

Yeah. Manually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that other people are doing automatically. I mean, you've seen Nick fucking tap dance to like that call my name song. He's going every fucking downbeat. It's insane. So now we don't have to do that anymore.

That's good. After Columbus, we did Detroit at the Magic Stick, which of course we've both played before. Did you go to Whitney? You know what? I was right there and I thought I was walking that direction. And I thought I would take a picture and it was the opposite direction.

You know how that area is kind of, it's just like, a street, it just happened to be the wrong way. The magic stick is totally redone. They have lights on the ceiling now. Like LED lights on the ceiling that point down. And like during a pit, it's fucking awesome. Wow. It is, they're like LED bars with diffusers on them.

That sounds fucking sick. Probably like 30 and they're like kind of offset from each other. and they'll just like, kick it, like, and it looks. So does the lighting person just be like,

hey, what do you want? And you go, yeah. I want, I want, yeah, the intro to blade.

Do the blood bath. Oh, that's cool. It's fucking awesome. So that was cool. That was the first like cold, cold day where I was like, wow,

loaders are everything to me. Yeah. We just, we've lived without them for so long. For so long. And my body can't anymore. No one's body can. Dude, there were some loaders.

I'll point them out specifically when we get there. But there were some loading teams on this tour who would like bring our shit in, open up cases and start setting up drums. What? Like, just like, we got it and just start putting shit together. What union are they in? Dude, something that needs. Let's get them a Christmas bonus.

Unbelievable. So that was, Magic Stick did did great job. That was cool. I'm trying to think if we crossed into, no, because we went to Pittsburgh. We had a day off. Ah, this was a big day. So we had a day off to get from Pittsburgh or from Detroit to Pittsburgh.

This was Texas Roadhouse, Jim, Killers of the Flower Moon, hotel. What do you think of Killers the Flower Moon? I thought it was very good. I thought it was needlessly long. I thought a couple things repeated itself a couple times and I just didn't think it was necessary.

My only real critique. You know, you probably could have shaved off 20, 30 minutes, maybe. I thought De Niro literally stole the show. Dude, he was on God mode. He was legit like Brando Godfather level the whole time. It was unbelievable. The fucking, like he was so intimidating and scary without doing anything scary. Even with them, a wuga glasses on the good.

The Rocky and Bullwinkle 27s. It was awesome. I loved, no spoilers, don't worry. But I loved the like, the front's here, not here, like that part. Yeah. We were alone in our theater, which is hilarious because Jive Bomb went to the same theater we didn't even know. And they were alone in their theater too.

Same movie? Same movie. We just happened to go at different times. How does that happen? It was early on in the tour. We just didn't coordinate. And they went to earlier. I just mean like how was there too at the same time at the same theater.

They went to an earlier showing and we went to the gym and, you know, whatever. And we were completely alone in our theater, which was amazing. Yeah. Had a great time. Had a great meal. I liked the movie a lot. I just was in Tulsa, you know. I was in Oklahoma.

I went and lost a lot of money at the Osage Casino. Is that true? Just doing my part. You were at the Osage Casino. Giving back. Yeah. Whoa. There's still like a, dude, there's a little like mini oil rig thing outside.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. I'll say it wasn't the movie I expected it to be. For better or for worse. It just wasn't what I expected. That doesn't make it a bad movie or that I didn't enjoy it. It's tough.

I will say, like, think about finishing, finishing Oppenheimer. I was like, let's go back in. Yeah. Hit play. Yeah, right. Hit play again. Killers of Flower Moon I'm going to have to sit with and before I see again just because it's so brutal.

It's brutal. Yeah. Unbelievable ending. I don't want to say. Yeah, we'll talk about that off camera because I have questions about that. Yeah, so great day off. Then we busted our butts over to preserving underground, which is a really, have you been there yet?

I don't think so. No. it's fucking awesome it's AJ who sings for face rec and has been in various bands and has done shows and blah blah he's got like a museum in a store

to hardcore in like an old church and there's a smaller room downstairs and a bigger room upstairs codes world thing was just upstairs oh is at that yeah yeah oh wow it's cool it's awesome it's awesome

the officers is incredible it's just a big room we did downstairs um Oh, you played there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where the show was. That's where the show was. So we played there, played downstairs.

Eternal Sleep played. Got to see all those guys. Joe. Scary. Joe, I said this to him. Dude, Joe Sanderson. If he's your enemy, just shoot him. You're not winning.

Singer of Eternal Sleep. This guy, I don't know a whole lot about fighting. I'm not going to pretend to like know anything about that. Yeah. But he was, you know, I love that guy. And he's been out of the country for. so long in Thailand doing Muay Thai competitively. And he was talking to me.

He was like, yeah, and I was talking about his record. He's only, he's had like 30-something fights, 20-something fights near 30, I think, and he's lost twice. One time was a surprise. And the second time, he said, he was like, oh, I went into that knowing I was going to get my ass kicked. Hmm. Think about that.

Mindset. Think about going into something knowing that someone can knee and elbow you until you pass out. It's not going to be me. So he's the scariest frontman currently. in my opinion. He's a killer. He's a literal killer.

They played at Rock, seeing all those guys was great. Code came, saw everybody in code, hung out, got to catch up. It was nice. It was like a good,

like, it was cool to see, I don't know, I don't know if anybody else feels this way, but at one time, it was kind of like, oh, vain in code and us. And Twitching,

honestly, are kind of like weird outsiders in this, in the hardcore world because we don't have boop, puk, puk, Buk-p-p-p-c-p kind of drum beats and like kind of more, I don't, you know, I'm not trying

to be an asshole, but more like straightforward, hardcore, anything, whatever. We were all involved in this world, but we're kind of outliers and blah, blah, blah. It's nice to kind of like catch up in that way and see that kind of thing and blah, blah, blah. So that was fun. It was good to see all of them. And your record came out the same day. Dude, of course, ours and Code's record came out the same exact fucking day. and yeah it was cool to see them Jamie grew another inch like he normally does

he's a big boy I got a I post made it a netty an auto netty thing because I was real sick how was that I love that thing I love it it clears me out it makes me feel great but it didn't help one time when you know them steam inhale things that some singers use yeah Vincent from the Acacia Street and swears by he's got one yeah so one time on the life and death thing that we did with no warning. I was starting to lose my voice a little bit. And Ben Cook was like,

why don't you use my steam thing? Yeah. Which is like insane to do. Yeah, don't ever share anything that goes into your body. I was sick for a year. It was crazy. So don't use anybody's steam thing.

Ben, thank you for letting me use your steam thing. Don't use anybody's netty pot or anything like that. Don't do that. That's for one person. Lord knows. I've been sick for so long right now. Well, it's crazy. What is going on?

I don't know. There's something out there that's like way worse than COVID. It's the longest COVID. Dude, I'm, it's like, I've had a cough and a sore throat for a month and a half. A month and a half. I don't know what's going on

Yeah I think it's pneumonia You gotta get checked out Yeah I think I got pneumonia You could have whooping cough You might need to be in an iron lung Dude

A good day to you sir Right now What How hard would an iron lung go Right now You don't have to breathe Something breathing for me It would go

It would be unreal It feels so good The bulk of the series All right After Pittsburgh We went to Toronto And this was also a special one. Toronto.

Toronto was unbelievable. We played at a place called Unbelievable. Lee's Palace, I believe it's called. So I say this respectfully for all the Midwest places that we played. Toronto was the first like a market

on the tour. Which I don't think is disrespectful. You can't argue that. That's reality. It's the New York of Canada. Exactly, exactly. Toronto was packed. Big ass stage, tall as fuck.

So that's, That's always a little distracting. Like five feet high. But how did it sound? Sounded okay. I will say, so this was our first tour where we had a sound guy on the tour. Us and Fleshwater shared a gent from the bay named Parker. Sure.

And he did sound for both of us. Having somebody who knows your set, knows your sound, knows the setup is fucking unbelievable. Yeah. Somebody to make sure that the samples are loud. And obviously to do your live mix is amazing. But that doesn't always mean that he's doing like stage sound or the monitor mix. There would be in-house guys. So sometimes there's discrepancies.

Scenes, scenes get saved and lost. And like, however, we would sound check every fucking night. And sometimes, I would say most of the time, it was not the same when we got back on stage. And I remember that being the case. But you know how it is, Colin. Sometimes a show is so dope that you don't give a fuck. Oh, yeah. I don't care how it sounds.

We're having a blast. So that was great. it was packed out. We illegally parked in an alley all fucking night. Because at a certain point, it's kind of like what they're going to tow a 15 passenger and a trailer out of this alley.

I don't think so. Good luck. Good luck. Yeah. So. That's good. Man, I got to play Toronto. Dude, Toronto, let me, let me fucking put Toronto over for a minute.

Toronto was the first city ever in the history of harm's way to sell out in advance for us. us. Period. Ever. Including Chicago. Day of had happened,

but in advance, Toronto was like way out. It was on the post-human tour. And that like, oh. And to this day, I know I can check our Spotify,

top cities. I know Toronto's up there. Top five. It's always like Chicago, L.A., Toronto, every single fucking time. Let's look at mine, real.

And then like Sydney. It's hilarious. Sidney. There's some fucking rockers in Sydney. fucking ripping. Yeah. Let me see here. Let's see.

How do you check this shit? Okay. You go to. L.A. Chicago. Chicago. Philly. Mine is Chicago, L.A. Philly. That's hilarious.

And that's Sydney. Dude. Gonset is L.A. Chicago, Philly, San Antonio, Sydney. Beautiful bastards. T.T. is. Wolf. No.

L.A. Chicago, Philly, San Antonio, New York. Nice. That's good. We lost. Sydney. Oh, Sydney. It goes New York, Brooklyn.

Sydney. Noted. Yeah. And remembered. And remembered. So then after Toronto, oh, dude, also,

we looked out and got like a crazy. So we stayed in hotels. The way we were doing it now is we got three snores in the band and two non-sores. Right. I'm a snore. Yeah. I brought my CPAP on this tour. So now I'm actually in purgatory because I don't snore.

Apparently it helped me not snore. I didn't feel like I slept better. The last day of tour I fucking in Elko, Utah, or wherever it is, I left a fucking part of it in a hotel. And now the CPAP is useless. So that's great. Oh, perfect. And I called and the fucking guy. I was like, I invited.

So whatever. I got to, I got to think something out of that. He's using it, dude. He's at home sleeping. Sleeping good. So I'm kind of in purgatory, but in Toronto, we stayed out near the airport and got like a deluxe suite because it was really cheap and had two bathrooms in one room. I took a bath. I love a bath. Good for you, man. Thank you. The next day, we went to good, good, well, first we got tattooed. Me, Nick and Casey got some, we got tatted. Went to a place called Pearl Harbor in Toronto. Just picked that off the wall. I thought it was dope. A guy named Nate B did it

And then We went to Maddie Matheson's Prime Seafood Palace PSP, how was it? So good Yeah, it was so special We pretty much ordered the menu The only thing we didn't get too much of

Was like the caviar stuff We're not really, you know Not like a caviar guy It's fine, but It's pretty dope. Yeah. I guess that would have been the time, but I just wasn't, you know. Highlights for me were the Wagoo, the Tomahawk, the fucking Keene lime pie.

It was one of the desserts, and it knocked my damn socks off. I'll tell you what. The vibe was great. I went to the crazy bathroom with the ceiling. It was just like, it was really cool. and you know, I'm like a, I'm a bit of a fan boy. So it was like fun and it was special. Going back to the van, we got parked in to a open parking lot.

An open one. So no building structure, but just like a lot. And we got kind of parked in by cars and couldn't get out of this spot. And then as we were going to unload the trailer. James left the up a car. We were going to unload the trailer, move the trailer manually and do that. And as I was kind of repositioning the trailer, I just cleared it and just made it.

Just like pure luck just made it. I felt it in my bones, you know. You're like, oh, I can do it. I can do it. And they were like, oh, you got it. And we just laughed. So that was cool. However, that day, we had a day off to get from Toronto to Brooklyn.

And as you know, driving into Brooklyn is possibly the worst thing. The worst. We played the monarch. And we were just there. And that's chaos. Well, that street out of all, out of everywhere in Brooklyn, is maybe the easiest place to park. Dude, that's what I told everyone.

We got there and I'm not even joking. They like the businesses across the street from the monarch they're like they have pallets. I don't know what it is, but it's like some kind of warehouse distribution thing. Getting deliveries.

So there's 20 foot box trucks trying to go down to that street. Yes. Both ways. Oh, you got fucked by circumstance. And then and then the venue's like, oh yeah, you park here. And like there's a, a guy just like laying on his horn staring at me as I'm trying to park the van I had to park on top of a pallet I literally like crushed a pallet parked halfway on the sidewalk and then this dude I forget

his name it was a funny name but they're like oh he'll get the rest of them this guy in a forklift just like just moved to everything and made room for the whole tour wow it was unbelievable but it was it was a nightmare it was frustrating for his second, but there was ample parking on that street. Eventually, yes. Which in Brooklyn is not a thing. Not a thing at all. It was a really good show. This was also the like, oh, here we go. It was like, okay, Toronto we knew would be good. And then Brooklyn's like, okay, here we go. Like things are moving. That's a real test because New York's tricky. Dude, it has taken us. We've been to bands since 2006. We played Vitis on post-human and that was really good.

but it's a smaller room, you know. This was the first like, okay, this room is big. Yeah. And it fucking kicked ass. So this was the first like, oh, thank God. You know, very, very affirmating, affirming. Affirming. It was really good.

Production assistant Andy came to the show, got to see her. Nice. Everybody's doing so good in Brooklyn. I don't know how. Yeah, I don't know how. Couldn't wait to get out of there. $53,000 a month. Is that what it costs to rent an apartment there?

$53,000 a month. You heard that. It's half a mill to rent. Yeah, we, Fleshwater's set was particularly good at that show, I remember. I could see that. I think about it. I could see that real good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you could. Didn't eat anything particularly good. McDonald's? No, we went to like some bar. Andy and I went to some bar around the corner. Went to that bodega that's right up the street.

That's a good one. Sean the butcher came, of course. Oh, legend. Legendary. Legendary, man. Oh, Toronto traffic. Possibly the worst. Top five easily.

