HardLore - Emma Boster: The First Lady of HardLore

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

Colin and Bo speak with Dying Wish singer Emma Boster about gross houses, aliens, being vegan on tour, and living with ghosts.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Yeah, ma. All right. I was like, why did you say my name? It's just maybe the most fun name to say because of that one TikTok with the Aussie chicks. I've never seen it. Oh, you haven't. No, I'm sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay. Well, I'll send it to you after we're done. Okay. Hello and welcome. It's hard Lord time. It's hard Lord time. It's hard Lord time. How's it going, bro?

It's going. I'm steamed, brother. That's how it's going. You're heated. You're fired up. I'm fired up. It's 4th of July. Fireworks are going off.

I can't have my damn air conditioner on because... The Aurora Borealis is fucking going on. They can't see that. That's just Zoom. Come on, brother. Oh. You got to think fourth dimensionally. Fuck.

Well, you should see it. Real quick, let's apologize for the audio from last stream of from my microphone. We're still working on that and trying to figure out. why all of a sudden I got real loud. Sorry. We'll figure it out someday, but more importantly, Bohan, we have a very special guest. Who do we got?

My good friend Emma from Dawing Weish, the legendary metalcore act, carrying the torch for the genre. Emma, thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for having me. That was the nicest introduction. ever. It's, I mean, it's, we're honored to have you. The first woman on the show. It's true. Whoa. That's crazy. Come on. That is accurate. We should talk about that.

We should, well, we've tried to be fair. We've only had like six episodes. I know. I'm just kidding. We've tried. Yeah, we have tried. It's an accurate ratio. Yeah. How many? This is also like week three of trying to get you on. So. And that. And we don't have a guest every time, Emma. So why don't we? That's true. That's true. Sorry. You know what? It's my fault. I've been really flaky. I apologize about that. No, no, no. No. No. No. No. The first of many women, okay? Yes.

But you have the honor of being number one. Emma has a very thorough scheduler, day planner. She's a scheduler. We learned that. She penciled us in. Every detail of my life is in that thing. It's all the way over there. Otherwise, I would show you.

We're also starting like five minutes early. So thank you so much for being flexible for booting five minutes out of your day for us, lowly folk. Of course. You've been going hard as fuck the past couple years. Yeah, it's especially like the last year, you know, we've been, I think we did four full U.S. tours since September, technically. So, yeah, it's been busy. Wow. Four U.S. tours?

Since September and it's July. So that's four tours in nine months. That's a busy boy. Are you? okay thank you for asking it's been like kind of shocking and very overstimulating

it's been an adjustment to make for sure but I'm doing well I just like I'm trying to find the balance on the road because we haven't really toured very much before the pandemic we did like you know a couple weeks here like a regional

support but I I'm trying to find a balance for me because it's like gone from being in the pandemic and staying home and, you know, really enjoying my company by myself and then being surrounded by five other people every single second of every day. So it's an adjustment. One of which is Gabe Bacera. That's true. And I know what that's like. And I know what that's like.

You've also before these many tours started pumping freaking raw. iron two to three days straight at a time. Oh, man. How is that on tour? Because I haven't toured since being a guy who cares about his well-being. So I'm curious what that's like. It's hard. It's hard because here at home I go four days a week.

I have a four-day-a-week routine. And then on the road, you know, I go to Planet Fitness. Fuck, yeah. Gabe and I. Gabe and I will go to Planet Fitness in the morning sometimes. and like, you know, we'll work out and then take a shower. But, like, when you haven't eaten anything in the morning, because you wake up in the parking lot of a planet fitness,

like that can get kind of rough. You do that? And, yeah, sometimes. Are you guys a hotel band or are you just rough in it? It really depends. We like hotels. Yeah. Totally.

That, the Acacia Strain tour was such, like, a blessing because we played two shows in every city. So we got a hotel or a place to stay like every other night essentially. But Pedro and Sam love to rip overnight drives. If it's like six hours or more, we'll drive because like it's just easier to get to where we're going and then, you know, figure out everything day of

and not have to like stress about loading in, you know. How old are they, Pedro and Sam? We're all the same age. Andrew is 29, actually, I think. No. But we're all like 27. I turn 20 in September. We're all like kind of in the same age range there. 27 was the beginning of the end for years truly. That's when every part of my well-being started falling apart. Other limbs started farting. Straight up. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm sorry, man. I'm still on the one. I have insurance. I haven't been able to get it checked out. Oh, geez. Well, I'll just listen to a couple farts once we wrap here. I'll let you know. I can diagnose him pretty good at this point. Waking up in the parking lot of the plan fitness, to me, I'd be like, how well, how well do you sleep? Are you a good van sleeper or are you, is it, do you wake up like, fuck, another day? They have a whole set up too.

Tell them about your gimmick, yeah. So we have a sprinter van and a trailer and it's a, it's a freaking freightliner diesel. so it's a big thing. Wow. And two seats up front. And then there's Gabe's bench right behind. So he always sleeps on the bench right behind the driver's seat. That's where I sleep, too, Gabe, right now.

Yep. That's the Alec bench. He claimed it day one. He learned that from Alec Faber, who he learned a lot from, the easy way or the hard way. I get motion sick. So if I can sit up and be by like the air or whatever that helps me, Great. It's my favorite. Yeah, sometimes he'll sit there with the light on, like, after we leave the venue.

And he and I have this bit because I, like, do not like when the lights are on at all. And he'll just have the light on and just, like, chill while it's, like, really dark. While you're in motion? Yeah. That's illegal, Gabe. My dad told me. He doesn't care. It's funny. But, yeah, behind that, we took out a bench. Oh, sorry.

Continue. I want to talk about Gabe as much as possible because he's hilarious. Yeah, we could do that. And he'd love that because I know he's going to watch. This is your time. I don't want to interrupt you ever. Okay. Well, real quick, behind Gabe's bench, there's like, we took out a bench.

So there's just the floor. And then we got this mattress pad that we put a fitted sheet over and we put the mattress pad on the ground and then there's the back bench. So two people sleep on the mattress pad. One person sleeps like on the back bench. And then there's the driver. someone will sleep passenger. And like the guys will tell you this too.

