HardLore - GOD'S HATE: Won't Be Disgraced Deep Dive W/ Anna Zanes

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

For the very first time on HardLore, the interviewer becomes the interviewee… Myself, Brody King and Taylor Young of GOD’S HATE sit down with Anna Zanes, who up until just days ago was the editor in chief of Alternative Press, to deep dive into the development and intention of our brand new 12” EP, WON’T BE DISGRACED.In our own words… Won’t Be Disgraced is a dense, urgent collection of 3 songs driven by grief and the state of the greater hardcore community and beyond.Your mind can be your most powerful tool or a weapon used against you in your darkest moments, and the only guaranteed way to fail yourself and your loved ones is to quit.As the world continues to be destroyed from within by greed, religious extremism, and 24 hour news cycles of division and violations of human rights… It has never been more apparent that all we have is each other. Use your hate to make a change. Don’t be disgraced.Dedicated to Bohan Daniel Lueders.You can stream all three songs and pre-order the record now: https://www.godshate.usYou can support a few of the other journalists who were recently laid off below: • https://andrewsacher.substack.com/• https://soundbitesnyc.substack.com/_____________HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.Shot, edited and mixed by ⁠Steven Grise⁠ Title sequence by ⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠ • Join the ⁠HARDLORE PATREON⁠ to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes• Join the ⁠HARDLORE DISCORD⁠ • Get 15% off ⁠DUNABLE GUITARS⁠ with code HARDLORE. Seriously. A guitar. What are you waiting for??? • Get 10% off ⁠⁠⁠MILLS VINTAGE⁠⁠⁠ site-wide with code HARDLORE.____________00:00:00 - Start00:01:25 - Introducing Anna Zanes00:04:13 - Picking Up Where God's Hate Left Off00:10:07 - The San Fernando Valley00:12:36 - Colin Meeting Brody, Starting God's Hate00:17:33 - Everything Comes From Somewhere/God's Hate Lineups Through the Years00:22:24 - God's Hate Lyrics, Having Faith in Your Writing00:28:15 - WON'T BE DISGRACED01:04:24 - Pardon This Interruption....01:07:46 - What "Job" Must Be Finished?01:16:25 - Creating Hateful Music "Out of Love"01:23:44 - Does Art Require Pain?01:33:30 - What's Next For God's Hate?01:37:07 - Deciding On The 3 New Songs & Finishing This Record01:45:10 - Favorite Extreme Musical Songwriters01:47:10 - Shutting Out Music When Writing01:51:10 - What is "Being Harder?

Hey everybody, thank you so much for joining us this week for this very unique episode with us, God's Hate. But before we get into that, we wanted to bid goodbye to the Midnight Hour Records. This has been home for hardcore in the San Fernando Valley, our hometown for the last five years. We just played our record release on 818, the day before you're, two days before you're seeing this. It was beautiful. It is surreal to think we will never be in that room again. and I'm so grateful for all the shows we've played in there, the people that have seen us there. For Sergio and Alyssa, who ran the venue,

I cannot imagine where Harkor in the Valley would be without it. I can't imagine where God's hate would be without it. We're so grateful. And I hope you enjoyed this very unique episode. It's hard lore time. How are you doing, Bo? You crushed that. It was a great job.

Very good. I'm sure you're all wondering what the hell's going on here. and there's a very simple explanation. Anna, my good friend Anna Zanes over here was the editor of Alternative Press very recently, and we spoke about doing a special little piece on the new God's Hate Record, Won't Be Disgraced, that came out yesterday.

As you may have heard, alternative press, revolver, Brooklyn Vegan, and Goldmine were gutted from within by their corporate ownership, and basically everybody was like, off? Save for a few. Save for a few. Anna, being such a talented journalist who I respected and admire so so much,

I realize, wait a minute, I own a music publication, and we can still do this, so I will hire her for the day to do this on my music publication. And anybody watching, there are so many talented journalists who are just laid off, who would love the work, who have been championing, underground music, hardcore music for years. They all have substacks. They've got outlets of their own.

Please find them. I'll try to link some below. And on that note, Anna's going to take it from here. I'm just, I'm the bride. I'm the guy over here. I'm on the other side today. You're the bride? I'm the bride.

Finally. Bridezilla. Always the bride. Which one of us? I guess I got to be the groom. That'd be kind of weird. 100%. Best man.

Well, I'm really excited to be here. And to be here with you guys and to have seen you guys yesterday was such a treat at Sun and Fury. It really was. Our boogers are still black. Yep. It's like a long time to get out. Our boots are still dirty from the dust and the wind. Thanks for being there.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I was saying I was like across the park when you guys started. And me and everybody around me started running across the park to the stage. Beautiful. When we heard you guys get on stage. And it was awesome. How did it feel?

Really good. I think we over-practiced just in case It's the least nervous I've been in a long time Yeah So that sample that we ran a little Because twitching tongues has played three songs And then we hit the sample

Which is part of two Songs on the Fellowship of the Rings soundtrack Which is In Dreams And May It Be, the Enya song But they're in two different keys So I had to pitch shift The May It Be one to match in Dreams perfectly so that it ended

with that giant crescendo. And I thought I was like, I'll be fine. And then I was just weeping during this fucking Lord of the Rings thing. But, and then I just looked around and I saw my best friends. Gandalf. Yeah.

And the Legolus walks down, ah, that guy. And it felt very good, very surreal. Did it feel like you picked up right where you left off or does it feel like the beginning of something new? I mean, it's funny because it's like, obviously my job. I'm in front of a big crowd every week,

but there's something so different about performing hardcore music specifically. And, you know, I feel like it's something that you don't realize that you miss until you start doing it again. And then it's like, we've taken the whole last year off, and that's the most time we've taken off since we started a band over 10 years ago. And playing last night was like, this is what I'm here for. You know, I mean, like, I am one, first I'm a hardcore kid. Second, I'm a wrestler. And that's like, that's the way it goes.

That's what my passion is. And, yeah, that was like everything I could have wanted in a performance. In a way, it was both. Because I think people didn't know yet that it was something new. So there's a special, like, we have a little secret as we're doing it and picking up where we left off. Because it was just three songs we would play at any show ever, no matter what. It felt really good.

But now it's something new. And the reason we didn't play for 13 months was just like, okay, we need to be distractionless as we work on something new. And I think I hoped to have more done by now. You've got a couple more. You've got a couple more. Thank you. Thank you.

There is more and it's awesome. But for now, as the world turns to absolute shit in all ways, I think it felt most important for us to do something together sooner and do something good sooner. Life's too short to wait around for the whole album. Exactly. And get it out by 818. You know. Yeah.

That's just magic. That's called serendipity, you know? Yeah. Well, I'm curious also because you said you're a hardcore kid first, and you guys all, you know, that's the groundwork is like 818. And being from New York, I know my hardcore scene, but I don't know yours. And I'm curious, like, if you can tell me more about, like, coming up and that and what that means. and incredibly diverse incredibly welcoming incredibly violent and all those things are like there's a

beautiful synchronicity between them all and some people don't get it and they don't come back some people get it and they stay forever there it's just outside of la city where it's like i'm not fucking going out there people from here also used to drive a chain every weekend and pomona so i feel like the big thing about what people don't realize about the valley and why we rep it so hard is because, you know, it's kind of the same thing when people, when you're talking to people, they're like, oh, I'm from L.A. And then you start talking about it, they're actually from fucking Michigan. You're like, you're a transplant. It's like all of L.A. hardcore is actually the Valley hardcore. Like, we are the ones that have, like, champion the scene for years. And, like,

the staples of the scene are probably, they're either from the I.E., like Nate Zabal or they are from the Valley. Or they're secretly from Oxnard. Yeah. Or they're from Santa Barbara Oxnard. It's like, they're either from. Like, there's very few people that are from like LA proper that like... Yeah, it's like rotting out. But they're from Long Beach. Like, San Pedro. Yeah, San Pedro.

Yeah. That's true. It's like there's no one from LA hardcore. It's like all of these diverse groups like bonding together. And it's like, I feel like specifically, I mean, I grew up in Palmdale, Lancaster area, which is like 45 minutes north of here. And coming to Valley shows when I was like 17, 18 years old, that was like, it was a completely different thing. Like this was like real hardcore, you know what I mean?

And I feel like you kind of had to earn your stripes in this scene to like stick around. But then once you were in, it was like, you know, yesterday at Sound In Fury, we, so I took a photo with Caesar and Goosey and all those. Like these are guys that I've been friends with for 20 years now. It's like, it's like I've been friends with them for 20 years now. It's like, and these are all people that when you make that bond, it never breaks after that. And we didn't have to earn stripes with each other with our, with our peers.

It was just kind of like, oh, we're in the same room. We're friends. Yeah. We met at hardcore. We met at hardcore. And it was legit, like, early days at the Colbaugh Cafe for us as showgoers. Like, we knew everyone in the room, including the guy who was getting his ass beat every week because he just could not help himself, you know? It was the same guy.

It was like, you just did this yesterday. He would, like, start a fight and then bolt out the door. And then, like, the whole show would go out the door, too. And stay out. did. Yeah, you know, you know everybody and that still exists today. We've been without a hub, like a central hub venue for a long time and then the midnight hour opened in 2021. 2021. 2020, was our comeback show. They had the smaller store. Was it 20, I think 2020. Yeah, but 2022 was the, we were the second show there. We did that like pop up like that. That was

21. That was the record. Yeah. In 2022, the midnight hour opens and starts doing shows and like the Valley has this beautiful home hub again. And I think that these have been like four of the most important years for hardcore in the Valley ever just because there's such a like unique, beautiful place, welcoming place for everybody to go. Ran by hardcore kids. Ran by hardcore kids. Vegan, trade edge, hardcore kids. And that is sadly closing doors this month.

So hopefully for Not a long time Obviously they will change location But hopefully they will Want to do shows again and be able to Maybe There's something about like it's really simple If somebody's like there's a new band

I'm like that's cool There's a new band from the valley I go excuse me? Yeah It's it goes a long way Yeah I guess it kind of Maybe you guys just answered this But like more sonically as well

Like a question I asked I asked Davey Havick this and now I ask everybody, like, how can I hear the Valley in your music? Very interesting. You can't. It's tough because the Valley to me is piece by piece. Like, period. Peace by Peace, peace, terror.

Human garbage. In general affairs, human garbage. They are the Jayhands of the Sound. The mayor of the San Fernando Valley is the singer of human garbage. That's right. Not voted in. Yeah. Voting by us.

Yeah. Yeah. The sovereign ruler, if anything. It's tough. We are not that sonically. But things change. Things evolve. We've done our own thing as individuals for so long. That was supported by those OG champions of the Valley. Like Corey Williams from Internal Affairs, always the most supportive, always just being like, you guys are doing great, don't change the thing. So we didn't.

Yeah, well, first band had blast beats and he loved. First band had blast beats. This is very much musically an evolution from ruckus, which was Taylor and I's first real band together. There's still some things that we do where I'm like, that's so ruckus. When did you start that? That was 2007.

