HardLore - Colin of Arabia

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

It's HardLore Time! Colin and Bo talk to legendary hardcore frontman, and the mayor of Boston HC, Colin Campbell AKA Colin of Arabia AKA The Final Boss Skinhead. In his first podcast appearance ever, they talk about Colin's unique introduction to hardcore music, who he channels on stage, how the COA band name/moniker came to be, and a legendary phone call made from prison... This is an insanely special, can't miss episode and we thank Colin for his time. Enjoy the show! Follow COA on Instagram: @quincypunks   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The real master killer. They're all named Patrick, and they all have a last name that starts with O. Oh, yeah. Do you know that in Irish culture, if you have a Mick after before your last name, like a Nulte, like Mick Nolte or a Mick Conner, it means at some point along the lines two cousins got married. My family's became mixed. My family's McMahon.

No, you know, I just made that up, but people believe it. Yeah, you had me going. We should start. Are you wrong, Sean? Yeah, he's been rolling. Okay, so this is where we're starting because to introduce our guests, well, but first of all, it's Hardlore time. Hello and welcome.

Hello, welcome, Bo. How you doing? I'm doing great. This is the first ever in-person full episode of Hardlore with. Hard lore. Prolific hardcore historian, legend, frontman, Colin Campbell, aka. Colin of Arabia. Before we start, let me just say, you're about to go on a journey because I learned this weekend.

This man is an unbelievable. Unbelievable storyteller. There's twists and turns, Shammelan-esque results. Every time he brings back something from the beginning in the end, and you're in for a wild ride here. Colin, thank you so much. Well, thank you for having me here on Hardlore. You know, this is the first time I've... People who asked me to do stuff like this, like podcasts and like,

oh, come on and do this and blah, blah, blah. And, like, for me, I'm always like... I listen to things and people are always pushing something. Yeah. And like, oh, well, I'm all... I'm on to push this. And, like, I'm just, like, doing shows locally in my town that I live in.

And, like, I got this band that's whatever years old. Like, and it's pushed. Like, I'm not trying to, like, sell something up. I'm just like, this is what it is. That's the beauty of the show is that we're here to push you as a guy. Right. It's not. Let's push a brand.

Many people know CEO. Of course, you've been a thing since we were children, you know? And many people know COA, the scary guy, the intense frontman. But I feel like really kind of only Boston Brockton knows COA champion of DIY. Okay. And that's kind of like, like here, that's the real COA. Yeah, definitely. I mean, at the same time, you can't.

Do DIY is actually like, we are doing this. I get a lot of props from a lot of people that I have to hand down. And I try to share the wealth on that as much as possible because, you know, like people will be like, oh, thank you, calling, calling, calling. And I'm like, oh, well, these are the dudes who help me build the stage or these are the things. And when we did Brockton originally, we were doing. doing Roman shows and they turned into the Tigers Den shows. It's the same venue, but it changed names.

It was a real group effort. And when I say real group, I mean 40 fucking people. Like there's me and Chris book in the shows. I have a band like Andy and Mike and Martner and Cutthroat. The dudes from On Broken Wings are doing On Broken Wings, but they're also doing the Straight Edge Band, Shire Khan. JD from Shipwreck comes out of that band. So I'm missing somebody.

Three of us in Harmsway were in a band that played the Tigers Den twice. And you were one of the first people we met, period. Oh, yeah? And it was very much like, you know, we come from Chicago. We're familiar with, like, the vibe of a community and the vibe of, like, these dudes put a thing together. Like, Shane does all the shows. Right. You know, and they're at the Knights of Columbus.

You know, like, we're very, very familiar with that. And I don't know if you remember, but we played a show. on one of the last... What band? The first band was called Few in the Proud from Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We played a guy's birthday party. I remember he was like either maybe shipping,

he was like joining the army. RG, it was RG's birthday party. There you go. Or RG's leaving, yeah. He was leaving, yeah, he's like going away party. We played. And, you know, it was the kind of thing we met him and he kind of showed us around.

He was like, that room over there is where you go if you got a problem with anybody. So. Oh, yeah. Like, okay, so, like, for real, you know, fucking dumb shit happens, beef happens, or, you know, like, this is so crazy because there's only so many, there's only so many women that are into, dudes who are into this weird shit. So, like, dudes getting mix-ups over women and shit like that. But, like, hey, like, it's not going to happen on the floor. It's not going to be a fucking two-on-one.

You're a fucking tough guy. You're a fucking tough guy. We'll go in the room of doom. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what, and it was literally like, just right over there. You know. And it's got older guy.

watch you guys duke it out and then once you come out of the room that's fucking it man you gotta go to macdonald together after right or you can still fucking hate each other but like you're not getting fucking 17 people involved in this beef oh i got a great story so for that show for his going away show we were running late how could you we were running late we just worried i don't know if there's traffic or it was us you know me i woke up at 1230 today yeah i sleep late um james can't pee in a moving vehicle can't do it i'm the same he had to to piss. He put a blanket over his head and we had to be quiet for 45 minutes because we couldn't be late. Like we didn't want to piss anyone off for the out of town band. We're opening

or whatever. Like we don't want to piss anyone off. We get there. No one's loaded in. It was fine. But I don't know if you remember this. A couple years later, Harms Way, it was our first big tour, U.S. tour and we played, I think Clinton Mass. Okay, continue. I'm not sure. I think so. and you just gave us like a fatherly like hey be careful out there kind of talk cool and it was it was exactly and i don't expect you to remember but it was this kind of like exactly what you were saying like we knew we knew you but it was this like oh this guy he was just telling us like you know make sure if you get tired like stop driving like switch drivers it was like that kind of a talk where it was just like you knew it was our first tour and you were just giving us i was already older than a lot

of people that are my contemporaries at that time when I'm like pushing the band, right? Guys are 22 to 24. I'm 26. So just that little bit of time is like...

I think I was 18 at the time. We were young. I mean, you're not a functioning human being until you're 22, basically. Yeah, that's the difference. I'm fucking 42. We're working on it. You got $60

Gloves. That's, that's a They were a Christmas gift for my sister and they're embroidered, they got like, my initials on them and I was like, No. Yeah, you know, Hey, give her gloves, if giver gloves is watching, I lost my giver gloves, I hope my sister doesn't watch us. Christmas is coming.

I got them last Christmas. And you're a friend of the show now. A friend of the show. So we'll be in touch. Great. So, yeah, no, and I had a lot of that stuff. And also we had a great rapport with dudes in Western Mass and dudes in Connecticut. And part of that thing was that part of it was, oh, we're going to, we're going to Cleveland for Saturday. So let's at least get in the van and get out to, let's get out of town.

Get out there, yeah. So that way we can wake up and fucking go to Cleveland. We can wake up, we go to, you know, Philly. We wake up, we go to Virginia. Like wherever we're going, we're already three hours on the way, and I'm not waiting for, you know, somebody, I don't know where one of my band members is because last night there was a show and, like, he's off doing fucking Coke with some fucking other idiots I know. Or, you know, this guy got a girl and he brought her home and I have no idea where he is. This is also a time where, like, our first tour, I think one member of the band had a cell phone. Wow.

You know, like MapQuest directions were. Yeah, of course. We talk about that. And I'm like right on the end of that. Like I'm right, like the next step was... GPS. The next step was all of a sudden we have a bag with like 10 devices in it that all do one thing. There's like a tape recorder because we're making music in the van while we're going.

So we're like taping music. We have GPS. We have an Atlas. Yeah. Like a little video camera. Everything that an iPhone does. but there's like a bag with like a fucking 17 things in it

a power strip and 45 chargers but back to that like bringing bands oh if I fucking like your band I'll just be like oh do you want to do the weekend and the weekend is literally going to be like Connecticut Brockton and

in Maine you know what I mean and Connecticut we haven't played Connecticut we haven't played Connecticut in fucking so long we're playing the 16th with Terror and they're doing, they're doing lowest and lows.

Oh, we were just talking about that, that's right. Yeah, and they never do that song. My favorite tariff song is the one I don't know what it's called it. He goes like, don't ask me why I'm so fucked up. Weow! Like that one? That's the one.

They never play not this time either. They never play that. They also don't play what, or they also don't play, what the fuck have we done? That's a hit. That's a hit. What's the song with Furnace on it at the end?

What's the name of that song? Is that that song? It might be. I think it is. They have so much material at this point that, like... And it's all good. It's fucked. I agree.

I agree. It's definitely all good. There's some stuff that I'm like, this is... One of the underdogs is objectively, we say this all the time that it's like not only some of the best hardcore songs ever written, it's some of the best hardcore songs that, like, will ever be written. Yeah. I think that terror on every record has a song that, you know, could possibly be the best hardcore. They can play... If they put that fucking, that greatest hits when that,

dude. When Columbia House puts it out and it's like that gray thing and they're just like standing there like the four tops, it's going to be like, yeah, triple platt. Triple platt. Eagles, greatest hits. But I was a little bit older than everybody.