I'm like kind of spoiled when it comes to like sleeping spots because like my instrument is my voice and like I need to rest. So I usually sleep pretty comfortably in the van, but I would prefer a hotel most of the time. I can't. I can't believe that you can. Like I sing too, you know. Nobody, nobody understands that about the sport that we're in, Emma. everybody just says fuck you

you're on your own you piece of shit dude I'm thinking about the second someone turns on a light in the harm's way band the second like Chris Chris is a sauce man he loves if we get Taco Bell

fire sauce it's going on right and yep and it'll be it'll be like light on yo you don't want that light like every fucking time he like that that vine of like holy shit what the fun like that that's james like Taylor can't sandal life yeah that shit cannot be on so we we generally don't eat in motion

so that we can eat with the lights on that makes perfect because because Taylor's a big like it's it's illegal I'll get pulled over and you know what's funny is I get secondhand anxiety because I don't want James to get pissed so I'm like Turn that light out, man. James is going to get mad at us. You don't like him when he's angry. Oh, man. Yeah, it's illegal.

We can't, like, go through drive-thers anymore, so, like. Because you're sprinter? Because of the trailer. Holy shit. The trailer. We'll get stuck. I mean, I don't even think, it's so tall. It's, like, over nine feet tall.

I don't even think we could make it. So we just like. Sprinter in America feels, it feels taboo. Well, dude, there's no transit. Everything's in transit now. Oh. So the EF50 is just gone. It's gone.

Wow. That's why we were trying to sell ours because we were like, well, maybe we can make and nobody, we got, we had no takers. So if you're interested in a thing you don't fit in. What? It's sprinter or a thing you don't fit in? Well, they have the transits and it's all individual seats. Even the benches are like scooped so you can't lay across them without like a board or some gimmick. I'll quit music.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. You put me in that thing, too, though, is like. And Nick and Chris are the kings of like, we stop at a rest stop and there's a Denny's. And Chris will go in and get like an order of scrambled eggs. What? And then be in the, to go and then be in the van and meet the light on. You know, so it's like, it's not that we're all eating.

Chris just decides like, I'm going to get some fucking eggs from Denny's or something. Scrambled eggs in the van is brutal. Yeah. I don't know. There's very few less mobile foods than a scrambled. a leg. Wrap it in a tortilla or something, brother. So Gabe, huh?

What's talking with him like now? I feel like I created the monster that is Gabe. Oh, Gabe. He rocks. He's, um, I think a lot of us tend to be like a little quieter and like, you know, we're like a, we're like a joky band. Like, you know, we've got a lot of bits and stuff. But Gabe's just like kind of, um, he's like the most talkative one and he's like always like

doing some crazy stuff. to like make people laugh like I don't know he's he's an entertainer for sure he's like a jester he's the dying wish local jester yeah the clown sad he just juggles to to get dying wish laughing he's always like screaming or like I don't know just he does this like like scream that I don't know he's I feel like so he he had done like one other tour when we we initially brought him on tour and it was he referred to it as the momentum tour tour because he toured with momentum for one and two it was the only tour he had done so every sentence had a trigger that was like oh this one time in the momentum tour and we I feel like

he's thriving now you know and I love to see it he's doing great but we prepared him in like the most brutal way possible because it was basically like we had to train him you know he wasn't ready. Well, how much older are you guys than than he is? Because Gabe and I are the same age. What is he? 27? You know, so we're kind of like on the same. You don't want to answer that. I see.

College, I froze. No, I froze. That's fine. Oh, you actually froze? Yeah, I did. Is he 27? I think so, yeah. Okay, well, I'm three years older than him, but Sean Martin's in the van.

My brother's in the van. Taylor's my age. Taylor's, Alec is 33, I think, 32, 33. He'll let me to, he'll correct me after this. So I'm the closest one to Gabe. And so I'm like, I got to be the nice guy, you know, when Alec is throwing fucking shoes at him and whatnot.

Well, you know, he needed. I'll be it. Even Gabe would be like, I needed it. I needed the shoe. Everyone in Dying Wish loves Gabe. Like, he's literally like the same. sixth member of the band at this point. He's a war manager now. It's not that we don't love Gabe. We love Gabe.

And that's why it was like Gabe, I have to, I have to, I have to punish you so that you can thrive, you know, suffer to return harder. Terror was notorious for that for for road dogs. And it started with buried alive too. There's like, at Andy. Yes, that's right. Well, the guy who used to sing for convicted, Charlie, road dog with buried alive. alive and terror for a long time. And there was like a story. God, it was either, I hope I'm not fucking. I'm fucking the story up in one way, but it was either the buried alive van, like,

caught on fire, or it was the Fallow Boy van, because he toured with them as well when they were in a van and reached in. He was in his underwear because he was sleeping and it was hot. The van caught on fire. They all got out. And then he reached in and grabbed a bag of money, but he grabbed the coins. because we're talking 90s and not the paper money. Not the bills.

Not the bills. So his money did jiggle, jiggle and didn't fold. Yes. Very sad. Emma, we got a couple, we got some stock questions here now,

but we'll get into the, the specifics of this. We'll finish off with food because that's, that's where we like to really go off the fucking deep end. And she's vegan. So. Oh. So we're going to disagree.

But also, I guess we'll get into, so you and I kind of first spent, like, extended amount of time with each other on that twitching tongues Vamakara thing, right? Mm-hmm. But did we, did we meet at Monty's? Monti's. Good Burger? Yeah. Yeah. Remember that?

It was me, you, Dom, and other? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Here's the thing. I think that we've probably met many times before. Like, whether it be like a show in Portland, because I remember you guys like playing a basement and then you played analog and then Rainfest. But like that was the first time we'd ever like actually like met met. Like hello. Montes. Yeah. Hello. I'm blank. Hello. Was that not after that teaching tongues for? It had to have been before. I met Dom on the Twitching Tongs tour. Then it was, then it was after.

It was after. But that was like, that was like peak eating disorder mania for me. And I'll never forget, I'll never forget that day because I walked there. And that's like eight miles for my apartment. Oh my God. So I was like,

I got there, I was just like, Emma, we definitely met at Hawthorne. I remember spending $50. Yeah. Sorry. I was just going to say, I remember spending $50 on food at Montes that day. I've never gone back.

No. Oh, the sea was angry that day and I'm the fucking sea. Bo, what were you going to say? Emma, did you book shows at Harthorne or were you working, like, running the show? Or like, what was you, what were you doing in what capacity there? both um so i originally the first thing i ever did at hawthorne was book trapped under ice there and then um oh well i i was working as a stage hand for some reason um because uh i was like looking to get into production i worked trapped under ice and then um i became trapped under ice had stage hands

um well i booked that show and then i believe Yeah, any show at the Hawthorne, you have at least one stage hand and front of house that also helps load. Hawthorne's a cool venue, actually. I enjoy it very much. We always, like, it's always good every time we've played there. I think we've only played maybe three or four times, but... Have I ever been there, Emma? Would you know?

