HardLore - FYA Fest 2024 (With Bob Wilson)

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Starting point is 00:00:46 100% hardcore kid. 100% hardcore kid winning an Emmy. Beautiful thing to see. Now let's roll this episode. What's your name? Where you from? Morgan. I'm from Tampa Florida. Tampa Florida. A local. Let me ask you something. This is really important. All right. What's your favorite thing? Hardcore.

Starting point is 00:01:24 Okay. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Door Time. How are you, Bo? I'm doing very well. How are you? Fantastic. He's freezing in Chicago.

Starting point is 00:01:35 I'm burning in California. You're all learning all about FYA Fest in this amazing episode we have because this is very special. Why is it special, though? never done anything like this before. I think have we had a um like a fest organizer on before? We had Martine on to talk about a fest beforehand, but yeah, amongst many other things too. Yes, but now we've got the man himself on to talk all about his handiwork. Please, everyone, welcome. Our good friend Bob Wilson, the fifth of Mother of Mercy, let down. Malice at the Pallas at the and currently known as the creator of FYA Festival.

Starting point is 00:02:26 Bob, how are you? I'm good. I'm actually the fourth. No, no. We don't got to get into all that. But it was a good attempt for Garland. There is a Robert Taylor Wilson, the fifth, that's in hardcore that... Really?

Starting point is 00:02:42 What? Your son? I thought it was somebody fuck with me for a while, and I was hitting him up. I was like, what's the fucking deal, man? And he's like kind of had a whole conversation about it. But he is actually just the fifth. So he's probably sent back in time to kill me or something like that. Wait.

Starting point is 00:02:56 Yeah. Yeah. This is a looper scenario. Yeah, it's fucked up. You know, this is unrelated to you? I've never, until FAA started, honestly. I didn't know him. And then, like, ordered a ticket or something.

Starting point is 00:03:11 And then, you know, I bet the guy. You are in confrontational Bob came back out. Yeah. what's the fucking deal? Of course. I always just think somebody's fuckling me. It's like, yeah, why you steal my name? Are you trying to make a joke? But he's a good dude. I got no issue. All right. Well, if he's out there, congratulations on being

Starting point is 00:03:30 the real fifth. We've got the fourth here with us, I guess. Bob, this is exciting. Because we get to talk about this amazing fest that you put together that we both played this year, that we've both played before, that we've both attended before. It's still going. It's still

Starting point is 00:03:46 strong. It's better than ever. Is this your favorite FYA yet? Yeah, I think so. Everyone, there's always, you know, stuff that is like my favorite afterwards. But I think as a whole, I think this is, you know, just even just going by like band set-wise and everything. I think this is just the best one all the way through. So I'm pretty like 10 years in to, you know, not just be downgrading or on like the

Starting point is 00:04:10 downhill slope or anything. Yeah. I was, I said a couple times over the weekend that I think it's the vibe-wise is, the closest one to what United Blood was for a long time. And United Blood was my favorite fest for a very long time. And there's kind of that, Colin, you describe it really well with it being so early in the year. Oh, dude, you start the year. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:35 You kind of, you tell people. You make the tastes. Yeah, here's, here's what, it's the overture for the year. Yeah. I mean, that's, I like that aspect of it because, you know, it gets bands that I want to put over on, like, good shows. tours, records coming out, get asked to play other fest, you know what I mean? So if that's my role in things,

Starting point is 00:04:54 I'm more than happy to be doing that, you know? It's a good role. It's an important role. It's funny. It's the only warm place in the world on January 6th. Yeah. Were you excited to celebrate January 6th in Tampa, Bob?

Starting point is 00:05:06 Yeah, no better place to celebrate outside of one other place. So it was nice. Our, one of our nation's funniest holidays. Yeah. Yeah, man. FYA rocks. I'm going to get the one criticism out of the way.

Starting point is 00:05:21 Okay, Bob, we're going to get this out of the way real early. Go right ahead. All right. I think I'm still, I've got to get hydrated here because I think I've been dehydrated

Starting point is 00:05:33 for about two weeks since FYA. But you're working on that. It's fine. Let's get into the fest here. Bob, when did it start? 2013, me and Samtribble B

Starting point is 00:05:45 started planning it in like August, probably announced it in October. something like that. It was a really quick turnaround. Was that at the old place more in Yibor? Dude, that was in Orlando at the fucking back booth, which is insane to think about now. Yeah. We played there together. RIPE, the back booth? I think it still exists. I'm honestly not sure. But as far as I know, it still does. But I mean, it's like a fucking 300 cap spot. That's the funny thing about the United Blood comparison is that like United Blood was always great.

Starting point is 00:06:17 And it kind of, it started the year, much like FAA, it was early. True. But that's like a, it was like a six or 700 cap. Yeah, right. I was going to say five or six. Yeah. That's a venue, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Yeah. Whereas this, how many, um, a quick spoiler. How many in attendance this year, Bob? Um, the venue says the capacity is, um, 875. So legally, I'm going to say that's what it is. But, um, it might be a lot more. in 11 short years like tripling you know the amount of people yeah steadily steadily steadily steadily steadily quote unquote there is a note it must not

Starting point is 00:06:57 have been sold out last year because there was a noticeable difference between last year and this year i'll tell you that much dude it was the same exact i don't know what it is i think this is just the first year that nobody like bail on the fest or i don't know what the fuck's going on i like even like bots and shit like i was checking in people and they're like 10 people who got scam by bots so I was just like whatever like I'm not gonna like tell you to fucking go home or whatever so I think yeah I just I do the same amount of tickets every year so I don't know what the hell like literally from like 3 p.m. on this year was like headliner level packed so yeah yeah I don't know if people were just more like it was shitty out on Saturday somebody's cramined inside or

Starting point is 00:07:34 something like that but yeah I have no idea I also think you sparsed out the bands and you This is like a, I look at the lineup, like the order is pretty dead on. Even from having Belmora open, which we'll talk about Sunday, was great for Sunday because nobody was missing that one. Yeah, but he showed up super early. In general, who is making these calls? Is it a one-man team of Bob Wilson being like, I want these bands? Or do you have a little committee that you consult with? I know Scanlan's the stage manager, and he's the guy.

Starting point is 00:08:13 Is he involved in this process at all? He's involved. Like, I pretty much just sit around. Like, I'll always be open ideas for my friends and people whose opinions I respect. And like, oh, that makes sense. It doesn't make sense. Whatever. Or at least, like, you know, think about, you know, being on the fest, if it works or not.

Starting point is 00:08:31 But so far, I mean, this year, Scanlan, EGH was Scanlan because him and Dejan have been talking and he's like oh yeah I think EGH might be down for a show soon and then so he hit me up he's like yo like if you're down to try to make this happen I was like yeah of course like I'd be stupid not to um but I would say it's like probably like 90% me um just bands that I think are are cool that I want to like bring over or put over like a younger band with a good demo or something I get I do have you know like uh I want to say like a council but like an idiot check group you know my crazy for thinking this would be a good idea like yo is If I do dying fetus, am I a fucking dumb ass or is that actually going to work?

Starting point is 00:09:12 Like, things like that. You know what I mean? So, like, yeah. I mean, I'm not. And that was the talk of the town for weeks. I mean, obviously that fucking worked out. But yeah, I'm not like some weird, like, dude who just thinks that I know better at everybody and everything should be my idea.

Starting point is 00:09:27 Like, I'll definitely bounce ideas off people and listen to what they think. Was the intention of FYA to be kind of this is hardcore South? Like, in terms of what? Just like band wise or like? It's like six months. It's or more. It's, you know, it's in a different location. I know obviously Joe and you work together.

Starting point is 00:09:46 I was just curious if that was like, it's kind of like DX and NWO, Frank. And it's like just two different, two different teams kind of doing a similar thing that is really impactful. I was just curious as how like, hand in, because like we'll get to it. But we talk to Joe. I don't want to spoil the man on the street stuff. But he had a really cool insight into how you, the dynamic kind of is. And I was just curious as to how that started. We're at FYA Fest with festival promoter extraordinaire.

Starting point is 00:10:15 So Bob Wilson has been like my little brother, honestless. And since he's a kid coming up in hardcore, he was special. When he had the opportunity to do this 10 years ago, I was not able to come in there. But to see what he built, especially as he built it in his level, the minute we got the adjacent seat, Bob was like, you got to come up here. So my job at these things is to make sure Bob gets to watch the bands and see his work on Fold in front of him. I'm impressed every year how many new bands he brings, because this is the beginning of the year. So our hardcore year unfolds starting at FYA. 100%. And he almost became

Starting point is 00:10:48 like the tastemaker. And this is the band that's going to be the best this year. Yeah, yeah. It's fantastic. It wasn't really that. I mean, honestly, going back to 2009, I had like wanted to do something. And then I was just like, ah, there's like too many things that cross over with what Joe's doing. That's like disrespectful, whatever. And then so down in Florida, and it wasn't even, like, uh, like I didn't, I don't think, I learned a lot from Joe just in shows and fest wise, you know, from fucking, you know, he started in 2006 with the fest and everything like that. So seeing, you know, what he did and like how he worked on things and how much you put into it and things like that, you know, I think like really helped me, um, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:27 with the, with the fest and show like that. But yeah, it wasn't like, uh, oh, I'm going to do, I'm just going to take what he does and put it in Florida kind of thing. Like honestly, the first couple years at least, at least to me. I wanted to do more of like, I really liked playing this is for You Fest back in the day. Like, I think, did Horace Way play that? I forget. Yeah, we did.

Starting point is 00:11:46 And like, I just, because I was like, oh, Florida's always like a more like, like, you can like, you know, DB cheat, DB shit, posy shit, whatever. Like, so that was my original attention. Like, I remember I, like, tried to get the world burns the death singers other band to play in the first year.

Starting point is 00:12:01 I tried to get like savage heads, like, things like, that are just like different than a normal fest stuff. And then basically all, that side of bands just told me to the flight we told me to fuck myself so i was just like oh well i guess we got to we got to not do that anymore um so it just kind of like morphed into what it is now but yeah it wasn't wasn't ever like i just wanted to do something different than a normal hardcore fest you what i mean so like yeah but yeah this is hardcore in in general i think you know like i learned a lot from joe and everything that he did with his stuff i mean you were there right you were part of it

Starting point is 00:12:33 you were an underling yeah i mean yeah how are you not going to learn yeah i mean i played the fucking first eight like I helped them you know with band idea like you know so obviously that's going to like influence me and then you know obviously like if I had any questions I would like hit him up and whatever so yeah that's awesome because I don't think people really know that I don't really think like you know the people who are putting on these big endeavors like all kind of keep it touch because you guys all have to like know what's what and know who to book and blah blah You know, it's interesting. You know who not to book and whatnot.

Starting point is 00:13:07 Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, too. Like, I try as hard as I can not to. I'm like, oh, Joe's doing this, this is this and this. I know Soundifuri is doing this. I know, you know, tied down is doing this. Like, so I just, my, it doesn't always work out, but I try as hard as I can to not overlap or like, you know, just repeat the same shit that goes on in every other fest.

Starting point is 00:13:27 That's smart. You did a good job. Let's get into Saturday. Yeah. Who opened Saturday? We got Dead Set opening Saturday. Tell us about Dead Set. Dead Set is, so Three Knee Deep was a staple for the fest and definitely was a big part of like growing the fest, I think over the years.

Starting point is 00:13:43 And like, because it became like a thing like, dude, you have to go to Tampa to see Three Knee Deep. Like they're never going to play outside of Florida, basically, whatever. Yeah. And that obviously changed over the years. Also, their music was only listenable while watching them live or watching video them live for a while. Yeah. I mean, people literally just watch the YouTube videos and learn the words through that, which is hilarious. But so and then it became like a thing I was like you know I've done them this many years in a row

Starting point is 00:14:08 I was like and then but then the tie the guitar player he had a new band dead set and then I always want to include them guys and you know I try to put on Tampa band as much as I can in a way that makes sense so yeah I think uh yeah they started off it was like fucking ridiculous so I feel like yeah I mean the dude knows how to write a fucking hardcore song you know what I mean so I think it was a really good way to start the feds battle tested Literally, yeah. I'm glad to see he's still riffed. I mean, last year, when we did Man on the Street, the number one answer, like across the board was three needy.

Starting point is 00:14:41 So it shows. Her favorite Florida. Yeah. Yeah. So something I don't think we have you, we talked about you helping Joe, but you are a Pennsylvania through and through, Bob. Absolutely. How does that end up in you booking the preeminent Florida hardcore festival? When I moved back to Philly a few years ago, probably like 2016 or whatever,

Starting point is 00:15:03 I was like, I asked my Florida, people, you know, we're still friends in Florida. I was like, yo, like, if this is weird for me to still do this, totally fine. Like, I, like, I understand. It's, like, kind of like, I never want to be the fucking, the dude that's like taking up space or, you know, whatever, like, the gentrifier, basically. So I was just like, if this is like a good thing, just fucking tell me. Like, it's totally cool. Yeah. And everybody's like, no, man, like, you obviously help, you know, put over Florida bands and help us all out.

Starting point is 00:15:28 So it's, it's like, you know, you can still do it, obviously. But it definitely doesn't make things easy. Like even shit like booking hotels for bands or like checking out the like going to the venue to meet with security before the fucking day of. Oh yeah. For the same page like scope out. I mean, I never even went to the venue until the first day of the first time I was there. So I was going in. I was like, oh, see how this fucking goes.

Starting point is 00:15:50 So like just like, yeah, I'm an idiot. But yeah, it definitely makes it definitely makes it harder. But I don't know. It somehow works. It adds like many levels to it that wouldn't exist if I just did something here, but, you know, it all works out in the end. Something we were loosely talking about too, Colin was like when there are fests that happen like tied down in Detroit, LDB in Louisville, FYA and Tampa, like how much money is coming in to that area over a random weekend that, you know, it isn't a holiday. Yeah, is Tampa down with FIA? Do they see the

Starting point is 00:16:31 the tourism potential that you've brought in? If they do, they don't show any appreciation to me for it. Like, I mean, I don't know. Like, in theory, like, I do have like, you know, there's like some trucks that hit me up. Like, hey, you know, like, we have a bunch of people to come in when you, when the best happens, is that and the other.

Starting point is 00:16:47 Even like, like the castle, obviously I feel like it's probably kind of packed on usual Friday, Saturday night, but there's like, you know, a thousand fucking kids. Yeah, I've never been, probably never been. Too scary. That's so funny that.