What's the top five? I mean, do we want to keep it continental or do we want to Yeah, I'm not going, I mean, like obviously Dubai sucks to drive in, you know, because Bangkok is was actually the worst. Yeah, I'm not worried about that. Okay. Long Island. Long Island sucks.

Number one. Number one. Yeah. Easy. I've been in really bad L.A. traffic. Yeah, it sucks. But it's been a minute. I've been getting lucky.

Dude, the time, it's all timing. It's all timing. It's not always bad. It's just mostly bad. But remember, remember? when I made it from Anaheim to LA in like 45 minutes? Dude, okay, yeah. So LA's not even top five, dude.

Chicago. Chicago sucks especially right now. Jesus Christ. Seattle. I haven't been to Seattle in a minute, but let's say, oh, Atlanta is brutal traffic. Long Island is terrible.

And Long Island is separate from New York. So I'll say Long Island and then New York. Yeah. Because holy shit. Like you can't getting, from the city to Long Island, like there's one way to go and it's fucked. Then you can't take a trailer. But like I could Uber from a burrow to burrow and it don't take that long.

Doesn't make any sense. You hear me? I'm fucked up. Yeah, you're fucked up. Boston, when we did our Salem thing, remember how bad that was? That was crazy. That was crazy rough. And then Toronto, dude, there's like when you're going actually into the city from like

the Detroit area, so you're. heading east. Like it gets down to a point where it's just two lanes in either direction. So four lanes total. And this is a major metropolis. Yeah, that's the one. And it's fun there. Yeah, exactly.

It's the one. It's terrible. So we're going to need all of you to go figure that out infrastructureally. Fix it. My next note would, I would hate to go skydiving and see pictures of me and my cheeks were flapping. I just don't want to, I just don't want to be one of those people. You don't want that?

don't want that. That's fair. There's some, I like those videos, though, when people are like, looking all while. Yeah.

They're good, but I don't want to. I wouldn't post that person. I just want to. I'd be like, yeah, I would, I would be fat out of it like this.

Whoa. And I would land and be like, that was sick. That was fucking cool. Um, right around now was the time I discovered these protein pop tarts called the legendary pop tart. They're at every,

Every fucking, like loves, sheets, wawa, like any travel stop I've been finding them at. There's a cinnamon that's okay. There's a chocolate that's bad. There is a strawberry that is unreal. Couldn't pay me. You don't like strawberry? Hate it, dude. Maybe you'd like to send them.

It's like artificial strawberries, maybe the worst of all. Interesting. That for me is artificial watermelon. Can't stand it. Artificial banana? I like all banana. Yeah, you'd have to zes that. Tell me.

You couldn't tell me. You couldn't tell me. Zell's off for artificial banana. Alec fucks with the banana runs, right? Banana run is probably his favorite food. Period. He's sick in the head for banana run. Dude.

When we were talking, he was like, he was like, oh, we were talking about going somewhere and he was like, oh, there's, it's sugar there. You know, it's sugar? No. Is it candy store? You never seen It's sugar? I don't think so. It's like a mall candy.

store. Oh, nice. He was like, you know what? I thought about it. That's my hard door answer. If we're flying down the highway, he's pulling off for its sugar. Oh, I love that. Does he have cavities or anything?

No. Rock salad. He's just blessed. That Filipino had that half Filipino. I got the same. I got no cavities, but I don't have a shirt. You got the same? I've never had a cavity.

You're half Filipino? Is that what you say? Yeah. Yeah, I'm claiming it. No. I'm not. After Brooklyn... You're a really good singer.

After Brooklyn, we went to Boston where we played the Paradise Rock Club, never played there before. It was right in like... It wasn't Harvard. It was Boston University, I think. Sam Black Church played the same night. And Colin of Arabia

played the same day. It played. How was the show? The show was fucking awesome. I mean, Fleshwater. You know. Yeah. You're right.

It's hometown. But it rocked. There was no... Okay, something did happen that I do want to address. During temptation, people started kneeling and sitting. And there was someone encouraging people to sit and kneel. Who? I don't know.

A local. I don't know. No sitting. Now, when the heavy part kicked in, I said, get up, you fucking weirdos or something like that. Okay. Good. And people then who were sitting started getting like literally spin cucked in the head. Oh, good. So like that literally happened.

And that was cool. But then hold on now. No, no, I know. But then I found out that they were doing a slip knot thing. What? Like to get down until the part happens and then you pop up and go crazy. But they didn't pop up. They didn't pop up.

They got cut. Either way. Don't do that. Just enjoy the song and then kill each other. Have you seen the fucking like real from when better lovers is playing at Furnace Fest and two guys are like refing the pit? No. It makes me furious. Because it's two guys being like, hey, do you want to dress up like refs and make the show about us?

Dude, so that's that's the beef, guys. It's not. I don't like it, man. It's not like, oh, it's people having fun. No, it's great, have fun. Don't make the thing about you. Keep the content out of the band, the fucking art, you know? Yeah, like, like people paid to just see the band.

I drove a long way to just play. Don't. Like, kneeling and doing whatever the slip-not thing, whatever that was. That's them being like, that's not them thinking like this is going to go so viral. Yes, I agree. That's them thinking like, Harms Way is going to see this and probably think it's sick. Which we have the answer now. But no, no, no.

Like, finding that out, it's kind of like, oh, okay, that's not, all right, that's kind of fun. No, that's still like a crowd participation thing. At the time, man. It's just you being like, let's go, let's go down to the gig and make it about us. Or rowing. Or have you seen the fucking, the mining? The dwarfed metal shit?

Yes, there's mining now, dude. Who's mining? Dwarves. They're out there. Not that, not anymore. Or where is the, what cities are mining? A mine. But yeah.

A mine. My cousin, all right. So, I was afraid they were doing some kind of like sit, like shelter kind of like don't mosh thing. Possibly they were doing a slip knot thing. Either way, it turned into chaos and that was cool. So, hey.

Love chaos. Yeah. that's great. Big fan. See, after Boston, we played the church in Philadelphia. It was our first time. Never played there. They rocked.

Fucking rocked. Wow. Let me tell you something. I think on this whole list, it's like preserving underground, the church, and just off the top, oh, me head. Oh, the Eagle Hall in Vegas, because it's, you know, it's a VFW Hall. And then Gilman. Oh, yeah. that's four DIY venues.

And I would say with like historic hardcore and punk rock backgrounds, really only Gilman in the church are like it. I can't really think of other DIY like not owned by a bigger whatever places. Off the top of my head that we would play that are rocking. And this was like, this was a fucking hardcore show. And it felt so good. It rocked. It felt great.

It rocked. What's the cap there? It's got to be between four and five hundred. Okay. It was full. It was perfect. It was literally perfect. Everyone came out.

Joe did the show. Bob was there. It's fucking awesome. It's just like, it just felt good. You know, it's one of those things too where it was just like you'd see it. Like blacklisted played the night before. Oh. Oh, that was then.

That was then. So while we were loading out or we were loading in, beans and sausage were loading out. And we were like, got to catch up a little bit. It was cool. We got to talk. We got to have sausage on and just do a misfits. Yeah. He's the guy.

He's a hard lorian big time. I don't know if I've even told you this that. So Mark Nava tattoo artists who did. Yeah. That. painting right there. Big misfits guy. And he knows,

he knew who Dave was just from having misfits stuff. Really? He didn't know he was in blacklisted or like did six feet under records or anything. Really? He was just like, dude, you know, that guy? That guy's got every, because Dave just has like everything. Dave has a world renowned misfits collection. We should go.

We should view this collection. I wonder if he's got one of them. Doing that in person would be crazy. I wonder if he's got one of the trick-or-treat bags. I think it was like 1980 at the Ritz in New York. They put out the Halloween 7-inch. He used to have it all posted. So he,

they put out the Halloween 7-inch and it came in a happy Halloween from the Misfits bag. There's a horror business 7-inch for sale right now for $1,200 bucks. You want to go hazy's on it? We'll do part-time. Yeah, I'll get, uh, I want every other, we do every other weekend. Philly was great. I've always liked Philadelphia.

I've always enjoyed it. I mean, it was a top five. As we, while we were an active touring band, it was like, all right, at least Philly's coming up. Yeah,

yeah. Always liked it, had a great time. This, again, this is when it was like, okay, we're moving.

Oh, also on the way to that show, literally by sheer happenstance, drove past the Bada Bing from the Sopranos. Oh, cool. Got out, took a quick,

picks. What is it now? It's a strip club. Oh. It's still a strip club and it says it's called, you know, like contours or fucking golden gas. Was it raging? Like, well, there's a car. No, it was like 1 p.m. You know. Oh. Oh. But, um, like you could see the fucking ditch that Tracy gets killed in. Like it's just like, it was just like cool. And it was literally like we were kind of running late. And we drove past and James was like, yo, did you see that? what he's like I think that was the bottom of being I turned around and instantly it was like

do a lap we got it we have to go back that's awesome why would we ever you know yeah that was like a once in lifetime kind of thing yeah and got a pick really cool sent it to mom and dad in both nice um so that was let's see I think that would have been a Saturday next day we had Baltimore and now we're getting into the sweet spot of like two to three hour drives Yeah. Bodies feeling good. Northeast, man. They're blessed.

They don't know how good they got it. They don't know, dude. I mean, you got time to eat, gym, load, relax every fucking day. It's crazy. And it's, dude, if you live, if you're a touring band from the Northeast, you're a five-hour flight away from the UK. Oh, good point. So you're transcontinental immediately. You're going to Toronto.

You can go to Toronto any time. The same amount of time. it takes to get from L.A. to New York, you can get from New York to England. Yes. It's fucked up. Crazy. They're blessed. They are. They are. But then you got to be a, you know, logistically, being a band

in New York is difficult. Which is a rat in a cage. Where do you play? Where do you put an instrument? Yeah, dude. I always wondered, like, where do you practice? I think they just have lockouts like you guys have. Just a practice space.

Just a space. That's what we got. Yeah. Been in the same place for like 20-something years. So we had Baltimore, which is at the sound stage, which is where Disturbing the piece was. Right. Same place. Which was the day before Halloween. How was the jive bomb set at home?

It was awesome. It was a Monday night. And it was, dude, I think if I'm not mistaken, I might be talking out of turn. I believe Philly, Baltimore, Richmond were all sold out. out in a row. So it was sold out on a Monday night. Fucking rocking. That's crazy.

Jibom killed it. That stage, they took the barricade down, so that stage was good. They had a video wall. Love a video wall, dude. Banners, I'm over banners. Get L. Banners. Give me a video.

Dude, shout out to Stephen 197, who, if you saw us at the L.A. 1720 show. Stephen made that whole thing the day before where he did clips from a different movie for every single song. That's unbelievable. So sick. Unbelievable. Love a video wall.

Yeah. What's on yours? So we had a few things. We had like clips from the music videos just to kind of keep it, you know. We had like the, in one of the music videos, there's like a burning effigy, like a man that's on fire. So we had like our logo and then burning with like a negative.

It just kind of depended. We had young Finn. from Milwaukee. He now lives in Chicago. He did all of our music videos. He came with us for the East Coast states and some of the West Coast states and to film stuff and kind of put stuff together.

And he's just a little wizard. And he would make something for us and it rocked every night. Soundstage was good. Didn't eat shit. ate like some Peruvian place. No. That's good.

Just wasn't eating. But yeah, that was really good. We did the, you know, we took the pick on the Why So Funny Steam. Oh, you know. Burned my leg on sewer steam. On steam? Steam. Went up my pant leg and just fried.

We're falling apart, dude. And then the next day was Richmond at the Canal Club. Halloween day. Sold out Richmond on Halloween day. On Tuesday. Yeah. And we had no idea what we were going to do for costumes. We always do this thing where it's like last minute.

We've, we're like, let's do masks. You know. This time we decided to be like purposefully shitty vampires. Yeah. And, you know, we worked out at Foster's new gym. How was it? It looks amazing. Unbelievable.

I believe, is it West End or West Side? I think it's West End. Although, I think he also. I don't think it's either of those. It's Westwood. Westwood. Westwood athletics. Yeah.

Check that out if you're in here. But it fucking rocked. It was all the nicest equipment I've ever worked on. I worked out on and like brand new. Great soundtrack. They got all the stuff there. Of course. It's cool.

Worked out. Got a meal. We went as shitty vampires. Just kind of painted up, got like capes. What's funny is I went to the spirit store, found a collared cape black and red, you know? Grab five. The first one was indeed. what I grabbed.

The other four were all Little Red riding hood capes. So if you look at any of the pictures, James is wearing the one. And then the rest of us have hooded capes. But like it kind of worked out in like a true way. Yeah, they were red. Wasn't it fun wearing makeup? Kind of. Yeah.

Dude. Wearing makeup. I had a blast. And then like rubbing it all. Like seeing how it looks after is dope. Bad ass. Dude. Something.

else that happened to the point where I got an antibiotic prescription over the tour. Sweating. I was breaking out like crazy and putting face pain on. Acne? Yeah, dude. Yeah. I haven't sweat this much in, you know, four years. Every day consistently sweating that much.

Body didn't know what to do with it. I got some shit. We're out here, boys. It's okay. Dude, makeup. It's hard to go. back. I want it all the time. Twitching could do it all the time in

Concea Connickrature. No. I've thought about it. Like war, but like not war paint, like black metal war paint, but like actual like cam, like the camo shit that you guys. Yeah. But you saw how difficult that was to apply. I did. It was didn't stay. It didn't stay.

If it's summer, it just ain't happening. It's not happening. So. Let's speed this along. Let's get to the big, the big anecdotes here because we're. Are we burning? We're burning, dude. All right. Restops in New York, Connecticut around that area.

All time worst, dude. Really? Worst. Roy Rogers. Roy Rogers. Oh, yeah, but that's like, I agree. I'm with you. Chester's.

Yeah. Well, it used to just be, there's like McDonald's Wetzel's 7-11. And every McDonald's we went to. Dude, I went to a McDonald's one night. Colin, you've heard my order. It's fucking. Yeah. Double flay of fish.