I don't think so. I don't think so. That's, like, kind of a rare experience, Bo. I mean, I love the Hawthorne. Like, I grew up in the industry in that venue. and I'm really proud of the work that I have done there, but I've heard a lot of people say really bad things about it. No way.

I had a blast. Like genuinely, all the shows were always good. The last time we were there, we headlined in Soft Killed played, and it was fucking awesome. I heard that every band that plays there gets a stage hand, so. Yeah. I'd keep me coming back. It's the size of my closet.

So that's like the big compartment. plant but yeah that's probably the only but there's a dope grocery store right across the street so you're eating good there's restaurants coffee yeah great venue i actually really like it a lot kylan i have a story so we played there on the black dahlia tour that we did and you know emma you know how there's like two green rooms on either stage left and stage right and they're like raised so colin if you like if you go to like this the there's like a small stage set and then if you go to like the landing that's in front of the green room you can like look basically over the band playing from like either stage writer states left if i personally do that i can

see the band you gotta clear it with emma probably but yes yeah yeah but on the on the opposite side of the stage so literally across it was it was fucking iron regan playing uh iron regan was a was a a representative from a record label who was talking to us, who was interested in talking to us. And this person was just stare like we were watching Iron Reagan and they're having cool like thrash set, you know, lots of stage dives and stuff. And he was just staring at us just from across the way like the whole time. And then we like met him. Introductions were made took us out to eat right up the street.

And everyone ordered something and you know, I think it was actually just me, Chris and James, because at the time Nick and the other person who was with us, it wasn't case he wasn't in the band, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, so we were eating and Chris ordered Chris's vegetarian, and he ordered, you know, a salad or whatever, and record label guy said, you fuck, have some meat. Oh, my God.

They took us to Wood Ranch. Oops, that same label. We went to Woodramp. So, Colin ate good that day. But they need no fucking salad, I'll tell you that. 8 great, just, you know, learned about, just learned. Met an individual who we hadn't met before. He was very much from, like, the old school, you know.

He is, yeah. You got to rock the fuck out of this place, then I, guys. Yeah, yeah. It was cool. It was fun. Emma. Yes. Do you have, when I say worst show you've ever played,

is there something that comes to mind that makes your, that makes your body temp raise, like, four to eight degrees? Um, yeah, I have one, um, that there was just so many things wrong with it that we, we left that venue that day and I was fucking pissed, you know. Um, it was when we were first a band, we were playing Houston. And it was a matinee show. Strike two. So already.

Um, yeah. And, uh, this was a long time ago. So I don't remember a whole lot, minus the crowd was like, all right. And then after we stopped playing, and I have the utmost respect for a lot of front of house people. But, you know, there's like kind of like this trope of local front of house guys, like being assholes. It's not barely a trope. It's 99.5%. There's no, it's not like there's smoke without fire.

Yeah. fuckers. Right. If they don't have an iPad, they're a bad person. Oh man, the iPad. But yeah, I know this guy felt the need to get on to the PA after we played and mock the way that my talking voice sounds as compared to my screaming voice. Yeah. And the rest of the bands had men in them. And so they all just were really mad about it. And I just remember being like, please don't, just don't address it. Like, it doesn't have to be a thing. But I remember, like, every band that played for the rest of the show just got up there and, like, kind of ripped him a new one in front of everybody. And it was, it just totally, the tension in the room just, like, dropped to the floor.

It was very strange. Oh, that's good. Yeah, this was a long time ago. But, you know, we've been lucky to have tours with awesome, awesome, you know, bands recently. And even if, you know, it's not, like, the best reaction, like, nothing really horrible has happened. So, that's good. That's great. Honestly, like, like you said, I think the base, the normal instinct for a band that's touring with you is to be like, okay, well, fuck that guy.

Let's, let's respond in our own way. And especially, like, you and I are friends. It would have been, I would have had the same reaction and felt the same way. But, like, I don't understand that, like, the mentality there just to get, be like, all right, well, there's a woman at that band I got it I got to figure something out I got to do something about that the guy

like there's here's I got I got something for that knock loose acacia strain and us we're on a tour we were playing I don't even need to say where

but basically Taylor does the merch for not clues and for anyone who doesn't know Taylor is is a lady and she does more than merch she does light and she's fucking incredible.

And genuinely one of my favorite people I've been on tour with. The guy who was doing the- She has a master's degree. Did you know that? I had no idea. No. My God. Is that true?

It's not. But Brian told me she did. Okay. So. Well, okay. So the guy, the merch count guy, was like, this isn't, literally was like, this isn't my first show, my first rodeo, little lady. Oh.

Like, I know you, I know these numbers aren't true. I know you were sneaking stuff in. And not to, you know, talk out of turn. They, they can't sneak stuff in because, you know, they're very, they do very well. And she was just kind of like, what the fuck? And, like, expressed it. The whole tour kind of found out at the end of the show, everyone, the whole tour, we're like talking to each other, blah, blah, blah.

And Devin, big man from Acacia Strain, pulls a Kramer going to get the statue from the dude's house, just goes and straight up. grabs the guy by the scruff, brings them to the group and just goes, apologize. Wow. And the guy said, I don't want any trouble. I'm sorry. I realize I shouldn't have said what I said.

Don't even worry about the cut. So like it's different than I think the important thing is not to be like, it's to be like, hey, you need to apologize for what you said. And you need to realize that the way you, you didn't say that to James. Yeah. We were definitely sneaking merchant. you know what I mean like I've never not snuck merchant exactly you know so it's like hmm I wonder why he only fucking said that to Taylor when no one else was around you know

I mean so it's like pointing that out I think is is key that's an interesting Emma are there other situations I hate I hate to go the route of like once it like to be a woman in music because like obviously that's every fucking interview you'll ever get but the reality is the reality is the reality is, like, there's nothing cooler than being a woman who rocks in music, you know? I don't think there's, I don't think there's a thing that people naturally want to gravitate towards more than that. If you're not an asshole, you're going to look at that peripherally and be like, all right, I have to support this because it's cool.

I pop for it for like influences. So I think when, when younger girls who aren't sure what they're maybe capable of or dotting themselves or whatever, see you or see Riba, you know, see people in bands who aren't the typical like metal guy or whatever the fuck. Like, that's, for me, I think that's the coolest thing on earth. Like, that's my favorite shit. Because that's what got us all into music, right? It's like our heroes or whatever.

