HardLore - Criminal Instinct

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

Colin and Bo sit down with Josiah Hoeflinger (vocals) and Kaleb Perdue (bass) from the infamous and modern era-defining hardcore band Criminal Instinct live at FYA Fest 2023. They discuss the early days of CI and 2000s/2010s hardcore in Atlanta which was comprised of stealing, burning stuff, breaking stuff, spitting, defacing stuff, burning stuff, all that other good stuff. Are they past the "dark days" of CI? Find out in this incredible live episode. Follow CI: @futuristicrowdybountyhunter / @keb_er Follow HardLore: @hardlorepod / @colinyovng / @bosxe   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's Hardlord time. How you doing, Bo? It's screaming. You were screaming. Good, good, good, good. That's what I need. So, you know, we're here live for a very special episode at FYA Fest in Tampa, Florida. Very special guests today.

Sunny Tampa, Florida. We've got with us Josiah and Caleb from Criminal Instinct, highly anticipated. Welcome. What's up, Doug? How you doing? What's up, y'all? Doing incredible. Great set.

Do you think so? Do you have a good time? I had a blast, man. Yeah, it smoked it. It was great. Yeah, it looked awesome. Sounded good. It's hard to sound good.

That room is not easy, and you guys sounded good. You made it work. Yeah, apparently, Giann's amp exploded. It did. Heard it still sounded good, though. But it kind of, it brought that kind of southern twang that she got with a little drawl to the guitar that you're looking for, you know? Happy accident. Exactly.

Let's go. Let's go back in time a little bit. Let's go. Because we talk about all the time. We have an expression on the show. The best moshers make the best bands. and both Joby and Caleb pre-C-I were guys that were in the pit at all times for every band coming through, every band around. You guys toured with foundation, whatnot.

You were busy boy. But this is, is this your first real band, Josiah? Well, yes, yes. We were in bands together before this, like a punk band from Atlanta called The Holy Crows. Sick. So needless to say, that wasn't done. The Foursack. Yeah.

Needless to say, that didn't, you know, records weren't flying off the fucking shelves for that. Over 600 sold in Cheboygan? It's in double-digit listens. Okay. But, yeah, this is the first band I was ever in. After years of, like you, our buddy Brody King, there's fucking Carl the Mosher, go way back. There's guys who are just around who everybody just kind of knows from being a local,

piece of lore who eventually start their band and it takes off and people react to it. The CI demo was like a, it was like a paradigm shift. It felt like to me. You're still playing some of those tracks. Yeah, from what to what? This, like the kind of the post, like TUI was, was a, they never wound down. Yeah, but realistically in the people's eyes. But the CI demo was, it felt like as a, as a piece.

piece by piece kid, it felt like that, where it's like this, uh, dangerous, straight up hardcore that didn't need to be like textbook definition of, of hard, like, jun, jun, chun, chint, type thing. What was, uh, what were the big, the big four in terms of, like, what CI wanted to be musically? Shit, man. You go first. I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to name like bands as far as like influences. But the band happened very organically. Like me and Josiah have always shot the idea back and forth to start playing in a band together.

Ever since we dabbled in it back in the Holy Crows days, you know. But, I mean, we started jamming him on drums, me on bass in the living room that like Whiteford that you got to stayed at. Yeah, yeah. We had a shit hole. We had a setup in the living room and we would just jam whenever we had free time, just me and him. Really? I didn't know that. I didn't know it was you too.

Just me and him. What we came up with. Like our, we wanted to play fast hardcore. That was hard. And that's like where it started and we chipped away at it. Not easy to do too. Fast hardcore that is hard.

It's not. It's not easy to. I think piece by piece is a perfect example. Piece by piece. Like that was definitely like we love piece by piece. Yeah. Like we, you know. Piece by piece 86 mentality.

Yeah. Like shit like that. That's what we were. Like violent minds. Like that, that sort of like. bass tone and that like cranking bass, that was one I was like, I want my bass like, you guys and play drums, shark attack. People don't want their

bases anymore, you know? They want them to sound like guitars. They sound like guitar. They sound like guitar. It's bullshit. In hardcore, I think a bass should sound like that. Not in every application. Okay, there was a period of time where like the Sanzab was frowned upon, but it shouldn't

be. Well, okay, but do you remember when the Sands Amp was like, everyone? Everyone. Shipwreck era guns up, like, blacklisted? Sands Amp was like, that's all you played. tone. And also, I didn't want to go that route. I had an OG, like, rat pedal, and I was like, this is my tone I want. So I played bass.

Is that where the name came from? Actually, it's not. But that's a, that's a, that's a, let's talk about lounge rat, the origin. Where'd that come from? Because I don't want to gloss over Whiteford. I want to get into that. Yeah, I know. Oddly enough, lounge like lounge rat came from Holy Crows. Days. Wow. Yeah. So it goes back. You were driving around in a Winnebago after a three-day, uh, fucking southern

tour three shows in North Carolina. It was a wacky weekend. Sure. Everyone remembers the wacky weekends. This is a Holy Crows band weekend? With lewd acts. With lewd acts, actually.

Oh, really? Ludex plays, yeah. Yeah. I was like 15 or 16. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah, we would,

every time that band would come through, we would just play a weekend with them. That's so fucking weird. That was the purpose of our band. Just to play with them. They'd play three shows with Ludex. Yeah. North Carolina.

I feel like the real Jobie's coming. Throughout this next hour, you're going to see this man transform into something, the likes that you've never seen before. Whiteford, let's talk about Whiteford for a bit for a bit. In terms of the touring scope of this show,

Whiteford is like, if you're going to Atlanta, you're probably going to stay there. Definitely. Let's get into it a little bit. You're not stoked about it either. You're, you know,

you might not fall asleep or want to fall asleep, but you're going to have a memorable experience. You got stories. Yeah. Let's get, what do you, what's your fondest recollection of Whiteford? Oh my God. I can't. I live there seven years. I can't like get in. It's like, we shared

a bedroom there for a minute. And then I lived in the living room. I've lived in every room in that house. And we had, we had bunk beds in one of those motherfuckers one time where Ryan Wood, Atlanta, Florida, legend lived in, like lived in the top one. I mean, he was not the top bunk.

he was he had the one he had the one that was above the couch you won't sleep I was I was top bunk he couldn't get on the top bunk he's too big I'm sorry I actually I think you're right now that can never work I get wishful thinking yeah imagine what up there I've done I wonder what percentage of people watching listening have done the like curtained off living room that was me for a hundred dollars I've no I had fucking thumb tacks in the ceiling bed sheets yeah exactly and this is already after having a room at some point no I never had a room in Yeah, there was like a, the living room went from room, uh, living room to room,

living room to room. Okay. Yeah. I slept in that kitchen halfway half. Yeah. The kitchen slept pretty good sometimes. It was good, the good floor, you know. That motherfucker was basically like the aisle of misfit toys for like young bucks at the time.

Yeah. He was the first one to properly move there. I would just like, I was like the weekend warrior there for me. Yeah. I was out. I moved out when I was 17 and moved in with Thomas, Champ and Eddie, Shiro. They had that house and they were letting me crash on the couch. I think Eddie Belled and Ryan Wood moved in and then me and him started sharing a room

together which went on for multiple years. That was the first wipe for and then remember the one next door, the McMansion. Did you go to the second one? Of course you did. There's a six bedroom house. And that was where the classic vines of Terrorizing Sims came from. RIP you do. Great time.

You'd Vine era and that house together is like... Sims is someone to be respected. Sims? Yeah, shout out Sims. You gotta give it up to Sims, man. He's a gangster. He took it all. He punished his way into everybody's hearts.

And now here he is thriving in the world. Well, how about this, man? Like, he was obliterated mentally and physically. But then just made, but just like, yo, fuck these motherfuckers. I didn't see him for like four or five years. We got a whole life for himself, dude. He's a celebrity. Got clean.

Straight up. He's a, he's a made man in Atlanta. It's a known face in Atlanta, dude. Unbelievable. I walk down the street and get spit on, unless I'm with Sims. I'm telling you. Good. Good for Simmons, man.

Yeah, I love the one of you waking them up with like a chipmunks record playing at like 45. It's just sounded like Chipmonds. All of that said, all of that said there was some incredible things. Some content. Some incredible content created. Yeah, that's good. I don't want to burn them out live. Sure.

Sam's you did great. Okay, we're very proud of you. There's great stories. we can, we can, off, off air. Did you, did you tour on the CI demo at all? I mean, defined tour, I guess, right? I mean, no, we totally did. Yeah, we did.

Like, we proper tour it off the demo. Solid Bond Records. No, no, no, no. That was fever. The fever of solid bond. The demo is self-released. Ryan Wood Records paid for it. Ryan Wood Records.

Came out the mud. I sold him a red Crown of Thorn City that I said I'd never sell. But because it was in, I guarantee you he gave it away to somebody. That's cool. He's already resold it. See, that's fine with me. You know, I wanted to. to keep going down the line until it gets back to me.

Yeah, the, well, I guess the first, like, tour we did, but the demo was with Root Awakening, right? Was that the first shows we did? Was that when you got Salmonella and actually didn't do the vocals? Here we go. I fucked around and ate some brazed wings in New Hampshire and almost died of Salmonella because I was just letting it ride. We played Boston.