No tartar. Extra tartar. No tartar. Extra size of cheese. Two cheese, two fish. That's it. We went to this one where they fucked it up twice. How did they do that?

One time had, I paid for the extra fish. I didn't have the extra fish. I would have just gotten a fucking filet and walked away. But they were like, oh, well, we make it. Then they put tartar sauce on it. Then I finally got it right. And she gave me a card for one free item. Period?

Yeah. It's in the dashboard on the band. Oh, dude. Three item. Literal golden ticket. You gotta get max out something. Yeah, you're right.

Just ball out. Go hard, dude. Oh, we got pulled over at one point for having a trailer on a parkway. I think we were on our way to Philly.

And the cop pulled us over and just yelled from next to us. It was just like, you can't have a trailer on the fucking parkway. And we're like, oh, sorry.

It was literally like stepbrother's like, that is not your toothbrush. That is not your toothbrush. Okay, I'm done anyway. And he literally said, I'm on call. I'm going to something else right now. So I'm not going to give you a ticket.

But that's why you're the only vehicle out here with a trailer and then drove away. And we just finished the drive. What were you supposed to do? Where are you supposed to go? Just supposed to know, I guess. It's not like maps have a button that say, I have a trailer. Take me somewhere else. And they really should, frankly.

They should. Apple, if you're listening. Tim Tim. Cook, please. If you're listening. A chick kissed me in Richmond, taking a picture.

It was really weird. Nothing like this has ever happened to me. Yeah. So she was like, can I get a picture with you after the show? Totally normal, whatever.

I'm a mess. I'm covered in face paint and sweat. And we do like, she does a selfie and then grab my face and kiss me. On the lips? Yeah.

That's a salt, brother. It was really weird. And like, she was with a friend. they kind of like giggled and walked away and I like thought about it. I was like, well, that was fucking. That was strange. That's sexual assault.

It was very strange. Without exaggeration. I'm not even joking. That's, you can't do that. Yeah, don't do that. If one of you did that to me, press charges. I mean, male, female, don't matter. Don't do that.

It's funny you asked about that because the next thing is. Male would be fine. My wife would forgive me, you know? She'd be like, yeah. My next note is face pain is bullshit. So it's funny that you ask. it. Big fan. Hotel pillows. Bullshit.

Dude, what has happened to hotel pillows? Every hotel pillow is this. It's a square. It's like a cube. They're all cubes now. But they lie. Because you look at it and you go, this thing is stuffed. Yeah. And then you put your head around and it goes, straight through. They're garbage, dude. The hotel pillow, something is a miss. It's falling. Something's a foot. We got to fix it. We got to fix it. It's easy.

insane. I've become a real diva too with pillows. So I need, I have to have two pillows because I sleep with my arm under one. Yeah. And then I don't like my other arm to touch a headboard. So I need two. Right. And then I put one in between my legs. So I need three pillows. And I have my seat. A leg pillow? Dude, it's crucial. My hips are screaming the next day if I don't. Yeah. Do you not tour with a pillow? I don't because they always just get disgusting. It's like, they do, but that's just part of the game. You just toss it. Yeah. You can get a $15, $20 one from Target that will hold up for one month. Exactly.

It's true. I went to Coles and got a $4 pillow yesterday. After Richmond went to Atlanta, that's a drive. And then we hit brutal traffic. So that was brutal. Saw Brody was lovely. Nice. Saw our beloved Clurp, who you know from Discord.

Atlanta? Yeah. Well, she lives outside of Atlanta. Yeah. What? Clerp, yeah. Oh, Clurp does. Yeah.

That makes more sense. Yes. Saw the foundation lads shopped at Champs store. I'm going to rob that store just for just so he knows how it feels. Un-Fucking. Is it awesome? Yeah. Yeah, it was amazing.

What was it called? Guilty party. Guilty party. In Atlanta? Yeah. All high quality. Denim, night. Red, you know, red wings, fucking Ironheart.

All the stuff. Before he was champ King of Atlanta real estate He was champ Like boot slinger denim guy Always Playing have heart sets In salvage denim guy

He's sick in the head But he knows his shit So if you're in Atlanta Go to Guilty Party I'll be there I'm gonna steal something He's just to let him know What it feels like

Yamo be there After Atlanta We had a day off to to Dallas. I have no idea what we did on that day off. Surely stopped somewhere. We worked out. Stop somewhere. But those days are just brutal days. The off day travel drive all day days? They're terrible. You do any gaming? Dude, I brought my switch. Didn't touch it. Dude, you got it. You had to get the new Mario. Mario, I know. So I saw it at Target.

And I immediately went elephant mode or whatever. And it's looking pretty good. You tried it? Yeah, I played like the demo at Target. Dude, I love Elephant Mode. It felt really good. Feels like a good game, you know? It rocks. I've been having a blast.

Okay. I was in the green room all day, Sunday at the fest. Just fucking. How long is the game? I'm probably like 10 hours in. Oh, okay. Scratch the surface, dude. Really?

It's awesome. Mario games are long. There's a lot to do. You got a favorite? You know what's crazy is I would. My old answer, was always like, you got to go back and try Mario RPG. And they just remade it.

And it just came out like two days ago. Yeah. Mario 64 was my answer for so long. But I do think that finally, Odyssey is the better game. Ah. Odyssey is a masterpiece. Ah, well done. It's better than Breath of the Wild.

It's better than Ocarina of Time. It's better than Major's Mask. It's better than Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess. You name it. That's better. Phantom Hourglass, Wind Waker. For 100%. So we got to Dallas.

Now, Texas has always been good. Yeah. And we played Dallas in a room we've never played before. It was big old bitch. It was called Studio at the factory. It's in Deep Ellum, which is like kind of, yeah, like the area. Yeah. Right by where.

Is it near Dada? I think pretty close to Dada, near where the door used to be. And quite literally on the same block as Riley's mural. So I got to go and see that. Yeah. Okay. So then that's right in that area. Got some great barbecue.

Ripped a gig. And it was. There is a sushi like hand roll place on that street across from the tattoo shop. Yes. That is fucking unbelievable. Really? Yeah. I wish I had told you that.

earlier. I'm sorry. That's okay. I'll be there in March. Yeah. So can't wait to go there. After Dallas, we did Austin. Now, here is, this is breaking news. Let's talk Austin because it's been a while. Austin in the past has been one of the worst for us, I can say. And we played there two days in a row on and every time I died. It was every time I died knocked loose us, eternal sleep. Two days in a row, 250 cap room not sold out. Wow. We played there with Soulfly wasn't too great. Whatever. I mean, we've done South by.

We've done stuff in Austin. It wasn't always that crazy. San Antonio was always the one. Fucking love San Antonio. Whoa. College just had a crazy MacBook thing go off. What was that? I think that was Zoom.

San Antonio was always the one. Fucking love San Antonio. Whoa. Dude, that was awesome. So San Antonio is always the one. There's no San Antonio show on this tour because we did Austin instead. Right. I think San Antonio Peep showed up.

We played Mohawks. It was just like a 900 cap, semi-outdoor. Big old boy. Packed the fuck out. Fuck yeah. Packed the fuck out. Wow. Incredible time.

So this is the best Harmsway tour is what you're telling. Oh, by far, dude. By far. It was incredible. It ate at Stubbs. Very good. shortly thereafter, or the next day we went to the warehouse in Houston. That was when a fateful picture was taken of Casey's base,

just Wicked Witch of the Easted underneath the 8x10. Holy that killed me. Dude, I heard it from the green room. Someone pulled a cable. We know who it was. It wasn't someone in any of the bands. Put it that way. Someone pulled a cable, knocked over a whole bass cab.

dude on to the base onto the base was it okay it was fine there's no way everything was fine there's no way it's fine though

I mean he played the rest of the tour on it there's nude it's gonna happen it's gonna happen yeah yeah you're not did you see that thing recently where somebody was talking about like one of Hepfield's guitars

and like the way he downpicks that like it was fine and then they hung it up on something and the pickups just like both snapped and half. Whoa. I could, yeah, just, whoa. Fucking dope, dude.

So after Houston, we had a day off to get to Phoenix. Phoenix, the Nile, big room. Ripping. Amazing. Amazing. Wow, dude. Had a great time. I love that little area. Dude, me too. It was awesome. People were pumped. The Nile's cool. Amazing green room. You and I just. We did a quick little ad read when I was there. Yeah.

Just had a great time. I think we ate this may have been. No, our first in and out was in Texas. And you know my policy. Normally I don't partake outside of California, but it was a really good one. It was a long tour. So I'm sure you were like, just give me the fucking, you know, I don't. I don't know how much I can, ah, forget it.

I'll skip dietary stuff. But yeah, we had in and out. It was awesome. Played Phoenix. It was awesome. The next day it was Las Vegas. Tumultuous relationship with Las Vegas. Pray tell.

Well, because we got robbed there. We used to always stay there. Couldn't do it. You know? And what's funny is from the parking lot of Eagle Erie Hall or however you say that name, you can see the sphere. Oh, dude. How dope is the sphere?

It's fucking awesome, dude. You're so far away and you can see what it's doing. Yeah. I can't make a building. but I can see that little creepy little fucker. It's the most brilliant marketing thing ever. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I can't wait to see it in person.

Yeah. So it was really cool. I guess Jive Bomb tried to go and like touch it. But it's like locked off. Like you can't you can't get close to it. And they would have been so powerful if they touched the sphere. I have to imagine the great power that it comes with that. Hefty.

It'll change you. Hefty power. I have two power. So yeah. You know, so we were in this parking lot just looking at our beloved strip and not able to go. Because like F1 was happening at the same time. So we couldn't take a lift on there. It just would have been chaos.

You couldn't go at all. We just decided not to. We went to a different off the strip casino. How was that? Pretty bad. Yeah. Not too good. Old Vegas is shot.

I forgot to say that on the Killers of the Flower Moon Day, James and I went to an MGM that was. was literally empty and only slots. No table games in the entire building. That's crazy. And we fucking killed it. You killed it? You ever play the golden spin wheel?

Yeah. Killed it. You got to do seven or ten dollar bets to get the golden. And we were. To be eligible for the golden spin. And we fucking were. And if we weren't hitting the golden spin, we were getting line pays every time.

It was amazing. We just kept. We could talk gambling right now. We could get into this if you want. Well, here's the thing. We're in, we're in Vegas. We got like six more shows. Okay.

And that's the tour. You want to do gambling and then an ad read? Yeah. You want to pause? Nah. We should do the ad read anyway, huh? Yeah, let's do the ad read right now. Oh my God.

Bo. What time is it? Tell me about having manscaped on this tour. Manscaped on this tour. I played in Manscaped undies every night. Every night. Those are a gig. Those are my gig on these?

I brought three pair with me and we did laundry along the way. Are you wearing them right now? I crop revived every day. Post set revival? Yep. It's like a cold hug. That's beautiful.

Hug by an angel. I did foot duster every night. I mean, I just, it's fucking perfect. I brought my lawnmower 4.0 with me. Nice. keep me trimmed. Dude, how many people came up to you about Manscape on the tour?

And like, you know, it's easy for us to kind of be facetious or like kind of, but like literally every other show, be like, I started using this. I fucking love it. It's like,

yeah. Yeah. I know. Literally everywhere I go, there's one person who's like, y'all got me on Manscape, man. I don't know what I'd do without now.

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Yeah, me too just now. I lost a lot of money while wearing both of them. So maybe they're a little cursed. So I got to resty. I got to keep trying. Got to buy some more. Mad Vintage is a vintage, like metal punk.

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I mean, I've said many times, 20 is where you get me. 20% off anything. Yeah. I'm buying the thing. 25, you're losing money, not buying this thing. Frankly. Okay. Now, do you want to talk about gambling? We're going to get back to the tour. Get back to the tour. Okay. I'll end this episode with my tragedy.

Yeah, it's good. Mine wasn't, I mean, you're, okay. I have a new system. I brought my, no, not for gambling. Oh. Tell me about your system. So I brought my big ass, the suitcase that I brought to England, I brought that on this tour. I brought 15 pairs of everything plus one emergency set of clothes, right? Shit myself set. Yes. You got to have a shit myself set. I essentially used it as a wardrobe.

Kept it in the trailer. And then every night after loading out, I would take my little roll, your role of shirt, undie and socks, put them away and replace it with another one. So that way going into the hotel, I just need my fucking backpack. Got my toiletries and everything in my backpack. don't need to bring in a suitcase. What do you do for the dirty set? The dirty set I put into an Eagle Creek

like vacuum roller guy, the thing, and I stuff him. And he just lives in the suitcase. I'm impressed. It worked out really, really well. Being able to be like, oh, we're at the hotel backpack. And in my case, CPAP, and that was it. Amazing.

Because, dude, that's, I mean, that's one of the things I hate about touring. waiting for people. Is the transition from waking up in van to going to hotel? And when you're me, when you're the guy driving, I'm ready to go. You're ready to go. I'm not tired. So I grab my bag.

James will have called ahead and already checked us in. I go in, give him his name. I got the room. I text the room numbers to the group chat, you know? Wow. So that's my news. You get first shower and pick and bed pick as the night driver, right? Yeah.

And typically I am the only one who showers at night. I just, I know, I'm the same. Yeah, I shower again when I wake up, honestly. Sometimes I like waking up dirty. Yeah, sometimes I do too. COVID and the pandemic seems to have ruined all food. I think fast food service, fast food quality, and hours across the board has just taken a hit.

Yeah, well, dude, I mean, Target closes at 10 p.m. That's one of the biggest changes I have noticed. like, oh, Taco Ball closed at midnight? Yeah, that's... What are we doing? What is going on? What are we doing as society? I think that and the movie theater, COVID has wrecked.

Dude. I mean, granted, we were in, what is it? It's like Meteor, Ohio or something, but like... You got lucky seeing it with nobody, because let me tell you, man. Living here, these people are animals. I see. People that go to the movies think they're in their fucking living room. Dude, tell everybody what you did during Saw

when we went to see Saw 10 the other day. And that guy was on his phone. Oh, yeah. You remember what you did? Well, dude, that was insane. He was sitting back row of the front just like this. Just like scrolling. In front of us.