And like growing up around here, it was amazing to me to how many kids were into hardcore and didn't know until like, Oh, put a blanket over that stuff. Oh. Lock the van. Exactly. This is the kind of things he was saying.

You left money at the merch table? Yeah. People, to this day, are getting MacBooks stolen out of their vans. Dude, you know what, dude? You know what? Hey, straight up, I don't believe me any of that shit. Well, I can attest. Oh, because you're an idiot?

Yeah, yeah. The whole trailer. The whole trailer got stolen. Where? In St. Louis? In Las Vegas. Oh, Las Vegas. In an extended lot that had a guard.

And card set you up, dude. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. When we were checking in, it was just like casino. The guy was like, where are you guys from? Oh, you're in a band. You parked in the oversized lot? Yeah, okay.

100%. And there's no cameras that face that lot. But also in St. Louis, that place, Foo Bar, everybody played. That was brutal. I had a guitar stolen during the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, just... Oh, that's a fucking shit band.

Yeah. Like, we're going to hawk that thing. You know, but people would be like that. I was always It's weird to not be cool about money with other bands Like we're all on fucking tour And like oh it's $120, well we headlined So like, yeah

The dude gives me the $120 bucks And then I fucking turn around And everybody's like, all right You know, it's You're a wrestling fan Yeah, oh yeah And it is, there's a lot of similar Mentalities of like

It's the boys, it's the you're working together You're traveling together You know what I found out about wrestling, though? What's that? In small market stuff, if I'm the, like, I hosted a couple things, and I would make the money requested and pay the money requested for the promotion

to the promoter, but not to tell the guys how much the promoter made. That's never, it never ends well. But you know what I mean? I was like, that's weird. Yeah, that doesn't. The whole culture in any job of like don't talk about your salary.

It's bullshit. That means there's some disparity. I mean, it's literally like a corporate top to bottom. It's a hack. We've been here for three days now. Okay. I feel like you've taken us under your wing a little bit. A little bit.

We had a good hang the other night. We had a great hang. Hours. Burned material. We got to get back into that first story you told us because that was unbelievable. But I. I described you after a day as a very generous conversationalist. And you said, brother, I hold court.

Oh, yeah. Tell me about holding court. I love working hard. I love drinking beers of the boys. I love laughing loud. You'll find me all the time in my fucking dirty-ass jeans. I'll come to the show from work. It's not a fucking fashion show.

Like, I'll do this and like dust will come off of you. We'll just be like, bro-in and somebody will say something or somebody will remember something. And I'll tell a story. It's even better. Do you guys know who John Blake is? Yeah. All right. So when I was on the road and when I was going hard all the time, I was fucked up all the time.

Like, you've got some fucking, like, as the OA shows, it'll be like, I'll be on the mic. Last thing I say is like, I will trade drugs for merch. so like we'd just be fucked up the whole time and John Blake was largely with me and straight edge so I'll be fucking riffing

holding court and John Blake will stop me no man no this this is how it really happened oh because I get like pieces of the story wow yeah but you know I love

telling stories. My uncle Donald passed away like last year or two years ago and we called him Donnie the storyteller and I just learned how to do it from him. Yeah, yeah. You're a pro. We have a lot of similarities and

he was a Vietnam vet and he was real fucked up from it, you know, like a lifelong fucked upness and I didn't know until after he died that he got in a gunfight, the guys that he was with died,

they killed everybody but one other guy on the other side, and then Donny'd run up on him with his gun with no ammo in it. He fucking... This is in Nam? He's in Nam. And then walked a Viet Cong soldier back to base, bluffing the whole way. And nobody knew this story until, like, we unlocked his safe,

and there was, like, an accommodation for it. Wow. So he saw that kind of stuff, and I can't imagine that he didn't, you know, he helped me a lot of my post-traumatic stress, but just by being like, we didn't really share stories, but, you know, he helped me a lot. And, like I said, that's where my storytelling comes from. Do you, outside of, like, New York's, do you write at all? I do. That stuff is harder to put together. Yeah, for sure.

It's a different art form, for sure. Yeah. And, like, last time I was locked up, I started to, like, write, like, fucking tour stories. But, like, let's write them in a screenplay thing because anybody, this is an off-camera conversation, but how is there not a fucking show right now? Americans love music. Yeah. Right.

And it doesn't have to be a hardcore band. No, we've talked about it. I envision the band. You know who the band sounds like? It sounds and looks like a veil from the 90s. Oh. Right? So it's like hard.

They're hard dudes. They're rockers. But like, you know, like they're also punk dudes. So I wrote a bunch of stories like that. Like the first time we play Chicago, we fucking break down on Friday. We're supposed to play the university the first night. DePaul. That's right.

I was there. And we break down on Friday. And we break down in South Bend on the highway. Oh, Jesus. So people were just coming in for the fucking thing, the game, right? And then I got AAA gold. So we're going to get towed. But it's like 200 miles to Chicago.

So we got to get there and then call again and get towed. There's only room for one in the tow truck. We can't have people legally in the back. I got to hide all the guys. All the guys are hiding in the back. Toot truck comes. The dude's got, what I remember is the dude had a lazy eye. Oh, no.

And he's like full Indiana. Yeah, truck driver personality is where Christmas story takes place. Isn't it also Notre Dame, Touchdown Jesus? I think... That's where I'm thinking. No, South Bend is on the way to Chicago for sure, but that's... Notre Dame's further out, I think. I'm not a sports guy.

I thought we were like outside of Notre Dame because the police came and they're like, oh, you got to get out of here. Like, it was going to be a busy fucking highway. Oh, wow. So then he dropped us in Gary right off the fucking highway. There's a bunch of fucking trucks there. It's the fucking sketchiest place ever. Michael Jackson.

And then... Yes, of course. Yeah, Gary... Gary and Dana was scary. And then, again, Toad, again, to DePaul. We got there. The show was over. Yeah.

And Regist Jan said, like, left their gear set up so we could just, like, run in and play. And it just didn't work for time. and yeah and then we took a bus our van our van shit the bed and we took a bus all the way back to Boston I had no idea did you play the next day at Olin we played the next day at fires

what was it Knights of Columbus so it was a two like the righteous jams were so popular and like so over at the time oh I remember that they they booked so like one show was like oh it's going to be too much for DePaul because it's just a classroom like the size of this room they booked a second show

at Knights of Columbus it was like supposed to be stand accused COA, righteous jams, and there was like another band. It was one of the, it was awesome, it was great.

And I remember, I think the killer may have played Knights of Columbus. I've definitely been to a show where you played the killer. Yeah, and they covered Slayer. Oh, that was that one?

It was the scariest thing. Lights off or something? It was just like, oh dude, whenever I have, whenever I'm anywhere near a fucking night switch and like my friends are on stage

and I know the break is about, like the big break is coming. I'm, fuck. I'm the dude who 100% shuts off the, I 100% shut off the lights for fucking 10 seconds and then like flipping back on and see who's out there. That's the best. That's a beautiful moment. COA, the band. Were you COA the guy before the band?

No, and like, you know, so it started like this. Chris Mission was going to do a record label, and we were going to do, shows. Andy was doing, Andy from Cutthroat is one of my closest friends, his lifelong guy, was doing this other band with Mike from COA and a couple other cats. And Chris decided he was going to start Rock

Vegas Records with a comp. So all of our friends' bands from that time were on the comp, and he was like, like, get it. And he's a bit older than me, you know? And he was like, get it to fucking gather. Like, we're launching this. And if you don't get it to fucking gather,

like, he was, he knew I was the guy before I knew I was the guy. You know what I mean? And he was like, get it to fucking gather. And then we were joking about names and all this stuff. And the joke was like, well, Bruce Brinkstein has a band named after him. And like, I got a lot of.

pulse. I'll just put my name in the band. And they were like, you know, calling what? And it was me and Mike played bass, and the other guy played guitar, and we just had a couple of songs, and we were just farting around with it. And it was like, oh, how do we associate

it with, like, how do we associate the band with, like, jihad? like how we make it seem like what's scary to regular Americans sure post 9-11 yeah and we're like fucking Arabs sick and uh you know I'd done some time

there or whatnot so kind of fit and we just went with it and me and Mike wrote a handful of songs with this other guy Gooney wrote uh the fast part a 50 bag of hate and uh he was in another band and they didn't like that he was writing with us and there was kind of some local beef or whatever.

I'm friends with all those dudes. We grew up together. It's all, you know, it was fucking dumb kid beef. Of course. And, yeah, Ed Wittmarsh from back of the neck is like one of my favorite people. Back of the neck. Yeah. Fight everyone. Yeah, yeah.

Very inspirational for me. That's not. And so Chris was like, hey, you got to do it. And so we put it together and then we had a show scheduled. Our first show was supposed to be in Stoughton at the club that, like we were

doing local, everyone was doing local shows at. It was supposed to be like, embrace today, integrity on the to die for tour, and then us and I forget who was the middle band, like we were going to open. And that didn't happen. And then we somehow wrangled integrity playing at the chopping block, which is probably half the size of this room, and maybe 70 people in there, jammed in there. Wow. Sounds great. It's fucking crazy.