Then the next day we were in Wilkes-Bair. They got a cure for Salmonella. No, it's easily curable Yeah, you just sleep Benadro or something? That shit buffs out. Okay, easy? Easy. But no, we played Wilkes-Bair and I was fucking dying

and um Rude Awakened. He had this guy named Stevie J. with him and I was like, dude, I'll just take a shit ton of your pre-workout and be able to get through this set. So like, I just took God. I forgot about that. I took God knows what. Powered through the set and then we were just throwing up for hours and dying and

shivering. We get to Syracuse and I was like, dude, I'm fucked up, man. I'm fucked up. We go to the hospital and they're like, dude, you were like half a day away from dying of the most curable disease on the planet. I didn't believe it when you told me. I thought you were fucking.

Yeah, they had to pump my shit. Really? Dude, it was gnarly. Yeah. And so I didn't sing for the rest of the tour. How are the wings? The wings? They're good, man.

I would imagine you can be. I'd do it again. It was like, shout out Josh Heinz for trying to fucking tell me. Yeah, shout out Josh Heinz for trying to feedness. Yeah, fucking chicken chishimi. Still delicious. Chicken tartar. Yeah.

Oh, good for you. All right, now fever comes along, and for lack of a better word, ignites a fever. It was like a second paradigm shift with the same band in the same era. The song fever was like as inescapable within hardcore as the fucking, what's the Luminaires track? It was as inescapable in hardcore as that. To this day, I mean, you just, did you close with it tonight? it's a closer that's a big time that's a that's a permacluster we used to open with it though well that's a grand opener too i know what that's all you put your heads there and a closer

then i'd say you know you're a good one that's what called a masterpiece you can't you can't let them put you in a box so that that was solid bond records jerry carman won and done right it was that true well one and done yeah oh how that go i mean everybody involved is a fucking jackass us included you know so like that was a I mean the fact that anybody

even heard the songs is astounding he did I mean the distribution was great because the song is out there let me tell you that's true it's out there

so good job Jared yeah we we played a record release show without records but that's so we sold the sleeves the sleeves to the records and everybody write down

their email saying we said we would send the records out and uh public apology. I had a piece of paper with a damn person walking

that has that record. I can vaguely remember loading out and you just started loading out for the night. Had a great night. We looked down. We see the piece of paper

with all the stuff on it. We just keep going. Yeah, we left it on the floor. Oh, it never left the building. No, dude. Now this is the real CI. We were young, man.

Dude. We were you. We were younger. We were about the same age. We were 20 years old, man. Oh, that's. 20 years. old in that the way like everybody

acted in the south at that time it's just like soulless dude yeah you know half a human that like not sending out records that people bought is like we're basically four age for that I mean that just that's the best thing we've ever did that that that etiquette just stopped yeah you know you

are so lucky to the people that were in records now but you get it in six months you should be thanking God every fucking day because that's a new thing we at the record release show is incredible where was it the fever record release at the fucking MJQ, dude. Best, best venue in the southeast.

Both of you have had to have played with. MJQ? MJQ. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's actually closing down. Us, Harm's Way and Convicted went to the world of Coke. Coke world.

That show was fucking sick, dude. It was the title fight. No, it was. Record release or something. No, it was Foundation when the smoke cleared record was. That show was fucking awesome. Record release. Title Fight played and then Harm's Way and Convicted played.

We all had bellies full of Coke. What a great day. Full heavier? Fucking, yeah. Well, like Coke World, dude. You're trying to around the road. Bullshit and all this stuff. You spit or you swallow?

Come on, brother. Coke. Yeah. I know the answer. Swallowed every drop of that delicious stuff, but felt awful. Good for you. You want to talk about where you met these two fellas? Well, you go back to that.

I met Caleb much later because on the foundation tour that we met foundation and like the Atlanta guys, it was still wildcat. That's right. I met you in Chicago, I believe. Yeah. Like while we were like stopping through. Yeah. And you like took, you like put us up, took care of us, and they knew you through that tour.

Did you put them up? That makes perfect sense. You did? Yeah. When I actually, the place where I lived with the curtain off room just before the curtain off room. So you answered the door when they called. Yeah. Wow.

But yeah. You and I met on the tour that we talked to Celie about on that last episode from For the Children. Oh yeah. I would listen that. Did you like it? I don't know. He texted me, he praised me A hell of a podcast, too.

Dan Sili's one of my best friends. You guys know that? I did. I did know that. Caleb's my best friend. Is that true on the record? What? You're going to have a lot of people maybe,

or like, yo, what the fun? That was like fucking 14 years old. That's Chris. That's Chris for me. He's, I've known him since our first band. Numero uno in friendship. That's right, dude. Our Lude Axe was modern life as war.

I can't gloss. Nathan Blev is my best friend. If I didn't, if I didn't interject with that there, I'd get the meaning. text you ever seen. What were you saying about Lute Axe? I was saying that me and Chris were in a band, Double Cross, and our Lude Axe was Modern Life was, it was like, oh, we're doing a weekend with these guys that we don't

really know, but we're out there, you know. Was it the Dead Ramones, fellas? Sure is. Yeah. An era of hardcore, I don't miss. Cornfed. Corned. Very corned.

Corned melodic H.C. To be a band that people know of from Iowa, that's something. You did something. A good job, you know? Yeah. For sure. This is where Iowa is basically the reason this fucking show is the end of the day. Yeah.

Fuck. How many, well, we talked about the, the, that tour with Seeley, so I don't want to like beat a dead horse. Yeah, but this is a whole new perspective here. So let's talk about Rain Fest. Yeah. Remember Rain Fest? We all stayed in that one house, some house. Oh, wait.

Was that the dude that kept singing the entombed part over and over again? the demon part dude John Lopez this kid sucks so fucking bad yo was that guy Moser that fucking douchebag

from Atlanta we stayed at this fucking loser's house and every time John Lopez would go when n n n n n the guy would just

scream from his bedroom I'm not kidding man oh my god but yeah we all stayed in that house and then at that rain fest is when everybody had to hoof it from the cops for jaywalking what

dude they were writing them like they were going Oh, that's true. It was pathetic. This is Tacoma era, right? Tacoma ruthless. We, I'm not even joking. I was standing across the street at a crosswalk with a walk side. And I was like, officer, am I good?

And he's literally, he did a, you tell me? What the fuck? I cannot afford $20. Yeah, dude. You know what I'm talking about gambling a little bit? We gambled a little bit. I don't know if you were there. No, I did.

I had to use Reggie McAfrety's. ID to get into casinos. Okay. Do you have dice on you right now? They're in the merch area. I feel like a live game would be... Oh, that would be thought. Would be really something.

Us and Vitalo... Could you put in a text to have somebody to bring them? I'll shoot one in a second. I don't know if you really want that to go down. I want it live on the show. Okay. That could be nice. Why not?

Us and Vitalo went to some casino outside of Seattle, like, before the fest. It was like right when we got there. I don't remember if anyone else... was there, but it was like my first time even meeting Vitalo, really. Yeah. And I lost all my money on Blackjack. I didn't really know what I was doing. And on the way out, I put $5 down on 16 and it hit.

Good for you, man. Gorgeous. Big day. Was that your first time? Ever since. That was my first, like, oh. Yesterday. I told him.

You told him? Can you believe that? Can I believe it? I'm the one that led him to the slot. It's true. You did, but first spin? Second. Yeah, I can believe it because I told him to go there.

20 bucks. Eureka gold. Eureka gold. me is brings me back from the dead. It's hell of a lot. I'm a huge. I didn't even gamble last night because I was riding high off that NBA parlay.

Good for you. You didn't end up gambling at all? Dude, I mean, what? Yeah, what's the point? Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, I'll gamble tonight. Eddie Sherrop up to parlay for me for today. I'm just six o'clock it starts.

When did you start getting it into gamble? Dude, what's funny is I remember the exact moment. It was in the Little Five pharmacy. We bought like our first scratch-offs. Yeah. It was $2 tickets called Jumbo Bucks. And I just kept fucking buying them, like over and over and over again.

I don't know how fucking long we were in there. But that was the exact moment. What's the most you ever went off of scratch off? 10 gram. So the lower behind that is... Yeah, I got the date tattoo. Oh, beautiful. Ghetto Josh bought you a scratcher.

And we split one. We split a $10 ticket, $5 each and one 10 gram. Wow. On his birthday. On my birthday. Yeah. Well, dude. And I was like, I think I was like 21, 22 years old.

So we're splitting 10 grand. Like, I thought I was set for life. I'm lucky. I'm like, you know. I remember we went up to this as hardcore that weekend. You blew it the whole thing, right? Oh, dog, in like two days. I was, like, sending wine to people at Olive Garden, like a table still way.

Oh, yeah, dude. I couldn't, like, I woke up and the money was going. Like, I thought I was rich because I knew him. Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, my friend. You know, he's, you know, he's made. At that point, that was like. I know.

I thought we were about to put the whole hood on my back, dude. We were all getting out, dude. Yeah. On the way from Philly is when Jamie's. won a large amount of money. And I was driving and pulled over. The draft king's one. Pulled over and just like yelled.

Like we were all so excited. That's the biggest win of anybody. Your boy wins. Now that's money. That was great. That's put the hood on your back money. But yeah, that was a big win. But I remember pulling over and we were all just like,

like freaking out. Gambling is one of the best things that ever happened to humanity, I would say. Do you know the story of us touring with blind justice? Let's get into it. I guess there's a precursor. to this tour going into it. All right, Christmas Day.

I'm going down to see my family. Happy holidays. It wasn't. It's never really happy holidays in my house. Sorry to hear. It's all good. But my brother gives me a present, which is crazy. I open it up, and it's a...