Like we had like the row with the walkway between us and him. Dude, so I'm fuming, Matt. Yeah. I'm going crazy to the point where Lana's like, don't. And he turned his brightness. up. And then he turned the brightness up. And that's when I lost it.

So I walked over, just like in his fucking ass was like, hey buddy, everybody can see everything you're doing. I jump scared him as if I was fucking Billy the puppet himself.

That, the way you handle that, I'm not just trying to suck you off live on the air right now, but the way you handle that was so good because you didn't do like a hey fucker like you weren't trying to be intimidating you just hit him with a hey and it was like to work like how selfish are you so selfish you know how selfish do you have to be to do that in the movie thing that now the thing that people are doing is taking pictures when the title card hits right

it'll say the title of the movie and that people are like setting up their shot like fucking and i'm i'm getting i'm getting i'm dying out here dude we need our light to come back. Why is it my responsibility? Yes. You know? Why is a quiet movie theater my job? That was literally one of my favorite things about Arklight was like the, the usher forehead being like, hey, phones away.

I'll fuck you up. You do something. They're standing there going looking around for at least 15 minutes. Now the movie starts and they're animals. Yeah, they're animals. Elin Draft House, you can snitch on absolutely anybody. It's heaven, dude. How so?

because you can order food and drinks to your thing. But when you do it, you can write on a card like this seat is talking or texting. They get one warning and then they're out. And this is the only instance where a cop behavior is like encouraged. Because it's and it's because it's completely lawless and it's the one place in the entire world. Yeah. Where if you want to have a conversation or talk with your friends or something. Yeah.

you can't go there. Yeah. Don't go there. Like if you're on a date and you guys want to talk and flirt and stuff, go anywhere else in the world than where you currently are. And don't make it my job to fix it. Because I'm going to do it. I'm going to, I'm murderous in there now, dude, you know? Yeah.

I've saw it. For lack of a better word. I know that's a faux pa because of some things that have happened in actual movie theaters. But dude, you're not in your living room. This is a PSA. Fuck off. We come to this place for magic. So shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up. Just put your phone. Just turn it off. It's fine. That's my spiel. After Vegas, we did Los Angeles. 1720 got there bright and early. Yeah.

Saw you. saw your brother. I had a great time at the show, Bo. Did you? Thanks for having me. No problem. I loved it. Good. I'm glad. Uh, jive bomb went over great. Yep. Ingrown. It's one of the best. They did a wall of death. I think, right? What? They did a wall of death. They did the wall of death. So they only do that at particularly good show. So it's kind of the the Michelin star of the ingrown. My favorite part. So if you got the ingrown wall of death, you were lit. My favorite part about Ingrown is Ross doing the Yeha-Mash call.

Loved it. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Fleshwater obviously killed it. Fleshwater that night was one of the best sets I've ever seen. Yep. That was one of the best reactions I've ever seen a band get. Yes.

To the point where it was like United Blood Title Fight type stuff. Which is kind of, that kind of tracks, you know. Yeah. Which I think, I think that's Fleshwater's trajectory. God bless them. Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not saying that as a like a,

like obviously we're, we're playing different music than that, you know? We know who we know we are. We know what our limits are. We know where our ceilings are. Of course. The way that they sound makes that different.

You know? And like the aspects about them where who fucking knows what, happens with flesh water next. Quite literally the sky is the limit. Like yes.

They could be, they could end up in any capacity and anywhere. Deservingly so. I think it rocks. 100%. No, let's talk about Harm's Way at 1720. Oh yeah.

Incredible. It sounded amazing. Good. You had all the gimmicks, you know, like having the video wall that night. Yep. Sam,

that was when I noticed all the samples coming through right where they belonged, but in a way that made me like, where the fuck, Who's doing that? Yeah. Yeah. Not knowing that they were programmed in with the click.

New songs were lit. Old songs were lit. You busted out scrambled at the end. Sure did. I watched from front of house for the whole second half of the set just to feel it. I noticed you leave. And you know, there's that moment when you're playing and you're like, oh, like, oh, they left. So I was in the back on.

Yeah. It's good. Which. And then like obviously there's there it's got to be funny for people who listen to the show to like see me watching harm's way to an extent. You know? Yeah. It's like, oh, that's the guy. And then that's the guy.

Yeah. Right. He's on stage and he's out here. Yeah. So there were people talking to me like trying to say like McDonald's stuff to me like while I'm watching harm's way. That was the one time where I was like shut the fuck. Yeah. That was cool.

Yeah. That was a great. That was a stressful day. You know, like the big ones. fucking Brooklyn, L.A., Gilman, Chicago. Those are the stressful ones. I was freaking out about both of those shows. Yeah, there's friends.

Yeah, and less we forget, you played the next night. The next night. So we then played, we went to San Diego and played brick by brick, sold out, fucking dope. Nice. You. 21 and up. Guys, this is, yeah, 21 and up. So how was your set versus Bloodwater?

this is the power of California for everyone outside of California who doesn't know. Twitching Tongues played 1720. We played two and a half hours south. Yeah. And had played the night before on Thursday?

Friday. Thursday. Yours was Thursday. Thursday night. And then we played San Diego and like all these shows are packed sold out doing fucking amazing. That's the power of Southern California. Yeah.

And that's, but that's like that's a different world. It's literally. It's its own country. I haven't been there in years. Yeah. It was fucking awesome. I would love to.

It was awesome. Brick by brick rocks. I guess it's two of the guys from something. Perfect. Not anti-flag. No, no, no,

like a punk band. Oh, fuck. Somebody explained it to me and I forget, but it's like a cool, it's cool. Like punk dudes own it. Cool.

So it's dope. And then, uh, we started the drive, baby. And we got to 9-2-4 Gilman. Did you? Let me send a minute.

So after when we played 1720, that the crazy fire that burned down part of the 10. Yeah. Happened right as we finished playing. We drove past it. Okay. So that, that like affected your drive?

It didn't affect the drive because we kind of, you know, I don't know the highways very well, but as we're going, we kind of went around it. I can only describe it as eastward according to Google Maps or Apple Maps. Sure.

But I literally at one point, James and I were both up and in the break of buildings in like palm trees saw a towering inferno. Oh dude, I drove through I saw literal backdrop. The video is insane. It's insane.

It's insane. It's one of the most surreal things I've ever seen in person. Could you feel the heat? The car was like, yeah. Dude, it literally felt like in universal when it gets hot.

To be like, look, it's hot in there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It felt fake where it felt like it was like dangerous to be anywhere near. Yes. Um, so that's crazy. Is 1720 okay? Because when I saw you, we didn't know. I don't know, dude. Because it's right there. And it started like somebody set that fire.

Yeah. In like a little warehouse thing nearby. And I said that tons of the other warehouses and storage things caught fire, which could be 1720. Holy shit. Hopefully not. Which that would be like that was my first time playing there not as an opener ever. Yeah. Never played there. I've only, I've only, I've only, I've only. open shows. So that was like that being our show. Please talk about your set. Talk about that show. Probably best hometown show ever.

Yeah. Yeah. There's never really been one like that in L.A. where it was like people there to see us. Yeah. It was always, there was one in Pomona that was very special. But that was, that felt different. It felt kind of

like a big culmination. even more so than Santa Fury because it was like, Santa Fury, Sanof Fury. It's going to be good no matter what. Yep. This one was like, this was ours. Fuck yeah.

This was the test. If I was going into it thinking like, if this is bad, I'm willing to be done, you know? I love the fact, and I promise, even though this might sound selfish, it's very selfless that we both had.

That was our best show, you know? Yeah. Day before. I just love, like, that's awesome. It's fucking cool. It's amazing. It's really cool. I'm pissed that I missed your Halloween thing. I'm pissed that I miss the 1720 show. I will be there at the next Halloween thing, so help me gad.

However, we both headed northward. Sure, we sure did. And we played 924 Gilman, the most punk punk. that was a special one that was a special one um do you set it during your set you've said it before but like the bay area embraced you guys first the bay area when it when it comes to california i would say the bay area

embraced harms way first as well they just they get different they understand different and out of the box more so than anybody yeah um and there's like a lot of scenes have a whole the perception of like what is cool and what isn't cool is so important to them. Of course. And I think the Bay historically, people that go to the shows in the Bay look at music so objectively, you know? Wow.

Like the subjectivity that comes from other places in the country does not affect them. Like this harmony popped so hard in the Bay, you know? It's amazing. So that where that was day one of that tour. So we were like, this is going to rock. We're set. Right. And then it was like, oh, nowhere else.

Like that's. So I felt very good. Felt very good. And then you like playing it with you guys. That felt that felt right. And dude. Cruelty. Thank God.

Their set at Gilman was like truly I felt lucky. Yeah. I felt like I was seeing something cool and special. Anthony on front of house. Woo. Big tone. He's hired. Dude.

Straight. up. We talked to him too. We said it. You're like, hey, because he knows, you know, and he gets it. And him, him knowing, like a front house person that knows the songs. Yeah. And like knows where to put the delay. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

those were to add a slap, slap the, snare, slap some verb on the snare bomb. Yeah. Something I should talk about is I was using the quad cortex for this whole thing, running James vocal processing through it. So if you noticed any of those nights where there's, delay on James vocals or during Terrorizer, there's like an octaviser distortion thing. That's all me.

You were doing that live? The whole time. If only I had, yeah. Yep. Everybody in, like, my bands are so analog. They're using the solid state digital stuff now. That's the first step. Adding another element, they're all like,

dude, come on. I got, I finally got Nick. By the end of this tour, Nick was like, hey, will you send that email to the neural guy? because I'd like that. What was he? He's using a 6505. Oh.

Nick is another, Nick is similar. Taylor, I think, honestly, your brother gets some of the best guitar tones I've ever heard, live and recorded.

Nick is also very, very good at that. He can look at an amp and go, oh, it needs more of this. And not just like twiddling until it's right.

He knows what it needs. And that's very impressive. Yeah, it is. It is a solvable. Every single amp is a solvable puzzle. Yeah. Oh yeah. It doesn't have to feed back. Yeah. You know, if you're watching this and your amp is feeding back, there's a solution. There's a solution. If you don't want it can feedback, you can stop it. Yeah.

You can stop it. But that show rocked. Play with you guys was beautiful. It was. I got the, the experience that I wanted from the twitching tongue sound infuri set. I got it, Gilman. Because of the intimate, just the, yeah, being able to. Just being able to enjoy myself and dive and see. along and just have fun. I did one of the worst dives in my entire life.

I didn't see any, you do any bad dives. I thought you were killing. I sent it to Alec. I didn't, I don't know why I didn't send it to you, but someone's story got it. Like the moment is during last caress.

I dove and like people just stopped me. So I just like froze in midair in front of Alec and Sean and then just fell on the stage. And you see in the videos, you see Alex laugh and then look at you to see if you saw it too because it was so fucked. Did I miss it? Yeah, you missed it. You missed.

Oh, man. If you have that video. Yeah. If you have that, please. Dude, before, before. So I normally have to warm up like the whole band before us, you know? Yeah. Which was us.

So the, yeah, which was you. I wasn't going to miss Harmer's Wayset. So between while you were playing. Yeah. I had an AirPod in going. Hmm. Amazing. I wasn't missing it.

That's amazing. And you. sounding great. Dude, the in-ears game-changer for you. I can tell. I can fucking tell. It's night and day.

It's night and day. I can tell. You just, how can you control your voice if you can't hear it? Of course. Of course. I don't know why I didn't do it a long time.

Well, they're expensive. That's why I didn't do it a long time ago. But yeah, it 100% changed the way that I can perform. But also, oh, and you know,

it's shocking that I could still sing that day because that was my first time doing back-to-back shows since summer 2018. Amazing. Wow. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. So that was good. We said goodbye. We had Eastward. We played Sacramento at gold, gold trade, gold post. How was that? Goldfield trading post. Because Berkeley and Sacramento, you would think would be oxymoronic to do, but I guess not. It was fucking awesome. It was awesome. It was awesome. Awesome. It felt great.

People came out. We ate at a Mexican spot next door. That was fucking dope. They did not have Chiro Cheesecake, which is a bummer. But they advertised it, but they didn't have it. It was really good. Video wall. Stage sound was dope.

It was like a wide, you know, like a wide room as opposed to like a long room. Like the high hat? Almost identical to the high hat. almost identical. But it felt good. It's just like a pro venue, you know? So there's like, I think there was a barricades. That was a little weird.

But yeah, it was good. It felt great. And it was a good way to like close out California, you know? Yeah. And then fuck, man. Then we had, I believe then we had a day off. Yep. To get to Salt Lake.

Salt Lake was at the beehive. And again, it was another day off. I played there before. It was dog shit. Yeah. So it was another one of the, another day off where, you know, shit just, you know, you just drive all day and you drive into the sun. Oh, no, wait. What am I talking about? After Sacramento, the whole tour stayed at the Golden Nugget in Reno. Oh. Us and, Austin, Fleshwater Parker trailers literally ass to ass and like made it and like put the locks on. So, you know, praying that no one rocks again. We, dude, Colin, you're going to love this. We get to the front desk and I say, hey, you know, it's, it's too. o'clock in the morning. We say, hey, we're checking in, blah, blah. She says, oh, our systems are down. I can't check you in for an hour. But you can bring all of your bags to that bag check and the casinos open. And we said, no problem. No problem, miss lady. We all, everyone checks their

bag. Everyone hits the fucking the casino. I want a quick 200 bucks on Huff and Puff. Swiftly lost it. I don't want to hear about Huff and Puff. Yeah. I'll, we'll, get there. But the whole, that was one of those things were the whole tour. Every band. Yeah, that's amazing. And rooms, now here's the thing. Something that's changed about a golden nugget. Rooms were $18 for the cheap rooms. The more expensive ones were like 30. But they tack on a resort fee now. Yeah, resort fees are per room. But that wasn't back in the day. That wasn't the case. Dude, I wish you told me you were staying in Reno. The, the GSR is the place to go. What's the GSR.

Brother. It's unbelievable. It's something resort. It's a brand new casino. It opened a couple years ago. It's off the strip. Oh, even better. So it's like crazy safe.