Seven, yeah. See, I feel like there's a little, there's a humbleness to them that you can't, that they can't speak on, or because they probably don't even realize it. But it's like, I would say sonically God's hate is, a lot of Valley because of the Young Brothers, because like, you know, things like twitching tongues and ruckus and like all of these other bands that they've spawned that have drawn attention to Van Nuys hardcore, you know what I mean? And that from there, you know, with Taylor having the Pitt recording studio, he's put on bands like human garbage and all of these other Valley bands that come to him to record.

So it's like I feel like without the Young Brothers, you wouldn't really have this like big presentation of. Valley hardcore. Thanks. Okay. I love you. See, you know, I've been a weird. Love you too.

So when you started God's hate, like there was, do you feel like you were reacting to something that wasn't there? 100%. And also, we've been best friends since I was 14 years old and he was 16, 17. Yeah. How did you meet? Hardcore. Yeah.

Goval Cafe. Probably, like, bumped into each other midpitting. I was like, this is the biggest young, this is the biggest kid I've ever seen. And then it was probably, and I think like a week later it was like, you want to hang out forever? Yeah. And that's what we did. And he moved, but there was a 10 year run where we went to Wingstaff or in and out like twice a day. Twice a day?

Yeah. Like one of what was one. It was one of the other. We alternated. We alternated sometimes lunch and dinner. And then we'd get in arguments and it would be, fuck you what's for dinner. Do you remember what the first bands that you, like, bonded over were? Well, you were both mosher to fight everyone.

Yeah, 100%. Before I joined Fight Everyone, I was merely a child. Which is the band that I was in. Yes. I was, like, designated Mosher and they were just the bands. So I was like, whatever bands they were doing, I was the one in the pit. So I was like, you know, ruckus. Sometimes alone.

Yes. For Twitch's first show, you can look up the video. He's alone out there. But God's say it was very much a response to, I want to, to do a band with my best friend. You learn to play guitar. Learn to play guitar for the band. I had dabbled.

Sorcerous Pledge, you know, I'm two-finger power-cording. It was all on the acoustic guitar. It was all acoustic guitar. There's a couple TT riffs that I was like, what have you done? Voluntary confinement was 100%. That was acoustic. I was like, all right, song's pretty good, I guess. Thank you.

Thank you. Put on the record. But to actually play guitar, I've learned just to do a band with Brody. and that's kind of the goal has evolved because Anthony is the only other original member but that was like he's the best guy of all time and we just liked being around him so I was like all right obviously Anthony is in and then things evolve over time but yeah the the initial goal was just give him this like legendary local mosher which is those make the best front men. He had bands. He did. Yeah, he was in sleepwalkers. A band. Yeah, he had a band called

sleepwalkers. This was 20. With the mayor. 12, 11. Yeah, with the mayor. And what happened? With Aldo and Guzzy. I had, I had a breakup and I was not the nicest person to be around. And like, we went on a tour and I was just being a prick. And after the tour, Aldo called me. He's like, hey, man, I love you. You are one of my best friends, but I don't want to be in a band with you. I was like, all right, and I got kicked out of the band. Anthony didn't even know that I was kicked out, which was the funny part. You still getting shit for that. Yeah, like a week later, Colin was like, hey, we're starting a band.

And then I was like, okay, can Anthony be in it? And he's like, yeah, sure. Fuck, yeah. So that's, yeah, that's really how it started. It was a response to like, okay, my best friend really deserves to have a sick band. And I would like to learn guitar. Also, like, Sleepwalkers was like, I just wanted to be in a band. It did not represent you.

Represent who I was, yeah. Gotta say it represents who I am. Yes, it does. So when you guys got together for the first time and you're like, we're starting a band, what was that like? Very similar to what it is today. Musically.

I don't like to, like, hey, let's all get together and jam. I don't think it's like, that's just not my way of being conducive. Enter the room with songs. Yeah, I like to be like, I've arrived and I have this. What do you think?

So the first 7-inch Divine Injustice, which is basically our demo, was like, okay, I've got this guitar now. I'm going to learn how to write riffs. I've already been in this band that's done a lot. I think I know how to write songs at this point. And it was just, it felt great. I'd still love every song on that record. We still play two of them. There's no bad tracks.

Thank you. Yeah, it was just kind of like, this is what's missing. It's not missing at all anymore. And maybe that's our fault in a way. What do you mean by that? It's a good problem. It is a good problem. At the time, there was just no bands.

So the mission statement was like, let's Troy, Troy, Troy, California, or Troy, New York is what. That's where we're, yeah. It's the band eyes of New York. That is the sound that we were like going for, bands like stigmata and dying breed. and wartime manner and like these bands that like they never had like a big platform like a lot of people didn't know who they were like stigmato is probably the most popular and like they were big in troy yeah and it's like let's create a band that is paying yeah homage to these guys and

Troy is the ultimate like there's something in the water scene where it's like how is this group of freaks doing this it's violent and it's but it's like it's so stupid and it's so smart at the same time It's like, not Scott's hate. Yeah, that's got to hate. When you guys say you're like paying homage to someone, because there's also like the marauder references and things like that, how do you take that and like do it differently? What's your approach to that?

Sometimes we're just taking, we don't do it differently. Sometimes we don't do it. But a lot of the time, it's very simple. I mean, writing a song, like everything comes from somewhere, and that's universally applicable. Play something backwards, and it's the same thing, but it's different. It's change a little bit, and there's going to be people that go like,

that sounds like that and you go yeah it's that because they got it from this and I know that um and that's that's kind of why bands that pull only from like modern influences don't click the same or resonate the same or have that kind of like timeless effect because they're not really understanding the context of where that is coming from but we we're pulling from like the roots of metallic hardcore music seek the source I also I also love when when people hear a song and they go, man, that's fucking Troy as fuck. And then knowing Collins, like, his running hole of where he pulled from, I'm like, that ain't even close, brother.

It is not even in the same genre. That riff is from the Batman versus Superman's core. In terms of like the physicality of your band as well, was that something like that you felt like was missing? Yes. Yeah. I mean, swag is everything. Yeah.

We, we, I would say part of the mission statement was to, have a band that everyone could just be the most violent to. Because like, you know, at the time we had created this great bond with like all the guys from Long Island hardcore and like they have legendary mosher's and like all of these, all the guys from California and it's like we just wanted everyone to accept it as like this is the pit band. Like this is the band where you just like, whoop ass to. God take King Nine criminal instinct.

We're kind of, we view that as like the modern trainer. of like different kinds of musical violence where it's like these songs are built for the purpose of dancing, you know, dancing with your friends. Physicality on stage, I played guitar at first, and it was like physicality first playing second.

I was not very good, but I make it work. You look cool doing it. But I wanted to, do you see the picture? Long hair was cool. Long hair work. There was an illusion, you know? Yeah, we like, moving around. We're Mosh's first

musician's second. And it goes along. Colin has been confined to the drums. It's just, he writes songs in a way that nobody else except for Kail Sane could have played them. And unfortunately, Kail's not with us any longer. He also got kicked out of the band twice. He didn't get kicked out of the band. We just

kept letting him back in and we're like, all right, fine. And Colin back, I'll play bass now. We're like, nope. Get back to the drum set. For the LP, I know that we're bearing off here, but um kale that was like a hundred percent lived in my brain until the second we recorded it so it was like kale i literally can't teach you this i have to just do it you're out of the band and uh and he was like i understand and he was in ghost main at the time so it was like he didn't have time for anything as is but yeah that's how that happened physicality great stuff you need it go crazy play a second

it's all about presence like i feel like i i feel like i took a lot from hardcore and applied it to wrestling. It's like when you see someone come out and they just look like a crazy person, like caveman, like I'm interested. I'm interested. Like the first time I saw Colin of Arabia, like, I was like, this dude is wearing like a baby doll shirt, blue t-shirt, and he is a psychopath. And a chain around his neck and he's talking about how you have to earn black flag bar tattoos like military shirts.

Yes, sir. Like, sir, yes, sir. It's cool something I've ever heard. Affirmative. Yeah. And that's like, yeah, presence is everything. That's like the first thing. The first thing they see is you. And it's like, if that doesn't capture them right away, then you failed. Swag is unfortunately important. You know, music, music should be first, but it's like second first, you know? It started first. You had a record before there was anything. You played a two songs before the record was out and it was lit. It was lit, but for no reason. And then and then the record came out and everybody liked to. the record first. So it was still music first, I think. I mean, to me, I will always, I will,

I only, I only really care about making the record at the end of the day. Like the, the live performance is like, okay, we did it once. I'm ready for the next, I'm ready to get back to writing. Lately, that has not been the case. So I think I'm so jazzed

on how last night was that I'm just, I want to play everywhere, you know? I also feel like, I mean, maybe it's just because, like, I'm somebody who focuses on words for my job like the lyrics for y'all are like just as like hard it's that's always been something that I've really appreciated about your band yeah what a what a journey those are it's a melding of all three of our minds yeah every god's hate song goes through each filter of all of us no no yeah this part sucks this part sucks no this is good this is a cool concept yeah it always ends up in a

good place. I feel like for a lot of the, like, especially I was self-titled and like mass murder and divine justice, I would come up with a concept. I'm like, hey, I want this song to be about this. And then it's like, I would have like parts and then Colin would like write the structure of it. And then like Taylor would be like, you should never say these things. And then like, then we all kind of just scrunch it together.

Every, I remember on mass murder vividly that every bridge of every song, I would go to the bathroom for 45 minutes because we would have eaten. something horrific for lunch and come out with the bridge of the song. Yeah. So something about Cupid's Hot Dogs when you're making a record really conducive to an epic bridge. RIP. There's sometimes, too, where I just cannot. I think it's gone.

I can't see the vision in what the song is going to become. Be harder. Be harder. Nobody believed me. Like, okay, so I had heard, like, Violence Unlimited and finish the job, and you're like, these are the craziest songs I've ever heard. heard of my life. Like, these songs are the hits. And it's like, be harder is just like somehow without vocals on it was

just like so, such a sleeper track for me. And Colin's like, nope, this is the one. I'm like, I don't think I felt that way. Yes, he did. You did, Justin did too. Everybody did. Everybody. And then and then I don't think I did. And then we built the song and did the vocals and it was like, holy shit, this is the one. At what moment did you feel that way? The second I put the vocals on it. The second we heard it back, it was like, goddamn genius is right. No, because I always love the Mosh part. The Mosh part's good.

But that was one where it was like, I always know, for God's Hayes especially, what track one is. And now it has begun to paralyze me because I used to go like, oh, I wrote this awesome song and it's track one for sure. And now it's like, I start writing it and I'm like, oh, no, this is track one. I have to really hunker down. Now I have to write a new one. Now I have to write a goddamn new one.

We'll get to that in a minute. The problem with God's hate, and he kind of hinted at it a little bit earlier, was when he comes in, he doesn't come in with a song. He comes in with a full record. And he does this thing where he go, yeah, I have the whole record written. You're like, okay, did you demo? He goes, no, it's all in my head. And you're like, this is bullshit. Nobody can do that.

I'm different now, though. Well, now you have an actual office that you can play. Now I'm play pro-God, dude. But like, mass murder, you're like, no, it's all. Yeah, that did not exist. And then you're like, this is bullshit. And the guy goes in the studio and he lays down 10 drum tracks first. And you're like, how is somebody compartmentalizing this in their brain?