I'm like, this is crazy. I'm looking at him. This is wild. And he's like, give me the look. The look when you gives you a bunch of... So the first person I'm... I call it Josiah. Let him know that

I just came up on a bunch of Jimmy We called him Jimmy He got Because we're about to go on tour Because I'm like, I'm like All right, cool, yo, I just came up on a bunch of Jimmy Bs go like

It was the snickle fritz of his homies like So it was his bad ones Well said. Yeah, it was just like goofy brother gave me and I'm like Funring throwing to it on Like he thought it was like hooking me up

But it looked It looked pretty goofy You know But I thought Right lighting. And the right lighting, yeah. How to lack their up. I thought it looked nice.

But yeah, so fast forward, you know, we bring them to where. And we're just like, we're goofing around. We're playing with it. Sure. We were rolling with like eight-person games with all the Jimmy. Were they a f***? No, they're just a lot of them. There's a lot of them.

And like, we're just giving them to people, you know, giving people away. Sure. Mostly just giving them to people, you know. Sure. Why not? That's a beautiful gift. And you like, with some jerk off, that's not going to know anybody. Absolutely.

Like the guy the Dippin Dots stand at them all. Yeah, they're out of business. He has dated technology. Did you put Dibbind dots out of business with those. Is that what happens? Yeah, single-handedly. Wow. Yeah.

So Blind Justice. Where do they come into this? What? Blind justice? Yeah. So we're on. This is leading up to a tour with them. Sure.

We played the first FIA. That's when we had. That's when we launched. the Jimmy That was the soft launch of the Jimmy. That was the soft launch of Jimmy. Grand opening?

Yeah. Off the back of that, we did the Blind Justice tour with Cruel Hand. Right? Oh yeah. So it was us Blind Justice Cruel Hand.

Me and Josiah are, you know, cooking up schemes in the back, you know. We got a little bit of merch money. Huge. We're texting Justin, asking what the merch bill is. We're crunching numbers.

Of course. We're getting shit out. Yeah. And we're approaching, we're getting up on a casino, you know? So Josiah is like, comes up with this idea that we should play roulette, but progressive betting with the merch money,

which is foolproof, right? So, like, every time you lose, you double your bet. Double-tripple it. Can't lose. You can't. Some reason we're riding with Blind Justice, right? I can't remember who we were with, but we were with Blind Justice when we were in the parking lot

of the casino, like, screaming at each other. Post. Post. Oh, yeah. I'm skipping a hand. I'm skipping a hand. That's a peer into the future. Exactly.

So we get, I think we get down to about 100 or 200 of the merch money. This is like all our money at this point. And I'm like, yo, we got a bail. We got abandoned ship. And Josiah turns and looks at me. He goes, he looked at me in the eyes and he goes, no, we're not. Like, no, the fuck we're not. That doesn't.

Like, you're going against what we said. I had a deal. Like, yeah, we had a deal. What was the deal? The deal was to make money. All in. And I was like, all right, we have $200. This might get us.

This ain't going to do much. Yeah, you can get $400 maybe, you know? Straight up. But to me, we're fully depleted. Sure. And then we eventually do get fully depleted. Am I right? No, we ran it back.

How do we end up in the front of the casino, though, screaming much? Because we ran it back. We got the money back. But the problem. We got back to where we were. Yeah, we got back to even. but the problem was like how far I was willing to take it and how I made it like this...

That was my problem. I made it this big thing about like commitment and brotherhood. Yes. Like, do we agreed and committed to something, man. Like I really was, yeah, it was pretty insane. Yeah, at this point, everyone in blind justice is they're over the casino. They're sitting in the van. It's snowing outside.

It's like cold as hell. And we're in front of the casino yelling at each other. They're in the van. Just you too. Yes. In the front. hours late to the show. There was a show that day?

There was a show that day, I think. I don't know how it came. I don't know how or not. And they're watching from the van just like, like, what's going on with these guys? Like, these guys, like, we're just trying to go to the fucking show. These cock suckers are going to get in the van. We're going to play this fucking show of luck, you know?

Yeah. It was insane. But that, that roulette game was, uh, the band was on the line there. Right. Like, if that, if that was. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because like, you know, we couldn't pay the merch bill.

and like the way we were living at the time that thing was never going to get paid. Right, of course. And like, you know, everybody on the tour would have been like, these guys are fucking terrible. Like, nobody would want to tour with us. Sure. So like...

Oh, wow. So that was what it's his day. We barely, yeah, totally. We barely got by the skin of our teeth and stuck out of the rest of the tour. So how did the game? Are you won? Yeah, we're Gucci, dude.

Band survived. Band survived. He bounced back. Show was dog shit that night. Sure. Like, I think we were screaming at each other, like, at 9 p.m. at the casino.

know, like load him was at five. Yeah. Where the fuck are these deal does? Room temp. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. We weren't getting Little Caesars at that point.

Dude, that was. They weren't there yet. Did we have this? I can't remember who was even playing in the band at that time. That's something. I actually was playing in the band. Yeah, exactly. It was Luke.

Ah, yeah. Luke Jones. Do you ever meet Luke Jones? Poor best. I don't think so. He'd play guitar in the band for a little bit. Fever era. one tour.

Did one tour, that tour. How do you feel about that? I mean, you know, he only did one tour. Okay. I don't think he'd want to do another one. No, let's talk about lineup changes a little bit. Because, Kail, at one point you left. Correct.

Was it to start abusive power, or did you start abusive power just kind of coincidentally? Abuseeor was already starting. Okay. Yeah. I've always wanted to do a band like that. And I was already jamming with Lucky and Halen at the time. And just kind of, I had some old riffs. Cream Daddy, Lucky.

Many people ask us all the time. Do an episode with Cream Daddy. Really? Yeah, are we throwing on the bus here? It's crazy because the dude's not funny. I think he's hilarious. I love Lucky to death. I do too.

I love him. I like him. I just don't think he's funny. He played in CI. You guys remember when he played CIA? Oh, wow. He was like proper playing shows. Okay.

But I started AOPP. I've always wanted to do a band like that. I've been like a huge outspoken fan. It just came together with Hayland and Lucky. What year did C-I start? 2012. Maybe 2011. 2012 when the demo came out, but 2011-2012.

Were you guys in a tent? And this is dabbling, I think, with foundations before you were playing with them. But I'm sure you guys were at the United Blood where they played it. It was still daytime out. Yeah. The T-shirt one. Yeah. The T-shirt year.

The Lian Life for a year? Yeah. Well, it was just like, oh, this is the biggest band in the genre. Yeah. Like, it was great. Which is so interesting because they had these waves where they, and then they did a tour with comeback hit, and it was like. That killed the band.

That killed the band. I remember. I remember. That's when you stay with me. And then. I went up with you to Madison. And then they go out as this like generational once in a lifetime band, you know? The last show was one of the craziest thing, the last one.

Yeah, one of my favorite shows ever played. Yeah, it was a great one. So Beasie Power comes along. You clean up your act. You're singing in a band. C.I. keeps going. I think it's common misconception. I didn't, like, the thing is, clean up my act.

Is it? Come on. I've always been the same person. Of course. I have multiple sides. I know you do. I'm a caring person. Yeah, yeah. But I've done crazy things to get where I am.

You're layered. I've done a lot of things to get where I am in life. Sure. And I've had to do some shit I'm not proud of. Okay. But. Are you proud of? of abuse of power?

I am proud of Us to Power. It's a whole different side of me and I do love that band. Is it done? We're done. We were going to do the last show but in 2020

we all know how that went. Great year. Great show. Yeah. I just tell people it happened. Oh, okay. Like people asked me about it

like, it was like March 17th. Yeah, it was awesome. You wasn't there. You wasn't there. You wasn't there, bitch. You wasn't there, bitch. Yeah.

But I love doing that band. shit went hard yeah we did some some gigs together that's why I coined Scott's tots Scott's tots that burn you I'm telling you though

that burn still stings that's a good burn really it's a good one please please it's not you it's not even a burn yeah well it was just a good like it was a good joke I think that was the moment

I was like fuck he's really funny no no no the shows were terror got to say abuse of power yeah and every day terror got to the show and Scott found abuse of power

and you know he'd just be like outspoken you know so they were yeah he'd say bands to us that we loved yeah and you know he did the same thing to me

when I was 15 he would just come up to me whisper dying breed yeah yeah he would yeah he would uh he would be clear

he didn't really like he wasn't really fucking with me on that tour he really liked you and Joe I mean hot you know he's just there's he's magnetic he's the biggest Scott's top

I have one in mine it's that ever the Justin Aladea guy I I was going to. Justin's not the biggest Scott's time. Oh, you meant in general. They meant out of the band.

No, no, no, no. No, you know, for sure. Like, yeah. But I, June is my top. Have you ever, you were toured with Scott and Chris Smith? They're kind of two halves of one hole. It's unbelievable. Yeah.

My favorite time. Yeah. They literally do. So you moved to California shortly after that, right? Kind of like during it, I'd say. Yeah. when aop was it a reaction to Caleb leaving was it a lot

was it a reaction to Caleb leaving the band yeah dude I gotta get out of here I gotta get a job in California do we talk about your job a little bit because I think a lot of people would be fascinating yeah yeah I would love to you

want to segue to that right now let's segue to that right now then we'll get back to you moving to California yeah I'm a copywriter I write scripts for commercials and like social media copy for commercials large brand concepts and activations and stuff

the real life Don Draper As I call him. Did you not at one point write for Hallmark? Did not write for Hallmark? No, but the Sprint guy, the Verizon guy going to Sprint. It was me and my team, yeah.

That's a Joby original. Wow. Congratulations. I think I saw a Honda Bruckus thing you did. Some print ads, yeah. Those were good? Yep. Those are cool.