And a funny thing was a band was in town from Pennsylvania. It's Cold Cuts Band. Oh, okay. CDC? No, but it was the band before it's CDC or something. And like, dude, I'm calling it. I'm not playing it first. You're playing it first.

And then we use their gear. And we were awful. It was, you know, first band show type thing. But was that your first time singing in a band? My first show. Well, I had like, we fucked around in Rockton, I had like a Will Ben maybe not really. It was like

you know. But this felt very different obviously. It was like you are the name of the man. And we're going to take over the whole fucking world. Like we're going to play fast hardcore. You're the guy. We're going to play E-tuned fast hardcore with one break

and the break is going to be four measures long. Yeah. Because we don't want to be like fucking second string mosh dudes getting in just like sick shit and it's over. Yeah. And So what I'm describing to you is power violence. Yeah. Of course.

But knowing about those bands and stuff, you know, the other guys in my bands knew about the bands then. Mike switched to guitar. Gooney left. This dude Matt joined the band. Nick joined the band. And they were in a grandcore band together. So those guys were locked in.

That works. We made our first record. Again, budget-wise, it has to be a full-length. So, I mean, I like a lot of those songs, and I feel for the person that was writing them, I feel that should have been an EP. But budget-wise, we needed the money for Rock Vegas Records.

I can't charge, we need to charge $10 for this. Yeah, you don't make money to justify. Right, because everybody else is putting out a fucking EP, a CD EP, bro. We're not, this is worth a CD, so thing. Yeah. So then, you know, we started doing Brockton. We were doing Brockton, and every week it was COA's headlining, Black My Heart's headlining,

ShireCon's headlining, on Broken Wings, cutthroat, and once every two months, we're going to do a pop-punk show, and a lost of the words that's going to play. Because those two are our homeboys too, and they're going to, like, bring in people. And because it was every Friday for $10, Wow. Sometimes it would be, so at first it was like us rotating the card. At that same time, somehow this place that we're sitting in shut off to hardcore.

Really? At that same time, the Elks shut off to hardcore. So we became like the spot. Also, at the same time, Josh Heinz is doing up north, right? He's doing 30 minutes. He's doing 50 minutes north. I'm doing 40 minutes south. And a band could come here and play my spot on Friday and drive an hour in 10 minutes.

The trip. Play to a completely different fucking crowd. Dude, when you see that on the routing, you're like, yes. It's an hour. It's incredible. So that's like what it was. So me and him, again, like North Shore, South Shore, kind of some beef. Like we squashed our beef.

and like now we're a fucking, now we're duo. And then we started doing shows two in Nashua with Johnny Harkour. So like all of a sudden we're booking two shows. And, you know, we got fucking dudes in Western Mass. Okay, we're getting the whole fucking weekend. Yeah. But there's a reason why our first two, the first tours I ever went on never played Boston. It played Brockton.

Yeah, of course. You know, it was that time period. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. but it also allowed us to shout out to McDonald's Coke Swig at McDonald's real quick My favorite junk food is a Scottish restaurant And they have the best Coca-Cola McDonald's

The McDonald's specifically across the street from the Middle East Dude it could have its own fucking show Dude you go up there at fucking 1 o'clock in the morning It is live We've eaten there every night and will later tonight It's live and fucking loud bro Incredible. Yeah, it's incredible.

It is. So, where am I? Oh, we did that record, and then after we did that record, we were immediately better, musically, and together, and we put out, again, an EP, but Chris didn't want us to put it on an EP or something, or didn't want to put it out on the label, and we just, like, self-released it. and that was slave driver kiss me goodbye and it was behind this tongue by Infest now

I'm not trying to like I'm trying to be like ooh I'm trying to be like a lot of people do not did not know who Infest fucking was and people thought that was our song Oh interesting so like I just let it go Yeah I'm not correcting this But funny story is years and years later Infest finally played Boston

And I met Matt Domino, who fucking cool guy. And I was like, oh, hey, I'm in a band. You know, we covered behind this tongue. You're fucking big influence. I mean, he was just like, oh, dude, I know. Like, that dude knows every little bit of like, if somebody's covering Infest or doing something, infest, his eyes are on it. We covered Mindless Mutant and the first song. He knows.

Yeah. We covered it a ton. He's seen the running man. Yeah. He knows what you do. Love infest. Yeah. The running man.

We'll get to that, huh? Yeah. If we must. You ready for this? So I said, you'd share the new tracks with him? Not yet. Yeah, he was playing in the lot of. So one of the new tracks that we did is 15 seconds long.

It's called Doom Scroll. And it's designed to fit in the fucking story. Because the only way. Oh, wow. Because the only way. How would you never thought of that? Wow. He beats me in everything.

Wow. The superior. Capital C. I got to address that. So, like, one of the new songs, and, you know, at first we were like, you know, long song titles are not very, are cool, but, like, they're, like, pretentious or whatever.

Like, how do I sum up, like, brevity in the attention economy? And then somebody said, doom scrolling to me, and I was like, yes, because I'm with my phone fucking constantly fucking, I'm a victim of, I'm a purveyor and a victim of it. Like, I'm just like, oh, yeah. How can you not be, like,

Like, think about in the fucking old motherfuckers give us shit. This young generation is on their phone. Imagine in the 50s you had a little supercomputer with every piece of information ever on it. Would they not have been in the same thing? Not only information. Entertainment. Yeah. And whatever view you have, there's five links to back up what you do.

Amen. Very true. So it's like addictive. Because, yeah, I'm right. I'm fucking right. Yeah, right. Yeah. Feels great.

And you can look at five real looking websites to say. Yeah. that you are right. So people are... Doom scroll. A song made for the algorithm. What am I left to do? That's amazing.

And the music... We're doing three or four songs. We haven't decided if it's going to be three or four. There's another song we're really working. We're finishing right now called Tired a shit. And my friend owns a tire shop, so I want to do a collaboration with him. Tired of shit. Shout out to Woody's...

Steyer. Shout out to Woody. Woody is the fucking man. A lot of dudes that are fucking really cool. And work for Woody. He gives everybody a chance. He's the fucking man. Oh, cool. Yeah. When I got out of jail, I ended up going up and living with Woody. He helped me get money together.

Woody and his wife, Jenny, are fucking awesome. I fucking love their kids. And like, shout out to Woody Steyer. So I want to do a collab with Woody. Because it's called Tire Ship. I don't know if it's going to be ready. It's got a weird time signature. kind of hard. Yeah, so algorithm. Doomscroll.

Kids and the attention economy like, what are you doing putting out fucking 12 songs? Yeah. It's pointless. 8, 9. And no, why? You can't put out, fuck that. But I just like, I like an album. You know, that's, like, that's for me. That's not so much for them.

Is that us being old guys now, though? I guess, but I would rather love. I'm going as hard on song number four as I am on song number one. Sure. Absolutely. And the one, song number one or the hit that's like number five in the middle of the record gets all the plays. So like why wouldn't I take what I do in three years of work and separate it into several releases for the internet? You're right and that's that's where music is going.

There's no monetary value attached. Of course. Spotify destroyed the concept of an album. But not to me. No, I'm with you. We can also take that like people are fucking freaking out over ticket prices now? Like, I mean... Where are you going to make money? It's the only place of band can there's no publishing rights or royalty rates and...

It's merch and the door. Merch and ticket sales. Yeah, ticket sales. And then the venues want the merch too. Yeah, venues want piece of merch. But that's, there's like an uprising happening right now. Yeah, yeah. Hundreds of signatures and venues

sign... Who knew? Who knew? Pearl Jam in 1994. Dude, we were just talking about them. We were just talking about Pearl Jam. Can you know how? Okay, so I'm, full disclosure, I've used military benefits to go back to school. I'm in English too. So I just did a paper about it because it's like in the news and stuff.

I'm like, they tried to do a tour without using Ticketmaster venues. And it was fucking a disaster. Wow. Like they were playing some weird fairgrounds. Yeah, right. All kinds of shit. And then they went to Congress saying that like, this is a monopoly. You need to do something about it.

And it was largely. taken as like a puff piece like Grunge Rockers go to Washington Yeah right and now look at Taylor We were just talking about Taylor Swift is now She hired a team to like Look into Live Nation Ticketmaster Taylor Swift is the Walmart of music

Absolutely Doesn't mean it's good but it's good Okay okay that I understand now There's a McDonald's in most Walmarts You know what I'm saying Sweare Sweet Yeah

Yeah That's Mmm Mmm Mmm It is. This is the nectar of the American gods. That's very much true.

Neil Gaiman fucking should have put that side in there. It is, yeah, it's something that we talk about that I don't think people realize how deep, like, the Spotify, the Live Nation, the ticket master, even the stub hub, because it's called dynamic pricing. Yeah. The scale is always moving. It's the same platform as a flight or a hotel. Exactly. It basically means that if you're looking at the price, it's always the best time to buy it because it's only going to ever change and you have no way of predicting it.

