HardLore - End of 2025 Q&A: Chain Reaction Closing, Blood For Blood Reunion, Dream Guests for 2026

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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Take us through your Spotify rap this year. Oh, that's fun. What's your listening age? What's yours, Colin? 52. 83. 83? It was 83, man.

You decrepit old bastard. 83 is crazy. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord's time. How you doing, Bo? I'm good. I'm good. It's Christmas time, you know?

It's happening. Let me ask you this. Let me. Let's start this off with the. the bang. Has it ever felt less like Christmas to you? Yeah. Or am I just in my mid-30s? I think you are in your mid-30s in a place.

What's the cold? What's the coldest it's been? Here? Yeah. 60? Yeah, we were in single digits recently. So that's Christmas stuff. Got half a foot of snow. So it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

You know the song and the Grinch that we're... Yes, of course. That's how I feel. I really don't. How can I find Christmas this year? Maybe I'll find it in this episode. Maybe. I remember watching Edward Cisorhands as a kid and being like, wait, they don't have snow in California.

Like being like, how do they even celebrate Christmas? And then realizing that in Australia, it's just summer. It's brutal, man. And I was thinking back recently, this is, we're jumping right into everything here because this is the end of the year Q&A where we're just fucking around. Most of my memories of living in Connecticut, which was my entire childhood, are snow. Yeah. You know? And when, you know, I don't know, I'm not trying to sound boomerish or anything, but I remember trick-or-treating in snow.

Like, I remember it starting early. Historic blizzards in October. Like every year. And so for this year, we got a hefty amount of snow. It feels very Christmassy. You got my tree up. Neighborhood's festive. It's great.

I've been so busy learning Donnybrook songs that maybe that's why it doesn't feel like Christmas because my hands are bleeding from Donnybrook songs. It's not very festive of you. You know, but it's for a Christmas show. So maybe at the show while I'm playing, I'll feel the magic of Christmas entering me. Speaking of the magic of Christmas entering you, how was Boston? It was great. Boston for the children, truly a feat.

I think that this, we've deduced that this was the second. for the children in Boston, but it's like a crazy level up. Two nights, 1,500 cap. Wow. Sold out both nights. Unbelievable sets all around. Day one was fiddlehead. Bane.

Day two was Haywire, twitching tongues, skin head. Fucking yellow stitches had a crazy set. Very cool. Beautiful thing to see happen. Don't think it could have gone much better. Great.

Yeah, it was awesome. That venue is crazy. It's next to TD Garden in Boston. Oh. Like where the Celtics and the Bruins play. Yeah. So night one, there's a Bruins game. Night two, there's a Bruins ceremony.

So it's just like. God. Chaos. But it was very cool. Who else? Unbroken Wings played. That was nuts. I'll have to look at the schedule.

Root Awakening. Oh, yeah. Did Hammer Bros. Yeah. To close the set. So I was on cloud nine. Yeah, it looked awesome. A little bit of fomo.

You know, like that's one of those. Sometimes you'll see a thing and you'll be like, glad I stayed home. You know, for whatever reason, nothing to do with the fest. This was one where I was like, fuck. It was really good. I remember there was a night one. I think there was a mental cover before noon. Incredible.

And that is, that's what's all about. It's got to be a first. And then there was a righteous dam's cover before one. Oh, it was great. It's awesome. Yeah, bad beat played night one. The big event was obviously the Haywire set. It was like, this felt like a Haywire show the whole time.

It was like, all right, let's get the Haywire guys. They opened with impression that I get with Dickie. They opened with it. Opened with it. Wow. I mean, they got to get him out of there. Yeah. He's Boston.

Yeah. It's mass hysteria when this man shows up. But it was very cool. I talked to him very briefly backstage. because my dad was one of the tech managers briefly for Jimmy Kim alive. Yep.

Which is just like the guy who sets up the technical gear in the back while Dickie was the band leader. Right. And I guess several times our dad would punish him about twitching tongues being like you know my sons are in a band.

No shit. And Dickie had absolutely no memory of it. He was like, who's your dad? I was like, his name's Dan. He's high as hell all the time. And he was like,

I don't know. So that was cool. But it was really cool. Yeah. Had to, had to dive, participate. Saw that. It was funny.

It was funny seeing short hair Colin in whatever you were wearing like track pant kind of thing. Hard. I like didn't recognize you. And until I realized, I was like, oh, that's. Oh. I would say even me seeing a video of it was like, that's 19 year old Colin. Yeah. Yeah.

I like that. I don't know his name. I've certainly met him, but I like that stage right. Hey, Wire. picked up the sacks. Oh, dude, it was perfect. That's crazy. It was truly remarkable.

And then they played an hour-long set. Holy shit. Where they're just so dialed in. They're just the pro-pro band at this point. They're ready. Next level. But yeah, it was beautiful. And it's all, like, my favorite thing about these events is, dude, blood for blood.

What? It was crazy. How to go. Dude, it was unreal. Playing after them was the worst shit ever because it was so good. Yeah. And it's like I've known about it for forever now because Taylor, my brother Taylor and our friend Jimmy, good friend Jimmy, are co-managing this new era of Blood for Blood and helped put it together. Got the members together.

The new Blood for Blood is Rob, Pete Morsey on CenterVox, Jamie Push Button on Drum. Jamie Push Button on drums So cool OG bass player Ian McFarland on bass And Big Justin The fourth strongest man in America On guitar It's ridiculous

It's perfect dude And two of them are from Connecticut So they're a Connecticut hardcore man now Which is amazing It was it was dude it was unreal Did you Were you not able to participate Because you had to sing?

I was right out I was warming up on stage While watching them Just going like like humming their songs instead of warming up backstage. Dude, it was unbelievable. And then, of course, I had to play after them and before Haywire's, after the Beatles before Oasis.

Yeah, pretty rough. Rough spot. They fucked me. But nevertheless, we persist. And it was fine. Yeah, that was incredible. But my favorite thing about these events is it's the society's outcasts are doing this amazing thing for kids, you know?

Every year, whether it's the LA one or now the Boston one, when I see the picture of the truck full of toys or the room or whatever, it's like, the toys suddenly, they're no longer units or like faceless, like each one of those is going to a kid, one or more, you know? It's amazing.

And that's like, that's beautiful. That is a beautiful thing. And you don't see, that's hardcore. That's hardcore, exactly. I don't, you don't really see other stuff doing that. I don't even see like my neighborhood. does like a coat drive. There's like three in there, you know? Yeah. I don't know. It's just, it's a, it's a really cool thing. I think it's really special. Keep it gone. Every, every region,

every state, every city should have a big Christmas show. Make it happen. Speaking of Haywire, we're playing with them at the time of that this comes out. It'll be in two days. It's Gucci Main, ICP, Harmsway, Trash Talk, Haywire, and another hip-hop guy opening who I forget. at the Aragon ballroom, which is crazy. Never been there. I have no idea what to expect. I have no concept of, I don't even know if the people who are going to be there to see Gucci Main,

who goes on it like 1 a.m. by the way, if they're going to be aware of what's going to happen to their clothes before Gucci Main. Like, oh, I want to get a good spot. I want to get on the barricade so I can see Gucci Main. Do they know about ICP? and, you know, like, in all the Faygo, like I have no... The gimmick?

No idea what to expect. Yeah. But I'm pumped. Should be fun. Lord. I'll need a report back on that. Yeah. I'm going to report back on that one.

But you know what it's funny is, I'm looking forward to seeing Haywire at a huge venue like that because they just got off the road in Europe. Dude. They're so pros. Big ass rooms like that. Yeah.

So I'm excited to see how that all pans out. Let me, I'm looking at the full. lineup here. Night one. Oh yeah, Downpresser played. I'm in Downpresser, which is always fun.

Risk and revenge to great Boston bands played right before us. That was fantastic. Inclination was there. Chris Mills from Arms Way, plays drums for them. How do you do?

He did great. He thought he did shitty. He did great. He's the most. Before he said hello to me, he hit me with the, did you bring your drum stuff? Scum man.

Love him. Word for Word played Boston. O.G. Boston. Bad beat played incredible. Never Back Down, which is members of Fleshwater. Haywire, etc. John and his brother, right? How many bands did Austin play in?

I think four? Never Back Down. Recollection. Root Awakening. Skinhead. Haywire. Oh, Skinhead, five. Sick, bad.

Yeah. Crazy. Balmora played fantastic. Okay. Matt Kurekis played. Fantastic. What a guy. Night 2.

Sewing opened. Solis was next. They had a bunch of songs about Connecticut, which I love. Sin Against Sin was absolutely insane. Legit insane. And they played at like noon. Whoa. Okay.

Band fucking rips. Fatal Realm. Fantastic. Yeah. One of the best bands today. Recollections first show. members of skinhead Haywire Root Awakening, etc., fantastic.

No Guard who did the split with Haywire they played. That was crazy. CMI played, that was crazy. Oh, yeah. Root Awakening, fantastic. Love them. I haven't seen them in forever.

Close with the Hammer Bros. on. Come on. C.O.A. The mayor. Dude. All the pictures of him in the Santa outfit, like, destroy me. The picture that Mike took in the green room from below is so good.

It's so good. He really is Santa. Fuming mouth, unbelievable. Mark, the best. Skin headset was top three. It looks awesome. Yeah, it looks fantastic. It was insane.

They opened with surrender by Cheap Trick. I saw that. The whole thing. I was like, surely they're not doing the third verse. And they did the third verse. Yeah. Wow. It was incredible.

Yellow Stichers was insane. Really? Insane. So cool. Certified lit as Hill. On Broken Wings. Scurry. Boston Royalty.

Yeah. The claps, you would not believe. The DB of these claps, dude. It was insane. Fantastic. Blood for Blood played. Then we had to play after them once again. And you did the only Living Witness cover,

which I've never seen you do. brought it back for the homie heavy riffage fiend. No shit. I saw him post a video of us doing it and I was like, damn, I totally forgot that we ever did that. Got to give it back for my boy heavy riffage fiend, dude. One of the most supportive online guys in history. It's, it's, yeah, it's David from San Diego. David, yeah, dude.

And heavy rippage fiend. Oh, my God. You guys sounded great. Thanks, man. I'm not even, like, I'm not blowing smoke. That is not, Jonah has a crazy voice. That's not an easy song to sing. And you sounded great.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I worked really hard on it, and that was one of the fun things about it, was after seeing that clip was from, like, 2011. Yeah. My first thought was like, I bet I can do that better now. Nice. Never practiced it with Sean.

Really? Wow. So he just showed up, Locked it. Unbelievable. Fantastic. All right. You want to get to this Q&A? Let's get to this Q&A.

Let's do it. First question. Ask a lot. How was for the children? That is definitely in there. First question. Yeah. Are you in Boe floor punch straight edge or Earth Crisis Straight Edge?

No offense meant to Earth Crisis Straight Edge or anything. But I'm shocked that anyone would even have to ask that about me. Well. I am such. I think the music you play alters the answer. Yeah, but the music. You played youth crew. Yeah, but the guy who sings in the band,

we have two matching youth today tattoos. Yeah, I understand. You know what I mean? I understand. I'm definitely floor punch straight edge. I think you are. I think I agree. 1,000%.