Starting point is 00:17:00 you've never been. That's incredible. I, like, I'm always at the fucking after shows, like, settling with bands and do whatever. So I'm just like, I just go to bed. But I like tried hitting them up. I'm like, hey, like, you know, I know X amount of people go to support your shit. Like if you guys want to work something out, like if you have like a wristband, like five dollars off or you want to work out something, whatever. And they just, no, like, just pretend it don't exist. I'm like, wow. Yeah. Interesting. So all you sick perverts out there going to the castle every time. Yeah. Just know that they've, my man, Bob.

Starting point is 00:17:30 They're not down. Think about that next year. Which I kind of respect, honestly. I feel like that's a pretty, you know, pretty like, oh, we don't want anything to do with you. Like, we're going to keep ourselves. You're keeping that, you're getting them fed once a year, dude. Yeah. It's fine.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Castle, show some fucking respect. You're sick freaks. And you need to show some respect. All right. You got to get black magic pizza out there. Oh, yeah. That's, well, we'll get that. That's what I really, even if it's just there to feed me.

Starting point is 00:17:56 We'll get them. Dimension six was next. tell me about to mention six that's you know we talked about united blood with f way and all that shit and like to me that's a band that opens united blood and then it's just like you know people fucking pile to the ceiling

Starting point is 00:18:11 like it's fucking like dry spell or something like that like and uh so it's like when I first heard the band I was like this is like perfect like the continuation of like naysayer and all them kind of bands and uh I just I just love the demo and I think pretty much as soon as probably a couple weeks afterwards like you know if you guys want to

Starting point is 00:18:27 play the fest like let me know because I think it would be perfect. And then I think a lot of people came away from the weekend if they didn't know them beforehand. I mean, that's just like, it's not a derogatory way at all, just like a straight up hardcore band. And so I think obviously there needs to be more of that. So people getting to see that, I think is a good thing. Absolutely. 100%. And you talk about the United Blood Sound is such a real thing. It is. That's funny. Like the, the way that songs were crafted for a while was like I felt like the bands were like this would do so good at United like this dude United Blood is gonna love this part so I'm glad to see that is

Starting point is 00:19:09 still alive tell me about all for all but Bob they it's just kids from Syracuse that have been grinding for years and they just really put on for their scene and try to make shit happen there and obviously Syracuse says a you know good scene going back 30 fucking years but they're like the new young kids doing everything. And I just kind of, when I see, like, people really putting along for their scene and trying to make shit happen, I, like, if I can give them a place where they can, like, kind of get it back and, you know what I mean, like reciprocate it.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Like, I want to do that as much as I can. And like, like, hey, like Syracuse is popper right now. So, you know, they have deal with God. They have street hassle. They have a bunch of bands. So that was just like the one. I was like, I like, I like the other bands too. But I think all for all is like a good mix with what we got going on.

Starting point is 00:19:56 and everything again. And then, yeah, obviously, you know, the set demonstrated how much love they'd given to other people and then, you know, other people, like, reping for them back, you know. When I was a kid, yeah. In my mind, Syracuse was up there with New York City. Earth Crisis was, it was like Earth Crisis Integrity, Badball were the same size band to me. Yeah. Bob, we played Syracuse together on that Havehart Tour.

Starting point is 00:20:22 I played Syracuse? Yeah, yeah. I went to Syracuse. Was it the Westcott Community Center or something like that? It was on the floor. It was on the floor is all I remember of a big ass, like wooden room. I think it was like a Polish center or like some nationality center, something like that. But I mean, there was fucking, I mean, granted, it's have heart ceremony and blacklisted, so it was packed.

Starting point is 00:20:45 But I mean, it was to my mind, it was like 600 people in like a big ass room, you know. And like so even that recently, it was like 2008 or nine. I remember feeling the same way, Colin, that it was like, just like an episode. Yeah, but you know, as with everything else, there's like three constants like L.A., the Bay, and New York, you know, and then everything else is going to have Evan Flow, you know. Yeah. I'm glad it's Evan and flow. Yeah. Man, are we going to take some breaks to talk about Lettown in this?

Starting point is 00:21:18 We have to. I have to talk about Bob down, not into it. Because Bob, you like, I'm sure. I know that you have to be aware, Bob, that you are like a legendary fucker. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I like, I still see people now and they're like, yo, remember like, you know, whatever situation. I'm like always on guard.

Starting point is 00:21:37 So I'm like, yo, man, like, whatever it is. And they're like, no, no, I'm just saying. Like, it was, I was like, all right. So I just always still, I sort of have like PTSD, I feel like to like just stupid asshole bullshit I did that I'm just like still like, hey man, you're a real dick. I'm just like, oh, I really don't want to fight this to you 15 years later. But it's cool now. I'm like, whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:58 But it's, I mean, it's awesome. When I, your, your acts of little fuckery for me have always brought me such joy to hear. And I hope that it does the same thing for the next generation. You know, look at you now. You're 10 years into FIA after slapping beers onto base heads and stuff. being one of the great modern straight-edged frontmen of our time. I mean, dude, that's like being on the other side of the shit for so long now. I'm just like, I love seeing like chaos and bands play, but like I'm just thinking about like,

Starting point is 00:22:34 dude, if I saw me do the things I'd do like, A, it'll be on one hand psyched on the other hand, I'd be like choking myself out. Like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Like, you're ruining the whole thing. Like, just please stop. On one hand, psyched. Dude, I remember we play. we played together, us and letdown played,

Starting point is 00:22:51 I think it was convicted and let down played in like Akron, Ohio, somewhere in Ohio, just like middle of no, like middle city Ohio. And you jumped off a fucking speaker stack that was so high. And there was like 30 people there. And I just remember being so, so frightened for you.

Starting point is 00:23:11 It was crazy. Yeah, that's like, whenever like my back hurts or like whatever's going on, I'm like, if I was in a super popular band, all that would have been awesome. But I'm just like, just ECW in it, like New Jack shit. Like, like, nobody catching me, just looking like a fucking moron.

Starting point is 00:23:29 I think that's the show too where I told people come up front. And some dude brought his chicken tenders and put it on stage. And I just kicked on like the first song. Just looked at me. He's like, come on, man. I have fucking moved up and you still did this. I didn't say bring your fucking food. Don't put the chicken tenders in the battlefield.

Starting point is 00:23:46 I'm hungry. I'm looking at food I can't eat, it's getting, it's getting booed, I'm sorry. But exactly. The Bob Down, not into it thing, I still have no idea. I feel like that was taken out of context. It had to live in. I'll tell you the exact context because like all of, okay, all right, this is great. So Bridge 9.

Starting point is 00:24:05 I don't remember if it was, I think it was probably the first LP was reality approaches when the band kind of like sonically changed. And it was just a thread about the record. on Bridge 9. To the completely uninitiated. Yes. Before Twitter, before Discord, before anything, the Bridge 9 Records message board was like the worldwide hub of the conversation about hardcore.

Starting point is 00:24:32 Yeah. And like, what we're doing now, talking about FYA and a show. Yeah. Did not exist. Everybody talked about it in a thread about it later. A bunch of people got beat up. It was awesome. Message by message.

Starting point is 00:24:46 too. It's something that people can't even. Can you believe Bob? Yeah. Kill that guy when he jumped off the speaker. But your handle was like Bob X down or something. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. And just in the thread.

Starting point is 00:25:02 And you know, you would go to these things. I spent two years of high school only on Bridge 9. That's like all I did. So you would learn names and people would become like little micro celebrities in my high school brain and you would remember names, blah, blah, blah. and it just said, it said, Bob X down, not into it.

Starting point is 00:25:21 No caps. No punctuation, just not into it. So then, like, amongst, like, like, caution and, like, the original harm's weight group, like the original lineup, it just, you just became Bob Down, not into it. And it wasn't, it was never like, like, a fuck or like, we were pissed or anything. It was just like, again, just like, it was a point in time when you could like, like, now it's a bit of a faux paw to be like, oh, that band sucks. Or to be like, I really don't like this.

Starting point is 00:25:48 Like on the internet, it's like... Yeah, that's only on crate. Only on crate can you get away with this. Yeah, you can't really, you know? So at the time, it was just different. And it was just like, huh, he's just not into it. You know, it was just like a thing. And you've been Bob, I think you're Bob down, not into it on my phone.

Starting point is 00:26:05 You've been in this forever. You hate Harm's Way, Bob? No, that's the weird. That's why I'm confused because I liked Harm's Way. So I, maybe I'd be like a douchebag, but like, shockily. on purpose, but like, I have no, I have no excuse for it. I don't know. I didn't even have a computer, so I was definitely all my friends computer on the message

Starting point is 00:26:25 board, do it like, I don't fucking know, man. How old are you? I'm 38. 38. Okay, so two years older than me. I mean, that makes sense. We were probably all doing this. And then Colin, you're like three or four years younger than me.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Yeah. So we're all just doing the same thing all around the same time. Yeah. Just trying. Posting at school. What doesn't line up is I feel like Bob would be so pro harm's way. Being a hard straight-edge man that sounded the way that you did, I would imagine Bob would have been your first fan.

Starting point is 00:26:57 You got to remember that from the- He was in full fucker mode 100%. He loved it and he still said not in it. That plus like from demo and the two song seven inch to the and imprisoned into reality approaches, there was like a change. Like we recorded at bricktop so it sounded like way more. produced, you know, it's a full length, which is kind of hard to pull off, is that kind of

Starting point is 00:27:20 blah blah, blah. It was different. Yeah. It was just different. But wasn't the first, it was Monday's on the first thing? Milit Monday's on the demo, yeah. Okay, maybe that's why I was pissed off. I was like, oh, now they sound like a real band or something. I don't know it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's, that is like that we got that feedback a bunch, you know. It wasn't like

Starting point is 00:27:41 a one-off thing. It was just funny knowing this guy and then eventually touring together a little bit. It's just funny. Anyway, legendary fucker, Bob Wilson. One of the great, the general and the little fucker army for forever. Hold My Own is up next. Friends of the show. Friends of the Bo.

Starting point is 00:28:00 I just went to their record release show two nights ago here in Chicago. How great? Sold out. It was fucking crazy. It was Bulldoze, Volcano, Hold My Own, Bayway, out of pocket andervate and then a band that opened

Starting point is 00:28:16 who I apologize I'm forgetting it was amazing yeah the videos look good Bob I know you'll agree with this like the youth

Starting point is 00:28:23 are out in droves for hardcore right now like oh absolutely yeah so many young people so many new faces like I went to this show that God

Starting point is 00:28:33 right up the street from where I live you know very much like aware of all the bands playing and blah blah and like not too many faces that I recognized

Starting point is 00:28:41 you know I think is like awesome. It's a good thing. It's a really good thing. This genre is for people under 20 years old. Jesus. We're not going to be here forever. We're not supposed to be here forever.

Starting point is 00:28:57 Yeah. So I love to say the median age of a new hardcore kid like three or four years ago was like 25. It was brutal. It was brutal, dude. It was terrifying because it was like, where did you come from? What did you have before this? right why right why do you want this how now the kids are here yeah now it's 19 we need yep

Starting point is 00:29:18 oh my own yeah fantastic man we wish we wish them the best yeah Greg's been busting his ass I mean there's no reason they play more than I don't understand the amount of shows they fucking play considering they're all over to fucking country and Greg has like a real ass job obviously so yeah just I was I was like to uh that was probably the best I've seen him play I mean the videos and record we show was awesome the other night so They're, they're catching on and kids are super into it. And it's cool. Yeah, I was going to bring up Greg.

Starting point is 00:29:47 It's cool tying back into the This Is For You thing. Like, Mongoloids, I remember having, like, one of the best sets at This is for You the year that we play. So it's like, it's crazy to think, like, that long ago. And he's still, and you know what's cool, dude, Colin, which I know had an impression on you. He still does little melodic flares and does little, like, trills and stuff. And, like, that's fucking, like, that's what. made me like mongaloids back in the day. Like I still love that stuff. So it's so well, he's also a five star general in the little fucker.

Starting point is 00:30:23 An all time bastard in terms of just like being a straight-edged front man that was going to let you know. Yeah. I'm a day one, Greg guy. Dude, I have to tell a Greg story. I have to hit me. So this is for you. It was the first day of this tour, our first real, Wade tour. And the Mongoloids plays they're like doing kind of like a noisy intro kind of a thing. Greg has his back to the audience and he like is crouching in front of the drums.

Starting point is 00:30:52 He stands up and he's got 2000, I think it it was 2009 New Year's flashing sunglasses sunglasses on because it was turning to 2009 right? And he just turns around and like no sells it and he's just like starts the set yelling

Starting point is 00:31:07 with these flashing things. Dude, exactly. Exactly. literally that. So then the tour. And I would have been like, yeah. Yeah, I am. I'm feeling you. So then the tour goes on.

Starting point is 00:31:19 It was like a month. So it was like, you know, maybe three and a half weeks later. We're ending at in Clinton, Massachusetts, where we, I met Colin of Arabia that night, which is another full circle moment. And Mongloids happens to be playing that show too. So they played the first show of our tour and the last show of that tour. They start with the noisy intro. Greg's got his back to the to the crowd, is facing the truck. he stands up it's like January 15th at this point

Starting point is 00:31:46 they're still on they're on and they're flashing and it was just like it was just like fuck like that that little the little bits of humor like it it made an impression you know loved it fucker absolute fucker big fan Burning Lord wasn't the homie from isn't the homie from blistered in it oh lenin was filling in for him's yeah yeah and he's Philly now so but yeah but um you go.

Starting point is 00:32:15 Yeah, they're awesome. The record's coming out soon. So it's just one of those things where, like, I love the band. And I thought that if they played in front of a bunch of people, people come away. Like, what the fuck was that? And I mean, for, yeah, they played a few songs off the new record that people haven't even heard yet, I don't think. And yeah, it was just, it was awesome. Who else was in the band?

Starting point is 00:32:38 Yeah, it's like half of C4, a bunch of other bands, like Banishpoint, I think. You just like Boston people. They rock. Love the, love the vibe. Love the name. It's very, uh,

Starting point is 00:32:48 Japanese. You know? Just sound like a band. They'll be on like, like, yeah. So I fucking, I love it.

Starting point is 00:32:56 Yeah. Or just like a, like a burning spirits type. That's a yeah. Because it's just two, two awesome words next to each other. Out of pocket was up next. Bay Area.

Starting point is 00:33:09 Hardcore. I'm Joseph Giot. Joseph Giot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What was your favorite set yesterday? Yesterday, well, I think it was either out-of-pocket or New World, man.

Starting point is 00:33:18 My friends, he got kicked in the face and fractured three parts on his skull. Okay. But he's okay. Don't worry. He's going for four next year. He's going for four. Playing in Tampa. I love to see them continuing.