Delete your cookies before you're buying flights. Does that help? Does a VPN help? A VPN helps because... I'm so old that I don't even know what they're talking about. Dude, if they see... So if you just clear your history or everything, if they see that you've already looked at flights, they know that you didn't buy it, but you still want it.

So every time you look at it again with that same information stored in your browser, it's going to cost it. price line would do that to me. Price line would. Shatner is out for your blood. Son of a bitch. Shatner hates you. Specifically. Wait, do you have a William Shatner story?

Because if you do, I want to hear it. He's the price line. He's the price line guy. I mean, I know, but like. Nothing specific. He just. We talked about, you asked like, I would assume he would hate. We talked about, I said the other day on Thursday, on Thursday night, I said like,

who do you do? Yeah. Like everybody, everybody that does some sort of performance in 2022, does somebody who's come before them. You can't be an original act. This might be, hopefully, with your blessing, a segment on this. Oh, please, please. Because it is such an...

As soon as I was explained to me, I immediately was like, James Headfield. Like, immediately in my brain, I'm like, oh, I do that. So are we doing this now? I think we should. Yeah, well, I was just going to say who I did and then... I would love how like... I would say to whatever.

Yes. Like, so I do choke from Slapshot. that's also like one of my that's my first hardcore show is let's see in Slapshot And have they aged well for you Even like the good Like the classic shit

Do you still hold them in such a regard? SlapShad has only gotten cooler Slapshot had A beef with older Boston dudes I came of age and kind of Help put it away like hey This is my favorite band and like You don't get to do that

don't do that to them anymore. I'll respect to older dudes and stuff. Like, I love my team and I love my crew, but I was like, hey, you know, let's not do that. And everybody that's younger agreed. And then right after that happened, one of my closest personal friends, Ryan Packer, joined the fucking band.

It's like one of my fucking best friends joined fucking Slapshot. It's fucking sick. And then I kind of got to know Craig Silverman just after that. And I had had a little talks here and there would choke with like this or that. And I got to know him too. Like, he's the only older dude that I've met that I'm like not let down by.

There's very few out there. That's amazing. And now in my tenure, like now what I'm trying to do is be like that. Can I tell you something? You're one of them for me. Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Of course.

I mean, I've seen you at shows that I know you didn't play or that other people booked or whatever. No, dude, I just enjoy hardcore. Yeah, exactly. You know, so that it, I agree. I agree. And my favorite, like when I was getting into, like, after the minor threat period where you're, like, discovering hardcore is, like, when I was young, I immediately was drawn to Boston hardcore because I had, I'm straight edge and I have been since I was young. Sorry about that.

Well, but it's also got that the like the hardness to it of a city that like Chicago didn't have that. Right, right. You know what I mean? But it's got this like children of immigrants mentality where it's like we're not really fucking like we're not into this. We're not into that but we're into like punk rock and we want to do the shit ourselves and blah blah blah.

I was so drawn to SSD and DYS and last. Yeah, you were that before you were a master killer guy. Oh, big time. Because they went from that into like the youth crew shit. See, I was like a MasterColier almost right away. It switched for me. You guys really are like the same guy. So I do choke and first off my ass day one.

So I do choke and first after and I do fucking Rollins, right? Rollins band first. Like I discovered Rollins band through Lyre through MTV. Like long before I discovered what Black Flag was. Good video. Very good video. Yeah. And then like Lollapalooza 94.

He was on that like. I mean, I'm still probably. probably a Rollins band guy. What's that? I'm still probably a Rollins band guy first. I'm not a black flag guy. Oh, I'm a big black flag guy and I'm especially Rollins black flag. Yeah. Oh yeah. Before that they're a punk band and he like made him a hardcore band. Yeah. That guy might beat you up. It's like, uh, they just took the D.A. And he was like in shape and looked sick. Yeah, they took the D.O.A singer and fucking put him behind the black flag platform. It's fucking amazing. Um, so he's like really close to William Chattner, I guess. I would

wrong. Really? Yeah. Well, first, full sort of. Yeah, look at that. Always comes back. I went to see him talk a couple months ago because I always go see him talk because... I respect the hell out of that guy. Yeah, and I love that he calls

whenever he does work. He's like, I'm doing the work, and you know, I want to work, and it's just like going out and talking or doing this movie or anything like that. Have you read... I'm sure you've read getting the band? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude. Or even the audio book. The audio is better. Unbelievable. Yeah. Does he just go into other tidbits? Yeah, a little bit, a little bit here and there. But, like, it is, I've said this before.

It's one of the things that I'll put on when my baby ass is on tour. And I'm like, I don't want to fucking load. I'll put that on and be like, yeah, I lived in a shed behind Pettibone's house. And it was the best place that anyone in the band lived. Wow. And I just kind of like, okay, I'm all right. I'm good. Back to getting into it.

I am, the song. of the baby of a two-parent household. My brother and sister were raised in the projects, and my parents got out, we bought a house, and I was raised in that house. I'm much younger than my brother and sister, and so I was given a ton of leeway. They went through with my brother and sister.

They're just like, but there was no extra money in my house. I, you don't answer the phone when to around dinner, because that's a bill collector. Bill collectors are always calling and stuff like that, but I never knew, my parents wanted to eat steak we're going to eat steak right that's just fucking how it is and then the lights get shut off and they pay the fucking bill like why am i paying the bill

the lights not shut off and that's just how my parents operated but there was never really extra money i got a job at a catering place in the back room washing dishes and like loading trucks so there was the kitchen but then there was this whole other thing and there was a bunch of fucking losers there and i could dude with a fucking eagle tattoo and he was like fucking cool and then these other

fucking nerds. And I thought these guys were the fucking coolest. And one of them played in a band and the manager was in a band and one of the guys wore shirts that stickmen on it all the time. It says purveyors of power groove.

And I was like, well the fuck is that. That sounds cool. It sounds like something I want to be into. I like any band that purvays something. Yeah, right. This is also the summer of the college rock station in Boston. sponsors Green Day at the Hatshell.

Oh, shit. Now, the Hatshell is right over there. It's on the Charles, and it's where the orchestra plays on the 4th of July. Nice. Right? It's like a big open field, and they expected 10,000 people and 110,000 people showed up. It's the summer of fucking Longview. Right.

Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. It's the summer of... They were on a rocket. The offspring and sublime deep... grape is on college radio. Yeah.

Like, uh, and that's on constantly. So what I remember is Memorial Day, I work there, work there and work there. And I bought a moped. Fuck yeah. Right. And in 1994, if you have a moped, uh, it's, it's not like now. Okay. Dudes ride mopeds and, like, have a lot of pride in it.

Yeah. No. Poppy wheelies on the thing. It's like, we saw that, yeah, yeah. You know, I would ride my moped doing from work, making money, and then I'd be able to ride it's Newbury Comics, well, nights later, I guess. Memorial Day weekend, they have like a feast somewhere, and we've got to unload the trucks on Memorial Day.

So I go in for a full day. This is a money day for me. Usually I work after school, I work three to six. So I'm like going in, it's a fucking money day. I'm going to work a full day. I'm going to make $100. Fuck yeah. I wash off this clamshell, and I'm like,

where's this going? And I take it up the prop closet. So I'm fucking, it was heavy. It must have been fucking 50 pounds. You know what I mean? I, at the time, probably was a, 130 or 40 pounds and six foot like you know like like uh so I take it up into the prop closet now the prop closet there's no organization it's just like shoot goes up there and I fucking

take this thing out and I get it onto a shelf and there's a box and I hit the box next to it right and two records fall off that box and I'm like dude this is like the goonies you're blowing my mind right and I fucking lean over and I pick them up and one is a clear sleeve, and it's just a black record, has a red label, and on one side, it has a cross with a no sign,

a bad religion symbol. Okay. On the other side, it has a cross, a no sign, and a swastika. And I already know this is cool. Yeah.

I'm like, fucking Nazis are fucking awful. I don't know what this is, but... And then the other one is white cardboard, and it opens up. and all the lyrics are on the inside and the cover is a drawing

of some guy like this and he's got an X carved on one hand and it says O.C. Hardcore. It's uniform choice. And I'll never forget on the back I love having two dudes do backups on our records because

it's tight. If you have two guys do it over and over and over it, it's tight. And on the bag it says backups by the heavy duty crew of two. And I took those records home and I put them on my parents record player and I listened to them at 45 and I thought they were too fast. So I slowed them down. I was like, I was like, this has got to be right. Like kids can't be this fast. So I don't know who ever own those records, but I still own them. And I stole every record out of that box over the next two or three months. So that box was

your old head. That box was my old head and it was like goon. They knock over the map. Cryptopsy. I mean, not Cryptopsy. I'm not Cryptopsy. I'm not cryptopsy. Cropicslaughter was like a record that I loved that was in there. Cryptopsy? Yeah, yeah, I like Cryptopsy too, yeah.

