HardLore - Halloween HardLore: Touring With Hatebreed / Making Twitchfits Vol. 2

Starting point is 00:00:00 Subscribe to the all-new Hardlore Patreon now for early ad-free access to every episode and an exclusive episode every month. Vancouver was great. This is where I saw the girl puke in her hand during hate breed. A girl looks me in the eye. She's like this and she's walking by me, right? She goes, blah, and then she goes, and then keeps walking. That's what happened. Hello, welcome. It's Halloween hardlore time. You look tired, Pirate, Bo. Why not pay a visit to your old pal, the hat mask? Take ten of the evening.

Starting point is 00:01:13 Holy shit. How long? Oh, my God. This is horrifying. Hello, welcome. It's our door time. You know, Bo and I actually haven't filmed a proper episode in about six weeks. So this is the first one.

Starting point is 00:01:27 Yeah, you went all out, huh? you know it's hatlord time yeah yeah how are you I'm doing good I'm you know me I love Halloween it's my favorite time of year yeah

Starting point is 00:01:42 I've been celebrating all month really and as have you technically and you're a pirate now look at this you know who this is that is this is CM pirate parrot CM parrot is very good

Starting point is 00:01:59 good. Thank you. Thank you. And this is real. I did this for the show. You really did? It hurts so fucking bad. You serious? No. Oh. I was kept, I mean, I, yeah, I would have been really you're ready for it. I've been thankful for the commitment. Today is a, is a Halloween special for many reasons. It's a special day. It's Halloween, etc. But also, Bo just got off a very long tour with Harmsway, Carcass, and Crypta. And hate breed. I just meant to say hate breed. Bo just got off a tour with hatebreed, carcass, and crypto.

Starting point is 00:02:38 Very true. And I didn't just get, I just drove, we just drove 13 hours from Norfolk, Virginia, to Chicago. Today you did that. Yes. We loaded in and immediately came and changed. So it sounds like you're very sleepy. I'm so sleepy. that would kill me at the moment.

Starting point is 00:02:59 I could hear you making noises before we started. Nothing could have prepared me for this. I was thinking like, damn, is Bo the Hatman, too? This is awesome. It'd be so sick. But I will have, you know, I got the pants and boots. Oh, good job. You know, went all out.

Starting point is 00:03:13 Taylor went and got this for me. I can't wait to hear about this tour. I spent this entire month prepping for our second annual Misfits cover album. So we're going to tell you a little bit about that. going to some detail, share some lore. There's a lot that went into it. And the show, of course. The show, of course.

Starting point is 00:03:32 Beautiful. We also got some Halloween-related questions and some tour and Twitchfitts-related questions to talk about. But let's talk about the tour, Bo. Let's do it. I got a whole notes app full of stuff. Tell the Hatman how the tour went. The tour, speaking of Hat Man, the tour was very difficult. was very, we're chasing buses.

Starting point is 00:03:57 So those drives, you get tired. I saw it, had men. Carcass hat was at least very good. I got one. The carcass hat is unbelievable. Here it is. Outstanding. Look at those guys.

Starting point is 00:04:11 Overall, it was good. There were some ups and downs that we will get into. Lord knows it. But yeah, overall, it was like a very good tour for everyone. In the upper echelon of Harmsway tour. for sure. For sure. In like the,

Starting point is 00:04:27 certainly the post-COVID era, but let's say the post-human era. Dude, I hate this. All right. Shall we? Yes, please. So at the end of September,

Starting point is 00:04:41 we drove straight to Portland, Maine. We drove in three days of rain, and we loaded in rain. And we left in rain. And also before then, like, I don't know if people understand. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:54 The two weeks before that were spent every episode you just saw since this tour started. Yeah. We're done within like a week, like a nine-day span. We had nine to fives. We had just nine to fives for, for open. It was straight up full-time jobs. How do you guys do that? I'm so tired.

Starting point is 00:05:16 But yeah, played Portland. You know, first show, big tour. Got to shake off some rust a little bit. Gonna be some rest. There's a lot of that. A lot of, isn't it so funny how the first week of any tour, nobody really talks? And then by the end, you're like, I love that guy. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:05:36 It was that. There's a lot of people, a lot of crew, a lot of. There's just, you have to have like a single icebreaker with every person. Every individual, yeah. And that takes, that sometimes doesn't happen. So. I don't remember the last time we toured on any package where the bands above us or other bands on the tour, let's say, were

Starting point is 00:05:57 bands that we had, like, love since we were teenagers. So getting to watch carcass and hay breed every single night was crazy. Stellar. Simply stellar. Yeah, I mean, the one night of the tour that I got to go to was, like, kind of back-to-back, surreal.

Starting point is 00:06:16 Just even seeing the, like, carcass thing on the green room. It's like, man, that's them, huh? Yeah. And, I mean, I'm just so happy to report that they're cool as fuck. Jeff and Bill, who are the two OG guys, and there's two newer guys, James and Dan, who are incredible. I love Jeff's Evil Nation shirt that he wore every night.

Starting point is 00:06:39 Yeah. Fuck, yeah. Well, I like that they're actively booked and promoted by Live Nation, which is awesome. But he knows. Because it's like, yeah, I am, but. But fuck you. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. There's a place, in Portland called Even Tide Seafood. Good?

Starting point is 00:07:00 Fantastic. I mean, it's probably harder to find bad lobster in Portland. You could throw a rock. And you want to last? I should have told you. There's a place called Amato's. It is the birthplace of the Italian sandwich. What Italian sandwich?

Starting point is 00:07:18 The Italian sandwich was created in Portland, Maine. Like a sub? The Italian sandwich that we know and love. The Italian. The beef? No, no, no. Not the Italian beef. The Italian sandwich, like Gabagool, other deli meats, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:07:35 Okay. That's the Italian sandwich was invented in Portland, Maine. You're kidding. Atomatos, and it's fantastic. I'm shocked. And they have these pepperoni stuffed, like pinwheel things. Yeah. Almost like a cinnamon roll with pepperoni and cheese.

Starting point is 00:07:50 Oh, my God. The Hatman loves it. It's keto. Well, it eat about 30. It's a cinnamon roll. Oh, oh. And then there's pepperoni and cheese. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:08:03 Yeah, it's the fattest shit you've ever seen. It's awesome. But it was the first show of a tour on a Wednesday night, middle of fucking rain because there were all the hurricanes going on. So as the hurricanes dissipate, those storms just keep going, you know? Yeah. Packed. Wow.

Starting point is 00:08:18 Packed. So Maine is back. Well, something that was interesting was we discovered that that, that, that, any B market What? Yeah, yeah, straight up quote unquote B market

Starting point is 00:08:30 as in not New York, Chicago, L.A. San Francisco. Precisely. Yeah. Any B market slamming. Hey,

Starting point is 00:08:38 for the fucking B market barbarians, dude. It's incredible because the people who come to that, they're so open-minded. They're so hungry for more. They see a band

Starting point is 00:08:52 they haven't seen before like going off on stage and they're like, oh, this is it. This is great. And it was excellent synergy. It was really awesome. I was really, I mean, Crypta as the opener was a band that neither of us had ever heard of before the tour. Correct.

Starting point is 00:09:07 And it's four women who absolutely just shred harder than any man in the world. I'm not being, I'm not exaggerating when I say they were the best musicians on the tour. Yeah. You could tell. Bill Steer would have been the next closest one. Right. By the end of their set, you could tell, like, every single person was like, this fucking band is insane. They're insane.

Starting point is 00:09:30 They're incredible. And you know how it is, like, when you play after a band on a tour, the last three songs, you just, you know them forwards and backwards. And, you know, and you just become a fan. And, dude, they got this song called Under the Black Wings. It sounds like Morbent Angel. Check it out. It's awesome. Nice.

Starting point is 00:09:47 But anyway, moving on, we went to Boston. It was at Fenway. It was at the House of Blues in Boston. So it was just like literally shared the alley with Fenway. And that was cool. Saw a good friend of the show, C-O-A. Great set. You know, saw Fleshwater, you know.

Starting point is 00:10:06 Gangtale. Oh, they came to the show. I thought they played. No, no, they just came by. And then we played on, is it on Manhattan? Yeah, we played Terminal 5, Manhattan. Manhattan is in. It's in?

Starting point is 00:10:20 Isn't it an island? Yeah, we call Manhattan in. Okay. I feel like it's on Long Island in Manhattan. Okay. You know? Well, we played there, and it was crazy and huge, and we never played. No, you and I have played Manhattan together, and let me tell you.

Starting point is 00:10:35 That was one of the worst shows of all time. Truly, have we ever talked about that show? I don't know. It was funny because that was where I think Metal Blade came. Metal Blade came to see their two new young bands, twitching Tongues, Harms Way. Together. At the worst show possible. At how many, 50?

Starting point is 00:10:52 I think it was more than 50 This is crazy I think it was more than 50 But it was like 60 Yeah So that wasn't good We went to a place called Ichiron

Starting point is 00:11:02 Have you heard of Ichiron? Yeah, it's a big chain Okay, so I had never been There's only like four or five In New York They had just opened one It's a Japanese chain So it's in Japan as well

Starting point is 00:11:13 There we go That makes sense Went Couldn't believe it Pretty good, yeah Pretty fucking good It was like Again it was rainy

Starting point is 00:11:21 It was fucking It rained for a week. We were in water. See, to me, that sounds great because let me tell you, you've been gone and I've had about five days total under 80 degrees. And that's just not,

Starting point is 00:11:36 that's not October, baby. No, it's the last week of October. It's fucking horseshit. It was 69 today. Beautiful. Which the hat man loves. For me. It's the best temperature to sleep in.

Starting point is 00:11:49 That's proven, you know? I'm wondering. And the hat man loves sleep. Ask the hat man He'll tell you Turn it down True We drove to Montreal next

Starting point is 00:12:03 We got searched Didn't like that But we got in No problem It's really funny What's the deal with bringing merch over right now You have You don't have to

Starting point is 00:12:13 I would recommend having an itemized list That just shows everything you have And everything What it's worth And then They make you pay? Yeah we pay taxes But it was like

Starting point is 00:12:21 120 bucks Oh Still Such horseshit. Yeah, fuck off, but whatever. There was only,

Starting point is 00:12:28 there were three Canadian shows total, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. So, okay. So you paid 120 American dollars

Starting point is 00:12:34 or Canadian? I believe Canadian. Oh, that's like 12 bucks. Yeah, exactly. So that was no big deal. Um,

Starting point is 00:12:41 that show rocked. Montreal is awesome. Yeah. It's awesome. Culinary melting pot. A lot of good food.

Starting point is 00:12:51 I had halal. It was great. See? Do you go to, have you ever been the dirty dog? Is that what it's called? Dirty Dogs? I have. Yes, I have. They have the fog on our tour.

Starting point is 00:12:59 We went. Yeah. Outstanding. Yeah. Highly immoral. But God, is it good? We then went to Toronto. So something that's going on right now, and this is, so I have like my item,

Starting point is 00:13:12 like the itinerary list and then things to talk about, like overall. Something that's going on right now is October is fucking tour month. Yeah. There are tours everywhere, constantly all the time. Show me the body high viz. Gay Creeper. Truth. Dying Wish.

Starting point is 00:13:27 Gate Creeper. Frozen Soul. Frozen Soul. What else? There was another one going on. But whatever. There's just like a ton of tours happening right now. Dude, even fucking, we'll get to it.