Starting point is 00:33:31 They lost. Chris from Out-of-Pocket passed away recently, and they're still rocking. So it was very cool to see. It was cool to see the Bay Area people. in the pit for this one. Tell me about booking out of pocket, Bob. Yeah, they, the bay rolls out super hard every year for FAA

Starting point is 00:33:51 and I just really love what they got going on now. And, yeah, out-pocket played Philly. They came through on tour and I was like, I wanted the band from out there and I was trying to figure out, like, what I want to do. And then I was like, I'll see them live and see how I feel about it. And they fucking crush it here. And then as soon as they're done,

Starting point is 00:34:07 I was like, you guys can play FAA and just like, let me know. And, uh, that's awesome. Yeah, they just not like, it wasn't like, a fucking a tryout or something like that. But I was like, if they're as good as I think they are, like, I'm going to ask them as soon as I'm playing. And they're all like, yeah, like, and they're all just young kids that are psyched

Starting point is 00:34:23 on hardcore. Like, I feel like we could ask them to come fly out on a Tuesday night to play like a 50 cast spot. I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah, it. It would be there next week, like, whatever. So they're like super psyched on hardcore. And then, yeah, their set was like crazy. The, uh, it was really good. Yeah. The singer was saying, I guess

Starting point is 00:34:39 when they started, it was like a bucket listing for them to play the fest and like uh the kid that passed i guess he was like yo just like awesome that like you know it's horrible that he fucking passed away but like even him knowing that they got asked to play before all that happened like made him happy you know what i mean and like i just like that fuck me off when he said that the after show is like god damn but uh yeah i just think uh they're gonna get they're just gonna get on keep on getting bigger and they're i love those kids are sick it's amazing they're awesome um there's there's a magic

Starting point is 00:35:13 Something magic in the water in the bay right now. The whole world can feel it. RIP, Chris, out of pocket doing it. We got Warren up next. P-Fucking A-H-C, baby. Tell me about Warren. They just, I first was into them because they just sound like, think I care. And like off the bat, I was like fucking down.

Starting point is 00:35:36 And the kid Dan's been around forever. And yeah, I just, I was like, I wanted them to play last year. It kind of felt like, I was like, I'll see if they get new shit. And they put out two records this year. Both are awesome. Yeah, I mean, it was like, all right. But, uh, yeah, they just, Grant and Wilkesburg? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:53 Although Dan did move to another one that moved to Philly. So we're claiming them now. So we're eating up all the, uh, the SWB bands. Um, yeah, they're just, they're hard as fuck. Um, yeah, their set was great. They did a war hungry little interlude. So yeah, guys, nice. Can't go wrong with that.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Beautiful. Good job, Warren. Envision. One of the great memes of the fest so far. Oh, my. Well, what is it? Am I unfamiliar?

Starting point is 00:36:23 It's the one, it's like a big sing-along picture and there's just a guy like dead on the floor. Just face down, arms at his fucking sides. It's so good, dude. It's a perfect picture.

Starting point is 00:36:36 This pick is what hardcore is all about, dude. Your enemies beneath you, while you're arm and arm with your boys singing relatable words. I believe he's in a band called X threat from Syracuse, actually. So hope he survived

Starting point is 00:36:54 because the band's good. Well, all for all is holding it down for Syracuse. Sadly, they lost a warrior in the envision of battle. He'll be back. He'll be back because this is God. This is legendary. And now he's immortalized all over again in this episode. Unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:37:11 I mean, when you hear the guitar solo is kicking in for a vision and the sing-along starts, there's not many options. You're dead man. I got to lay down. It's so good. Here it is again. All right. New World Man was up next.

Starting point is 00:37:32 Bob, you know how I mean, everybody knows how I feel about New World Man at this point. Bob, I'm sure you agree, considering they opened last year. And here they are midday. They ain't opening this year. Yeah, they, uh... Tell me about a new world man, Bob. I love the first thing and then the newer thing. Like, I just, I don't understand.

Starting point is 00:37:50 It's the craziest band I've ever heard in my life, I think. Like, they have primus parts into just like force entry parts. And it's the whole fucking thing is just psychotic. And it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and then Ridge is the perfect frontman for, for how insane the music is. He might be my favorite modern hardcore musician. What? They did that. that they did the

Starting point is 00:38:11 SOD intro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome. That was awesome. Yeah, I think this is my favorite band playing music period right now. Like any genre. And this was beautiful. Had a great time.

Starting point is 00:38:29 So once Oasis reunites, it'll be Oasis, New World Man. I might even put New World Man over there. Depending on how the LP is, you know. Once the LP drops, it might be game. over for everybody else. A lot of pressure. Like I said in the award show, I like them so much that I'm scared for them. You know?

Starting point is 00:38:48 Oh, sure. Because most things I like don't get that popular, you know? Or things I think are dog shit are huge. Right. So it's, yeah, it's, I'm hoping that I'm right this time. Yeah. It's like the craziest backhanded compliment. It is.

Starting point is 00:39:07 Like, I love you. Therefore, I'm scared. I fear for you. I love you guys so much, but I also love Primus, so I'm sorry. Yeah, I love Primus.

Starting point is 00:39:14 Yeah. But they're, you know, they're pretty, they're pretty big. They're rich. Yeah. They're rich.

Starting point is 00:39:19 So I hope New World Man gets as rich as Primus. New World Man Primus, the two greats. Scarab up next. Our best, uh, new band of 20203 award winner. Tell me about booking Scarab,

Starting point is 00:39:34 Bob, putting them fucking 60% through the day. Hell of a. You're putting them over. Yeah, I mean, that's them yinzers over. That's a, that's, again, you talk about like learning from Joe. Like, I remember one year he put up, for some obviously reason, you put let down like fifth to last and like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? And he's just like, no, these motherfuckers got to know that like, let down, blah, whatever.

Starting point is 00:39:57 So I was just like, he kind of taught me the art of like, hey, man, you position a band in a certain way on a bill. It's going to make people be like, oh, shit. And like, that's obviously the one for them because I want them to be the biggest bands. in hardcore like period so um yeah like i think even when lennon sent me the songs or moly sent me the songs originally i was like yo let me do a record and then i was like yeah you guys are playing f way too like it wasn't even like a fucking conversation like i was like i know people gonna love this i love this i don't give a shit and then uh so yeah and then like you know after their first show even i was just like dude if i put them like halfway through the day when everybody's there

Starting point is 00:40:33 like it's gonna pop the fuck off and yeah like that set was they're just the best man it's It's like fucking crazy. Yeah. Best new band of 20203. You heard it here many times. And it's like why, if you're a festival promoter, you know,

Starting point is 00:40:48 why would you not use the, this ounce of power that you've given yourself to psychologically teach the world that this is the next big thing. Yeah. Rainfest did it every year. They had a North, they had power headline that motherfucker every year.

Starting point is 00:41:05 And it was insane. It was like terror, Power, Andrew WK. Scarab, Scarab is next. We're teaching the world. Scarab rocks. Dude, there is a, speaking of Rainfest really quick, I just found recently there's an excellent video, multicam video, and it sounds like soundboard audio of Badseed playing at Rainfest, 2009 or 10. I got my shit rocked during that set.

Starting point is 00:41:30 The amount of familiar faces in the pit is actually crazy. It's wild. It's an all-star roster, dude. It's wild. It's an Olympic team in that pit. Champ is playing drums. Save is playing guitar and then the rest of the title fight. It's amazing.

Starting point is 00:41:44 Yeah. Check that one up. Who was next? I don't remember it. I think that was the worst pit injury I've ever had is getting rocked during Batsy. Bonked. It was Jared Carmen. Division of mind is up next.

Starting point is 00:42:01 They're back for blood. I got a new record coming. Hopefully this year. Yeah, they haven't played in a few years. So I was just like, I mean, I love them. So I think people, it's been a minute since people. They haven't played since the Cuban Club year. So I was just psyched that they came back and then people still remember them and people went off the new songs.

Starting point is 00:42:22 Before we talk about the Cuban club, let me just say, Division of Mind, Richmond, Mount Rushmore. Oh, absolutely. Very nice. Period. Is Castleside on there? Cassicide's 100% on that. DTN has to be on it. Of course.

Starting point is 00:42:38 I think DTN did for Richmond what Backtrack did for Long Island. Dude, well said. Very well said. Brace War kind of did that too. But a veil, you know, there's a veil and there's brace war and then there's like a couple conversations you can have. Naysayer toured a lot.

Starting point is 00:42:55 Naysayer did a lot. I would have to say brace war. A band from Richmond coming out of the gate and playing Santa Fury like 10 years in a row. Yeah. Pretty big feet. Yeah, pretty. And it's like, it's braces. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:43:09 It's like the guy. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah, I agree with that. What's yours? Bob, I'm curious what you're Richmond moment. Fuck. Count me out. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:24 I forget they're from Richmond to every time. Yeah. Shit. Probably naysayer. I love naysayer. I would like watch them every day of the week if I could. Friends of the show. I'll throw a bar fight on there

Starting point is 00:43:38 Does Good answer Honestly you have to throw I probably agree with the BT under brace I don't fucking know They both like Every band that comes from Richmond

Starting point is 00:43:51 It's like blacklisted from Philly But no younger bands ever really Like wanted to try to be blacklisted Or like if they did They fucking failed miserably But like Richmond I feel like every band Just looks up to them and reveres them so much

Starting point is 00:44:05 Like you have to me, it's just like a tie, I guess, DTN embrace war like they are. You think of Richmond Hark where you think of both those bands, yeah. Yeah, 100%. Big time. Also, any of the edge breaks that occurred between those two bands were so, the ripple effect that had on the hardcore in that city is like ongoing to the stage. That's how you know those two, those bands meant something.

Starting point is 00:44:33 Yeah. How many years was it at the Cuban club? was it just the one? I think it was just the one. Yeah, and then it was going to be the next year. And then I was about to fly down to Florida the next day. And they told me I did not, in fact, have the permission to do the test there. So that's why it was at Orfeel now here again.

Starting point is 00:44:54 Wow. So the Cuban club, that was the one that was, it was like right around the corner from the Scientology spot. Right. Yeah. So that one, for anybody remembers from the Harm's Way episode, that was the one where Nick was green. Oh, he's green? He slept in a rental car for about 10 hours during the day.

Starting point is 00:45:15 That's awesome. While the fest was going on. I liked that venue, but obviously it didn't work out very well. The venue was great. That was like my favorite, like, because for years it was just an orphium and I was, I was thankful to have it there, but the fucking stage sucked ass. So I was like, oh, finally. That's tall stage one with the chickens outside?

Starting point is 00:45:35 Yes, like city garden was level eight foot. fucking, like, risk your life to fucking jump off of. That thing was terrifying. So I was like, oh, people can actually die finally. And then the only good thing that came out of that was killing chain of strength because they played in front of like 25 people. I didn't, I didn't know if you would want to talk about that. He said it.

Starting point is 00:45:57 Fuck them. I don't give a shit. I like a couple people in the band, but I don't give a shit. Yeah, they, like, were such babies the whole time. and then they're at the bar trying to pick up girls to come to the show. Everything about it was pathetic. And then so then getting their karma by playing in front of 25 people in a packed room after Earth crisis, the real straight is being smoked them.

Starting point is 00:46:21 I'm all about that. I don't give a fuck. I'm good. They haven't played since. Oh, is that true? They haven't played since? No, one of my favorite beings on Earth. Sometimes it's a mercy killing.

Starting point is 00:46:32 I can love your discography, but. Yeah, yeah. It is, man. Yeah, the, the picture was pretty. Oh, the picture crashing up every fucking time. Here it is. Yeah. Boy.

Starting point is 00:46:47 Yeah, Earth Crisis rules, right? Yeah. Earth Crisis rocks. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not, you know, it is what it is. Good job, Bob. You did good. You did good, kid.

Starting point is 00:47:02 This episode's awesome. Regulate. up next. Before we get to regulate and before we get to before we get away from Virginia I don't think I've ever shouted them out on this show before but dead and dreaming

Starting point is 00:47:18 is probably one of my favorite bands of the last 15 years. So if you're listening to this and you want to hear a new thing that you like listen to dead and dreaming. How do you feel about dead and dreaming, Bob? They are fucked up. That's like actual insane music.

Starting point is 00:47:35 like in a positive way. Like they, when they put out the, I mean, it was like, maybe just like a new promo or something I get. I didn't even know how long ago was this point. Like I liked everything up until then.

Starting point is 00:47:46 And then I was like, dude, what the, this is like crazy sounding. I think they're, the line. I believe so. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:52 They're just, yeah. There's a minute. I would say they're a big thing. And then people kind of forgot about them, but they're fucking great. Well, this is what I'm talking about with the new world man thing.

Starting point is 00:48:03 Where I say I like them so much that, like, of course it didn't work. Because they were operating on this level that I was like me, I can, I can process these songs and go, this is fucking crazy. Yeah. But the average,

Starting point is 00:48:16 like the consumer's mind. Yeah, you got to fuck it's too crazy. You got a fucking up brain. So it works for you. It's fucked. So fucked up stuff. Right.

Starting point is 00:48:24 Right. That makes sense. Then dreaming. I would say they're like the disgrace of, of that whole region. Gotcha. Yeah. Where it's just like,

Starting point is 00:48:35 fucked up guys writing fucked up stuff. Bob, what are you, what are you sipping on over there? You know, just, uh, Dr. Pepper heavy? Yeah. Heavy as hell, dude. The heaviest one I've seen.

Starting point is 00:48:48 All right, regulate. I love, you're keeping, you're keeping Dr. Pepper a lot, Bob. I'm really, I'm really happy about that. I'm proud of you. You've been right there with me, day one. It's, so the, I don't know if this is like,

Starting point is 00:49:00 uh, where you live too, but, um, Dr. Pepper is out of stock a lot. in the area now, like since COVID. It would be, it was like a whole thing and like, oh, like, you know, no delivery today. And I felt insane, like going to like multiple gas stations or wah-was trying to just get a fucking Dr. Pepper. So I don't know what's going on, but I don't know if we got to open up more factories or do something. But it's just, it's becoming a fucking problem.

Starting point is 00:49:25 The supply chain is still fucked up. Absolutely. I'll go to. I don't want to reveal too much. But I have gone to. In the last six months, I've texted people like, oh, on. the third one. We'll see if this one has them. They need to step their shit up.

Starting point is 00:49:39 It's the only thing. They're all here. Yeah, we got plenty. We're plenty of, it's plentiful. Plentiful doctors. Dude, I've made a, like, wine. I've made a change recently. I've made a change to the mini. I've made a change to the mini cans recently.

