HardLore - Dan Seely (King Nine)

Episode Date: January 5, 2023

It's HardLore Time! Colin and Bo chat with King Nine vocalist Dan Seely LIVE and in-person about King Nine's first LP being a generational classic, breaking the "band's band" barrier, touring with Terror at 17 and much more. This episode is brought to you by MANSCAPED. Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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That's hard lore. Perfect. Now we're going to talk to Dan Celia from King 9, which was live at 4th. The Children Fest. We intended for this to be a mini, 10, 15 minutes. And we just kept going and we kept flowing. It felt so good.

It felt real good. We're excited to show you this one. Enjoy. Enjoy. Bye. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lord Time. How you doing, Bo?

I'm doing very well. You just had a great set. I did. We did. More importantly than that. We're live at the Belasco at For the Children, presented by SOS. booking with the frontman of one of the greatest bands of all time of all time dan seely king nine long

island hardcore how you doing buddy i'm doing good i feel good thanks for being in the movie i'm in the movie now how was your set today did you have a good time our set was probably the one of the better sets king nine has maybe ever played at a great time fantastic how about that crazy you guys yeah you guys were you back to back just kind of there was coo yo was on the other stage is yeah yeah cool rock block there. That's a good, that's a weird rock block. Hometown rock block for you. Hometown-ish rock block. I describe King Nine as,

you know how there are bands, bands, and then there are people's bands? Of course. You're a bands band that people also like. Yeah. I think we get that, I think we're starting to get past just being a band. No, you never were just a bands band. You cracked an impossible code, I think. You're a band's band in the sense that.

that you look in the pit and it's like, yo, that dude, yeah, he's got a black record. I saw John, I saw John from Vane in there today. I always,

always see Jose from tsunami in there. Always. What's an example of another band's band? Ringworm is the band. Ringworm is the ultimate band. Max Penn is another band's band band. Baker put me on to Max Penn. Max Penn is like,

I'll say that, like, they came back just to be the band's band. I have a weird like black market streaming app. just to listen to, uh, was it SuperLife that's not on streaming? Yeah, that's, you have the app. Yeah, I'm on the Plex. Shout out to, to Plex.

Oh, Pistunes. Shout out to Pistunes. Shout out to Pistunes. Shout out to Pat for running a server. That's right. Of the legally downloaded music for us. Let's go back in time a little bit. How far? Young, Dan Sealy. Young, young. Young guy. Okay. Were you mad? You sang for a band called Mindpiece before King Nine.

I did. But were you a touring man before that? Before Mindpiece? Before Mindpiece. I was never I never tour before my piece The first real tour I ever did I was 17 And terror messaged us on MySpace And was like

Hey we have these 10 days coming up Before this chimera tour Can you guys do it And I had just started going to college And I was like A month in And I was like oh hell yeah We could do this dropped out

I immediately just I didn't even know how to properly dropped out, just stop going. And went on tour for, I think it was like 12 shows. And the second we were done with that, I was like, hey, guys got anything I could do? And I just got in the taravan and just stayed with them for that camera. Were you still 17? 17 years old.

Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. I turned 18 on the tour. We met in Tacoma, Washington. We met there? I believe so. It was the Backtrack Foundation Harmsway thing. And the Backtrack van died and you guys...

We didn't meet there. There's no way. We met way before that earlier in the tour. When the tour started. We didn't meet the tour until Rainfest. That was our first day. Something seems wrong, but I believe you. I mean, the routing seems wrong.

I don't know why. I'll tell you that much. But I believe him. But we like didn't know you guys. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. of any of that.

Yes. I'll say this. My first experience, the day that Big Brett met James, I remember, we were in Colorado. There was a show in Denver at that skate park. Yeah. And Brett, for everybody who doesn't know,

Brett is basically an ogre. He's like, how tall is he? 6.10, I don't know, 300. Big Brett. Yeah. He's my house. It's truly not even a clever name. It really means real.

And James is, you know, a very svelt man. Oh, yeah. And James, you know, awkwardly just shook Brett's hand. Like, what's up? And Brett was like, I can squat you. And James, like, don't. And he just picked James up, just stiff James, just like a board. And just squatted James.

And he just put him back down. And James was like, I don't, I don't ever want to do that again. At the end of the tour, they ended up sumo wrestling in the street in Little Rock, Arizona. Oh, yeah. Who won? Yeah. Who won? I don't remember.

I don't remember either. Only two people know they. Yeah, two people know. That's true. It'll go to the grave. That tour, that tour that Bo was referring to had so many goofy, stupid things that happened basically every day. That's what you do. Yeah.

We showed up to a show. in, I think it was Idaho, and it was just the wrong night. Pocatello, Idaho. Nice. And it was just like, oh, yeah, that shows tomorrow. And it was like tomorrow we're in Kansas or whatever. Yeah. You tore with Foundation quite a bit as well, right?

I did. Were you on the Foundation Forfeit thing? Was that a, or was it Backtrack Forfeit? There was a Backtrack Forfeit, like, week. You got to tell me what you're thinking about. Okay. There was a Backtrack Forfeit Ruckuset. Ruckus Show and Mirrietta.

Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. I was there. It didn't happen. No. All three bands. Hold up. And the promoter was like, hey, guys, nobody's coming. Here's $50.

Yes. Total. It was awesome. And it was like Taylor and I in our Jeep Cherokee. Nobody else from Ruckus was there yet for some reason. And we just see the forfeit van and we're like. And we drove home. It was where?

Marietta, California. Yes. That tour, that was the tour that we met like, I met Wildcat and everybody like from Syracuse. He was just stealing stuff and you're like, this guy's crazy. Oh, man. I don't, you know, I don't know if Wildcat was that conniving yet. He probably was. He might have been.

He was fixing it. Yes. What happened on the tour that I was talking about is the Backtrack van like died. And how many non-Bank. band members were with Backtrack. There was, well, it was, we did every roadie that was on the tour stayed back. So it was me, Brett, Josiah, Aaron, Reggie, Seba. Oh, Reggie.

Yeah, Seba, that's right. He was going on his way down. Oh, wow. I feel like I'm forgetting somebody, but we all stayed, a full band, plus crew, stayed back with this van in Seattle. And we like split up everyone in the other van, other two vans. You guys got real comfy, real fast. Yeah, we had John Lopez for a long-ass drive.

Oh, yeah. Like Seattle to San Francisco. John, now he's near and dear to my heart, you know? He was a wild thing. Dude, John hated me for years. Really? First off, no. Second off.

Hated me. He probably liked that you believed that. He hated me. John, I don't know if, you know, I've listened to the podcast quite a bit. Yeah. I don't know if John has ever been brought up on this podcast. Let's talk to on Lopes. I don't think so. John is the single.

He's calmed down now. He has a child. He's married. He's the single craziest person I've ever known in my life. I brought him a Red Bull during your set. He asked for one. He drank it. It's a silent crazy now.

Now it is. It's behind the eyes. The first I, I, like, was aware of him, was watching a video of him going behind the subway counter grabbing a thing of cheese and throwing it like a flower boy Yeah, that's that's a Wednesday for him Yeah, I'll tell you a quick John Lippos story, John Bang story

Johnny Bang, John Bang, apologies We were in London Heathrow Airport One of the business airports Huge, huge, right? Maybe like Probably like 11 o'clock in the morning Pretty busy time Okay, and this is post 9-11?