Those are good stuff. If you go to Grey Goose social media, I was there for a minute. That was all, Joby. Corona. What's the biggest one? the biggest spot I've done I did some spots for 7-11

with Dak Prescott quarterback for the Cowboys I'm working on some stuff now which is fucking corny as this is gonna sound I don't think I'm allowed to say what it is but I'm working on some big spots for Corona right now are big things coming

are big things coming in the room is about to go down no but like as fucking lame as that sounds like legally I'm yeah it's fun it's a real job it's your child

people ask us all the time like what do people in Markor bands do. And that's one of the ones that I think about where I'm like, people don't know this, like, you know, objectively, like, peripherally a degenerate gambling guy who is like probably beat up one of your friends. And that's fine. You know what happens is also this like business professional guy in the regular real world.

It's impressive. Only in hardcore can stuff like that happen. I know. Good for you. So you moved to California for this job. I did. I started working with my brother. Did you meet my brother when doing the LP, kind of?

Yeah, we were, well, so it's funny, that LP only happened because King Nine, so we were supposed to do a split with King Nine, and we had basically the A side of Zone 6 music, more or less written, right? Yeah. But King Nine, as you know, is like a, you know, 10-year, 10-year writing process for. And then it was discussed as being maybe a three-way split, a C-I-K-9 and God's-A-Hate thing. I believe that was put on the table. There were many transformations in this.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. There's a lot. There's a lot. That version. Yeah, but then none of it happened. So we ended up. And these are the first songs without Caleb in the band. That's not true.

Is that not true? Not at all. You were in it? Zone 6 music? Yeah. Yeah, he wrote it with him. He was in the band, but like we were kind of beefing a little bit during Zone 6 music. Like writing it?

Towards the end of writing that LP, we were not fucking with each other. I was over it towards the end. is on 60s. Absolutely. But we fully wrote that record and I tracked it at Taylor's, you know? Yeah. Because you've expressed, maybe the vibe of YouTube beefing is why you've expressed to me that it's like, you're

disappointed in it in a way. Yeah, my honest opinion, that record should have been an EP all day. I think it's mainly A-Sy. I think you can hear like kind of the later songs where it's short enough for that, it doesn't that you don't really, you don't have to think of it. I don't know. Like, to me, that's just our weakest material because we weren't as

tight and not fucking with each other heavy to where like we probably weren't being totally honest about feedback and shit like that. Let's just get this fucking thing down. Yeah. At that point in the band, we were bumping heads at most every junction. To say the least. Like it would be like, all right, I ordered merch. It's like, all right, cool. What size did you get?

It's like, oh, I got like, you know, this many this, that's like, what the fuck? Like, brother. Don't get off. Instead of a conversation. Totally. Yeah. It's just, everything was just accusing things. You fucked up again.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we were, yeah. We were on like eight years of friendship at that point. Yeah. Yeah, it happens. Yeah, we didn't. I think we didn't fuck with each other there for like a year, year and a half, maybe two years.

Like active beef? Wow. I mean, beef is, is a, that's a way to say it. It's a very strong word. We weren't fighting each other ever. That's, and that's kind of. We did not like each other. You know what I mean?

Um, but then like, I mean, like, not to get too sappy here. Like, I'll bear the lion's share the blame on that. I was on a, I was on a sick one for. a couple years there. To say the least, I was on a sick one. You're not now? Hell now. Okay.

No. Good. I'm Tony Robbins in this bitch now. Okay, good. Break up, say something inspirational to this camera. Well, I have a segue for that. Actually, hard for. Oh, yeah.

Dude. Oh, my God. I loved that. Now, well, let's close, let's end with that. Because that's like a whole other worm we got to crack. Because that, anytime I listen to, I'm like, what the fuck is this guy's problem? But that's what I'm saying, he's inspirational. All right, talk about it.

Do you want to get to it now or the end? Get to it now. I want to get to it. Okay, fuck it, let's go. When did you like, because I messaged you when it came out. I told you that I liked it. Yeah, man. And I like, and I have always wanted, like, where did that come from?

Obviously, you always had like a love for that kind of music. Tell the people what it is that you're talking about real quick. How would you describe it? It's a solo project. Yeah, well, me and my little sister. Josiah Daniel. You and your little sister called Josiah Daniel. Daniel and it's country folkie yeah yeah yeah I think that's a safe yeah it's one of

those things where it's like I don't want to kind of I don't want to put it in a box country folkie is a good like that's a pretty broad stroke you know I'm saying so that works did you always have that interest in that kind of music yeah I mean grew up with yeah well it's funny like I think I kind of got into it probably around like 12 13 because my dad never listened to country neither to my mom um yeah i just like started fucking with it like really heavy when i was a kid always listen to it you can see you can hear in c i like we use country music lyrics like people big rock candy mountain all that i mean do the end the end line and fever feels like i'm going down

three times coming up to that's a hank senior lyric like just straight up um the whole the whole first verse to world so full is roger miller lyrics from a song called world so full of love um but yeah yeah just always always been a country guy but but never really had like the balls to kind of sings. I'm sure you experienced it early where you're just like driving in a car with him and he just sings along to some song and you're like, what the fuck?

Oh, totally. I mean, yeah, we'd be, I mean, we'd bounce songs back and forth. Like, oh, this is cool. Like, this would be cool for an intro. This is cool. But straight up, always, he would be singing like that just in the car.

Really? Louder than the radio sometimes. So you knew. And it's just like belting. Yeah. It was in there. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I've always told him like, dude, you have a voice for this, you know? It takes. like you said, balls to put something out like that, especially like, I'm assuming you wrote the lyrics. Yeah, do some of, a couple of those songs I wrote like back when I was like, like early 20s and stuff. But yeah, yeah, I wrote all the lyrics, the vocal melodies, like cadences, et cetera. But my sister and her boyfriend, Ryan Quarles, my sister Emma Hofflinger and her boyfriend Ryan Quarles, it's kind of wrote all the music. And the production, the music and the production is like crazy.

It's perfect for what it is. Taylor's actually mixing some shit now. Oh, really? There's more. Yeah, I recorded three songs over Thanksgiving. Excellent. Hard three. Hard three.

That role doesn't exist. But hard four is a role in craps. It's two twos. There you go. Do you have a, just while we're on the subject, give a big four of country. Your country, Matt Rushmore? Man, that's tough, man.

Honestly, that's hard. You could say the highway, man, if you want the easy out. I mean, Patsy Klein, for sure. but even that's like kind of drifts between blues and everything It's a very broad term for sure Kitty Wells for sure

It's an amazing country singer I like James Hand a lot Dude the Road Just a Heart Charlie Crockett did a whole cover record His songs And then Shit man Probably a tie between Hank Senior

And George Jones Hank senior is the easy answer But like this songs are fucking unbelievable You know what I mean It's crazy Interesting get back to Zone 6 music era a little bit. Because Caleb records the record, he tracks it with Taylor.

And he's out of there. Was Champ out of there shortly after? Yeah, basically. And that was when you decided you need to assemble the Monstars? I mean, it was less so that. It was just like who was around, you know what I mean? It's not who was around. It was.

Those are my boys, dude. They just happened to be Monstars. Scull's my dog. Gian's my dog. Monster. Martinez, my dog. Monster. Taylor's my.

dog Taylor monster to me mentally mental monsters but yeah we yeah we played we played shows like and it was cool man but it wasn't like like that era was cool but that was like that

to me and it's no distance people because those are my fucking best friends and I love them but like given like the way it was operating I would say that that's like the dark ages of CI yeah yeah because you missed your buddy

huh yeah it just wasn't it wasn't genuine like the band like begins and ends with him and I. Like we all the good all the shit that people like was written by the both of us or was like if not written by the both of us like written by one and heavily influenced by the other being like

yo this part sucks fucking switch this bullshit around so who wasn't around for the Phantom of the Opera? Oh dog that was you know that was a one and done that's a funny story too. Me and him I hate that that song exists man we're jamming at our homie Ian Ian's house and this is going to expose this to Sam Yarmouth it will expose it to Sam Armith just a bit

But we're practicing for a show coming up And then me and Josiah are like Oh yo like we gotta write a song for this That comp and we're just like Oh my God we do When he like he needs it like tomorrow Tomorrow And we're just like

Yes and me and him were like we got this Let's just fucking turn it on Let's jam it out And I think we're just throwing shit out Like I think he I swear to God I think he might have hummed It was my I think he humed it too It was my fault

He might have been watching a lot of theater Leading up to it Big Andrew Lloyd Weber hell. Yeah, exactly. I was trying to think of something dark-sided, you know? That's true. We needed a dark-sided riff. That's true. Yeah. I played those notes, played it up and down the neckles. And he was like,

yes. I've never heard anything like that again. Play it slow, play it fast, and then we'll play like a breakdown version of it, and that's the track. And that's the track. It's one of my favorite tracks. Dude, that bitch was out the door in a week, and it was on the fucking comp. But here's the thing, the Phantom of the Opera song, one of the goats, dude. You like that song? I love that song. You know what? He was telling you. me that a couple of other people say it to you.

I've had people come up to you and that's the song I get asked about the most. Really? They ask me, they're like, do you know it's Phantom of the Opera? And I'm just like, I'm like, what? Yeah, I asked, yeah. When I, when somebody first broke it to me, I was just like, no, dude. It's straight out, it's literally. It's a bed.

It's a, da, da, da, da, da, da, it's the fucking. Dude. I was so fucking bummed me. Who else is doing that, you know? I'm not a, not a damn, not a damn. That's it. Good for you. I was so bummed when that dawned on me.

But I remember how old were we here, 24? You were young. What was the solo riff? Oh my God. See, that's the thing. Don't feel bad about that. Because when we were recording, Twishing Tongues, gaining purpose.