Starting point is 00:49:53 That's what I keep in the fridge. I like the mini cans. Really? Full heavy miniccan or no, no, diet, diet. Do you like the zero, Bob? No, absolutely not. I only, I don't like the chair. vanilla John. I don't like the diet. I just need the red.

Starting point is 00:50:08 There's 23 flavors. Wait, you didn't like the Dr. Pepper Cream Soda one? Fuck now. Dude, it was incredible. I know I'm in the minority. It's just not for me. That's one of the great sodas of our time. You're steadfast. You know, that's what Jasa's been singing about for a year.

Starting point is 00:50:23 You're living the, you live the Jostah mentality. Thank God. All right. Let's talk about our good friends regulate here. Other people that live the Jostah mentality and the lifestyle. This was maybe the all-time great regulates set, I would say. Yeah, I mean, dude, they had to play. They played this, the second one thing was the last one they played and the lights went off halfway through like a district nine cover, I think. And that was like, the only reason I remember that is because the first few ones, there's like not that much

Starting point is 00:50:54 memorable things. And I remember that happening. But, uh, that was definitely John Lopez in the back of the room just turning the lights up. That's a very good possibility, honestly. I would bet, I would bet, I would bet my life on it. Yeah, this is the loudest, the loudest 48 sing-along of all time. This was great. I'm a big, big fan. Yeah. Love the record.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Love seeing them. One of the great modern frontman. I think we could all probably be. Oh, yeah. Seb is unbelievable. I mean, dude, him and body being the same band is like not even cracked. Two of the best divers, moshers, front men, like, it's six. It's fucking crazy.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Yeah, Seb has gotten injured, I think, every FLA for the last like four. And so I was glad he's actually able to play and not hurt himself. So I made me heavy. He's a pain pig,

Starting point is 00:51:45 dude. He's an addict. She's sick. He's addicted to suffering. He loves it. But, man, thank God for that. Because he gives it all every time.

Starting point is 00:51:56 He's basically Michael Jackson, if Michael Jackson could spin kick. I mean, that's what I told him. I was like, you can dance like Michael Jackson, but he can't mosh like you. So you got to be better. Damn.

Starting point is 00:52:07 100%. Well. There's one of the. Period. Regulate. Gridiron is up next. The pride of, uh, oh, by the way, you doing okay? It was a rough, uh, it was a rough night for everybody involved.

Starting point is 00:52:24 And then, uh, people got to just sit back and watch all of us just bicker with each other and talk shit to each other. So the bird, the bird's lost, Bo. Oh, do you know what? Birds are out for the season, Bo. I watched my first football game in probably 15 years the other day. I watched the Cowboys Packers game. Go on to watch.

Starting point is 00:52:43 Here we are. Yeah, it was great. I had a great time. The Birds Cowboys rivalries is all time, dude. Yeah. You know what? Okay. So obviously I'm not a huge sports guy,

Starting point is 00:52:55 but I do love like a good 30 for 30. I love a nice, like, rivalry story. Like, that's fun. Who doesn't like that? So who, who do the Eagles like who's the biggest rival? Is it everyone?

Starting point is 00:53:06 But who's like, it's the Cowboys. It's the Cowboys. Yeah, it'll always be the Cowboys. Like, even if they're not like even close to as good as us most years, it's always just going to,

Starting point is 00:53:15 it's, it's always going to be fucked out, no matter what. Yeah, that's, yeah. That's, yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:20 That's how it is. Yeah, makes sense. Even if they're way bad, like they're in the playoffs or whatever. Like, not the bears. Sorry about the birds,

Starting point is 00:53:28 dude. It's, it was a long night. It was burning. burning the midnight oil, just contemplating life. Yeah, when you log on today, I could still see some pain. I hadn't slept. I've been up for 36 hours straight just a minute. Well, anyway, Grit Iron Play, and I'm sure they're devastated today, too, other than Will,

Starting point is 00:53:49 because the Lions won their first playoff game since 1991. Yeah, I mean, respect them. It is funny because I think only two people in the band actually like sports and I think about it. I think it's just Carl will, but they obviously like it enough for all of them. Yeah, they just For all of us. I was like, they don't have like a new record.

Starting point is 00:54:08 I was like, you know, I feel like it'd still be good and I just love them guys. I was like, we'll try it out. And then that was probably the craziest grid iron set.

Starting point is 00:54:15 I know at four the children, it looks like fucking otherworldly. So I was glad that. Yeah, it was one of the greats. Yeah, like their last two sets and just been like better and better.

Starting point is 00:54:24 So I just like to see what they went this year. I wanted to ask you, how much you raised a good point about somebody not having a record out? How in depth are you looking at that when you're trying to book a band on a fest? It weighs heavy, honestly. Like, I just, you never want a band.

Starting point is 00:54:41 I just want a band to have as good as set as possible. So, like, I'll put them in a spot where I think they'll have the best set or, you know, oh, you haven't done something for like a minute. Like, I just don't think it's a right time. And, like, I don't ever want to offend people and be like, nah, I mean, your step's going to suck because it's not like that. It's just like, I don't want you to waste time coming all the way here and just not having the best possible scenario. So it's like very rare, like, unless, you know, like, I mean, Mind Force hasn't had any record in like a minute, but like, you know, some bands like magnitude wrote the same record for fucking five years, but like they, you know.

Starting point is 00:55:13 So, she's not in the drugs or ways. It's just like they can still capitalize whatever. But yeah, it's like, so did it. I don't write a band off immediately, but it does make me less like, fuck, I need this band if it's not, not even like an album cycle thing. Just like, oh, like, they played these songs for a minute. It takes you, like, take some time off. there you go there you go holy fair love it everybody gets hurt obviously a big exception to that as you said this was this was Scanlon being like they're ready and Mike dejean saying they're ready

Starting point is 00:55:42 yeah I didn't know that Mike dejean he told us pretty he went pretty in depth up with us about like producing their stuff for the most part oh I had no idea yeah that's crazy that's what a powerful partnership this was what an incredible set this was I watched this whole thing right from the side just because it was like, I better just wait here. And man, this is great. I feel like Tampa's like their second biggest market too.

Starting point is 00:56:11 Well, that's like it's not, I don't have a fucking formula or some shit, but there is stuff that just like works. Like every year having like a New York like literally just like a goon band for lack of a better word like just there's so many New York people that end up moving to Florida like X like fan members or whatever and just end up, you know, getting down there.

Starting point is 00:56:30 so I think that's also part of it. Yeah, I mean, literally, yeah, straight up. So, like, there, so every year, like, going back to, like, when I did Billy Club the one year and, like, obviously, bulldoos, like, things like that, like, it just, the ignorant mosh shit, like, specifically for, like, you know, that era of New York, like, I feel like just does, like super well at the fest.

Starting point is 00:56:48 So I was, like, having fans I get on it. Have they ever played FYA before? No. Have they played Tampa? When was the last time they played Tampa? I, it honestly might have been their first Tampa show ever. I have no fucking idea. but like because I can't imagine

Starting point is 00:57:02 what I remember is it might have been an FYA or some video of like a Florida band covering everybody gets hurt and it was like insane yeah I remember at that time thinking like damn they should play Florida so good job making it happen finally this was awesome everybody gets hurt is a band I think that gets written off

Starting point is 00:57:24 by their name honestly yeah most people probably just assume they're a beat down band I've had people from New York tell me like, I wrote them off forever. Yeah. I mean, I was really just.

Starting point is 00:57:36 See? And it's kind of just like, it's, I would say, I would compare it to Colda's life in the way where you, you, it's something completely different. In reality,

Starting point is 00:57:48 they're doing a perfect blend of like everything we like about hardcore. Yep. And the name, the name does not, if you think about it, it's a double in time. It means like, it's literally like the REM song.

Starting point is 00:57:59 everybody hurts sometimes you know and then also like everybody's gonna get hurt in the like it's a cool name like the pit is dangerous

Starting point is 00:58:08 but also as a human being we all experience pain yes everybody gets hurt one of the most beautiful band names amazing band

Starting point is 00:58:17 uh twitching tongues was up next tell me about twitching tongues Bob I didn't laugh I'm not sure that's fine no yeah thanks to Scanlan

Starting point is 00:58:26 for this one this was this was I know this was a scam on text being like you should come on. Fuck now. Absolutely not. I'll tell you.

Starting point is 00:58:34 Wow. This is, I was like, fuck, I think Twitch and Tongues would be, I was like, you think they'd be psyched

Starting point is 00:58:38 to play with like dying fetus and TY. And they're like, yeah, you should probably just ask them. I'll see what's up. I was like, what an insane question. I wonder.

Starting point is 00:58:49 That's all like, oh, they're playing a bunch of stuff. I was like, oh, but it would be sick. I think they've somehow never fucking played. So,

Starting point is 00:58:55 yeah, I was, when you were, you might have had the quickest yes out of everybody that ass this year, which is always appreciated. He didn't string me along and you were actually seemed excited. So, you know, I was

Starting point is 00:59:05 appreciative about that. I mean, we had such a great time just being there last year. Yeah. And I had a great time playing the year before that I couldn't wait to play again. The FOMO that I experienced last year was unbelievable. You wouldn't believe.

Starting point is 00:59:21 Oh, right, right. Right. So this year, this was really special. And, you know, our drummer passed away. I can't talk about it too much or I won't make get through this a few weeks prior. This was our first show in almost 10 years with our original drummer, Mike. Yeah. I'll never forget this one.

Starting point is 00:59:41 No. Plain and simple. Can I, I can, I told you this, but I could say from a, from an actual fan and from an outsider perspective, this felt so good to watch. It felt like a real triumph. I'm so proud of Mike for stepping up. and filling some pretty big shoes. And then like,

Starting point is 01:00:03 dude, just like in the hotel and, and hanging out and everything. Like, he's so, he's such a familiar little silly guy, you know, and like,

Starting point is 01:00:11 I mean, it's, it's like we never missed a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really,

Starting point is 01:00:17 it was really awesome. The set was fucking awesome. I know you said that, he said that, he could have headline. It was crazy. Oh. I know you said that that 1720,

Starting point is 01:00:28 was one that because of like the significance of headlining a hometown show you know blah blah blah so and I didn't see that one I've seen almost all the twitching shows since you've been playing again and this one to me felt like the most like holy shit

Starting point is 01:00:44 and you were wearing pants that looked like chinos you know it was dude they're spin kick proof proof you can't blow the crotch on them so thank you Arcterics for those other anecdotes I can please tell from this one um mac our our beloved merch man and stage guy unplugging the one sample that we play during the whole set was awesome i'd wonder if i look so panning i guess that's what was going

Starting point is 01:01:13 on that dude yeah yeah well also dude this was awesome my mic cable got ripped out instantaneously ten seconds in yeah i was saying kale's name and before i could say his last name we got ripped out and then I plugged it back in and went to say his name again. But some good Samaritan in the front took the cable and just plugged it straight into the monitor and looked at me like, got you, dog. Dude. Yeah, that doesn't work. What a kind soul, though. But we need that.

Starting point is 01:01:45 We need that. We need the wherewithal. If you're in a crowd, you know something's wrong. And you think you figured it out. Yeah. Try. Respect for trying. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:54 Yeah. It was straight in that mind. Even in the moment, I was like, thanks, man. Nope, that's a monitor. Pivoted. You know those moments, guys, where, like, your mic gets unplugged. You're all frazzled. You're about to start this thing that you can't wait to do.

Starting point is 01:02:08 And then you're thinking about it for like 15 minutes. Yeah. You're like, fuck, remember that? That sucked. Yeah. And then you snap out of it. And then I, like, I kept making these conscious thoughts to snap out of it while we were playing. And, like, it was beautiful.

Starting point is 01:02:22 So thank you, Bob. Dude, I mean, the sample came unplugged. You hit the thing and it fell off the little platform. That was cool. The head case. That was cool. The mic came unplugged. Like, Alec wasn't able to do some backup stuff because you had to use his, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:02:41 But that's that's. And he was at one point, I think he was crying too hard to turn around. I think at one point the whole band was just like weeping while playing. Yeah. That was cool. But what I was going to say is that. That's the beauty of this kind of music. It doesn't have to be perfect.

Starting point is 01:02:59 Who wants to see a perfect thing? Not me. I have a computer. 100%. I want to see you fuck up and I want to see how you recover. That's what makes a cool bit. That's cool to me. Dude, a perfect example is Gojura at Red Rocks.

Starting point is 01:03:13 They play that their biggest single off of magma. And they start it and a pedals fucked up. And they're like known for being like meticulous. Perfect. perfect band closed stage sound checks kind of thing because they fucking they get it tight they fuck up and they just kind of like that can happen and then they like start over and it's like yeah that's perfect like even even a band like that has that like they know that the authenticity is what's important and in the context of twitching tongues that was like the coolest part because you had 300 people

Starting point is 01:03:45 singing along you know yeah that was cool that was one of my favorites of all time yeah it was That was maybe my favorite. I was trying to think. I was like, I don't know. Like, this is hardcore. The first set you guys played was up there. But I feel like this set to me was like the like the comeback for lack of a better word you guys have had is like fucking unbelievable. Like it's just like it's awesome to see.

Starting point is 01:04:08 You know what I mean? Thanks, man. It's nice having this weekly propaganda show where it can happen. It's working. Yeah. It's working. It's been very special. Last time Mike played was this is hardcore 2015.

Starting point is 01:04:23 So he went out of this hardcore, came back at FAA. Symbolic. Yeah, that's really cool. One of my favorite people in hardcore, Mike. The fucking goat, dude. I'm so glad that people get to just experience Mike. Basil and oak, baby. One of the great woodworkers of our time is.

Starting point is 01:04:41 What are the great carpenters of our day? Better carpenter than Jesus, I would say. Hasn't been crucified like that other fucking loser. Anyway, paint of truth is up next. The band of 2023, my God, album of the year, tearing it up everywhere they go and haven't played a bad show yet anywhere in the world, which is crazy. Even in East and West Germany. How do you say that in German, Bo? Ost and vest.

Starting point is 01:05:12 Straight up, dude. They rocked there. Tell me about Pain of Truth, Bob. I mean, that's, they're one of the most universally, like, universally. likes bands in forever like to me like when they came out it was very like when the t ui demo dropped um and like the seven inch and shit and then like you know with the lp it's always like well let's see if they can keep up the energy and then like dude obviously it fucking worked you what i mean like yeah it's the record's crazy and then you know seeing people because everybody

Starting point is 01:05:41 knew every word to every song because then we have like fucking seven or whatever so now they know all the words the shit they play live and then it's just it's just crazy how massively are like it's awesome. Like, like, I've never seen them play a bad set, just because, like you said, I don't think they ever had to play a bad set. So, yeah, it was just, are capable of it. Literally, straight out. I hope they never do. Yeah, same. I just, yeah, I love them. And then that was probably my favorite time because they've, I rarely do repeats, but I'm like, dude, I'm not going to not do fucking paint a truth. So, um, their third time. And honestly, might have been the best one they played. So it was fucking sick.