I'm much more, much more interested in floor punching and stage diving sing along than I'm spin kicking. And I do think that that's a difference. It is, big time. I am scientifically Earth Crisis Straight Edge, mainly because Earth Crisis is the reason I am Stradage. Yeah, there you go. I think that's, you know, yin and yang.

The black and white cookie. Neither of them would be as good with just one half. Look to the cookie. Look to the cookie. I wonder if there is a modern equivalent of that. Like, I think it's perfect. It doesn't, no, of Earth Crisis First Floor Punch Trade Edge. Like, we don't need to replace it.

I'm just curious what the, A modern equivalent would be. It would be like have heart and I don't know. I don't know. There's nobody's fucking straight edge anymore. Yeah, who's the heaviest straight edge band right now? I don't know. I couldn't.

God's hate. I have the gods hate straight ed shirt. See? You better believe I got it. There you go. With the non-straight-edge guy on. That's right. But honorary, dubbed honorary.

Dubbed honorary by the... What do you do? Yeah. Number one guest you want for 20. 26. Realistically, realistically, I think it's possible. Jerry Cantrell.

Oh, yeah, that's definitely possible. I think it's possible. I think it's he, and no, obviously, meaning no offense, I don't think he would be as hard to reach as Glenn or someone from Metallica or something. I think it's possible. And I've wanted to talk to him forever. So he's a merch collective guy.

So he's a merch collective guy. So he's one degree away. There we go. We got guys that know him. There we go. How about you? There's one that I've been blowing you up about, that I'm obsessed about, that I don't want to say because I think it is happening. Okay.

And it's one, it's nobody would expect it. No one would guess this ever. And it would be crazy. It will be crazy. It will be crazy. It's very Kanye of you. It will. Yeah.

It will be crazy. And that makes perfect sense as your answer. I agree. You guys will see it. What I will say about him is he's a director-composer. And there you go. And it's in the works. It's crazy.

It's crazy. Christopher Vega asked, most chuffed you've been all year. Oh, man. Isn't that a great question? Chuffed up. I'd say I was very chuffed in my week in England before Outbreak Fest. Chuffed.

Oh. What's more, you got to be proper chuffed. Yeah, that's when you're having a chippy you know that was beautiful oasis i was very chuffed wow davy davy day was we were very chuffed the the the hour after davy was the most chuffed i probably was the whole we were euphoric it it was really crazy i went out uh to eat with a friend of mine the other night and the first one of the first things he said to me when he sat down was like

was davy nice to you he really was yeah he really was yeah Absolutely. Dude, that's why the comments, there's like, so those reels are still like, if they're popping. Exploding. Yeah. All day it's going off. And people are like, this guy's so arrogant.

And like, they think he's like being mean to us in parts. And it's like, bro, we made these clips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sitting. We're sitting there. This isn't Davey Havoc's YouTube channel. No, we didn't feel that way ever. Even when he's like doing the bid of like, did you listen to the rest of the song?

We're having fun. Yeah. You know? I never at one. Harmless rib. Harmless rib. Harmless rib. That was the most chuffed for sure.

Definitely. Ooh, here we go. Best meal you each had in 2025. Wow. God. I have to look at my belly. Taylor took me to two bevettes. Yeah, yeah.

For my birthday. That was really, really great. I had a meal of beef tongue and wagyu that I happened upon in Tokyo. Keo. I was like, I'll try that. And it was fucking phenomenal. The weird thing about eating tongue, because it was served like steak. It's like slices of tongue.

It feels like when you bite your own tongue. It's that texture. So it's a little bizarre, but it was delicious. I'm trying to think of another one. What do you got? I think mine might have been, mine was either the crackling pork sandwich

in London. You know what I'm talking about? Didn't you have it? Oh yeah, yeah, the viral. Yeah, that thing was insane. That thing was awesome. Little Fish, Melrose Hill, soft opening was unbelievable. And then the meal I had the other night at moo in Boston.

It looked good. Dude. It looked awesome. The bisque came baked with a like souffle crust. Yeah, yeah. So when you put a fork through it goes, with Philo, yeah. And it all just falls straight in there.

It was unbelievable. The beef tartar was smoked. So it was raw but smoked. So you pull up, they pull off this thing and smoke fills the restaurant. And everybody around me was like, that smells so good. It's the Chili's equivalent. Yeah. Don't look at my food.

And then I had the beef Wellington, which was one of my favorite things. Yeah, that's, man. Remember when we got the Beef Wellington in Michigan for that haul? For free? Unbelievable. That was so good. I've been getting a ton of the bear clips in my algorithm lately. So I'm like kind of foodied right now and I want to watch it again, you know?

And yeah, that sounds great. That sounds great. Mm-hmm. All right. Here we go. Moving on. Oh, DeSium also. Oh.

DeSum in like the beginning of the year. And that was a highlight. I almost forgot. It is great. It is great. I went three times when I was there. Did you really? Three times.

Three times. Twice to the shortage, once to the Manchester one. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's not well merch. I got you.

It's not long merch. And like you agree, right? Wholeheartedly agree. Okay. But it felt good to go to the thing. Yeah, I totally agree. And to be able to have that opinion. Have the thing in the place where it was born.

Dude, Because the thing is, La Merch has that deep-fried panier, and that doesn't exist. I've tried. I can't find it here. It's not in Chicago. You know what I mean? It's a very, I think it's a unique thing. It's unbelievable.

That is foiego. What are your guys' opinions on American Nightmare suing Cody Rhodes and the WWE for the use of the name? I am, Wes. Get that money. Get that bag, dude. You fucking kidding me? They own the name.

You think WWE wouldn't do the opposite thing? They 100% would, dude. If you, if you named a band Stone Cold Steve Austin, they'd come right the fuck for you. 100% dude. They did it to fucking Westside gun a week ago, you know? Not only does Wes and Ann have the precedent. They own the name. And they went through hell to get that name.

They lost it. They lost it. So they're gonna, they're gonna defend it. They were American nightmare. Then they were American nothing briefly. I used to have a shirt. I sold it for a lot of money when shirts. weren't going for a lot.

Then they were giving up the ghost. Then they went back. So they went through hell for that. Get the bag, Wes. Fuck the Fed. Dude, do what you got to do, straight up.

And it's like, they knew what they knew they fucked up, you know? Of course. They were told specifically what they could and could not do and then broke that rule. And everybody online,

including Dustin Rhodes, being like, nobody knows who you are, Wesley. It's just like, you're a loser. Dude, You're not part of this.

You have nothing to do with this. Many people, everybody in this subculture knows who Wes is. And that even, it doesn't even matter. Doesn't matter. He owns it. It's done. Or they own it. I don't know who owns it, but it's owned.

It's not for use. It is. And what's funny is it's a, it's a misfit song. It's a misfit song. Yeah, I agree. Okay. If you could sign one now defunct or on hiatus ban, to hard lore records to put out one final project,

what group would it be? Floor punch. Wow, great answer. You know? That was so fast. Wow. Give me one more, guys. I know you got it and you kinkshot.

I know you can play. I know you're still jamming. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. What if? Also, doesn't minor threat practice like every week? Really?

That's what I'm told is that they get together and play like all the time. Wow. I would love to get to the bottom of that someday. Let's do a minor threat record. How about that? Or do, what about like an underdog record? Oh. Like just put out a little EP.

That would feel good. Even if it's just reggae, whatever you guys are feeling. Literally, literally, whatever it is. All right, here we go. Any plans or aspirations to get over to Ireland in 2026? Sure. Bring us, dude. Aspirations?

Yes. Plans? Not always. Plans, I don't know. Not just yet. But that sounds awesome. I would like to go everywhere. Are you orish?

It's your family orish? Yeah, absolutely. So we both, you know, we'd love to go. Yeah. I've never been. We've got rocks on the, on the Blarney, you know? Yeah, yeah. We've got some chisels on there.

Okay. Question for Beau. This is a great question. Okay. Because you're very, I know how dedicated you are. Question for Bo, how have you managed to keep up your health and fitness whilst being so busy on tour? Your hard work is visible and very commendable. Thank you.

I appreciate that. On tour, five out of five of us go to the gym. So it's actually really easy. The entire band will either go to Hawaii MCA if we can find one or we go to an anytime because a few of us have any time memberships and that's my home gym. And we just go. And we only go like three times a week. But also, you know, on tour, especially if you're playing like 40 minutes a night, like you're doing cardio.

That's crazy cardio, yeah. You can kind of eat like a shithead. And I, you know, as I'm. getting older, my sweet tooth is weaning. And I'm more concerned with, like, the proteins in my meal and, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then at home, I just stay on top of it. As soon as we're done with this, I'm going to walking my little ass right across the street and going to the gym. That's right.

But thank you. And once you're in maintenance mode, which you are. Yeah. Three days a week is fine. It truly is. And it's nice to kind of, honestly, it's kind of a cut. weirdly because you're doing more cardio on tour yeah that's the ultimate cut you're doing that is where i initially lost weight and kept it off yeah you're doing more cardio you're not eating as much

as you would like probably and if you are like now if i go to a gas station i don't grab chips i grab a a diet whatever and hard boiled eggs or something you know what i mean like it's like i'm eating pretty pretty good so thank you for saying that i really appreciate that. It's true. Very good. Thank you. Number one band you fuck with that almost everyone else unanimously does not fuck with.

Cohed in Kambria. Like in hardcore world, you know? Yeah. It's a tough sell to a lot of people, but I love them. I always have. That's a good question. I know it's funny to say that like a classic rock band is not fucked with when it's like they're probably the most fucked with.

Yeah. Worldwide. But like, I. recreationally often listen to the who. I feel you. You know what I'm saying? I would say in your subculture and genre maybe, but yeah.

Outside of hardcore? Oh, yeah. Outside of hardcore. They're like a top 10 rock band. For sure. I'm not saying them. I'm just saying that. I think that's a good call.

Joseph Grignoli asked, was chain of strength ever edge or was it all upfront? That's a great question, Joseph. Don't know. I think a lot of the proto straight edge bands just there was no rules really set in stone yet. I think they, as we've said.

They were edge fluid for real. Yeah. Like, for real. Albaril. We don't know that it was a lifetime commitment for him, you know, based on what's, Nancy says it was. Some have said it wasn't. You never know. I think the proto edge bands, it was, they were very much like learning as they went.

And I do, but I do think what's funny is I think Bo and I separately or and together have been straight. edge longer than in our lives than many of the like founding fathers of straightage. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know. Which makes us founding fathers of straight. It's just one of those things that's like, I think it was such a break away from what was so

normal in the punk rock genre. Yeah. Getting fucked up and doing whatever was so normal that even being like, hey, I didn't do that for a few months and I think we should all not do that or do it less or whatever it is. That's forward thinking, you know. I agree. I definitely think so. I definitely think so.