But that didn't get into that until like 97 and I got into it through like a pop punk band actually. Wow. There's a band from here called 12 Cent. And the drummer of that band, because he's in like a fucking punk band who's like they got the best drummer, Cryptopsy. And he was like, but

and pop punk show i mean that band 12 cent uh showed us all how to tour they in the 1996 bought a fucking van and took it on the took it on the road and and fucked off and doing it via pay phone so choke rollins yeah rollins band rollins huge rollins massive yeah fucking jackdrolls because i was into sports yeah right i mean james from my band doesn't fuck with Black Flag but loves Rollins because he lifts, he's into sports, he respects that. Is he a cop?

No, he looks like a cop. He's a teacher. He looks like a cop every time. He's like, that dude's a cop. He's 100%. Yeah, every time I see, every time he posts on the internet, I'll post around and he's like, you're a cop. Yeah, but he's just like us for real. And I know he's not a cop.

He's simple and soda. He's. He is a huge McDonald's Coke head for sure. McDonald's Coke head. I can go any kind of way with Coke. Who do you... You started with Hetfield. I did. Should I finish?

So let's finish. Who do you do? Hetfield and probably not anymore, because I can't anymore, these knees. But Porcel, probably. I was a youth crew guy. I really liked... Youth today was fucking awesome. Those records are fucking awesome.

They're great. Yeah, probably... Because Choked in like him, I didn't. I was racist against youth today. I'm very torn. I was racist against Houston today for a very long time because of choke. Do you know that there's like an interview where... choke was like yeah these guys are like talking about me no dude on sudden death overtime oh is that

there's a phone call on sudden death overtime with like somebody leaving a message on the machine and the song is called something to prove it's like oh you got something approved it's like oh you got something seen i'll tell you where the bad is from oh got something to prove it's like that in the interview choke is literally like yeah they're talking about making friends and like they want to be friends That's not why we're here. I'm not here to make friends. It's not positive music. Right.

I'm very torn between the two camps. So probably Porcel and Huffield, I'm pretty happy with. And, you know, musically, that makes sense. Because it's like... That's what I got. It's all there, and that's what you got. With your crown came nothing. Who do you do?

Depends on the instrument. Okay. That's true. Great. Yeah. Let's do singer. Singer? Drumming is...

Singer, you know, I'm doing... Spiritually, I'm doing Pete Steele. Yeah. Okay. Trying. A little shorter. And Jonah Jenkins. Really?

Are you a fan? Okay, so a guy who I think is better than Jonah Jenkins, cast iron hike. Mm. Of course. I think the band is also better than... Superior for all around is... All around superior.

Wow. And I never saw witness. I knew it. Like, but the time frame of them breaking up... That's surprising to me. I saw his next band, Milltown. Milltown. Dude, they could have had it all, huh?

At that point, like, I've heard the... Everyone today is going to a place to make money from music. In the 1990s, making money from music was called Selling Out. and it was a very difficult line for a lot of bands to to listen to a fucking seaweed span away and tell me that record isn't doesn't belong on the fucking radio it's fucking awesome anything that anybody considers a cell out record into another seamless and tell me that doesn't belong on the fucking

you know that's not even on Spotify because uh MCA or whatever just buried the fucking record because it didn't do well. Really? Like, that record is fucking insane. I have it on CD. I have a CD player for that. To listen to basically that record.

The sellout record generally in any band's discography is a lot of the time my favorite one. Mine is generally the first. First or the sellout? I think it's like, okay, here we are. This is what we do. You love the black album. Shut up.

I mean, I do love the black album. I love it. We'll talk about Metallica for once. second? Absolutely. Literally always. We're just going to do one second. I would like everybody to realize that Metallica has been bad

for twice as long as Metallica was good. And the new song that everyone is like, oh, it's pretty good, is just a it's a solid turd in a bowl of diarrhea. I'm with you. And there's

a thousand other metal bands, actually two played last night, Fuming Mouth and High Command. That High Command record is fucking makes me want to fucking worship the devil. We're also just saying that Robert Trujillo has been in the band longer than any other bass player.

Which is pretty crazy. When you do what Metallica did, obviously you don't need to keep writing good songs. And it's clear from their new music that they don't really know what people like about them. Yeah. They don't know what they like about themselves. But I don't like Metallica and I never really have because

being a hardcore punk in the 90s, metalhead dudes are a totally different subculture and we don't fucking vibe. But then you like Cryptopsy. Yeah, but... And Marauder.

It's different. And Marauders are hardcore band. Yeah, they're a hardcore band. Undeniable a hardcore band, but with such a metal influence. Yeah, but... You got like that divide is maybe why the record...

The other thing is like, I fucking started going to shows 94, 95, 96. And Marauder was playing up here all the time. These motherfuckers are like, sketchy Puerto Rican dudes and Minus lived up here, the original singer lived up here and he pumped gas

in a town next to my town and we would drive to that gas station to like... There he is. No, he was like super cool. No, Minus is like one of the coolest. Again, fucking props to that dude he is a guy who...

I mean, he wrote the fucking songs. And he showed me personally away. And everybody's like he's up here hiding out. Right? You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. So just had this lore about it.

And, you know, like... Were there metal head dudes who would come to those marauder shows? Despite being a hardcore show. There definitely were, but they're just hardcore dudes who long hair. What was that? Century Media. Central Media. And, like, you would think with everything else that was on Century Media at the time,

that Master Killer could have been this prolific record outside. side of hardcore, but it's like this well-kept, it's this secret thing where we know it's the best music ever. And obituary knows. And obituary knows. The other thing about Century Media is like that Marauda record came out at the same time as the first 44 Big Block record,

New York Jesus. Amen. Which is fucking, that's my fucking shit. Yes. After. Born human. Yeah, no. Repentance is the song.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's just on like a 70. That's the second record. You're Jesus. Big fan. But yeah, big fan of that. Because like, and personally, right,

um, a dude's top tier when it comes to, like, being a fucking street tough, right? Right? Like, he's fucking psycho. He's a director now and all that shit. But back then, and when I'm starting my band,

he does a band. He's like one of the fucking hardest dudes, but he doesn't need to, like, put it out on music. He's singing about, how he feels. Yeah. And he's not like,

oh, he's singing in his real voice. Like, I'm like, wow. And he got the pipes, man. Like,

I wanted, that's what, that's what I want to be doing. I'm like, and that, but the only reason, like, that band,

the band is great, but the only reason they're grouped into something is because of who that dude is. You know what I mean? Like, oh,

that's beat down or tough guy's stuff. And like, it's not really. It's not. It's real. It's just like, stuff. It's just like you might get beat up by him and his buddies for acting like a fucking fool. So that was a huge influence on me when I was starting the band. Like I didn't

need to pretend like I was something I was not. And authenticity is always the thing that it's the fucking only thing. I was just going to say authenticity is it's impossible to fake. You can't mimic it. So it's like part of the, you know, and I talked some shit on that last night but uh you know um the reason some bands are hardcore bands are because of the dudes in them you know it's a and we talk about this all the time that hardcore music is at this point like you you can fiddlehead is playing this back to back with mind force you know it's it's not as much of like a genre of music as it is kind of a code of ethics among the people involved the the d oi aspect the mentality yeah oh so way back to that then you know

We started doing the Elks. We killed it at the Elks. We worked with a couple other promoters who were using the Isis in church. And all that went. And then that kind of went the way of the dinosaur. Played there one time. Everything kind of broke up. And I took a real, I mean, then I went to jail for the first.

At 30 years old, I went to jail for the first time. My father died, and that caused me to fucking, when people lose their shit, Other people, regular people lose their shit I don't know what regular people do when they lose their shit But when I lose my shit it just compounds and compounds Compounds and I'll let everything go And let everything go and let everything go And then it'll end with a whimper

What cuffs get slapped on me And I'll go do fucking six months or eight months or whatever And that's happened a couple of times But It happened at the table of times but it happened at the table. down to that, I get out, had this new thing going on, and then I started working at a bar called President's Rock Club, and I did hardcore and punk shows there. We had like a free Thursday night where the owner couldn't believe, shout out to Davy Kevill, the owner wouldn't believe that

I said, oh, I need Wednesday night, I need 100 bucks, I need the bands to drink off the rolling rock tap and two pizzas. And he's like, you think you're going to fill it with that? Where are you going to make your money? And I was like, I want 10% of the till. Oh. So he was like, and then so I wanted Wednesday because Wednesday was like a shitty night. And he was like, how about Thursday?

And I was like, fuck, yes. Yeah. So then I was doing like three bands, three local bands. Perfect. 30 bucks. Here's gas money. Yeah. You're going to drink off the Rolling Rock Tap all night.

And here's food. Yeah. Fuck off. This is what it is. Yeah. And it's free. So people were coming. Right.

And then I would just spin my records and do bad quality MP3 downloads between bands and then. 92 KVPS, brother. Whatever. You know, who gives a shit? And we did that, and I did that for like five years. And again, that closed. And then I kind of took a break. And I don't know.

Now we're doing the gatekeeper thing. And that's pretty fun. And I'm numbering those shows because I should have fucking numbered the shows from a start, right? Like, imagine if I fucking numbered the shows from the fucking start. We did a show every Friday in Brock. And there's no way For like four years How can you go back and keep track now?