Starting point is 01:06:14 There are a band, I think who, if they were missing from a lineup, you would, in the Instagram comments be like no pain of truth and you would like lose your mind. You know what I mean? Like they are that band. Yeah, they ran 2023 and it's Karen, you started it off in 2024. And that's the beauty of a Bob Wilson of this world. Bob Wilson John. The Bob Wilson's of the world are able to say, you know what?

Starting point is 01:06:37 I think this is their ton. And clearly it is. I thank you Bob. Wilson. Oh, you started the Bob chant too during Twitching. I did. You hated that, huh? I literally forgot about that to right now.

Starting point is 01:06:50 I fucking. I don't like, obviously I appreciate what I mean. Like, oh, thanks, blah, whatever. But like, when I feel anybody fucking looking at me, I want to fucking kill myself. So I was just like, this motherfucker's not doing this right now. Oh, I did it. Oh, you did it.

Starting point is 01:07:06 And I wanted, if I could leave the stage, if it wasn't a crowd of people around to do that, I would have left. Bob Wilson. Bob Wilson. You fan? Big fan. Bob. It's happening.

Starting point is 01:07:17 You're doing it. Bob, it's all happening. Run for office. What's the best Florida man all time? Dade remember. Crazy answer. But thank you for being here. Like,

Starting point is 01:07:27 elementary school and like you pissed her pants or something like that. Everybody's like, it was like the opposite because of a positive thing, but I hated the attention. I'm not saying I pissed my pants in elementary school. Yeah, all right.

Starting point is 01:07:40 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if someone were to piss their pants to the men's school, I bet that would feel bad. Well, they're going to be chanting for the rest of your life. It's going to, everywhere you goes, is going to be Bob, Bob. Yeah, you prefer to be kind of

Starting point is 01:07:53 behind the scenes, huh? Yeah, I, I would think I would like attention for doing six fucking bands as a singer. I cannot stand that shit. Like, I fucking hate it. Interesting. That's just because you love rocking. Yes. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:08:08 Love rocking. God, you're addicted, so addicted to rocking that it puts your, uh, you don't mind the shame and embarrassment that comes with people going, look, there's Bob. So here's another thing Bob did. Bob put dying fetus on

Starting point is 01:08:23 FIA. Favorite sets so far. Yesterday, it was either Grinor or dying fetus. Those things were... It's a good answer. Good cover right there for dying fetus.

Starting point is 01:08:35 It was great. Thank you so much. Bob. Bob. Bob. Yeah, this, I mean, this was like, we talked about this for weeks on the show just being like nervous. I was excited.

Starting point is 01:08:46 I got so excited. Just thinking about it. Yeah, yeah. How did this come about? It's been, I've been trying to, I've got to find an email. I've been trying to do it for probably the last like five or six best. And it's always like, I don't know. Like it's like probably not feasible or they're doing this tour or whatever. So it's not going to line up.

Starting point is 01:09:04 And because obviously like it's in Tampa. So like, you know, you like mottching, you like metal. The first band you think is like obituary. You know what I mean? So I was like forever. It's like, oh, like, obituary would be sick. And then in my head, I was like, eventually be sick, but like, I was like,

Starting point is 01:09:19 dying fetus would, is arguably more pitiful. I was like, I wonder if they would be like down for it. And, uh, I wouldn't say it's arguable. Yeah, right. Like obviously I, I fucking, as everybody in here, I love obituary. But I just try to think I'm like, dude, like, I, I, I just, they haven't played a hardcore thing. Like, when I was younger, they played hardcore shows.

Starting point is 01:09:37 And like, it wasn't crazy. But like, like, obviously in the last, like, whatever, 20-something years, they just really haven't, like, played that many, like, straight up hardcore shows. I was like, oh, let's, let's try this out. it's like if it's a flop and people are just full of shit and they don't absolutely care about this that's fine whatever but i always want to try it and they were all psyched leading up to it i know like uh the drummer like on here was talking about it i believe and then i had friends that he was talking to i used how psyched he was and i mean just even them doing the set list that said like

Starting point is 01:10:04 f way a like spin kick set list or whatever to fuck like they get it you know what you and like they know man yeah literally and like that's all you can ask for it's not just like fuck you you're getting whatever we're going to give you like like no Like we get what's going on here and we want to like make you guys like you know appreciate what we're doing and yeah I think it worked out awesome it was fucking great seeing a room full people sing next up up lyrics was like it was awesome that alone was amazing yeah yeah that was great it was a really beautiful thing yeah and like we we did a full episode with tray the drummer while we were there um and a huge part of it is just about how big hard hardcore is to them as a band and how influential it is. And like, they know they wouldn't be where they are without hardcore. It's one of the first things John said, I think. On stage was like, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for hardcore and like people embracing us.

Starting point is 01:11:01 So blah, blah, blah. You know, like, he said something along those lines, like right away. Yeah. And they are pound for pound one of the most pitiful bands in history. Yeah. What was the big one, dude? The dittal it, dude.

Starting point is 01:11:18 And then the second and then the second. Dun, dun, dun, and then. And then into that. The woo,

Starting point is 01:11:27 the audible woo during that moment, which sounded like a thousand people hearing that song for the first time. Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 01:11:34 Was incredible. We were watching. I was stage, I was on stage stage left. And I could hear that over drums over everything. I could hear the woo. It was awesome.

Starting point is 01:11:44 It was awesome. a thousand people going oh literally yeah oh yeah as somebody he was usually anti very uh like woo hardcore like dog barking in the pit kind of nonsense that was like it was like a genuine

Starting point is 01:11:58 holy fuck you know what I mean so like oh woo oh oh this is what this and I'm seeing Aaron Melnick seeing Aaron Melnick watched the integrity cover that you did with them like the video that got posted was like that was awesome pretty crazy shit it was fucking

Starting point is 01:12:15 Yeah. It was. That's the guy, man. We should have grabbed him. I wish we grabbed him. I know. That's an all-time part. That's like a Mount Rushmore hardcore riffer. Oh, fuck, yeah. 100%. His riffs pretty much single-hand of the killed youth crew. Can we do it? I would appreciate him for that. I would say him. I would say Paris.

Starting point is 01:12:37 I would say. Allegedly, right? Yeah, Paris or Doug. We'll find out next week. I would say Paris I would say fuck Skip

Starting point is 01:12:49 No not skip Who play guitar and turning point Bob Do you know Jay Wofflin Jay That's right Jay

Starting point is 01:12:55 And then I'd have to think about the four Is this Bose Mount Rushmore? Yeah this is my Mount Rushmore Parkour Riffers And then and then Three gun

Starting point is 01:13:04 Florida Frank Yeah That's fair Yeah This would take me too long So I'd have to do I'd have to do A fucking whiteboard

Starting point is 01:13:12 With a science project behind me to deduce. But Melnik, Aaron Malnick, his brothers. Legends. Armenian legends, dude. Armenian persecution, one of the greatest hardcore songs ever. Anyway, we'll talk about him more in a second.

Starting point is 01:13:29 Traffin'Rice closed out day one, Bob. You said you wouldn't hit the pit and then you hit the pit. I did. What's up with that? There's just something when T.I. Played Gemini. I just like turned into a completely new human. Are you a Gemini? Are you a Gemini? No.

Starting point is 01:13:43 I mean, it's fucking trapped under ice, dude. Like, that's another band. Like, when I was kind of, Tampa obviously doesn't have a lot of, like, like, they have venues, but nothing really that made sense, like, how I wanted the show to be or whatever. So they played the Orfield, and it was good because it's fucking trapped under ice, but I was like, like, like, fuck, dude. I was like, I want them, I want them to come back and play, like, in a much better spot, like, where it should, it's more of, like, what TUI sets should be.

Starting point is 01:14:12 and then seeing them at this spot, like basically getting to redo them from seven years ago. Like it was, it's kind of like upgraded. You know what I mean? Like it was. Yeah. Seeing the people,

Starting point is 01:14:22 like nobody left before them. Like obviously it's a headliner. So it's always stressful with that shit. But the room is fucking packed and people are screaming every word. And justice was on one foot looking cool as shit. Like, dude, it was like running and playing drums.

Starting point is 01:14:34 Everything was awesome. Yeah. Made me so nervous to see justice. Because he was walking around with a cane because he had broken. because he had broken his foot not too long ago in like November. So he's walking around with a cane and then I was thinking to myself

Starting point is 01:14:49 like, how's he going to play? And he just raw dogged it. And it's like, man, fuck, that's scary. That's so scary. As we've said many times on here, TY is like a once in five generations type band. Yep. They united the world.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Like you can like any kind of hardcore and there's going to be something. You're going to like Traff and Rise for some reason. Yeah. Right. It's also... I think they can headline the FYAs of the world forever. It's crazy to the amount of people who we've talked to at other times that,

Starting point is 01:15:24 at other shows the TUI played all over the world, literally, where it was like, oh yeah, I never saw them because people are young. And it's like, dude, they were on the road like fucking maniacs back in the day. So it's, and then took such a long hiatus that it's pretty... They were, but they stopped pretty much all to. together touring in like 2013. Yep. Oh, really?

Starting point is 01:15:45 Was it that? Yeah, it was that long ago, which for us has gone by pretty fast. But thousands, hundreds of thousands of new hardcore kids have been born since then. So they got to make their way around the world a couple times before everybody has seen them. Yeah. But the excitement of people who get to see them is what I'm saying is like palpable. It's amazing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:09 And it's, they're getting these. like TY shows when I was young or touring with them initially were like very violent. Yeah. And now because the lyrics, people, so many people connect with the lyrics, that's kind of like, that was the thing that I think you did unite the people with Trappner Rice was that. Yeah, he was, they were going, dun dun dun dun, dun, dun, but also he very clearly has actual things to say. Yeah. and even if you don't even if he's saying of a 300 syllable sentence about the depths of the depths of Baltimore there's still something within it where you go yeah that's because that sounds

Starting point is 01:16:55 a lot like me why listening to Trapping and Rice is a lot like watching like drive you know yeah where you go he's just like me and he ain't nothing like you in reality But we connect with it and somewhere. That's good. I like that. Just one of the greatest bands, period. And that was day one. Pardonness interruption.

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Starting point is 01:21:33 I was worried for it. Actually, it might have been today. I was in the fetal position next to the stage during Valmora because I got socked so fucking hard. You got socked in the tummy? Dude, I got spun cupped in the tummy. What's your favorite thing? Therapy.

Starting point is 01:21:49 Yeah, yeah. You can spin kick and also give advice. Thank you, Cliff. I had to double up on my fucking socks, dude. It's so fucking cold. Dude, I'm burning alive in this room. Two degrees outside. So pathetic.

Starting point is 01:22:04 My body wash was frozen this morning. It was icy. I saw that. That was awesome. All right. Day two. Before day two, you know,

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Starting point is 01:22:24 We ate Jets. That was good. That was good. That was good. Brandon Brandon Florida in Brandon

Starting point is 01:22:32 Brandon yeah I don't what the fuck you didn't know that I straight up I had no idea damn it oh dude that's a

Starting point is 01:22:42 that's a that's a that's a FYA ritual for us fuck well I got to Brandon Jets it closes at midnight

Starting point is 01:22:48 yeah yeah that's right let's go Brandon the best Jets east of east of

Starting point is 01:22:58 Detroit, I would say. A good one. That was good. Yeah, I lost a bunch of money. Never got it back. That's the whole story. Hard Rock Tampa, scumbag, shithole. I'll never be back.

Starting point is 01:23:11 I'll be back next year to get it all back. Today, they too started with Balmora. Belmora is a very special band. Connecticut, young lads. We had a good chat with Jay outside. He's 19 years old. he is a prolific riffer and writer. He's the future of aggressive music.

Starting point is 01:23:35 He's my new muse, I would say, is Jay. He looks insane, which I like. Here's a few words from Jay. Please welcome Jay from Belmore. You opened today. I did open today. Some are calling it one of the greatest opening fest sets of all time. It was definitely something.

Starting point is 01:23:56 You did great. Your swag is out of control. I wanted to do something dope. My hair was supposed to be up. I realized that instead of gel, I accidentally grabbed loose. Perfect. So my shit is just fucked up. I'm gonna be honest with you.

Starting point is 01:24:11 I kind of date. No, you're doing alright. How old are you? I'm 19. Okay. That's what I'm talking about. It's a young. 19 years old, four bands.

Starting point is 01:24:19 That's the dream. That's the hardcore that I know about. That's Connecticut, baby. What's Belmore all about? Belmore is all about Souls games. Dude. Are you serious? We got to talk. We're all about Souls games. My voice is fucked.

Starting point is 01:24:34 We're all about spin kicking. Souls games, Connecticut. Oh, my God. Balmora, the greatest fan of all time. How about that? What a cool guy. Pants too big for his goddamn feet. Biggest pants you ever seen. I ever seen it.

Starting point is 01:24:49 Tell me about putting Balmora first day too, Bob. So that whole scene that they've created the Afira scene or whatever, however you pronounce that. it's just like to me that's what hardcore is like it's you and a bunch of your friends just like hey like we want to see this happen there's nobody doing this like we want to do it we're just gonna fucking do it ourselves so you know obviously there's people like who are not into it and that's whatever and like even with that kind of shit I have it's like a very thin line of what I like what I don't like but they hit the like undying prayer for cleansing sweet spot for me like perfectly and uh I I straight up love that band and um I that's the other thing they could have played a made much higher, but I was like day two is so fucking hard to get people there early. And like going back to, I put three knee deep first on the second day at the Cuban club the one year just to like make sure people were there. And like it was like fucking psychotic. So every year I try to just do something that makes people get there early. So this was a tactical maneuver.