Adam Marshall asked, when's the musical collab between the two of you happening? Man, ASAP, maybe. We have an idea that I've not given up on or anything. We have, we have an idea. I love that idea. It's a good idea. We're just, uh, this guy's in five fucking bands. He's six bands.

But I'm ready for that one. I'm ready for that one. Yeah. We just got to... I need a distraction from the other five. I need a sixth. Totally. So soon, maybe 2026.

Yeah, I like that idea. Let's do it. What made you laugh the hardest in 2025? Oh, man. What was our hardest laugh on the show? Should start writing these moments down. I know. You know?

Like, oh, that was a good laugh. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Belly, a belly laugh. Yeah. Belly app. I think Naked Gun remake was a lot of hard laugh.

Really? A lot of. Dude, it's incredible. There's a punchline every 30 seconds. Damn. It's crazy. My hardest, what was you doing? The hardest we laughed on the show.

I don't know. It's probably something like this, which is you and me. Yeah. Honestly, the ads have been. Ads, dude, ads get us every week. Guys, if you skip the ads, I understand it, because I would skip ads too. Like, I totally get it.

Yeah. We're not giving them like everybody else, baby. No, and, you know, sometimes we, there was a streak where we had to reuse because you were on tour. But whenever we're doing fresh ads, we're having so much fun. You got, like,

just wait, dude. The ads in this episode are going to rock. You got to listen to them. That's, typically we get done and we'll hit on stop on the recording or whatever, and we just like, dude, what are we doing? Like, this is ridiculous. just send him a Stephen, like, see what you can do with that.

Mount Rushmore of exercises to prevent herniated discs in the pit. Oh, as someone with a severely herniated disc, I have found, oh, this is actually really pertinent. This is good. Three things, three major things that have helped me. Do not do anything where you're compressing your spine. Don't touch your toes. Don't bend forward. Hyper extend.

Go the other way. So go up to a railing. and bend all the way back and hold that. See, that's the, I can't fully advise. That's for your back, for sure. For the disc, yes. For those, for my spin kickers out there, loosen those hammies up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is two and three. Yeah. So I'm saying hyper extend for herniated discs. Don't bend forward. A big reason why a lot of us get herniated discs is from sitting too much. Your hips get so tight. You got to stretch those hips out, baby.

The way you stretch out your hips without, hyper extending is you could do like Cobra you know you get all the way in your tummy do like half a push up that's one of the best

arch your back all the way up my favorite one is you're this is hilarious to talk about on this show but get into like

the lunging pose right one knee up then you're on your knee on the other one take a band and wrap it around the foot that's backwards and pull it

and then you just lean forward and you let your quad and this front hip flexor just stretch and you just sit in that for fucking 60 seconds and then switch the other one and then do it again. Outstay. And then dude,

my biggest one that has helped me so much with my back. Deadhanks. Grab a bar. Oh, I mean, that's the greatest. Hang for as long as you can. God damn. Dude, hang for 30 seconds a day. Straight. I start. And the decompression you will feel from that. You will literally physically feel your body

falling back into place. Elongating. It's crazy. I start every exercise, every workout without. that and then I end with it too. I'm actually going to install a bar on my porch because I want to just be able to do it. It helps so much. So those are... Great question, Pete.

Yeah, great question. I totally understand it. Let's see. This is funny. This is a good question. Okay. This is from Wolverine Has the Blues. Do you pick slash plan your shirts with whatever you're filming or think it's a cool shirt

associated with whatever's going on? Example into another shirt during Coheed. No. I mean, for travel. I'll just look at a couple sick ones and be like, that's sick, I'd wear that on the show. The only thing I really think about when it comes to filming stuff is do I look fat in this? Or like, do I look okay in this?

That's every minute of my life. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I don't want to, I did, so I was very much like, okay, for the Claudio episode, which is probably going to be pretty big, I'm going to wear a nice Fred Perry ringer that anybody would look good in, kind of a thing. Yeah. I'll think I'll try, I'll just have to consciously be like, don't wear a shirt of the person I'm talking to.

Yeah. for sure. That'll happen. But otherwise, it's just like, and sometimes it'll be, I want to put something over, you know? Yeah, oh, dude. Like, for example, when we did the speed episode,

I wore a chain shirt because I wanted to put over an Australian band. I knew Australian people were going to be watching that episode. There you go. So, yeah, that's a good one. That's kind of rule number one. It's like, okay, if I'm, if, a lot of times I won't think about it.

I'll just grab something I see. Yeah. But when I do think about it, it's so, Whoever's watching it will be psyched. Who I'm talking to will be psyched. And it's like it's the same thing as watching, like I've said many times, the machine head dynamo set.

It's where my brother and I first saw a neurosis t-shirt. Wow. So you check out neurosis from there. Yeah, it's the same thing as watching a band on stage, liking the shirt. We like that. We love a shirt. This is, I just wanted to put over a little folk band

called Crosby Stills and Nash. Ah, totally. So I put that on today. throw my bone, you know. Good shit, yeah. Put him over. Any possibility of a Ned Russon interview. That sounds fantastic. Yeah. We would love that.

We'd love to have all of them. Yeah. Separally together. Whatever. Here we go. Wolverine has the Blues, once again, ask best slash worst pieces of music equipment you've ever personally out. Oh, that's a great question.

Let's see. Worst. Worst would be the first, the first, and Anthony Gonzalez probably, I think he actually owns this amp, so I think he like loves it. Crate made these furry heads.

They were like carpeted and furry. They're like the G. H-100s or 1000s or something like that. And it was just dog shit. Mental borrowed it one time. What was that other band? Not Dead Stop. Another Belgian band

that mental toured with around that time. Fuck. Justice? Justice borrowed it one time on the same tour. It sounded like ball sack. And it was a solid state amp. It sucked. I really did not connect with the Quad Cortex. Yeah,

but... Obviously, it's amazing. Yeah. It's an unbelievable piece of technology. It's like saying you didn't connect with a particular camera. 100%. Obviously, that camera's a work of art.

It's just not... 100%. Yeah. That makes sense. It's about the photographer. I can accept that. It just wasn't... It wasn't for what I was doing.

It wasn't the right move. it's unbelievable. I'm sure given another six months with it or week with it, I would have figured it out. If I could have come over and like shown you. Yeah, yeah, of course. Exactly exact things. I think it would have made a slight difference,

but like it was a little overkill for what you needed. For sure. I'm also just, I'm analog pilled, you know? Yeah. I'm pilled. I'm pilled. It is what it is. Best piece of music gear

would obviously be my doneable R2 V2 custom the V2 of my V2, my newest one. Right there and it's spectacular. I'm going to tell you all about it in a second. Great segue. Boy, did it say this year or just ever? No, best ever. Little thing called the Quad Cortex.

I really can't believe that. I like that. I cannot imagine listener. Anybody who doesn't know what this thing can do, just in one sentence, the elevator pitch of this thing. Any knob in an entire signal chain from every pedal to volume to EQ to amp settings to an actual amp, whatever, can all change with one click of a button. You can set every single knob, everything that's adjustable to change with one click.

Yeah, I liked that. That brings me so much joy because I was on such a quest to use effects switchers and do all the shit and everything. I had everything analog and it just never worked right. And this finally works right. There you go. Because then, you know, different strokes. Yep. Folks, et cetera.

As someone who has written a total of zero minutes of music in their life, when writing slash playing, what is the point of bass? Oh. Is the bass always doing the same thing as the guitar, or is it separate? I'm sure it varies from band to band, but I've always been curious. I would say until 1980, bass is like the most important thing on any recording. Oh. It's like a very modern thing that bass is like a background second thought, you know? Especially in hardcore and aggressive music.

a hardcore. Because with like rock or funk or jazz, dude, the bass is like, the bass and the drums together are the star of the show. A lot of the times guitar is the afterthought. Guitar, yeah. Here's a really easy way to think about it. Piano, it's two hands. Imagine it's taken off the left hand and you only have the one. You don't have the stuff underneath the melody, which is typically the right hand.

if you want a good example of this, listen to Injustice for All and then listen to Injustice for Jason and see what he did because he wasn't just following what James was playing. He started adding base stuff and you listen to Injustice for Jason. His opinion of that, I've heard in an interview that he's like, that's not what we put out so I don't endorse that. It's stupid. It's not even what they recorded. It's what they put out. It's not what they made, you know? What do you mean?

he recorded bass he recorded bass but he yeah he's he's waffling for sure he's he's saying let's this wasn't the vision whatever it was 100% division listen it was the producer's vision it was everybody's vision but Lars well dude do you know

where he was like we recorded bass didn't we and the guy's like fuck you he's like dude I will kill you yeah yeah so if you want a good example of what base can do it's just look up go on YouTube AB between the two it's bass is a lot like mastering

Yeah, it gives you a frequency where you go, oh. You know it, you don't know it when you hear it. You know it when you don't hear it. Great way to put it. There we go. Look at, dude, the impression that I get, the guitars during the verse are all upbeat, all clean. And the bass is going for, he's going for a marathon. Oh, yeah.

He's going nuts. That's a good example It's kind of atypical bass Classically, but One of my favorite bass lines Is the chorus of Wuthering Heights by Kate Bush Oh yeah

Because it's there's It is doing It's obviously the chords Like the key is the same But it is doing its complete own thing Do do do do do Do do do do No other instrument is doing that

Yeah That's my shit And that that was what music was. Yeah. Another good example that comes to mind for what bass can really do is sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel. Come on. The bass is insane. It's doing all this cool slap shit.

It's doing all. And it's so in the pocket to your point about being the rhythm section. It's all kick and snare. Boom. It's like it's fucking awesome. So I understand. not under, if you're not a musically inclined person, not getting it. Especially in hardcore.

Especially. It is an afterthought. A lot of 99% of the time in hardcore, it's doing what the guitar is doing. Yeah. But if you turned it off, you would know. Perfectly said. And justice for bass. Colin and Bo, if Paul Thomas Anderson could direct a music video for you,

what band and song would it be for? We, God's hate, literally tried. He's from the Valley. He's like the Valley's great. champion and his nephew, I played in a band with. What? Yeah, his name's Dan. He sang for a band called Inert.

Really? His nephew's a Corman. I had no idea. Yeah. So I don't think word ever got to him, but I did go, come on. He's directed these Heim videos, you know? Yeah, yeah. Imagine what he could do with the Valley Beyond.

Are they, are they Valley champs as well? Oh, big time. That's awesome. It's awesome. Opinions on Tarantino's egregious Paul Dano, Owen Wilson, Matthew Lillard slander. I just don't give a shit. I don't care. That guy's fucking...

Dude, Paul Dano's unbelievable. Paul Dano's awesome. Matthew Lillard is awesome. Owen Wilson. Owen Wilson is... Wow, he's amazing. But I don't... Tarantino is an incredible artist who's also a complete loser.

He's a... Yeah, he's just... I think he says stuff to just hear his own voice and do... get a pop, you know? Yeah, 100%. Who cares? I like everything he's ever done. Yeah.