Fuck. It's fucking massive. It's got all the best games. The best winning odds I've had there. Really? It rocks, dude. Okay. So next time, Reno, if you're listening, shout out the GSR.

Dude, Reno is, I love Reno. It's a little. It's the biggest little city. It's straight up. So we had a great time. Everybody slept. Woke up the next day. Did you eat in Reno?

What did we eat? No. Dude, you got it. See, you got it. You got to hit. We got there at 2 a.m.

I'm post-Rena. We got there at 2 a.m. But didn't you stay there? You woke up. We woke up and then had to get an oil change and then leave. Oh, my God. Hold on.

State biscuits. Oh. Fuck. I love a biscuit. It's the, it's the one. I'm telling. telling you. It's the one. I got to bury James

a little bit. I skipped this part. In Dallas, we're going to our hotel. We'd like to back the trailer against like a retaining wall or something so that you can't, you know. Yeah. And we got the bigger trailer now, the two axle trailer,

which is, I think, the way that it attaches and stuff and it's carrying more weight. I think it's going to be more difficult to like lift and steal. Well, you pop a tire, you're still going, right? There's that also. but James drove from the in and out

the good in and out that we had in Dallas to this hotel and he misread a parking situation he tried to pull through and then turn a 90 degree now the thing about the double axle trailer if you're backing up or turning it's much slower than the single axle which is good because it'll kick less if you're backing up single axle if you turn that wheel a little bit

it can like wha and you'll just lose them Double axle is way slower and much more forgiving, but that also means it's slower turning. He got himself stuck. We got into a real pickle. And basically the only thing we could do was thank God we had a jack from Fleshwater because we had to get a oil change. Who's Jack? So we jacked up that trailer. You jacked off Fleshwater?

We jacked off Fleshwater. Jacked up the trailer, moved the van, and then we were going to reattach the trailer and pull it through, right? it's jacked falls oh no sickening thud just dude just the loudest

and James was like right there and kind of instinctively grabbed the trailer could have killed him could have broken everything but like it was just like instinct he was fine um

scariest moment and then it was like well even though we just played a show where we unloaded and then loaded the trailer we have to unload this trailer in the parking lot at 2 a.m. to physically

like this. Yeah because we could Because we couldn't lift it up. We didn't want to jack it up again. No, you'll die. Exactly. So we unloaded the whole trailer, moved it. And it also, it turns much slower with two wheels.

So carrying it is even worse. Yeah. Put it back on, repositioned, reloaded. I reparked it. And that was the night. Just had to, I had to bury James a little bit. Anyway, flashback forward.

Salt Lake. It's our combined show with Angel Dust and the Angel Dust tour. Oh. Mary Jane, Bobo. Candy Angel Dust was combining with our Oh, that's awesome. Making a big good joint thing. Angel Dust, justice.

He's injured from the show in Chicago, apparently on that tour, hurt his foot or ankle, got brutal. I want to call it food poisoning. I don't know for sure. Saw him briefly. He was looking rough. I say respectively.

I saw him for 30 seconds and said, dude, the last place I would want to be, is that a show? while I'm puking and shitting, if that's what's going on. And he went to a hotel and relaxed, and they did not play, unfortunately. Oh. Candy played and we played.

And it was, you know, it was one of those things where it's a, it's a room that's full. Yeah. And they're scary mosher's. And that was the set. Oh. Yeah. So it was.

I love those. So, yeah. That, you know how it is when you, drive all day and you're strung out from the road and you load in and you play and boy oh boy it was just uh oh this is also when i hurt myself because during our off day us in fleshwater stayed the same hotel we went into a hot tub um i wore my boots to the hot tub because i don't like walking around barefoot in a hotel but i didn't have any other shoes with me so i just i was like oh fuck it i'll wear my mock toes just from the room to the hot tub.

Sure. You know, I get there and because my foot had gotten clammy, I'm pulling off this boot. I pulled something in my foot. And the whole next day couldn't walk right. Really? Swear to God. And you're good now?

Fine. I was fine the following day, but the salt like that. So it wasn't foot syphilis. It was not. Thank you, Bruce. It was not foot syphilis. I pulled something to my foot, taking off a goddamn boot.

This is getting. older. But then the next day we have Denver. And this was the highlight of the tour for me personally. That's crazy. The surprising Denver. Good job, Denver. Surprising set. It was just like a tiered theater kind of place. So like it looked good. Uh-huh. Because it was packed. And like the little like the, the, you know, the band, the orchestra pit was where the pit was. And there's people constantly stage diving, constantly singing along. Wait, what is this place called? It is called Bluebird theater in Denver. I don't know where we played, but I don't

think it was there. Probably Marquis Theater. Yeah. So this is just a different one. Amazing. Oh, also, Salt Lake, shout out to the Beehive. That's where the loaders started setting up shit, starting tearing down shit. I wanted to tip them.

I don't have the money for that, but I wanted to tip them. Denver was unbelievable. This is where a gal went to stage dive, got caught in between songs and I kind of gave her the like well go ahead kind of a thing she's wearing his skirt she turned around and flashed the whole show her whole ass and then dove on purpose yeah fuck yeah in purpose in between songs it was unbelievable she was waiting for that moment her whole life hey she killed

like all right they're done i better get up there the whole room cheered so she killed it scary dives big tall stage people diving like head first wow which is wild but it would fucking rift that was like a demanded core like a one more song kind of night where it's like oh we got to play another song fucking ripped it ripped it's free that's awesome it was a lot of fun I love to hear that and then we love to hear that the following day following when we love to hear that the following day we would love to see that jackie we would love to see that his name is lee god damn it then the following day was mine and john from fleshwater's birthday happy belated to bow on Bowen Luters and John LaBoey.

John LeBowen. We're in Kansas City, Missouri. Had a great show. We ordered Cheesecake Factory for the entire tour as a birthday. And end of tour. Did you do the chicken gimmick for absolutely everyone? No, not for everyone. But we ordered, James was like,

so we need five for the band. But I think only me and James got it, I think. No, James got the hot honey chicken. I don't know. I got the birthday celebration cheesecake. It rocked. That's a good one. I'm a banana guy normally,

but I thought, you know what? Nick got the filet mignon. What? Yeah, Nick bawled out. But yeah, the whole band ate Jibam

had a couple of vegans. They were happy to get the vegan cob salad. Bless them. Because I know that's not that exciting. But bless them. They were good sports. And it was our last night together as the tour

because they didn't play the Chicago show. They played with you. right so that was the show it was fucking ripped we drove overnight got home i drove five hours overnight from kansas city straight towards james house and then we got a lift from james house into the city here i am had a day off on that friday that's why we did it got to a little recharge we calibrate smart saturday was the biggest hometown headliner harmsway's ever done at our beloved Metro Cabaret in Chicago. I was there.

Loved it. That's right. Tell me about your experience seeing the show. I was there, dude. It was awesome. Didn't see any of the other bands. But the Arroy set.

Taysu friend of the show just sent me a picture of you playing. Yeah. And I was like, oh shit, fuck yeah. Because I was already like, damn, wish I was there. Totally. Yeah, totally.

For this is the big one. the big one. And she immediately FaceTimed me. I watched the entire thing. That was a very pleasant You know what's funny is when I turned around and saw you, it was like Ty, Hunter, Taylor and then Taylor's tie.

All were like pointing at the phone and it was like a pitch black. Like all I could see is like your fucking goatee. Like of course I see him. But it was funny and it was that was a lot of fun. That was really stressful just the whole day because it's like

we did the song with King Woman that went over really well. She killed it. That was awesome. It was awesome. I was there. I saw it. He saw it. Mom was there. Friends and fam were there. My barista Miles was there. Wow. Everyone's there. So it was just like pretty stressful. Collectivo came out to the show. Straight up. Dude. Shout out collectivo. Call me collectivo because I had a great time. And, you know, it was just stressful. Lots of friends, lots of things to do. Shout out. Collectivo. Call me collectivo. Because I had a great time. And, you know, it was just stressful. Lots of friends. Lots of things to do. Shout out to our friend Ty, Ty Wynne for helping out with merch and helping out James. He came in clutch. Weekend nachos played. That was really special.

I got to watch them for like 15 minutes before I had to start getting ready. All at war played. It was fucking awesome. Tell me about the barricade. The barricade. So I don't, obviously, I don't want to get into too much details. But apparently that's got to have been devastated. There's an ongoing thing where the barricade simply had to happen.

there was no way around it. And shout out to our friend Pete. I don't know if Pete listens, but Pete used to work at the Metro. He no longer does, but he helped us out a lot with this show. We had to get a bunch of people into this show because it's a hometown show. You got family. James family was there. Chris's family was there.

My family was there. It's a whole fucking thing. Barricade just had to happen. There was no way around it. It was unfortunate. What are you going to do? You know, it's a real-ass venue and they can't close. We can't lose them.

Metro. It's the one. Yeah. It's the one. It's what you got. It's what we got. So, you know, it was, it was truly a perfect cherry on top of our best tour ever, our best home time show ever, our best tour ever. It felt really good. The next day we did an audio tree thing, again, with King Woman and with another. Oh, awesome. How was that? It was fucking amazing, dude. So, you know, I don't know a whole lot about cameras. I don't know whole lot about that end of production of lighting and rigors and fucking gaffers and all this shit. I don't, I'm not to,

this was like a squad of like 10 people with the camera gimmick where it's like on the thing above him. Who is funding that? Audio tree. How? It was crazy. We were in. Are they Live Nation backed? I have no idea. We're at

Bohemian National Cemetery near Skokie in Illinois, near Chicago. And it was this creepy ass old building. There was a hearse downstairs. It smelled like formaldehyde. There's ashes all around us. It was a Mason temple.

It was a whole thing. It was wild. And it was very, very pro. And, you know, it's the kind of thing where it's like you do, you do it one take. Oh.

That's the show. You do one take. So if you fuck up, you start over. So you did do one take. Oh yeah. I think some bands have done multiple. I mean,

it took us a few tries each song, but yeah, we did it. Yeah. One whole take. and Kingwoman, Chris. She did a great job. She's a trooper.

She fucking rocks. She's a gangster. And then we drove from Skokie, got Dave's hot chicken. Delicious. Drove straight to our practice space. So Dave's hot. Dave's is in Chicago now.

Yeah, there's one near me, actually, not too far. And drove to the practice space and loaded out. And that was that? Three flights of fucking stairs. It's the worst part of any tour. What?

Do you guys have another tour booked right now? that you haven't announced? Yeah. Okay. But we got time. You got time. We got some time. That's awesome.

That was the common suffering tour. And it was fucking awesome. Had a great time. It was really difficult. It was physically very challenging. My back was really fucked. I got a foam roller in Phoenix. That was a game changer.

That'll do it. It helped me so fucking much. Yeah. Wow. So best tour, best Parm's Way tour ever. If you just saw arms way, you just saw the best one. Easily.

And I'm sorry if I'm skipping things, if I'm forgetting things. Let me check my notes, things before we move on to Tulsa because I want to know. Face pain, COVID, West Coast. All I was West Coast is bullshit. Oh, I'm taking a stand. I'm on loves over Buckees. Buckies is a gimmick. It's fine.

It's a novelty. I enjoy it. What is the argument? I just, I'm kind of doing a bit where I think we're giving too much. much to that rat beaver. Okay. He's new money. But he has so much more.

He has so much more. But where? Loves is always there for you. Loves is, loves his family. Loves is literally family. I'm full on team loves. Dude,

I was walking out of a Bucky's and I don't know if you've been recently, but there's signs that say like, hey, work here and you can make this much for this position, this much for a line cook, this much for a manager, whatever. Some of them are like, like one of them is like 30 bucks an hour for a line cook. in Texas. I'm walking out with a guy and I was like,

hey man, is that real? And he was like, man, all I know is I work in the food prep and I get 800 bucks every week. After taxes in Texas. That's amazing.

So rock on buckies, frankly, but everything's bigger there, dude, big time. Loader's of the MVP. Yep. Hurt myself taking off a boot.

Yep. Denver was the best. Yep. Chick flashed ass was my last note. So that's, that was my experience of, of the tour. I had a really good time. It was really physically difficult. I think all of us kind of went, oh, yeah. Oh, shit.

This is not like easy. It's a young man's. But it's, but it's, what's funny is it's not easier and it's easier than ever. You know? But I've done them both. Yeah. I've done young and, and fucking grifting. I've done it mid.

I've done it 30s and doing okay and I've done it older and doing well. Right. And it's been equally as difficult the whole time, straight up. But the mental game is different when the show is sold out. Oh, my God, is it? Because that, that's, that to me is the,

is like the hardest part about Torin. Yes. Is, and I know that this is maybe more specific to twitching tongues just because of the way we sound that like historically A, no city is the same twice especially record to record, you know?

B, no tour is the same twice because how can it be with just no performance is the same twice because there's so many variables. I'm not knowing what the show is going to be like until the second we start playing is the worst part. Is like I can't do it.

this anymore because like even 1720 LA where however many tickets were sold and it was like hey this is your show you're doing it it's it's for you guys the uncertainty going into that was enough to be like if this isn't good I'm comfortable never playing a show again wow so that's doing a sold out a mostly sold out US tour good job man yeah I mean dude It's amazing. It's amazing. Oh, yeah. It feels great.

There's other little things, dude, just forgetting about like waiting for people. Just like, just waiting for you to get out of the van. Oh, I mean, like, so we did an Airbnb in Tulsa. Yeah, I'll start for the top. Yeah, let's, let's, okay. So we finished on our, on the metro weekend. Yeah.

God's hate and twitching tongues were in Tulsa doing flyover fest. Flyover Fest. Take it away. started at the airport with a classic kaleism. Oh. And I just want to tell you about it real quick before we move on. Because kale, kale got his hearing checked recently.

Okay. And he has the hearing of an 82 year old man. Okay. So kale's ordering McDonald's at the airport. And he looks straight at the board, right? He looks at the board. There's about five things on there because it's an airport McDonald's. Sure.