Taylor, so psyched to show me this solo, he just did. He's like, I got it. Check this out. Plays it back. It goes, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I pressed space flow. I said, well, you can't do that because that is smooth by Santana featuring Rob Thomas.

No way, dude. Note for note. Yo, good song. That's incredible. Great song. That song reminds me to go to the billboard church. It was a hot one. It's straight up hot song.

I want to hear that version of that song, though. Dude, that's incredible. I'll see if it still exists. I'll see what I can do for you. That's fucking fun. So when do you come back in the band, Caleb? Let me think How does that conversation go?

Tell me about the first time where you were like Hey Hey man I mean no I What's up? I reached out You know the thing is me and him were like It wasn't like

Squash and then back in the band It's like we did squash it There was a period where it's squash And I still wasn't in the band But we were still cordial and like You know we were good You're sure? Yeah

Yeah I mean I was I just reached out I was like yo though I was on some serious fuck shit man Like yeah straight up Yeah And I kind of just left him hanging too, though, because it was like this thing we built together, I wasn't feeling it anymore. It stressed me out. I just bounced. I wanted to wash my hands. I went to play bass and you were stressed out. Playing bass is the greatest gift. But also writing. But it's a band of just two people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, tell me about it. You know, you know it is. I'm sick of it. I would love to join a band where people are like, here's the songs. Can you imagine that? Yeah. I mean, you've done it. We've done it for you. Midnight Suns, we were like, you know. Here you go. That's true. Come on in.

The last one I had some influence on, though. You did, because that was something where because you moved, it was a five-da-de-de-de-eventum situation. Because you moved, the demos were the record. This is some hard lore. Wait, what are you talking about? So the last Midnight Sun's thing, those were the demos. Those were recorded to be like, okay, we'll go back and do these. But then you were moving, so we didn't have time to do that.

So I didn't play drums on. Dude, not to fucking jack myself off here. Jack it off. That record fucking rips, dude. Both of them do. I like them both, but that next one I fucking love you. Dude, the first one is like one of my favorite personal drum performances of mine. Yeah.

Everybody's jacking off here. It was you two, Taylor. Andrew Morrissey. Dude, Andrew Morrissey's a fucking real one, too. Yeah, Crane. That's a sick-ass band, dude. You should play again. Who should play again?

Yeah, we'll play again. Yeah, we'll play again. again to, you know, three people watching. Three people. We played what? We'll play with the fucking sound guy again. The third time we played, we're in C-sharp. Andrew Morrissey was in C. And everybody's looking around like, who is it?

And Andrew's like, it's like a hard thing to pick up on. Dude, something's wrong. I know it's not me. Remember when we opened the toy drive at like 9 a.m.? All there was missing was a fucking breakfast buffet. We needed the continental breakfast. We played with a couple more people. Not a soul.

We opened United Blood, too. That was at least like palatable. There were a couple friends. Not that any of them were bad. It's just funny to talk about. It wasn't like a real band. It existed for, we were just having a good time.

We've all, we've all. Island time. Things. We've all done that. Oh, yeah. It was five fans of gambling coming to pay tribute to the act of gambling.

We played House of Blues at Las Vegas once with At the Gates and we had to start before Doors. Heard about this show. Before Doors. Oh, this? Disney. There was Las Vegas.

Oh, the Vegas one. So it was literally like five till, okay, you're on, and then doors opened at five. Around the hour. And people are walking with their hands up, like, who was happening? Signed off on that. Somebody.

Music sucks. It's crap. Holy shit. That's a lot of things. Where's your favorite place to gamble? Aria, Las Vegas. Yeah? Easy.

Very next. No question. Best food in Vegas. Park MGM though. You think so? Agreed. I was shooting craps in there with my shirt off.

Taylor's wedding. Do you, I think, did you come, from Taylor's wedding? Huh? Did you leave up? I was ruined after that.

I think I'm the only person who walked out of that feeling good. It was eating baked beans for like a week and a half. I was driving home singing Josiah Daniels songs. Jesus, man. I think the only time I've ever left

Las Vegas up was the MGM. And even then, it was just a couple hundred bucks. Well, MGM. MGM proper. People don't really go there no more. Oh, MGM proper? Yeah.

Interesting. Big ass gold lime. Yeah, we don't know that thing. Went there for Deonté Wilder, Tyson Fury, too. Oh, shit. Coolest live thing I've ever seen in my entire life out of music, anything. That's the one? Un fucking real, dude.

Fury lost, right? Fuck, no. I thought they did three. Knocked him into the shadow route. Okay, he hasn't lost. Yeah. The third one. Wait, Deontte won the first one, too?

No, so. It was a draw. It was a draw. Deacon. Deontay, like, flatlined Tyson Fury, and then he, like, just somehow revived himself. And it was a draw. And then that was like, it was like he figured Deontay out. Yeah, he beat his fucking ass the next two fights.

But not without, I mean, he got dropped a few times, but he just dudes a gangster. But you were at the first big, like, oh, shit, he got it. That was unreal, dude. Our very generous and amazing friend, John, who picked that out. John the God. Dude. Paulier. They carried out Tyson Fury on a third.

throne while Patsy Cline crazy was playing. Fuck. I mean, like, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life, dude. Do you want to talk about beating people up a little bit? You want to get into that? I mean, I don't know. It's part of your culture at this point. Do you have a favorite guy you ever beat up? Oh, my God. That's insane, dude. What an insane thing you say, dude.

Like your favorite guy, where you were like... My favorite guy. Yeah. Like a guy I liked that I had to fight. Shout him out. Shout him out. See, this sucks We don't have to talk about this I mean, I'm trying to think if there's even Like a funny answer

Is there a guy that you beat up Where after you were like, he's a pretty cool guy actually I think Well, that's cool Yeah There was a Well, there's a funny Let me, I don't know

I'll do funny Yeah, that's fun Yeah, we'll get it funny Yeah, yeah Remember outside of Lundanueva? Is that in Atlanta? Yeah, we played. Yeah, yeah, yeah

On the back alley? Check this out We played a Mexican restaurant while families were eating as far away. And then a big fight broke out. That was a huge fight broke out. You were just playing places like that. Dude, so we go out back and this poor bastard, you know, was not being, was not getting a fair fight. Sure.

But he was standing over there. And I was young, man. So, you know, I was motivated. This was a long time. Yes. Everything in my life was motivated by, like, looking crazy at that point, right? So I see him over there. I was like, dude, I'm going to jump in Lou Kane, this motherfucker.

in the face. You were talking about doing that to someone for a while. He was talking about how he was wanted to do it for a while. We would drive around and run things by each other. You know what I mean? I was like, hey, what if I do? Like the backup wide. It's like, Bicycle kick or no?

Jump in the air, dude. I see this motherfucker. I was like, this is it, man. Like time for the time for me to be on the front of Sports Illustrated. I run and jump completely miss him. He's wearing brass knuckles and just fucking smokes me, dude. I couldn't over my mouth for a week. Wow.

Oh, wow. That's not. You know, you talked about a loss, and that's big. I'm humble like that, though. I'm so humble. I'm so humble. It's insane. I mean, not for nothing. The entire common thread of this conversation so far has been you owning up to stuff and, like, reaching out.

So, yeah, I would say, like, dude. You got anything else to, like, apologize for? Not a damn thing. That's right. It was us and weekend nachos at a fucking Mexico. Yeah, that restaurant was awesome. Yeah. Twitch and Tuts and played there, too.

That's right. Did you want to play that? Did twitching tongues play that show? I think it was shortly thereafter. No. It was that was with that. We were there with Soul Search and Minus, I think. Was that a different show?

Didn't someone fall off the stage at that show? The mic stand was a two by four. Yes. I do remember that. I do remember. It was some motherfuckers like nailed to some. Now, now there's fucking, we got five micstand. Now people are crying when mic stands get broken.

That is true. You ain't ever held a two by fours getting splintered while singing these songs. Getting shocked. in fucking... Oh, shocked. You ever been shocked? Fuck yeah. Dude, they have the French.

Shit done changed. When you're holding your talk. You put your lips against it. So who do you guys do when you're on stage as a guy? Who do we have sex with? What is this? The COA question. CLA gave us this question to ask people.

Oh, like, who do you do? Yeah, who do you imitate? He said he did choke and Rollins. And Rollins. Those are who he does. I mean, I want to be Lemmy. Yeah. hard to do

obviously you need your mic but that bass and just like that yeah who doesn't want to be like I know but absolutely nice good answer

good answer anybody specifically who you try to do when you sing I mean that I actively think about no it's not it's

I mean I guess the real question would be like who did like what front men did I think was cool yeah yeah shit man because it's

it becomes a subconscious thing And you have a voice, too, that isn't a screen. You know what I mean? Like, you have a voice voice that I think is, like, unique. I just wanted to sound like Paul Bear. There you go. Yeah.

You just happened to sound like Paul Bear, too. So that's like, that really worked out. I wanted to sound like him, and that's what kind of came out naturally that didn't, like, make me lose my shit afterwards. I don't know. Frontman I liked. Fuck, ma'am. David Wood, honestly. That's a great answer.

Tim, you know, justice. Oh, fuck, yeah, dog. Be killing What great font, man. Unimitatable. Yeah. Literally. Straight.

Teeno justice. Dave Bird. I'm probably fucking his name of from Striking Distance. Striking Distance was one of my favorite bands ever as a kid. That was a band that didn't quite make it to Chicago. Never one of those? They made it to Atlanta once.

Just like catch on there really. But I was 11. I didn't make it. Yeah, I feel like you were in the pit at 1213, though. I didn't get in the pit until, yeah. Yes, actually, you're right, 1213. How old are both of you? I'm 32.