Which sucks because he's clearly the worst. He could be for sure. So there you go. That's the opinion. I have a really hard time feeling bad for millionaires. 100%. That too. Yeah, that's very true.

He hurt my feelings. Now I'm going to go to my fucking mansion. Like, shut up. Yeah, I agree. Nicholas Koch said, hey, I'm the 9-11 shirt guy. He sent me a 9-11 shirt. And I'm also the guy.

who saw you at Neptune Oyster Bar in Boston. That did happen. Hey, Nick, Nicholas. Curious if that place also gave you a stomach issue as it terrorized me. No, I don't think it did. I think I was good. Maybe you got a different oyster than I did. Yeah.

I wish that I had gotten, I think the place was good. It's a classic. Okay. I wish I got all oysters. I thought everything else was just fine. What else did you get? Got a lobster roll, which was good. Got a clam chlam.

chowder that was really runny? No good. It was very soupy. And I'm in Boston. Yeah, that's not a chowder. It's no good. I don't know now. You know?

Yeah. Have we bastardized it into being something that I think it? I don't know. I don't think so. Do you get anything else? Oh, yeah. Some if switch clams, dude, the fraud clams. Come on.

I love seafood, dude. I love it so much. It rules. Matt Rushmore, pieces of physical media you own. Okay. Remember someone asked us that at the downbeat pod we did and just had no idea what they were asking? Yeah, that was weird.

Halloween 7th right there. Yeah. Unsilent Death Test Press. Damn. I got some shit, you know. You got some stuff. I got some stuff. I have the twitching tongues lyric sheet that you sent me, the two lyric sheets.

That actually legitimately is among my favorite things. The Walk Among Us, I have Can't Close My Eyes Wishing Well. And, oh, the picture of me in front of Danzig's house. Awesome. I know it's not like. You know, it's not, it's not, no, but it is a photo of me with a piece of weed from his yard in the frame. I have a kids will have their say signed by Al. That's pretty cool.

I forgot about that. I got to frame that. Physical media, does Sting's gloves signed by Sting count? Like, wouldn't it? It's not media, but I guess it's a thing. It's not produced. It's kind of like what would you grab in a fire that isn't alive, you know?

Yeah, I'd probably grab this painting. Yeah. This 7 inch. Just this wall. This bag. Obviously, my monster fridge. Obviously. If you had 10 minutes,

how many mozzarella sticks do you think you could eat? All right. 10 minutes. I'm going to ask some really practical questions. How fresh are they? Blazing hot. Blazing hot. Okay, that matters, obviously.

Do I have cold marinero sauce? Yeah, whatever you want. And soda. Yeah. Okay. And one last, are we talking chilies? No, because those are 450 cows each. Are we talking Burger King?

Because they're that big. No, I think just like a classic, like the restaurant cylindrical matril. Praola marker width. Maybe a little thicker. Okay. Marker. Marker, yeah. Like a marker, yeah.

Yeah. In 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 15. Really? Yeah, dude. We do this every six months. I think I could do 20.

This is not good. not like would. It's could. I think you underestimate numbers. I don't think you count very well. When it comes to this

thing. 20 mozzarella sticks? That's two a minute. Yeah, I would do way more than two in a minute. First minute I'd smash five. When I go to Alamo Draft House, I get eight. And that's one serving.

You know? Yeah. I guess, and honestly, I'm actually kind of agreeing with you now. You do eat, like, whenever you get mozzarella sticks for the table, I'm always in my head. I'm like, are they can eat that last one? 100%? Every time, because they go quick.

Okay. I'm thinking 20. I'm going to, between 15 to 20, I think is realistic. Okay. You kind of got me there. A Mazpil. Easily. Now, the Chili's ones, four.

Four in ten minutes is crazy. I do. I do it and I've done it. Oh, God. It's a thousand calories. They are the fattest fucking dumb-ass thing that you can eat. They're so good. It's literally the fattest shit of all time.

I would love to see, like, the portion of milk. Or I'm sorry, of cheese. Like what it looks like, not breaded. You see that poll, dude? Yeah. It's got to be like three quarters of a pound per stick. A lot of protein. Yeah.

Jesus. A mini baby bell is like six grams of protein. Yeah, isn't that crazy? I keep seeing these Instagram reels and shorts and TikToks of recipes with those things. And people are just throwing them in with the wax on. Like deep frying them with the wax on. Why? That's just because they know you'll stop and watch it when they do.

do it. They're targeting you. Damn. AI. Damn. Damn. Not a question, but been a fan for years. Y'all inspire me to become sober and last vice I have is nicotine. Today Mark's Day 8, no nicotine. Yo, I heard like two weeks

and it's like you're really over the hump. Interesting. That's what I've heard. I've never... Congrats to you. Yeah. Unbelievable. You know what's crazy? What's better than that? Oh, that's the best. I'm hearing that. It's the best. That is as good as someone being and like checked out Marauder pretty good, you know.

It's better. Yeah. My mom smoked when I was a kid. Like chain smoked in the house all the time. She actually, she smoked when I was a kid. She quit for a while. Then when we moved to Roselle, where I grew up, that she started smoking again.

And then she eventually moved to Dallas and worked for the DA there for a while. Cigarettes were half the price. So she was fucking chimney stack, you know. She moved back to Chicago in like, 2018 or 20 something like that quit cold turkey because the cost of cigarettes were so high wow dude a carton of cigarettes now i'm i'm sure it's expensive in la too it's nearly two two hundred dollars in chicago good yeah yeah that's how you do it man price you know it's so funny is they that's how they try to get rid of plastic bags in chicago and pop they they instituted a pop tax and a

bag tax, but everybody, nothing is, it hasn't detour at anything. No, plastic bags are, what are they, 10 cents there? 10 cents, yeah. Yeah, that's been going on here for like 10 years. Yeah, it's been like five here, maybe a little more. Dude, 12 packs of soda used to be like four bucks. Bro, you used to be able to get like three for 10, three for 12. It's insane now.

It's like $15. Everything's fucked. I cannot believe how expensive pop is. genuinely, that one is like, wait, it's supposed to be cheap if I buy a 12-pack. That's like the cheap way. It's the whole thing. It's fucked up. You know what else?

You know what else hurts? When I leave the gym, I go to the Circle K and I grab like a muscle milk or a protein, the Fair Life, you know? $8. $6. For real. And they're barely cheaper as in bulk. The Fair Life ones are like $40 for the 12-pack. Yeah, exactly.

It's insane. It's horseshit, dude. We gotta just drive me crazy, man. Start over. Anthony Mingoya asked, any tips or advice

for dealing with depression slash lack of motivation? I would say... I'd love to know how old he is. Yeah. I'm currently pretty unmotivated all around. I think that's just December,

though. It's seasonal, truly. So, Anthony, you let me know if you figure something out. I'll have two quick answers. One, when I was young

and I was going through some shit, I just hung out, went out with my friends. Just be around your people. Play, do stuff with your friends. Go to shows, try to make music.

If you don't do music, play video games. You don't do video games. Go do a sport together. Do something with your friends. and just get out of your head, get out of your house. It will help every time. As I'm older, when I'm going through it, I find it's actually the opposite.

I need knee time. I need bow time. I need to decompress. I need arc raiders. I need the gym. I literally, if it's nice enough out or whatever, even if it's not, walk around with some headphones on and just enjoy outside. Little, little, little things. Clean my apartment.

Oh, I love cleaning. That makes me feel so good and centered. and it helps me. I know it's tough to motivate. I'm tough to get motivated if you're unmotivated to clean your apartment. I get that, but it's like one thing at a time, take out the trash. Yeah. Do those dishes.

Make little goals. Little goals. Yeah. But also don't feel bad about not accomplishing something, you know? Totally. That's this part of the, lack of motivation is part of the process. Totally. Because once the motivation comes, it's, oh, my God.

When you get out of that valley and you find yourself upset. assessing over something. It's the best. It's the best. Favorite record that surprised you in 2025? The C4 record. I mean, that is... I had...

Obviously, I heard their previous stuff. I dug it. This, with the DFJ flare and the production, it is pretty perfect, I would say. It's in a league of its own. Yeah.

The Rosalia record for me? Yeah. Dude, there's not a second of music of hers otherwise that I'm interested in. How interesting is that? That is fascinating, isn't it? It's like a classical record, but produced like a pop record. And she's like an unbelievable singer. It's crazy.

I can't compare it to anything. It's unbelievable. Could God say defeat San Fernando Valley's own Cobra Chi Dojo? There's just so many of them. And also their fake value. There's so many of you, too. Yeah. We could get some backup for sure.

I'm sure, God's hate and company could defeat Cobra Coy. Okay. That works. How do you guys pick what music you're going to listen to each day? I typically will wake up with it in my head. Really? I've been waking up with Lana Del Rey in my head for the last few days. A week, even.

And it's just like... I got to listen to it or even just hum it out and then I'll think of the next thing. I have like a jukebox just kind of going in my head and just have to see it through and then it'll lead me to where I want to be typically. I go on a lot of hard lore guest kicks. Yeah, you do. Big time, dude. Yeah. When we have a get, when we have somebody on, I'll listen the whole week before the whole week after.

Dude, Davey was crazy because we were both like. Re-pilled. It was crazy. Like a month. of nothing else. We drove to the episode listening. Yeah. And it felt great.

Black sales. Yeah, that was awesome. It felt awesome. Yeah, you do, that's a good call. I'm a big time hard Lord guest, uh, listener. I also, um, when there's new music out, I, I try to listen to it the second I get to the gym as part of like the workout. It's like part of like, okay, mentally I'm going to listen to this new music that whatever

man put out. That's, and, and I just kind of like, I don't. pick. It's a good way to kill 20, 30 minutes too. Exactly. It's not a picking thing. It's just like what's out. Oh, I'm listening to that. Right. It's typically what I would do it. Favorite stolen riffs of all time. Now that is a question. First one that comes to mind, all due respect, feed your disease and bolt thrower. I'm so sick of that one. Is it not? It's, it is. But dude, it's not like a popular a bold thrower song, you know? And now it is.

So you're welcome, everybody. You're welcome, bolt thrower. It's a certified deep cut. But, Hey, Prey did it first with last breath. And that's one of my favorites stolen risks of all time. Bidavidavid, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit, bit, yeah. Hey, hey, hey.

Yeah. So, Hey, Perry did that before we did. And it was very profitable for them. Much more profitable than it was for us. I don't know about favorite, Remember the guns up song that just... The entombed one ripped off entombed so hard. Note for note.

That was crazy. Saddest Day is also entombed, I think. The pit. The whole pit. Yeah, she's entombed. And Inspector Gadget, as he told us. I mean, I've stolen so many, but we're not talking about that. Let's see.

What's a good stolen one? It's a good one. Yeah. This is a great question. The. violation demo basically starts with life is pain. That's a good one. Fade to black.