This is post 911 Yeah, it wasn't 9 For contracts For context. Yeah, for context. So we're in the airport. This is a long time ago, though. This was like 2009.

So eight years after 9-11. Yeah, eight years post-9-11. Just to give you the time frame. So we're in the airport, and we had never seen those heavy hand dryers before that are like, you know, what we always see now. The Dyson. Dyson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We never seen it before.

Oh, no. Yeah. So John was like, he looked at me. He was like, dude, check this. out this is crazy and I was like oh man that is crazy and I like continue to wash my hands and I like turn it's 11 o'clock in the morning and he has his pants off and is jamming his dick into the Dyson and I watched his dick go this is the second Dyson fans ever exist they're testing the market at Heathrow airport they were like let's try this new fan out at the airport oh

hopefully nobody sticks it bows in it the Willie in it and then day two day two day to John's dick is in it. It turns on, it, like, expands. And then he's like, whoa. And then it just, like, goes back to normal. The penis expanded? His dick went, like, somebody held the balloon and blew in it. Oh, my.

They were, listen, this just proves my fact, that my theory. They used to go way harder than they do now. Maybe. Oh. Maybe. They were the, what happened? The PSI was through the roof on. Yeah.

You could actually dry. I remember feeling. for the first time. What happened after that, Dickwise, with him? I don't know why he has a kid. Yeah, he has a kid. It works now. Good.

Maybe not so much after that. I got one for a little bit. The end of that tour. I'm going to censor this a little bit. I have another one when you finish this. The end of this tour where we first met, the tourians in Little Rock, we go to a Denny's, and they sit the entire touring party in the. And it's like a town board meeting part of the Denny's.

Like that wouldn't normally seat people. The business. Or sitting at like a horseshoe and I'm at the thing with the gavel. And I'm like hitting the gavel when people say something funny. You know? There's actually a gavel in the Denny's? Yes. There's a picture that Bo is talking about.

And when it's and the waitress, the server is so like, oh, this is a rowdy group of guys that like she's closing the door behind her. When she goes to like put in the orders and stuff. John gets up and hides. And when it's just us, he's hiding and he's like looking through the divider and that all of a sudden through the divider in such a precarious position. Yeah. And it was a good meal.

I'll say this. Harm's way and backtrack hanging out afterwards. We're all saying our goodbyes and to tour. Where did foundation go? We're all just looking around like, where are the hell of this foundation? I wasn't going to say that. Who wasn't going to say this? They just left with us to pay the bill.

Oh, this is that time. Yes. We've told this story off air a couple times. It's on air now. They just left us to pay the bill. Scumbags. This is why they actually broke up. Yeah.

They've been trying to cover their asses on this. They ran out on that $58 tab. Thomas is going to be on the show one of these days. I'm going to make him fucking explain it. Yeah, you're going to explain. What's your Venmo? Yeah. EOSX-E.

All right, good. Good. It's coming. The one last. John Story I'll tell, and this is almost sexual in nature, not like the other ones weren't. Sure. But we were at a show in Lincoln, Nebraska, and this one venue was like an art space that everybody played in like a two-year span.

Remember that place? Yeah, I do. You were in the like video, a video that was made for us. Long story. But yes, I remember. It was in a video. Oh, wait, I think I remember what you're talking about. Okay.

So the bands would play facing the door of this place, and behind them was like a green room. It was just like a kitchen. They let us put our shit in. And John walks in and he's shirtless because it's the summer. He walks in the green room and he takes a thing of saran wrap.

Or no, like cling wrap, like plastic cling wrap. And he just goes like this. He puts his bow's hands up and I hold it and he just like spins and like it all around his chest. He dude, he just lays down on the ground. He goes, somebody's shit on me. Who shit on him?

I'm not going to say who, but somebody Squatted the letter G. No, squatted over him and took a rabbit-sized shit that hit him in the chest and bounce off and rolled under the fridge. Dude, we all

poured out of the room screaming, laughing, and this band, some local band, is playing. Oh. They just, all turn and we're like falling over the whole show just stops

and John just walks out with the saran rat on it. Is there a remnant of the little tiny turd on there? I don't know about that but I know this. Somebody fished out the little turd from underneath the fridge and put it in a napkin and put it in their

pocket to leave the venue with it. Markor used to be different. It used to be something. It's big business now but it used to be turds and napkins and pockets. That was Live Nation. And dicks in dryers. Live Nation would never sanction any.

No, absolutely not. Fuck them. So scared to death comes along. A few years later. A few years. Tears up the charts. I remember it came out. Was it 13?

2013. Summer 13 or something? Fall. Fall. Because I think it came out. No, it came out after and there was no law. Yes. And I remember thinking like, damn.

They smoked us. No. Well, I know. Because it's a, it's a, listen, we can all eat here. We can all. We're all, we were all eating fine. Yeah. But there's a natural, like, peer competition.

I don't, we weren't as close then as we are now. Do you want arm wrestle over this? You'll win. You'll win. You're the guest. I'm the host, brother. I'm here to lose. But, and it's to this day, like, every time I see you, those songs get bigger pops.

It's a generational classic. It's kind of mind-blowing how to play songs 10 years after the fact, and it's like, damn. Better every time. Tell me about it. This is just... Yeah. It's what we got to play. It's the way it works.

Yeah. But just think about Master Killer. I know. Is that the record release video that's, like, you know, like the video? Yeah. The video. That's the record release. That is one of the best live videos, period.

I think what makes it so cool is that there is every single person, you can be like, oh, that's from that guy, that guy's in that band, you see Justice, you see Front, you see Jaycock. Everybody, Jay Cox, Josiah, you see everybody in it. And it makes, it's a really cool. You know, actually, that's the very last time Martine ever moshed. And in his life? And in his life.

That was the, it's on video. I mean, but that's what makes, you crack the bands band code in the way that it's not like only guys in bands like this band. It's like, no, every guy in a band at the show is beating each other's ass. And it makes the people in the crowd go, okay, I guess I got it. Got to do it. You can seal the ringworm. The Melnick saying in the video is motion for ringworm. You're not like, yo, that's fucking twid.

It's like, you're not. It's not happening. You can feel the energy in that video. Like, people are so excited. Yeah. It's such, I remember when it came out. I remember watching it on like an old, like all-white MacBook, you know? I just, I vividly remember that.

Come on, relax. Take it easy. He watched it on his Dell. Yeah, an old cum-colored MacBooks. Thank God. We're past that, huh? Those are bad. That was good.

How are you feeling today? I feel great. Good. Your voice doesn't sound strange at all. Um, yeah. Oddly enough, it's not. which we don't play a lot, so usually when we play, I'm smoked. But I don't think you, so obviously we know every singer we like over time their voice change.

Yeah. Like Jasta sounds different today. Freddie sounds different today. Yeah. You kind of found your thing early. I'm sure Mindpiece helped with that. You settled into your permanent voice by the first King Nine album. Yeah.