Starting point is 00:13:40 But that L.A. show, there was a sold-out Judas Priest Arena show that night. And the Hy-Vis show. And the Hy-Vis show. So the night we played Toronto, Gay-Crieper and Frozen Soul were across the lake in Toronto. also and their show was good but it's like son of a bitch why do that I don't know I'm sure the market is just saturated

Starting point is 00:14:01 and that's just how it is but yeah good lord just everybody loses when that happens you know I don't I don't get it and it seems like most of all and not to sound sappy but like people going to shows lose the most yeah I wouldn't want to choose between gay creeper frozen soul and

Starting point is 00:14:19 carcass and hay breed and haypreed you know that sucks that ain't right Yeah, you're right. Tell me about the interactions with Carcass. Let's see. Getting on with Carcass. How do you gauge that, you know? Let me tell you something.

Starting point is 00:14:37 They're blokes. They're English. The great social lubricant. Fish and chips. Over there and here is booze. And they would drink with some of the our guys who do drink. And there you go. And it was just like immediately chill.

Starting point is 00:14:51 later on in the tour there was a barcade kind of underground speakeasy type thing next to the venue and we all kind of wound up there and I talked to all of them Jeff was buying everybody drinks Bill was great everybody's great so it's it's they are and I mean this in the least derogatory sense possible they are impossibly British they're just so like hello like very polite very just hi yeah good one you know just super super fucking British. However, dude, I can't... For those of you who know anything about gear, we're going to talk a little bit about gear. Okay, crypto is using two quad cortex. Right, and they sound perfect. I got some questions about the quad cortex. We'll get... Excellent.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Yeah. Harmsway, I use one. Nick uses a 6505. Hate breed. Wayne uses a quad cortex. Frank is still on the Marshall. Wayne using a quad cortex? That must be recent. It is recent. Yeah. Because LDB, he had the amp fiasco. Was that his last, was that his last draw? Maybe. Good point. I forgot about it.

Starting point is 00:15:57 How were his tones? How did he sound? Sounded fucking great. He's still using the Marshall Power amp like I'm telling you to do with your SNK. That's it. Carcass, 25150 Heritage Edition 80 watt amps. That's right. No fucking pedal, nothing. They're in B standard. They sound incredible.

Starting point is 00:16:17 Yeah. Every fucking night. No pedals. No pedals. A two. and a wah. Gian style. Straight up.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Dude, Bill Sears playing a fucking melody maker, like a 70s melody maker. It's just like nothing makes sense. Nothing makes sense. He plays crazy. Like,

Starting point is 00:16:36 look up videos of him playing. If you're playing guitar and you put your hand kind of on your outer thigh, he plays with it like over on his hip. He plays kind of on the side. He's bouncing around. He's in bell bottoms.

Starting point is 00:16:48 He looks cool as fuck. Oh my God. I saw him. his pants that night and I was shopping online after. Now let me add, so we talked about this before. Buried Dreams by Carcass, the iconic opening track from Heartwork. You saw him play it and he explained to you how to play it and it's with harmonics? Guitar Tech Sam, Guitar Tech extraordinaire who was working and who was with Carcass.

Starting point is 00:17:15 We were talking in Oklahoma City and I just, we were talking about it. He was like, yeah, did you know that that's all harmonics? He's not actually, he's only hitting the last note in the, bo-do-do-do-do is the only hits that. And then do-do-da-da-da-da-da-d-cun-a-d-cun-a. He only actually strums that last note. And I was like, what? He was like, watch him tonight.

Starting point is 00:17:36 And this is two weeks into the tour. So I actually went and watched. And sure enough, he's like tapping and plucking. I've never seen anything like that before my life. Doesn't make sense. Bill. Truly a guitar god Death Metal icon

Starting point is 00:17:55 I don't get it dude I don't know To be able to do that And then to play like cool bluesy solos that don't Like they're one of the bands We've talked about this before They're a band where you can remember the solos Oh the best

Starting point is 00:18:08 Very difficult to do You know Yeah he's got he's like the slash of death metal Straight up straight up Where I'm memorizing the notes that he's doing Rather than just being like that's crazy Also got a little tippet last night That he prefers to live in England

Starting point is 00:18:21 where it's kind of shitty and difficult because that gives him an edge so he can write carcass riffs. Suffering for his art. Straight up. Come on. Much like Van Nuys. You wouldn't believe what you see outside this window.

Starting point is 00:18:38 Horrible. Anyway, but it's the best. Yeah. And it's the worst. Carcass is great. Just like their whole crew is great. Their T.M. This dude Martin.

Starting point is 00:18:48 I can only describe him as Hagrid. And it was just like, something would happen be like, I don't worry about it. Like, every day. It was just like, he's just like the biggest human I've ever seen who is so gentle and nice. And this is your first time touring with Hayprey as well. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:05 Oh, yeah. And I told you earlier, I was like, listen, Frank is going to take care of you. Let me tell you something. And lo and behold. Oh, man. Everything you said about touring with Haypreed was a thousand percent accurate. Yeah. Jasta just appears.

Starting point is 00:19:20 Jostah just appears. And he's pumped. If it's game day, if it's football day, he's around. Because they're watching football. Frank, always chilling. Always chilling and he's always got stories and they're always crazy. And there's like most of them I can't talk about. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:38 Matt practices for an hour. Yeah, just like you said. Wayne always around loves talking about gear, which is what I'm having. And dude, Beattie. The king. He's the chillest guy. You wouldn't believe he's on tour. You'd think he's just, like, visiting for the day.

Starting point is 00:19:56 And, like, dude, he's staying in shape. He's going, he's doing his thing. And I don't know. They were just truly everything you want, like, a band that you look up to to be, both of these bands were. Unbelievable. I can't say enough about it. It was a delight from beginning to end.

Starting point is 00:20:15 The only difficult thing was following buses, but that's, you know, you sign up for that. That's how it is. And dealing with any. venue ever whatsoever, right? Oh, we'll get there. Okay. Because we're getting to the bad one. And that's where I'm going to talk about it.

Starting point is 00:20:29 All right. Let's see. Detroit was great. And then, so we went from Detroit. Really, nothing of note happened there. There was a very successful, nice fall day. We drove around. Actually, no, we went to Cincinnati, then Detroit.

Starting point is 00:20:41 But Cincinnati, I bought a shirt off a guy who was in line. Felt good. Felt nice. It's a good feeling. It's a Root's Sepultero shirts on blue gray. It fits me like a fucking. We had a drive from Detroit to Green Bay, which is on the opposite side of Lake Michigan, which is one of the craziest things ever. Jump past my house.

Starting point is 00:21:02 Not nice. Oh, really? Yeah, it sucked. That hurt you a little bit? Heard a little bit. But before I go past Cincinnati and I get onto what was one of the best shows, we're going to talk about, we're going to talk about something that happened not just in Cincinnati, but it was where there was a particularly difficult day. the back half was pretty good. I'll say 70% of the venues that we played,

Starting point is 00:21:29 we ran into issues with sound, with venues not being staffed appropriately. And I think that that's a very fair way to say what I'm trying to say. And we couldn't figure out what. Not staffed to do the primary thing that their businesses exist to do. Yeah, to showcase music. Lord knows they got bartenders and Lord knows they got merch counters. Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:21:58 But they don't have... Lord knows they got merch counters. But they don't necessarily have people who... They have people who are willing to learn and who are like trying, but who don't necessarily know what's up and are new or whatever. You know, that's the process. I don't know how to necessarily cable a whole show. So what can I say?

Starting point is 00:22:15 We couldn't figure out why this would be, like, what's happening? Because we've never run into this before. We've never had a sound guy before. And on this run, we had Rippy. Which you would think would alleviate that. Precisely. What we've decided and what I think is true is when you get to this level, when you get to 1,000 to 2,000 cap venues, okay,

Starting point is 00:22:35 you're running into a thing where once somebody gets really good at that club, they're on tour. It's touring season. Right. They're out on the boat. Somebody poaches them somewhere. Exactly. As a matter of fact, we played a venue that Rippy had worked at, you know,

Starting point is 00:22:49 like at this tier. So it kind of tracks. So what you get is somebody who's new, somebody who's learning, somebody who genuinely, I don't know, I'm trying to put anybody down. They want to do good. Right. They don't know what's going on. They don't get it quite yet, which there's not time to figure that out. No, we're two of four, right?

Starting point is 00:23:12 We don't get a sound check traditionally. Yeah. You get a line check. You set up and go. So. And how often was crypto running into sound? problem. Very rarely because they would get a sound check.

Starting point is 00:23:25 Oh, because they're first. Because they're open. Yeah. And also they have all things considered a pretty minimal setup. You know, two quad cortex, no cabs. So they're going straight to front of house. It's pretty easy. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:23:37 Yeah. And they're all in-eer. So it's all works. It's all easy. But any ears are a pain in the ass to set up. But they had their own sound guy too. Their pro is fuck, dude. Yeah, that's crazy. They're so pro. But yeah, so, yeah, so my, the moral of the story, if you're looking to get into sound, live production.

Starting point is 00:23:56 Please God. Check out. And if you are any good at it already, if you like have an ear, go to your local venue, man, telling you. Because it's so interesting at the smaller tier, at the tier below this one, a more DIY kind of thing that a hardcore band would play, the house guys know exactly what's going on because they're like, they got the reps in.

Starting point is 00:24:17 They're the guy, yeah. I mean, just the thing that is so crazy to me is when it's like, okay, how's that snare? Well, I don't hear any snare. Well, I'm sending it to you. Well, I don't hear it. Yeah. How about now? And then there it is.

Starting point is 00:24:35 And then it's, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Why is that my problem? And it was, it was a lot, dude. It was, it was crazy. It was very eye-opening. It's very interesting.

Starting point is 00:24:46 You know the meme of the guy looking? Looking at all the cables. Like it's the first day on the job. For a job he just happened to apply for and he wasn't qualified for. Yes. Seems to be every day at some of these places. Yeah, there was like two weeks where it was happening. And so eventually we started, this is where things got tough.

Starting point is 00:25:06 We started, originally our load in time was four, which like, if it's an eight-hour drive, you do three at night, five during the day, you leave it like 9.30, 10 a.m., stop lunch. Totally possible. Totally possible. We started having to get there at 2.30. That changes all the logistics. Yes.

Starting point is 00:25:24 That makes an eight-hour drive. If you got to do five during the day, you're leaving fucking early because you got to eat. Somebody's got to pee. You know, like you got to make stops. So from this point forward, we start getting there early. So anyway, the opposite of this, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Outstanding. We played a venue in Green Bay that had fucking pool tables, a basketball court.

Starting point is 00:25:47 workout equipment. It had a flat pull-down machine and like a cable machine. So this is like a hometown show for you, Green Bay. Essentially, it's Nick and Casey are essentially from Green Bay. Right. So it felt really, really good. Their house crew was fantastic. Okay. So it was a nice, like, oh, there we go. Excellent show. We went to...

Starting point is 00:26:10 There's just got to be a better way, you know? Than what? There's got to be a better system for front of house. and the people on stage to communicate what they need. Oh, there is. The show is over. The show is wrecked if you can't hear what's going on. So here's the difficult thing.

Starting point is 00:26:28 And I won't name venues or cities. An example of this is you advance the show. So we're sending our input lists and our stage plot to the venues so that everyone there knows, here's what this band needs. Top to bottom. There was one instance where a person was telling James at the end to settle that they didn't have whatever paperwork needed. And James was like, well, I sent it.