And then it just, it works. Self title. That was okay. Mass murder was kill. And like, you know, jumping ahead a little bit, but won't be disgraced. I've heard the riff or won't be disgrace for three years now. Four years. Four years now.

July 2020. But it was in the office when I wrote. And it's like, the reason that the record. took this long is because he couldn't finish the song. Yes. The one song. And it's also because he, it's literally like a crippling disease in his brain that like he finally has started just going, okay, these are the two versions I have in mind.

What do you guys think of this? And then we pick one and he goes, actually, neither of those are the version. This is it. And it's like, but him able to like vomit it out of his brain, I feel like is helpful. Progress. Progress is good. But yeah, it's writing. I wouldn't call it writer's block.

It's like the possibility is paralyzing to me. It's literally called option pro-alysis. That's a real term. That's me. I was watching The Conjuring Last Rites. I can't tell you a second of what happened in this movie because I was writing riffs the whole time. And it was this song where I was like, what do I do?

I was like, damn, Patrick Wilson is so handsome. This power couple, I'll miss them so much. I can't hear a word they're saying because this song is playing my head the whole time. And that's kind of like... Is that the newest Conjuring movie? It's horrible. It's so bad.

But I'll miss him. Yeah? Progress. Dionism. It's over? No, it's over. It is funny. Like, Colin, I feel like, gets this, like, wave of creative, like, expression that, like, he has to get out of, like, for won't be disgrace.

He said that he was in IKEA, and he's, his wife's talking about a cat, and he's like, what, you have to stop talking. You have to stop. I have the whole song. That was I Am The Cure. Oh. I Am The Cure was Walking Around IKEA. And my wife was mid-sentence, and I was like, I need you to pause. Because the whole song is entering my brain right now.

Okay. Yeah, she was like, I'll go look at the lamps. Yeah, it's, it's, I think it was like fucking Neil Young or some shit. Who said, I don't remember who it was. You'll have to look at it. You'll have to look at it. Where we said, if I knew where the good songs came from, I'd go there more often. Mm-hmm.

And I truly have no idea. Like, I would say, I have no idea. When I sit down with purpose to write something, nothing happens. Same. Also. Yeah, I get that. I mean, I'm the same way.

Writing is when you are like, I'm going to do this. It sucks. Which is like, one of my questions, too, is like, there's an interview with Trent Rosner. He's talking about Downward Spiral. And he's like, I like come up with the concept of the album. And then I write the songs within that. And that happens a lot. Versus writing songs and then stringing them together.

So the song was called Won't Be Disgrate. before a riff was written. It was like, I have to write, won't be disgraced. Because, so the idea we had when we finished the last record was that the next, we had the title already

so that the God's hate won't be disgraced felt like a complete sentence. The two records together. Which also is a throwback to the demo. The demo, yeah. And it was a reference to Fury 5, so thank you Fury 5 for that.

Don't get mad at us. We love you. That was what the next LP was going to be called because there was no plans for any kind of single or anything. And that was the other thing. That was the cause of the paralysis. Was like, we can't do anything because this song has to be track one of the LP.

And then my friend dies, and everything changes. And it's like, let's just do something for the world and for us. Because who knows how fucking long we have on this is how long we have. So should we get into the EP? We can, yeah, that's it. Okay, so I, there were a few things that you said about songs, which, like, questions about songs.

Like, what was the reason this song needed to exist? What am I trying to say? What am I trying to do? If it doesn't evoke some kind of emotion, what's the point? So if you can answer your own questions, you guys can get into that. I would love to. This EP is so sick. Thank you so much. It's so good. Won't Be Disgraced has evolved a lot. It was much more, fuck you.

the burn the world aspect of it was much more grand. We made a shirt. We've been teasing this for like years and nobody knows. We made a shirt for the Outbreakfest show last year that has old lyrics on it. That was like the old concept. That was kind of like political power, rain supreme type shit. And then, you know, that can stay. Yeah, still fuck the world.

The sentiment is the same. But the bow of it all. the world being in the shambles that it is and everything being so divided and me loving youth of today and Bo loving youth of today was just like a, I think we need our own

hateful youth crew unity anthem through the lens of this disgusting violent song. Fuck the world don't let it disgrace you. Exactly. It's not like where it's not just like like God's hate won't be disgraced. It's like, no, you shouldn't be disgraced by the bullshit that

we encounter every day. It was a very cathartic thing to make. These two songs, and this EP in general, I feel like is 90% Colin. Like, we kind of let him take this journey through, like, his emotions and feelings with, like, obviously what happened with Bo and, like, how he's feeling about all that. And letting him express that through, yeah, express that through this record to have, like, a jumping off point for whatever's to come with the rest of the songs. So thank you guys. Yeah, well, of course. We still told him that some of the lyrics

sucked and we still changed some of those. There was a little too much youth crew in it first. Yeah, because I do not like youth at today. That's a little bit of a joke. But, you know, I'm not as much of a, hey, let's go guys. Cammack, yeah. Which that's, you know, this

is, I'm the fuck the world part. Yeah, exactly. But the be, you know, be harder is like, It's an empowering, It's an empowering, like, aggressive. We want you to do better, you know? And, you know, like, somebody came out to me yesterday, and they were like, I love when people come up to me

and tell me how much that song means to them and how it's gotten them through so much. And I feel like won't be disgraced. It's like even more of that. It's like, we know how you're feeling. We've experienced loss in that way. Don't let that happen to you. Yeah.

And the bridge of the song. is like everything I've felt and like things I want to say to me you know so and I can't so we can say it to everybody else and uh keep climbing the mountain

yeah this the EP definitely is like a lot of your work before is like very outward and there's some the inward it is we're inside now

yeah it's yeah I got I also got very emotional reading the lyrics. Thank you. We're also coming out as a straightage band, finally, formally. So we're coming out. We've come out.

We're straightage. Post-Martine. He's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to hear nothing about it. Yeah. Five out of six, come on.

We need him. Yeah. Revolving Straitge over 20 years at this point. I don't even think about it. So it's like, yeah. I feel like Jay Puget said it the best. And he's like, I don't think of drinking alcohol like I don't think of hitting myself on the nuts.

And that's like, I was like, holy shit. I've never heard somebody. Yeah, it's like, I've never heard anyone like put it like that. I'm like, that's exactly how I feel. It's like, it doesn't even cross my mind. It's never a conscious thought. And I think straight edge now more than ever, period. Yeah.

And it's like, now more than ever, we need it. When there's bands that are just like yelling straight edge, I'm like, this is my favorite band. I love it. Finally. Because I think we've been in a straight edge drought for a long time. But we need it now more than ever. And whenever you're ready, you let me know.

especially violent straightage violent straightage and you know i love i love youth crew straightage but those guys break all the time where earth crisis every single all original members all still straightage carl's the goat carls the goat on we can get in it we can get in the minute on who's on the record yeah that won't be disgrace very inward i am the cure very inward and very outward of like you don't have to do this and obviously we know that like like like addiction is a disease. And it's not, it's not something you can just turn off.

It's, but it, but it's, there is a support system there of your peers and your family and your friends who want you to do better. And obviously if you're just the guy who likes to party every now and then, who cares? Have a great time.

Yeah, I feel like it's more about like, you know, obviously the, the acceptance of alcohol and drugs. And it's just like, yeah, when you turn 21,

you get to drink. it's like, why is that something you should look forward to? Like, fuck that. Like, that shouldn't be such a socially, like, acceptable thing. You know, I mean, like, obviously, like, if you drink or whatever, that's fine. But it's like, you know, then that leads down to a path of, like, alcoholism or drug addiction and, like, all these other things. And it's, like, I feel like these things can exist, but I don't need to be as, like,

welcoming as they seem. And you ever watch a movie and there's a scene where, like, the main character's getting, like, way too drunk? and you're watching it like something bad's going to happen. You're never watching it like, this is going to be awesome. Yeah. He's about to have a great night. This is going to be such a sick night.

That never happens. And I think you should apply that to your life and realize, listen, we're not here to Realization is first time. We're not here to judge. It is personal. Straight edge is a deeply personal thing, but as personally straight-edge guys for 20-plus years, it's something we don't think about. And we just want everyone in our lives to live longer.

I also, you know, there's plenty of people in my life that I know that, like, I'm thankful that you spoke weed because if you didn't, it would not be good. You know what I mean? 100%. Yeah, it's like, there's obviously. I'm so glad Luis Hernandez broke. Everyone else. Thank you. Luis, keep the weed up.

Every time I see him, he's got some new weed with him. I'm like, is this a good weed? And he's like, this is great. And I'm like, I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. You're happy. Yeah.

It's great. I love, I love when certain people break edge, it's like, man, good for you. You really need it. that. But for us it is a thing, it's a, it's a passive thought, passive decision at this point, but a conscious, an active thought lyrically for the first song. And why now do you feel like, I mean, is it? It just felt so good, didn't it? It's, oh boy.

Yeah. And again, I think we've been in a straight-edge drought. And we, I don't think we, I think there was one day where we were like, oh, we're all straight-a-s except Martina, that's crazy. Like we didn't think about the fact that we were basically as we're as we were. And then we realized we were. So I was like, let's just be one. Yeah. And peers and elders are dying left and right.

And now fentanyl, I think, is like the number one cause of death in the country. It's overtaken cancer. And it's just this completely avoidable thing. So, and I know when I was young and I, and I discovered. Robert Straitage and heard a band that I was like, oh, this band is incredible. What is that? It just made me want to dig deeper. And he was straight edge when I was a kid.

And I thought he was my hero. He's the coolest guy ever. And he did all this cool shit. So I was like, well, of course I'm going to do that because my brother did it. So if we can be the older brother for anybody out there, we'd love that. It's the best, Tritage. It rules. Yeah, it's really special because not every, like,

like genre or scene has like an ideology. That's true. That's literally true. And it like, it's such a unifying thing and it makes it so cool. And that was definitely something that like drew me to hardcore as well. No, I'm not. I mean, weapon X did a gaiti rip at Santa Feary and it just said, life is hard, be straight edge. I'm like, it's all of everyone.

That's basically what the song is about. Yeah. Yeah, no. And the beauty. of hardcore is that like you go from the pit to the stage generally if you're around long enough you meet and befriend everybody and that was we were so welcomed as kids and then it was like oh you guys play music okay come play the show and just just keep coming around keep making stuff please make stuff and play drums yeah play drums yeah we need you uh yeah it's it is like the only genre

where you're guaranteed to do more if you just stick around. My favorite thing is whenever we're planning these 8-1-8 shows, it's like, who's the young band that's trying, or who's the new band, like, doing more? And it's like, I feel like it's been a little while since we've had, like, a young, young band, but it's, like, Firestarters start today. It's like, these kids are, like, 18 to 20 years old,

and they're just crushing it. And, like, let me start today. This went on a full U.S. tour with terror, and like one of them paused high school to like go on tour and like that's like the coolest thing in the world to me and you can like there I see me in their eyes because I can talk to them you ask them about some like obscure long island seven inch and they're like yeah I know track three is insane and I love you you know you're the best um so as long as passionate young people are playing hardcore music it will literally it is possible that it will die.