You know, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing. So essentially... Well, we got a question. Continue to. Essentially, I'm just... I was just like, oh, I'm just going to scream as loud as I can. And whatever comes out comes out.

And that's... That's what you're doing? That is what I'm doing. You're as if somebody's running down the street and you're going, hey! Yeah. Yeah. If you were to... If we were getting to getting a shouting match,

you would hear exactly. what you hear on recording. Dan 9 would come out. That's you checking the monitors. That is me checking the monitors. Yeah. Wow. Hit him with it. Right now? Yeah. Well, I'm talking about his voice. Who do you do then? No. Who do you do? You know, I saw you ask this to Colin.

Yeah. And I thought about it to myself. I was like, who do I do? Such a good question. I think the only person that I could possibly say, that I'm doing this, or I'm doing some stuff he does, is Jorge. That's... Here? We're all doing Jorge. We're all doing Jorge in our hearts.

But other than him, honestly, I... Yo, honestly. You can think of any other. Not a lot of one. I think the other one, and this is kind of a deep cut, and a lot of people won't know this, but I think the other one that I'm doing and sort of doing is Vato Rob. He sings in a band called

Everybody gets hurt. Well, you could ask the Royal King Nine question of who does King Nine do, and it's like, it's everybody gets hurt. It's Everybody gets hurt. It's Billy Club Sandwich. It's Tara Ave. It's all the bands that were hyper-local to us

that people didn't know, but they are like these hidden gems that are, it's just, I know you see the band name Everybody gets hurt and you're like This has to be Dung, Dung And it's not

They sound like breakdown And it's the best shit in the world And for local New York City people You know Long Island New York City Jersey even Those bands are like On a different level

Of They're playing hardcore In a way that No one thought to play hardcore And still hasn't thought to play hardcore until you came along well I know I know that and I talked to Glenn about this the other day

shot out of Billy Club sandwich but we like carried the torch for this weird sect of hardcore that people didn't know about that is exactly how I would describe King Nine King Nine is not not what you would expect it to be musically right well

yes like those parts are there where people are like I see the big scary guys and this is what I know they sound like but like the cold as life conversation always comes back up people think that little from the world is cold as life and at the end of the day that's like

it's not one percent of what they sound like and that's the same thing the whole fucking train of thought everybody gets hurt crowd it's all just like straight up great hardcore songs it's some of the best shit ever so it's groovy it has

everything in it and it helps that it was written by almost exclusively criminals. Yeah. Because that is where that mystique comes from. Authenticity. The authenticity always shines through. You can't fake it.

You can't. You can't. You cannot. You could, man, there are some bands that get up there and they fake the funk. They got this. We're hard. We're this. We're that.

And they're not. And it comes through. It's super obvious. Even they know. I know they know it. Deep down, they know it. But they don't want to just be themselves. And that's just, that's just it.

It's sad. It is sad. And it, mate. Death Rattle, a couple years later. Took a long fucking time. Five years. You know what they're in there, brother. You know, you can't rush it.

You can't rush art. If you rush it, it's forever bad. If you delay it, it's eventually good. Hideo Kojima. Tell me about death rental. I mean, so when we started to write death rattle, Lumpy, who is in the band currently and wrote scared to death with us and as an original member of the band, he left the band. And we were down to me, Rutter, and Gion at one point. We didn't have Chris yet.

Nick had left the band, and we didn't have John yet. And it was just the three of us, really. We had people that were like tentative, you know, to John. was like a tentative member. Chris was becoming like a tentative member. And we basically just started to write that record before they were in the band. And then they joined the band and made it like fully get there. Sure.

You know, John and Chris both like really pushed the rest of that record through. I remember a couple really specific nuances that John did. The Art of War. Dan-na-na-na-na-da-da. It going, 1-0, was John. And I remember thinking, damn, that one there was fucking bad. Because it would have just gone, Dan-da-da-na-da-da-da-d-d-d-d-in.

In Gion's mind, that's where it went. The Gion's mind, that's where it should have gone. And the Gionn music theory, that's where it rests. Tell me about the Gion music theory. What is the theory? Ah! Yeah. You know what the scene in The Matrix where there's like all the TV,

and he's in the room. Yeah. And all of those TVs don't know screaming and shaking their head. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. That is Gian's music theory. Whatever that is,

that's what it is. It comes through, and he and I agree on one very important thing. What's that? With music is that, especially in hardcore music, the best bands are the ones that show you time and time again

that there's no rules and what we're doing. Right. Take away the rules. Some people, they write a thing and they go, I can't do that. Right. Right. I know that Gian goes, I can do that. Well, of course he does. I'm going to do it.

I wish people could hear the shit he sends us that doesn't make the cut. The King 9B signs. If he's saying, I can't do that, it's insane. Yeah, it's absolutely insane. But he is, he is the, like, you know, we all do our part in, like, writing and all that. But he is truly like the driving force behind King Knight. Because his brain is so incorrectly wired that everything just needs to like come from him being like, I got this song, brother, I got this song. And just sends, you can't even hear it.

Some of the best parts of my whole life are getting texted from Gian. text. One one that we talk about all the time is these are three separate texts. Brother, four separate texts. Brother. The world I shall conquer. Six, six, separate text, six. Do you know the Dan Weinrop's story with Gian? No. Dan Weinraub was getting texts from a number he didn't know for like eight months. He just kept texting him and finally Dan was like, dude, who

the fuck is this? Brother, it's Gian. You went, brother, is Gian. Is this why? So now his new bit is every time he texts me, it's brother, it's Gian. Yeah, I mean, maybe. Is that the origin of that? Maybe. He's like, fuck, I got to start telling people why.

Trying to make a change. Yeah, it could be. Yeah. He could be. You know, Jesus Christ, you know, you introduced me some time ago? Who? You? I took a trip to New York, and I just hung out for a weekend.

And I wasn't really into meme pages yet. You got me into meme pages. I remember one day you were like, yo, honestly. There's just one I follow, and we were just scrolling through it, looking for ones that you thought were funny, and you were explaining to me why they were funny. and the one that broke us to this day you know it's coming

it was just of an N64 controller and we were both we were both looking at it trying to find out why it was funny and he was like what is it oh it's full of beans and then we kept growing for a second we just blew pass it for a second

and then a second later process that it was a controller full of beans and for some reason we were it was a 10 minute last It's full of beans. Oh, it's full of beans. It gets me every time. Every time.

Oh, man. Anyway. What's thanks for King 9? We are going to be releasing, and I'm going to say it now, so that it comes true. Two EPs this year. Two? Two separate EPs. This is two.

20, 23. This will come out in 23, so you're good. Okay. So this year, New Year's already passed. How was it? Happy New Year. It's good. I had a good new year.

Good. What if I die before? Oh, come on. I'll make you the dopest in memoriam you've ever seen. All right. Full of beans. Fine. I will fill, I will get a PNG of you full of beans.

On my headstone. That's right. All right. I'll take that. Two EPs. Two EPs is here. Why two EPs? There's no rules to this.