Starting point is 00:26:50 They said, hold on, let me check the email. Open up an email to 50 unread emails of the last several months of shows. So you just have people who aren't necessarily sending stuff, checking stuff, reading stuff, whatever. I mean, if you don't care, then it's just like, why are you having this show? I know how much you're making from it, you know? Oh, dude. That's the other thing, dude, dude. is like there were merch cuts at most of these shows.

Starting point is 00:27:19 Yeah. We didn't pay it. But, you know, it's, it's, it's the, we were talking about this day, the amount of hands in the pot. And here's the, here's the thing that a lot of people don't think about. This is like real inside shit. Yeah. The cost to use certain venues is sometimes way higher than anybody would think, you know? Madison Square Garden, a cell out there.

Starting point is 00:27:44 probably barely breaks even. Yeah, I've heard that before. You play Madison Square Garden to play Marrison Square Garden. Yeah. 1720 in L.A., very low cost. Beautiful. And it's like very artist friendly. It's wonderful.

Starting point is 00:27:58 It is way cheaper than some venues a third of its size. How about that? And that's the trade-off to the insane area that it's in. Yeah. But like in terms of what they do for bands and like, and the space that it provides. of them, it's kind of unbeatable. Did they get the parking yet?

Starting point is 00:28:18 No. I heard they were getting parking. I just heard that through the grape floor. I mean, that would change everything. Yeah. It's game over. If they get 900 parking spots, it's game over, you know? But that doesn't seem reasonable.

Starting point is 00:28:31 I mean, it's like there's a one and three chance your car is getting broken into. If you go there. So, I mean, I would Uber if I'm going to a show there, I'm Uber. I'm overing 100%. But, like, the space that it provides. and like it's just the artist is going to be the most finance it's going to be the most financially viable for the artist to do it there versus something like the belasco which i think is like 10 times that holy shit and fits maybe 300 more people yeah i mean something like that that the manhattan venue

Starting point is 00:29:04 was talking about terminal five like that's about as pro and as big as it gets like three balconies right huge huge complex you know insane overhead Yeah, I can't even imagine. So it's kind of like, fuck, man. Yeah. Do we just play somewhere smaller? Yeah. So then we went to Minneapolis.

Starting point is 00:29:23 Minneapolis is a fake city. It's the Truman Show. It's not a real place. Why do you say that? Every single interaction that I had there, and Taylor was with us. She rode with us for a few days, where we rented a car and we caravan.

Starting point is 00:29:36 Every single interaction was like, you're going on a script right now. You don't, you're not a human. I am on a television show right now. There's a camera. So Minneapolis has a Twilight Zone. I turned into a Martian type thing going on. I'm not even joking.

Starting point is 00:29:54 The second we got in, the Apple Car Place stopped, and the second we got out, it started again. Like, there's something going on in that city. The venue was crazy. It was like, the whole venue was on a slant. So, like, everyone is standing with their knees kind of bent. It was just spooky feeling. I don't know. Did you play the Prince venue or somewhere bigger? Somewhere bigger. A theater. Couldn't tell you. Won't be back. It scared me. Spooked me.

Starting point is 00:30:25 After that, Chicago. We played Concord Theater in Chicago. Felt good. Came home. Switched out. Did laundry. Nice. Doing laundry like 10 days into a tour is a beautiful thing. I mean, that's like, it's like you never left. Exactly. Got some food, saw the cats, saw my mom. played a sick gig, played the Concord, which we had never played before, so crossed that one off the list. And then we were on to the rest of this. Let's see.

Starting point is 00:30:55 Give me some highlights. I'm giving you some highlights. The next couple were pretty, honestly, once we made the change to getting there at 2.30, things started going smoothly because we had time to iron shit out. Sure. We played in a place called Sauget or Saugay. We actually don't know.

Starting point is 00:31:13 which is basically St. Louis, it's just across the river. It's in the parking lot of two strip clubs. You can imagine what that one was like. And guess what? The show, fucking banger. Oh, awesome. It was incredible, dude. There was a moment.

Starting point is 00:31:27 It's literally behind, like the backstop of the venue is a huge freight train railroad rail. And there was a part where a train was going by for a good 20 minutes, you know, just one of those long fuckers. 20 minutes? Did it help the shit? the show? Yeah. It was just before the show. But no exaggeration, 20 minutes.

Starting point is 00:31:48 And I was standing out there just watching. She's like, wow, look at that, huh? I look over. Matt from Hayprey was just like, oh, man, look at that. Like, we both were just like, can you fucking... The male urge. Yeah, totally. To stare at the long train.

Starting point is 00:32:02 And then you just kind of tell each other, like, the two things you know about trains, you know? It's like, that one's got cars in it. You know that? That's what those are. So, that was fun. But then we got to go to Oklahoma. And I got to try an Oklahoma onion burger for the first time. Yeah, I saw you posting about that.

Starting point is 00:32:23 Yeah. The name makes me physically ill, mentally ill, rectally ill. So I'm curious what an onion burger is. Okay, perfect. Tell the hat man, what an onion burger. You throw onions down. That is so... We'll get close to the mic, and I'll describe.

Starting point is 00:32:44 He's running his hatman nails across his next stubble. Go ahead and do that. Oh, that's the worst. That's nice. Throw onions down on a griddle, caramelize them, and then you smash a burger into that, and then when you flip it and cook both sides. So it's caramelized onions in the meat of a burger, and then it's usually a double patty.

Starting point is 00:33:07 I ordered one, and, or no, I ordered two, the exact. same way. And I said, oh, and let me get fries. And he's, he's, the guy said, two fries? I said, no, just one. Oh, and let me get a drink too. And he went, two drinks. I said, no, don't, just one. And he went, okay. There are two thirds of a pound of meat per. So I had a pound in a third of meat of burgers. So he was like, nobody gets this. This can't possibly feed. This son of a bitch, let me do that. He didn't say, just so you know, they're really big. Well, I don't like when people do that. Because let me tell you, McConnell's the ice cream place that I like a lot.

Starting point is 00:33:46 Yeah. A double is four scoops. Oh, I see. And every time I go, give me a double, they go, you know that's four sco. And I have to be like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Miss your fat fuck, but wants the four scoops, okay?

Starting point is 00:34:01 Tell the whole store, the fat dickhead wants four scoops, all right? What's the ones? Wait, look to your left again. The fat hat. the fat man needs four scoops all right it's true get over it

Starting point is 00:34:18 the profile looking that way is crazy no it's not the burger was excellent it's called tuckers it's like a chain but only kind of local local there

Starting point is 00:34:30 okay fantastic this was the night where I learned how they played Barry Dream so I was a very it was an enriching so you're full of onion going it's harmonics what

Starting point is 00:34:39 how the fuck yeah yeah How's he do that? Then after that, oh, good of you to bring up gastro things because this was the night. You shoot yourself? Where I made a reel about a beverage. Oh. Let me tell you, I get tagged in 10 things a day about this fucking thing.

Starting point is 00:34:59 Took over the world this guy. And here, I got a bone to pick with you. Please. That's my regular protein and it's now sold out at Costco. Oh, but we weren't buying the Costco. No, it's the same one. You can buy it in bulk at Costco. In the white bottles?

Starting point is 00:35:13 Gone. The white bottles at Costco? Gone. So that's less protein than the one I'm advocating for. I know, but that's the most you can buy there. So people are like, oh, they got it at Costco, I'll buy it. So now I'm out of my normal one. You're only allowed to buy two cases of it here.

Starting point is 00:35:28 It sucks. Why? They limit it because I think it's like hard to find. I mean, it's the best one. It's the best one. It's just like, why would I eat? You know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:39 Yeah. I'm just, dude, this is me now. Yeah. If they're, dude, if once they come out with like a savory sludge. Yeah, that's a hundred rins. I can eat instead of food. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:50 Game over. So, you take, and shout out to Danhausen, a friend of the show, he did some research and he opened my eyes to something. If you add the soda first and then the protein, it's better than the opposite. Really? So take a sugar-free soda. I found that sunk his... zero or A and W zero. Oh, that's good shit.

Starting point is 00:36:13 That first with the vanilla protein equal one to one outstanding. Outstanding. Highly recommended. I didn't invent it. I didn't invent it. James had seen it and mentioned it.

Starting point is 00:36:27 We tried it. We loved it. You popularized it, though. Okay. Hey, I'll take it. You know, you should try next. What's that? Yeah. together. And then I'll come see you.

Starting point is 00:36:45 And then I can just visit you. And then I can come anytime. Oh, it sucks so much. Hey, what happened next? Next was San Antonio. And I got a bone to pick. I mentioned this to you, Colin. We talked about this briefly.

Starting point is 00:37:03 I'm not, I decided I'm not going to mention the gym. Because there's other trainers at this gym who, they don't deserve to lose business because of one guy. sure so I won't mention the gym or the guy's name or anything friend of the show I could I could if this gets back to you and I know your name fucker but I won't do that friend of the show you take some Benadro motherfucker so I'll come see come see it uh friend of the show and trainer personal training

Starting point is 00:37:32 extraordinary Rocky came to San Antonio found a gym for me and Nick to join him at and to work out at it's an influencer gym you know kind of fancy kind of we get in and it's one of those things where you have to like text the number to be let in

Starting point is 00:37:48 after you pay a fee to be a guest which is fine. We did that. We waited outside in like 90 degree weather for like 15 minutes. Finally the door buzzes us in

Starting point is 00:37:58 so we walk in. You know, there's no one at the front desk. So we're like, okay, we're just in because I texted a number that I got from an email receipt.

Starting point is 00:38:05 Okay. Right. See Rocky. Say, what's up? Go and change. Walk out of the dressing room in some fucker.

Starting point is 00:38:12 goes, come here. That's how he greets me. Not, hey, can I, come here. Like, he's my father. And he says, how did you get into my gym? And I said, I got buzzed in. He said, who buzzed you in? I said, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:38:28 I have no way of knowing that. And I say, you know, I reach from my phone. I say, I pay it a day. Here's my receipt. I paid for the, and he said, okay, we got buzzed in at 5.10. He said, we closed at 5. There's 50 people in this gym.

Starting point is 00:38:42 What kind of Mickey Mouse, dickhead bullshit gym closes at 5 p.m. 5 p.m. So I go, okay, well. That's why most influencers wake up. Tell me about it. Preaching to the fucking. So I go, you know, okay, I didn't know that. He says, well, that's what it says on the internet.

Starting point is 00:39:01 And I go, I put my hands up. I literally, I hit him with kind of a soy boy thing. I was like, you're coming in a little hot. I just hit him with that. Like, hey, take it easy. And he's like, I'm not being hostile. I'm asking you questions. And I say, all right, I'll just leave.

Starting point is 00:39:13 You're closed. It's fine. And he says, you don't have to do that. puts his hand on my shoulder. I feel more comfortable leaving. Go back with the group. Nick meets up with us. And I say, hey, man, I'm leaving. You can stay if you want, but I can't, I can't handle this guy.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Yeah. And he, like, goes to Rocky. He's like, this guy wants to leave. I couldn't tell you why. But I guess, I guess blah, blah. And Rocky's like, all right, cool. We're leaving. Like Rocky, he's down.