Run it back. Nice. 32 squared. Am gorgeous. Best 31. I'm going on 30. Young gun. 35.

35. I never guessed it. The median is with 33. Yeah, yeah. We're right there. This is one era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is a thing is it's like that tour that we, where we met each other, that

foundation, backtrack, Arms Way, like that era. of 2009, 2010, and beyond. It was like, that is the... That's our golden era. Well, I don't know about that. Oh, absolutely, dude. Think so? Yeah.

She was fucking sick. It was awesome. It was very easy. It was our alpha. It is. I mean, dude, you're just like, I mean, you remember that tour, man? We were just fucking, like,

like, whiffleball. Ransacking outlets. Yep. We've talked about that. We talked about that. We talked about the outlets. I don't think Wildcat... The outlets ain't forgot about you,

but I don't think Wildcat had stolen a piece of chewing gum to they moved to Atlanta. And now, look at him. Well, now he doesn't do it either Who would have to say? Well, in Atlanta, dude, you weren't like, if you didn't steal, you were like a fucking loser, man. You had to do that to be cool.

If you didn't have a jacket, a Gortex jacket that you stole. Yeah. That was the badge of money. Did you pay for that? If somebody found out you paid for that, you would be ran out of town, dude, pitch for it. Unless you bought it from us, though. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And then there's a deal. A whole different story. You love to make a deal. I'm a dealer. You love to come up. I would rely part and make deals with me. Oh, yeah.

There was a lot of, I had a lot of great scans when I lived in L.A. You did good. The Tinder. Oh my God. Dude, what are we waiting for? This is one of my favorite things anyone has ever done. To this day, I feel like there's going to, after this comes out, it's going to happen. There's going to be new laws made to stop this from happening.

So before those laws come out, let's get into Josiah's famous Tinder scan. What year was? when you were really hit. I mean, even that dates back. So when we started doing, it originated from a fake Facebook we made to find some duties. Should you say their name?

What? The name? Erica Moore. No, there were some guy that said some guy that said some weird shit to my girlfriend at the time and we used the fake girl to find him. But then, like, through doing that, we realized like, damn, dude,

this thing is, this is powerful. Guys are desperate. Guys will do anything. And so from then it was like, oh, let's make our friends say funny stuff. And it's like, oh, let's make people go places and buy things. And then blah, blah, blah. And then I lived in Boston. And me and another person in my top 12, Brendan, we would just go sit in a restaurant and just watch like 80 dudes come in and like buy beers and sit around.

But then when I lived in L.A. Which is great business. Like you're supporting small business. Oh, I am starting a coffee shop one day. And there's going to be a motherfucker on burner tinders in the back. Genius. all day one. God.

But, no, it was, dude, it went the hardest when fucking COVID hit. That's, okay,

that's what I thought. Yeah. So basically, yeah, I had the fake girl and I would just, I would get three meals a day sent to my house

by dudes, yeah. A lot of sugarfish. Oh, that's, that's high. That's high. I had to, I had to work on sugarfish.

I had to basically sex, sex men. Yeah, exactly. I'm sucking. girlfriend was like fascinated but dude it's way easier than you think man like if you just

want something quick like walk us through the process a little bit um okay do you pick random just random hot check pictures Erica Moore swipes right on you right I swipe on everybody exactly yeah right of course you get that match you're like holy shit this chick Erica just match really look at her

bro well yeah every guy initiates every conversation that's how only fan works too what do you mean is if a girl has a from what I've heard. If a girl has an only fans account, they'll have a Tinder account and just swipe right.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yes, I know a couple girls to do that. That's a brilliant racket. Yeah, think about it.

No, so I actually, the pictures I use, I'm not going to out anybody. It was actually this girl that I've never met that I'm friends with on Instagram that saw my OG stuff.

And she was like, yo, this shit's really funny. You can use all of my pictures. Amazing. So you got the blessing. What a champ. If she ever sees this,

she'll know who she is. Yeah, champion. I technically owe you like $30,000. I'm not kidding dude that's like about how much money center of 1099 yeah so um what we say oh yeah so how does it go so they match I usually just be like they'll be like you know what's up what's up say some fucking stupid pickup line et cetera I'll be like oh I'm good I'm a little sick like oh yeah we should meet up yeah I would but I'm sick and they're like oh well um they try to I'm trying to remember it all now I'm on the spot but I would always say like I can't first

of all I can't go out and coincidentally somebody hacked my debit card last night and I can't access it for like two days and I'm fucking starving. So I can't leave my house. I'm so hungry and I'm just this sexy ass woman. And immediately. The big three. What can I do? The big three, dude. And so income Superman, you know? And what I would do is I would just give my apartment address and not my apartment number. Right. So I'd wait for the food to get there. I'd go meet the door dash or postmates, you name it. Yeah. Get the food and then just block them on everything before they can report my account. And it worked for three for like three years.

This is getting asked. There's a good little voice involved. Dude, yo, man, it was COVID in LA, dog. Nobody was doing anything. No, you can't do anything. I was descending into madness. And it's got to be like fun. Like the chain.

It's incredible. Yeah, of course. It is the most fun thing. You're a puppeteer. Dude, the waters are going to be rough after this. This has to be. There's going to be new laws. So this, there's no laws yet.

We're good. My favorite thing about it was like, you didn't. post like here's what I did you would post like a snippet of a conversation and then like you with the food and it was just like I had like pieced it together I was like oh my god to this day my favorite

one well there's two favorite ones the one where the guy got me four slices from house of pies and I got to really use some pie and he goes only if I can eat your pie that's what he said that's what he said yeah and then the other one where

the guy sends the pizza and then a minute later you see the message where he goes um so some dude got the pizza yeah so and what did you say like oh that must have been my brother was my roommate yeah what was the doorkash picture like you're just like that was a good time one of one of my i can't believe we didn't even think about that to lebron he's there's a lot of layers to this guy there's a lot that we're gonna miss today. I'm gonna be like, I can't believe. I mean, that's only one dude.

Back in the day, me and him were fucking, we were the gruesome to some shit like that, dude. There's one funny moment that I have that I picture of you all the time, just drying your shirts in my dryer for some reason. I know that you're real big into that. Did that start early for him? Absolutely. Just throwing his shirts in a dryer and getting the wrinkles out?

All the shirts being laid out and spread out. Yeah, totally. I do not fuck with wrinkles, dog. No, no, no, fuck wrinkles. You need it necks for a while, too. I cut out most of the necks in my shirt. for a minute there. I was on a sick one. He's a sick bastard.

He loves the L.A. apparel, thick ass snack. Why don't you wear pro clubs, dude? I will. That's like the tightest neck that's ever existed. Those, what is it? L.A. apparel? L.A. apparel, those necks? It's a priest-comple.

Just a little guy from behind getting. So you know how when the Popeye's like chicken sandwiches came out and dudes were like buying them to like resell them and they like flop? Do you have any stories like that? Any schemes that just... brother. This is another three hours in this motherfucker, dude. Like, what comes to mind of like, oh, man, we got it? And then,

yeah, what bricks you get? I mean, the one... What bricks? What do you mean? What are you're talking about with that? Bricking the term being like, oh, those are bricks. They're not selling for shit, you know? Oh, like a dud. Yeah. I mean, as soon as like one started going down, there would be another one, you know? There'd be another on the way up. But was there anything that was like... Remember when I was trying to hawk that zoo and I stole from some party.

Yeah, that was beat. No one wanted this. I had this fucking Zoom. It was a brown Zoom. Yeah. Oh, man. No one wanted it.

The classic. I had a fucking shit around Zoom. Probably go for thousands now. I stole some fucking like big copier from somewhere. And I was like, dude, this is a cash cow. We're gonna get, remember the

industrial office copier? I think we just sat on the floor. Dude, it was in the trunk of my car. We went to American Value Pond Shop. I was like, this is it, man. like we're in the money they're like dude we don't even want this yeah yeah i was me and some people long like when i was maybe couldn't even drive yet stole a bunch of like microphones and audio equipment from a venue and try we were too afraid to go to a pawn shop what because you

they have to take your one they have to take your idea they don't care they don't give it they don't give a rat test i have no idea you could trade it for sure or that would have been the way to yeah one of honestly one of the best jokes i always was a part of growing up when I first moved into Whiteford. I know what you're going to get into. You guys might even bought one from us. An iPod, an iPod classic. Do you ever buy one from you?

Did you buy an iPad or an iPod from Whiteford? I've bought a few, but not from now. The iPads and iPods were real. Oh, iPads and iPods were legit, you know? This is how I got my start straight up, like, on my own, how I made money to pay for rent at Whiteford. We would go to Walmart. We'd buy a couple iPod classics.

Go home. take everything out of the box, fill them with whatever we had in the junk drawer, the catch-all drawer. We all got one of those. Match the weight. Of course. Deco cards.

We got crazy with it. We put dinosaur eggs oatmeal. Dinosaur eggs oatmeal. I think... You reseal it? Yeah, bitch. Someone put a snack pack in one one time. I swear to God.

Pudding. Pudding. And there's a story where that one ended up. But, yeah. So we actually had a shrink wrap machine. Wow. So Ryan Wood's sister used to work at a video store. So we got a little shrink wrap machine hook up.

And I would shrink wrap them. I practiced a lot for this. I got really good at it. Shrink wrap them back up with whoever's in there. Return them. Sell, repeat. But to the point where I would go to Walmart. Is that even illegal?

That's what I would say. I couldn't even like figure out if it was even that bad. No. I was going to return stuff. I didn't feel that bad about it. If you're Walmart. Yeah, you're Robin Hood, brother. Exactly.