Right. Yeah, like, I don't know. I think a lot of like the really gross stuff that I dealt with was probably, you know, a good five years ago when we were super new. And ever since then, there's been this huge, you know, surge of women and, you know, other, like, non-binary, like, femme presenting people being in bands. And so I think it's definitely more common now and there's these conversations happening now. So it's not as weird.

And that's awesome because, you know, it's, I can. can see it becoming normalized in real time, the more that bands play shows, we play shows, and just as time goes on generally. And I feel like you guys could probably see it too. Absolutely. 100%. Each generation leaves their mark in a very special way. And things just kind of get a little easier for everybody for the next generation.

And the way that you guys are doing that will be. felt for a long time. Wow. Well, thank you. It's fucking sick. You know it. That's awesome. I guess we could go into Best Show, but like, where's the fun in that, you know?

I love talking shit, so. Well, is there, okay, you know, and you can be as careful as you want here, but Bo and I have stayed in some real fucking dirt holes. We've talked about that. Is there a worst place you've stayed that comes to mind? Probably my least favorite city. in the world is Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Oh, never been. It's rough.

We've played a couple shows there and just like weird experiences. And then, yeah, we stayed at a house there one time that was hard. You know, like, I always appreciate when people want to offer their homes, but I don't think that certain people, if they've never been on tour, they don't know, like, exactly, you know, what is acceptable for six people to sleep in versus not. And that's almost, they're flat fishing. That's almost flat fishing.

Colin coined it. It's like catfishing, but with their flat. And you just said basically what we said, like, verbatim. Yeah. Bermatim when we were first talking about that. It feels shitty to say this, but, like, it almost feels like they care more about, oh, like a band staying at my house than like actually like, you know, like helping a band out with the place to say because it's like, cool, you have tile floors

and two sofa chairs and like something like that. That you all share. Not even. And this, there was one house that we stayed in and this shower was so bad. And I literally stood in the shower. and as I was in there, I was like, I'm getting dirtier by being in here than I was before I got in here,

and I just started sobbing. I've had two moments like that where it was one shower that was like freshly jizzed in and I was the first person showering in there from the band, fresh jizz. And I looked at the shampoos. None of them were a jizz-like texture.

So that was human. The second. The second. Burgs floating. Dude, the second, have you guys ever stayed at a place

with a well shower? Oh, oh, like well water? Yes. Yeah. Oh. Like you're showering

in poop? No, it's poop. Oh. Well, it's sulfur. Yeah, it's sulfur.

Yeah, it's, it's sulfur, so it smells like ferns. It's poop. No. So. So. So.

I've, dude, on Warp's where we took monster canned water showers. Right. That sucks. That's better.

I'll take that over the well, man. But it sucks. You know what I mean? It just sucks. Or like the communal showers on Warp Tour, where there's just like 300 people sloshing around. Like Ronnie Radkekeke's in there. He probably had a shower on his bus. Dude, you want to know a great, I got to tell a quick Chris Mill's story.

You're going to love this. Did I tell the bus story about why he stayed on the other bus? No. So Harmsway was. sharing a bus with every time I die, but there was, we were one bunk short for everyone to have a bunk. So Chris stayed with unearth on their bus. And we were going to do, it was a five-week tour. There was five of us. We were going to do one week at a time, which is disgusting because no one cleans those sheets. You know what I'm saying? So that's never a good idea. I was going to ask

that about your little van mattress, Emma. You all washing that sheet on the bed? Um, I feel like, yeah, we do sometimes, but we just, okay, that sounds horrible. Um, we do, we do. I feel like we'd sooner just like, uh, buy a new sheet. That's like a thing that Dying Wish would do. Yeah. Respect. Yeah.

We love buying stuff. So, sorry I didn't wrap. No, no, not at all. So like the week is coming up and we drew cards for who had to move. And I think Casey was next. And Chris was like, hey, Casey, don't even worry about it. Like, I'll just stay. It's just like, you know, whatever.

And obviously, like, none of us were really tight with on Earth. We're all really, so it's like the fun bus versus, you know what I mean? It turned out to be the fun bus versus the nice bus. It was the fun bus versus a bus with a shower on it. Oh. Found out like four weeks in. So Chris had the jackpot and didn't fucking tell us. Literal jackpot.

Literal jackpot. I call that strategy. He's a smart man. Because he got fucked. And then, but you fuck. yourself trying to fuck him. He didn't get fucked. We were all going to get fucked.

We were all going to. He got fucked first. He was first in line. That's the hardest one. We all know that. I've never asked this before on the show. I'm going to ask everybody going forward. Yeah, yeah.

So this is good too because when we had people back, we can. We can ask them this. And I have. So I'm not going to think you're crazy if you say yes. Okay. Emma? Huh? Have you ever seen a ghost? Oh, yeah.

Instant? You didn't even hesitate one second. Neither of you saw a fucking ghost. I literally will take, I will die by this. What did you say, Bo? I said neither of you have seen a ghost. No one has seen the ghost ever on earth. Shut up. You haven't seen what I've seen, man.

Oh, I know. Fill me in. I lived in a house when we first moved to, so I lived in Southern Oregon until I was like 13, almost 14, and then we moved to the Portland area and we moved into this house and it was brand new and built in Oregon City, which is like the oldest established city on the West Coast, if I remember correctly from the history I learned from the place I live for so long. And so there was always like this really eerie feeling there. And I had like a theory that it was like built on top of like some old graves before.

like cemeteries were a thing or something. Classic move. Now I sound crazy, but I was going to say the same thing. I swear to God, I saw a cloaked figure float across my living room one time. And other things had happened, but I was only ever home alone. And it was like praying on me because I was like new and young and like living in this new environment and didn't have any friends and I felt like it was feeding off of like my energy. Wow. And it was evil. Wow. Just a malignant presence.

It was scary. But what's your fucking problem, huh? You're over there smirking like your fucking lepercon. I don't, I do not disbelieve people. I don't think people are like making shit up. I really genuinely don't. I'm crazy. But I think I think there's like lots of weird shit can happen when we're sleepy. Lots of weird shit can happen when you daydream. I fucking thought I time traveled in high school once, straight up. You did? No, I fell. I fell as,

You remember me? No, I just, I think that there's a lot of, like, there's frequencies that we can't hear. There's kinds of light that we can't see. Oh, my God. There's lots of things that we don't know how to proceed. There's literally nothing I can't see, okay? And I know that because I saw. Ultraviolet light, x-rays, radio, stuff like that is one of the media.

I'm seeing him right now and one is saying fuck bow. I don't. I have never seen anything. Okay. I would love to. It's not. That's not. That's your journey, man.