Starting point is 00:39:36 And he's like, fine, fuck it. We'll go somewhere else. The guy was like, all right, well, I'm going to give you your money. because that's not fair. He didn't work out. And I was like, great. He paid for it. And, you know, whatever.

Starting point is 00:39:48 And so we got out of there and we went to a, in any time and I hit a bench press PR. So whatever. Fucker. Could have been there. Could have been there. Could have been influential. I could mention the name of the place on this show.

Starting point is 00:40:03 And maybe they would, you know what I mean? Like, it sucks. But whatever. Don't do that. If you run a business, be nice. I'm not sneaking into change into my, workout clothes in your gym. Come out. Anyway, the show

Starting point is 00:40:15 rocked at San Antonio. We did the Sepuleturo cover for the first time with Fernando from Crypta. Oh yeah, that's very cool. It was awesome. During the base break, she says some shit in Portuguese. I couldn't tell you what it is. But it's awesome. It's fucking, dude, I like chills every night that we would do it. So that was sick.

Starting point is 00:40:33 Then we had an off day. And, Colin, this is where the calamity starts. Which one? We got a flat tire. Oh, right. Yeah, that's bad. Penn passed El Paso on our way to Phoenix. All told it only took about two hours to get, it would have been U-Haul out there to replace the tire,

Starting point is 00:40:50 so everything was fine. We get a flat tire, which has never happened to us before. We pull over. We get out within five minutes, another car gets a flat tire. Oh, dude, I didn't even tell you. What's that? I got a flat tire.

Starting point is 00:41:03 I mean, I did tell you that. But the way that I got it was this pothole. Yeah. And my tire exploded. Everybody was like, why don't you just change it? It's exploded. I can't fix it. It's gone.

Starting point is 00:41:16 Yeah. And I pull over and there's five other cars pulled over. And then five other cars come. And the tow trucks are like, yeah, we've had about 100. We've towed about 100 cars today. You're kidding me. So there's something going on out there. Well, so interestingly, when we pulled over, car did it.

Starting point is 00:41:35 And while we were looking, there were remnants of a flat change. so at least three cars right tow truck guy comes out he changes it in 10 seconds it's unbelievable and he's like yeah there's about an 80 mile stretch on this road we're out here all day all day this is all I do so something with the road

Starting point is 00:41:54 something going on with the road on the 10 headed west we leave past two more cars with flats like a mile down the road crazy conspiracy yeah I don't know we get out to Phoenix

Starting point is 00:42:09 Phoenix. Phoenix was one of the best shows of the entire tour. I mean, Hallelujah. Dude, yeah, because we need that. Good for Phoenix, man. You need something between Austin and L.A. It's beautiful. And, like, I've loved playing Arizona for a long time.

Starting point is 00:42:24 It's like a third or fourth home to us. Haven't been back in a while. But, like, when it hits, my God, it's unbelievable. It was fucking awesome. Beautiful. It was, it was, you ever, this is a funny thing to talk about. You ever play a show and, like, you look,

Starting point is 00:42:39 Like me and Chris are the oldest, he's the oldest friend I have, right? So like, we'll look at each other. We know what each other are thinking, whatever, you know. And you look at each other while you're playing and he just hit me with like a, you know. Or you just knew like, this show is really good. This show is, we're in. Like, we are into this set. That was that show where it was like, fuck yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:59 It felt really good. And yeah, that was the night that we had the barcade thing. And then my dear boy, I saw you the next day. Wiltern. At the Wiltern. What a pile of shit. You have to pay extra to mosh to be in the pit. So I'd never seen this before outside of like a fest.

Starting point is 00:43:18 But yeah, in order to be in the closest area to the barricade, it costs more money. Horrific. One of the worst business models ever. We had two pits at one point. We had one in where you would expect a pit to be, but it was kind of... You had the one percent or pit right in front of you. Yeah. Yeah, straight up.

Starting point is 00:43:34 You got the loyal 99. Yeah, the blue collars. right up there. In the back. And that was cool. You know how it is when you play. Obviously, when you play L.A., it's like that anytime. But like, what's your, what's the second home for you?

Starting point is 00:43:50 The Bay or something? The Bay, yeah. So when you play the Bay, you just see 100 people you know. It's so overwhelming. It's so it was that, you know, it was that for us. It was a very busy day. But I spent most of the time with you and your brother. Yeah, we hung out all day.

Starting point is 00:44:03 It was a delight, honestly. So that was sick. you hooked me up with some fucking Twitch Twitch fits swag I did I really swagged you That I I like saved and put in my suitcase Because I didn't want to get to get like road messies I can't wait to wear that for Halloween

Starting point is 00:44:19 Oh The next show was Riverside Which was hey The A market was L.A You would say the Riverside was the B market Smoked up smokes Slamming Yeah that's what I thought

Starting point is 00:44:33 It was fucking awesome that's the real heads the river the riverside hate breed and riverside yeah yeah you're getting the that are as die hard as they come no pun intended are

Starting point is 00:44:48 what a banger dude dude when it's the fasting and then it goes into that slow one with the guy with the low hard shit um and then we made our way up the coast there was we had a day off no bay area no

Starting point is 00:45:04 Sacramento show there must be, there had to have been a reason, so obviously I won't question it, but that was a bummer. Did they just play over after Shockers? They must, no, because that was while we were on tour. Oh, right. But there must have been something. There must have been something. I can't imagine skipping the Bay or Sacramento or whatever, but we got to Portland.

Starting point is 00:45:24 Portland was great. We had played there before with Ghost Main, so we were starting to get into some familiar territories and we never get up there. So that's, I would say Portland, Seattle, Vancouver. probably A markets, but no one gets up there. So it's like... It's tough, yeah, man. And when you do, like the bands that do consistently kill there forever, you know?

Starting point is 00:45:44 Yeah. And all three of these were like smashes. Like attendance, merch, vibe all across the board. They're all great. So Portland rocked. Then we came into the crux, the major event. No. First we played Vancouver.

Starting point is 00:46:01 We skipped Seattle. Vancouver was great. This is where I saw the girl puke in her hand. during hate breed. What did she do with that? I'm going to demonstrate this. I'm walking by our merch table. I was saying hello to her friend.

Starting point is 00:46:12 I was watching a little bit of hate breed. A girl looks me in the eye. She's like this. As she's walking by me, right? She goes, and then she goes, and then keeps walking. That's what happened.

Starting point is 00:46:27 That's how they do it in Vancouver. The hat man disapproved. I, me and my friend, both like, like gasp like oh fuck that's scarier than anything

Starting point is 00:46:40 I've seen this Halloween because then what does she do what do you do this that's the the natural human instincts to bring your hand into a puke situation makes no sense

Starting point is 00:46:53 you're right why would you keep it in making you're creating a second splash that's only going to splash ruin you further whereas if you just yeah if you just hit a

Starting point is 00:47:04 ooh it's going to be much safer for yourself and everyone you know. So I didn't like that. But there was an army surplus. Dude, I bought a pair of Rothko Camel cargo pants off the rack. It fit like a dream. Beautiful. 60 bucks, you know?

Starting point is 00:47:22 Beautiful. Canadian. Oh, so six bucks. The C&D is really hurting right now. But then we got to, then next day was Seattle. Now, oh, no, wait. I'm sorry, I'm a little jumbled because I drove 13 hours. But we got to Eugene, Oregon before all of this.

Starting point is 00:47:46 But anyway, we got there, right? It was a Best Western. Sometimes Slim Pickens, we don't like Best Westerns. But newer Best Westerns are nice. You know, they're normal hotels. This was one of those like horseshoe-shaped ones where you park in the middle and you're right at your door. You know, no good, like a motel. No good.

Starting point is 00:48:02 Yeah. as we're getting in and we're walking into the office, a guy who we realized worked there, but he was still sketchy, he went, he spoke in. He was like, you got anything in the trailer? And we went,

Starting point is 00:48:15 I went, no. He went, all right. Don't know what that was. Maybe he was trying to be helpful. But he told us specifically, you can't park, like there's no room for you're in the middle.

Starting point is 00:48:25 There was, but you can't park in the hotel. We could have. So it's just like, hey, keep your trailer somewhere else, huh? So I went and it was right in the parking lot of like a huge shopping complex. So I like backed it up to a wall, put our boot on. As I was walking to go and do that, a car slowly drove past.

Starting point is 00:48:43 Put the boot on, set it all up, got out, car slowly drove past the same. So you're just like, here we go. I was like, here we go. I walked to a gas station that was literally right there in the same parking lot. And there's a dude working. I was like, hey man, this area is like a little. And he went, yeah. And I went.

Starting point is 00:48:59 So I'm here. I got a van. in a trailer that I cannot afford to lose. And he's in, before I could finish, he said, I wouldn't stay here. So I then go to the room and we get two rooms. Everybody was in the one with James. And I opened the door and they all looked at me and I said, we shouldn't stay here. And they were all like, we were just going to tell you that.

Starting point is 00:49:21 We need to go. Because I drove. So they were like, fuck, he drove. We don't want to like. Right. We drove up another hour. No, sometimes you got to call that audible, man. It ain't worth it.

Starting point is 00:49:30 Everyone felt the vibe was off. And it probably was. And it probably was. And hey, I explained this on the internet. I'd like to go over it. Every three years, something really bad happens to harm's way. Okay. Now, walk me back through the timeline.

Starting point is 00:49:45 Yes, sir. 2009, John Caution of Weekan Nachos and another John, quit the band in the same week, and one of them on the same day that James broke his arm during a show. Three years later, we had our van stolen in Chicago, stolen entirely. Three years later in Dallas, our van was broken into. We had all of our backpacks, computers, GoPro's passports, all stolen. Three years later, we had our trailer stolen in Vegas. Three years later, over COVID, the room above our practice space flooded a pipe burst and got all over our shit. It was covered by insurance, but...

Starting point is 00:50:21 2024? 2024, we were taking no chances until we got to Seattle. we went down a hill before the venue. We got to the street. The venue was on and the transmission blew. So just right on time, right at the 10th month of the year, the van died. We got the van in 2015 with about 90,000 on it. And she died with 250,000 miles on it.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Same transmission the whole time? Whole time. And what would a new transmission of cost? More than it was worth. Like six. Like more than the van was worth. Yeah, more than the van's worth. So we said goodbye to the beloved Ford E350, 15 passenger.

Starting point is 00:51:09 She's gone. We knew this happened and then had to play the show. So that's weird. The show was great. Everybody could kind of hang out. And we had no choice but to hang out because there was an off day to then get to Salt Lake. Okay. Shout out to King Yosef.

Starting point is 00:51:30 who is a Corman. Oh, King, dude, legend. A corpsman. He does electronic stuff. I think kind of hip-hop stuff you would call it. You know, I'm not an expert. Yeah, I think he did some writing for some pretty big dudes. He has a van with a couple of other people.

Starting point is 00:51:47 A guy named Cameron drove the van up on like eight hours notice. Wow. From Portland to Seattle. It's a new Ford Transit. Got a hitch. Put the trailer on. We were about an hour and a half late. to where we need to be.

Starting point is 00:52:02 No fucking problem. We drove... We drove 17 hours to get to Salt Lake. And we made it in time for sound check. Wow. Because we don't miss shows. We're not letting the Kurtz beat us. I've missed some shows for sure.