The break the... Da-da-da-da-la-la-da-da-da-da-da-da-a-da-a-ta-ta-a-ta-a-ta-a-ta-a-ta-a-ta-ta-a-ta-a-ta-ta-a-ta thing. So Metallica was successfully sued by the band Excel, a thrash metal band from Venice Beach, for Enter Sandman and their song tapping into the emotional void. That song is unbelievable. Is it? I've never actually listened.

It's so much better than Enter Sandman. Dude, that first riff is unbelievable to the point where I can't fathom how they heard Enter Sandman and we're like, this is just like this, because their song is so much crazier. Oh, I see what you're saying. So much crazier. So much cooler that, like, I would hear Anderson Man and them be like, we're such a better band. Yeah, right.

But they were, they successfully sued them for it. It's crazy. Well, I think that that is kind of bullshit. Like the Ed Sheeran thing. And Olivia Rodrigo, Taylor Swift. Yeah. It's just like, hey. There's 12 notes.

Yeah, it's literally 12 notes. You know? Yeah. Absolutely. So I think that's kind of, but it wouldn't. So Kirk, he very famously wrote the Anderson Man riff, and then they changed it because it was three and one, and then they made it one and three, you know, blah, blah, blah.

It wouldn't, I wouldn't be that surprised if he had heard that rift and just kind of, like, came to him, you know? But, dude, it's like, so the InterSatman is down, the Excel one is like, And it doesn't present the minor minor. It's crazy. I mean, if that counts, that's the best one. Because that riff is fucking crazy.

Other than that, it's probably like Led Zeppelin with their entire discography or something. Sure. Yeah. Hey, everybody. You got to pardon us real quick for this interruption. It's very important. relatively, right? It's the end of the year. We're having fun.

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Yeah, how do you feel? I think it's been past its prime for a long time. But obviously, as it was a... an easy place for you guys to get to. The five north going home every night was under construction every time. Going home takes two hours because of traffic. Going home takes two and a half hours because there's one fucking lane for two hours. Won't miss that.

Obviously, for Orange County hardcore in the 2000s, it was like the place to be. The fire code was neither here nor there. so they would get 8, 900 people in there sometimes. And dude, some, like, I saw Cromag's there. I saw Madball there. Saw Gorilla Biscuits there. It was incredible. It was unbelievable place to go.

Never had that all great sets playing there, really, just because we weren't ever really over in Orange County. Ruckus played there with Cheraer one time. That was awesome. I saw Eetown there. I watched Walter from rotting out. I watch the teeth missing his teeth. Yeah.

I watched that happen. I watched the chaos, the, the pit move that made that happen. Fuck. It was unbelievable. I think we've played there probably like six times total. The last time I played there, I just posted about this. I was playing bass because Casey had COVID at the time and couldn't go. That's when I ordered Taco Bell.

You ordered Taco Bell during the set, which was pretty cool. Like I could literally see Colin in the back of the venue with a Taco Bell rapper like singing along. Legitimately. You had to go outside and get it for me because I couldn't go in and out. Always enjoyed it. But it is one of those things where you're kind of there and then you're kind of on an island. There's no really nowhere to go. Good target down the street.

Good target. Clean bathroom there. It will be missed. Of course. It was so important for Southern California. hardcore for so long, especially after the loss of the showcase. It was an unbelievable place.

Saw so many great bands. It's kind of one of the... Hated going there. Yeah. It's probably one of those venues that you hear about all the time where all of your favorite bands have played there. 100%. Every single guitar-based band. And dude, the website was all ages.com. You know? Really.

No matter how unaccommodating the staff wanted to be that night, no matter how mean the sound guy wanted to be, it was all motherfucking ages for most of the time. Yeah. And they, uh, didn't they do some kind of streaming thing too, kind of ahead of their time? Dude, chain chat. Chain chat was the littest. They had a, uh, a projector on the wall of like a live Twitch chat. So I'd be, I'd be on there at shows I wasn't, I wasn't at. Yeah. Would you text it or was it a website? No, it was, I think it was Twitter? where you would tweet with like a hashtag

with chain chat and the hashtag and I would be at home like I'm shitting my ass off in the bathroom right now. Help. And like having full conversations with people on the chain chat hashtag

as it's being projected under the wall for the entire show to read. So that was great. You could probably look up the chain chat hashtag and find some good shit on there. Yeah. Okay.

But they didn't do like video streaming. I'm in probably. I don't know. I know that they, you weren't allowed to stage dive there, but people did it all the time. Oh, yeah. I did. Videos were blocked because of people stage diving. During terror, we did two nights in a row there on the occasion street tour, the very like first real tour we did.

And during terror, I ran on the wall. I did like a ninja move and ran on the wall as a stage dive. That's awesome. It felt cool. The last internal affairs show was there. Mm-hmm. and terror played just lowest of the low front to back. It was so sick.

Yeah, I saw many unbelievable things there. It will be missed. Won't miss the drive, but that's, it's got nothing to do with me. You know, for Orange County, it's an incredible loss. Yeah. There you have it. Go to, this is a great question, Connor McLaughlin. What are your go-to, cold weather meals?

Dude, ramen me the fuck up. It's soup with the best meat possible. You know, that's like the first one that really comes to mind. I've got two. Please. The panera masala from L'LMurch with the chicken ticket appetizer on the side and some cheese not. Dump it in. And the number one from Faso 1 in Van Nuys.

Oh, did you take me there? Is that the one you took me to? Did we get both? Yeah, we went one time. Then we definitely went there. Yeah, it was in Van Nuys. Did we get the egg roll? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was very good. Come on, dude. It was very good. Dumping syracha and the hoisin sauce. Lime and jalapeners and the lime and all that's shit in there. Come on, dude. On a rainy day, the line is out the door. Just not like an hour ago had some Japanese sandoes,

and they had a tucatsu pork sando. And with a side of curry to, dip it in and it it tastes it very authentic very Japanese that hit pretty good that'll do that'll do yeah favorite christmas gift you've ever received i love questions like this i think they unlock something you know um i'm gonna tell i okay you and i did a christmas special on like our first year ain't no none of these freaks watched it so i'm gonna i want to give best and worst we'll say best than like maybe most disappointing

because worst is kind of rough Best was dude my mom my mom man I don't know how she did it she was a single mother working her ass off

and she would always make Christmas the best it just every time I would come out Christmas morning and that tree would be fucking full and it was all mine it's crazy the year that's a real highlight for me

was she got me a GameCube in like middle school you know, like right when it came out, hard to get, got me a GameCube, got me Smash Bros and like whatever that came with it. Just truly like, I was old enough to appreciate it. You know what I mean? The most, the opposite of that. PS2 was out. I wanted a PS1 because it was, the PS2 just came out.

And I was like, I don't need that. I can get the PS1. PS2 plays PS1 game. So when I do upgrade, I'm good. And I was like, Dad, this is an easy gift. You can find them anywhere. they were like 150 bucks. And by that time it was like the PS1 slim.

Exactly. And the smaller. The small. I just wanted something quick because I was always a Nintendo guy. I wanted a PlayStation. He said, he did the thing. We'll see.

Kind of a thing. I remember I woke up because I would do actual Christmas with my mom and then a week later with my dad or whatever. Woke up and went out to the tree. And I was whenever, I don't know, 10, 11. I saw a box.

That's PlayStation. You know what I mean? And I know my dad. My dad was a big kid himself. So I was like, that might be a fierce too. Who knows? You know, who knows? It was big.

It was I knew the size. I ran back to bed because I didn't want to get caught looking and like miss out. I was so excited. So we go, go out and we're doing all the things. And they're like, all right, you got to save that one for last. And I was like, okay. No problem. And it's literally like socks.

Thank you so much. You're so considerate. Wow. What a wonderful day the whole time. you know, finally get to the last one. I open it up. I tear that motherfucker right down the corner. Roller blades.

I got a pair of roller blades. I looked outside. There's about a foot of snow on the ground. And they were like purple. And if I was, let's say, a size, I don't know, seven in men's, these were a size five. And I was just, thank you. You're like, this is the worst Christmas episode. Yeah.

Yeah. It was destroyed for me too. So those are my two answers. Wait, you didn't get a PlayStation? No, I got rollerblades, bro. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's the end of the story. I opened it up and they were like, uh,

and I was like, thank you. And I think my dad just forgot. Dude, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. I got to get you a fucking PS2. Yeah. I was like, this is. going to be unbelievable. This twist is going to break me. No twist. M. Knight sat this one out. You're telling me, you said, Dad, I'm going to give you a softball. Yeah. Get me the cheap last year's

model of this thing. Yeah. And he said, fuck you. Here's some boots with wheels that are too small. Yeah. I believe they were a gift from my stepmom's mom, my step-grandmother, Bobby, which was very nice. Obviously, it's nice for her to get me anything. But I was so, like, everybody can invent Yeah, but that means, what did Santa get you? Santa got me fucking, like, socks in like a RC car or something. Dude, I don't mean to sound ungrateful here, but I would not be grateful. I was, um, it was, I was pretty pissed. That was pretty pissed.

That was pretty pissed. That's crazy, man. Yeah. What about you? That's crazy. That's sickening to me. What about you? What about you?

What's your best? My favorite gift I've ever received, I think, uh, so the, the first year that Pokemon came out, I was often, stealing Taylor's Game Boy at night. And it was, it was an old gameboy, no backlight. No backlight. So you needed an external source of light on it. And you can only have one save file on there.

Oh, really? And Pokemon, yeah. So I would be running around his world. Thinking about like, it would be so cool if I could have my own world in this, you know? Yeah. And I didn't even have to ask. Christmas Day, I had a Game Boy color that had just come. out.

Just come out. With red and blue. Which is hilarious because you didn't need red of black. I mean, but like, you know, I'm a man of excess. True. I love good shit. So I can't believe it. And I've never, I'll never forget that feeling of like, oh my God.

Because I never owned anything. Yeah. Like literally, I'm six or seven years old. I've never owned a thing that felt like it was mine. Everything's hand me. I'm using Aaron's Sega Genesis. I'm using Taylor's Sega Saturn. I'm using the N64 that does not belong to me.

I don't have a save file. Yeah, right. This Game Boy Color is the first thing in my life that was mine. Then didn't something terrible happen? That was my Game Boy Advance SP a few years ago. Okay. A few years after. Okay.

That I brought to rehearsal for the musical. and the day after I got it. It was December 26th. I had rehearsals for a Christmas carol at the Hartford stage. A professional production, by the way. Like Broadway in Hartford, it's the equivalent to the pantages in L.A.

I was in a Christmas carol two years in row, as told on the Downbeat Live episode. So it's professional production. Somebody steals my Game Boy event. A child's Game Boy Advance. you believe that? dirty dog. Scum bag.

Scum bag. Favorite gift you've ever given. Wow. That's tough. That's a great question. Holy shit. I got one for Lana this year. I'm excited to give her, but I can't talk about it.

No, you can't talk. Just in case she listens. I was really happy to get your last Muppet poster. That was a big. That was a good book. one because I found it. Dude, have you seen what those are worth now?

No. A lot more than you paid for. I'll tell you what. Are you sure about that? I think so. It was a lot. They're like over a grand. Okay.