We can do whatever we want. You just plan. Yeah, okay. EPs are fun. and they're less like intimidating to like tackle you know they used to be forgotten they used to be forgotten and i'll tell you this much hardcore attention span is much different than it is than it used to be yeah and two ePs we'll hit you with three songs that's it three songs take them six months give you another four yeah five seven total and then in a year you do the 12 inch of both of them together we're not going to release our business

It's right now, but... Sorry, deluxe version of both. But, why the fuck not? Yeah. We don't, we don't... Writing an LP forces you to accept some mediocrity in some way. There's just some... And it's going to come somewhere.

All the music might rock, then one of the songs lyrically, you might just be like... You just run out of time, and you're just like, I don't know what the fuck to write that. And nobody's finishing him. No, that's the real root of the problem. is that when you look at any hardcore band, I'm an Apple music guy.

You're an Apple music guy? Bo, they pay the bands more. Well, and it sounds good. Absolutely. I'm all in. Too stupid. If you AB, the same song between Apple Music and Spotify, there is an audible difference. It's crazy.

It's a sickening difference. See, I wouldn't know because I don't listen to Spotify. You would be shocked to hear it. You would notice, for sure. People will say, you've got to go in and turn off. like the shut the low yeah shut up

no but you shouldn't have to do that I don't have to do that with that I want to just I want to play me tunes right yeah right yeah all right yeah right so two apes you know who really kind of proved

that to be true is fucking pain of truth perfect holy shit they were a brand new band and went here's one EP here's another we're huge

we're we're we're happy yeah they have the best set in Boston yeah it's crazy they are just the perfect way to do it. I think they...

I think you're right. Yeah, 100%. Long Island has produced a lot of people. Like the hardcore... Fascinating point. A lot of guys. I mean, what you mean? I mean, within the hardcore community.

Yeah. Like, there's just a ton of you guys. Yeah, because it's an insane asylum. And everybody is just like so maladjusted in such a piece of shit that they're like, I could just do, do be a piece of shit somewhere else forever and then they just keep we just all keep doing it you have a long island mount rushmore in hardcore suffocation is george washington obviously yes

in in in okay listen for me this is me personally suffocation neglect oh have to be up there everybody who's going to go listen to neglect they suck do not listen to it neglect is up there VOD has to be up there. Okay. And then this is going to sound crazy. Hear me out. This is, and this is, I'm leaving out regular-ass rock music

because Billy Joel would obviously be on there. Right? He's got his own monument around the corner. He's the Lincoln Memorial. He's the Lincoln Memorial. Just, but backtrack should be on there too. Absolutely. I don't disagree.

Because, like from objectively, no way. Because there was a time, you know, obviously there's a lot of bands that don't get mentioned, like Silent Majority. If you've ever listened to Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Glassjaw, they all wanted to be Silent Majority. And Silent Majority is amazing. But, you know, they influence that group of bands. But I think that there is like a certain torch bearing that Backtrack did that no other band from Longestown. The only other band you could say that did that is VOD. Right.

That they just... But even so, and this will prove your point. Pre-backtrack, Long Island Hardcore was Long Island Hardcore. It was, like, not in the conversation when people talked about New York hardcore. It's right there. Oh, interesting. But, like, Crumb Suckers is not a New York hardcore man. No.

But Backtrack was like, we're from New York. Yeah. We're from Long Island. It's New York. And now it's all, like, one thing. Well, so in the early 2000s, and this is going to sound like I'm fucking, you know, making a divide here.

But in the early 2000s, all the way until even recently, Long Island has been the backbone of New York hardcore. Oh, 100%. Because that's where we played for a decade, right? You route it to Long Island. Because that's where the shows were good. Never played New York. Never played the city.

The city always was rough. And if it was good, it was because it was full of kids from Long Island. Yeah, yeah, right. So Long Island has always been the backbone of New York Hark Court. Not always. For a long time it's been the backbone of New York Hark Court. Especially our whole generation. It was only Long Island.

Yes. And there is like a, like I said, a certain torchbearer thing that Backtrack did that no other band did and they deserve to be respected in that manner. You feel like him or not? No, I, because there's so. of like our era of the harm's way era. Yeah. Like it's,

that's undeniable. Absolutely. It's uneniable to me. Absolutely. There would be no pain of truth. There would be probably no King Nine. There would be no bands that you know from New York. Like we know them today without backtrack.

They toured constantly. You can't. Everywhere. Yeah, they played China. They played China. Yeah, they did the whole thing. Everything. Way before everyone else.

Even before Foundation. Like Foundation did like Russia and Japan and stuff I remember. Foundation another proof to the EP. That's true. That last one, the best thing they've ever did. Crazy. Crazy. Damn, our EPs dope.

EPs are dope? I used to love buying seven inches. I really did. Yeah, but I don't even really even mean it in a seven inch sense. Yeah, so 12 inch E. I just mean like the vibe of like, oh, here's seven minutes of music. Well, they were five bucks. And I can.

So it was like, yeah. And I can digest this. Dude, like, we were talking about it earlier and, you know, however a band ages, whatever. But like the first outbreak, seven inch. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah, yeah. Amazing. And it was huge.

Both of those outbreak seven inches were like that. Dude, the fucking. Da, da, da, da, da, da. And then they did it again when cruel hands started. You know? Yeah. That's true. But that was fucking.

That was like a paradigm shift. You're right? Yes. Yeah. Prying eyes was Interesting. Huge. Crazy. Yeah.

I think EPs are overlooked when they aren't good. It's easy to be like this sucks. And not try to find something redeeming it. What's your favorite EP? Ooh. This is easy to me. This is easy to you? All time.

You go first. It's Breakdown Blacklist. Okay. That's the best EP? I wouldn't. I didn't even think of it. You're probably right. I wouldn't have thought about it.

that. It's the best EP ever. Raw deal demo? It's a demo. I see Mike Dejean at my coffee shop all the time and we chop it up for every time because he's the fucking man. And

I always want to like geek out over that stuff with him but I don't. So we just talk about nonsense. But he knows obviously you're involved in Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, Trainyard Blues has to be in the combo, too.

That's got to be... Under the knife? Trainyard Blues is five songs. No, I think it's seven's EP. Oh, it just depends on the length of time, I guess, right? Well, no, because not now. It did at the time. Yeah, right, yeah.

But not now. Now it's track... Four or less or whatever. Yeah, it's track... Yeah, because Spotify will literally put fucking EP. Yeah. If it's below seven, they pay. put EP.

Interesting. Dog shit. So what's the best one? If we're, breakdown blacklisted is fucking up for sure. And the man, like, that showed me. Oh, he's saying the band name and the record title and the same song. I can do that.

Okay. Cool. That's true. I'd say can't close my eyes. Yeah. I see I'm not a Uthat Today guy. Yeah. I know.

Not many people are. Here's the thing. Youth of Today is good. They know they're good. Yeah. Ray. Ray Crapo. Ray Cappo grew up next door to my mom in Jackson Heights.

Is that true? Yeah. I'll make this very quick. Funny story. My grandmother died. That's a lot. I'm so sorry. Pause for laughter.