Starting point is 00:52:20 Yeah, I wanted... God knows I wanted to. But hey, we made it. We played the complex in Salt Lake. It's a huge fucking place, but it rocked. And let me tell you, dude, we just covered a little hack. I mean, obviously, this is going to sound obvious to you, but during breeding grounds that we knew there were a lot of Corman out there. Yeah. During breeding grounds, during the

Starting point is 00:52:40 intro, the ringouts, James, James sent it out. James said to Salt Lake Straight Edge, I heard a pop over the monitors. That's all you need, man. I, and saw kids, like out of the crowd, like, like, free thing. And Salt Lake is like. Come on. Legendarily straightage. It was awesome. It was great. Beautiful. It was great.

Starting point is 00:53:10 I love to hear that that's still the case there. Very much so. Saw front of the show Sarah Gibson. She came out. Legend. She was... Greatest singer in the world. Greatest, truly one of the best singers.

Starting point is 00:53:22 Self-taught. No lessons. No lessons. Then we had to get to... Now, this is where it all got difficult. So it went from Seattle to every day now. Or Salt Lake, every day now is an 8 to 10. hour drive every single night with losing an hour the whole way. Oh yeah. Nice. So you got to get to Denver.

Starting point is 00:53:43 We got to Denver. And then we started leaving early. Do we started leaving once carcass started? Really? Because you can look at the square app and see when you're selling stuff, right? Right. We could see on the graph that after a certain time, we're selling five shirts every night. So it's like, okay, well, if it gets this on the road two hours earlier, let's fucking cut our loss. I mean, that's huge. Yeah. so we started doing that's that's that's that makes it breaks you yeah so we're existing we went from salt lake to essentially virginia i'm sorry seattle to virginia beach in seven days sunday to sunday which with playing a show no days off one day off to get to salt lake but this is you know totality yeah this is where it really started to hurt this is where things got difficult um

Starting point is 00:54:30 Denver was fucking great. It was in Summit Music Hall. It was awesome. Let me tell you something about Kansas City, Missouri. Tell me. A delight. Really? Dude, the B markets. They were all awesome.

Starting point is 00:54:47 Every single time. I mean, the B market, with the band that's been grinding the B market, the hardest forever, kind of untouchable. It was outstanding. It was Florida. Frank's birthday in Kansas City. And, yeah, he's just awesome. I know I sound like a broker record, but every,

Starting point is 00:55:11 everyone on this tour was great. And it was so, what a relief. Then we went to- Confront, ringworm, hatred, terror. That's the greatest. Integrity. Integrity, Jesus Christ. That's the greatest, greatest personal discography in history.

Starting point is 00:55:30 of the genre. It's unbelievable. It's funny. I wrote in my notes, now it's all a blur because this is, I'm truly like we're on five hours sleep every night. You know, this is where it's getting tough. But eventually we get to Greensboro and I got to play. Yeah, the hat man, he was out there, dude, and he was ready for me. You, you're busy. I got to play Not One Truth with Haybreed. Beautiful. In Greensboro, North Carolina.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Tell me about how this came to be. I messaged Florida Frank and I said, hey, someone in Denver played drums, played tear it down. I saw that. So I messaged Frank. I said, what do I got to do to play guitar with Heybreed? And his immediate response was,

Starting point is 00:56:18 we'll get the ball rolling tomorrow. Wow. So I think that was in Nashville, kind of talking with them, kind of figuring stuff out. And they were like, well, what do you want to play? I was like, you know,

Starting point is 00:56:28 I don't want to tell, I don't want to insist on anything. I'll do whatever you want. I would love to play Puritan or Not One Truth. Those are my songs. And they said, well, we're not playing Puritan. How does Puritan start, Colin? How does Puritan start?

Starting point is 00:56:49 That's not one truth. It goes, da, da, da, da, da, da. Bastard, cry, yeah. Right? We're touring with carcass. Mmm. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Right.

Starting point is 00:57:05 They weren't playing that song, but still, I think, maybe out of, I don't know, I don't know, do you think that's too much to share? No, I mean, Josh has a whole segment on his show about the sandwich thing. They're like, you owe me a sandwich, you stole my part. There we go. I think it's fine. So I think there's a sandwich there. So they weren't playing Puritan. And I was like, well, that one truth is my, like, that's my song.

Starting point is 00:57:26 Yeah. And they were like, we haven't really, we haven't had it in the settlement. list, but we'll do it at sound check. We'll see how it feels. And then I get to Greensboro and I say hi to Frank and he says, you want the good news or the bad news? I was like, bad.

Starting point is 00:57:40 And he goes, the bad news is you got to play my guitar, but the good news is we'll do the song. And I went, why is that bad? He said, well, it's going to be low on you. Guy like me. So, the only thing, and as we've said about Hey, Breed,

Starting point is 00:57:58 they don't know when they're playing it because it's all, it's all... That, I mean, that's Sean. Every time Sean does the guest spot, he's like, I don't know when the fuck this thing's happening. Yeah, yeah. Did you catch you on, catch on to like any of the cues? Of course.

Starting point is 00:58:13 When you show up to work tomorrow, nobody's going to have any voices. And if anybody tries to give you shit, you tell them, today is not the fucking dirty. That's one. There is, you know, who's seen Hayprey for the... Who's seen Hayprey before? Who's seen Haypery for the first time?

Starting point is 00:58:29 well thank you because you are now officially as die hard there you go so yeah there there are cues and then they do blocks they kind of do blocks based on the cues which is an interesting kind of fun way to do it because most nights they kind of closed the same thing last night they were closing with smash your enemies before dishonor I will be heard it was like incredible you know so it's just like they usually open and close with the same things but they change it up it was awesome it's really interesting looking at their like Spotify top four and that it's like three out of four from the concrete confession.

Starting point is 00:59:02 Yep. Like they do not really need to play satisfaction or under the knife stuff and they choose to. It's the coolest style on the planet. Because when he does the thing each night where he's like, you want to hear something old? Who wants to hear something off under the knife? Under the knife gets no pop.

Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah, right. So he's like, yeah. Satisfaction barely gets a pop. Perseverance uproar. Yeah, big pop. which is both cool and like, wow, look at your longevity. Yeah. Good job. Yeah. Great point.

Starting point is 00:59:36 So, but Frank said, as they were setting up, he's like, it's going to be after the ball. They do the ball of death. So I kind of had like a cue. But this was a night where, and I like to talk about, this is fun. My band knew I was doing it. The other bands knew that I was going to do it. Everyone was side stage. We're all singing along to Heybred.

Starting point is 00:59:52 Right. The vibe, like the show, it's, dude, the show itself. was like perfect. The vibe was immaculate. There was constant crowd surfing. Like everybody was pumped. So the ball happens and they get to the end of a block. Frank points at me, gives me his guitar. He grabs another guitar. And we roll into Not One Truth. And it was, I did it without earplugs. It hurt. But it was fucking awesome. And there's a video of it during the last burn at the stake, Josta puts his arm around me and I sang it while playing. it's really high and it sounds really funny

Starting point is 01:00:38 but I hit it I didn't fuck up the old car horn oh yeah but it was awesome and it was an honor and it was truly like you know what's funny

Starting point is 01:00:47 is I figured out I played House of Hell with Ringworm which Frank wrote and then played this song on Frank's guitar which Jamie wrote with Frank's guitar

Starting point is 01:00:57 with Frank's guitar so next I got integrity next I got to do psychological warfare yeah and then we got to get can front back together

Starting point is 01:01:06 and then you play one of those. It's going to be really awesome when this clip is on the hard lore page with absolutely no context to why I am the hat man and you are a pirate. Oh, I love Halloween.

Starting point is 01:01:22 It's awesome. And then to wrap it up, perfect, to wrap it up the tour, last night we decided it's the last night. It's the closest to Halloween. We decided within 24 hours that Harmsway was going to be haypried.

Starting point is 01:01:33 It looked great. Nick Wayne was outstanding. Dude. dude okay I had an inside man to get me out of the bus and his name is Matt and he got he grabbed a jersey for me for Frank's outfit so good across the street from the venue last night was a lids

Starting point is 01:01:50 so I went and bought a Broncos hat dude perfect it was perfect Nick bought a blank black snapback perfect there was a point in time after Nick put on the goatee and did all the and it was wearing everything where I turned around and I shit literally to myself I went oh shit Wayne's here he's gonna know

Starting point is 01:02:06 and it was Nick. It was just Nick. It was perfect. Casey Beattie was very good. It was crazy. James Josta. We tried to, the funny thing is we tried to find like a black

Starting point is 01:02:19 just basic jersey because Jamie wears like a Raiders jersey. Yeah. Finding like a penny or just like a black jersey is really difficult. So we couldn't find one. So he had a Josta shirt. And then dude, Chris was obsessed with finding

Starting point is 01:02:32 a Pukeshell necklace because Matt wears one. couldn't find Pookishelow because of 2024. We, in that same mall that the Lids was in was Eclares and Chris is wearing a pearl necklace. Like a fake pearl necklace. But you wouldn't know. No, no, you got the job done. Outstanding work.

Starting point is 01:02:50 Shout out to dear friend of the show, Alex Young, who brought us a bunch of sweatbands, wristbands and shit. He went to Dix for me and brought us stuff. Also brought us cookies that his mom made. Come on. And yeah, we played as dude. The big two. You will love this. Dicks and cookies.

Starting point is 01:03:07 What? New podcast. During our second song we played as human caring capacity, the breakdown is Diggad-d-d-l-l-l-d-lent-d-d-lint-dent, right? Dill-litt-l-l-lint-dent. With the lead-in, and then we all come into it. So at first it's Nick, and then it's me, and then it's Nick again. We switch off now.

Starting point is 01:03:24 So it went dill-l-l-lint-dent. I went did-l-l-l-l-d-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-and-and-he did the fucking proven riff. I just need to point something else out to you. You're saying, that's frantic TikTok dude wow oh wow yeah I never even thought about that

Starting point is 01:03:49 but yeah Nick just threw in the proven riff I was doing like Frank's like circle pit thing I was I hate this man I was doing uh I did how's everybody doing on Nick side hit some of those it was a lot of fun I was afraid

Starting point is 01:04:06 Isn't it funny that doing something like that like impersonating hate breed just made you like a best performer. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. It, like, made the whole vibe better. Therefore, everybody's walking away from that set going, like, that Harm's Way band was really good when you were just doing a breed. And you can't expect them to know what the members look like and stuff, you know? So, like, to a lot of them, I was just a guy in a Broncos jersey with a Broncos head on us. A Gator's jersey. Yeah, I've just played in many great bands. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm Florida Bow. But they were, they, they were all like very cool about

Starting point is 01:04:40 Got it. Now, you know, and also I think the jersey I took was like brand new. Oh. So I felt a little bit. But I wore a shirt and I put some, some lobo on it. You know, I made it smile. I made it nice. He's going to be, he's glad bow wore it.

Starting point is 01:04:53 Yeah. Yeah. And it was fucking awesome, man. Said goodbyes. Drove here. And here I am. Welcome back. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:05:02 So sleepy. I recommend 10 to 15 Benadryl tonight. You know what I would recommend, Colin? Hmm. A little thing called AG1. You're preaching to the choir here at this point because without AG1

Starting point is 01:05:15 I wouldn't be able to do what I do And what's that? That's a fact. Yeah. On people's dreams Get them. I wouldn't be able to get anything without AG1 because it's the first thing I do every single day.