I don't even know the password To my photo bucket bro We'll figure it out You know what? Me either from that time period I haven't been able to recover that account I don't want to know the pastime There's some things

I don't want to see in my space guys Nothing in there At least I was an adult when that started Like I mean there's definitely some shitty cringe-worthy 20 year old stuff on there But like I can't imagine being a fucking teenager On the internet

It was bad It was bad time I bet I bet. It was a hard. It was a hard journal. I didn't do that. I had a Zanga instead.

I don't know what that is. See, you're better off. I went straight to my space though. Yes. That's true. We just did that stuff for a while there and it was really cool and it was within like city limits of the red line. The red line went right there and we did biohazard there. Have you guys ever heard Unnatural Axe?

You know what that is? What was that? Unnatural Axe is like a punk rock band from. Boston, like 70s, late 70s, early 80s. And the guy went on to be like one of the big wigs at Newbury Comics, which is the independent record store here. So I did that with Blowfly, who Blowfly is, like a dirty rapper. Oh, cool.

And, yeah, we would do weird stuff there. We did Black Sheep there. We did Don't Wait Up. We did the gang vocal social session for Don't Wait Up. for Bain there because they wanted so many people to come do backups. Right. And I wasn't on the inner circle with that band, right? We were buddies, and I was closer with Stu and Bob Mahoney.

R.P. Yeah, RIP, man. That dude was cool. Amazing guy. You have no idea. I taught with him twice, and I love him. Yeah, fucking RIP. So he wasn't in the bed, actually, at that point.

But a bunch of people come to do backups, and I kind of set them up and closed the curtain to the bar and just sat at the end of the bar because I didn't want to like Bogart at their time. I didn't want to assume that I was going to be like doing guests backup on the fucking Bayon record but then fucking wanted to do so it's like oh what are you doing come on this is fucking so cool. So we did that

we did obituary in front of obituary played on the floor and there was no stage at president. You know they love that too. Yeah well well it it kind of goes down like they walked in the drum was mad there was no stage and I was like well we can try to set your drums up on the stage the stage is a two by four

Fuck yeah Okay That's exactly what it is And we can try to get Or you set them up in front And you play on the floor And like It's more or better

And the band was like Iffy about it And then My personal friend Is in a band Called All That Remains His name is Jason Costa And he is again

One of the fucking coolest people Ever And he's the party guy In All That Remains Okay He knew that those guys were playing He comes down He's regular at the bar

He's regular at the bar He just comes in the bar, fucking hanging out all the fucking time. And I literally took a bottle of fucking crown row and threw it to Jason. It was just like, take care of this. He was like, yeah. Once Jason showed up and the whiskey started pouring, those dudes are just like, we're playing on the fucking floor. Let's go.

We did I hate God there. We did a bunch of cool shit, but also like we did an America's Hardcore Fest there. It was cool. And we did one of my favorite shows is Turnstile there. we did turnstile, damning youth, angel dust, something else.

That was the show? Yeah. Easy show for them. Eight people. Eight people, three bits. But why I like this so much is Presidents was in an area where there was 10 bars.

Oh, wow. So as the guy at presidents, I'm going to go and walk around and see how the other bars are doing. Of course. Right? There's a fucking snowstorm. There's a fucking foot of snow on the fucking ground. we're fucking packed out

I got one of my homeboys going through the parking lot once an hour dropping his blade just making just keep it so people can get the fuck out of the parking lot it's a huge parking lot so he's just like doing a loop once an hour it's a snow plow a bleat thank you you're welcome

California sorry so he like uh the sun you know so he would come by and I just like go out with a fucking pint of beer he'd like drive by real slow and be like what a setup just like fucking drive through do the plow a couple of times

and we're packed and like other other managers from other bars are like, what's going? What are you doing? How are you doing that? Well, I'm running shit. You know, I'm doing live music. I'm doing live original music. Maybe feel like hot shit to a bunch of guys

who do like cover bands and DJ. Yeah, right. Can't escape. My dad's still. They got Iron Maidens playing on Saturday. I would love to know, we often do like, who's your big four of like your area, your area

and being such a music-rich city and state. Your Mount Rush is the North East. I would just love to know you're like Big Four of Boston hardcore. From the time I was doing it? All eras. Oh, dude, that's really hard. FUs and Jerry's kids, you know. Oh, dude, we did Jerry's kids there.

That was fucking sick, dude. At the bar? Yeah. Fuck, yeah. And he smashed a microphone at the end, and normally I would get pissed about that, but I was just so excited about it. He did it.

That's fucking cool. Jerry's good. So, yeah. Is that Jerry? Okay, so, top five hardcore records of all time. I'll take it. Records.

Yeah, and this is, you know, clearly with bands, probably too. Blood for blood. Spit my last breath. Of course. Like, I like that one the best. I like there are other stuff, too. Nothing to take away from the more rock and roll years.

But, like, as a fucking teenager that nobody liked, as a fucking geek in the town that I lived in, this was an escape for me, and I was full of the words that they were saying. Two, slap shot 16 Valve 8. It's so fast, and then the fourth song in or the fifth song is the title track, and it breaks into like this weird,

like, da-da-da-da-da-da-boom-paboom. It's like a jammy part, and that's how 16-Val-8 song starts. And by that time on that record, I'm like, uh-huh, to this day yeah yeah yeah

trouble nobody laughs anymore oh the trouble trouble Jerry's kids is this my world and background music wow not what I would have guessed and then the next one is

the 666 family Friends Family Forever Death Before D'S honor Fuck yeah So those are the top six records Big DVD heads on the show here You told me yesterday Another record you love

Oh, are we talking about hollow? Humanity is the devil. Yeah. I mean, that's right up there. I also love that way. It's not a full record. That's an EP. Right. It's very true.

Possibly the top EP. I don't know. The guns up EP, the first one. All there is. Mine, breakdown blacklist is my favorite EP. Yeah. One time I saw, one time I saw... Dude, one time I saw Blacklist,

Breakdown play, after Blood for Blood and everyone left at the rat. And it was like me and... another dude fucking tearing it up and I was like yeah it was a fucking couple sick people it was fucking sick couple of sick people out there hey hey he's following walking down the street with my big Mac hey you ever seen the thing where somebody gives him a Big Mac when you're playing speaking of speaking of that and this is this is I've seen a video of the boss tones covering what's at stake with choke singing okay and dicky like knew all the words knew like the rap part, you know.

And it's one of the coolest videos I've ever seen. Dickie Barrett. Well, Dickie Barrett was, I don't know that dude personally. He's one of the only guys I don't know. I had like a bucket list shit when I got out of jail second time. And I'm like on it is saying what's the stake with Mighty, Money Boston. And I knew enough dudes around them that I go like, it's an attainable thing. I could do this.

Like they do like the hometown throwdown thing. But it's disappeared. The Boston's are over. Yeah, yeah. He's like a truther now. Oh, really? Yeah, that's why they broke up. Hey, the last Boston's record that came out, I fucking love.

It's brand new. It's like two years ago. It's like got songs about the pandemic. It's got a song about George Floyd on it. And the song about George Floyd, right? They have Ben just like dancing and like it's different scenes. And they caught like a ton of slack over it. Like how insensitive.

And all I can fucking think is like, this is a band from the 90s with three black guys in it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you know what Nate Albert does now? He's the guy who wrote the hits in that band. He, I think he works at Capitol Records? He's like an R guy.

Oh, really? I want to say he's responsible for the fucking weekend or something like that. Oh, wow. I could see that. Wow. What was impact unit? Impact unit? Yeah, not a fan of that.

But that was his band. Yeah, yeah. But he had a seven-inch and just couldn't remember it. My dad worked on Kimmel. Yeah. Yeah. When Dickie was the guy. He was big with Kimmel because of Love,

line, which comes up all the time. This is like, we want to, Love Line is the end game for the show to just be that. Oh, okay, we're just take calls from, from insults. Calls and then have our buddy calls and videos from Insoles. And then have our friends. Stop being a fucking pussy and talk to her. Just talk to her. Just talk to her.

Just go. No, I'm back in school. She was like a bunch of young guys who's like, well, I'm texting with this chick and she didn't get back to me. I'm like, did you fucking call her? Yeah. And they're like, why would I do that? Fucking dummy.

What were you saying about your dad? I guess Dickie kind of a, Unconfirmed Twishing Tons guy A little bit So that was big for me As a Boston's kid That's cool

You know Dude those records are awesome And like I've always been a fan of Boston And like very excessively They used to do Five nights downstairs At Christmas

The hometown throwdown And every band that you would want to see It's fucking on it Boston's bruiser's blood or something like that I don't know there was ever a Boston's blood for blood or something like that I don't know there was ever a Boston's blood for blood one But oh downstairs Could have been

So the college radio station here It was called F and X the alternative radio station, but like the independent radio station here. And they would do cheap date night here on Wednesdays and it was $3. Whoa. So I definitely saw Rancid after, after Wolves, right after Wolves came out, it was the last Bruisers opening show, like last Bruisers Boston show. They played some sportsman shows after that.