My grandmother died. And my uncle, I was talking to him, and he was asking me, like, oh, you're touring, you're doing it. Because he was a musician. And he was like, yeah, you know, our neighbor went, like. And me and your mother were growing up. He used to do something like that, too. He was, oh, you know, he's always printing his own shirts, and they always had seven inches and all this stuff.

And I asked, I was like, what's his name? And he's like, well, I'm still best friends with his brother. And he was like, the Capos, Ray Capo. And I was like, shut up, grandma. You don't understand. I tried, I was like, that is the most bizarre coincidence maybe to ever happen. Have you ever had a conversation with them about it? With Ray?

Have I'm about it? No, I haven't. I haven't seen him in person to talk to him in 10 years. So, but I will. You played a show with us next door instead of going to that. I did. I could have walked next door and talked about my mom. But I didn't.

But, yeah, so he grew up next door to my mom, so I don't like you today. I get it. Yeah. I get it. I don't. My dad loves Steely Dan, and I'm just kind of, I get it. My dad loves. Genesis so I love Genesis.

My dad loves Leonard Skinner, so I fucking love Skinner, baby. That works. Dude. Dude. One of the greatest songs. I'll cry. All the whole time. Right now. Stop talking about it. Sorry. Hi, I'm going to...

All right. We're winding down here. Food. Food. Food. Oh, brother. This is the... This man likes to eat. I love to eat.

This is the hard-lore... signature This is it. Moment. Because I know. I know your answer is probably Taco Bell, right? To the where are you stopping question? I'll tell you this.

We landed in LAX, drove past and in and out. Wow. To get Taco Bell. We have Taco Bell where we live. I know. I get it. And what's your like delivery app there with the funny name?

Seamless. Seamless. That one? Oh, seamless. We don't have that. I'm a dash pass fan. I'm a seamless head.

I get it. I'm a Grubhub guy. Have you, wow. Yeah. Chicago. See, Grubhub is like Yelp affiliate. Disgusting. Grub is in Chicago.

It's based in Chicago. That's disgusting. So I think it's cheap. It's always cheaper. It's cheaper? What do you want me to do? I have that part of Yelp and Yelp takes a more of a cut. So I think Grubhubbub takes a huge cut from the restaurant.

This is like you listening to Spotify. It's just not, it's just not. Grubhub is Spotify. Grubhubhub is title. But I can get Taco Bell. That I know of. What's your order of Taco Bell? Seamless is Napster music.

still. My Taco Bell order. Yeah. Your go-to. Here's the thing. Yeah. When I eat Taco Bell, I go motherfucking hard.

Yeah, good. I think you should. So my usual orders, I get the number seven, the chicken cassidiaia. With a Baja Baja Basta. Of course. Yeah, what are you, a piece of shit? Exactly. I'm no piece of shit, sir. And then I get

a cheesy gordita crunch with chicken. Fuck beef. I love the cheesy gordita crunch. I like their stupid little ground beef. I can't I can't do it. I like it. So I get cheesy ready to crunch with chicken. I get two bean burritos, two spicy potato soft tacos,

nachos and cheese. You gotta get the chips and cheese. I love it for some reason. And then it depends. Sometimes I'll get a chicken chalupa supreme. Dude. Or like it changes. That's like a flux item right there.

I saw a tweet the other day that was like when I roll up to the Taco Bell you know, drive-through menu, I have no. plan. I'm just an instrument and I let the order flow through me. That's why I got on the app. I don't go to the drive-through without a plan anymore. Or else I'm sitting there all day. The app, dude,

there's things on there. You ain't even heard it. There's app exclusive items. Is that you would not believe? I'm going to say this right now. I'm going to talk about Purist and I don't like what you're saying. Get on the app. I'm not going to get on the app. I can't do it. This is going to wrap and I'm going to download the fucking app on your phone for you. I think Taco Ball is the most common answer, which tells you what it is. The best thing in the world.

The best fast food. It really, it's hard to argue. I will say this. And it's not really fast food because it's not everywhere. Is it accelerated cuisine? It's accelerating. It's accelerating. Well, how do you decide?

Habit burger. Habit is accelerated food. That's accelerated cuisine. It is fucking. Your habit over in and out, for real. Is it like smashed burger? No. What is it like?

It's whatever. Don't listen to him. It's fine. Don't listen to them. It's fucking amazing. It was it was like an OG. I think it's a Calvary only. It was a sound and fury staple basically. Gotcha. And that's fine. Fried green beans. Are you fucking kidding me? Can we get in and out tonight? Yes. Cool. Yeah. Keep coming. Sure. That's what we're doing. I'm not going to happen. I'll tell you that much. Then you know what habit shakes. Smoke the In and out shakes. Look, in and out's good. It's great. Although, close your ears. Don't. It's the. It's the. It's, it's, it's. It's, it's. It's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's, not the best thing in the world like everybody thinks. It is, although. It's not. I agree with you. Here's what the best thing about it. They're wrong.

I spent 60 fucking dollars in the San Francisco airport on trash. A double double is still under six bucks? It's like 459. Yeah, 459. That's incredible. Economically. The

bang for your buck is genuinely insane. You know, Speaking of the bang for your buck Listen, we're running out of time here, but there is We're doing great. Honestly, we can just roll an hour and call it an episode. Well, listen, there is a spot on Long Island

I brought you to. It's called All American. That is like the... Did you bring me there? I did bring you there, and I know I did bring you there. It looks like it's out of the 50s. It's like a burger stand out of it. When did we go?

The beans day? You took me there. You took me there. Yes, right. You definitely took me there. Yo, that is, if you're on, Long Island for some reason. Massapico.

It's all glass. Yes. Oh, it's in macas-wakis? Maca-Swakus. You have to go to All-American. It is the best fast food, like, thing like that fucking ever. Wow. Hot dogs, all that.

It's fucking amazing. Wow. And it's, but there's only one of them. It's the reason I say. I think Joey might agree with you. Joey agrees. Joey. Joey, you like All-American?

That's rudder. What's your opinion on All-American? There you go. Better than In-N-Od-Ole. Listen. Although un-ear muff now, you can come back. In-N-Out is good. It's a masterpiece every time.

It's not great. Dude, open inside until one. What do you get? Number one. Mustard fried. What's one? Double-level. Okay, fine.

Mustard fried. You like onions? Yeah. You like them grilled? Sure. Yeah, I don't... Whatever you think is going to be the best order. Tell me what it is right now.

Mustard fried with chopped chilies. I tried to. Chili's the other night. What you think? Unreal. So that's the thing. Right now they don't even have the normal Chili's. There's a shortage. They're coming back in March. So you come back in March, let me order for you. Here's what I'm going to say. I don't like that you have to give me this secret cold. It's not secret to fucking order.

But here's the thing, here's how simple it is. When you're ordering, you ask them, what do you get? And they go, oh, okay. It's cheap, it's simple, it's great. It is pretty. I do love a simple menu. It's simple and it's good. It's fine.

It's not the best thing in the world. I'll tell you this much right now. You know a little fellow named Anthony Bordane? He's no longer with us. But when he was, he was. who's a big in and out fan. I would rather go to five guys for a person. Be honest.