That's a lot more than I paid for it. Yeah. For sure. Crazy. Yeah, you got equity. So I got equity in my, in my Muppets art for sure,

which is great. Trying to think of other gifts. I do love a good gift. I love, A trip is a gift. It took Taylor to Las Vegas once. That's nice. Got the hotel, got the food.

You know, like, and that was December. That was nice. I like stuff like that. Nick Disciple asks, what is the thing that you are both most proud of after doing this show for three years? I think that we're still doing this show, three years deep. Pretty amazing. I really appreciate it.

And this is not me like trying to inflate my ego or anything. but when we go to shows and old heads and young heads alike are like love the show I heard this. I listen to this band because of you guys. Yeah, obviously love that. That's my proudest thing. That's the coolest thing to me. I like learning stuff from the show. I like that people learn stuff from the show.

By our hand or inadvertently or whatever. That's my favorite thing. You know what feels really cool that like never gets old is when act like close friends reach out about listening to a specific. episode or something. Like, hey, this was awesome. That's, that's really nice. It's like, wow, man. Yeah. Because we work, we work our asses off on this same thing, as does Stephen, you know. People listening at all is surprising. Friends listening who already get enough of us is even more, you know.

Agreed. Yeah. Mount Rushmore floor punch songs. Great question. Great question. Intro clear changes. No exceptions. Wash up at 18. Clear changes. It won't happen to us. No. Fucking way. Isn't that... It's the name of that song.

Isn't that... Isn't that? That's washed up at 18. Is it? Right? Yeah, I think you're right. That, yeah, that's... That seems to be the one that people cover, mostly.

Like, I've seen several... I've seen several covers of that. I just saw one on the internet. And yeah... That's badass. Fucking awesome. Movie of the year. One battle or after another.

Yeah, I think I'm inclined to agree. I haven't seen it again yet. You're going to love it. But I intend to. Definitely intend to. Have you finished Eddington yet? No. I haven't had a time for it.

Dude, Arc Raiders is my life. You got to watch Eddington. You got it because I just saw. I will. I will. When I'm tired of Arc Raiders, I'll do something. I just saw like the finale again, like on my algorithm. like the very last thing where you're going to go what?

And it made me like, oh man, he's not going to believe this. He is not going to believe this part. It's so good. Couldn't believe the middle, I'll tell you that way. Yeah, and it, dude, it keeps going. I believe it. It's crazy. Any new releases on Hardlaw Records next year would love to see more.

We got one, an LP in the books for a newer band, Cyan, we've already talked about. That thing is insane. getting mixed now had to get vocals had to get completely re-recorded as also stated in the Wheel of Fortune episode and then we have two reissues that are

slash things like these are first first ever on streaming type things right so that'll be very cool very cool watch out for that soon what was the process like for the God's hate feature on the new Acacia strain record they asked do you guys

want to sing on this we said yes I recorded mine I think the day before the deadline and Brody recorded his I think two days before the deadline and there it is

Bon Appetit Sounds awesome That record sounds awesome Yeah it does I think it's probably their best stuff in a long time Yeah As far as like what I like in heavy

And extreme music It sounds heavy and extreme and very sonically satisfying. It's awesome. It sounds more real than a lot of like the modern metal core stuff. Yep. Which I really appreciate. Yep.

Deep it up, guys. Colin, how long did it take to readjust to drumming post-handbreak healing? I would say it lingers to this day, the effects. Brutal, dude. I should have got the surgery. I didn't get surgery because the God's hate record release, aka the first show. back post-COVID

was four weeks exactly to the day. So four weeks exactly to the day was the show. A week before that, three weeks after the handbrake, we started practicing and I could not hit the snare

with my left hand. So I had to basically like duct tape my hand together for practice and like put a stick inside the tape. Yeah. Because I couldn't grip too hard.

And I had to relearn how to play drums basically so that my left hand never hit my snare. So you're doing, being left-handed entirely. So always, so I had a china here. Oh, I see.

You used to see. Got you. Gotcha. And then the ride would be the only time. So I think I put a ride over here as well. It would make sense. I was playing like the Cohit guy where everything was here. Yeah.

And my snare never hit my left hand. Yeah. Wow. So that sucked. Yeah. If you could pick any song throughout the history of music and become the writer of that song instead of the original artist. What song would it be?

It's awesome. It's a great question. What song? So here's how my head goes. It's like, hey, if I get the rights and I'm the only guy who said, I want to hold your hand, that's my song. Does that mean I get the other Beatles songs, too, afterwards? Like, do the Beatles not exist? No, this isn't a yesterday scenario.

This is, you own this song. Just this song. You're the guy who wrote this song. Opem gangam style. My God, banger, dude. Richest man in the world. You know? Or, or truly Sandstorm.

He put out one song. One thing, and he's a legend forever. And he's a legend. I'm thinking, like, what's a, like, a classic rock song and a lot of movies? Like, Fortunate Sun. Yeah, CCR. Paint it black. Give me shelter.

All along the watchtower. the Jimmy Hendricks version, you know, or there's something about Buffalo Springfield. You know what, dude? What? I got it. I own the rights to and receive royalties to happy birthday to you. But where are you going to get royalties from that? Bro.

Wherever. Every birthday. There's no record sales for that. This is different now. I'm stepping in. In my universe where I own happy birthday. Uh-huh. People will pay.

Mm-hmm. Happy birthday to me 365 days a year. You know what else would be a good one is the Hank Williams 2. Are you ready for some football? Because you know that check was fat. Oh, fat as hell, dude. In our, there's a setlist.fm twitching tongues set. Yeah.

Where we sang happy birthday to Taylor on stage. And in the set list, it says, happy birthday, something, something cover. That's so funny. It's two little girls. You know that? Is that true? Two little girls wrote that song from like Middle America. Like they wrote the song.

That's fucking insane. Yeah. It's got to be public domain by now, no. Not anymore, buddy. Oh, this is good. What are your favorite things to do when visiting each other's cities? Oh, that's awesome. Great question.

What do I? I love, okay, so Colin, Colin is incapable. Aside from Lulmerch. of enjoying the same place for longer than two months. There's a new coffee spot. There's a new snack spot. Well, that's just, dude, there's so many new things always. I love a new thing.

I didn't, I don't retract. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the old one. No, no, no, I'm not saying, I'm not saying so. Okay. But it's rare that we go to the same place when I visit. Yeah. Because there's just new shit. I get it.

I like, I like seeing what you're excited about to show. on me. That's fun to me. We'll be like, dude, you got to get this. And then I do. And I'm rarely wrong. I would say never. Like we have, we have similar palettes when it comes to like non-cream. Non-cream for sure. That's like the biggest one. But like, like mouth feel stuff where it's just like, oh, the crunchiness, this and that. Like, I, I think we agree on stuff. So it's easy for me to be like, this is really good. Actually really good. That is, man. So Stephen, the editor of our show.

Who we love. Who we love dearly. He's got two quirks that we quote constantly. And that's one of them. This is actually really good because we've shown him so many new things. And that's what he says every time. And his other one is that we quote all day. And I don't even think Stephen knows this.

He's hearing this for the first time right now. He's hearing this for the first time right now as he's editing this, is. Gotcha And when you get one of those out of Stephen It's the best It's a success It feels great So we say that all day

We'll be playing arc raiders And somebody will drop a gotcha And we'll be laughing for three straight minutes So Stephen That's for you Thank you so much Who What about you in Chicago

You appreciate a dog And that That means the world to me It really does I mean I'll go to It's like in and out for me where I'll go to Portillo's for three straight days. Yeah.

And I'll love every minute of it. And I love Lumanades. It makes me so happy. I love it. You don't even understand. It feels like home. It's what I grew up eating. It's the place.

I love it. Makes me very happy. So those are my answers. Food. It's food. It's food. It's always food. What was the last time you went to the ocean, Colin?

It could not tell you. Other than the cruise ship? cruise? Yeah. Like at home, went to the ocean? Yeah, we went to the beach. 2018. Oh, I mean, that's fairly more recent.

I was there for 10 minutes. Sure. Which ones did you go to? Couldn't I. Whatever's on the Santa Monica, maybe one of those? The pier. All right. Garbage.

It's so funny to me. Let's see. Are there any trends you would like to see stop in 2026 or any trends you would like to continue in 2026. Yes. Parker related or something in the regular world. I'll tell you one thing. I went and saw Weekend Nachos played a show.

Their holiday show the other night at the sub-T. There were young kids floor punching, stage diving, and skanking. Nary a spin kick thrown. No disrespect. No, none taken, trust me. But I like seeing

I like seeing that things can ebb and flow. That's all. I appreciate. If you can pull, if you can spin kick and mosh like a monster and make it look good, I respect that. I can't be, I'm not built that way. Style first. And that's amazing. If you have style while you're doing this ridiculous thing that we've all done, that's amazing to me.

There's really three types of moshes, aren't there? There's the ones who look good, the ones who are just wrecking balls, and then the ones who don't look good. That's it. Dude, those are crazy. And everybody's got to start somewhere, you know? Of course. But when an old-ass-looking motherfucker, like a late 20s. Yeah, yeah.

Sucks at Moshin. Get in the bedroom, brother. Get to work. Put the reps in at home before you put this shit in front of me. Get out of the field, yeah. But yeah, the kids were, they were stage diving, sitting along, and literally floor punching, like full-on classic. And I'm talking possible teenagers. Made me very happy.

I love that. Very, very happy. How do we kill the horseshoe once for all? I've, okay, this is hardcore was the first one who I saw do it. Outbreak also did it the first year when we were there, where there's like a set of barricades at the back of the crowd. So if you want to be even a little bit in the mix, you have to be beyond this barricade and it forces, kind of corrals everyone. I don't love that as an answer, but it's something like that. Yeah, it's just, I don't, I think that's venue dependent, but we got to, we got to kill the horseshoe once for all.

Just get in there and accept that you may get a kick in the head. But Frank Sinatra, you know, he's talking about that too. It's not new. Frank knows. He knows, man. I don't know, man. I mean, the horseshoe isn't new. No.

You know? But if we could end it together. R&R had a song where the lyric went, what's up with? the semi-circles that I see at the shows. That's like the lyric. I'm sick of it. It was early 2000s, you know, so it's been around for at least that long.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. If fucking death threat can do it in the biggest, widest room in the world at FYA last year, and there was no horseshoe. Terror did it. You know what I mean? Just get in the mix.

You know, if you want to be there, just be there. Yeah, exactly. You got to want to, yeah. Favorite show you saw in 2025? Saw a lot. I saw a lot. Yeah. No bullshit.

Twitching tongues on that last day was, was something I'll never forget. On the cruise? On the cruise? It was something I will never forget what a spectacle that was. That was awesome. It was just a miracle. That that was a little bit good.

If it was even a little bit good, it would have been a miracle, but it was unbelievable. Oh, the answer for me, though, hands down was God's hate covering carry on. Hey, like just one of my favorite moments I've gotten to see and participate in in my life, let alone in the year. That rocked. It was unreal.