He looks at the number five, 10 piece nuggets. Looks down at the guy, says, can I get a number 10 and the guy goes do you mean the number five the 10 peaks nuggets and kale's like yeah I'm sorry man

and the guy says what size kale goes with fries yeah this is in L.A. This is no this is in a layover somewhere I don't know somewhere crazy

and then kale this one was not a hearing thing this is just kale's mind where the guy is like do you want ketchup and kale like does a deep sigh and goes, lot of barbecue.

Oh yeah. Because I don't know if you remember this. I do. His favorite food is barbecue sauce. Cale's death row meal answer without hesitation was simply barbecue sauce. Blessing. No, nothing with it. So arriving in Tulsa, we got an Airbnb together.

How's that? Why Airbnb over a hotel? Just cheaper? Because I think we, there was a day off. Yeah. In between. So, Twitching Tongues

Headline Friday God said at Headline Sunday. Saturday was like a day off. We haven't had one of those in a long time. Mm-hmm. Together.

Mm-hmm. So I think the idea of us just being in one place sounded fun. Fuck yeah. You know? And it was. But like,

yeah, sharing our bathroom is insane. It sucks. It's the worst. Anyway. It's the worst. So Friday. the longest fucking day ever.

But from the writ, we got there at like 10 a.m. The first band had a great reaction. Really? First one. Tulsa. In Tulsa, dude. What's happening? You know?

Yeah, yeah. I never even been there, let alone played there. And now it's got a fest that's a couple years in. And there were some sets that were like, Damn, this is good by any metric. Nice. So that was really cool. Strong.

Part way through that day, Alec and I were like, listen, we've been here for hours. And we don't play for hours. Osage Casino is six minutes away. Drive or walk? Yeah. Drive. Walk, I'd be fucked. You rent to the car?

We had a little minivan. Nice. Tiniest van you ever saw it. So Alec and I went to Osage, pulled out $500, which is my daily withdrawal limit. Right. I believe you've mentioned that before. Dude. Seconds this time.

What'd you play? Huff and Puff. What denomination? 10 cent denoum. Alternating $5 and $10 bets. I swear to God it was under a minute. It was unbelievable. But again, I just saw Killers with Flower Moon.

I'm not mad. Was it more Puff? It was more Puff. You got to get that spin. I needed the spend. I just saw those fly moon. I'm not mad. The Osage,

take my money, you know. You deserve it. Okay? Played the show that night. I got out of it as fast, as quickly as I could. You went back after midnight.

This ain't it. The same time. You went back after midnight, didn't you? Played the set. Set was awesome. Yeah. Dude, iconic moment

with stage dive Jesus. Yeah, that was really cool. Did you mean to do that? Yeah, I saw his hand. I was like, I'm hitting that hand. I'm slapping the fucking out of hand. Yeah. Wow.

I got him, dude. Chase met him in Dallas. He came to the show. Legend. Mosh legend. I think he's like one of the legendary modern Mosh guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People will years from now aspire to be on his level.

Mosh watch. He commits to the dive. I'll tell you what. I've seen several from flyover. Lord does he. Yeah. And that's like, that's, that was my chosen dive style until one day it was like, listen, I can't keep not getting caught. You know, I can't do this anymore.

I mean, it hurts to not, it really hurts to land full body on the floor. You ever see a friend just eat floor? Dude, Gavin from Ingrown, the video from Santa Cruz, where he just disappears. Where he disappears. Dude. It's one of the funniest things ever. You ever been tubing like on a lake, you know? Are you talking about when somebody gets sucked through the tube?

Just, just somebody just gets wrecked on a tube. When that happens, I laugh like a fucking hyena. And it's a similar, seeing a friend eat shit in a dive is a similar response in me where I'm just giggling. Like I can't help it. It's way funnier when you're farther away. Yes. Because you got to look there. He goes, oh.

Oh my God. Yeah, that's good. But I think Chase was okay, diving. It looked like that set was It felt very affirming, you know? Good. It was like headlining FS in a city I've never played before. Yeah.

And it was like a thoroughly good show. So I want, you know, I asked you this off camera, but I wanted to ask you while we were recording is like, do you feel like, yeah, fuckers? Now you get it. in a sense because it's like those songs songs were there the whole time

you know right right right but I'm saying like yes I'm saying it's but we've been the same band the whole time you know so it's like it's the people who were who were wrong but obviously it like it just changed perception and opinions

change per generation you know and then stigmas change Not Vinny's stigmas, but No, he never changed. Of like, what the people around you think is cool is so important for a little bit. It really is. And then down the road, you go,

I don't give a fuck, this shit rocks. Yes. So maybe just at this point, the perception is that we rock. So that could change in any moment. Hey. Could change in any moment. I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.

I took entire tours for granted. I took years of twitching tongues for granted. So now every time, every single time we play is like a gift. Good. That's beautiful. And because I thought that I had gotten, I thought that we had collectively gotten everything we'd ever wanted out of it. You know?

Yeah. It was like, we did that. We don't need to do it. Wow. And now I'm getting these new things every single time. Nice. You know, and like people are younger people. or people who are slightly under my age,

or just now, like, telling me like, hey, I've been listening to this my whole life, basically. Is like, that's what I said about all the bands that I like. So I can't really fathom. Right. Being that for somebody else. But it's good. Anyway, yeah.

So that was awesome. Went back to the casino after midnight. Went to Waffle House. Oh. Dude, we had some bangers of Waffle House on this story. Yeah, dude. So what was, this one was really funny because the staff, the jukebox was broken. Okay.

So the staff had like an ox cord going with a little like, like one of them iPod shuffles you forgot existed. The stick one or the rectangle one? The little blue rectangle with a little clip on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly the one. And dude, check this out.

Return of the Mac comes on. It's like, oh, iPod dies. And there was like the whole. place was like, no. Yes. It was tragic. Dude, real quick, we went to a Woff House one day. It was a girl's second day.

Our server was their second day. Brutal. She got every order wrong. Everything was wrong. Which, again, I don't know how they get it right in the first place. So I'm really, I'm not going to. Yeah. But Chris always orders the same thing.

It's the two egg breakfast. I know exactly what he gets. You know, wants his eggs over hard. I know exactly what he was. Over hard? Yes. He wants some fuckers cooked. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Or maybe not. Either way. Yeah, because he doesn't like him running. He doesn't like him running. Yeah, maybe over medium, but he's getting him over hard, you know. But he said like, oh, I ordered this. So it should come with this.

And the server who was just like, no, no, it doesn't do that. And it just absolutely did. And it just, it's one of those moments. It's just, you're just, that's awesome. Go on. I went back after midnight. A new daily withdrawal limit.

$500 daily withdrawal limit. This one lasted to me probably 15 minutes. Okay. Same game. So now, so now Friday night, down $1,000. Oh my God.

Are you going to bleep the amounts out? No. I want people to know the perils because I've, I'm encouraging people to gamble. I have the responsibility to let you know. Hey. And obviously, play within your means, you know?

Yes. You have to play within your means. Oh, I will say, I skipped this in mine as well. You want a big fucking scratcher. Tell me about it. In Texas, they infamously had a $50 scratch off. Now they have a $100 scratch off. Oh, shit.

James and I saw this, and we lost our minds. We bought one. I can hear it. $100. Oh. Bought one, we won $350. Wow. Bought another one, we won $150.

We bought a third one leaving and won $500. Wow. All three in a row. And a loves somewhere outside of like San Antonio. Wow. So I had that in cash. I had some like per die-out money in cash. Went to Vegas with a,

$1,100 in cash. Left Vegas with $0.0. Okay. Actually, I should say left by the time Reno came around, left was zero. Yeah. So tour wise, I'm down. Okay. That was my end game for the tour.

Let me tell you something. Yep. That was your Friday. Of the word down. That was your Friday. That was Friday night. So the thing is, you've seen it. Yeah, yeah.

Thousand down. know I can get back. Dude, what I saw you do at the Louisville Cesar's was pretty amazing. And I, and that's, it's so much worse now that I know that that's possible. Because it's like, oh, down 2,500. I've done that once. So now I feel bulletproof, you know?

Yeah. Down a thousand. And listen, don't make, don't let this fool you into thinking me being like, $1,000 is nothing to me. Thousand dollars a lot. It hurts. She stings. It hurts.

I could have done a lot with that. But this man plays to win. So he's playing. I play to win. Yeah. Yeah. And that's to me, I know I've gambled long enough where I know that that's part of it.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. You rarely show up and just win. I've only done that once and it was amazing. Unbelievable. I've done it twice with you. You have.

Yeah. And I'm getting there, Bo. Okay. Because a certain game. Fucked me. Oh, no. Hang on. Day two is day off, right?

Yeah. I'm sick of the 500. I already used my Saturday daily withdrawal. Yeah. So I got to go to Chase now. At Chase, I don't have a limit. Hold me now. So I pull out double what I normally pull out, right?

Okay. I make a funny little video just to be like, I'm down a little bit of money, but I got to go to the bank. This is the day. I'm like today's the day. Yeah. It's easy now. I've won $1,000.

I've won $1,000 in single spins. Right. 10 times. Right. Yeah. So it's like, this isn't easy, but it's 100% possible. 100%? 100% do it.

Absolutely. Hondo P. And leaving a casino at zero at like even. Yeah, you like that. It's one of the greatest wins a man can have. Because it means I got to have all that fun for free. It's true. And it ain't a.

about it like and this is the thing that we figured out like Alec was playing craps all weekend really I won't say how he did okay um the the climb is what's fun you know yeah the win feels good but if you win too early you're just going to spend it dude if you walk in and win 500 bucks you're kind of like ah well I wanted to play so I guess I got to spend this yes I know but you're down seven hundred dollars you hit a thousand yeah You're keeping that 300 because you're like, I got to. I got to get out of here. I got to get the fuck.

So Saturday, we go, first we go to Hard Rock. No, no. We go to River Spirit Casino. Because we went, we did Osage, Hard Rock, River Spirit. Now we're at River Spirit Saturday. We're ready. You know, we had, what do we have for lunch? Barbecue.

Oak Hart Barbecue. Oh, I saw you. Yeah. Co-owned by, I guess. some people from the agony scene. Okay. It was incredible. Really?

Got the Mac Daddy sandwich, unbelievable. River Spirit Casino. This one has got it all. They got every game under the sun. Love it. Love it. So Mac is with us.

My old Mac Miller, Singer of Cosmic Joke. He's doing merch for both of us. So I get him, you know, I'm showing him Kronos. I've showed him the glory of Kronos. I like Kronos.

Yeah. He's addicted to filling that first real. Let me tell you. He's doing it. right. He has a pretty good run on Mula, on Planet Mula. Oh, yeah. Love that game. I don't do so good.

This one, this $1,000 I pulled out for Saturday. 30 minutes or so, it's gone. Oh. And this is when what do you play on? This is when I'm thinking. What do you plan? Would you lose that on?

A lot of a lot of huff and puff, you know? Because at some point, when you're, when you're doing like incremental wins or incremental losses on like whatever games. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. That's when I'm like, I got to just put a lot into one game.

Into one game and spin until I get this bonus. I'm with you. Dude, have you noticed that in Huff and More Puff? If you get three hats on the first line, you're never getting it. It's never happening. That's called being slot blocked. Oh, got it.

Noted. That's fake. Also getting like hat, hat, hat, bussaw, bus saw. And then that's it. Dude, I lose my mind. Five hats and two buzz saws. I'm jumping out the window. Okay. Go on.

Anyway. So at this point, I'm down $2,000. We see the marvels at AMC hereby. You said you had a good time. After that. Had a great time. Okay. We went in thinking like this is going to be dog.

Of course. You know? Yeah, of course you do. We've lost faith in the MCU. Every single one of us had a great time. Okay. We're laughing the whole time and the movie ends and we all look at each other and go, it's pretty good.

It's pretty good. So the Marvels is pretty good. That's the consensus. They've made much worse movies. Eternal's dog shit. Quantum mania, dog shit. Really? Wow.

Okay. Pretty much everything from Dr. Strange Multiverse Madness, dog shit. Anyways. Saturday, what do we do? Went back to the hard rock. After the movie? yeah we ate dinner we got water burger yeah oh we watched full gear oh how was that we watched full gear at the rbnb i was unable to watch i was that was the metro it was a good it was a good show

nates brodie's match was amazing um we was watching that definitely in awe of him having to play the next day wrap that up went back to the hard rock i don't i think i so that was when i asked Matt, I was like, Matt, can I, can I sell you like a hundred bucks? You give you like a hundred bucks? And I played that for like two hours. Really? Okay. Yeah, I got some nice little incremental wins.

Love that. I was up like, not up, but I was back like six or seven hundred dollars at one point. Huff and Morpuffs, though? Various things. Okay. Like some like little lightning links and stuff, you know. Yeah. Dancing drums.

Oh. You know what's, you know what's? always good as the little shop of horrors game you've mentioned that before and i've never seen it oh dude it's everywhere you don't really win but you can pretty much break even every time is the gimmick of these games where there's bonuses like you're never really winning but you're getting bonuses and that pavlovian kind of dopamine response is making people gamble more kind of yeah a lot of the the license like movie games and stuff like shows don't won't pay out as much. Yeah. And then we saw,

because they cost more just to exist. And then we, James and I were somewhere and we saw someone on like the Game of Thrones game make like $8,000. Oh. See, it's rare. What the fuck? Yeah. Like the Dune game. Yeah. Oh, God, I would love. Doan one is awesome.

Yeah. Sunday rolls around. God say it plays that night. And you're a stress free at this point because you're not singing. Not singing. Drumming is easy, but I got a lot of game. I got the pad now. This is my first night with the pad.

Oh, you used the pad for God's hate though, too. Yeah. Oh. Because normally, Alec has been doing all the samples with a little pedal this whole time. I remember. So yeah, exactly. You've seen how that can go. So my job basically was be like, okay, Alex, you're free.

You know? Yeah. Just play bass. I'll handle this. Yeah. Even though I got all this shit to set up already. Not sustainable. at that kind of like a VFW type thing.

Yeah. You know? Oh yeah. Spaddapad. Shout out to the sound person at Flyover Fest this weekend. Okay. Sings for a band called Primitive Rage. Oh yeah.