Five guys double cheese, double bacon cheeseburger with fucking jalapenos and tomatoes and mayonnaise. Yeah, you know what that's called? That's called the Elon Musk meal, brother. You gotta be, you gotta get a fucking SpaceX flight to Mars to buy the fucking five guys full menu.

They do it better fries than in and out. Stop. That's true. Dude. I know why the end and out fry, why I don't like that. Look me in the eyes. Because they don't double fry them.

In and out fries, rock. You're fucking lying. I'm not. Everyone knows. The shakes. I'm going to look at every camera. Colin is lying. The shakes are bad.

Colin is lying. I don't. I reverse ride for the in and out shakes. But that's, that's bullshit. You're minimizing your actual I'm maximizing the fries. You're minimizing your actual stance on it. The stance is I stand for it.

Everyone knows you cut your fries. You lightly fry them. You freeze them. And then when they're ready, you put them back in the price hold on that is what every restaurant does who makes more money bo looters or in and out well easily manscape dot com yeah shout out to the lawnmore 4.0 the longmore 4.0 with precision tracking skin say balls balls balls yeah cocks and in and out just cuts and they drop straight in and that's how you get them and that's why they're like too starchy and

you're you're irish don't you dare fucking start goddamn acting like okay and eat your potatoes. Or I'm going to tell your... I'm going to tell your time. You're not going to talk to me, grandma. I'm going to tell your Mimi Nona. Your Miminoa is going to know. My Italian is going to be in trouble.

You're going to be in trouble, lad. I'll tell you what. Eat your potatoes. So you got two EPs coming out. I got another question for you. What? Food related. What is a place that you would refuse to eat at?

A chain. Not like a. individual place, you know. But a place where it's like, I would rather eat chips from loves or not eat at all. Die. Fast food?

Yeah. Like, you're touring. The inverse of the golden question. Yeah. Actually, Long John Silver's. Rallies and Chequers. Oh, yeah. Get out of here.

Fuck off. I don't want to ever hear anybody like, I don't even see it. I don't even see it. I don't even see it. Yeah, yeah. That might be it. I fucking hate shellfish.

Interesting. With a passion. Even like just shrimp. Fucking hate it. See, I'm generally that way. I kind of just got into shrimp. I love show. Don't even bother.

It's got to be like fried and grilled. It's a bug. You're eating a bug. I would eat a bug if it was tasty. Well, it's disgusting. People eat lobster, be like, this is the best thing in the world. It's fucking, I don't want to have to break something skeleton

to eat it at a restaurant. It's a cockroach. You're a violent guy. You like to do the fun and stuff like that. You get to break stuff and then. and eat it after? Dude, gross is shit in the world.

It's so good. Here's the thing. You like butter? Yeah, that's the question. No, see, that's what's so fucking stupid about lobster. That's what so awesome about it.

It's a vessel for butter. I, it is a vessel for butter. Society is almost there. No. Until it is, I'm eating lobster. But until, you know,

maybe Gordon's doing a study on just spoon eating butter. Disgusting. And I'm telling, I'll tell you, I'll be the first in line at the new restaurant. Butterville, I'll be there.

What do you think of Subway? He's pro-subway. Are you pro or are you okay? It's okay. It's okay. Here's the thing. I know the Bo Subway saga. It lives deep in my heart.

The gift card exists within all of us. You were an early thing. I was. I remember that. Because it's the funniest fucking thing on Earth. It is. Subway is fine. It's fine.

It's not fine. It's fine. if you were going to say you're going to say it's bad see okay are you going to say like oh I'd rather go to Jimmy Johns 100 yeah I think I would too yeah for sure I'd rather that's not that's not even fair you know I can't you still don't have them here where there's a couple there's a couple there's one in Glendale when I remember when we

when they were in Chicago he was like gotta get Jimmy Johns and I was like yo dude Jimmy John's like you know you can go to a fucking sub place that that's the which is so stupid because Richmond actually has a bunch of like good fast, barbecue restaurants, buzzinets, all that shit. Wouldn't know. Yeah, exactly.

Because I went to that Jimmy Johns about eight times in three days. Everybody, dude. I'd like buzzinets. I'm just, I'm facetious, but God damn, that's a good Jimmy John.

I think it's crazy to go to a Jimmy Johns in like a city. I think it's... Like a big city. You could get a real... People say that about Taco Bell. But it's not the same

as Mexican food. I agree. I agree. Jimmy John's Italian nightclub is not the same as fucking cats is the trami. You know what? The logic stands.

I can't argue that. Oh, you know what? I'm going to add something else in this conversation. Fuck Arby's. I'm not going to Arby's. There was a period of time for some bizarre reason, me and John would meet up just go to Arby's when we were home. You know who two guys that love going to Arby's alone without telling anybody. Taylor Young.

Brody King. Colin Young. He's a winner. Okay. It's like number one. I think I knew that. I think I knew that. Alec Fabor.

Oh, really? Can't get enough. Pathetic death penalty. I'll see him. I don't like. He'll be like, yeah, stopped at Arby's on the way. I'm good. Put him on death road now.

It feels like an Arby's night. Every night's an Arby's night, man. I don't like the sandwich. I've had like a brisket sandwich. They had a, I think the reason me and John were going, we were getting a Rubin. Like, you guys are insane. They have a Wagyu thing now. Who knows what they're doing.

What a foul. Yeah. Foul place. I agree. Good fries. What's your favorite thing lately? What are you into? What am I into?

your favorite thing? What are we on a date? What is your favorite thing, Dan? My favorite right now in this life you live, you sit at home, you wake up, you go, I'm going to do my favorite thing today. You train. I have been very loosely training Muay Thai again and it's... He rides the train. I ride the train. That is not my favorite thing. Honestly, my friends, it's so stupid. But my friends are my favorite thing. You love iron and working with iron? I love is a fucking stretch, but I do work with iron, and it is something that I do. You're a union man. I'm a union man all the way.

I hope everybody, you know, would love to be in a union. You scolded us. We should talk about that. What I schooled you on? I don't remember. You don't remember? When you, when you, I forget what we were talking about you, but you thought we were anti-union. Oh.

Oh, fucking let's get into it. This is the merch guy debate. This is the merch guy debate. But we can do this very diplomatically. We don't even have to. It's fine. Yeah, true. The thing you didn't understand is that we were on your side. I was angry.

I would always vote your side of the aisle. The tips go to the guy. Tips go to the guy. The argument is, and I've confirmed this by speaking to showgoers, you're high and insane and crazy. No, I'm literally right. That's the thing. You're not.

Because I've asked, regular ass motherfuckers, hey, where do you think this is going? And half the time they say the band. So you went from most to half. which is that means you're already minimizing exactly what how many people said. Listen. Less than half. I've said it's a man.

Have you ever gone into a coffee shop and tipped and be like, it's going to the owner? No. No. Exactly. And here's the argument. You're right. Suck a guy's dick. In any other genre, I would know it's going to the merch guy.

Oh, so you think it's a cultural. It is a genre-specific thing. Okay. Listen. Interesting. And it's a post-COate specific thing. If? This is where the question gets skewed.

because you were doing merch for your band. So they think, of course this is going to you. It's your band. If a random person is doing merch and they are not in the band, the person giving the tip does not believe that it is going to the band. So in your years of doing merch for terror? Listen, yes. Here's the thing.