But before he joined the drop kicks and the two, the two, Toasters, and apparently the Toasters has played the rat before and got in a hubbub with some of the skinheads, and they got beat up. And I remember the guy from the Toasters, like, being like, bus, and you're a very forgivable city. But, like, I saw that. And then I found out after the fact that

the Roots was Radical single. Yeah. The B side to that is recorded. There used to be this place for Apache right there, which was like the place that people recorded. in Boston, and they recorded it right the street at Fort Apache.

It was like a little tangle back to Boston. Another great video that I've seen. This is loosely related, but it's Dropkick and Ransson singing, Take them all together, just covering Coxbar together. Yeah, well, they did that whole, I think they've done like several back-to-back doors and stuff. Yeah, big ones. They played up the street from my house. It was a lot of cops of firemen and stuff like.

It's a weird Rancid might possibly be My favorite band Like You were Yeah He says they're the number one I think

They're the clash of my generation Yeah I think And I can never go see the clash But I can go see Ransom I think it's the It's the record You'll be on the guess list It converts me

I don't know about that And And shout out to my wife For pointing this out If you watch The Ruby Soho video At minute number one Second 38, he says, retarded pita.

That's what he says. I don't know what he's trying to say, but he says, retarded pita. And you're not even, you're not approaching this offensively. This is an objective state. I couldn't believe it. My wife pointed out of me. Audibly hurt.

So, yeah, retarded. It's like how many times can you. I don't even know what a retarded pita is. But he says it. But yeah, I think that that record is, and it wasn't necessarily for me, but I just think objectively, like from my overall. all stance that record was a record that got people from one area of music oh it's a gateway i call those

it's total the gateway that's the exact word i used gateway records yeah uh mighty muddy muddy boston's definitely a gateway record uh around here for my age group a little band called power man 5 000 no shit because it's like new metal kind uh and in boston there's actually three rock radio stations is bcn which is like bcn started as a college style station and then went to like me to like me mainstream platforming, you know. And then there was a radio station out of Worcester called WAAF, and OBCN had Stern, and they had Opie and Anthony. And they had Opie and Anthony first before they were in New York.

Opie and Anthony got fired from WAAF because they said that the mayor of Boston had died. And they went on this whole thing. What's that guy's name? Book of War the World's guy. Oh, Orson Wells. They pulled a prank, and that's what ended up finally getting them canned. But they played heavier stuff, and they would play, like, Power Man 5,000. Honestly, that's good for me.

As a young kid in Connecticut, it was like, Power Man 5,000 in Hapry were probably, like, the same thing to me. Right. Sonically, it was like, this is the same shit. I like this. Spider? Spider. It's the homie spider. The homie spider guy.

He knows who his brother is, right? Albert Zomber, brother. Spider zombie. Yeah. That's right. loyal family. A dead family. Exactly.

Is he still alive? A spider still alive? No idea. Oh, yeah. I'm just calling. So one time in Kenmore Square, they shut down like Comav and Power Man 5,000 played in the middle, somebody got fucking spammed. See?

No. No, great. Might as well have been. Hey, it's the same thing. I don't really remember. I wasn't involved in the stat. I was too young. He's probably just, he's very much still around.

I think he's still, he's got his ear to the ground. And I mean, let's be clear, ahead of their time on. the fucking new metal thing. Yeah, big time. Pervayers, someone's saying. Worlds collide is like even poetically interesting because that's what it is and they kind of

it's a whole thing. How far, where's Kenmore Square? Go over the bridge, take a whole right and we go down like two miles maybe a mile. It's in that last, it's in So Ends our night. And I've always wanted to go. Yeah, we all go down Kenmore Square.

All my friends are waiting there. Troubles brewing whenever we're around. Sure enough. Coca-Cola, we don't drink no booze. away. That's preaching. That's church, brother.

You know what? Come on. Go cold. Uh-huh. We're well past the hour mark here. And if the show is called hard lore,

the show wouldn't be nothing without that story you told me the other day because that's just about the hardest lore I ever did here. Oh, okay. If you don't mind sharing the payoff. No, no, I'll share

it from the fucking start of the whole deal. So, the most recent time I went to jail, I went to jail about seven years ago, and it ended with me fighting some crackheads in the street, the paddy wagon rolls up, I get arrested, I actually took charges pretty much for a couple other guys that, you know, our Boston hardcore dudes and stuff. Shut up! So I ended up going to jail. and I'm in jail.

I'm in Norfolk County House Correction because that violated. I was on probation for some dumb thing. Actually, like a post-traumatic stress disorder outbreak. Like it fucking, and they put me on probation this time and don't fuck up. And I fucked up a year later. Call and goes to jail.

I'm in jail. I get there. I'm up in the cell. you know it's like four men in a cell and a guard comes to the door and the guard is like Campbell and it's me so you come down and um he's like go go in the bubble and the bubble is like a room where you would talk to a social worker or a doctor or a representative your lawyer maybe like it's the go but the bubble is the go between between the cell block and the rest of the jail so I'm in the bubble I go in the bubble and there's a guy sitting 12

feet for me and he's like wearing a white shirt he's a lieutenant. As I know, there's only like four or five lieutenants in the whole jail. There's a captain who runs a jail and a sheriff above him, but this is the guy who day to day runs the jail. And he says to me, he says, who are you? I'm Colin Campbell. And he says, I know you're calling Campbell. Who are you? Now, in my mind, I think back to when Boston detectives were like following us around and trying to catch us doing stuff. And I immediately thought, where are my prints on something? Fuck. I am fucked.

And he's like, who are you? And I'm like, inmate 46, 479. And he's like, motherfucker, I know your inmate 46, 479. And I know you're calling Campbell. Who the fuck are you in the street? and I'm still like this is it fuck

like the FBI is like right out there fuck like and I'm like he's like why have I got 25 fucking phone calls from fucking this guy this guy Ryan Packer knew I went to jail

he fucking told everybody everybody in like that drop kicks Bostones street dogs camp who have friends that are policemen started making fucking calls be like get this

fucking guy out. Like this is the fucking man. So I was like well, you know, he's like, why am I getting calls from me? He started naming names and all this shit. He's like, why is that Al Barr calling me? Why is fucking Ryan Packer calling me? Why is fucking Mike, who can call me? Fuck, what the fuck? Who the fuck are you? And I'm like, oh, dude, I'm the guy

that those guys call when they can't call you. And he was like, what an answer. And he was like, damn, that was sick. I'm going to remember that. And he's like, all right, well, I was like, I just handle stuff for guys when they need help. Like, I help people. And I'm just here because, like, you know, I ended up here sometimes.

And he's like, all right, well, what do you need? And I had only been there weeks. I was like, fucking toothbrush, a cup, a bowl. My hair was fucking massive at the time. I was like, you know, I need shampoo and conditioner. I need shower shoes. I'm like fucking wearing styrofoam. I'm standing on styrofoam plates in the shower.

Like, I mean, he's like, and I was like, and I'd like to get, you know, a book or two. He's like, all right, go back up to your cell and get your dress. on and get your ID. I do. It takes me down the library. It locks me in the library. And then he locks me in the library.

And then he goes and gets me a big bag of stuff. I go back with it. And then I'll tell the second part of that story in a second. Several times, that guy was on duty and Packer would come to the jail. And instead of meeting Packer between the glass or whatever, like, he would take me out and bring me down the library and I'd be able to talk to Packer. in the library like a regular person. Face to face.

Yeah, bring me some snacks and shit and just like fucking chill with my boy. Like, it was fucking huge. And Ryan Packer enlisted Will Blackwood as my lawyer. Shout out to Will. Shout out to Will Blackwood. Thank you, Will Blackwood.

And when Will would come visit me, he would go to Anastakaria, and instead of getting tacos wrapped in silver foil, he would get them wrapped in paper and put them inside his suit and bring me fucking tacos. So Friend of the show I'm in fucking jail

And You know My band is scheduled to play I believe it was a benefit show At the hall that was my father's VFW And all my friends' bands are playing and shit So I call Mikey C and I'm like Yo MC

We gotta go on at 9 I'm gonna call in You know Talk to Scotty I'll call Scotty one of our other our homeboys, and we'll get an eighth inch shack, put it into the red and white thing, and we'll sing, I'll be through the PA. And he's like, done.

So I don't know if you met Maddie Johnson last night, the kid in the blue jacket. I'm not sure. And so he's a small kid in the blue jacket. He's a wild man. He was my cellie at the time, and he's into the same stuff, right? Like, you know, he knew Mickey real well. He's like a graffiti dude. and like I don't know him, but like he knew enough that I was like, oh, this dude's legit.

And yada, yada, yada. He's like, we hang with like two or three other guys in jail, and they're all like, okay. And I'm like, well, this is happening. So when you're in jail, you can do this thing. It's called sitting on the phone. So I make it to the phone at break first. And when I make it to the phone, it means I need to use the phone at 9 o'clock. So you come up or you come up and I'm like 9 o'clock.