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Starting point is 01:06:08 our link. Incredible question, because they're going to get five free travel packs and a year supply of vitamin D. Let me tell you something about these travel packs. I just took 30 of them with me on this, on this tour. I took it. 30? Well, I took 30 to be safe. Wow.

Starting point is 01:06:28 Took it every day. Yeah. I feel great. No issues. Felt energized. I felt like I was doing something good for me. You know what I mean? Which on tour, tough to come by.

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Starting point is 01:06:57 Hmm? It's a good ad. How do I transition this? Good adjective to say about Manscaped is it's awesome. Manscaped is awesome. I brought with me on this tour the crop reviver and the body scrubber because something with me on tour when I'm sweating a lot I break out a little bit so the body scrubber helps.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Interesting. I'm being vulnerable, you know? And let me tell you, you are more susceptible to a visit from the hatman if you stink. If you're stanking, that man is thanking about getting you. How's my nose look? No, if you are very smelly, trust me, the hat man can smell you from anywhere. So don't be caught dead while you're asleep. Okay?

Starting point is 01:07:47 Take 10 to 15 Benadryl. And if you smell good, I won't come. I won't bother you. The funny thing is, I'm so tired right now that I don't know if I'm hallucinating this. No, it's real. But because you don't stink because you use Manscape, I won't be telling it. Perfect. Colin.

Starting point is 01:08:06 Yeah. Tell me about Twitch fits. Well, before that, you get 20% off in free shipping. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. So Hardlore. And I also want to shout out Guilty Party real quick. Let's talk Guilty Party because it's the best menswear store in America and it's owned and operated by the drummer of Foundation.

Starting point is 01:08:23 What more do you need to know? Do you like clothes? Do you like good clothes? You like these incredible Ironheart jeans that the Hatman is wearing? These are pirate paints. But I can't get those at Guilty Party. But if you use Code Hardlaw, you're going to get 10% off. And this stuff.

Starting point is 01:08:41 Let me tell you. Let me tell you something. It costs a premium because it's worth a premium. And you're getting 10% off of something that's legitimately. How many, dude, let's sidebar and it has to do with this what we're talking about. How often are you asked about what you're wearing? Every single day. Every single day. Every single time I post a thing.

Starting point is 01:09:04 Yeah. There's something I'm wearing that somebody says, where did you get that? And generally the answer is guilty party. Lately, it's been guilty party. Yes, agreed. So, you know, I've got my new favorite boots. I got my new favorite jeans. I got my new favorite jacket other than the Twitchfix jacket.

Starting point is 01:09:18 And you could do the same thing. Just use Cardhard Lord. Trust me. Buy it nice or buy it twice. Okay? Get a shitty one now and have to replace it later or go to Guilty Party and get something you might just have for the rest of your life. That's actually true with several of the things they sell.

Starting point is 01:09:36 Excellent job. Very well done. Colin. Tell me about Twitchfitts. I can do that. You know, last year, it was, we did Twitchfitts volume one, and it was like, it was like a we had to type situation. Yeah, yeah, of course. Because it was a benefit thing for the pit.

Starting point is 01:09:56 The day after that show, I had a note to app in my phone with volume two, every track on it, with like venue info, with like a date, with what, everything we wanted. We were immediately like, how do we, how do we, how do we, how do we? make Halloween hours, you know? Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and give it back to the people in some, like, give them something to look forward to and make it annual. This is the year where we clarified, like, yes, this is annual, you know? Yeah, I love it, yeah. I don't know that we can do LPs and 10 covers every year. Yeah, right. But, I mean, once, a show, a show, 100%, you know, I can promise a volume three that I can say. That's good. That's good. Lord knows there's enough out there.

Starting point is 01:10:39 There's enough out there, but I do think we need to have some original music before we do a volume three. Love it. Wink, nod, nudge, etc. So this year, you know, we have Mike on drums. Kail was with us last year. He passed. He was hearing the miss-its for the first time.

Starting point is 01:11:00 He triumphantly learned 10 songs in three weeks, made it work. Mike was much more familiar with the discography. So it was a lot easier this year. I mean, last year it took, like, legit, like, 12 to 15 practices to, like, play the set. Sure. So we booked out in October for preparing for that. Yeah. And the second practice, we played the entire set.

Starting point is 01:11:26 Which, like, Mike, this is Mike's first switching tongues recording since disarmony. Beautiful. Love it. So there's a lot of, like, beautiful, poetic things that happened here. It was our first recording at the new pit. How was it? How did it feel? I mean, it's unbole. Like, even, I would say even sonically, volume one to volume two is not even close.

Starting point is 01:11:47 I would agree. And recorded the same exact way, completely live, with the band playing altogether, me and the other room. Now, you didn't go back and fix vocal takes or anything. No, I added stuff. And there's like, there's a couple of things where, like, doing 10 songs in a row. you're going to sound worse by the last song. A hundred percent. And there's a lot of that we left there.

Starting point is 01:12:12 I love that. What are some specific moments? The second chorus of Saturday night, I do the low register because I'm cooked. Got it. So we planned in advance, because this is live, I'm going to do the low one for the second one, and Alex's going to take over the high one.

Starting point is 01:12:31 Beautiful. How smart. And it's like, it was a lot of cool, it's like practical effects in within the music you know yeah yeah where like we change things in ways where they would work live or like planned like okay this will be gang vocal so that I don't have to do it

Starting point is 01:12:45 you know of course like doing AD AD every time I would have been cooked I mean dance never did that you know exactly doing the death comes ripping every time with that with the woes and the word under it

Starting point is 01:13:00 impossible got it so we just planned little logistic things and like this part like the woes i can add later so i don't have to do those now and stephen got footage of the whole thing so stephen uh here's some of saturday night which i know he was in the room for amazing there it's see it's that's what you're hearing on the record it's it's commendable and i need to everyone to to really think about doing something live and in one shot or one take and then not going back and correcting anything yeah i mean it's

Starting point is 01:13:57 And it was very little what we did correct. And a lot of it was like a couple layers of just like this should be bigger. Yeah, right. And like we really made a legitimate. I was like, should we fix more stuff? And Alec was the one that was like, I think it's better if it's just like what you did. And if it's live. So I'm glad that that was the way we did it.

Starting point is 01:14:18 There's very little that we fixed. It was like maybe 20 minutes of fixing stuff. That's very much in the spirit of what you're doing. That was the point. And 100%. It's the same thing as like, personally, when, for like God's hate, we've never used a click track on a recording.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Because it just takes away something for me. Like, it takes away the raw, natural energy. And not just for me. Like, not everybody. Like, Holy Blade's always going to use a click, et cetera, you know? Yeah. Where this is the same thing where it's like, it should be kind of fucked up.

Starting point is 01:14:55 I 100% should be raw it should it should it should waver it should be all over the place and it's not like we're not going to do the goal isn't do a better version of these things because that's impossible and if it sounded perfect like technically perfect it's boring it's then it's boring yeah like there's a I mean there are bands actively covering the misfits where I hear them and I go thank God we're doing this yeah right yeah right right like this is not faking auto tuning and pitch correcting absolutely absolutely everything and triggering drums for misfits covers, it's criminal. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:31 It's pointless. Why do it? It is like doing the Hobbit movies in a green room. It's not, come on. This is not what this music was for. It was for chaos and violence and to scare people. This is like the most fucking subversive art that existed when it was ready. You're right.

Starting point is 01:15:52 Yeah. Yeah. It's like the exorcists and the misfits are there. to scare people. Love it. So yeah, these, I mean, these are to us, to the royal us, the best punk songs. Oh, my, my smile, Phil. To us, the best punk songs ever.

Starting point is 01:16:05 Lost your smile, dude. And the goal is to just, like, give them to an audience that never got to see them and, and play them. We never got to see them in this, in this environment either. No, no. So it's, it's, we leave feeling inspired. Yeah. We leave having fun. And we, I personally get to, like, oversee the creativity.

Starting point is 01:16:25 creation of an amazing piece of physical media that I'm I get to be very proud of at the end you know I'm I ordered it the second it went up I appreciate that I would have sent you one I know I know you would have but I like I believe in what you're doing in the sense of specifically the vinyl like physical media aspect and also making it I know some of the details about what people are going to get and it's fucking cool and I'm adding things every day at this point I got a new idea steven you're going to have to cut this because I'm going to tell bow right now. I'm going to do a... That's genius because that's just a...

Starting point is 01:16:59 Oh, that's so smart. Tell me about the show. I had... Obviously, I had FOMO for you guys. I had FOMO for the Metallica set. Oh, that was outstanding. I mean, top to bottom, this was like... I spent like six months thinking about

Starting point is 01:17:15 who could play this. Yeah. And there were many different variations of it. I won't say them because I want them to play next year. Yeah. so I won't spoil them. One of them would have been huge, and I think will be huge when we get it.

Starting point is 01:17:30 Love it. We had Fire Starter as Floor Punch up first, opening with the Final Mosh. The Final Mosh, which is, if you don't know, don't just go and YouTube it. Just go to YouTube Floor Punch, Final Mosh. Search that and get back to me. And you're going to hear the coolest shit ever. And Fire Sartre just did that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:50 And then played a bunch of bangers. It was beautiful. Leave No Doubt was A.F. they shaved Juan's head from Fire Starter right in the back right before they So he had hair during Fire Starry. Holy shit, that's amazing. Shaved head for leaving out out. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:04 It was art. Oh, real quick. Speaking of Floor Punch, I don't think he'll mind if I say this, but we were talking about, I was talking to Porter a very little bit. And he said, we always thought of, in my eyes, as like, regular youth crew and floor punch as evil youth crew. Evil youth crew. And it was, and it was, oh, it was about our tattoos.

Starting point is 01:18:33 Sorry, I, I just had to remember. We always thought of, in my eyes, as a time to forgive youth today. And floor punch as, uh, we just might youth today. We just might. That is shockingly accurate. Yes. Sorry. And I'm more of a we just might man myself.

Starting point is 01:18:50 So that main, that's, that's crystal clear why. Yeah. Wow, you love floor punch. It rings true. Evil shit. Mm-mm. You know, it's beautiful. Human Garbage was next as negative approach.

Starting point is 01:19:01 They address all as different Shrek characters. Beautiful. I saw, yeah, I saw Farquot, I believe. It was amazing. It sounded perfect. And the upon stone set was like truly, they opened with Ecstasy of Gold into, from whom the belt holes, and like pitch black lights. And then the backdrop, the, like, video wall turned on after the bell. I had goosebumps.

Starting point is 01:19:26 It was perfect. I think I would have hurt myself. Oh, dude. I mean, Stephen will put some footage in here. Like, people spin kicking the entire set. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:19:36 I would have been pitting and stage diving, like a lot because like... Because when else are you ever going to get to do that? Exactly. I'll tell you when. Next year, because a Pondstone Metallica will absolutely be on it. I love it.

Starting point is 01:19:50 As long as they'd like to be. I love it. And I have to say as like a fan and as like a guitar player myself, all the videos I saw sounded fucking great. Oh, they don't mess around. No, it sounded great. So I'm very, very pleased, very pleasantly pleased. Yeah, they're locked in.

Starting point is 01:20:06 Anthony Anzaldo, Anthony Family as Prince was like, like, we were back, we were watching it just like, fuck, we really got to follow this, huh? Uh-huh. It was perfect. And the like presentation he put together was insane. This was the thing. So the original plan, Anthony was going to do a cramp set. Okay.