Starting point is 01:25:47 Oh, 100%. Yeah. And like, I was like, dude, like their songs are long as fuck. I don't want to like give them 15 minutes later on. So I was like if I put them first, I can start 10 minutes early, give them the full sets. that are not cheated. And, dude, yeah, like, I think I was talking to, to, like, the woman who helps

Starting point is 01:26:03 with the venue or whatever, like, in the first couple songs, I walked in, and there's a crowd from the fucking stage to the bar. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I figured to be, you know, like, kind of diehard, just like, they're really just, like, fuck each other up. And the place is fucking packed. And it was, like, insane. So, and then

Starting point is 01:26:18 the lead to rest cover, like, popped off. Like, everything about it was fucking great. It was, uh, it was, it was 20 minutes of Connecticut glory, I would say. beautiful of 860 203 glory was beautiful more of the future we'll keep them in mind for the hard law awards later this year

Starting point is 01:26:40 collateral was next Florida Florida HC tell me about collateral that's just so there's band B all and all from there and it's basically like half of that band and it's not like too different but it's like the same kind of vibe and that's what I just, to me, it's just funny having them in Balmora back to back because I feel like that's what FAA is. Like, it's not just, you know, bands all sound alike and only

Starting point is 01:27:05 one kind of thing like pops off. So I like doing them back to back just to fuck with people a little bit. And then, yeah, just seeing them, like, right out to Balmora, just like crush it, like play like eight songs and seven minutes or ever to fuck. Like, they're, they're incredible. And they can have a new record coming out this year on a scheme, sadly. But I think, um, yeah, They're just, what's scheme? Scheme records, Kyle Nguyen's record label.

Starting point is 01:27:31 He's a dirtbag, but the label is great. I love that label. But yeah, they're just fucking sick as hell and then seeing, obviously the more Florida vans on, the better.

Starting point is 01:27:42 So it's always good seeing people from their own state and get a reaction like it. Yeah, this was, I mean, it stayed lit, which at noon is very difficult.

Starting point is 01:27:53 Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this was still awesome. And it was kind of, it was, what's cool is Belmora kind of sounds like Florida HC of your, you know? Yep. Of yesterday year. Yeah, it's kind of like the two, the two timelines of Florida converging on the one thing, which is pretty funny.

Starting point is 01:28:09 100%. And collateral is, collateral is modern Florida hardcore. It was very, it was a very cool back to back. The final agony was up next. This is Aaron Melnick's band. Yeah, they, so my buddy Connor wrote and recorded everything for the demo, and I just thought, I was like, dude, this is so, if you like integrity or any Clevo shit, like, it's, it's perfect. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:28:31 And I just, I have like a super, like a spot in me that just like loves Cleveland Sound and shit. And who doesn't? I just thought they're fucking six. I was like, yo, I just want you guys to play. Like, I don't know how many kids are going to even know what the fuck this is. I don't really care. But I was like, you got to just make something happen and like get a lineup. Because he wrote and recorded everything himself.

Starting point is 01:28:52 So he had to like even put together the lineup. And the lineup is fucking crazy. And then he had Aramelnick, like, being added to it and being, like, psyched on it. It's just like, that's awesome. You know what I mean? And then he was just melting people's faces the whole fucking time. And I was just cracking up every solo that would start. He's the guy.

Starting point is 01:29:08 He's the OG solo guy. Yeah. In hardcore. Wow. That was, I mean, that, who better to get in that position? Very cool. I've never seen him play live until this. So I think that was special for a lot of us.

Starting point is 01:29:23 sub 40 four men sub 40 team had a good job had a good time moment of truth was up next tell me about mother truth Bob it's just uh so they've had some like line up changes

Starting point is 01:29:34 over the years and then like the one year they're supposed to play and they had to drop off kind of last second so it's kind of like four years building up to an actual moment of truth at FAAA and they played failure earlier this year at the uh the from within showcase and like at the entire room

Starting point is 01:29:49 spread out getting the shit beaten out of them and it was just like fucking perfect to me so I was like I can't wait for this the best they did the dual singers even though they both did the exact same thing which is just awesome and then uh that's that's that brings a tear to the eye you know yeah they're just they're fucking awesome and uh yeah i was glad that you know after years they finally were able to pull up a set at the fest fantastic dual singers keep it going have fun there's no rules you know get weird moment of truth great job demonstration of power from Glasgow, Scotland.

Starting point is 01:30:25 Wow. This was awesome because we saw them at outbreak this year. And this was one of the sets where it was like, I'm so glad that you brought them over. Because how many amazing UK bands are there that completely go over the heads of the dumb American audience? Yeah, I mean, that whole Scotland squad, I think the first time they came over was

Starting point is 01:30:49 they had a game called Servitude forever ago. And I was like, yo, I literally don't have. any more room on the fest but if you for some reason want to come over and play the pre-show i have a spot for you whatever and they're all just down like instantly and then ever since then like that whole group of bands the same thing with like the fire saying or whatever like dude who the fuck like i've played scotland on tour like scotland has never had like a crazy scene to you know i mean as far as i know and those kids have built it up and made it such a fucking like destination i mean they do the northern on rest fest um yeah you know they did they bust their ass like they just love hardcore and they're

Starting point is 01:31:22 constantly doing bands and putting out records and shit. So, you know, despise mourning, now DOP. Like, I just really like bringing them kids over because, like, I know they actually love, like, being at the fest and just being able to show, again, like, Americans who, like,

Starting point is 01:31:39 might not check out every demo or know what the hell's going on outside, like, their own scene or whatever. They're like, yo, man, there's, like, crazy shit going on. So, like, here's this awesome, insane band that's just, like, psychotic live. And, you know, I, feel like a lot of people, if they didn't know who they were before that came away, like, what the fuck that I just

Starting point is 01:31:56 watch, you know what to me? 100%. The UK really leans hard in terms of its bands. I feel like if the average American listener spent one day just researching, like, new UK hardcore bands, they'd find five of their favorite bands. Yesterday and I was taking an easy end today,

Starting point is 01:32:14 like demonstration of power came on. I had to get in there a little bit, you know? You like Scottish music? Yeah, I caught a stool. A stool. That's a suburban. No, Cooper. Oh, the other night. Oh, I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:32:24 How tall are you? Six, five? I'm also about five, ten. And we're both, we're neither short nor tall. Let's see if we're both five ten. Why don't you get up from you? You're not five ten? No, you guys.

Starting point is 01:32:35 He and I. Yeah. Spitting image. One of you is not five ten. I'll say that much. Thank you so much for doing us. Was he tall? You were tall.

Starting point is 01:32:44 Oh, nice. Yeah, straight off. Um, regarding demonstration power, Miles, who was filling in for them at the time, was involved in a serious car accident. I believe he's in a medically induced coma right now. They've set up a GoFundMe for him. We're going to put the link below.

Starting point is 01:33:03 So if you could click on that and support him. I know that they would really appreciate it. I hear he's a staple in UK hardcore. So it saddens me to think about, you know, what they're going through with that. So please check that out. consider donating or sharing and demonstration of power

Starting point is 01:33:25 kicked ass cum bust was oh god I got really got a transition into cum bust from that what did I tell you after watching them that they did all your favorite things we we talked a couple times about how like

Starting point is 01:33:39 they are a perfect example of all my favorite New York hardcore things and that if if I found them when I was fucking in high school or 18 or something they would quickly be one of my favorite bands. Yeah, this was amazing. And we talked to Andrew last year,

Starting point is 01:33:58 and my first thought was like, damn, why isn't Combust playing this? So this year, they put out that awesome promo. They're going to put out a new LP on Triple B. I feel like they, like Bo said, it's like they're doing so many of our favorite things

Starting point is 01:34:14 in New York ArcCore. That it's like, it's like happening for Combust now. And this set, being so good affirms that. Tell me about putting combust on, Bob. I hate the term hardest working band and hardcore. I think it's like the most annoying, like bear trap ass fucking compliment on Earth.

Starting point is 01:34:33 I was like, you fucking play shows, man, relax. But they truly like bust their ass, like, and just seeing them kind of just like grind it out and just like, you know, just you could see like the first thing they came through Philly, the second time,

Starting point is 01:34:46 like you can see like people catching on more and more. And I think the music's getting better and better. and like now, you know, I think the new songs are awesome. And they all just are down for hardcore. They love hardcore they're at. They'll come to Philly on a Sunday night for a fucking show, mosh the whole time, like whatever. And like, I just,

Starting point is 01:35:03 anytime there's a band of kids that actually, like, really loves hardcore and like, you know, just that's all there is. Like, yeah, we're combust for a hardcore band, whatever. And it was kind of just, I even apologize. I was like, dude, it took me a while to put you guys on. I don't know why the fucking took me so long, but I'm glad you finally did and you got the reaction you deserved. Because honestly, I feel like in the past,

Starting point is 01:35:20 it would have been good, but I think now, like, the timing for this now, I think it was like by far the best possible set they could play. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. We're all in on the, on the cum boys. And we wish them a great long success. This really rocked.

Starting point is 01:35:41 And I would say the hardest working band and hardcore thing was an easy phrase to clown on. But now it's kind of easy to grow without doing much work. You know, like things that never didn't, didn't lift a finger can get really popular. Sure. Combust is not that. So I do think you're dead on. And with that phrase that we hate so much actually applying in their case.

Starting point is 01:36:15 Yep. Good job, Bob. bust come bust finally heywire's up next brand new band featuring a friend of the show buried dreams frontman austin sparkman this set was incredible it was awesome this haywire is like the think i care era of boston yep they're doing everything i want like modern boston hardcore to be you know this was one of my favorite sets there was an incredible moment that really

Starting point is 01:36:54 showcased showcased Austin's like sense of humor to me where someone's guitar fucked up so they needed a guitar right and they said to the sound guy like how much more time do we got and the sound guy said about five minutes and not even into the mic like

Starting point is 01:37:12 truly to his own band not directly he also just went It's like four songs. And it just, it annihilated me. And it was so, like, the set was so good. I hear the think I care Boston thing and then I hear the Oi thing together. Yeah. There's melodies.

Starting point is 01:37:33 There's like sing-alongs. Then there's like hard. Which is classic Boston. Absolutely. That's like a whole other side of classic. It's that post-Ireland Boston hardcore. Got to sing with my mates. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:44 The post-Bundock sang. Boston hardcore is a line in haywire amazing set tell me about putting haywire on Bob I think so last year might even been at the festival a little bit afterwards Austin was like yo I got a new band I think you're gonna fuck with it I was like all right well I mean as long as it doesn't suck ass like I'll put you on the fest like just because I I think he's one of like the only there's no personality in hardcore for the most part right now and like he just is such a good front man and I just love watching like any band he's in like it just it feels like an event every fucking time you know what I mean so I was like

Starting point is 01:38:20 the name of the band is haywire it's him singing I know this is going to be crazy so I was like fucking I was like you guys gonna play whatever and um yeah just just see because I've known him since he lived in like ashtabula or whatever to fuck like when he was like he ran after tubula yes and he's always been the man and then so like just seeing him like he's in like so many fucking good bands right now and he just I can't believe the amount of shit that he turns out like he's like oh I have a new LP like all written and recorded him like how the fuck does even like find time to do this and yeah it might be his favorite my favorite band that he's done so far and yeah it's just

Starting point is 01:38:57 it's fucking it was haywire is a very appropriate name for the band I feel like just like watching how I was just like ridiculous he's he is he's like silently one of the great musical minds of our time I had I had the best time putting together the Barry Dreams LP with him. Hope to do it again. X weapon X is up next. Wow, Bo. Wow. What a set.

Starting point is 01:39:23 My return to F.A. From the Cuba Club to the recreation center. It was awesome. To the glazer. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. This was, I felt weird. I didn't want to be underprepared

Starting point is 01:39:44 and I had to bring a bunch of shit as you know I forgot something for the show so I just like there was like a lot of pressure and I was like practicing in my hotel room the night before the set because I just didn't want to like the guys drove down from Louisville and we flew and I just wanted historically have you blown it when you played with them prior

Starting point is 01:40:04 I've never blown it I've never I've never blown it but like even to Brian's own admission like there are tags in these songs that are like the same three notes just played in different orders

Starting point is 01:40:17 and they just get jumbled you know so it's just like little parts where I have to make sure I'm like remembering where I'm going and you saw how I like kept the song straight on my quad cortex and everything

Starting point is 01:40:28 none of that even matters once the set starts though the second it starts I could care less and I know they all felt the same way and this was so lit right immediately this might have been the the gnarliest like pile on of the weekend which was like holy shit people

Starting point is 01:40:45 making the ex hands and stuff yeah you brought them you brought them out i yeah about ex weapon bob yeah they uh so when the day started they literally had like a cold world 2008 s like merch wine and i was like the set should be pretty good i think and then like just seeing people psyched to be X-up, like getting exed up by the kid Dave that sings, like, people just like being psyched on straight edge, like I fucking love that, obviously. Very special guest here. We've got Dave from Weapon X. How are you, Dave?

Starting point is 01:41:17 Brother, I'm great. Do you have a good set? Maybe the best set we've played said to are. I think so. I think. As a third party, I think I can objectively say it was. You've seen a lot of them. I've seen most of them.

Starting point is 01:41:28 You've seen most of them. You might have seen all of them. Maybe have seen all of them. I got bit. That's old school. I got fucking, oh, no. Like dentures or real teeth? No, I just...

Starting point is 01:41:37 Oh, pinky? Dude, during the intro, I just felt my fucking finger scrape across someone's tooth, and I was like, oh, cool, I've got rabies now. Yeah, that's your patient zero. Yeah. Wow. You're all fine.

Starting point is 01:41:46 It might be an edge break, rabies. Brian and Isaac have been lighting me up all weekend. Why? For what? My jeans. Your jeans? They say they're too tight. Dude, they're pretty tight.

Starting point is 01:41:56 Big jeans. I literally walked into a room. One time, they're like, yeah, I hate when guys have, like, skinny-ass jeans, and I was wearing my loosest jeans. Wow. Some real haters. Some real secret.

Starting point is 01:42:06 Oh yeah, it looks sweet. But boy do they dress good. Because they get all their clothes for free anyway. You've got you've had every merch item that exists on the sun. Yeah, absolutely. What is something that you see on the wall and you go, I gotta happen. I want that. A jersey. Particularly a basketball jersey, particularly, particularly a, like, cabal style basketball jersey. Like letters and numbers. Letters and numbers. Like kind of like cool, like dope colors. I don't think I've ever worn a jersey. I don't think I've worn, I don't think I've ever owned a jersey. I don't think I've ever owned a jersey. Yeah, you don't feel, you don't give Jersey. I don't sport. No.

Starting point is 01:42:40 You give dark shadows. Darkness. Johnny Deppersion. God rest of soul. Your guys is set last night was fucking nuts. Like, there's your money. We were, we were, we were, we were talking about it afterwards.

Starting point is 01:42:54 Your voice was maybe the most dialed in. Dude. I've ever heard. I'm not trying, I'm not trying to ride here. Without your ears. I didn't have my ears in. It's whatever. See, I don't even know what that means. I'm a fake musician.

Starting point is 01:43:04 Turn them off. I don't even know what that. What is ears in? Turned moth. Leaving me at the hotel, dude. You don't need them. You don't need them. Just go with your gut. Put some air pods in.