A coxbar at the Palladium. Sounded awesome. Unbelievable. Was everybody chuffed up? Was everybody chuffed up? Oh, my God, it was chuffed. It was insane. It was incredible.

This was great. They sounded perfect. Just very cool. If you had to pick. An album per muscle group for working out. What would they be? That's really good. It's great.

Legs. Yeah, legs. Lower body. You need heavy. Yeah. You need. That's a crowbar day. I was going to say crowbar.

I swear to God, I was thinking. That's a broken glass type day. Wow. Wow. Great. Great. Yeah, okay, I agree. All right, but now no crowbar.

No crowbar. Crowbar's, that's out. Leg, lower half of the body is all crowbar. Yeah, it's all weak. Chest. Chest, I can do something a little more upbeat, a little more quick, you know? Like fast or like mid-tempo?

Not fast, mid-tempo. Just a little more BPMs. Those ones loyal. Bolt thrower, those ones loyal. Wow. That's the chest-day special. Kill-chain comes on. Oh.

my God, dude. 600 pounds. All right, now back. Ten reps. Back. Back is all about perseverance. Wow.

You're nail in this, actually. This is, uh, all about perseverance. I think my number one, like my favorite song to listen to if I'm, I don't really listen to music to like get pumped up at the gym. Like, I don't use it that way. But.

If I ever have or ever need to, take by force is the, like the song. That's accessory day for me. Arms. Yeah. Dedicated arm day. The fun, the fun, the Friday. It's just master killer. It's like, I'll pop in for 48 minutes.

Dude, when, when I look at my, the workout app and I see, it says, it says 48 minutes estimated. And I know I'm going to superset some of that shit. So I'm doing it way faster. Oh, yeah. That's beautiful. stuff. Good answer. I think that, that feels right. That feels good.

Top three, Blood for Blood Songs. Waiting for the moment. Paper Gangster. Really? I was afraid that Paper Gangster was kind of the last caress, mother, like, song that everyone knows, kind of cop-out answer. It's unbelievable. Maybe a bitch called Hope, number three. Banger. Honorable mention, shut my eyes forever.

Harm's Wake covered paper gangster at the Burning Fight Fest. It's on YouTube if you look it up. That's awesome. True story. With HM2? I don't think we were, this was pre-HM2. This was reality approaches era. This was like, we still had the two Johns.

We're in the band. And what's funny is caution was probably. Was it their idea? Yeah. Legitimately. Well, and James. We should do paper gangster for a burning fight. Yeah.

That's awesome. It's true. How do I get big and ripped by hard lore? Listen to crowbar when you work legs. Perseverance when you work back. Those ones loyal when you work, Chess and Master Killer when you do accessories. You can't lose. And also go do those things.

I guess. When is the Crowbar episode happening and will it be a 10-part docu-series? Like, maybe, honestly. Legitian. I think we got to go to Nalans. Yeah, this is one of those. I'm not doing that over Zoom. A good thing to point out is Porter would have been in person.

It just didn't. It just didn't work out and we really wanted it to. That's why it took a year. It took so long and thankful for he was gracious enough with his patience to like do that, do it that way. We're not doing that to Kirk and Robin. We're going to go. We're going to make it right. IRL.

I need to hear him call me a young rocker right right in front of me, you know? Do you sit down to tie your shoes or do you bend over? I sit. Don't bend. Oh, I bend all day. But I have unbelievable. You're flexible. Hip, hip depth.

I'll either sit or I put my foot up on a bench and do it that way. So that is bending. You bring them to you. I bring them to me, though. Yeah, don't ever bend over to touch your toes if you have a bad back. Don't do it. I go to them. Don't do it.

I go full squat, ass to grass. Can you do that? Can you do heels down? squat, like the Slav squat, that's crazy to me. I do it all day. It's one of the most, it's like when I'm most comfortable. You seem to me, dear. Yeah, I guess.

It's just hard to believe sometimes. Here it is. Told you. How could I forget? Long time listener, first time ask her, favorite episode and show you played this year. Favorite episode would be Davy Part 2. Oh, I'll say Davey Part 1.

I'll yin-hing that. It's beautiful. I like that. I just think he was so comfortable with us, second half. It took a bit, yeah. And that felt nice. Favorite show I played this year? I mean, it's probably sounded true.

Yeah. That was really something. I'll say Davey Part 1. And then I know it's not really a show I played, but Jeopardy, doing Jeopardy. That's a live performance. Great. And that felt really, really good. I mean, that's one of the best things we've ever done.

I agree. I can't wait. Can't wait. Yeah, can't wait. What is a pit move you wish you could do? I really wish I could do a back, like a genuine, legit backflip. Really? Just standing, full tuck, backflip.

In the pit, though? Wherever. If you saw you do, if you saw you do that in the pit from stage, would think you were an asshole. Only because I'd be jealous. True. Seb from regulate backflips. Yeah, he could just do it.

And I see that and I go, God, I got to learn that. How does he do it? HR. HR could do that. Yeah, dude. There's that kind of like flying capoeira

looking spin kick thing that some people would do. Yeah, the butterfly. Yeah, Aaron, yes, yes, the butterfly kick. I wish I could do that. I can't even, I can't raise my leg above my belt. let alone that.

You kidding me? It's true. Yeah. What bands have you seen live the most? Terror. Terror. We can nachos and twitch and tongues. Like for sure the answer.

100%. Like without a doubt. How many times do you think you've actually seen terror? Like legitimately tours counted everything. Anytime you've seen that band perform. A hundred? Yeah. Like probably truly 100.

I'm probably around 60, you know? Yeah. It's crazy. And I can't wait for 100 and 1. This is a great question. Hardest job you had to work. Oh, great question. Did you guys ever think of going in a different direction career-wise?

And this brings me to something else. Nope. Because you see all day the stream that like streamers and people in entertainment talk about how it's like harder than service jobs or retail jobs. It's absolute horseshit. Total bullshit. It's the biggest load of shit you will ever read in your life. The lowest paid job I've ever had was the hardest job I've ever had. You think it correlates directly like that?

100%. Bottom of the food chain, you are working harder than the CEO. Yeah, for sure. But, but, okay, so what's your answer? Mine would probably be a production assistant on the show Big Brother. That was the worst job. Hardest. Hardest job.

Wow. And then being a part of the show. party line communications engineer after that. Right. I remember that one. Because those are 12 to 16 hour day, every day, minimum.

Big Brother was primarily manual labor because it's just moving set pieces for five to six hours at a time. 30 minute lunch. It's so insane. Back to five to seven hours straight of moving set pieces around. And then party line engineering,

was very technical. Again, long hours. The technology is constantly changing. So you're like constantly educating yourself on this new form of communication. Mine was when I worked in the seafood department at Whole Foods. I only did it for a year. But it was you're in, you're in sub zero or sub freezing temperatures for your entire shift. It's wet, your entire shift.

So you have to layer up. I get hot really quick. So I'm like both on fire and free. I put a catfish spike head head spike through my hand on the first day. It was constantly getting hurt, like literally through my hand. I've told that story, I haven't?

And I got paid $10 an hour. No insurance 32 hours a week. Don't listen to these fucking streamers. I would like to point out another terrible job that I did for maybe a week. was Postmates and DoorDash. Horrible. Yeah.

Horrible, dude. I feel every time I order from one of those services, that creeps up on me and I overtip and I feel like such a scumbag. Be so kind to anyone doing that. Dude, that job for a living. Sucks, dude. You're not making any money and you're just doing the most, oh, my God. Feel for anybody who's doing that, I'm glad that it's there for people who need it,

but God damn. But you're right. I mean, what I think streamers and them are saying when they're talking about that is like, the worst part of our, what we do for me. Yeah. Is the just ridiculous criticisms, the negative attention. For sure. Anything like that.

That's the worst part. But the actual, like us doing this. This? We're so fortunate. It's amazing. So I think when big streamers are talking about that, they're saying it's like, live in the moment for. eight to however many hours a day,

you're reading things in chat that are like you are terrible at what you're doing because people can just criticize, Chris. However, they're millionaires. So there you go. So there you go. Have you had salt and straw ice cream yet? And where would you rate it among ice creams? All right. Let me tell you this

something about salt and straw. Let's hear it. It's a disgrace. Whoa. It's a disgrace to ice cream. Tell me. These flavors are horseshit. It'll be like balsamic tomato. Yeah, I've seen them. Fuck you. Yeah.

Yeah, it'll be like muddy water. And it'll be like, wow, they really captured mud and water. It's horseshit. McConnell's is real ice cream, okay? Salt and straw is crap. The vanilla is good. When they have it. But the flavors are constantly changing.

They're doing all this bullshit. It's fine. It's ice cream, so it's great, obviously. But in terms of ice cream, It's my last choice. In Chicago, we have, for all my Chicago land people, if you've never had Graders ice cream, which is an Ohio thing, took Colin to it, it is the one location in Winnetka is in the scene where Kevin McAllister steals a toothbrush. Jimmy? Yeah.

Stop that boy. Stop that boy. Hey, it's that. Fucking dickhead. Little rat. Rat. Fuck. It's that, that is where it is.

So it's awesome just to go. It's open to like 11 p.m. Place rocks. We got Jenny's splendid ice cream, of course, and we just, dude, that's great. Just now, like a month ago, the six corners got a Van Lewin.

And let me tell you something, man. For chain, for chain creamery, Van Lewin, rocks. Honeycomb. Come on. There's also the, like, a pistachio one that's really good. sugar cookie dough brownie?

Dude, that one? That's the one I just got last time? Damn, I'm a fucking fat fuck. I love that one. That one is so good. It's fantastic. But yeah, salt and straw, bottom of the barrel bullshit. Damn.

McConnell's is very good. Ace freely loves it. Yeah, Paul, we met Paul Stanley. Oh, shit, I said Ace Freely. Fuck, I didn't mean that. RIP. Paul. Stanley loves it.

RIPE. Sorry, Ace. Paul, we'll see it at McConnell's soon. Haley Williams, when? We're trying, man. Dude, all she has to say is, hey, I have three hours on this day. And we'll... Wherever that is, we're there.

We'll handle... Hey, Nashville, March. Oh, yeah. So maybe... As people in the hardcore scene, how do you react to band breakups? 2025 had several big bands in the scene implode problematically or otherwise. Boy, I did it ever. Do you still listen to the music and wear the merch, or is it a varied thing?

It's definitely a varied thing. I didn't, I don't think I had any merch from any bands that have broken up. I do think aside from like outright cancellations, breakups aren't real anymore. Agreed. Breakups are fake. Fake ups, yeah. Cancellations, those, those are stick.

Yeah. And I think it very much depends on the band. I get torn on it. I respect when a band is like, you know what, we're good. We're just, we're not, we're done, whatever it is. I also understand why a band might come back. I totally get it. But it, it's a tough call.