Starting point is 01:20:28 And last minute, he was kind of like, I have these cold cave shows. I can't do it. Uh-huh. And I was like, here's another idea. What if you don't do those and you do Prince? And he did Prince. So it was amazing. He went all.

Starting point is 01:20:48 I didn't know how hard he was going to go. You know, I expected him alone singing some Prince song. But like Sam Boston from command, trash talk, et cetera, played drums. Our friend Honor played bass. He had two backup singers. He had a ringer YouTube keyboard player. Really? Yes.

Starting point is 01:21:06 Who crushed. That's genius. Wow. It was crazy. And then it was our time. And we did all of our recorded tracks. So the set list was every song we've recorded. So how many songs is that?

Starting point is 01:21:20 And it was also, it was like a little thing of like, everybody in this room probably knows these these ones for sure because they heard us do yeah right right right and like did all of our they were like the sing-alongs was like with our little nuances like they did the diet coke line fuck yeah that felt good what was um what was your favorite on the new volume that you're just your personal favorite um i'll tell you what came the most naturally was london dungeon yeah that makes sense and i think there's There's such an inflection built into the melody. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:58 So a lot of people don't know this, but impressions and singing use the same muscle. Okay. And that's why you'll find that a lot of like SNL performers are really good singers. I see. So there's a certain, like with Dan's like it's hard not to do the voice. Not sometimes. Yeah. Huh.

Starting point is 01:22:17 And with London Dungeon, it just kind of happens. Like cowl. Yeah. See? It's like, you're talking about walking corpses. You can't just say walking corpses. You got to go, walking corpses. Yeah, they call us walking corpses.

Starting point is 01:22:30 No, that doesn't work. They call us walking corpses. Very good point. Very good point. And it just, it lends the words and the melodies really lend itself to just performing it. So that came very naturally. Doing Mommy was very fun. Doing Bullet was very fun.

Starting point is 01:22:50 Kill the girl. was then I kept a toast and teeth. Every night I'd love... Dude, that part's crazy because I... So the third one... Yeah, the third one is... He's just doing nonsense. So I basically got to re-decide how it went.

Starting point is 01:23:03 Yeah, yeah. You know, and I just added one fucking in there. And now it's like real words, which is that... It was cool. There was a moment where I was like, fuck, how do I do it accurately? Right. And then I realized kind of the whole point of this is to... Decide how to do it.

Starting point is 01:23:20 Yeah. Totally. Which was nice. Bullet is my favorite Bisfit song. And you sing on it. And I sing on it. And it's awesome.

Starting point is 01:23:29 Very funny. Very fun. That was very fun to do. A couple things didn't make it that we originally had planned. Okay. Like there's a couple songs that I would have wanted on this one instead of, I won't say, because we've got plans. We've got plans.

Starting point is 01:23:45 Good. Some that I'll be happening sooner than you think. Oh. But it's just like as like a bonding thing to do with your brother and two of your best friends, you know? Yeah, yeah. It just brings us closer every year. And we spend a month together. It's beautiful.

Starting point is 01:24:02 Which I guess we could do making our new record, sure. But this is easier. Yeah, it's truly just like the best experience. We looked forward to it all year. And we hope you enjoyed the record. You can't buy it anymore. It's gone. Which also, I love that.

Starting point is 01:24:25 That's some real Fiend Club shit, you know? Absolutely. Like, it's gone now. There's a cup, there's, you know, however many people bought it, you've got it. Nobody else will. I have possibly the most important piece of trivia pertaining to you and me that I've ever discovered. did you know Colin that Santa Claus as we know him today from his characteristics his outfit what he does is because of the Coca-Cola company I did know that though isn't that unbelievable

Starting point is 01:25:05 it's unbelievable that I never knew that because I was thinking to myself at one point how can they just use Santa surely like Disney owned Santa or something you know like I mean, at this point, it's probably public domain. Right, and it is. But Coca-Cola invented Santa, as we know. St. Nicholas, real guy. St. Nicholas, real guy, and then whoever the chimney sweep person is, real guy. Right.

Starting point is 01:25:29 And they kind of combined him into one thing. But the reason he wears Coke red and not crimson red, like Scott Calvin, is because of Coca-Cola. That's right. When I figured, I, God damn it, I've been sitting on this thinking I was going to blow your hat. Oh, I've known this my whole life. Son of a bitch. Yeah, man, that's why, like, when it's Christmas time, dude, I'm cracking up a Coke. I'm cracking open a Coke, and I've never, before I knew, I didn't know why.

Starting point is 01:25:58 Wow. Two things are very synonymous with Christmas time for me, and that is the milk chocolate Lindor Truffle, which is red and white, and Coca-Cola, which is red and white. Something else I was thinking of, and something I know you'll agree with. This country does a lot of things. It does a lot of fucked up things. It has a lot of sorted history. But one thing... We're in it right.

Starting point is 01:26:20 We're in some of it right now. 100%. Yes. One thing that we do right, that the whole world can kiss our asses over, and I mean that, is Halloween. Oh, 100%.

Starting point is 01:26:32 That is ours. No, 100%. And it may have... Touring overseas during Halloween is so fucking depressing. It may have overseas pagan roots. That's fine. I understand that.

Starting point is 01:26:43 and obviously, you know, whatever. No. They can have Sowan. Yeah. We'll take Halloween, baby. You can, yeah, absolutely, dude. I, in some of these little towns, things are, you know, pumpkins are out. The leaves are falling.

Starting point is 01:27:00 I am so excited for Halloween. Yeah. This is the best time of the year, dude. I spent, I started watching horror movies, like, for my annual kind of rewatch through on, like, August 15th. I watched probably three a day since. It's the one thing I think we can unanimously agree that this country does right. Halloween.

Starting point is 01:27:22 Halloween. And hardcore punk music. Dude, let's go. And hey, misfits. And the fucking misfits, baby. Yeah, it's really beautiful. It brings people together and people get creative and do fun things. And, dude, a little bit of mischief.

Starting point is 01:27:42 Oh. Oh, come on. There's nothing better than that. There's nothing better than just like, I knocked a trash can over. I know. And then going to see you, friend. The only other thing I have in my note that we haven't talked about so far is I just wrote the word Jerusalem. And the reason I did is because I realized that the town named Salem has to come from Jerusalem.

Starting point is 01:28:07 How about that? Well, how did you, have you ever seen the movie Salem's Lot? Yeah, but I probably just forgot that. Drew is like crossed out on the sign. Well, of course it is. That makes total sense. But I literally, I read it as we were driving one night because there was a sign pointing to a Jerusalem wherever. And I went, that's got to be.

Starting point is 01:28:28 And that was it. I would love it if that's not the origin. And this was like a 30% right, Professor Bow moment. Yeah, totally. But I think it has to be. I mean, it is in Stephen King's Salem's lot. So to Stephen King, that's where it. came from.

Starting point is 01:28:43 It's good enough for me. It's good enough for the Hatman. So I guess it's time to go through the old Discord here. Perfect. Let's check some stuff out. Favorite lesser known horror movie. Would you call the game that's not a horror movie? Is it suspense?

Starting point is 01:29:03 That's a thriller. What do you got? I would say right now there's a movie that came out that's on Shudder right now. It's called Oddity. Oh yeah. It's an Irish horror movie. Brody loves it. It scared the fucking Dickens out of me.

Starting point is 01:29:19 So if you like getting the dickens scared out of you, like for real. Like there was a moment where you like know a scare is coming. Yeah. And it still gets you. Really? So if you're seeking that feeling right now, go watch Audity. Get back to me. Favorite Halloween activity as an adult?

Starting point is 01:29:39 Pumpkin patch is pretty good. See, I haven't carved a pumpkin this year. and I, it's making me homicidal. Okay. I'm actually fucking dying. Do you eat the pumpkin seeds? No, I'm not, no.

Starting point is 01:29:52 I'm not a pervert. No, I'm just kidding. But no, I don't. I wash them, I bake them, throw some salt on them, and then you watch a scary movie while you're eating pumpkin seeds. I mean, that sounds fun, but I don't want pumpkins growing inside me.

Starting point is 01:30:03 That's insane. My favorite Halloween activity is a adult would have to be what we're doing right now. Yeah, yes. This is outstanding. But you know what? I can't wait to do. is to one day own a home where I can give candy out to trick-or-treaters.

Starting point is 01:30:18 Yeah, not really a thing in Van Nuys, I'll tell you that much. Yeah. It sucks. Dude, trick-or-treating and sweating? Oh, it's, I mean, they trick-or-treat, but, like, not in my neighborhood. Yeah, I got you. There's a couple, like, historic trick-or-treating neighborhoods in L.A. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:36 That, like, every kid goes to. Cool. And there's, like, full-sized candy bars and all, and the works. Pretty. where I grew up, it was like, I mean, it's Haddonfield, Illinois. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's trick-or-treat. My child in Connecticut was very similar.

Starting point is 01:30:50 There you go. We're like, I'm trick-or-treating for hours. Yeah. Every house, their home. Do you remember, like, trick-or-treating in the snow? Oh, yeah. That's what's crazy to think about is like, it's going to be. There were historic blackouts.

Starting point is 01:31:03 Yeah. And during Halloween. And it's going to be 80 degrees here tomorrow. Really? Which is the 29th of October. It's going to be 80. In Chicago, it's fucked up. It's cold.

Starting point is 01:31:14 It's hot right now? Hot. It's cold here. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Or cold being like 71. Let's see. Tomorrow it's going to be 70. It's going to be 80.

Starting point is 01:31:27 The Hatman wins again. All right. Worst Halloween candy. Peanuts, probably. Peanuts? Like circus peanuts? Oh, I never got those. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Dude, like, we grew up poor. When my mom would run on a candy, she's handing. not pennies, brother. I mean, that's like, I would get a penny. I'd be like, I really appreciate that this lady tried. She tried. She tried. For sure. I'm not, I'm not a, like, fruit candy guy.

Starting point is 01:31:55 I'm with you. I don't want a Jolly Rancher. Give me a fucking Milky Way. Give me a Twix. Yeah. Give me a Kit Kat. Yeah. Even an M&M. Do the Kit Kat like snack size is the perfect? It's perfect. It's perfect. Yeah. I fully agree. But I really hate an almond joy. Oh, interesting. I love Almond Joy.

Starting point is 01:32:13 See, that's interesting. What sucks is you can't find the little Charleston Chews anymore. Those are so good. Oh, my God, Charleston Chews crazy. Do you freeze them? I mean, yeah, you'll fucking damn near break your shit off. Yeah, but it's so worth it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:32 Looks like my fucking nose. Let's see. Favorite Halloween costume as a kid or Halloween memory. I remember it being so cold and I'm being young that my dad, my dad like drove with us as we were trick-or-treating. Like as we were walking, my dad was in the car with the heat on, but he wore a Frankenstein mask to, you know, stay in the spirit. That's a fond memory for me. That's nice. Yeah, it was nice.

Starting point is 01:32:59 It was nice. Costume. Oh, I wanted to be a bat one time. I didn't want to be Dracula. I wanted to be a bat. So I was a bat. And that was really cool. Just had wings.

Starting point is 01:33:10 I was just a bat. Beautiful. Yeah. I was a nun in high school one year, and it was like a wild hit. Yeah, was it, was it controversial? Kind of, but it was in the year. Somebody in the yearbook liked it, so they put that nun everywhere. You know?