And they're like, cool, because everybody. else sometimes needs to sit in the phone to call at their father's birthday or this thing is happening with their friends and they want to pass the phone around and everybody wants to talk to you and you want to talk to everybody because jail is humiliating and it's isolating and it's isolating and everyone feels that way regardless of how else you feel while you're in there it's isolating and humiliating so like a quarter to eight your people are using the phone but you just let them know like yeah I'm on the phone I'm sitting on the phone I'm like for nine. And you use the phone and then you get off the phone

and you come up, you want to use the phone? I'm like, hey, sit on the phone for nine. Gotcha. And dudes are like, yeah, yeah, no problem. It's all in jail people, it's not like, everybody is very respectful because nobody wants to do any more time for anything that happens in the air. Nobody really knows anybody else in their fucking deal and who the real animals are and that sort of thing. So sitting on the phone for nine, sitting on the phone for nine, nine o'clock comes, I call. Hang up, call back.

because like now that's the signal. They hook me up. They put me through the PA. It's like, you have an incoming call from an inmate at Norfolk County House of Correction. And it's my voice. My call and Campbell,

to pick up this call, press one. Press one. I'm like, whoa, people. I'm like, yo, yo, yo. People are yelling. It has to be fucking insane. Like, he put it on speaker so I could hear.

Yeah, okay. Right? Like the phone is on speaker so I can hear what's going on in the venue. And I'm like, yo, blah, blah, blah. You know, yada, yada, y'all. And it's like, all right, Mikey. I was like, he's like, what do you want to do?

And I'm like, slave driver. And he says, scream it. And I'm like, slave! And now in jail, like the cord on the phone is, uh, it's only this long. So that way nobody can use it as a weapon or something. So you have to face the wall and use the phone. So Maddie and a couple other guys, uh, are watching, oh, everybody has jail nicknames. My jail nickname is sex pistol.

Sex pistol? Because, dude, when somebody else calls me sex pistol from across the thing and you're new, you're like, oh, that guy's sex pistol? Why do they call him sex? We're in jail and they're calling that guy's sex pistol. That's a sketchy-ass jail nickname. Because, like, who knows? Who does? Who does that?

Who do you just give themselves a nickname? Like, bro, like, you're not a GI Joe. Calm down. So, like, you know, sex pistols on the mic. And I'm like, you know, fucking dude and slave driver. Like, rah, rah, rah. I won't miss this place. That sucks. He's like, well, so these five guys, everybody who's out in the yard,

everybody who starts to go, because anything that's happening in jail that isn't routine is a spectacle. Everyone wants to watch it. So more guys in the yard come over. Everyone in the yard is now surrounding the phones watching this happen. Now guys from inside, it's a glass wall. They're all seeing the guys outside. They come through and they're watching. People are filing out the thing.

They're like, people are watching. Then the guards come. and I have no idea who's behind me, and I'm just fucking, ah. Do you feel them at all? No, and I just knew that Maddie would have enough wherewithal when the, if guards tried to stop me, that he would let me know to hang up. Yeah. And so then we did slow dance.

We did save for the judge. I think we did one more. And I was like, yo, see you am safe, I'm good. Write me. If they're $10 in my canteen, I'll see you soon. Click. Hang up the phone. hang the phone, I turn around.

Every dude in the block is out there, like, it's like a fucking scene from a movie, fucking guards, everyone's clapping, guards are fucking clapping. And I just like, and I fucking go back inside and just dip out. Now, another funny thing about that is, is like,

a lot of guys think that they're rappers in jail, and like one dude will make a bead on the wall, you know, I'll be like, right? Yeah, other dudes will rap, and then I'll just roll up and be like, they bleed us drop through oil and things. I just like, we'll wrap some fucking see a way there. at them.

We got to get together when we get out of here. We're going to make... Because I already have all these lyrics written. I know the songs, and they're just thinking I'm making it up on the spot. Right, right. He's like, dude, you're prolific. So the next day, the heavy metal guard is behind there because, you know,

he's a dude with a motorcycle. He's got sleeves and a weird beard. And he's all like, hey, everybody is in the office. Listen to that. It's pretty cool that you did that. and everybody, all guards, and that's pretty cool. All guards are checking out your band and stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's like, you should talk to your lawyer

and get the tapes. So we did. So we have the tapes. I don't know what's going to happen with them particularly, but it's out there. It exists. It's in there. It's in there.

It's in there. It's in there. It's in a hard drive on my desk right now. It exists. Maybe if you support COA enough, Maybe you'll earn it. You got to earn it. Just like, so once upon a time, I was watching you play. And the whole country was getting black flag tattoos.

The whole country was getting the bars. They were rampant. It was an epidemic. Live laugh, love. And you made a statement. You said, I see a lot of people getting the bars. I earn these bars. Much like he earned those bars, you got to earn those songs.

So stay tuned, huh? Yeah. That's beautiful. That stuck with me to this day. Cool. I don't think I've earned the bars yet. I ain't getting them. Neither am I.

I got one. The last one is Massachusetts. There it is. What do you guys want to talk about? I want to do one more thing? What do we got? We got, well, if they're, I don't know, what do you think? Round two.

We didn't talk about fast food other than these cups. Oh, my God. Colin, we got to ask you the golden question. Okay. We have a golden question. Seeway's on tour, right? You're flying down the highway. You may be a little late for the show,

but you see one of them magical signs with all the exits, all the fast foods on. Okay. What's making you go, boys, it doesn't matter. Exit this right now. So you're in a mythical place where everything is on. Either coast, any, it's south, doesn't matter.

What is your number one fast food stop touring this country? It's probably Taco Bell. Yes. Friends, strong. The show. Strong. Incredible. But more on.

the band would always pay for one meal a day. Love it. Okay. It's great. We'll figure that out. You know, we lose money. We'll figure that out. But we got to eat.

Everybody's going to eat. And we would always go to Denny's because we know what we're going to get. And I get three cups of coffee. I get a cup of coffee. And then I get a cup of coffee with my meal. And then I get a cup of coffee after. For dessert. I get a nice couple nice cold glasses of water.

And like, it's always Denny's. It's always Denny's quality. You know, it's pretty, the brand is... Always frozen, never fresh. Always open. But reliable. Always open. It's an institution.

If we want fucking moons over Miami or a to dody, fruity, fresh and fruity breakfast, you know where to go. So Denny's and Taco Bell, those are the COA. We haven't had a Denny's yet. That's good, though.

The first Denny's answer. Sam said Waffle House, which is close. That's a great answer. But no Waffle House before 11 p.m. The thing about Waffle House is this. We want to go to the good Waffle House. Well.

No, if you're in an area where they have Waffle house, You got to tell the locals, because you'd be like, oh, where's the nearest Waffle House? And they'll tell you, but you want to go to the good Waffle House. Which almost, that's a unicorn. And they always say, oh, the good one is this one. Yeah. You know. There's an answer.

The good one is not off from the fun one. I've never seen like really crazy shit at Waffle House, but I definitely have seen a woman holding a baby in Smith and a city. Oh, yeah. In a Walth House. Oh, no. We went to a Denny's one time outside of Denver, and we walked in, and there was just no one in. the restaurant. Lights were on. Burners were on.

Everything was on. No one was there. No one in the back. Straight up. Someone left. That's how I do it too. I'm quitting a job. It was a union town, really? They're striking back. The workers are striking back. Boulder's a big union town. Colin, I think maybe we need to do this once a year.

Well, we could definitely do another one. This is the first time we ever done it. You're a natural. You are. You know, I don't really like... I don't know. Like I said, whenever I see dudes doing them they're like pushing it or like have an uninteresting story to tell and I don't want to be uninteresting and I'm not here to push stuff uh C-OA's gonna have a single

out to send on that shit yeah but we we want to push Colin the man yeah you know so we're we'd love to having you on this is one of the this is objectively one of the greatest things we've ever got you just started doing it so well well this is episode 32 is 33 oh wow yeah 33 Larry Bird Baby See? If it's 32, Kevin McHale, you got that fucking elbow brain. This is 33.

This is the Bird episode. This is the Byrd episode. The greatest. Greatest of all time. Scottie Pippen was 33 also. Yeah, but Larry Bird was 33. Yeah. So, fuck off.

Pippin was number two. I mean, he'll beat me in one-on-one. Fuck off, Scott. But Barry. You're in fucking Boston. He doesn't tip. You know that? That's his reputation in Chicago.

Yeah, I've fucking seen him. He never goes to the rim. He doesn't tip it in. Yeah, that's right. That was not his job on the Bulls. That was not his job on the Bulls. That's more as Grant or Dennis Rodman. They're the one.

That's right. We also didn't talk about wrestling. We got a lot to talk about it. Yeah. We're locked and loaded, brother. Colin, thank you so much. Thank you very much for having me, guys. This is folklore brought to you by manscaping.

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watching. This was the best episode ever. Bye. Wow.