I've only seen one. And I was in the right place at the wrong time. I believe in paranormal things, but I don't believe in a, any kind of a afterlife explanation. I'm with you. I'm with you. And that's what made,

that's what is so complicated for me. Because, like, to believe in, to believe in, like, hell, you have to believe in God. And it's just not a thing. It is, it's like, provably untrue. So. But energy, where does it go? Okay. I don't know.

I think it's just good. It just gets, it's, it either releases or it's gone forever. I will literally never know. This is one of my favorite analogies for this kind of discussion when I've gotten into it before. You know, when you would take a cell phone and put it by an amp or a speaker and it da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Okay. Yeah, it does a little number. That are two pieces of technology interacting.

Uh-huh. The analog speaker is like, I don't know what a cell signal is. Here's how I'm translating it. I don't really think that's, yeah, I don't think that's very different from what we're going on. What's happening when people see something. See, something is crossing your plane. Yeah, it's energy.

Yes, it's something else that we don't know how to perceive. But that doesn't mean it's fucking Casper. It was. I'll tell you. Let me tell you. So the year was 2010. This was my, yeah, scary year. Fucking, do I have the scary noise anymore? No. Nope, that was on the old one. Okay. So the year was 2010.

Oh, you didn't update to the beta so you can see. I couldn't connect to the Wi-Fi. Well, it was 2010. It was my first U.S. tour ever. I was playing drums for Alpha and Omega The tour was Bain, Trapped in Derice, Cruel Hand, Alpha and Omega. I remember that. Awesome.

Not a bad gig. Not a single one. I'm sure. I think this was in Nashville. And we were staying at a friend of Louises, the singer, Luis is the singer. A friend of his girl, Katie. It was this huge house that had clearly been there for like,

a thousand years rough estimate and there's like a party going on so I'm that's not my bag baby I'm want to go to sleep so I and Walter Delgado the singer of rotting out was the

was the bass player of Alpha Doming at the time and that was both of us we were like let's get in there and fall asleep which kind of in a situation like this he and I are competing for quietest, comfiest spot Right. So he's like, out of the van, beats me to the punch, goes up to, he discovers the attic before I do.

There's a, there's a, there's a long, what the hell on water? It's hot. An attic isn't hot? No, there's AC, brother. In an attic? That's impressive. In a thousand-year-old house. There was a fan.

But either way, attic with like an open staircase versus van. this we didn't this was a different era brother you didn't leave the van on you know no neither would i've i would have i would have melted in there i would rather slept outside dude the floor apartment here has a c and it's fucking a thousand degrees and i'm sorry i wasn't thinking this attic is haunted so i'm not going to sleep in there so but what i came to realize so walter got there first he was in the lone bed he was asleep within like a minute so i get up there about a minute after him and I'm like fucking Walter took the damn bed and

so the layout of the room is like staircase going up to the attic and then the banister from the staircase continues this way. Gotcha. Up top with like a bookshelf next to it and the bed is at the end of the room. So there's only one way

you can go right? You get up there you spin around and you can go one way towards the bed. As I'm walking towards the bed I say, oh, excuse me, because somebody is scooting past me to go down the stairs. But they're not to the stairs yet. I'm not to the stairs.

I'm like halfway to the bed. And let's just reiterate. What were you going up there to do? Fall asleep eventually. I wasn't sued. I'm just saying, man, there's always like this common denominator. There's no common. The common denominator here is that fuck you.

So I, and as soon as I passed by, this spectral ghoul, I realize like nothing, no, no physical thing was actually was actually in the room. And I turned around about a second after, like, your mind goes through this process so fast in this moment. We're like, excuse me, wait, there was no person there. And I

turned around and there was in fact no person there. But here's the kicker. I was able to see it was a woman with dark hair in a white dress. about an hour later, I go downstairs because I can't fit up there. And I'm talking to the person whose house it is. Her name is Katie again. And I say, Katie, is your house haunted?

And she stops her second and responds, did you see her? And it was like, and then I was like, can you please describe her? And she was like, it's a small girl. I was like dark hair. She was like, yes. And I was like white dress and she was like, oh my God. I guess she was a very sweet ghost who just walked around and stayed in various rooms. But that was enough for me, brother.

Ghosts are real. At least one is. I guess I'm kind of being semantical about what I think a ghost is. You know what I mean? I'm not into the idea of like Patrick Swayze, like doing stuff. Yeah, I don't. I agree with you there. And I get him into that movie.

Don't get me. Great movie. But that premise of what a ghost is, I just, I don't, it's not, that's not my bag, baby. I agree. And I think that I would agree with you if I had never had this experience. But even if I had the experience, I wouldn't think of it this, like, you know what I mean? Like, I really think that you'd be the guy in the horror movie that pisses people off. Or you just saw a ghost and you're like, that was weird.

No, I would just, I would just think of it as, as something that I can't. I know people can explain wind. I don't know what wind actually is. Oh my God. Tell me what wind is, Colin. Wind is your ass colliding with the fucking air. And your ass is so dumb. What it actually is is pressure moving past each other.

So you can't describe wind. No, no, no. My point being, do you think people 300 years ago knew that? No, they thought the wind was fucking, you know, gods and shit. Honestly, when I was a kid and I stuck my hand out the window and we were driving, I thought the wind was stay puff marshmallows. Because it feels like multiple big marshmallows in your hands when you're moving that fast. And I would always be so sad when I pulled my hand back in and there were no marshmallows.

Now aliens and cryptids, I'm on board. I'm just not on board. Do you think that fucking chupacobra is real? It's got to be. See, I've also seen a UFO. So, okay. Now that I'm done. Tell it.

Emma. Okay. UFO, and I guarantee you someone who was watching this, I'm sure, has seen something similar. It was far enough away that it definitely wasn't an airplane, but it wasn't close enough, or I'm sorry, it wasn't close enough to be an airplane, but it wasn't far enough to wait, away to be a satellite. It was, I could just tell by looking at it that it was in a part of the atmosphere that things do not normally stay in.

And it was a bright red light and it was so fast. But it was so far away, but it was so fast. And one went up and the other one went up at the same speed. And then a third one at the same equal distance from the first two followed the second one. And they were hovering up into the sky. And then they just stopped all at the same time with the equal distance away from each other and then just buzzed there for a minute. Could you know what buzzing?

And I'm just standing there. No, you couldn't hear anything. And I'm just standing there looking at it like, what the fuck? And then all of a sudden, the first one just shoots so fast. It just like shoots away and disappears. And then the second one and the third one. And it was just like very like perfect, like very methodical the way that everything happened.