Starting point is 01:43:12 Yeah. Look rich. You guys listening to Travis Scott. You wouldn't believe it. Gangster. What's the best Florida band of all time? Remembering Never. That was so cool.

Starting point is 01:43:20 That was so fast. Maybe not Remembering Never, but they're like number two. Yeah. I love Morning Again. Oh, Morning Again. I love Morning Again. Are those your same answers for straight-o bands? No.

Starting point is 01:43:31 Who's the best straight-drawn? Throw down. The last one. Hear them now. that. That's maybe the nicest compliment I've ever gotten in my entire life. I do that a lot. So thank you.

Starting point is 01:43:42 Like to me that band like, you know, like Brian and Isaac, like they don't need to do bands like that. They can just like sit at home and be like, oh, like we're just wait for the next tour, whatever.

Starting point is 01:43:50 Like, nah, we're going to do a band with our fucking brother and this dude that we just want to have like singing a band or whatever. And to me that's fucking awesome. Like that's just like what hardcore is to me. You know what I mean? Like you're just like kind of paying it forward.

Starting point is 01:44:02 Like, hey, we're going to help Louisville, you know, like with more bands and whatever. on like doing shit and then so i was psyched they were down to play and then yeah just i fucking the set made me as soon as it started it's like jesus fucking christ dude and like it just i loved it was awesome i had been having a back i hurt my back lifting during the week played this set

Starting point is 01:44:24 and did not take it as easy as i should have and then the the next day was like miserable like couldn't. The last week, I'm finally feeling better today. It's Tuesday, you know, like over a week. Yeah, I'm finally hydrated three weeks later. Bob, let's talk about that. All right. What's talking about it? I want to. Listen, I get it, Bob. There's nowhere, there's nowhere to put all these waters. People leave undrank water bottles everywhere. Well, but, but here's my question. I asked for waters for the ban. I got four. Five waters for the band. Five guys in the band.

Starting point is 01:45:06 Yeah, but I'm a thirsty boy. Was there, what was your mindset when it came to that? Because the reason I ask is because people don't consider things like, oh, the 7 o'clock, no more ins and hours. And there's a reason behind that. People might not think about why, like, there's one place to get food and drink from inside the venue because it goes in line with what the venue has catering. blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Like there,

Starting point is 01:45:31 there are aspects to fest that obviously people think, they just, oh, they just don't want people leaving. Well, no. No. No,

Starting point is 01:45:39 man. I don't want you getting your gun and coming back in my venue. There we go. Yeah, that's fair. There we go. Especially in Tampa, Florida. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:48 So the water thing. So it's not a real venue. It's not like, hey, here's all the water you could possibly need, whatever. It's like, a fucking community center.

Starting point is 01:46:01 So the first year I had the water, I hit it, and I'm like, you know, bands will play. I'll bring them up, getting very hydrated now. I guess. All right. All right.

Starting point is 01:46:11 Anyways. So I'm like walking around. I was like, that's weird. That person has a water that I hid. I was like, oh, that person also says, I was like,

Starting point is 01:46:20 where the, I was like, why does everybody have this fucking water? And they had all gone in the closet and started just like taking the waters that were specifically for the bands. And then goers were going in there Fest goers, people whose bands

Starting point is 01:46:32 weren't even playing, whatever. And then I was just like, I was literally just like, it's like, you know, on dirty work when the guy's like wearing his shirt. Like when he throws all his shit out, he's like, hey, that's my shirt. I was like, that's my fucking water. It's like for the band, what the fuck? Because once that water is gone, like I'm not, because I used to just

Starting point is 01:46:48 go to, like, at Cuban Club, I went to like a Sam's club and got like, whatever, 50 fucking cases of water. And I'll be, dude, I'm not doing that shit anymore. So I was like, oh, find a nice hiding spot, like whatever. all the water got fucking taken. So there was like no water for like the last thing, whatever that's time. Because they have to order it to the venue and shit.

Starting point is 01:47:04 And I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, man. So that was kind of my line in the sand. I was like, fuck it. No more like water than being out like for everybody. And then day one, there was like 25 cases of water with like four bands left. I was like, oh, I'm fucking golden, whatever. I go back after twitching tongues, I think. All the water's gone.

Starting point is 01:47:25 And I was like. It wasn't me. I wasn't. I had one water the whole day. I was like, people found the water and the venue just decided to just take the water to the,

Starting point is 01:47:35 to the vendor spots and just sell the water. I was like, this is for the fucking, like, now I have no, like, there's a whole fucking thing, which is why we ended up with Desani for the last like two bands, which I felt like the biggest fucking crumb on earth. I was like, oh, here's the worst water on earth. Like you're going to be really hydrated.

Starting point is 01:47:50 Yeah. Here's what we'll do. Here's what we'll do next year, Bob. January 2025, Hardler will personally be sponsoring the water at FWA. We're going to have a a hard-door water tent just for

Starting point is 01:48:03 bans. You need the little laminate. You come there with a little laminate. I'll give you a water my damn self, right? I finally found a perfect hiding spot, so in theory we shouldn't need to do that. But I won't tell you, no, you can't do that. We'll set up in the spot. We'll do that too. We'll do both. We'll tell you where the closet is, or I'll hand you

Starting point is 01:48:23 a monster tour water myself. Big boy, our beloved, my Bay Area brethren, Big Boy, the biggest boys you've ever seen playing now. Tell me about putting Big Boy on, Bob. I mean, that's the same. Like, I was talking about how much I love the Bay and I love everything those kids are doing and shit. Like, when I asked Joseph about tsunami, I was like, yo, like, I want Big Bo, you know, can we do both U.N. Big Boy? Like, I feel like that'd be, like, awesome. And, like, he was down.

Starting point is 01:48:51 And that's all the band. They played Philly. And I put him at, like, this super small spot. and it was just like fucking ridiculous. So it made me even more psyched for the fest. And then his mosh calls crack me up. Like I hate. He could tell when people have been like sitting in the mirror talking about it for months like,

Starting point is 01:49:08 oh, this can be hilarious. But he's just naturally hilarious. And him just even at the after show like just saying what set a world record for most cartwheels in a bar at 1.30 in the morning. And then people just cartwheeled like I just when he shouts out the big girls where the big girls at. Like I just I love the vibe of the band. I think.

Starting point is 01:49:25 the songs are fucking like six. So, yeah, I just, I was, I said it was out of control. After shows, Bob. How do you feel about them? You do. They're necessary. I, uh, there are necessary evil. Just because there's some bands.

Starting point is 01:49:42 Why? Because there's some bands, like, it's weird. Like, I did drain last year or the year before sold out crazy tsunami, crazy, whatever. It's just like, there's no rhyme or reason why they are good or not good for some reason. Like, true. But it's like, there's some bands, like, yo, out of pocket. Like, I want you to come out. I can't really give you what I should be giving you for the festival.

Starting point is 01:50:06 Like, if you want to do this as well, like, you know, I could help more like cover, you know, you guys cost and all that shit. Or bands have like, guarantees that I'm like, ah, it's a little much of the festival. I want to happen. I was like, if you want to do another show to kind of help with that shit. It is. So it's an economic necessary. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:25 And like, there is bands. Like, like, I really wanted the young kids and discontent to be part of the fest, but, like, it didn't really make sense to have him on the fest. So I brought them down for the after show. Brand scheme, I just, I really wanted to be on the fest. And it just couldn't get an answer to me in time. So I was just like, all right, well, like, you know, if you could, if you're down for this, just because I want you, I want you guys there all weekend. I'm so, like, but, you know, here's, there's an after show also. It's like, it's miserable a lot of the times.

Starting point is 01:50:51 Like, especially early on, I remember the year I did, like, race trader or something like that, it didn't end to, like, 3 a.m. and I was like, what the fuck am I doing, dude? Like, this is like, I don't know why. And then you're back at the venue at what,

Starting point is 01:51:02 930, 10? Yeah, like, earlier, but yeah, like, oh,

Starting point is 01:51:06 yeah, that's why, that's why I only, this year only did three bands and like both shows are over about like 1230 or something like that. So like, that's amazing. That's better.

Starting point is 01:51:15 Yeah. So, yeah, it's like, it's not my favorite thing, but there is people that, like, going there and like,

Starting point is 01:51:21 like I said, it helps the bands out a little more with money and shit. But, uh, it's I mean the after show in theory is as a whole is dead I think like just the idea of an after show like people are fucking tired of shit I don't I don't blame I'm like if I didn't have to run the show there's no fucking way in hell I would be there I'd be like yeah I'm just going to Zach's bees and going home or something but uh but doors at 11 no means to people anybody that's still moshing 12 hours later is is a hero to me dude you're a hero I respect you I'm drinking a Red Bull. They ain't been drinking water. I'll tell you.

Starting point is 01:51:58 But I think the worst, not the worst, but the most miserable set I've personally ever played was a United Blood after show. And bless them for having us, because it was just to have us, you know? Yeah. It was like just so that we could be there. And thank God.

Starting point is 01:52:18 But oh my God. What time did you play? Playing at three in the morning, nobody should do it. No. nobody should be there nobody was being there we played uh

Starting point is 01:52:31 we played Italy one time and Dora's red 11 but that's Italy yeah but that's Italy but that's I think that's those motherfuckers nap for dinner it's the latest I've played you know it's like maybe midnight it feels so icky

Starting point is 01:52:45 it feels real weird yeah I don't feel good when I'm there I'm I'm like all right let's uh let's wrap this off here boys you gotta you wear uh ear ear protection Bob no I'm going to wake up one day and not be able to hear shit

Starting point is 01:52:58 So it is what is that is that is it is it is likely I'll tell you what Uh the return of hard stripes Up next very cool to see them back there are not I mean it's this it's a leave from Division of Mind singing this is the other half of their their spirit their essence yeah Tell me about having hard stripes on bob yeah I heard they were going to do like a couple shows and I was like I mean they played a couple FIAs and like I think I might even be where I might have played

Starting point is 01:53:29 like their first show or something like that's like I love hard stripes and um yeah just again a new generation of kids that had never seen them being able to like oh shit like the guy from division of mine is in like the band it sounds like 86 mentality or something and the shit he was saying about

Starting point is 01:53:44 like tell your tell your book an agent to suck my dick and then the Cox Barro cover everything about it was like perfect and it made me so fucking it's just again, a lot of people just don't speak up about shit or don't have anything to say. And you could tell he had a lot to get off his chest about, you know, quote unquote punk bands, all that shit. So it made me fucking psyched.

Starting point is 01:54:04 Beautiful. Great band. I love to see him back rocking. Restraining order is up next. C. T. H. motherfucking C.

Starting point is 01:54:16 How much do you love restraining order, Bob? This is Bob Wilson, H.C. to the core. Oh, dude, even when they first came out and they had like the new age shit, I was like, I don't understand why everybody isn't like fuck all of this. This is like perfect punk hardcore to me. It's like catchy, has like good much part and shit. And Pat's such a good front man. And, uh, yeah, I just every time I see them, it's like they just crush it.

Starting point is 01:54:38 And then they, they, I think it played like a few years in a row. And then last year, I was like, oh, you guys got a new record coming next year. I was just like, like, chill this year and come back with the new shit. And then I think that that helped them out a lot. And, um, yeah. Yeah, like, dude, like, they just, I don't know the last time I saw them not get a good reaction, you know what I mean? So it's always going to be people pile an option. This is one of the best.

Starting point is 01:55:00 We've seen them a lot over the past couple of years doing this show. And this was one of the best ones. Yep. One of the best records of last year. Uh, keep my band, my OG, Heath Freeman. Finally getting a win is. He was in the trenches for years. It was great.

Starting point is 01:55:19 He was in the trenches. dude for me for everyone and he now he's here playing FYA thank God restraining order fantastic magnitude is up next this is some southern royalty right here is they

Starting point is 01:55:35 FYA is kind of their hometown fest technically right being Carolina and Florida yeah they it somehow gets said a lot but I also thought it like wisdom and chains is to this is our core as Brace Ward is

Starting point is 01:55:50 Tucson Fury as magnitude as F-Wa. Like, they just, they came out, they put the demo out. I immediately was like, yeah, you guys got to play. And then again, like, every year I'm like,

Starting point is 01:56:01 I don't know if they can top last year. And then it's just, you know, crazy pylons, fucking people going off the new songs. Russell always says some crazy Lord of the Ring shirt saying awesome shit between songs.

Starting point is 01:56:12 I really don't. I love that band. I love, the spirit of that band is just makes me like, excited you know what I mean that's like what hardcore is for me and I hope they play every year well that's up to you yeah you book the fest

Starting point is 01:56:28 you heard it here this is breaking news they're playing next year never ending game is up next our our good buddies one of the best records the last year one of the great the best breakdown of last year oh yeah this was a no brainer to have them back right yeah I mean that's like another same kind of way like mag like

Starting point is 01:56:47 the energy demo came out and like hit up will instantly i don't even think they played a show yet and i was like please come down to florida and like fucking play like i was like obsessed that shit when he came out and then um i love the dudes in that band i think they're just like a perfect hardcore band and the new record is unbelievable and uh yeah the pit for what hate today dot tomorrow whatever to fuck like come on now man yeah to dun dun dun dun can jen do dun dun dun dun shkatin closing with yeah closing with tank on me was a power move i think that was a power move incredible song and uh yeah they're just the him best.

Starting point is 01:57:20 The H2O shirt. I hope there's not a video of me when he takes his hoodie off and he's just wearing that because I looked and that's all I saw and I just started cracking up immediately. Like I love like, I love strong. I really like the first three records. But just wearing that in 2024, just, I don't, something about it just fucking destroy me. The bit, he's, he's doing a lifelong bit. And it's like, he's very committed.

Starting point is 01:57:44 He's, he's operating on some like Andy Kaufman-esque, really type, type humor, you know? Really? He's a genius, this guy, Mikey. Mind Force is up next. The Kings return to the scene of the crime. And then they did it all over. Yeah, how many pits did they have? I think there were at least two at some point during this one.