We need more. We need more. Yeah. I feel like the last few years I've been seeing more and more kids. The median age, I think pre-COVID for like a new hardcore kid was like 24. Yeah. 27. 27 sometimes.

And now I think it is it is a young people's game again. Yeah. And that's how it needs to be. I saw gorilla biscuits a couple months ago. It was like kids with braces. It was like, it was insane. It was so cool. That's how it's, that's, that was what I was used to.

Yeah. Everybody in the room was. I was always the youngest person in the room, but like not by much. So I still, when I still feel like the youngest person in the room, I'm freaked out. Yeah. We got to skew this younger, guys. You mentioned the 10% Harm's Way. Yes.

Warriors will reign. Track three on this is the OG Harmous Way banger. This is the song that made me a fan. I remember hearing it on their MySpace when I was in, 11th grade. These guys also like kickback. Yeah, exactly. And it was like, it was like, okay,

A, I want to be friends with this band. B, this is my new, this is like my modern goat. Like the fact that a band exists like this and they, and that I, that is, they're straight edge. And they're so anti-religious. Dude, they have everything I align with. And if you go back to Hardlore episode one, there is a story about a Harmsway show that I go to.

this is where I met the band, where when the breakdown of this song hits, I toss a chair across the room and implode this show and close this venue forever. And it was this very song. In Riverside? In Riverside.

It felt like this very poetic thing. It was a very fast conversation in the group chat. It was like, all right, guys, we're going to do this single. What do we do? How about Warriors? I'm in. Cool. Yeah, fuck it.

Yeah, let's do it. And then it was just those two songs for a minute, and then it was like, we need another song. Let's do it. Okay, here it is. It's done. But Warriors was no-brainer, like instant thought. And on the song, on one word, I won't tell you where, I'll just let you guess. It features James Pliggy and Chris Mills from Harmsway, as well as Mark Porter from Floor Punch, Carl Beakner from Earth

Crisis and Ray Capo, youth of today. So sick. The Avengers. Straight in the other songs. I feel like, you know, like you said, Criminal Instinct, King Nine, got to say,

that was always like the triangle of like what we've always kind of had. But if it was a square, Harmsway would be the four. Armsway are kind of our elders musically. Yeah. They've been a band for so long.

Yeah. Because I remember Rainfest 2009. Yeah. We all went up there and it was. like Dan Sealy. Like everyone that became God's hate, criminal,

and singing, we were all in the pit for harm's way. And it's like, you know, Harm's way as a band and as people, we couldn't be more morally,

ideologically, like in line with those guys. Like, those are our brothers forever. And like being able to like send warriors to James and he's just like, fuck yeah, that sounds awesome.

It's like, yeah, that's, you're the man. I mean, pretty good. Something in my age. Yeah. You might not realize when you, like, looking at Harm's Way, they're kind of standoffish people on tour. And Bo being the single outgoing member.

And we are too. They will never meet another person, actually, without Bo. We probably are, too, but, like, we had never bonded with a band that fast. And it was a thing where, like, I heard Warriors, and I was like, I'm going to be friends with this band. And the guitar player's tumbler is interesting. Harm's wayhead, Harmsway head, Beau. God's hate has me.

Yeah. Like, Colin is now an outwardly social person, but wasn't at one time. That's true. He was very much an arm's full. Like, fuck all these people that don't like twitching tons. His empire. What happened? It's been a rough ride, you know?

A lot of haters out there. Now they're paying their respects. Exactly. It's fine. But then we Taylor toured with Harmsway with Nails in 2010. Well, when we had that plan and Andrews sought me out to be like, hey, I love everything you do, we're going on tour. And that was the real beginning.

Andrew Morrissey, one of the greats. And then Taylor got home from that, and I was like, how was Harm's Way? I love him so much. And he was like, they're great, you're going to love Bo. And then I met him in the parking lot of Sound and Fury. We had a very nice conversation. He doesn't remember it. It's come back.

And then that we did a European tour together, Twishing Tungers in Harm's Way, and I exist. in the summer of 2013 that soared us together for life because it was such a miserable experience. Not sleeping for 32 days amongst 12 people will make you friends for life somehow. It's not enemies. I don't remember the story.

I'm pretty sure you do. But apparently the first time I met by, I just instantly made fun of them. 100%. What did I say to him? I don't, I don't, you... I like walked in the room and just like...

Probably called him Captain Dumbass or something. Yeah, I just like ribbed them instantly and that was just like the basis of our friendship forever. That's true. And then we made the group chat, shit on Bo, Happy Hour. That was just me, Brody, and Bo. Well, it started as like as an untitled group chat and then like one day he was just like,

all you guys do in here is shit on me. And then it was just like instantly the title was shit on Bo Happy Hour. And it was like, well... But then it was like, that chat was exclusively him being like great match, Brody. Yeah. You know?

It was the best. He was the number one supporter of all things that his friends did. And that's what this record is, kind of. Yeah. It's a tribute to him. It's a tribute to him all around. That's definitely evident. Yeah.

The sample at the end of Warriors. A little warning would have been nice. Apologies for that. But those are all like my favorite moments from that three-hour thing that we did where we interviewed each other. condensed down to sound like one singular thought to just have him there forever within his own song saying these things that

I hope he's remembered by yeah so they sent a mix of obviously all the songs that sample was on it and then they sent the master and there was no warning and it was like I get to the end and then that hits and just like me driving the car like trying out to like burst into tears It's like, did I show my wife? And then she started crying.

I was like, cool. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, world. It's great, though. It's beautiful. Yeah. How do you work on something like that without like get like wallowing too much into the pain?

Um, we did. You let the pain. Yeah, wallow. Out. The pain makes cool riffs. Yeah. That's the first, the first line of won't be disgrace is I know your pain is real. Embrace what you feel, but you can never submit.

You can't fail if you don't quit. And that's what's all about. And that's the same thing that drove me. The day after I learned that he died, I watched that episode back that I swore we'd never release. Twice. And twice. And the context completely changed.

And as he, as, as, I told you to shelve it. You were like, don't ever put that in. Well, when we, I watched it weeks before that. Yeah. I was like, maybe not. Maybe not now. Yeah, it felt very, it felt very exposed by it. But the soul is wiser than the mind is a thing I've learned recently.

And like if that kind of was hit me and was like, that's why we did it. Because we knew we needed it or he knew I needed it. It was the point. Yeah. But it was not to be released posthumously. That was not the goal. No. But the same thing where it was like, I have to do this to not sit and just think about it instead.

So using it, turning that into something productive and meaningful, I think it races all the like, it doesn't feel like wallowing. It feels like celebrating. Yeah, that's different. And I also feel like it's easy for like, both not as much because he was such like a figure in our community. But like a lot of people when they pass, it's like, I did it yesterday. It's like somebody talked about like, oh, yeah, this person was there. And at first, what was like in my brain, I was like, where's that person in? And I was like, oh shit, they're dead.

Like, it's like, we want something to be like, you will never be forgotten, ever. Like, and this lives on forever with your voice on it. Like, you are here forever with us. It's a sonic, uh, ofrienda, you know, an altar to keep their memory alive. It's like I have his fucking little Metallica face tattooed on me that's probably going to be out of action figures. Every time I'm working shoulders. Yeah. It's looking at me, telling me I'm a bitch.

Yeah. And then I need to be harder. He's on scene punk's trap and... On action figures forever. WrestleMania. Yeah. Crazy. There's something called the second death.

Have you ever heard this? Mm-mm. Where it's the final time your name is spoken. Oh, yeah. And he'll never have that. Never. Pretty cool. Yeah, no.

I mean, I think I reached out to you right around then because my friend passed the week before in the same way. Yeah. And so definitely doing this. this interview and talking about this is like really it means a lot we because we must you know when we stop ever the world's that everybody stops and but as long as we're here going hey we loved this person here's why i mean it was like almost instantaneous i mean he passed in april and weeks later colin just went hey do we put out a record before sound

it's like okay or right after yeah for a18 it's like yeah here we go we all knew what the mission statement was yeah we were on sound infuri before yeah that was yeah that was the secret said thing was gonna happen either way but it what but which and then i was kind of like man we're really doing this with no music it's so insane um but there's two things two things that inspired it was bow of course and the jade puget episode that we did where he's talking about why AFI does so many EPs. And he was like, because they're done. Why would I wait?

Something better is going to come later. And you can see me and Alex sitting here like, damn, that's good shit. I also think music in general is in such a different place than it ever has been where like, I don't know if it's short attention span or what, but it's like there's constantly so much coming out at all times. And it's like, I think bands like speed is a very good example.

of like they hit with like a demo and then an EP and then another EP and then a record. It's like that those EPs like fed people until they were like this huge band off of like six songs. You know what I mean? And it's like I think that having two incredibly strong songs can make you last, you know, six to eight months before there's a record. And then like then those songs carry you the rest of the way. It's like I feel like that's, you know, when you hear.

a pop hit right now. It's like that's the one that locks in your brain. And it's like, then hopefully you like the rest of the record, you know, but it's these two, three song EPs I think are so strong right now, especially in hardcore music. You mentioned Gorilla Biscuits. Seven inch LP

done. Never did anything else. You can go see them today. They're playing seven inch LP. Nobody's going, when new G. G.B. Come on. So I think there is something important about like the tools, approach to making albums where it's like hey we're gonna do this every 10 years when we

have something worth shown because it's gonna be worth shown it's like quality of a quantity and it's also like hardcore is all about impact exactly moments we're also not a band that runs on cycles we do it because we want to exactly not because we have to that was the that was the original statement for guys it is we're gonna do what we want when we want to do it it's like we didn't have an instagram we didn't have a social media presence for until to the sound of Eight years? Yeah. And it's like, then we came out with a self-title, and we're like, okay, we have to have this.

Dude, it's just so people are like, hell yeah, God's hate at Brody King, at Colin Young. And it was like, all right, we need to make this beyond us. Because it was like, we saw how like other bands, there was somebody running it, and it was like their personality was the band. And we're like, fuck that. Like, God's hate is this. God's hate is in all caps. We turn the caps off when we're talking individually. If you see all caps, it's God's hate talking.

It's not. Yeah. That's for a sign. I love that. Yeah. That's good. That's his name. Yeah, that is his official name, canonized forever.

God's hate is its own entity. Pro wrestler. Record producer. Yapper. These things take up so much time and effort. We know damn well it's more than yapper. Yeah, but, yeah, whatever. She ain't no yapper.

No, you're journalists. Professional journalist. Lerned. These things take up so much time and effort that music. Children. Yeah. Right, children, yeah. I mean, and like, musician first always.

So it's like, I'm suffering when I'm not creating. So not having time to create is brutal. And that's another thing with the hiatus was like, if I even, if I know we have a show in eight months, I will hyper fixate on it and not be able to do anything. And we're always going to be, we don't, something important that we've talked about is like, we're not interested in being like a big metal band.

Like we may sound metallic. or whatever, but like, we are a hardcore band. We don't want to play a show with a barricade, ever. Like, ideally, we might. We're having problems booking shows right now because we're like, no, that's a barricade. We don't want to do that. We'd rather do something smaller without one.