Heard that name. Check them out. They were doing these like snare reverb drops. Yeah. Snare pits because they knew they like listened to the bands that played. So they knew where to put the like cool stuff. So it would be like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. snare bombs

they call it was really they were doing snare bombs a lot it was awesome but the pad is cool I like doing the 808 so definitely gotta figure out a little system Chris is doing something like that doing what he doesn't hit anything he just has

the set on the thing it all goes through the track okay so what is that program what is the track on it's it's called literally like sound stage or something oh knock loose uses the same thing. It's the easiest fucking shit. The difficult part is tempo,

tempo mapping out your song. You got Taylor. Yeah. It's true. So Sunday, we play, go back to hard rock. Well, okay, what happened? Did Brody

get opened up again because of the previous night and then it just happened. Yeah, yeah. So he was like singing hard and like, I think one just started leaking. Yeah. So he just pulled the, pulled the shit out and let it Jesus Let it happen

Christ Nothing happened It was just that blood It was dying to come out Yeah Yeah Which is awesome I mean it looked incredible

That's what you want Yeah You want the blood Yeah You know I want the blood And he kept saying Like why am I the only one bleed

Which is good Set was good That was fun Had a good time Went back to hard rock At that point I hit like a $700 bonus. So I'm like...

Which one? That was a lightning... The lightning link with the totem poles. I don't know if you've seen me play that one before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen it. I've never played it. Okay. That one, I got like the fire shot coin bonus. Fuck yeah. Where you get six coins?

Fuck yeah. And it was a... I was betting five bucks. And it landed like $100 coin, $100 coin, $100 coin, $75 coin. 75, like big numbers. Fuck yeah. Which when that happens, it normally attracts like a major or something. Oh, I see. Because big numbers attract big numbers.

It's the thing. Yeah. The gambling special. So I'm ready to go. I'm like, all right, I don't want to spend any more of this here because they're going to take it from me. Yeah. Then I go, then, so then we go to River Spirit to close out the weekend. We go back to River Spirit.

One more signs. The sixth casino trip of the weekend. Oh, my God. But only the second, with. Brody and Anthony. We had less than six on our entire tour just after. Well, what else are we going to do?

Yeah, we went to the movies and ate barbecue. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. Oh, we got coffee at a couple of different places. Let me shout out some coffee places.

Cirque. They had a draft latte, like latte from a fucking... Love it. Yep, La Cologne style. Very good. Very good. They had a cinnamon toast crunch latte.

It was like a horchata latte. Love it. Collectivo has a horchata latte. It's pretty good. Is it good? Yeah, it's good. Yeah. I'm on the way.

And then we went to a place called Double Shot. Oh. Which was like this big fucking industrial barn kind of. Fuck yeah. So if you're in Tulsa, I'm sure you know Double Shot. Yeah. But check it out. Any coffee places in the country blow your mind or what?

Checked out this one place a lot. They're kind of all over the place. Green with like a chick in the middle. Starbucks. Went there just fucking constantly. Went there a lot? Constantly.

Look, it's the only place that I know what I'm going to get and I don't have to fucking ask a local. I don't got to, you know, whatever. There's a place in Dallas that I, of course, can't remember the name of

but it's in DeBellum. That was really good. But no, went to the fills next to Gilman, you know. I'm always down for a good cup. I'm always down for a gentrified cup. But sometimes...

That's the first thing we look for is a, is a local coffee shop with horizontal wood on the outside. Yeah, I saw. Horizontal wood, the coffee's good. Love that. Trademark. Hardlore.

So Sunday, we went back. We closed the weekend out by going back to River Spirit one last time, right? So, Bo, what do I do? $500 withdrawal limit. But you did. No, I already had it from Hard Rock. I had like 700 cash, dude. You go straight to Huff and more Puff.

So I'm doing all right. No, I don't go to Huff and More Puff. You went to the mines. I went to Eureka Treasure Train. For those of you who don't know, this is like my favorite. Just because I coincide. I just like, by happenstance had within a total of four bets on this game, I won 1,800 bucks. $1,600.

So it's just, you know, you never forget your first big hit on a game. You're like, oh, this one's the best. Every single game I've ever won on, I go back and go, I won on this one time. Exactly. So that's my, and I love that little prospector. Or all I did. I did love him. So here's what I did, Bill.

With Eureka Treasure Train? Yeah. You'll, like, you will understand this because you'll be like, there's no way. I'm on the dollar denomination. One dollar to not. Yeah. Minimum bad is six bucks, so that's not too bad. Okay.

right. I'm pumping spins into this thing. Like you wouldn't believe. And I get down to like a hundred bucks, right? And I finally get some dynamite? Urika? Six dynamite. There we go.

I don't get one of the fun ones that look like there's a bunch of them. You know? Yeah. Six normal dynamite. Okay. And now I'm thinking like, okay, now I just need these to line up and something good will happen. Right. So one by one.

They start popping up. Yeah. You know? Oh yeah. Then the trains start connecting. Yes. Mini available. Minor available.

Major available. I fill the screen, though. With dynamite. Grand available. Grand available. So that means I could have 80 trains during this bonus. Yeah. And what? And get the grant.

I'm eligible for the grant. How much is the grand? $15,000. So he's eligible to win $15,000. And this is the only way you can. can win it by doing what I just did. Right. And every other time I've ever gotten this bonus, I get like 10 carts and the minis available.

Yeah, right, right. The grand's available. Six dollar bet, dollar denomination. You know how much I win in this bonus, Bo? $400. Full screen of dynamite. $400. I didn't even think that was possible.

Yeah, that's... Nate is behind me just rubbing my shoulder going, you got hose, buddy. I got hose, dude. You got fleeced. We were sitting there going, this is it. He's back. I did it. Yeah. You know?

Hand pay. If you were there, you would have been like, dude, guaranteed. Hand pay. You're paying taxes on this win. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm sitting there going, boys, I've done it again. Get them down here. Get the pit boss down here.

I got to fill out some. Bring him now because this is going to be crazy. It's going to take a while. I got to fill out some paperwork. $400. What did you do? I spent it. Is this when you're wearing the blood, sweat, and gears shirt?

When you're on your knee? Yeah. Well, no, that was right after. I had submitted to the place and accepted that it just wasn't happening. Yeah. Tulsa took it all. Tulsa took it all. So if I was you, I wouldn't gamble in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The official hardlore stance is if you're in Tulsa, Oklahoma, stop gambling.

Don't stay. Stop gambling. Never start gambling. Dude, in Reno, I played Eureka Blast. Didn't win anything, quick hundred. Went to a huff and more puff where I got, I was texting you. I got a bonus. I got a buzzsaw, so I got the wheel spin or six hats.

Every fifth spin, I'm not joking. And I lost everything. Dude, I, Colin, I built, I got the six hat bonus, probably a total of five times over the course of like an hour and a half. Chris was watching me the whole time because he was like, dude, you're doing really good. Never once got past a wooden house. No mansions.

Oh, I didn't do this whole weekend. And think about this. Yeah. I lost $3,000 this weekend. In that $3,000, zero gold houses. Zero. And like,

the times I've seen you play, that's never happened. Never. I always get a couple. At least one. Never start gambling. That is the official stance. In Tulsa, Oklahoma.

All right. Let's get to the questions. Oh, wow. Yeah, absolutely. You already answered this. Why does Mr. Brother hate Bucky so much? You're doing a bit. It's just a bit.

Obviously, it serves a purpose, but it's mostly a novelty. Don't forget your roots. Okay. Loves is, loves, loves you. Best Thanksgiving side, best pie. Okay. Good question. Side mashed potatoes. Come on.

I think the older I get, the more of a stuffing, man, I've become. I love stuffing. No, let me ask you, do you like it with sweet stuff? Do you like apple and raisin in there or no? No. Savory stuffing. I'm with you. Savory stuffing, gravy, uh, maybe maybe tossed into the mashed potatoes a little. Okay. Do you like cranberry sauce? No. Really? Big cramp. But I know everybody, you prefer it from the can or homemade? I prefer it homemade. I know people don't mind. I'm fine with the can. But literally, you take a sack of fucking cranberries and a cup of sugar and you just put it together in a pan and you make the sauce.

It's really easy. Okay. And it goes, it goes the extra mile. Pie is, what are you fucking crazy? It's pumpkin. Pumpkin. 100%. All the way.

100%. Oh, let me tell you something. Colin, loves has started carrying single slices of cheesecake factory cheesecake. What? Multiple times. I got pumpkin cheesecake. When it turned my birthday on that drive to Kansas City, I bought myself a slice of pumpkin cheesecake

from the cheesecake factory at Loves. What else did I need to say? Yeah, it's branded. Cheesecake Factory. Loves is king, dude. Come on. Go on. Come on.

Bo, how was playing the new songs? Colin, how was life without Bo? Both, how much did you miss each other? How was playing the new songs? Opening with Silent Wolf was very difficult, physically, like technically, that's a busy song on guitar. We switched it eventually to opening with Become a Machine and then going into Silent Wolf, which was even harder.

Really? Well, the end of Becoming Machine is like a little, little it, little it, little it, all triplets and quads, and then straight into, do it little lean, it's tough. Playing Terrorizer. I respect the ambition of opening with a new track. Yeah. But like. It's tough.

It's tough sell. It's tough. Yeah. It's tough sell. Playing Terrorizer was probably my favorite. favorite every night. It's just like fun and cool. And playing Devourer and cyanide was a couple of nights. Devour did really fucking good. So it was good. It was fun. I'm looking

forward to adding more. And I really like that part live. Yeah. Because the 808s are in there. I throw on the vocal delay. It's dope. Yeah, I hit real good. Yeah, I miss Colin. But we talk all the time. Yeah, it was this. It was weird. It was weird. You know? It was weird. We haven't done this in so long right now.

So who knows what this episode is going to be like if it's good? I don't know. I can feel it. I already answered that. How bad is the financial situation after Tulsa this weekend? Kill myself. Are you and Bo ever going to make music together? I'm sure we are.

Yeah. Positive. There's a lot of iron. Most exhausting thing on this tour. What? I was just going to say there's a lot of irons in the fire. Yeah. exhausting thing.

Loading is the worst part. Loading out is the worst part. It takes me so long. Dude. Yeah. Especially drums. And you linger and you don't say bye for a while. The show will end at like 10

and you're out at like 1 a.m. Dude, fuck that. I'll tell you what, we paid. I out of pocket paid Charlie from Ingrown to help Chris tear it out drums a couple nights. Like when we had to go from San Diego, go to Berkeley, I was like, hey, man, I got to crush this three-hour drive. This show went late. Here's 20 bucks. Can you help? Do you guys back on the whole kit? Not the kit. No. The cabs, yes.

But just like, Chris has all the, you know, the iPad, the gimmicks and all the stands and everything. We got out of there. If the show ended at 11, we were out of there before midnight. It was amazing. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's amazing. So that- Which fast food app? What? So I was just going to say loading out. Yeah, that's fair.

Which fast food app is the most goaded McDonald's? Oh, the actual app or appetizer? Yeah. The app? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Of course. 100%.

It pays itself off. I got a free 20 piece on my birthday. See? There's my birthday. There's my birthday. There's nobody. The Starbucks one is pretty crucial too. We all do that.

But I got it. The Starbucks app is crucial, too. You just go and pick up? you don't use it? No. Dude, are you serious? Yeah, I fucked up. You're not getting stars?

I got no stars. Dude, I got probably 15 free drinks right. I fucked up. I'm just sitting there. I fucked up. You got it. Dude, what are you doing? I fucked up.

I can always see. Get on there. Get on there. All right. And then you become a gold member and then you... You know what I don't like? The reason I don't like it is because you have to fill

your value. You have to fill a minimum amount. You have to deposit money. Yeah. I resent that. I know what they're doing. Yeah, but you're gonna use it. I know what they're going to use it. Just take it out of my cord like any other app. Yeah. That's the thing. I agree with you. I'm with you. Yeah. You're going to use it.

Yeah. I know. You know? I'd have a lot. And then you get the start. I'd have a lot of stars after this story. Why don't you like the five, Knights of Freddy's movie. That's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Oh, yeah. I didn't see it. People seem to like it. Oh, it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Like, I would say, I understand. If you're, if you're super into the game and you're super into the lore, it's probably like, oh, that's this. But I'm talking as like a movie.

Yeah. Like the way it's just constructed and laid out. It's just bad. It's actively bad. Okay. You know? Yeah. It's fine. What's a canceled TV show you think should come back? Lost. No, that wasn't canceled. not cancel. Pushing daisies. What got canceled? It's my answer. Preacher.

If they did preacher like good, like really did it. Didn't they? You don't like it? No, I don't like it. Oh, I loved it.

I didn't like it. It also finished. Oh, it wasn't canceled? I'm pretty sure it didn't get canceled. No. I guess I don't know. The OA.

How about the OA, Colin? Dude. Archive 81. Yeah. Do you see that one? No. No, no.

Bro. That's probably the single best thing Netflix has made that they didn't pick that. Oh, Mine Hunter, too. My God. Right. Fuck Netflix, dude. Fuck them. What should I have for lunch on Thursday?

This Thursday? Turkey, mashed potatoes. Yep. Gravy. Stuffing. Pumpkin pie. Pumpkin pie. Green beans.

Green beans. Green beans. Mean. Oh, no matter. you name it yes I'm going to be eating stone soup and ice cube sandwiches for Thanksgiving thank thank God I prepaid for my Thanksgiving this year LDB predictions what do you predict oh dude did you not hear LD triple B

LD triple B huge announcement I happen to know brilliant I know the headliner and I can't say me too yeah so can't predict not allowed to predict because I just know the future. What's a song from each of your bands that isn't currently in the set list? You'd love to add in. That's fun. Okay. Um,

you guys didn't play disharmony. We did play disarmony. I'm sorry. You guys kill for you. Did play disharmony, which is what I was hoping. Right. Because the fucking.

Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. It's unbelievable. Um, maybe. what's something um what is remind me of the name Colin burn man I'm gang and can can cow cow come come down go down gung can no now oh I like that song love that one burn anon nan no no no um harm's voice song oh that in my control dude that was talked about toss it in I think it might get tossed in.

Okay, good. Bring it back. You know what the problem is? It's on Spotify, you've got to go down to EP. Nobody knows it. That's why you start playing. Yeah, true. Touche.