Like it was wild. And I tried looking into it and I could find no explanation. Wow. I feel like at this point. point there the government has all but said like aliens are for sure real uh how long ago is that um two thousand 14 15 2015 20 15 drones were less common that long ago that's like because you know because you could you could you could certainly pro they can program drones to like do whole shows and shit now you know and like at that time a drone at night it moves it

It was fucking fast and weird, you know, so I could, but yeah, at that time, do you, do you, do you know, so Andrew Morrissey's fiancé, Andrew Morrissey, who we talk about on the show every single fucking week without fail. His fiance, Emily Chancellor. Do you know her, Bo? Of course. Okay. Have you ever, have you ever heard her mom's stories? Is it from where they, their family houses? She, no, she is like an abduct, like a UFO abductee.

Celebrity. Oh, I, I remember her mentioning this. I don't, we didn't like go into it. It's like a, it's a thing, man. She's like, like a multiple time abductee. We got to get her on the show. Yeah, let's get her on the show. It might be Elise Chancellor.

I don't know why I'm thinking the name Elise. Elise Chancellor. I wonder if we should be putting someone's name out like that. That's true. I don't think that that's her name. I made it up. Definitely not her name. But I feel like she would love to come on and talk about aliens with us.

I'd fucking do it. I'd do it. I'd do it no problem. Really? Let's go, dude. Do you ever play either of you ever play or been around in Reno and bring up skin walkers to the locals? No. The last time we were there, we were hanging out with a bunch of guys there eating tacos, having a great time.

Barrel a laughs, these guys. someone jokingly brought up skin and they all just like never like shut shut it down like you said large marge or something straight up wow and that my wife is from there I'll ask her about ask her about maybe she'll fucking shoot me in the head or something yeah I love

we're we're whining down here now we're at the we're at the 48 50 minute mark should we get into some some culinary are those all the the stock questions that you have? Yeah, I got best show, but like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to make sure...

Because I didn't read it very well. But every dying wish show is the best show, right, Emma? Uh-huh. I'm actually curious about that. Let's talk about this, because I haven't toured post-pandemic. So my perception is that, like, every show is sick now. Mm-hmm. Is every show sick?

Honestly, like, yeah, like, there's a couple duds. There's a couple cities that have been duds for us. Like, for some reason, Bo, I don't know. Every time we play Chicago, they just, I don't think they care. But maybe we'll grow on them out there. Chicago took us. Chicago took us 10 years to be able to sell out of 400 cap room. Wow.

And that's a no, I'm not exaggerating. Chicago's tough. Chicago is similar to L.A. and New York only in the sense that there's schools have a harder time. Well, yeah, but also, also that there's so much that comes through. Every tour is going to go to L.A. If it's an A market tour, it's going to go to L.A. It's going to go to New York and it's going to go to Chicago.

So saturated. Not Juliet, you know what I mean? Like, not Peoria. Like, it's going to go to Chicago. Even Milwaukee is kind of B market. So it's like there's, yeah, there's oversaturation is a good way to put it. It's the same for L.A. in terms of, well, there's, it's really, You can't fucking predict it.

But like, Torching Tongues at home took like four full years until we had like a good show. And we were doing, we were killing it in fucking Jacksonville. Dude, yeah, exactly, exactly. Harmsway play L.A. or Boston or something? Oh. No, it was fantastic. Boston's the goat. Fantastic.

Yeah. Yeah. Something about Chicago. So, yeah, our show's good. Emma? Yeah. You know, I think we have a different experience here in Portland. with our hometown shows because there isn't really like a ton going on in the scene here.

And it's not a saturated market, you know? It's far. It's far. I love the Northwest and I think everyone should tour through here because it's beautiful and the shows are good. But I understand. And honestly, like this last show that we played, we played with Code Orange at the Wonderball Room, which is a venue I've always wanted to play. It's gorgeous, big. And that was unreal, just like playing to our hometown and the reaction that we got.

But shows are good. I think that our gauge for them, or at least mine, is like, if there is at least one circle pit. That's how you know people are feeling it. Like, people love to circle pit now, like, especially when we toured with like limp biscuit and like the motionless and white crew, like people, those fans don't really know what to do to our music. But if they're feeling it and we're like, all right, give me a circle pit, then they do that.

And we actually started the last leg of the Limp Biscuit Tour. We started to do a wall of death at the beginning of enemies in red. And people were catching on to that. So like that's kind of my gauge, like that crowd interaction. If the wall of death works, the show is good. Exactly. Yeah. That's a good gauge.

I mean, Twitching Tongues is so different because like every city is different every time we play there. So I don't know how it's going to be until the third song. Outside of California, what would be your, like, Twitching Tongs best city?

Outside of California, probably New England? That's a big city. Like Boston. Oh, like a small city? No, no, no.

New England is not a city. I mean, but anywhere there is like, it feels anywhere we play in New England is like, it feels like a hometown show. I remember that Boston show. Where was it the Middle East? Is that what that place is called? Yeah, and that one wasn't super crazy, but I feel like we were kind of just like our steam had had been deflated by then. But other than that one, I swear to God, they were all good. You guys have a good experience in San Antonio, Texas.

Fuck yeah. I told you, Bo. Yeah, you did. I was the one who said San Antonio goes the fucking hardest, man. They got something to prove there. Shout out San Antonio. I love it. Probably my favorite, if you want to call it Southern.

I don't know how Texans feel about the term Southern. But if you want to call it that easily my favorite place to play. San Antonio is fucking incredible. Never had a bad show there. Is San Antonio where vibes is? Vives. Vives. Vives.

Vives. Oh, yeah. Vives. You know? There's a mall there. There's a big, nice mall there. Love that mall. It's the Alamo.

Love that. Oh, right. You remember? I've never been to the Alamo. Actually, I've never been, but okay, I see this is a bit now. I got you. I got you with that one. All right. Let's talk food, Emma. Yeah, let's talk food.

Let's do it. I'm sweating. Yeah, tell me about it. I mean, yeah, me too. I'm starving. When you're, let's say, let's say your sprinter van is driving flying down the highway, right? You see one of them signs that's like, food, quarter mile. What's on there that makes you go pull the fucking van off the highway right now? Right now.

Two things. Del Taco. Wow. Or Carl's Jr. Really? Really? The Carl Beyond? I love Carl.

Yeah. The Carl Beyond Burger just changed the whole game for you guys, huh? It's great. Yeah, it's better than the impossible at Burger King, but I'll eat that too if I have to. Yeah. Is that everywhere? Yes. Not McDonald's, right?