That we just, we have no aspirations to be anything but a hardcore band. And hardcore is in such a weird place right now where it's growing so much, so fast that $40 tickets to a venue of the barricade is becoming this normal thing just to get more people in the room. And I don't think we want to compromise the experience. We play seldomly because we want to say we want the experience to be the experience.

Yeah, I feel like we always just want to be authentic. And it's like we've never done anything with any brands that we haven't believed in wholeheartedly. I don't know if we've done anything with any brands. But it's like anything that we would do with anyone is like because we want to do it. Brain dead is our boys, yeah. And like if it doesn't fit to like the ethos of what we believe in, and it's like we're just not going to do it, we're not going to compromise for anybody.

It's like we've been asked by like bands that we admire and that we respect to do stuff. And it's like, eh, I don't know. Like it doesn't really like fit for us. Like we would rather go play to a 300 cap room. and have it be bat-hit insane in the back of a record story. I mean, like... We're not dying to play the Novo. Yeah, it's like...

And I think that that translates to our fans and to the hardcore community that, like, at the end of the day, we are a hardcore band, and we will always be a hardcore band. And that's just what we love. We're a very metallic hardcore band that wants to run, operate as punk as possible.

No music videos. No management. 99.9% of all shows have been self-booked by us sending a guy. text. Yeah. Sick. And it will always end self-produced.

All the merch comes out of colonized brain. That's, it's us, Richie Orozco, Jake Malaceros, James Busema. Yes. Mark Nava. Mark Nava. I mean, of course, Mark Nava, but James Busema, who did the cover art for the new LP. Or E.P.

12-inch E-P. This is, this artwork is the reason it's not a seven-inch. The artwork is really good. I wanted to talk about that, too. James. It has to live on a 12-inch. You know what I mean? I want a poster of the size of my house.

I gave up. I was fighting for a 7-inch, and they hate this because if it was a 7-inch, we would have had the exact same size discography as Youtha-T-T-A-L-P-U-P-T-A-L-P-E-T-E. Where it was 7-inch, L-P-E-E-P-E-E-P-E-E-N-E. It's still an EP. I know, but then I saw the artwork and I was like, all right. So for people that, you win. For people that don't know, James is an incredibly talented artist, obviously.

He's done a lot of stuff for a lot of metal bands. But recently he's done a lot of stuff for Magic the Gathering, and he's become very big in that community. And he's also just a big fan of ours as we are him. We love him. And we reached out to him and was like, hey, man, we know you're probably swamped. Do you think that you could fit this in? And he was like, it was like that night he sent us like a rough concept.

And we're like, you got it. That was like printable. Yeah, it was like, this is better than like anyone's like normal artwork. And yeah, then he just crushed out this insane thing. Yeah. And there's a deeper concept to like the guy that people will learn about soon. That's something that we're working on. But obviously the symbolism, I think speaks for itself on the album art.

And getting that back was just like, god damn, motherfucker, you nailed it. This is a 12 inch now. Thanks, man. Has to be. Must be bigger. Must be bigger. Let's do a 14 inch. All right.

The magic the gathering makes sense. Seeing it, it's cool. I think there's a lot of like fantasy elements and things you guys have done with the samples. Yeah. That's always been like our vibe though, is we always want to just bring all of our interests into the art direction of the band. It's like when we had the idea for like the first mass murder, divine justice, father, inferior, we're all like, pulled from like Troy cord

dying fetus like the collage aspect of like all of these crazy like things and then it was like okay where do we go from here and it's like let's have our friend Mark Mark Navi who's an incredibly talented tattoo artist

tattooed my entire effort did my back he's done tons of stuff on all of us obviously but we're like all right dude do you want to do this he's like yes for sure we're like okay I want Punisher Shogun Terminator

and I just like threw these like things out He was like, all right, done. And then he's, it took him forever. We were in my kitchen. And he sent it to me, I was like, holy shit. And I showed it to say, like, oh, my God. It was like, that was the self-titled cover. And it's like, I'm not even sure if we had vocals yet.

We didn't have vocals yet. It was like, it was 2019. I feel like that was like, the artwork speaks as loud as the record. Which is what it's supposed to do. Yeah. Because you think about our youth of browsing the shelves and being like, well, surely this is good. Yeah. Surely Ice Pick Milan Epiphany is good.

This has got smoothie stuff on it. Surely any Meatloaf record is good, you know? Surely Meatloaf is the hardest band of all time. Look at this art. King Diamond. Great. You did. Come on.

The failed portrait art. Who is this woman? Yeah. It's like, and there's been a bunch of people that are like, I bought the record because I love the artwork and then I love the record. You're like, that's what we want. That's what we did, too. That's OS right there.

And then indirectly, Mark created Fernandelson. He did. And that's now become our mascot for all things. And you're going to learn more about them soon. Yeah, I feel like the, especially talking about trying to get, like, younger people involved, like, the album art's definitely, like, that's how I bought my first record based on it. It was back in black. I was like, that's so sick. I feel like that's the thing that twitching tongues and guys hate does that not a lot of other hardcore bands do.

It's like, there's obviously going to be, like, the youth crew aspect where it's very, like, stripped down. And, like, yeah, there's going to be, like, a live photo on the front or whatever. It's like we are huge fans of all things like fantasy, Magic gathering, Lord of the Rings, video games and all these things. And we want to like use that. Just a couple big kids. Yeah, we're just dumbasses. That is like fun stuff.

It's like, you know, it didn't work out, but Colin ordered chain mail to wear, yes, or at Sound of Fury. But, you know, maybe we got real chain mail made. Yeah, well, it looked like a sequin top. But it's like, shiny. I feel like, Martin always says, the guys is his favorite band to play him because he just gets to express himself however he wants. Like last year he wore like full like black metal gauntlets and like he just gets to be.

And you look at that and you're like that makes sense. Yeah. No, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's what we want God's hate to be is like I love the state of hardcore where like everyone can be their own like freak. Like you have kids in like tradgoth makeup. You have kids like that are punkers or hardcore kids. It's like there's no like cookie cutter. this is what a hardcore kid is anymore. And like, I feel like because of what the things that we do,

whether it be music producer, podcast, or wrestler, it's like, they all go, they can all kind of like go at some direction. And it's like, I love when people are like, oh, I love wrestling. And then I started listening to Hardlore because you and now I love hardcore music. And it's like, these are the paths that we want people to take. How do you feel like wrestling relates to the music? My wrestling directly relates to the music. It's like my style of wrestling is like very physical. I use my body as a weapon. It's like I've been using my body as a weapon for many years.

It's like, you know, when I do the cannonball into the corner, there's going to be people from 2009. They're like one time Brody was completely painted blue and did a cannonball into the crowd. Tacoma, Washington, at the Red Room. A lot of the No, bet, and I had to paint my whole body blue. It's like to say it's still blue. Every patron came out with blue paint on them.

He really did. What set was that? Hardest. Yeah. That's what I thought. But like with wrestling, music has been such a part of it from the beginning. Like the, when you think of Stone Cold Steve Boston, you think of shan and it again and like that's a hard-ass riff. Oh one.

That's what we're doing. That's be harder. When I was able to like, when I got to AEW and I was able to. Obviously, I used God's Hate forever. Like, that was my indie theme. That was my Ring of Honor stuff. And then it was like, then when we got into A.A.W. And we started House of Black.

It was like, Collin was the shadow House of Black member. You know what I mean? Like he created the like aura from the House of Black theme for Julie Hart's theme, for Buddy Matthews theme, for my theme. It's like he was like concocting these creations. It's like, I think Julia Hart's theme is one of the greatest wrestling themes of all time, which a lot of people do agree with. And it's like, he created this beautiful piece of music and had Emma from Dying Wish sing on it.

And it's like, I don't think that wrestlers understand how much goes into these things. And they're just like, oh, this is a cool song. You're like, no, this is like, this is a big deal. I don't think you understand. Yeah. But, yeah, music is this. Like we said with the appearance, it's the first thing they see.

If they're not locked in instantly, then it's over from there. It's like, I want to be locked in. And it's like, then if you're a good wrestler, then it's like, holy shit, that was awesome. Yeah. Some people don't get past, like, they have a great entrance and then an amazing career

because they don't need to be that good at wrestling because the entrance and the music is so good, you know? Like you think of Stone Cold, you hear the song. Yeah. And then you think of the stunner. It's like he was a great wrestler. Don't get me wrong.

But all you give a fuck about is the glass breaking and the Stokel's stuff. The Luthas Press. Talking shit. Mudhole. Stompe, Kix Stunner. And at five stars. A thousand percent.

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but it's like kind of maybe like a summation, which is like, when you guys went on the hiatus, you said the job is finished for now. What's the job? Ooh. It's our mission statement. Finish the job. Obviously, Bat Song is about killing all Nazis and right-wing extremists, religious extremists. And, you know.

People oppressing the way that you should live as a human being. Yeah. God's hate believes inequality. all, basically. And the job is, the job is God's hate to us. We feel like we've done everything we can with the material that we have. We're wrapping that up for now. And like people took hiatus.

You know, when a lot of people say hiatus, it's just they're broken up and they're never coming back. Could be five years. And it's like people are like, you guys are done? I'm like, no, we're not fucking done. No, hiatus means not done. We're going to work harder than ever. Yeah, yeah. Like, so, yeah, the job was finished for then, but now it continues.

And then in One Be Discrace, the job is only finished when we pull each other through. And that's like that, that's the goal now is people we love are dying because they're not checking in on themselves. So we, this is us checking in on you to check in on yourself. Or they're not feeling seen. And it's like if we can be that outlet for them to like, if there's some weirdo out there that like they have nobody but they have got to hate.

If you have nothing, you will have got to say it. Which was death threat that it burnt? Everything goes back to death threat. Everything is death threat. Greatest harker ban of all times. Yeah, I also think that like when you're talking about authenticity it's that message as well

and that's like something that I interview a lot of bands and not everybody like says that and means it and you can see it through what they're doing as well. It's completely transparent. That's something that I've always loved about the space as well. And I felt the first time I went to a hardcore show, which I'm like, oh, you can like do whatever the fuck you want here.

Yeah. And like that doesn't really exist elsewhere. If that is something that is like out of line, you're going to get checked for it. Yeah, you can instantly be like, yo, what's your favorite bands? And if they're like hesitant, you're like, ah. Or you go, or you go, I hear you. Now check out where those bands pulled these things from. And then you brought in their minds forever.

Because that's what Oldheads did for us. It's like if I didn't have Scott Vogel, I wouldn't know about so many other bands. And it's like, I wouldn't know about dying breed. It was the first thing I ever said to me. Dying breed. Chispered in my ear.

Changed your life forever. Changed my life with two words. But that's like that's what we've always wanted is like when we got into bands like hate breed and terror and Madball, it's like then you, you want to be able to break off and like, who did they think of their thank you list? Who were the bands that they're wearing their shirts of?

Like, that is like such, it's, it sounds stupid, but it's like, when we are taking a photo, it's like, we want to rep the bands that, like, we want other people to check out. Like, we want people to listen to these bands that inspired us. Yeah. And it's like, I'm not going to dwell on it too hard because I have obviously some really great friends that do it, but I fucking hate black shirt band promo. Knock it off. Knock it off.