That's how I felt about it. They're hero. I was selling iPods for like half off to kids at shows. That's, it's music. Yeah, that's huge. You're literally robin it. Dude, remember when I drove you to the one when you tried to return three at once?

And they... Yeah, they opened him. They busted it open. No. I really had to turn it on. That's the best acting I ever done. I went home alone. You just came...

Full, Kevin? Dogg. He came out to the van like Maraschino Red. Dude, I was just like... Oh, man. Do you remember what was in him? Oh. Pogs?

Dude, some crap. I think I was getting loose with it at this point. I believe there was loose change in it. I think they even turned it and they're like, they're changing there. It was like fucking Maraca, dude. It got so bad so like somebody would go return them and then somebody like, I would often be the buyer.

You'd have to go in and you'd have to buy another iPod. But it got so bad that like you'd have to look because I could tell which ones were hours that we returned because the corners were afraid. It'd be a little yellow. So they'd be like going to reach for a lot. Not that one. Let's get this one down there.

But fast forward towards the end of the scheme. Yeah. Our homie Neil Patel, which you guys know. Of course. Christmas morning. It's a new iPod. Amazing, right? Busted open. Of course it's Neil Patel.

Snack pack. Dude. And his mom looks at him. He said his mom looks at the iPad, looks at him. He says, you did this. You and your friends did this. No way. Yes.

She's a genius. And she makes him go up there and explain to them. Like, there's no iPod in this. Like, you know, and like. Because how do you believe that? Exactly. Like they're going to be like, no. They're not buying that.

They're like, no, what is this? Really, there was a crossword in here. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. But I made a living off that for quite some time. That was your job? Between 17 and 19. There was a point right around the same age.

There was a point of time where around Christmas, Walmart's return policy is very lax, especially back in the day. Yeah. Where you could, I would be waiting in the return line. I'd grab a bowl. and just add another 30 bucks up. Oh, dude, that's a great one.

No receipt because everyone's got gifts or whatever. I got it for Christmas. I'm not going to read about George Washington or, you know. You know, he... Simpler times. He didn't give up on the Revolutionary War of George Washington. No, he didn't. Well, we're winding down a little bit here.

Is CI... It's nice to see after years, you know, you put on another 7-inch and another LP, send Zone 6 music. You're back. You've got your lineup now. It's kind of a rotating list of guys who can, like, who can play what, and it works. It's always, it's always you three and Skull and Gian most of the time. Skull is normally a lock.

It's basically it's fucking six of us, right? Yeah. And the six guy is the one that plugs in as needed. You know what I mean? Like, for example, Taylor didn't need to. Taylor keeps the band rolling. He's like, he's like, he really keeps it rolling. Taylor Young is fucking goaded, man.

No disrespect. No, no, that's fine. For example, like, dude, that tour we did, that Islet Lord tour? Yeah. Holy shit, dude. Oh, we should talk about that. How did we get to the end of that? Taylor Young, dude.

Blood Bath. He made that happen. It was a blood bath. What happened? We were touring in an escalade. That was the most comfy tour. I'm glad you guys had fun. Just a rough tour?

No, no, no. It was great. The shows were great. But, like, somebody had to pay every day for some reason. It had nothing to do with me. Somebody had to pay the troll toll. You guys said, yeah, the troll toll to get in some boys' hole. Either fiscally or...

And one way or another, it was paid. Fiscally? No, and I don't know if any show went straight till the end. Fuck no, dude. They all ended early. And the one, the first one of them all was the one that we didn't need to play. Because that was a show for China Symbol Moshers. Oh, yeah.

So we get up there playing like fast shit that nobody wants to hear. And then the show gets shut down. I was like, well, I couldn't this happen like fucking 20 minutes ago. We didn't have to waste their time. Yeah, we said to play. These people that did not want to hear this music at all. It was our boys, but like, you know, a lot of my boys don't actually like CI. They like what you're saying, you know?

I think that's the piece-by-piece element where it's like, damn, this, you know, maybe musically this isn't speaking to my spin-kicking. You know what that fucking tour was, man? That was some 2009 shit, dude. It really was. Unsustainable tour. Unsustainable. That could have never gone a full month.

Fuck no, dude. How long was it supposed to be? Or how long was it? Four days? It barely lasted. No, three. It felt like... Three days?

Yeah. It was a round of fest. It ended at... No, it, no, it did back to school jam in the middle. Back to school jam is in the middle. It was Connecticut, fucking school jam, Richmond. That's right. Do we have a day off on that tour?

Probably. I think we did. That's when we started Island Time. Yeah, we've been on Island Time for... See, I've been on Island Time for it. Ever since that tour, we've been on Island Time. Ever since I rejoined, yeah, we've been on Island Time. Yeah, dude.

We just had to talk with me about Island Time. You know. We're just a good, it's, you know. You're feeling good all the time? Yeah. It's just, you know, we show up. Maybe it's a good set. Maybe it's not.

But who cares? We're just chilling, man. Who cares? That's part of the fun. Yeah, I've given up on if the set of will be good or not. Yeah, that tour was fucking hilarious. It was, uh, what's that scary place from the Bible? The scary one?

Hell? Hell. It was hell for some people, heaven for many. I had a great time on it. Didn't sell a single shirt. It was a money pit. Yeah. That show was all in the red on that one.

That show was a money pit. I don't know King Nine made merch. I don't know. If we did we... I don't remember having merch. We didn't have merch. I'll tell you we did.

We steady don't show up with merch though. We didn't have merch at the toy drive. Well, we did. We had merch in Taylor's car, but we didn't feel like bringing it inside. To the after show, which that after show was a fucking joke. You said that weekend off by asking Taylor one of the most insane things I've maybe ever seen. What's that? Do you rent cars?

And he's a car And he was like, what? You're like, come on, never mind He's like, I'm not responding to this And he's just like, he's a car, dude, I had places to go, man You can do that at the airport, you know what to Yeah, but I don't know You wanted the challenger

Taylor does some what he would know Well, I figured I was just gonna be ripping around In the fucking Twitch and Tungs van or something People do that. 50 bucks a day. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I was prepared to offer that. Once you break down what I was actually asking,

it's not the craziest question of it now. Well, I don't think you needed the van. I think you wanted. the challenger, you know, or the Jeep. Or the Jeep, yeah. I mean, I'll take whatever he, whatever he wasn't using, dude. Do you rent cars?

I just had some shit to do, yeah. Is a wonderful way to phrase that. What's, uh, what's, what's the future for CI look like? You writing stuff? Nah, well, I mean, I don't know. Passively, maybe. I don't know.

We'll probably do another band one day, but like, I don't know, man, it's just kind of, there's what it is. It's what happens, yeah. Yeah, I don't. No big plans, but that also means, like, no big pressure. Yeah, straight up.

It could come, it could, like, the IDIC could come up and we just... Yeah, man. Like, terrible things was sick. I like that record a lot, but, like, I don't want to just, like, go out, like, you know, bands that we all know that just fucking... Got nothing left to say. Oh, there's another insert, this band here LP that no one on earth gives a shit about. You know what I mean?

And, like... Yeah. Even the best bands ever, you know, they've got their tracks. And they put out a record to just kind of keep the touring sustainable, but then they're still just playing the tracks. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the only thing that, see, I... I feel like needs to do at some point. You know, we've never played outside of America

except for Mexico. Really? We played Tijuana. And then we tried at Canada. Can you? Can you? I can now. Okay.

I can't now, but he couldn't for a hot minute. You're the, my 10 years. My 10 years is up. Yeah. Oh, nice. Congrats, man. Mazzled.

Mine too. My shit got expunged too. It doesn't matter. Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going to go? Yeah. We haven't figured out yet.

I don't know. I'm fucking. Well, we can't log into our email. We actually can't announce it. There might be offer. There might, for all we know, we can't discuss what we're playing. For all we know, there's offers in our, the CIA email that we can't log into. Or the Instagram.

We all, dude, the Instagram we can't get into. I get locked out of it. You'll see the last post was from like 2013 or 14. For like a show, yeah. Oh, shh. We haven't been able to get in that. I think there's like filters on the photos. Like straight up.

Like Kelvin. You're keeping Kelvin. It's Lord Kelvin. Yeah, it is crazy. It's a time capsule. Dude, we can't get in that motherfucker. We've tried everything to just even. You've asked me through like multiple times.

Even like we weren't like talking, you were just like, what's the password for the Instagram? I'm like, dude, I don't know. I'm like, can we delete this fucking Instagram? It's so funny because it's like, I don't know. Yeah. Probably didn't believe me at the time. You're like this fucker. Yeah, you're trying to sabotaging me.

Let's send this show on our favorite thing. Yeah. Let's talk food. Let's get it. Because I know you've got a champagne diet formerly on a beer budget. But now you've got a champagne diet and Jobie's eating good. Joe's eating whatever he wants. I'd be eating.

You, when you were around, the conversation would be like, you guys want, like, in and out or something? You guys want to go to fucking Wingstop? And you'd be like, how about Fogo to Chow? You know? Yeah. You love Fogo to Chow. I was making, well, I still technically work in L.A. is when I started, like,

making good money. Like, before I was, like, a junior copyright and everything. But then I moved out to L.A. and was, like, on a proper salary. But you had your fun money, you know? Well, so. Your gambling budget. The middle of the month check was the funny money check. End of the month check.

Yeah, that check is fucking fairy dust. And end of the month check, that's the boring ones. That's the fucking lame one. You might as well have not been paid. Yeah, what about food, though? So if you guys are driving, we call it the golden question. And there's a sign, the biggest sign you've ever seen, that has any chain, regional, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where you are.