You guys should have done a 10 years of blinded thing. Tushé, Amore. That's good. Let's see. How is it working with Mark McCoy on the TT album? He's unbelievable. He just did all that photo shit himself. We did know.

He just reads lyrics and makes arts. So cool. You don't give input. So cool. It's awesome. Mr. Brother, as an Illinois guy, are you on board with Charles Branson

slash youth attack stuff? Yeah. Charles Bronson was huge for just early, early punk, you know, just like going into Soul Seek and finding like Chicago hardcore. It was like, oh, shit.

Yeah. So yes. What's a movie that's come out this year that you would tell other people to watch ASAP? Asteroid City. loved it. What have I seen this year? I'll tell you what. It came out last year.

But I think about it every day. The Fablemans. Oh, yeah? I think it went over. Because everything everywhere took all the attention, right? I mean, it's amazing. Yeah. But dude, the Fableman's is one of Spielberg's best movies.

No shit. It is one of the, it is like the only biopic I've ever seen. Like, autobiop. It's an autobiography with no ego. Whoa. It's just, it's like him, like coming to terms with his relationships with his parents and movies.

It's fucking perfect. Wow. Okay. It is truly, truly amazing. So if you haven't seen the Fableman's unbelievable. Okay. No dude.

Let's see. What bands would you like to see come back? Who else is there? Who is left? Demise is. doing an EP, I guess. Side by side. Just did a record.

Dales is back. Side by side is playing in Europe. Yeah. I don't know. I think I'm fresh out. I'd like to see Underdog. Oh, that'd be awesome. I'd like to see Underdog at like a good venue.

I would love for Underdog to have a comeback EP as good as the into another one. Beautiful. Well said. Give me that. Well said. Let him cook. I want to see Underdog at fucking at 1720. That'd be awesome.

I want. Dude, I would fucking love that. That's what I want. That's one, that's one man. I think I'd just be in the pit the whole time. 100%. A hundred percent. Because you're, no one's, you're not killing to underdog. Oh, dude, you're fucking arm with the boys for underdog and the girls. Every. What new song went over the best on this past run? Terrorizer. Fuck, that's awesome.

Easy. Easy. Hey, when the chorus is terrorized the enemy, the enemy is, you terrorize the enemy before they terrorize you. Yeah. I know that one. That's easy. You got it. And it's easy to sing along to. It's heavy. I'd fucking love playing that song. I like hearing it. I'll tell you that much. Good. Highlight a flyover. I liked playing. So I hated everything else.

The show was good. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. I was in such a dark state of being the rest of the time. But the show was great. My highlight of Flyover Fest is the show. Nice. Okay. Everything else that I did?

Tough to talk about. Anyway. I'm not answering that. If you woke up in a D&D style fantasy world tomorrow, what class do you think you could realistically reach at least

level one in? Maybe what's like, I don't remember the classes too well, but not a fighter. I'm not a fighter. Not even really a bard. It'd be more of like a scrivener. I know things. I could heal, you know?

Yeah, healer would be good. I could do that. I got some bandages, you know? I don't think I could do any of the, the, there's too much reading. Too many books to, as a wizard, I couldn't read all them books. I would never remember all them spells. I can't remember a recipe for fucking. lemon herb chicken.

And that's lemon and herbs. You know, you could, I could see you doing a paladin type thing. I could be a paladin. I could see that. Because that's all I have to learn is like, no. Yeah.

No. Yeah. You got the faith. Fireball, I'd remember that. Yeah. Fireball. For sure. Yeah, I'd remember fireball. I could probably remember one healing spell.

Easy. I can play one faith. war song on piano you know yeah right exactly there you go that's a good way to look at it so i get my healing spell i get my fireball and then i whip ass yeah i think i could be some kind of ranger too maybe yeah um some kind of vagabond scoundrel you know some kind of shifty some shifty little bastard yeah yeah i could see that i like that uh can we get an episode of top records of 2023 before the year ends. We're going to tell you a little more about that next week.

Will you write the official manscape theme? We would do that in Harbourn. Absolutely. 100%. But heavy. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Both of you have released new music this year. Twitch fits and the Harmsway record.

Has the reception been good to new stuff? What is your relationship like to the old songs now playing them live? I, all good. Like, like, the reception to the harm's way shit has been amazing. It's been fantastic. Love playing old songs. I'm ready to retire some songs. I think Scramble's done, personally.

I disagree. I think. Let me tell you something. As somebody who has just now removed ego from a song being old, like, this is old. so it's bad, you know? It's just not a thing. Oh, but I don't feel that way about breeding grounds. I just like scrambled.

After the intro of scrambled, you know, it's the same thing with fantasy. People think they want to hear fantasy, but all they want to hear is, and then the chug part, and then the rest of the song, they forget. It's a three-minute song. Sure, but scrambled is not that.

Scramble goes hard. I saw it twice. Okay. It was great. If old songs get a reaction, I'm. I'm fired out. Yeah, but dude, when they're a clinker. When they're a dud, it's like, I told you.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Told you guys. I told you. So. But I have no, I'm at the point now in my life where I have absolutely zero ego whatsoever towards something old being less good. because it's like not about that. You know, obviously people's personal connection to these songs are everything.

Right. And like my wife just heard insane and humane for the first time, you know? Yeah. And she's like, oh, I really like that one. Really? Yeah. So it's like, all right. Wow.

Okay. Interesting. That's just how music works, you know? Anyway. I asked her something about you over the weekend. And one of her responses was, I'm concerned about how much he's losing at the casino squirt gun emoji. Next question.

Is the whaling still my favorite Korean movie? No, it's incredible. Is it whaling as in like, or as in whales? As in scream. Okay. Yeah,

it's like a three-hour supernatural thriller. Jesus Christ. It's incredible. But no, I mean, members of murder is one of the best movies I've, ever seen, period. Any country, any genre, any anything. So memories of murder is probably my favorite Korean movie. What was the most commonplace Harm's Way 8 on tour?

McDonald's. Chick-fil-A. Quite a bit of Chick-fil-A. Dude, there's a place in like the Carolinas called Biscuitville. Have you had Biscuitville? I have not. You got to wise me up to Biscuitville real quick. Bro, it's a fast food biscuit place. And they got all kinds of biscuits. Savory and sweet. I got a sweet because it was morning time and I just wanted like, you know,

a biscuit with honey. It was honey. Yeah. Stellar. Only went there once, though. But in and out, Chick-fil-A McDonald's probably. Surprisingly, only one Dell and it was really bad. I think maybe zero Taco Bell.

Only one Chipotle. Without sharing too much personal stuff, I can just say that dietary restrictions have changed in the band. So it kind of opened up. And shockingly, we went to all the places that you and I talk about all the goddamn time because they're the best.

Yeah. Because they rock. They rock. This is an interesting question that I already have the answer to. Somebody said, what is your personal hardest lore? And they followed it up with being like an unknown connection you had with ex-musician

or band. I'm going to answer this for both of us. Oh, okay. Because I feel like it needs to be said. Already? Obviously, we're on the Notfest network, you know? This hard lore existing is the result of Jay Weinberg going out of his way to give us a shot. So obviously, we have deep, deep love and gratitude for Jay.

we appreciate everything he has done for us. Sad to see him go from Slipknot. We don't know anything. I don't know anything regarding what happened or anything like that, but I can tell you, I'm a Jay Weinberg man through and through. Yeah, eternal gratitude.

He changed our lives. Quite literally, changed our lives. So we owe an immense amount of gratitude to Jay. He's the fucking best. He's as cool as you would think he is. as you want him to be. And truly the best guy can't say enough, nice things about him.

So that's, that's the hard lore is the J. Weinberg. Hard lore is a J. Weinberg joint from forever. Period. Free Palestine. What has been the most challenging part of doing hard lore? Probably technical shit. I mean, honestly, like,

Colin and I, share a common vision of walking into a room sitting down a hitting record. As most podcasts function. Yeah. So there's that. Moving forward, I will say, I think when either of us are busy or when I'm touring more, we just need to have more stuff in the can, which I think we figured out. Which for me, Clurp, who asked us questions, that means much more work for me, specifically.

The amount of time this show takes me is the most. most challenging part. It's like when we're like this, it's Tuesday right now. It's Tuesday. If you're listening to this, this was recorded. Some people are going to be listening to this tomorrow night. Yeah. Wednesday at 9 p.m. Pacific.

Right. So I'm going to turn around this three hour episode in three hours. And it's going to be tough. And it's, and I hope you don't think for a second I take that for granted. No, I don't, I don't believe that you do. people ask and like who does their editing and I say you and they go really you know something I got asked recently was what app do you use to make the little clips on Instagram and it was like if only you knew if only how one button laborious

those little clips those little clips on Instagram are what takes so long but they've gotten so good recently you're doing you're doing so good thank you're trying um when talking Talking about the greats and hardcore, they're usually emphasis is placed on pioneers of the 80s and 90s, rightfully so. In your opinion, what would it take for a modern band to start entering those types of conversations? You got to change shit, you know? I mean, there's got to be a noticeable shift in your, with your existence. And that's kind of why Trapped Under Ice is the one that comes to mind. TUI, terror.

Yeah. Boy, I'd argue that title fight is in. the conversation? That's hard. That's not like I wouldn't put that in even in hardcore though. You know? They made hardcore kids start playing melodic punk music, but I wouldn't say the genre of hardcore music changed.

No? They created a whole, they created an industry. Okay. Okay. You know? Okay. But it's not like, you know,

the next terror record sounded like title fight, you know? Yes. Like Trapper artist came around and melodic bands started sounding like Traptorris. Okay. All right. That's more so. Fair point. No warning then.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And so it's kind of bands that, you know, who's the most recent paradigm shift, do you think? Havehart? I think Knocked Loose is a pretty big paradigm shift. Yeah. In terms of like 10 years ago, if you sounded like knocked loose, you're not.

playing with most of bands that they're playing with, you know? Right. They're like, no, you're not a harker band. So knock loose, grinded on their craft and sounded the way they did and didn't compromise for so long that it was just universally accepted. There was like, okay, they ethically align with this so much that they're just a harker band. Despite whatever differences there are musically. So I do see that as a paradigm shifting thing.

There's a space in there, too, for the death. metal resurgence in hardcore. Possibly nails. Yeah. Possibly. I mean, a lot, like, those motherfuckers owe nails somebody. Yeah, for sure.

Which is, if you, if you're keeping track, that's two Todd Jones. Yeah. You know what I just, I just heard for the first time is Mitzki. Yeah. Mitzky. I thought that that song was Lana Del Rey. No shit.

You know the one? you've heard it a million times yeah i know i have i could not believe that that was that was that wasn't to the point where i like i hope mitsky's sending her money monthly what's your skin Colin what's your skin care routine water water uh same towel from balls i have crazy sensitive skin if i use anything but water on my face i break up soap on my face makes me break out i could see that sucks Top four album bass drops.

Oh. Boy, I don't know if anything comes to mind. Like an 808? Yeah. Kickback Forever War has one on the part. Davidian has one, which is the same. Bass drops. Oh.

Why have you abandoned us? There's a newer Sepulterra song called Corrupted. Yeah. that has one, not even on a pit or anything. It has one during this buildup where these tom's hit, it goes like, yeah. And that, I think, is one of the most effectively used 808s ever.

There's another one in roots, too. There's one in there, too. Yeah. I like them when they're kind of, I like them when they're used not for pits. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's kind of a crazy percussion use.

Yeah. I love that. Um, favorite TT song to play now that you guys are back. Favorite new song to play off common suffering. Favorite song to play. To play. Last Caress is fun. Our original song Last Caress is very fun.

I ordered the. I know I suggest is cop out answer. But it's been so lit now. It's so lit. You guys play it so much slower too. Yeah. Do you like that or do not like that? I didn't like it.

Now I do. Put it that way. It's way easier to sing now. Oh, I'm sure. Dillard a party. It's just like other ones. Well, we used to play it way too fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like the whole time. So now it's like a singable tempo. What's favorite new song to play? Terrorizer, for sure. It's fucking awesome. How do you fail about metal elitists who clown on hardcore bits? Kill yourself?

Who fucking cares? That was, if that's stemming from the dying fetus thing, we know how they feel about it. So yeah, they're down. They're fucking down. Fuck them. Fuck those motherfuckers. What's a movie coming out you have high expectations for? Dune two, baby.

Can't wait. I literally cannot wait. I might watch that tonight. Yeah. There's a, there's a shit ton. I really want to see the holdovers. Can't, well, I already got tickets for the boy in the her and I can't wait. those are the big two.

Oh, didn't you rent a theater out for Killers of the Flower Moon? Yeah, that was amazing. It went well? $250. You can bring 20 people to a private theater. I want to do that forever. Every movie, absolutely. It was perfect because I never had to worry about a single people.

Everyone knew their roles. Very nice. It was amazing. They really did, man. One thing I will say is that movie, should have had an intermission. If your movie's over two hours, 15 minutes, just take five.

Give me an intermission. I just, I would have gotten taken unimmersed with an intermission. But with how it ended, they couldn't. Yeah. All right. Somebody said,

Colin, can you still taste that boiling wanton? Where were we? Were you ate a burning ass wanton? Did I do that? It sounds like something you'd do. I did it last week, though, Were they watching me?

I just did that. Where? Was that your show? At Dintai Fung. You work at Dintai Fong? That motherfucker was bowling. I was going to sit in there going, that's pretty much it.

All right. This was fun. Oh, they're the best, dude. Just getting to catch up. This is three hours long, I'll just say, you know. Well, it'll be under. It's probably like $2.45, I bet.

Maybe. Yeah. We didn't do, we did ads. Yeah, we're good. Yeah, we're good. Yeah, we're back. We're back for the foreseeable. Yeah, don't even worry about it.

So that's nice. We have a very special announcement next week. We got a busy month. Yes. December is going to be especially busy. All I'm going to say is if you're coming here for the children, stay an extra day. Wow. Wow.

Stay an extra day. Stay an extra goddamn day. Yeah. That's all. That's all. Thank you so much for watching. It's good to be back. we will see you next week.

Bye. Bye.