It's a waste of everyone's time. I want to know what you're about from a single image. And you can think that's performative or whatever, but it's truly just like you are continuing the culture. By having this thing etched in memory forever, like on your record, you have this picture of the six of you, six of us at our favorite Mexican restaurant in badass shirts

because you look at that as a time capsule of like, okay, what were they into when this came out? And you look at old fucking dynamo, sets and you see what's machine-headed homies in neurosis shirt, you know? He's in a mushugan shirt. See, sick as hell. So you know. Taz and a biohaz and a biohaz shirt.

And you can always imprint that in time and go like Taz fucked with biohazzo, so I should fuck with a biohazard and Taz. And then on Dynamite this year, I wore a biohaz shirt that's the same one that Taz wore. Boom. And it's like, I do that on TV because I want wrestlers or like, what's that band? And then they check out Missing Link or they check out King's. nine and they're like holy shit this is awesome it's like it's so funny to me when people go

i didn't know that brodie was in a band and like that also like when people are like i didn't know brodie king was a singer god's hate it's like you listen to both and how did you not know what like whatever i'm glad that they find out authenticity also is like the driving force of hardlore to me and as hardcore grows and as api shatters i'm getting weird emails now i'm getting Motherfarkers got nowhere to go. And I have to be like, thank you so much for the email, but I can't do this. You know, this does not align with what, yeah, I'll have 311 on here because I like 311. But generally, if I'm not passionate about it, I can't, I literally can't, you're so much better than me where I, like, I don't know that you're not passionate about people you talk to.

But I cannot fake it, you know. It's so, it's so hard to. I've seen you try. It's very funny. I have tried. They just have to like bad brains a little bit. Oh, I'm in. I think during a weird time for hardcore, Twitching Tongues suffered so that bands today can be whoever they want.

And so that God's Day can put a six-part harmony in a song and a song and nobody cares. They're cool instead of what the fuck. Yeah, yeah. It's awesome. It wasn't weird. Seeing you guys play Sound and Fury 23, I got emotional because, like, you guys have gotten fucking beat down for so many

times and it's like I've always loved these songs and I've always loved this band and it's like to see this like incredible reaction and like kids going fucking nuts and singing along it's like that's what they deserve that's what I've always wanted it and it's like you know these guys are

my brothers for ever. Yeah it's like they are more of a family to me than most of my family so it's like we are cohesive and I'm I want to see them succeed as much as God's hate. Shut up. And it's like, God's hate started it as a side project.

And it's like we were always going to like not do as much. But now it's like it's created its own monster. And it's like now we are able to do just as much. And to be able to go out and do stuff with twitching tongues and God's hate as much as Colin fucking hates it or says he'll never do it again. We're going to keep doing it again. And it's like this awesome, like one two punch. of like you only need a couple different members, and it's like you can go do these awesome fucking things together.

It's so hard to do back to back. I'm sure. Yeah, but then you just get skinny here. It's fine. I do get skinny. Yes, two very different emotional outlets, very different forms of fulfillment. There's been many times where, like,

Taylor will be the judge of like, ah, this might be twitching tongue. Sometimes he's wrong. Mass murder. He wrote mass murder, and Taylor went, this might be a twitching tongue song. Well, I wanted it. Yeah, I said no.

He wasn't in the band. He wasn't in God's hate officially. Yeah, Taylor did not officially join God's hate until after recording the self-title. Even though he was always a writing partner and a producer and in the band. He played every instrument. Yeah, full filling. Yeah. He hated filling in.

Oh, I don't like playing drums. He hated filling in on drums. And then Martine was our other permanent fill-in. And then when we did the self-tile, we're like, you're both just in the band now. It wasn't even like, hey, you guys wanted. It's like, no, you're in the band. And he played, so having written all the wrist and not being very good of guitar, it was like, listen, I know you're not in the band, but I need you to play the whole thing, please.

Well, no, we made a bargain. What was the bargain? The bargain was I joined the band if, because we were like, you were over Twitchie Tongues. You were like, I can't do it. Nobody cares. We're done. Sure. And the drain wanted us really bad for their record release for California Curse.

Right. February 2020. year from playing it was April and there were flyers for it and you said I will play this show if you joined God's hate so we were on the flyer I said okay fine look I already knew it was going to happen anyway and then we we booked the show show didn't happen I stayed in God's say bamuselum yeah yeah sucker so something else you've said is I hope it in part inspires some people to do the same thing create painful hateful music out of love that's right So when you say out of love, can you talk more about that?

I mean, you look at finish the job, you look at Be Harder right there. That's love for all of the oppressed. And then Be Harder is love for yourself and your friends. And love for yourself and your friends is like hardcore 101. Everybody experiences pain. Everybody experiences loss. everybody experiences oppression from the powers that be in some way and some of it you don't have to take

and you can fight against you can be the current and we would like to provide some extra water to keep the current going for you be the voice of the voiceless you know that's right no pun intended but it's like yeah it's like I just want it's funny because it's like I always we are a band that like from the outside it looks like we just try to incite violence

like we want people to just be as insane as possible but it's like... Fair. When I say things like that it's like my fondest memories in hardcore music is being incredibly violent with my friends. It's like all of us in the pit together beating the shit out.

Like damn who the fuck just hit me? I don't want someone to just be like clocking people in the back like. Yeah, yeah. As a wise old head once had real men pit in the front. Because it's like that's where the war is going to be. I mean, I don't want someone in the back hitting kids or girls or people that don't want to get whooped on. It's like, you should be up there with your friends beating each other's asses. And it's like that's the violence that I want to see.

It's like that's the unity of hardcore music. That's the expression of this outlet. And it's like it's not violence for violence. It's violence to get out everything that you need to get out. expressing that with your brothers, whether it be through blood and, like, sweat and tears. It's like, that's what hardcore music is to me. Sometimes you get hit and make friends. Oh.

Sometimes you get hit for it and you're friends with that person 10 years later. Sometimes you get hit so hard by your friend that it's like, are we friends? Yeah. Although knock me the fuck out. He really did. That's your only K.O. ever, right? Yes. I was, I like, I got hit and then I was like in the bathroom.

I'm like, what the fuck? And I was like, you got them hammed. Then I just went back to the pit. Pride not smart. He got those big fucking mid-time. What show was that? Rainfest, 2011, I don't know, like one of them.

Was that when the thing happened? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about that. May or may not have had a casualty. Yeah. Actual casualty that had to be resuscitated. Somebody was briefly dead. Was resuscitated.

She's fine. Allegedly by my hand. Yeah, allegedly, but yeah, briefly, briefly deceased there. She's all right now. She's good. I don't know who she is. She came up to me the next year and went, you killed me.

What? And then she said, I was like, oh, no. Maybe it's a claim to fame now. It's like, you know. She can go, you know, bro. It is funny. You know, Brody King killed me. It is funny because it's like whenever, like, something will be like wrestling related or whatever.

It's like in the comments, we'll be like, Brody broke my nose 10 years ago. It's like, oh, sorry. They don't know that that's cool. I don't know that that's cool. I think we are. are also from the beginning a deeply anti-Christian band. Religious-caused war.

Yes, anti-religious extremism, I would say. Which, to me, there's some very good Christian people out there. But I think the people running our country campaign on religious extremism and hate. And I think that's more hateful than any other thing. 100%. And it's funny because it's like, I feel like that has been a hinder in our band that like we are now, able to kind of overcome because of stuff like wrestling and hardlore is like, you know, whether it be like Spotify wouldn't put us on playlist or like, or publications wouldn't

want to do interviews because it's like it's called God's hate or couldn't tell your grandma what the band's got. Yeah. Yeah. TSA guy. What's the name of the band? Ah. The clowns. Oh, yeah. We, the clowns was our, our keyword for a while. That's awesome. There's a funny story about that. We were, we were, they all told us one. one stewardess that our band name was the clowns. And I did not know this. You were asleep. And I was asleep.

And we were exiting the plane. And the stewardess looks to me dead in the eye. And she goes, goodbye clown. And I was like, what the fuck? What the fucking is. And then they fucking filled me out. But it was like, okay. For years, the clowns was our coach.

One time we were at the airport and someone asked what our band name was. And he said Harm's Way. And the guy looked at the picture of Harmsway. He goes, you guys don't look like this. band. Busted. I said we're all feelings. There's another time we used throwdown.

And the guy was immediately like, that's awesome. I ain't seen you guys in a while. And we're like, fuck, busted. Now we just say God's hate. You got to own it. We're called God's hate, lady. When my grandma found out, we were at the dinner table.

And she goes, what's your band name? And like, obviously the demo has like Jesus on the cloth. You hear utensils clap. And like, I like looked down and was like trying to think of something and my wife, she just goes, God's hate. And I just went, I just like, looked at her and she just like burst into tears. I was like, oh, like, it was like, yep, that's a band name. But his dad has like every record framed, every shirt. Proudly wears the shirts. Yeah, my son's in God's hate, you know. It's good. You know, at least somebody's happy.

The best. My dad is also the reason why I just don't believe in, have never believed in it. That's my goat, dude. When I was 12, I started asking religious questions to my mom. She goes, go ask your dad. And I went, hey dad is God really? He goes, nope. I don't think so. Were you guys raised religious? Oh, very complicated. Very complicated. Have you ever heard this song preaching?

Yeah, I would say, see, Twishing Tunges Preacher Man for that answer. It is very literal. I will say that we, our family was only in the church to play music. Yeah, our mom was a pianist, fantastic pianist. Joined this church to play piano. She wrote songs for this church that they still play. Oh. That's crazy.

And we got booted from the church. And we got kicked out of the church. Thank God. Pretty dope. Ha. Yeah. Yes and no. He went to Catholic school.

I was born heathen. I don't think I was ever even baptized. I've never been to church. I definitely have it. Art in my ass off back there. Hated it. Yeah. No, like, I got a full dose of the enemy, for sure.

Yeah. Day one, I was like, this is not for me. I like the X-Men. The X-Men is what I pray. I brought my X-Men to church. We pray to the X-Men. Fair enough. Hail,

Hale Xavier. Stanley, Jack Kirby. Straight up, dude. Chris Claremont, the goats. Hail Claremont. Something that I think is kind of like goes back

to what we were talking about before that. That I talk about with artists a lot is like, do you think that art requires pain? Yes. It requires emotion, for sure. I don't know if it's pain. Yeah. It all goes back to authenticity.

It's like if you're not feeling that whatever you're speaking on, then it's going to come off as bullshit. If you hear a band that's like, I'm so happy. This is so sick. Life is good. I'm changing the motherfucking channel, you know? And that exists out there.

And a lot of people like that, but that was never my kind of music, especially my kind of hardcore. I'm a victim in pain. you know, track one title, that's what, it's a, why am I going insane, you know? There may be a through line to, to good stuff being from trauma to some degree, but there's art in every aspect of life. And, you know, people do art for corporations.

It's not art. It's about to not be with AI shit, but yeah. Taylor famously has said on many occasions, I don't need my hardcore fun. No. And it's like, I understand the sentiment. It's like obviously hardcore is fun. But there needs to be raw emotion involved in that.