I spent years of my life behind a fucking merch table. I know you did. You did a great job. Thank you. I'm telling you. You want to know if this is a nice thing. This is a new thing. Quick sidebar.

First night of a five-week Acacia Strain tour that he was doing merch for terror on. It was the end of the very first show, and I said to him, I feel like we didn't really get to hang out. He said, we got five weeks, man. Just a fond memory I have. Yeah. Did you hang out much on that tour? Yeah.

We did. Me and Bo have toured together quite a few times. We have, yeah. My real point. Smackman was on that tour. This is a situational argument, and I think it is hardcore punk specific. Interesting. I'm setting, I'm setting the.

The fucking, I am laying the law down right now. That's why we must have this conversation. Your tips when you are buying merch from a band is going to the merch person. And it should go to the merch person. Absolutely. They are taking time out of their life to do a job for a ban. And if the merch guy makes more money on tips than the band that night, that's kind of the band's fault. Yes.

Sorry. It's your agent's fault. What do you think the solution is for that? the solution for people thinking that? The solution for making the outcome, the net money fare across the board. I understand that you don't think there necessarily needs to be one. I'm just curious if you could think of one.

I think that it just needs to remain the way it is. If you are not making money, if your merch person is making more money than you on a nightly basis, you don't need a merch person. You don't need a merch person. Right. Do it yourself. That's kind of the ultimate.

answer and that's why most of our bands do exactly that. Just do it ourselves. I would love to have a merch person and not do anything but we aren't a band that is going to be like, we're going to make so much money. I just go up there and do it myself.

And then those tips by the hotel or buy the hotel, whatever. Those tips, because we're doing it ourselves, they are going to go to the band and we are going to buy food or going to buy a hotel or whatever the fuck with it. Shove it up our own asses. Whatever the fuck we're doing. Whatever you want.

But on a tour, when there is a merch person, me, 19 year old me, just being like, oh, I don't have money to you. That is going to me. Yes. And it should. Yes. You did the job. You were tipped for the job. That is why I got, it came in so hot.

But the thing, we agree with you. I know that. It's the children who are wrong. It is. They're confused. It is the children. And bless them for thinking. that in a sense and being like, oh, I'm going to

pay extra for this shirt so the band gets more money. But it doesn't work that way. Not always the case. Not always the case. It's really, it's never the case. If there's a guy that's not in the band doing the merch, the tips are for him. Depends on the size of the

venue, I suppose, door money. Well, a lot of the time the venue is venue sell. Like those bigger arenas turnstile at this point, those are venue sell arenas. Yeah, there's Their Turteltyle-Siles merch guy isn't selling those shirts. He still is currently, I'll say that.

It's going to change. It's going to change very soon. Venue sells and artist sells. You become a merch manager and not a merch. I did a bit of merch last night in the bay. I find that people are much more generous. Yes. Than pre-COVID.

Oh, post-COVID tipping is fucking. It's great. Also, here's the thing. Electronically is why people tip more now. Because it's just easy. It's like, it's not. even there. Is there any app that unifies all payment forms? Square.

Square is probably as close as you. So you can have a square account that's connected to Benmo, cash app? You know what I'm saying? No, you got a Venmo. Last night we took fucking cash, Apple pay, fucking cash app, Venmo, PayPal, all of it, yeah. Bill Young 666, Benmo. I got

banned from Venmo. Me too. Really? Why? Did you do something naughty? I remember when you got fucked over about. I just was doing stupid shit. You were? See, I was fucked. I remember that. The phone?

I'm sorry. I'm going to get into this on the fucking show. I'm sorry. It's a dark time. This is all redacted. I was banned from Venmo. Unjustly. Years ago.

And I called them like six months ago to unband me, and they were like, no, foot down. We won't do it. I didn't do anything wrong. You didn't do it. You got scammed. Zell is the goat. Yes. Zell is the goat.

You know what? Zell really is the goat. The bank account is a bad. It doesn't even. The matter what bank you got. I can let a rip. And George Washington, Ben Franklin can't see the shit that I'm doing on Zell. Venmo, they're looking at everything.

Venmo is just full of cops. So is the best thing to do just have like a printed out laminated sheet with all the QR codes and just be like, take your pick? I guess. Yeah. Okay. Because I know I've sat there 20 times. We're like, oh, hold on. Let me pull up my.

So fucking annoying. Yeah, I didn't have a good time doing that. I'll tell you what. No. It's a tough life we live, huh? It's a weird, weird little world. Are you going to be touring? No.

Like, do you have intentions to like, be like, here's a, I don't know, I don't know, but don't, unions get, you get some time off. Here's the thing. If two weeks a year. Is that true? No, we, no, no, no, no, no, no, you get, like. We don't get, I don't get paid off. Okay.

If I don't work, I don't get paid. Yeah. But if it rains. If it rains, we go home. We met up with, uh. My workers don't work in the rain. Just so you know. Yeah, we met up with Charles Mark last night.

Oh. Shit. He's still an iron worker. Yeah, shout of Charlie. Charlie's fucking working, I think, up there in Local 378, funny enough. Yeah. And Lord of the Allies. And yeah, he's an iron worker.

Shout out to all my local 40 brothers. If for some reason you passed us and watch us, shout out to you guys. Shout out to the rain day players. When I lived with him and it was like rain forecast tomorrow, it was like, oh, that's a snow day? That's like Christmas morning. But you get paid. So being an iron worker in fucking Seattle is like, well, here's the best job in the world.

It's conditional. Yeah. Charlie was getting paid because he was connecting. So he was getting. He got like that people who know what that is, but he was at like a very top level. So they would be like he's connecting. He's getting 40 hours straight. Doesn't matter about the weather.

No wind. Doesn't matter. Rain day. Oh, my God. I'm going to come. Yeah. Fucking. There is nothing.

We, oh, man. My old co-worker, I'm cracking up on it. My old coworker, Richie Perez, shout out, Richie, is the absolute king of rain days. If there was a hint of a drizzle in the air, he would show up in sweatpants and be like, I ain't working. And just go home. It was awesome. You good with heights? Yeah, I don't give you.

Is that something you learned, or have you always been? I've never really cared about heights But there is like a necessity of just being like Even if you are You gotta do it yeah You better to suck it up You work with guys who are? I have worked with a couple

I've worked with a couple guys Sometimes people freak out Sometimes people just freeze up It's a thing How strapped in are you? Uh-oh I don't like that face How strapped in should you be?

I should be tied off 100% at all times Like and that's like Over six feet Yeah Wow. That's all I'll say. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Listen, sometimes the job is easier to do not like that. But we have to maintain a level of professionalism and safety and all that we do. OSHA, earmuffs? Yes. Although. Although, you can take them off now. It's hard, man. It's a fucking brutal job.

It's not safe. It is safe, but it isn't. It can be not safe. Yeah. It's very easy to make a very dangerous job. It's extremely hard. It's brutal. You ever catch an arc?

Yeah. I have zapped myself so many goddamn times. Oh, my God. You know, it's just something that happens. Yeah. You know, just going blind for the day. Oh, yeah. What time you get up for work?