It can be any place. You got time. You're on island time. Always. Naturally. You can pull over. What's the one that you're going to go, oh, shit, they got that. We're going to pull off.

That's happened before. Yeah. Dude, are you talking about the guy Fieri side? Yes. I'm thinking the same thing. Dude, this doesn't answer your question, but it's another funny story. It was like described the story. Perfect thing.

So we were driving back from a certain state after doing something really bad. And so we weren't really, we were like, like, bummed out. Man, I can't believe we did this bad thing. Morale was dog shit. We're like, man, we fucked up. So we're driving and we see this billboard that just says like Guy Fierry cheeseburgers like to exit here. We haven't spoken for two hours. Rat just looks at me just goes, just turns off the exit.

Get off the exit. Eat these burgers that were like meatball, they were dog shit. They were terrible burger. Yeah. No way. He puts his name behind it, but it's like he ain't there making them. Yeah, you can't. Hell of a guy.

One of the great. But that Koceline went a long way for both of us. I knew that he'd be down with that cosign. It was a dark day. But then, and then, so we got home from that, and then that next one was the power trip show where all the other shit happened. Yeah, true, true.

You want to get into that, or? I mean, there's not enough time. Let's get back to food. Let's get back to food. Yeah. What's the spot where you're like, this is it, guys, we got to eat and thank God this is here? Like, if there's one there?

I mean, it doesn't matter where you are. Popeyes, right? No, no, it doesn't matter where you are. Popeyes, right? You're talking fast food? Yeah, yeah, mostly. Or accelerated cuisine, you know, like a shake, shake, or something.

Did you say Popeyes? Popeyes is up there for us. Love that chicken for Popeyes. That's probably what we go for in that realm. You know? I think that's a good. You're the first.

You're the first Poppies. And I feel that one. You know what I fucked with heavy in L.A. That everybody else hates is Tommy Burger. That's a middle school classic. I've never heard of that. Dude, it's a cheeseburger just swimming in chili. The most chili you've ever seen.

It's fucking. Fresh out the M-Wade. It's fucking ignorant. Yeah, it's wild. That's an ignorant. a meal. You ever put ketchup in the chili there? I don't like ketchup. You got to put ketchup in chili. I put a shit ton of mustard on it.

You know, ketchup and chili. I'm telling you, I'm going to start. There's already ketchup in chip. Well, I put a little more. Yeah, yeah. And it's very good. I'll say this, though. I did listen to the damn one. I disagreed that with anybody that says in and out isn't that great. But I don't fuck with the fries either, man. I'm sorry. You're not Irish. You know? You're not Irish. I'm strictly Eastern Block. That's what I'm saying.

Eastern Block. I'm just talking about it. I'm just talking about it. I'm Eastern Block. What do you think about it in and out? I love it. I think it's delicious. I hate when people hate on it. It's stupid to hate it.

It's like arguably just uneducated to hate it. You're just hating on it because you know how love did you. You are a straight up scally way. If you're hating on fucking in and out, dude. Like cool man. Like, oh, this is the most interesting thing about you that you don't like an unequivocally good cheeseburger.

It's arguably. You must be a blast to hang out with it. And one that costs $5.95. Come on. Fresh. Come on. It's so. Is that your favorite kind of burger?

Like that kind of burger? Yeah, I like a smash burger kind of thing. Yeah, I wouldn't... Yeah. It's thin. It's thin. But I like that crispy smash. Yeah, I don't like those...

You know? I don't like a pub burger. No. It depends. I gotta be in the right mood. Oh yeah, that's stupid, dude. Can't even get... When you gotta give it the guy Fieri bite.

You do. Is it the corner? Like, you cut it? The gangster bite. Yeah. I do fuck with five dudes, though. You do? I fuck with five dudes heavy.

You love the fries. You love the fries. He's kidding. He just said the other day how much he hates the fries. Yeah, the fry. I don't like a real fry, man. What do you like? I want like a lab grown, like a McDonald's fry.

A McDonald's fries. How about this? Number one, no, number one fry in the game. You're going to say Burger King? I'm an asshole. It's a great problem. Burger King. I'm with you.

They had to clean up their act to make them edible. You know, you know why? Because they suck before and they suck now. Matt, too, you know what promotional tie-in was the reason that they created the new Wild Wild West? Toy Story 2. Good movie. The brand new Mr. Potato Head Fries.

That's the modern bird king Number one fry is checkers rallies Stop You're getting into that you're gonna say that The really thinners? The battered ones with that good batter They're delicious Number one

It's not McDonald's is number one fry McDonald's is number one fry McDonald's is up there But I would pick The McDonald's fries are delicious The McDonald's fries is the best food Checkers rallies fries are Undefeited

Dude I used to go to the rallies Over there in Englewood No in Inglewood Because that Hollywood Park card room Is over there I would be like Leaving there at 4 a.m. And get some fucking rallies

fries for the trailer to yours home I'm a big crinkle cut guy do you love the portillo's has crinkle cuff and yeah and chakechac too Oriida yeah exactly

for that red that beautiful red bag fucking microwave softened to perfection oh man love those they grew up on those for sure crinkle cut reminds me a grade school though

yeah I was miserable in high school I loved them you're back in Atlanta now how's that how's that been treating oh did you move back shit I ain't in Atlanta man I can't claim it no more. Lounge rat's the only Caleb's the only one holding down Atlanta

dude. He's the only one dude. I'm in North Georgia. North Georgia. Yeah, I'm like... Oh yeah, there it is. I'm at... My town is basically if you're playing Florida and you have a drive to Tennessee after, like, you might stop in my town to get gas. That's where you want to be

a fair assessment. Yeah, it's out there. You want to be out there, though, right? At this point I will live in... I will live in two major cities. Los Angeles or Boston. Agreed. If it ain't one of them, like, I'm gone. The greats. Yeah.

Those are my two cities. It's not that I don't fuck with Atlanta. It's just that, like, you know, in terms of a city, those are my, those are my cities now. I still love Atlanta. I go there to hang with him and people all the time. But yeah, I'm back in Georgia. I can't claim Atlanta. Is you in Atlanta proper?

Oh, yeah. Wow. He has a retail business. He sure does. He's holding down. Caleb's the most Atlanta person in Atlanta. Like, he was living, like, way down, Morland, like, way before anybody was. Anybody.

You're the OG. Literally OG. Like no shade, but like Champ and everybody else from Foundation. Like they're all from fucking Gwinnett, Lawrenceville. I was living in North Georgia, too, as a kid. Like, he's probably the only person that like consistently lived in Atlanta the absolute most. Out of literally anybody. Ryan Wood would give is up there too.

Yeah, he's full Florida. He's a legend. Dude, he's a legend. He's a life. He's the man. He put me on. Did he up? Dude, growing up, he's helped me.

Yeah. Anytime I'm in a group chat with you. We're getting there, huh? I'm just going to say it. There's two guys you love adding to group chats. Oh, yeah. And at this point, they don't even leave. No, dude, they gave up, man.

Rick's alive. And Chubby Fresh. Dude, I used to... The listener of the show, Chubby Fresh. So now is your chance to... Well, you remember, I used to add him to the chat and be like, Hey, Chubby, this is Colin Young. I sing in twitching tongues.

I wouldn't do this whole thing. Damn, that's actually, does he actually, that's hilarious. He's putting a face to the guy that's just, I used to just text people individually too, but I'd text them with me, Rick to Life, and Chubby Fresh. Baguel, what's up today? And they'd just get a text from like three guys. We would be scheduling Midnight Sun's practice.

And it would be like Taylor being like 8.30 work for everybody. And it would be like, Josiah Hoffinger added. Josiah Hoffinger added. And he'd be like, sounds good. Just compulsively adding them. Yeah. Dude, he was calling me for a while too. telling you to stop.

Yeah, way back. I never fucking answered, obviously. Yeah, of course. But, yeah. Well, Jemba, this is the guy.

Yeah. This is the guy who's been doing it. I said I was you, though. Yeah, for most of them. Maybe that's why he listened.

Oh. He's like, oh, that's the guy that's been texting me. He's putting on lipstick like Steve, Steve Bishemi right now. Throwing darts at a fucking picture. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, good shit, man. We got to this again someday. I know. We're just starting to crack the nut here. The fucker just crashing the surface. That's what happens. an hour and a half. That was an hour and a half.

Can you believe that? Damn. Time flies, dude. You guys ever been to this for you fest down here? Yeah. Yeah, I played. Harm's Way used to play. That's what I thought. I saw Harmsway at this. You know, like, the, like, the pick of James, like pre-tattoo mask on. I was at that.

I saw that. That was the only time we ever played. But that was our one time. I was wondering if you played that show. Yeah, we opened with punishment. How did it sound? Terrible. Speaking of Rick to Life, one time I saw it 25th of Life opened with punishment.

Couldn't tell it was punishment until halfway through. It was like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, da,

funny story, Holy Crows played with 25 Delah. It's a ride you have to play when I was 14. I didn't even

make it to the show actually. I can find a ride to the show. And they're like, yo, actually just don't come.

Don't bother, man. Don't come. It's actually, it's fine. Oh, wow. Yeah.

He was trying to say the set was like for a McDonald's foundation, but he kept just saying this set goes out to McDonald's. Yeah,

about McDonald's. Just for the kids. The sets for the kids, you know, McDonald's. Shout out McDonald's. That would get me going off. Is it? Man.

This was a lovely chat, guys. Thanks for being in the movie, you know? They know. We'll have you back. We'll keep scratching the surface. We'll talk about some more. Damn Sam Gion couldn't make a cameo. I know.

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