It's got to be the whole time. No. No. I can't wait to go to Europe. McDonald's, honestly. I haven't had McDonald's in a long time. The fries, you're going to taste them for the first time. It's going to hit different. The McVegan is outstanding. The McPlante?

Yeah. Whatever it is. Yeah. We had it in Finland and it was actually very good. Did they not have it here? No. No. I thought that was the whole idea is that we were going to get it here. It's like the test market was Helsinki. Oh, sick. So, Carl, okay, so what?

Oh, I love Del Taco. That's a good answer. They have a ton of beyond shit there, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But they have, like, ground beef, like beyond ground beef. Mm-hmm. I think that's what Nick loves that, too.

Nick is our vegan. I get the, yeah, I get the five-layer burrito. I'm also the only vegan, but everyone else loves del tacos. Mm-hmm. That's what rocks about del taco. Everyone can eat. They have a very expansive menu, too. Fries.

Fries are great. It's very expansive. The fries are great. The guac is great. The bird. Burgers are great. Don't forget Del Scorcho. Love Del Scorcho.

Their fucking their fountain, Mr. Pibb, is out of this world. Better than Dr. Pepper. Better than Dr. Burr. Can't call. Interesting. Okay, now what do you see on the sign that makes you go keep fucking driving and if you stop here, Emma angry? And me, angry.

This is kind of a new development for me. I am currently on month seven of no Taco Bell. I had Taco Bell on New Year's Eve, and I was like, I'm not doing this again for a full year. I don't like it. They crossed you? I don't like it. But you know that varies by location. You know that the Taco Bell Easter, who prepares your food.

It depends on their move. And that's why I don't, I don't fuck with that. And there's just too many times. And I just, there's so many red flags and I just keep turning my eyes to the red flags of Taco Bell. Seven months. Yeah. So are you, are you a sody, girly? Not really.

I'll drink like Coke zero or even like when we were in Vegas, we were going to go to the Taco Bell can'tina. And I was like, well, maybe I just get. Oh, yeah, booze it up. Yeah, yeah, maybe I just get one of those, but then I felt like it was breaking the rules. So we went somewhere else. It is. Oh my God. It would be breaking the rule.

You wouldn't have a little mommy water. Brother, she's seven layers worth of months into this thing. She's not going to do it. Could not be me. Could not be me. The only talk about near my apartment is the canteen in Wicker Park. And I go there. Yeah, you take the fucking bus there.

We've talked about it before. Yeah. I have taken the bus back from getting to. Taco Bell on the bus. You couldn't, there's no establishment. You couldn't pay me to fucking take the bus to eat. You walked eight miles

for something you won't go back to. That was recreational. And guess what? I live, like literally outside of my front door is a bus stop. So I can track when it's coming, hop on, scan with my phone, and then I just stand for like four blocks and hop off. I don't believe you.

I literally take the bus every day. day. I don't believe. You take the bus every day? Yeah. Every day. Well, I feel like you guys live in cities where you get on a bus and there's fucking flowers and harps playing.

Yeah, that's Chicago. For sure, dude. That's how everyone would describe Chicago. Yeah. Portland transportation is, there's no harps? No harps. It's really easy to ride. And, you know, for the most part, like, it's pretty chill.

but I've definitely had some experiences, especially as like a young person. For sure. By myself. But yeah, I love the bus personally. It's easy. Here's a bus story that relates to you, Emma. The last time I saw, no, not the last time I saw you, but on the Acacia Strain tour, I took a bus up Damon to the Bee Kitchen, got off at Belmont.

got actually I got off it early because I got super fucking nauseous the bus like moved I was looking at my phone and I just like I get cars sick really easily so I was just like like got off the bus walked it was very cold out walk to the venue was nauseous the whole night saw you saw you saw everybody took an Uber home sick the whole way I remained nauseous for the next six weeks. Wow. In bed waking. Six weeks, nauseous?

I swear to God. Good God. I ended up having to take antibiotics. I had an inner ear infection from a sinus infection that I had that I was well over. Oh my God. And it made me sick. I was nauseous for six weeks. Lowest point of reason.

You're telling me week two, you weren't like something's wrong. I went to urgent care three times. and they kept prescribing me like, oh, it'll pass. It's probably like inert vertigo. Here's anti-naugia pills, which make you sleepy. Right.

Dramamine is no good. No boy, no. You're sleeping good, but then you'd waken up. Dude, have you ever taken drama? It's actually the worst sleep you've ever had. I have taken care of. You get like the jimmy legs.

Yeah, on flights. Oh, definitely. And I can't sleep on a plane. Sorry, sorry, interrupt. No. I can't sleep on a plane medication aside. So I just get really tired and I'm awake. Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly. I can fall asleep anywhere. You're one of those? Plain including one of those. You fucking X-Man. You're a superhero. What I was going to say, Bo, is I also had a stomach ache that night, but for a completely different reason, do you remember what we were doing that night?

Four loco. Five loco. There's a fifth loco? Sinkledo de loco. I don't remember whose idea this was. It was either Ollie's idea or probably Tom, actually, and from the acacia strain. And the idea was to get a four loco and they don't have caffeine in them anymore. So they don't mess you up like they used to.

So you take a sip and then you put a five-hour energy drink in it and then you drink the whole thing. I do remember that. And I made it probably about this far before I was like, I physically can't move. and the Acacia Strain was playing and I felt so bad because afterwards they had just like chugged it and they were like having a great time and I'm just like I want to die.

Your tummy hurt so so bad. Yeah, I'm apparently I'm too old for that I guess. I don't know. Yeah, the Acetia Strain are a bunch of young bucks for sure. Exactly. Does you ever have

original recipe for a loco? Oh yeah. What did it do? Because I saw a grown man like fucking taken to his knees by original recipe for a loco yeah um i definitely used to drink them in high school um but it would take me such a long time to drink them and i feel like when i was younger i was so disconnected from like my brain and my body whenever i would like drink or like smoke weed so i just like don't even really remember like i probably like browned out or just you know

we stayed home like you know we weren't about to get drunk as team teenagers and then go like walk around and be stupid. Right. Yeah. Colin, you ever been drunk or high? I've never been drunk or high. You know what? That's not true because I've had surgery.

Aside from that, of course. And let me tell you, I know I've talked about it before. Huge fan. I love an opioid. And that's my fear. I think that's my, that's why straight-edge is so important for me because now that I've tasted the good stuff, I think I would. just be a wreck.

If I ever break, I'm breaking like two. On pills? Oh my God. No, I'm going straight. I'm hardlining stuff straight. Straight as heroin. Oh, yeah. That's the plan.