I, currently I wake up at about 5.45. And I'm late. My partner wakes up at, he lives upstate New York, he has the drive down. He wake, that motherfucker wakes up at like 3.45 sometimes. But it's a job where it's like you work it for however many years, you're set, right? Like, when it comes to you, benefits, retirement plans, all the. There is a very, very good package that we have. Point being, trades are fucking dope.

If you're a young kid and you're like, oh, I'm going to go to school for this and that and you're not really sure and everything, hey man, go learn a trade. You can always just not do it anymore and shelf your book. Right. True. You can learn a trade, get your card, become a journeyman after four years, three years, shelf your book. Go do something else. Everyone I know of our age, of our like whatever community who does a trade is like, yeah, this is what I do. It rocks.

Like I don't, you know, despite it being hard and challenging and obviously, I'm not trying to diminish that, it's always just like, yeah, I can do this. When the building is done, you get to be like, damn, I fucking made a building. Any dope buildings you finish? And you're like, yo, that's, I literally made that. So I worked on the rings of the Freedom Tower. If you look at the Freedom Tower, right at the top, there's like rings that go around. You can go, that's my ring. Yeah.

That's my ring. That's the one that I'm always like worked on the Trade Center, you know? That's cool. Because it was before my time, but I got to work on an afterfact. This would obviously be post 9-11 then. This is a post-9-11 more? I'm 65 years old One of my favorite things is like weird rivalries

Who do ironworkers 9-11? Oh, okay What other trade? What other trades? There's like, oh, the fucking electricians are coming in or whatever. Yeah? Everybody can get it. Everybody's a bum.

Everybody's a bum, everybody can get it. Wow. The only ones we don't are the operators because the operators work with us, crane operators. Those operators are our boys. Everybody else can fucking get it. I love that. They're the medic.

And you're the soldiers. Yes. Yes. Wow. Beautiful. Yeah. It's a weird dynamic. Iron workers are just assholes.

And I know it, and I'm sorry. You're wonderful. You call me on my birthday. I know that. But I'm saying in general terms, iron workers are just cock suckers. I got you. How does it feel knowing that your girlfriend, Becca, Becca, the beautiful, lovely Becca

Kindest can be The kindest can be The nicest person in the world Maybe the most talented person That anybody knows Without She's the absolute most talented Here's a couple pictures

That she's taken That will blow your mind Here Here How about that Not so much here Right here Right there

Nope ship shape Yeah She's She is so talented And is You know Obviously very humble

about it, doesn't want to eat it that she is. It's just like off the charts. If you are into hardcore now, there is a giant chance that you own records that she took pictures of for the cover or for the insert

or anything like that. She's just incredible. It's insane. I made a big tweet about it, but her and Kat are the ones where like you can clearly see they applied everything they took from hardcore into the real world and made it made something out of it to the point where like every time they put it's like appointment viewing for me yeah every time Becca posts a new thing oh yeah that's like the new drop yeah that's like

phoebe bridgers pick that's got to analyze it insane that pic that's like kaleidoscope looking ass one that is that one of my favorites that was fucking awesome she's done so many good portraits of people too you know she does portraits of Gwen Stefani like every every other week at this point, basically. But she's done so many of those that are so good that I like. But she does have so many good pictures of just, like, candid shots of friends hanging out and things like that. Doesn't it doesn't you have to be like a performance-based thing.

She's good. She took some Gatshay promos. She did, and those are good. The one against the fence with the little smoke. With the skies, like smoke? How did that actually do that? Exactly. It's definitely like hot dog cart smoke.

And it just looks insane. It's something. I don't know what it is. That was a really nice second. We've never really talked about, like, the significant other. We've got to do it, yeah. Yeah, you're gonna, Becca, turn, pause this. Earmuffs, yes.

You gonna do it? You gonna put it on it? You're gonna put a ring on it? Of course, yeah. Okay, Alan, you can listen again. Listen again, Becca. Mazel to you. What time is it?

Hanukkah is two hours away. This is, would you get her? Oh, I can't say it. She's not gonna see this till months later. That's a good point. Actually. This is a full one now. So this could go up in like two weeks.

Yeah. So I got her something. Just don't worry. Very nice. It's nice. It's not what you think it is. Oh. Well, there's several days of Hanukkah, so it's true. Will one of the days be with it?

Eightful. All eight of them. Well, good. Yeah. Well, this was just a lovely chat. Yeah. I love doing it. This was supposed to be a mini, but it's not.

You can see that you're watching. Oh, holy shit. It is not. Yeah. It's just how it goes. It's a full episode. I love it. This is a full one.

Let's do it again sometime. I would love it. When the first EP comes out, We'll do it. Yeah, great idea. I think they're playing Brohim right now. Yeah, with dude from Pennywise. 5B.

5B artist Pennywise. 5B show, Hardlore. Thank you, Dan. We've got to bring you back with Gian. I really get into that. That'd be fun. You know what we should do it? That flat spot show you guys should come out to New York.

Where does that? Speed. It's speed flat spot. Oh, yeah. That's a crazy gig. What is it? Six months away. Oh, okay.

I think we'll be at Disturbing the Peace. So will we see you there? We could do it then? Well, there you go. We'll see it there. Yeah. Well, Dan. What a treat.

This, I could go another hour. We can make it a, you know, full-length movie. We got Scorseseo over here. We've got treatments, yeah. We should say who Sean does. Just real quick. Oh, that was pretty funny. We showed up today.

We did the Hoogie-Doo. episode with T.A. Today, unannounced. He goes, by the way, I do Scorsesea and Arnovsky. Hey, listen, I'm going to say this really quick. I think that mother, stop, is one of the worst movies. Oh, thank you, God. It is, it is unwatchable. It's a piece of shit. It is a piece of shit. It's like a high school student was like, I'm into art. Yeah. Let me show you how fucked the world really used and made miserable holy miserable the i would say the mummy with tom cruz i haven't seen that don't transformers uh which one the last night was shy le buff in it no this is the shy ones shy's my fucking man so

the it was i think it was called uh the last night or something the last samurai the last samurai is a masterpiece um but tom cruise the mummy the very last transformers won and Mother are the three worst theater movies I've stayed through all the way in my whole line. I left House of... What's the fucking movie with Lady Gaga? Oh, House of Gucci? My mom was like, I can't watch this. And my mom would love that.

But Jared Leto looks so silly that I love that. Dude, the sex scene? Yeah, it's crazy. Unbelievable. That's crazy. Yeah, Mother is one of the worst movies ever. What'd you say about Aronovsky? You said like early Aronovsky.

Early Aronautics. Demo Aronautics. Requiem. Yeah, House of Gucci. We got up and left. Yeah, right in the middle. Yeah, mother's a piece of shit. Dan's a good guy.

He's got good tastes. He loves beans. Beans. He loves everybody gets hurt. He loves his girlfriend. I do. Thank you so much for joining us, Dan. Becca, thank you for listening.

Thank you all for being here. Sean, thanks for editing this. Thanks, Sean. We love you so much. Bye. Bye. Goodbye. Inscaped.com.