If I don't feel, what's the point? It's visceral or it's nothing. Speaking of like other forms of art, are there any other mediums that you guys? We're big movie guys. As big, we love, we love, we're big, we're multimedia heads, you know. I like to,

comic books. Embive things that make me feel. something. Yeah. I'm a huge comic book guy. I read a lot of comic books. And there's like times where

some of them just make me feel the same way that hardcore makes me feel. It's like right now there's a really great comic book writer slash illustrator named Daniel Warren Johnson who like writes in a way that's like jumps out at you, makes you cry, makes you feel the things.

And it's like he wrote Batman as like burning a bunch of white power dudes. It's like this is, this is what I do. Like, this is what I want. It's like, and that's, that's like, you're telling me Batman is God's hate, you know? Yeah, straight up.

And it's like, we always see. And it's like, I've been able to become friends with him. And it's like, he is a hardcore kid without knowing it. It's like, he believes the same things that we do and, like, feels the same things that we do. But he expresses that through comics. And I think that is amazing. And like, yeah, movies, obviously were huge centipiles, which is a weird word. I don't know.

Cinematic pedophile. Yeah. What the fuck? Well, I'm not a nice. But yeah. It's a different song. It's,

we love all types of art. We love, I mean, me calling fucking love pop music. Like, it is no lies. That I'm okay feeling good at because that feels like the purpose.

What kind of pop music are you guys? Lady Gaga. We're Gaga heads. Oh, oh, Gaga heads. I was at the Fame Monster Ball. Yeah. Nice.

Yeah, but she's, she's real deal. She's H-C. She doesn't know it. She's punk. It's like, She had straight-in-downables in her band. Gaga.

Whenever you want to sit in this chair, me and Anna will be right here and we're here. That would be good. That would be good. It's like even like drag performers. It's like I think that shit's awesome. That's fun. That's very fun. And like we're obviously big like fashion people.

It's like you need to be able to express the way that you feel and the way that you want to feel through those things. And it's like, you know, it's not for me, but stuff like Rick Owens and like stuff like that. like when he was creating that stuff and it's like even like Vivian Westwood like I think that stuff is amazing because like when you go to the roots of it it's like they were just punks that were just wearing what they want to do and expressing the way that they wanted to do much like the music that we wanted to hear was not being made the clothes that they wanted to wear we're not being made Rick Owen said the thing that like completely shifted my perspective on like how to wear stuff the body is the outfit like there is something for you you just have to figure it out

and then make it fit you. And then it's like, you know, you go to London and you see this line of, like, Japanese girls and English people, like, waiting in line for Vivian Westwood. And it's like, they have no idea that this is, like, one of the, like, foundational punks of, like, English punk rock. And it's, like, that's the coolest shit to me. Yeah.

And activism. Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, all of that is so aligned. I love, like, that you're, like, calling these people, like, you know, they're, like, a hardcore kid without knowing it. Like, I love that. That's, like, such a good.

That's why we also love Brain Dead so much. because, like, they are hardcore kids, made by hardcore kids. And it's like, now they're in fucking Spider-Man. And they're in, like, all these other, like, crazy. And, like, one of the best scenes. They're doing a collaboration with coach. And it's, like, hopefully through that someone finds Brain Dead and then goes and down a rabbit hole, like, oh, they sponsor Sound of Fury.

And maybe they go to Sound of Fury or, like, whatever. Like, I think it's awesome that Braindead does all these things like, you know, magic the gathering and tennis. And it's like, whatever comes in fucking Kyle's head, he just goes, I want to do this thing. The fantasy fest thing being like a cool gathering for the biggest nerds in the world. And like it being like a hype beast thing where all these nerds are finally put in these positions of power where they're like, hey, tell me about your interest so that we can do something with this. And then it's awesome because it's like through that. It's like you have all these kids that love 40K or magic gathering there.

And then you have Gerard. Gerard Way from. Yeah. Yeah, and he was so amazed by it all that he, like, he bought something from every vendor. And then he, like, bought donuts for the entire test. And it's like, that's, and, you know, that dude, like, writes comic books and obviously has My Chemical Romax. And it's like, all these things, like, coming together. It's like, that is what hardcore music is.

That is what punk rock music is. And it's like, it's cool when you see these people expressing themselves in a way and they don't even know about this stuff. Yeah. I mean, it's all sort of, like, world building. for lack of a less cliche term. Like all of it. It's like an escape from this horrible reality. And like how do we create that?

And like how do we make a message out of that? That's what the show is to me. It's an extension of art. I don't look at it as just like content. And that's why I don't do the like 10 minute, 15 minute individual clips of episodes because I want it to be, I want every episode to be experienced as an album. You have to do the reels because that's, you just have to do it. It's the worst part of our week, Stephen.

I relate to that. But we look at the episode itself as like every week we put out an album that only exists to grow this thing we love. Sometimes 311 is there too. It's also awesome that we can like use Scott Tate as a platform to speak on things like oppression, like, you know, the stuff that's going on in our country. And we will always sing about those things. And it's like it's funny when like as a wrestler, and Colin probably has experience this as a podcast. When you say these things as an individual,

it garners a reaction that is like, you got a surprise that I'm saying? When I wore the abolish ice t-shirt, it was like people were like, it's national news. I'm like, I've been doing this for fucking ever. I've been saying fuck the president forever. And it's like, but then like that was something

that inspired like Daniel Warren Johnson to write about those things. Like he did an illustration of Batman choking out an ice agent and the comic community went nuts for it. It was like very polarizing, but obviously more good than bad. But if we can use God's hate and like to vehicle these other thoughts of expression, and it's like if I can tell other wrestlers, it's okay to speak on these things. And like you don't have to be like that by everybody.

Like you're going to get just as many fans that don't like you that do. You know what I mean? Or usually the good outweighs the bad. Yeah. And it's like, that's just what we're here for is to speak and be that voice for the people that are oppressed. Just by being us and being about what we're about. I do feel like these kinds of conversations are important, especially like, I mean, for me, like, talking about this, like, short form content thing as well. It's like, there's a lot.

I've always appreciated what you're doing here as, like, having these, like, real, not to overuse the word authentic, but, like, conversations that I feel like don't happen anymore. people are barely doing like interviews for magazines in like a formal way it's always like what are your top 10 pizza toppings you know and like and i i only do the top four albums thing like people see hundreds of thousands of people see that on the reels but like that's the last minute of a three hour conversation generally and like you have been very supportive and very kind since for for years now and that's why it was like okay she got she got laid off what can I do with her, you know? Yeah, it's like the long-form conversation

is like a dead art. And not on my watch. That's all I want. It's like, straight up. I want to see Dwyd talk about weird shit. You know what I mean? I want to see him talk about funny shit. I want to see him talking about like why three guns is called three guns.

You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Me too. Like, the hard lore is like the best part. And I love that hard lore is able to now start branching out and finding out about other bigger bands and why these things happen. Where are the secret punks? Yeah. They're out there.

Sometimes they're not out there. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes they disappoint you, but, you know, it's fine. They do. I mean, what's next is like a big question. We're going to enjoy the fruits of this little, dense little record. Very dense.

It's 12 minutes, 13 minutes. It's longer than on silent death. The first song is four minutes and 30 seconds. Exactly. I don't think it's longer than on silent. It's long. Three minutes shorter than lowest the low, we'll go with that. Yeah.

How long is the new girl listening record? Nine minutes with a cover. That's awesome. We have a longer than it. It's a very dense thing that I hope people enjoy. Deeply personal. And I hope kind of under, like hear that and go like, wow, a lot of work went into these three songs. So we'd like to just keep playing for a while.

an album is coming it's on the horizon much is done and it's just as good we promise I promise I think the idea will also be to play places we didn't we haven't hit yeah

we will come to Europe we will go back to Japan Australia Australia we will hit the places well I want to hit the weird spots you know I mean I want to hit the because like sometimes those are the best ones like one of my favorite shows that I always talk about is when we played

Spinelli's Pizza in Louisville, Kentucky. And it was like, there was, it was, this is a place where like 90 people would be tight. And there's like 200 people in there. It's terror, gods, hate, and abuse of power. Abuse of power. Scott Stats. And

when we went on, there was this like shitty little red light in the back and I said, turn on the lights off. And we turned the lights off and it was dark as fuck in this red light. And then it was just chaos. It was the craziest show that I've ever played in that type of environment.

And that's what I wanted all times. And you still think about that. We don't think about playing in Chicago with a barricade, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Fuck a barricade, dude. Fuck a barricade. We're not interested.

I want, I want, I want, I want to be ducking someone. Straight in it. Right. I mean, like, careful. Yeah. But still, but we want the part of, swing, swing in me. Part of the fun is feeling the same danger that the crap is, you know. Like, oh, shit.

That is what enticed me to be a hardcore thing. Alec got his base caught in somebody's balls. You can't get that anywhere else. It's like, I want everyone on top of me. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're going to rue the day. No, I won't.

Get on him, jump on his back. Yeah. Destroy me. I'm safe back. Don't touch me. It's like I want to feel what they're feeling. I want them to know that they are as part of the show that we are. Like, this is why we're doing it.

We're back is the is what's next. Yeah. We're back. So that feels great. It's nice to just practicing. Practicing for torting tongues is like, yeah, I'll be there an hour. Practicing for God's hate lately has been like, can we play that one again? We play the song four billion.

The real, like, beauty of having an EP, like, two new songs is, like, when most records come out, bands change out two to three songs. Yeah, yeah. So it's like now we can put in these two songs. Yeah. And then it'll be like a new set. But then when we put out more songs, then some of the other songs that aren't hidden, then we'll just keep plugging them in.

I can't even imagine what you're going to take out. Yeah. We're just going to have a longer set? Longer set. Sorry. There's a couple of the other ones that I can't wait to play. How did you decide on these three if there's more? Great question.

So obviously, Womba Descrace had to be there because that was like, this was, this, I've been calling this for years, my Mona Lisa. There's like a sense of urgency. There's a sense of urgency. There's a sense of like. He constantly says this is the greatest guy's favorite track. This was another time where like, I don't know if they believe me where I was like, guys, just be patient. It's going to be the best song. And he didn't believe me up until like the second.

I think when we finally rap, he was like, all right, this is the best song. So that was obviously going to be track one. And then deciding on I Am the Cure being on there was like, okay, well, we can't do that. We can't do what we just did. So it needs to be something. We need to offer something else. We put a we put a song on. So we put this song where it starts with this riff that you'd think like, oh yeah, this is a God's hate riff.

And then the verse and breakdown of the song are in 178 time signature. which I got from yes and Bjork. Sick. So that's another one of those things where you hear this and you're like, this, the, the suffocation part's crazy. No, this is yes and Bjork in this song. Amazing.

So that was the thing. It's like we did ultimate God's Hate song track one. Now we need to offer something else and come out as a straightage man. So that was the goal. Alec calls the first riff, the Castlevania riff and he does this. Every time.

How'd you feel when it was done? Relief. So it all came together very quickly. It's like when I recorded the self-title record, this is a little, you know, pulling the curtain back a little bit. It was recorded quickly. It came together very slowly. Sure, sure.