Starting point is 01:58:09 Two pits. Mind Force is doing, I think they're kind of their own, like a T-U-I-esque band for this new generation of, core people. Here are these perfectly crafted, perfect sounding, uh, hardcore songs with, with clearly actual things to say. Uh, and then you see him live and it's like, it's not, it's not a,

Starting point is 01:58:33 just a hardcore set. It's like a performance every time. Yeah. Uh, especially at FAA, it seems like. Yeah. I think that, yeah. They might have to be a staple. Yeah. Yeah. I, I mean, I think they want to, and I'm obviously down to have them every fucking year. But after last year, I was like,

Starting point is 01:58:55 God damn, man, I was just like, I don't know how they can top that shit. And then I was actually worried that they were going to like, I was like, dude, the pit is, there's somebody's going to like, just turn the bar on its side and just start stopping people out or something. I was like, I don't know what the fuck's going to happen. And it was just like, it was probably better than last year somehow. The leeway in all war intros, back to back. Like, it's just, yeah, that's like,

Starting point is 01:59:19 a quintessential, like, FYA band to me. That's like perfect. Like, they're just a perfect band. And then, yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:59:25 Every year I just don't get how they can top the prior year. And then it's just like always, I mean, Jay's dad being there. That was really cool. I saw that. Him just just get the fuck off the stage at the end.

Starting point is 01:59:35 Fucking kill me. It was just, uh, they're literally just a fucking best. I would play every show imaginable with my force, given the option. And I plan to. Coyo's up next.

Starting point is 01:59:48 Uh, they had, like a breakout set a couple of... Was that two years ago that they first played? Yeah, I think it was two years ago, yeah. I think that might have been my first time seeing them. And I, like, could not believe it. Really?

Starting point is 02:00:03 Yeah. A new band getting a reaction like that was very telling of like, oh, this is... They're doing something real and it's working. So to see them now with an LP out playing two years later, getting that reaction was awesome. Tell me about putting Coyo on, Bob. That's a lot of bands in their position would just be like, oh, like, yeah, we played some hardcore shows and like whatever it's going to run to whatever the fuck we're doing now.

Starting point is 02:00:26 And they don't need to play this kind of shit. But like, I was like, yo, like, new record's awesome. Like, obviously all these dudes are super involved in hardcore. Joey does 51st state records, like all of them. Like, it's not like they just like left the scene, quote, unquote, behind. And then just, yeah, the set was stage dives the entire time. And I don't want it to just be 38 bands that sound like kickback or, you know, you whatever. like people switching shit up and you know the kids now like you know everything across the board

Starting point is 02:00:55 so I want to like at least try to switch things up like sound wise and they're like a perfect like power clenzer or whatever fuck band to make you know 100% absolutely and they're spin kicking demons in their hearts and their souls you know they're doing they're playing emo because they have to they're spin kicking in their minds no warning is up next what, come on. This is another one of those bands where it's just like, come on. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:24 It's like one of those bands that like, I always wanted to have one that can never really figure it out. Like just with all their shit going on and whatever. And then I had like a couple spots left. I was like, I'll see if like they're somehow down to play, whatever. And they're just like super down. And then that's another thing like TY.

Starting point is 02:01:41 Like, I mean, that fucking record came out 22 years ago, whatever the hell was. And, you know, pretty much every new crop of kids. finds that record and is like psyched on it and then like I've seen them a bunch since they came back and like that that to me like might have been like their best set since I've seen them started playing again and it was just you know playing fourth to last on a Sunday of a long ass weekend and still getting their reaction was it's fucking awesome it's impressive it's impressive it's a testament to the the longevity of those songs yeah in that band no no suffer

Starting point is 02:02:12 survive tracks how do you feel about suffer survive bob you down I loved it when it was kind of like a secret society and then then it became the I mean this is obviously better and I'm like all right man like fucking relax like it's good I like it but it's just not ill blood you know what I mean but I do love that record

Starting point is 02:02:32 I think I like the 7 inch the most really oh I mean fucking day in the light for whatever come on now yeah come on 7 inch rocks my world pit that's that's the one nah nah nah that's my shit

Starting point is 02:02:47 just a great man incredible disgog incredible longevity Jordan wasn't there that was sad but aside from that fantastic military gun is up next having a banner year

Starting point is 02:03:02 good friends of the show one of our favorite records of last year clearly yep this fucking seeing the LP track people knowing all these LP tracks now is awesome

Starting point is 02:03:12 tell me about putting military gun on Bob yeah I mean I did RJC a couple times right when they came out and then I booked them in Philly a bunch and then uh yeah for for military gun it was I kind of was like on the fence last year and like for this year I was like the guy got the got a new record like I want to at least I feel like this would go over well there and then yeah like again same deal like third to last on the fucking Sunday and then the set was still like

Starting point is 02:03:37 that good like again same thing with Coyo like I don't put things on purposefully so it's just like oh I have this many of this kind of band this many this kind of ban but if the shit makes sense and it's like, you know, like I saw him in Philly a couple months ago and like the vibe was awesome and it was like a hardcore show vibe. And like, so I think that combination of things was really good. And yeah, I was like to actually were able to play. Do you ever see, talk to have a conversation with Ian and see and yourself and him at all? Do you, are you saying there's some? Or are you saying, no, I'm saying you, I'm saying you, I'm saying you and Ian have a similar, um, strand of little fucker gene.

Starting point is 02:04:15 the fucker isn't that yeah I think I think it might be there's some there's some kind there might be a distant relation there's something there's something there there's two fuckers dude at last yeah this was great to see obviously we Taco Bell can pay me all day

Starting point is 02:04:37 you know I don't give a shit I'm all about it give it to me you me good job military gun incendiary is up next. The landmark band in the We Can't Tour, so

Starting point is 02:04:51 you're going to see us four times a year maybe book us on your fest is a no-brainer to have at really any fest. They haven't really gotten to play that much since the record came out. You know, I don't know the last time they even played, I think did like the holiday shows in New York or something like that. But yeah, it's

Starting point is 02:05:09 like it's been real rare for them to play out since a record. So them getting to play this was like a pretty big deal and then uh i mean yeah they played i think the first two fways at least fway too and that was like huge for us because like f way a wasn't shit then you know what i mean like they were down to come play and like they had like a really fucking crazy set and like uh those dudes that was when their ascension was just kind of starting oh yeah 2014 or whatever to fuck 2015 13 14 it took it took a while like the first record took forever to catch on yeah and then cost of living was a hit

Starting point is 02:05:45 pretty fast. So it was like, this is right after cost of the living. They're coming out of the Orlando to the back roof. For a band like that, like they've been around since like 2007 or whatever to fuck and they, you know, they are as big as they are and just they're,

Starting point is 02:06:03 they don't have to be as cool to deal with as they are and they're just normal dudes. You know what I mean? Like to me that's... They're so fucking cool, dude. Very easy. They're like the best, just normal ass in the best way possible. Like, no weird allusions or delusions or whatever and like they're just hey you want to play a cool this is what we got to do for it whatever and like we're always like to be there and seeing

Starting point is 02:06:24 them continue to like have the sets they do is like it's obviously hard as fuck like to keep people attention for all this time and like they're always going to crush the rent no matter where they play how genuine they are i think is a big part of that because when we we did a full episode with brenden at f way that'll be up soon um and a big part of that is how when they started, they just wanted to play cool shows on Long Island. Yeah. I think they're just so grateful to still exist that they're going to be cool forever. Because doing what they do, as you know, Colin, is like not easy.

Starting point is 02:07:01 It's very difficult to stay. It kind of tells you how strong the songs are. To be able to stay relevant when you can't play that much in the age where anyone can look up any music at any time. And attention spans are so short, it just, goes to show you that like those songs mean something to people and they're able to to truly an anomaly yeah yeah truly a great one good job in senioria tsunami closing out FYA fest this was a cool move bob I respect this taking taking a young man on the rise and saying this is your this is your time this is your moment putting them at the top tell me about that

Starting point is 02:07:41 yeah I mean dude they did an entire tour of all DIY shit sold out, I think every fucking show, like, they don't hide behind an agent and say, we need this, this, and that, whatever. Like, I fucking texted Joseph and asked him if he'd be down, whatever. And, like, again, same way, like, in Sydney area. Like, dude, a band, like, tsunami, they could easily just be like, oh, we need this,

Starting point is 02:08:02 or we're hiring this guy to do this, that, and the other. And, like, they're, like, the most, like, DIY band of their, like, size. Like, it's actually fucking insane, like, the fact they've been able to stay, like, this way. I mean, Goldsch was the same fucking way. and like all those dudes have like the best outlook on hardcore to me like even at the beginning of day two I was like yo like I technically have a green room if you guys want like to go whatever or whatever and Joseph just looked at me he's like dude no like I had to offer but like that just shows you like

Starting point is 02:08:30 they're not just like yeah we'll be up there we're not going to watch the sets like we're just going to like come down we play like and just everything that their attitude wise is like completely in line like with what I think like hardcore is and should be or whatever and so yeah same way with like I think Demand Pain of Truth made the three time in a row shirt or whatever to fuck and like obviously

Starting point is 02:08:52 I don't like repeats but like like tsunami I'm like dude like again you had the new record this year you busted your ass all year like in all these different spots and like I think it'd be cool to have I was like I don't want it to just be

Starting point is 02:09:05 fucking reunion fest you know what I mean like obviously the newer bands or what is important um so like yeah just putting that in like last So I thought was, I was glad they were like not stress about it. And like, yeah, we'll fuckable headline, whatever.

Starting point is 02:09:18 And then no weird shit with it. And then, you know, they fucking held it down. You know what I mean? So cool. They really did. And I've said it a lot on the show, but like Joseph, Mike, Theo in particular, those are the, they were part of the squad that made Bay Area shows good for so long. Just by just by showing up and moshing.

Starting point is 02:09:40 That's it. That's all you got to do. for the most part. And eventually you're going to be inspired to start your own band. Yeah. And then the work that you've put in in the pit will go towards your band's growth. I swear to God. You've said it a hundred times.

Starting point is 02:09:57 Pitting. Yeah. And they will come. Tsunami is proof. Ben is 16 years old and 6 foot 11. I mean, he's just, he's great at drums and he's cool. But man. we're proud of them.

Starting point is 02:10:14 We're happy for tsunami. Bob, I really respect you putting them at the top. I really respect all the hard work you did on this incredible fest, kick-starting 20-24. You did so good. Yeah, but when does 2025 planning start? I already have a couple of bands for next year, so it's just kind of... Son of a bitch.

Starting point is 02:10:33 Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, I don't want. And it shows. Do you have any long shots? Any Hail Marys you'd throw out there that you could tell us about? Not like a baby out, but yeah. But you do have something where you're like, man, if we could get them.

Starting point is 02:10:51 Oh, absolutely. Good. That's fun. Love that. It's all fun. I mean, we hope to be there again. We really appreciate that the space that you give us there and for having us once again. It goes a long way.

Starting point is 02:11:06 Yeah. This time we, you know, we hope to pay that forward for, you know, we, there's there's incredible fest in this country right now it's it's a good it's there's never been a better time to be into hardcore in america in the world really um and so and you're you're a big contributor to that bob so thank you i appreciate you got plans to play some gigs this year or what um i have no fucking idea i don't know maybe house at the palace still still still a thing we might be playing a show Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 02:11:47 All right. Well, maybe Mother of Mercy is back officially as of today. We brought it back. Bob's back and Mother of Mercy Bob down. He's not into it. He's doing great regardless. Like I said, I think this was the best year overall. I'm like, I just hope that next year can like just keep on building on that.

Starting point is 02:12:07 And then I hope younger kids came away, like, seeing Bamborough. like bullshit and, you know, collateral and other stuff and just kind of, you know, just came away from the fest, liking something they hadn't heard before. And hopefully next year the same thing happens. Oh, we skipped right over, we skipped right over them. I was going to say, yeah. They were on day one. I, for some reason, I skipped right to bring large.

Starting point is 02:12:32 Let's talk about bullshit. They from Finland? Swedish fan. Yes, Swedish. Whoa. I just randomly saw the record posted. I was like, oh, this looks. like it could be cool and I checked it out and I like hit them up was like yo like if you guys want I'll do like a US version of the record so love it and if you guys want like come play up

Starting point is 02:12:51 way they'd be sick and um yeah they're just a perfect hardcore band to me I think they have LP coming this year and uh yeah that that whole Sweden right now is has so many fucking good bands so hopefully them playing makes people check out historically I mean Sweden's like a top 10 musical region yeah yeah it's fucking crazy yeah Right. Of all kinds of shit. That's awesome, man. Bulls shit.

Starting point is 02:13:16 That's our pick for Band of the Week. I skipped over them. So now they're the band of the week on Hardle. Check them out. Hey, Bob, do you have aspirations to move to a bigger venue? Are you content with the size of the fest? It's hard because, like, there isn't really, like, a bigger venue in Tampa. Like, obviously, this isn't even a real venue.

Starting point is 02:13:38 It was just, like, someplace that Robert Goodspeed, actually, who's the fall. fucking man randomly found. I was like, hey, I think this could be cool for the fest. And so that's the only reason to even work like that. But like getting, it's like, to me, this is as big as it can be without feeling like a concert. Like I just wanted to feel like a hall show, like a VFW, but like just on a bigger level. So if something came along and made sense that like I didn't have a stupid fucking barrier or like, because there is like a couple spots in Tampa that are like, yeah, we just can't have stage diving.

Starting point is 02:14:08 Like I'm like, dude, I'm not going to have a fucking festival of stage diving. That's like crazy. but if something made sense, I would do it, but JCC is so awesome to work with and just so like every year they're like, there's a lot of crazy shit that happened. This is awesome. It's so much fun. Can't we do it next year?

Starting point is 02:14:24 Which is, dude, that's a miracle. Yeah, that's crazy. The woman that runs a venue saw somebody dive off the bar, saw people get laid out. She's like, you guys are so crazy, but you're all so polite. And I'm like, hey, man, if you, if you are down for this, I'm down. Yeah. Like, finding, finding a relationship with that.

Starting point is 02:14:41 is like hard venue-wise you what I mean. Yeah. So it's like hard for me to justify leaving but like I said if something came along and it made sense, I would maybe do it but I like where I'm at right now. Beautiful. Is she the is the woman that runs at the smaller lady that unlocked the room for us?

Starting point is 02:14:58 Was she pregnant? Dude, I didn't. I think one of them was. This one was nine and a half months pregnant or something like that. Holy hell. That's half a month too money. Jesus. Well, congrats to her. Mazel.

Starting point is 02:15:13 Yeah, Maas, big, big mausel for the baby. And thank you, thank you both for having us. FYA 2025, we're sponsoring the water, so don't worry.

Starting point is 02:15:22 It's all good. We'll be, we'll be so hydrated, no parchment. After shows, we'll be wrapped up real early. Tight. It's going to be a great year.

Starting point is 02:15:34 We're not going to the castle anymore. We're not being sick perverts. No, no, you go there. They won't acknowledge my man. They're not down. it's over get over it's over just whip each other in private you don't need to be doing it there

Starting point is 02:15:50 sick freaks all right thank you all for listening see you next week bye

HardLore - FYA Fest 2024 (With Bob Wilson)

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