Emma, do you have a favorite? Hard drug? Do you have a favorite restaurant that isn't like a chain, like a place where if you're in the city that it's in, you got to go. Oh, yeah. There's a place in Nashville called grays that I really like. Gray? Like the color?

Graze. Oh, great. Oh, like to. Hmm. Oh, uh, Seattle, there's a place called Chuman Tofu Deli. That's probably my favorite. Um, yeah, I used to be a really big Chicago Diner fan. And then the last time I had it, I was really disappointed.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, the Chicago Diner experience, it varies. but the fucking, and I've said this to James, and we haven't done it yet, but he refuses to accept. And he's lactose intolerance, so like, really, he should be all over this. The peanut butter cookie dough milkshake from the Chicago Diner is the single, and Colin, you and I are on the same page. I'm a vanilla guy.

I'm not a peanut butter guy by any means. They have it without. I would, borderline say I'm anti- peanut butter. They have it without, where you could just get the cookie dough and like chocolate. Oh, it's cookie dough is I'm back in. Yeah, cookie dough is. In any scenario. But you know me, you can't beat a classic vanilla milkshake.

That's my jam. This thing is the single greatest, like cold dessert I've ever had. Yeah, I screwed up not getting a milkshake. I just got a sandwich. Yeah, would you get the Rubin or something? No, I got a Cubano. Oh, fucking love. You know, all this talk about just getting into sandwiches.

That's my favorite sandwich. Really? A Kuban? The Cuban is my favorite sandwich. Some ham, a little mustard, some cheese. So good. A little cheese on there. I work at a restaurant here that does an amazing Cubano. So when I ordered that at Chicago Diner, I was expecting something as good and it wasn't.

Wow. So, yeah. Chicago Diner is not the best vegan spot here, I think. Handelbar is my favorite, but I'm not a vegan. But Handelbar rocks. if you guys come back Yeah if you play in Wicker Park next time It's right there

Is it Like I've toured with vegetarians and vegans before And they had a pretty terrible time Most of the time I feel like it's the world has changed It's cheat Y'all are cheating now There's some substitute for everything

I think about Earth crisis Oh dude Do you ever watch the DVD of them in Japan? Yes They can't eat anything Nothing. Everything is rice, even, or everything is fish, even rice sometimes. But look at you, Emma. I know, we're spoiled.

You got Nuggies, dogs, hogs. Portillo says a vegan dog now. You told me that. Yeah. And James just had it, so it's great. Awesome. Through it through the garden, as they say. My favorite tour meal actually is California and it's Ikes.

Oh, Ikes is gray. I like I. Ix has expanded though. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're in Vegas. They even have them in Texas now. Arizona, Texas, probably New Mexico. You ever met?

The more the merrier. No. He's around? He's around. He's at the Burbank one all the time. Is he small? He looks like a small man. Emma, I can't believe that you just said that.

He's legit like he's, no, no. I mean, like how did you know? I would have never known that. He's straight up like. Because I saw a. a cut out of him and I took a picture with it. That's exact size.

Oh, wow. He's like five, five foot, I think, maybe four, 11. He's very small guy. Well, that's a small man. And he,

because he's, whenever he's there, you get 10% off. What a guy. He's insane, dude. I like Ike. Amazing.

I want to meet him. Yeah. Shout out. Hey, Ike, we want you on this show, brother. I've had the honor twice now.

I'm sure it'll never happen again. but yeah i think he's got to live close to burbank because he's at that one all the time and the soda fountain's always the they fill them syrups there i'll tell you what they don't they have cheer wine they do have cheer wine i do like sure one i do that's where i discovered voodoo chips too and those are my favorite love a voodoo chip the the spicy one the spicy one dude just had it uh and a couple weeks ago they sell them at the dollar tree really Yes. This is breaking news, folks.

It's awesome. All right. Well, we're at an hour eight. So this is a good time to wind things down. Yep. Emma, it has been such a pleasure having you on the show. Is there anything you want to leave the people with as a person who people want to hear from and care about? Fuck, we didn't.

We didn't talk about Limbiscuit. I guess let's talk about Limpisket. What was that like? Yeah. We got it. It was wild. Um, yeah. I feel like everyone, everyone asked this because it's just so insane that that was even a thing in the first place.

I did not know. I didn't believe it was real until we like, you know, loaded in and we were like, all right, this is a sound check. But yeah, they took such good care of us, like literally free catering all day. So we had like free food whenever. Their crew was amazing. Fred was super nice. We hung out and it was just like an incredible experience. And their fans are wild.

But I feel like they got it. So, you know. It's really interesting that they kind of had like no involvement with hardcore at all. At all. Forever. And then brought like eight hardcore bands on tour at the same time. That's the nice thing to do. It sure is.

Yeah. And it seems like you guys all rose to the occasion and won the people over. Yeah, all the videos I saw looked really good. Yeah, it was awesome. I mean, they were just stoked to be there. And a lot of the markets that we played were like, you know, sea markets like Ontario, California, Gary, Indiana. Yeah.

Yeah, like people that don't experience live music. And so it was like, it was an event for them. So it was cool. It was cool to be a part of it. So cool. So proud of you. Oh, thank you. I know a tour you have coming up.

Can you talk about that? Yeah, we're going on tour with the Devil Wars Prada and straight from the path. And that's like six weeks, I think, five or six. And then we're playing Blue Ridge. We're going to go back to Furnace Fest this year, which I'm really excited for. And then we go back, or actually, first time in Europe with Lionheart and Terror in October. Oh, that's going to be great. Lionheart is like the fucking the Beatles there.

It's crazy. Are you a sprinter or are you in a bust? Sprinter. Mm-hmm. Yeah, good. Good luck. Godspeed. God speed, brother.

I know. There'll be a time. The first time is like, rose colored, rose-tip glasses. It's so magical that you're not even, you're not even suffering. So don't worry about it. Yeah. Okay. Awesome.

Yeah. That's awesome. We got to have you back after you've, after you've been here. A follow-up after Europe. That's a great idea. A modern Euro tour review from Emma. You'll be our correspondent. I mean, we might be a little busy after,

but maybe we'll want to talk about that stuff too. So I'll definitely come back for sure. The wishers are just going. I see. Is there other stuff that's yet to be announced? Yeah, we're working on some things. Oh. Crazy. Good for you.

Thank you so much. everybody for watching. Thank you, Emma, for being with us. We'll be back next Wednesday with insert guest. We can't wait to see you. Thank you so much. Good night, everybody. Good night.