But when we recorded the self-title record, vocally, I lived 10 minutes from him when we were doing that. I would come over twice a week, lay down like two lines of the strongest that I had, and then I would go home. Quarter of a song. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like, so it took months to record the whole thing.

Music was recorded for the self-titled August 2019, and I think vocals were finished like September 2020. Yeah. That's crazy. The record came out 2020. So, April. March. March, 2021. Coming in, knowing that we had one day to record three songs, I was like, we were all like, I don't know how this is going to work.

We had so many backup plans. So we had plans like, all sing this, if you can't sing this. He'll sing this, if you can't sing this. And everyone sings this whole part. Smoked it. I will say this is my strongest vocal performance. Easily. And like, I smoked all three songs.

I was a little burnt by the third one, but we got through it. Doesn't matter. And it was like, 50 seconds of it was, it wasn't like a, we don't have time for this. This has to be done. And my body somehow knew that and it was like, let's go. Yeah. You can't impress me. I was impressed.

But I think once, when we fully wrapped and we sat on the couch and like we laid down all of the gang vocals and the little parts, the little details, we just went, this is fucking perfect. Like, it was an LPs worth of effort in three songs. So I hope that comes across in some way to people. I think it's a re-listener. Like it's because it's so chaotic You just want to play it again You go what the fuck did they do in that point? I could say that because I didn't write very much of it

It's fun to listen to for me Good, good Yeah I mean I can imagine that when you spend that much time With all of that crazy chaos and indecisiveness It might be hard Arriving at a point where you feel like it's done Yes Or did you feel like it was

So That like they explained earlier There was a breaking point in January where I was like, guys, the song is haunting me. I can't do anything because I can't think about anything else. I'm going to send three versions. I sent version one.

And I said, listen to this, but I know what I don't like about it. I sent version two and I said, there will be no version three. I was waiting for, there's a moment that happens with writing. Where your hands do a thing they've never done before. In notes that everybody plays,

but you do them in this combination that nobody has played before some way. And then you get the CBGBs, we call it. Your hair stands up. They go CBGB. And I was waiting for that. And it was one day in January where I was like, this needs to be today. If it's not today, it's never going to happen.

And then it went beginning. I'm getting a ban. I'm going to get them. And I just texted them. I was like, version two is coming and it's the one. Trust me. Here you go. And then the high hat pit blew our minds.

That was the sell. That was like we got. felt and strong because we'd heard the rest of the song up until three years yeah three we didn't hear the pit well and you fixed the intro where like that intro that finally came together yeah that was a long working part the meat of the song was done the details were were bad yeah and then they became good yeah does that often happen to you with songs or you get obsessed with one thing or is this kind of the one there's one song per record okay where it's like this this has to be,

this is track one, so it has to be perfect. The problem was it was the first song. Yeah. You started writing. So you got hung up. I had nothing other than this, so it was like, well, I can't do anything until this is done. I think the funny part about the way that you write, though,

is like, the most important part of most hardcore songs is the pit. Yeah. And that's the easy part for you. Lately. It's the chorus. Dude, lately. Because when you did finish the job, be like this is it that was like Jesus Christ

but that getting there was tough because it was I the bridge was very different in the demo it was like the cold as life bend a bit bit bit bed bed bed bit bit bit bit bit bit and then the Negg song came out and I was like we're ditching that and we're just doing feedback over Blaspea thank God thank you Negg

yeah it's there's one song per record that is like a multi-year holdup because the the self-titled came out six years or five years again five years after our

first LP so this this happens every time where something holds it up and is this long time thing and you would listen to it and never think that but I think things that sound simple in an effective way

require more work than really complex technical off the wall shit. Because if something's done simply and effectively in like an eternally memorable way, it's likely that more work went into it than you would think. And that is 100% of the time the case for...

Colin is literally Captain America in endgame when he's just getting beaten down by Thanos and then he finally wields Mueller and then he says Avengers Asimble. Like when the record is finally done, he's Cap yelling that. But like before that, You like ask him a question and he will bite your fucking head off.

And then you guys like know what space he's in. And then if you react to it, you're going to get in a fight. If you don't, then he goes, I'm sorry, I love you. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah, I know the song's not dumb. Sometimes I'll be on the couch and my wife will be mid-sentence. And she'll send me doing this like a mouth thing and she'll be like, you're writing.

I can't talk to you. And that's drums. That's kick and snare. Kick snare. Anybody else? Do you do that? I have an overbite from that. Oh, yeah, see? I'm grinding my teeth down every day

because I'm doing kicks nair with drums in my head. And there's literally a physical response where she's like, I can't talk to you right now. And that happens a lot. Is there a songwriter that you consider, like, you know, the greatest songwriter? Like extreme music songwriter? Can't divulge all your sources.

Oh, that's true. That is true. Yeah, there's one I want, I refuse to answer because that's my bank. Got a few banks. Trey Mourbantel is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. I kind of like things when they're abstract

and he's so fucking abstract. It's insane. So abstract. Like if you can surprise me, I'm down. How many verse chorus, verse course bridge songs are there in the middle? But an effective,

a verse chorus, verse chorus bridge song where you're not even processing structure. You don't feel like it happened. That is the magic. I mean, if you had to crack it down to one, like, record, you'd have to give it to Vinny for Marauder. The guy was good. Yeah, that's a killer, masterpiece. Not even in the band.

Hasn't been in the band since then. Has been in the band since the record, but the guy wrote the whole thing, and it's unbelievable. Kirk, Crowbar. Oh, yeah. Bam. One of the most prolific of all time. That's it. That's the answer.

Brett and Greg. Yep. I don't know how they do it. 17 Bad Relatives. Not a stinker. Have not changed. They're my favorite of all time, by far. You're awesome.

That was the band that got me into punk rock music. Me too. When I was 12 years old. It's masterful shit. Because the master, and that's like I said, it sounds simple. It is not. Yeah. And they, like, by not evolving too much and changing in 17 albums and still doing shit that rocks, it's truly crazy.

Also, hands down the most complex lyrics in all of podcasts. When I'm thinking altruistically. Yeah. So analytical and like. But universally applicable. It's crazy. Making a record. And when you're writing and when you're in this process, do you guys listen to a lot of music?

Because I know that people, I talk to you, feel different. Some people are like, I can't. Great question. I think that's when I listen to the most music. I find I shut it out. And it's the biggest mistake. Because I'll be like, why the fuck can't I finish this? Yeah.

And then I'll put. all out war on and it'll be like the record's done. I finished it because I put all out war on one time. It's true. Like you shut yourself out creatively because you don't want to, I don't want to be inspired by modern stuff. So when writing something new, I shut out anything modern because it's like,

you guys are doing your thing. I don't want to do what you're doing out of respect. It'll happen accidentally. I love when Colin here's like a new record. I think it happened with like missing link, like the missing link record came out. you're like, I love this record. It's nothing that I would have done. So that's why I love I love this record and I now know what not to do. Yeah. You know, that's, that's great. It's great

to have a modern guide of like, okay, somebody else is doing this. Yeah. I'll do this. And it's, I forget to open myself to other stuff when writing. And then when I do, it's like, oh, everything's done. Here we go. The gates have opened. You got to take a sip from the well. Got a sip from the well. And I would say every record, something new comes up. up, that's like, okay, this is, this is the well. Get a new well. And I cannot expose what they are. Damn.

Yeah. We, those are wells at nobody or whatever. Exactly. W. B.S. We be stealing. We be stealing. But changing. We be at WBSBC. Stealing and changing. It's interesting. There's like so much.

Good artists borrow. Great artist steals. Right. Like the word nostalgia and revival core and all of that stuff is like such, especially coming from like the AP world where like everybody's doing a 20th anniversary. Warped Tour moment and it's like it. Dash grab. Yeah. So it's like that's something that I talk about all the time too because like there's a way

to do it and there's a way not to do it. Yeah. Sound and Fury did not even say that this was the 20th year. I know. How crazy is that? I love that. Do they not? 20th anniversary of Sound Fury didn't put it on anything.

But Carriam played. They're the greatest hardcore festival to exist. Of all time. Agreed. Other hardcore fest would agree. Yes, I agree. Nostalgia is not a factor in writing at all. I mean, I wouldn't say that with your guy's music at all.

It doesn't, it's not giving that. Well, thank God. It's inspiration. Yeah. Yeah, we wanted to hint at things. Yeah. I'm so fine with our influences being apparent on our sleeves. Totally cool with me.

Yeah. But I cannot divulge where specific things come from. Yeah, I think you can find the shirt. If you can find the shirt, you'll know. Was it self-saddle? Where it was like, thank you, hate breed, thank you Marauder. Fuck everyone else. Yeah, we owe them.

Whatever it was. We owe them. We think two bands and it was like, yeah, it's hate breed marauder. Like. And dying fevers and dying breed and. Stigmata. A few more. A lot of that.

I cannot reveal. I never will. Cold is life. Oh, yeah. All over the place. Well, there's like. Yeah. What were you about to say?

Death threat. Oh, yeah. Always. The, always, the, the one. The mental blueprint. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but like contextually, too, like, there's no way it could ever, you know, you're taking it in with your own. So.

We have, we, I think that's just natural. It's just you're going to be yourself. We have our filter. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Where we go, I can't do that. Taylor is the ultimate filter. I would say.

He also has a filter that, like, sometimes Colin and I don't. agree with and we go against his opinion because we're like if you don't like this then it's probably good yeah not not in music ways yeah in music ways he's almost always right some other ways we're like not a salesman yeah i don't like to be a salesman that's the thing which you unfortunately have to think about i know i know but music music all day yeah what do you feel like the the idea of like be harder requires from a person mental toughness Fortitude and kindness to yourself

patience perseverance Yep Yeah the tough times never last Only tough people last That really That really sums up the song Yeah

I mean Life sucks You're constantly beating down day by day by day by day by day And you can be like All right I guess this is it or you can learn how to record your own bands. The rent does always do.

You can go to wrestling school while working a full-time job, union job, getting your ass handed to you 80 hours a week, driving to wrestling school after. You can start a podcast with your best friend and talk about shit you love. There's always a means to keep going. Find your outlet. Find your outlet and do not fucking go.

be disgraced. Yeah. It's a pretty good wrap up. Damn. Yeah. I think that's our show this week, guys. Anna, thank you so much. You did such a great job.

Yeah, you guys are so easy to talk to. We're going to for Anna Zanes. Our guest host this week. Legend. Certainly not the last thing she will be doing on this program. Yeah. God's hate won't be disgraced. It's out now.

We will be playing places soon. And we can't wait to let you know. about it and as available for journalistic work as are many right now so as one empire crumbles shattered from within by the

by their rulers they will rule the day they will rue the day and it will not be disgrace because many they just created a thousand okay so all right so all you

amazing journalists let go out there thank you for keeping underground music at the forefront of the conversation for so long. Anna, thank you so much for all the support and all the love throughout the years and for keeping underground music at the forefront. We will keep creating underground music. We will, and as long as people like you are around to uplift it,

then we know we're going to be okay. Have to. Because we must. Thank you, Anna. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. See you next week.