And I think it's case by case. And it's so like, it's not of my business. Whatever X, Y, and Z band wants to do, that's what they want to do. I hope they're enjoying themselves, you know? Amen. Yeah. Favorite TV show of the past year and most anticipated TV show coming out in 226? I mean, I didn't watch a lot of TV this year.

severance was the only thing I like watched. Oh my God. I mean, it's severance. Yeah, it's severance. Without a doubt. That's like,

I cannot wait to see what they do with that. No. Joe Cure says, I'm getting married in two days. Congrats. Does Colin have any marriage advice? Listen. Buy stuff.

And, and laugh. You know? Buy stuff. Yeah. Get her some good items. They love items. And, you know, just enjoy your time.

Every day, every day is a miracle. You know what's really nice. I know I'm not married, but been around the block. Do things just because. Oh, that's the best. Just do stuff just because. And that's part of listening. Yeah, yeah.

Yes. Very good. You know? Very good. It's like, oh, they. Flowers can be. I heard that. In a month, I'll surprise you with that.

Yes. We'll do that. Just because. I'll do that. I'll clean that thing. One month, I swear to God, I'm going to clean that thing. 100%. It'll happen someday.

Mount Rushmore, Calbell parts in hardcore. I mean, there's one all-time goat. Okay. And it's sheer terror. Okay. Three-year bitch. Okay. Here it is.

I had to get on the down. The, uh, The Aglo one that you did. Oh, thank you. Pretty good. Pretty good. And then typo. Oh, yeah.

What is that? It's in gravity. Oh, yeah. All over gravity. Dude, heavy cowbell? Crazy. How do you do that? It's crazy.

That's right. It is in gravity. It's so good. You both have one hand that has unlimited access to liquids from each digit. Like each finger contains unlimited access. Yeah. Protein. Gotcha.

Yeah. Mine would be Fair Life vanilla from the thumb. Straight job. Because I'd be fucking that all day. Yep. Easy. Water from the pointer. No problem.

A little bit of. A little bit of maybe Baja Blass from the middle finger for fun. Baja Blas zero. Okay. That's fun. All day. Yeah. Alternating.

Married to. Married to the white mom. brother. Whoa. Okay. All right. And who's... You know what I'm saying.

Who's a little guy? You're forgetting a major. Diet cook. Okay, thank you. Yeah. I would be Dr. Evelyn on the die. Yeah, there you go. Married to the white monster.

Fucking the Baja Blasero. Pointing at some water and then... Sucking down some protein. The vanilla fair life protein all day. Have you tried the midnight Baha yet? It's not zero. No. Dude.

You know I don't do that. I know. I've literally, you do it every day when you get coffee. Yeah, that's different. Try it sometime. It's really, really good. All right. I will.

Is it still tropical? It's like grape, but not grape. It's difficult to explain. It's more in line with like a grape, but it's like bright the way Baja is. in a grape sense. Dude, Brittany sent me this article, I think yesterday.

A woman named Liz Matthews. She's worked for Taco Bell for 26 years in the like product development sector. Okay. She helped develop the Baja Blast, the Doritos Locos Taco,

and the crunch rap supreme. I mean, that's Michael, that's a hero, dude. It's Michael George. Imagine inventing the Baja blast. Just, Like scientifically creating the perfect soda to go along with your food.

What is the flavor of Baja Blass? It's a tropical blast. It's just tropical. It's just citrus. Okay. Yeah. It's so good. I can't, I mean, I can't tell you another time where a random offshoot flavor stuck around like this.

No idea. Like vanilla Coke, maybe. Maybe. And it's gone. And it's kind of hard to find. Yeah. Yeah. I love the Nla Kronk.

That's so good. I remember when it came out. I'll never forget. Which downpresser songs are your favorites to play live now that you're playing with them? Don't need a reason. I knew it. That song's awesome. I get to do that the whole time.

That one's incredible. I love arm's length from the seven inch. So weird. And probably, I mean, the intro is. I wish I could really, and slam the tubs on the intro. Why can't you? But if it's not razor precise, it doesn't hit the same.

I see. It needs to be bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, you know? Yep. Can't be schlap city. Here we go. Do you guys love each other? Of course. Yeah, big time.

Yeah, absolutely. Big time. Unbelievable. Take us through your, this is the last question. Okay. Take us through your Spotify rap this year. That's fun. That's a great question.

Now, as we get our phones out, here's the problem with my Spotify wrapped. Mine is... We're Apple Music guys. I'm really an Apple Music guy when I'm like going to listen to something. Yes. My Sonos system is hooked up through Spotify. So when I ask the Amazon lady to play me X, Y, and Z, It's mostly ambient shit through Spotify.

So my Spotify rap gets a little fucky. What was your top five? My top five artists or songs? Artists. Stan Gets. That's when I clean the apartment. I say, Alexa, play some jazz. Brian Eno, that is when I say Alexa play some ambient.

Crowbar. McGee. That's when you just go, Alexa. Yeah. And after that is McGee, which is hilarious because I listen to one song. Oh, wow. One song.

And then number five, Marty Robbins. And what's funny about Marty Robbins, it's the ballad, the outlaw gunslingers ballads or whatever. That is just when Harmsway is on tour. Because that's like a really good way to start a drive, a night drive. And that's it. That's just you tour it a lot this year. I toured a lot this year. What are your top five?

My top five. Number five is post animal. Oh, I went opposite direction, but yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, new record, Iron out now. Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic.

Fantastic. Lady Gaga, number four, mayhem. Dominated the first half in the year for me. Oh, oh. The Gaga record. The album. Deaths crush. Into another number three.

Wow. Good for you. That's a perpetual addiction for me. Good for you. If I pop, I don't stop. You know? Yeah. If I listen to it into another for a day, it's a week.

Gotcha. It's dangerous. It's a dangerous drug for me. Number two is Morrissey. Wow. Which is normal. Yeah. But the live at Earl's Court going up on Spotify this year.

Really put the numbers up. Really was like, that kept me sustained. And then Jade was number one. Right. Fuck, you were obsessed with that. Obsessed, man. That, I mean, I walked all over London for. a week. Literally walked

30, 40 miles a day sometimes. Wow. To the five songs that she had released at the time. Go to... What's your listening age? What's yours, Colin? 52. 83.

83? It was 83, man. You decrepit old bastard. 83 is crazy. But yeah, I mean, this track. 52 definitely track. Eno and Stan Gets. Dude, that's old.

I just put on random ambient playlists and it kind of fucks with all my shit. I really do not use Spotify that often. I don't. I'm really an Apple Music guy. I don't use it the way that wrapped is intended. Right. Yeah. Where it's like all my list, this is me.

Yeah. You know, no. I don't know. This is an Apple Music show. And that's our show, guys. That's it. 2025 was such a fantastic year. a great year. It was a good year. I mean, this is our best year yet, just in terms of, like,

everything. Yeah. And it feels like next year is already shaping up to match, if not go better. We got some shit. We got some shit in the books already. Yeah. Yeah, thank you guys so much for the support this year. It was unbelievable. Some of our biggest episodes, some of our best episodes. Yeah. We launched the new channel six months ago. So you guys are the best. And if you're if you're not a Patreon member yet, join there. We're going to be given away an item a month.

We, God, I want to go, I want to tell this saga. I shipped out the guitar that we gave away today. Sweetwater was kind enough to present us with a Gibson, Les Paul Studio, a thousand dollar guitar for free. Cameron Wood. We picked a random Patreon subscriber. Well, you do. You didn't. I mean, we did this for real. Yeah, this was for real. Where there was no, I put, I exported every name that is a paying or other, every name actually that is a member of our patron. From the U.S.

From the U.S. Yes. That's, that was the caveat. From the U.S. Canada, anywhere else, not included. It's just so insane. Hit randomized on this page I found, did the whole thing. And we got Cameron Wood. I hope he doesn't mind me saying he's a, he's a work. man, it seems in Central America. Not Central America, but the Central United States and just, you know, I hope, I don't know if he plays guitar. I don't know, but it doesn't matter. It's his. I love that he didn't know

about the giveaway. Yeah, we contacted, we emailed him. He's like, oh, I didn't even know. This is amazing. It's like good. He's just been, he's like a 10-month subscriber or something. It's fantastic. 15-month, actually. Would have been happy if whoever it went to. Of course, but it felt good to go to to someone who wasn't, I don't know,

I was just very, very satisfied with it. But real quick, I went into the UPS store last week. And I got a, I got a couple gals there who have worked there forever since I've been in that neighborhood. I bring them Dunkin' Donuts gift cards every year for Christmas because they're like the best. And I asked the one, hey, I got to ship this guitar, it's about this big, you think it's better? Should I just go to the post office? And she's like, honestly, yeah, like, not a whole lot we can help you out with. Which is so kind.

Yeah, and I was like, okay, cool, I'll just do that. Went to the post office today. For anybody listening, it's the Roberto Clemente Post Office on California Avenue at Fullerton. Lost my mind. The lady was just terrible to me. But she tried to charge $253 to ship this guitar. It's come back. $253.

So I said, no, thank you. I went to UPS. It was $120. It's the union, dude. I don't know. The UPS are they're heroes, man. I don't know what's going on with USPS in this country. I got a thing going on right now.

You got it. I sold my 4090 on eBay. Okay. Shipped it the next day. Beautiful. They attempt to re-deliver it to me. What? I'm looking at the tracking and it says attempted delivery in Van Nuys.

And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Then I get another, then I get another notification. Uh-huh. package seized by postal inspection services. Is it because of the tariff shit? I don't know. I'm shipping it to Delaware. The fucking USPS thinks I've sent the bomb in this goddamn package,

and they've stolen it for me and won't give me any info. I mean this with all due respect. Why did you do USPS? Well, I did it through eBay, and that was like the recommended, automatically generated thing. Same. I just sold something to. It was the same.

You know? It's the first thing that comes up. And I tried to reach, I was like, okay, maybe I should change this and regenerate something else. But it's like, oh, in order to do that, you have to pay for shipping again. You know, $60 to change anything. Oh, my God. USPS is in the gutter. Dude. It's in the trash.

And you know what? If you're a mailman, male lady out there, you're the best. You're the best. We're not talking about you. We're not talking about you. We're never talking about you. Nothing but love and respect to you The carriers

Keep this country going Straight up But anybody who goes to an inner city post office Knows exactly what I'm talking about At a terrible day today They want to fuck you And then the postal inspection service If you're listening

Call me dude I'm waiting for a call What's going on with this package This poor guy is so patient If I was the guy who bought this thing Dude I'd be killing me Did you like message him?

Every day I'm like, brother. Hey, man, yeah. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. It's been seized. They want me dead. Because you know he thinks like you're scamming.

I'm scamming it. Yeah, of course. I'm about sending my Instagram. You know? Like, dude, I'm a real guy. I'm real. I'm not fucking you. Yeah.

I swear, I'm a normal dude. I will, I'll make it right. Anyway, that's our post office rant. It's down with the post office. Down with the post office. All due respect to FedEx, UPS. You guys are good. I back the brown and gold, dude.

100%. 100%. We love you all. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for the year. The best of 2025 is up next week. So you're going to watch the annual compilation episode of all our favorite moments from the year.

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