Starting point is 01:33:29 Holy shit. Wow. It was lit. Favorite movies to watch on Halloween. I know it's cliche, but the movie Halloween, I watch every Halloween. It's fair. And here's another one that's kind of left field to kill a mockingbird. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:33:48 It ends on Halloween. That's like the, it's a wonderful life of Halloween movies. It kind of is. But it's just like my dad and I used to watch it when I was a kid and we used to eat the pumpkin seeds. And it was just like very hyper nostalgic for me. It's, I can hear the score, you know. It's very. What about you?

Starting point is 01:34:07 I think for me recently, Trick or Treat has, has like not only entered my Halloween lexicon, but like exploded it. Yeah. I can't get enough of this movie. Really? It's unbelievable, dude. I've only seen it once. I think you should rewatch it.

Starting point is 01:34:23 The fucking bus crash segment is so goddamn good. So to me, on Halloween day, I will be watching trick-or-true. Are you a terror fireman? I'm not. I'm really happy for it. Yeah, right. Like, it's awesome. Because like, it's success.

Starting point is 01:34:40 is the biggest positive thing for the genre, for unrated movies in general. The fact that an unrated, no budget movie made $50 million is insane. I wonder if the, I mean, I read that they're going to make a part four, and it'll be kind of the end of art.

Starting point is 01:34:59 But wouldn't it be interesting if they got to do a thing where art is kind of the hero a la saw 10, you know? I mean, John Kramer's the protagonist the whole time. Okay. He's never, what's so awesome, dude, my favorite, John Kramer line ever in like Saw 4 after he's already murdered a bunch of people

Starting point is 01:35:18 as he goes, I don't condone murder. That's so awesome. I don't condone murder. I just put reverse bear traps on humans' heads. So awesome. He's incredible. There's no bad Saw movies, by the way. I'm just going to get that out there. I think they're all incredible.

Starting point is 01:35:38 Jigsaw? What's that? Oh. You should not say that. Fucking bullshit. Fucking bullshit. Let's see. What other Graves-era songs were under consideration?

Starting point is 01:35:52 I think the only one I'm like kind of, I don't know. There's two I'm dying to do. Okay. Do I say him? Yeah, why not? Dust to Dust is an incredible song. Unbelievable track. The backup,

Starting point is 01:36:06 Dut to Daz is like. Dust to Duh. And from American Psycho, the song, Speak of the devil. Oh, that's a deep cut. Banger, dude. Speak of the devil. Oh, speak.

Starting point is 01:36:21 Banger. I mean, scream rocks, dig upper bones, rocks. I'm not much of a scream guy. I really, dig up for bones. Obviously great. Scream is, I think, the first Misfit song I ever heard. Interesting. And I don't think I liked it.

Starting point is 01:36:33 Helena was one of the first ones I heard, which I also love. There was a lime wire. Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah. My deep cut pick is Feen Club. A song, the, like, the dance beat. Nah, na, na, nah. Fucking awesome.

Starting point is 01:36:47 That's a great song. I love that song. And that's a cool. That's like writing fucking, uh, the song, Age of Quarrel. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, we mosh and we fall. We're one and for all.

Starting point is 01:36:58 Like, there's cool little like, yeah, that's fun. It's fun. It's fun. The Choir here. Yeah. Scarious concept you can conceive for a horror film. You're in a room with a locked door. And the floor is a,

Starting point is 01:37:11 treadmill made out of sandpaper. End. Mine is called sound check. You're two of four. It's your two of four. Your name is Bo. And you're in hell. Your hell is,

Starting point is 01:37:31 okay, did anybody need anything else in the monitor? Yeah, can I get kick and snare? Intro coming in 30. Just anything like this for the rest of the rest of. your life? Based on true events. Never comes. Favorite whoa moment in any Misfit song? I'm

Starting point is 01:37:49 gonna hit a Danzig song and it's under Black Wings. It's perfect. It's perfect. But I guess if we're doing a Misfit's song is there one in Gould's not out? No. Hey breeders. Hey, breeders is pretty good. Hey, breeders is way up because that's like

Starting point is 01:38:08 thinking about him consciously writing that. You know, it's like, and then we're going to go, whoa, whoa. Yeah. And having to teach that to a group of idiots. Yeah. It's fucking awesome. And, oh, no, there is. Whoa, all I want, astro zombies.

Starting point is 01:38:26 That's, uh, because he, there's points in that where he's harmonizing it. Yep. Yep. And it's so awesome. He's a genius. I, I love the Martian ones. Yeah. Because they're a little different every time.

Starting point is 01:38:41 It goes, whoa. Oh. Whoa. And then sometimes it's whoa. And sometimes it's whoa. And it's different every song. Awesome. And they nail it every time.

Starting point is 01:38:52 Yeah. So good. I love the Marshall ones. Top horror spooky movies of the year so far. This is all you. I haven't seen up all one. I saw Smile 2 last night and I described it as excruciating and I loved it. Oh.

Starting point is 01:39:07 I don't think I liked it as much as the first one. Mm-hmm. But let's see. What have I watched this year? For me, to me, Audity really takes it so far. And then Exhumah, the Korean movie, is outstanding. Real shit. How do you guys cope? How do I cope?

Starting point is 01:39:30 Yeah, I take a ton of Benadryl. Take a look at this, buddy. And take a wild fucking guess. I cope genuinely by reminding myself that most of the shit I worry about is in my head. Like it's a mantra. It's like, like today, for example, running late today and like hustling to get back here and having to reschedule something that we're doing and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I'm sweating bullets. Like it.

Starting point is 01:39:55 And I'm assuring you like it's okay. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm like, it is destroying me. And I have to tell myself, it's fine. Everything's fine. That's how. We're all right.

Starting point is 01:40:06 How is Bo liking the quad cortex? I'm really interested in this because I just got mine's on the way. Excellent. And I want to learn. So I think the quad cortex And go ahead and say the example that Isaac hit you with It's the Apple of Ampsons And it is

Starting point is 01:40:24 It works really well The user interface is outstanding There's a cloud network There's a way to share presets There's ways to back up and save to the cloud There's all this like all the bells and whistles are amazing But what it really comes down to is The function obviously

Starting point is 01:40:41 And on this tour I had zero problems the entire time. And is that normal? You having zero problems? Yes. However, when we were in Europe, there were two times where it froze on one preset and I couldn't make it stop

Starting point is 01:40:56 without unplugging and plugging back in. Which then takes several minutes to restart, right? Takes about a minute and a half to two minutes. Now, what did that heat or some kind of software issue? That had to be a software issue because I was in plenty hot before and after on tours. and never had it. So I think it was this particular update

Starting point is 01:41:15 that they've since fixed. And the thing is, is if you're plugged into XLR or a speaker cable in, you know, through a power amp and you turn it off on, you're going to, you know,

Starting point is 01:41:24 so it's like, sucks. It sucks. And that was, you know, you called it a stupid computer one time in our group chat. And it was like,

Starting point is 01:41:33 fuck, yeah, this thing is annoying. And like, this can't keep happening. And I'm happy to say that it happened, didn't.

Starting point is 01:41:39 And there were three other quad cortexes on the tour and no one else had a problem either. Zero issues. All on the same update. The way it works just makes perfect sense. And once you're kind of fluent in the language that it's in, it's like, sky's the limit.

Starting point is 01:41:55 Do you need to update it like every single day? No. God, no. I updated it once. I follow, you know, one of the Twitter accounts and it'll just say like, blah, blah, blah, it's not live. And I'll go, okay, I'll give it a week or two to make sure there's no major issues, just like an iPhone. Just like any piece of technology.

Starting point is 01:42:11 Exactly. I mean, it's a long time. coming for something like this to exist. And watching you side stage in LA was where I was in, I was like, nah, this thing's got something. It's just like changing all the different effects on the fly, programming it all in advance seems really cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:26 It's awesome, man. You're going to love it. I'm excited to dive into it with you. Genuinely. I'll be in touch. Number one costume you'd make if you had a full team behind you helping create it. Oh, I love, that's a great question. I mean, honestly, fucking Jack Sparrow is not too far off.

Starting point is 01:42:42 you know what I mean. I could do this. But I don't know, like maybe a really good Frankenstein's monster. Like a good one. I've always, I've always loved the monster.

Starting point is 01:42:56 I think he looks dope, sharp blazer. How about you? I mean, if I could be like Java the hut, like a full size, real, for real job of the hut, just living your best job of laugh.

Starting point is 01:43:11 Oh, oh, oh, oh. It's pretty good. Uca, Luca, nipple binkie. Pretty fucking good. I do, you know, here's the thing. My wife is kind of secretly a one-woman team. So we'll see if I can pull off this costume I'm trying to do today. Yeah, yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:43:31 Check out, check out Collins socials right now, and you'll see what they're now. See if I pulled it off. Hey, pre-track that never gets old life. Dude, I'll tell you one that I have a new appreciation for is driven by suffering. The fucking jing jung gung gung gung like that ring out

Starting point is 01:43:50 suffering dude holy shit it hits so hard. Yeah. So that's my like my new pick other than that the proven riff is oh that's it's an all time one of the grades.

Starting point is 01:44:08 Yeah it's one of the grades. Here's a good here's an interesting question. I don't know if I know this answer for you. What is your favorite scary movie? Would you consider Scream a scary movie? Yeah, I mean, this question is in Scream a billion times. Okay, great. What's your favorite scary movie?

Starting point is 01:44:28 I love the fourth wall satirical shit in Scream. It makes it interesting to me. I don't like watching people suffer for entertainment. Like, I really don't. I don't care if it's a movie. It's just, it's difficult for me. I don't enjoy it. You know, so I don't watch movies as much as I would like to anyway.

Starting point is 01:44:47 And of all the genres, horror, like actual horror is probably amongst the least. And it sucks because it's having such a boom. I like to stay current. So I'll fucking go on Wikipedia and read the plot list. So I don't have to, the plot. So I don't have to watch the atrocities. Shame. I know.

Starting point is 01:45:04 I get it. But, yeah, I love Scream. And it also came out when I was like 10 or something. like it was scary the first time I saw. No, no, no. It still is some parts. And I like the whole franchise, really. Yeah, same.

Starting point is 01:45:20 But the beginning with Drew Barrymore was like shocking, you know? Oh, because she was a producer on the movie. She was top build. Nobody knew. She was like a groundbreaking thing. She's on the fucking the cover. You know what I mean? Every piece of art for it.

Starting point is 01:45:32 It's crazy. It's genius. So cool. What about you? Mine is probably, at the end of the day, I think the thing is probably my second favorite movie of all time. Okay. I think in terms of what...

Starting point is 01:45:45 What'd you say? After Ratatouille? No, no. Caddyshack's number one. Oh, yeah, that's right. Ratatou is the best animated movie, period. Yeah, sure. I think in terms of scary, scary,

Starting point is 01:45:58 the Exorcist and the Exorcist 3 are way up there for me. Mm-hmm. Like, I could watch those every day. The Exorcist is probably the scariest movie. I agree, but and it's also like, it's one of, it's this thing now that I watch and I just think like, this is fucking perfect. Just a comfort movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:20 Oh, yes. Many things about Twitchfitzer, I forgot to mention. Pete Morsi of 100 Demons doing backups pretty much the entire time. So cool. And that was the thing where we went, it was, we recorded this, we recorded the music, the 13. We recorded, I think we did another, the like second guitar day the next day. We did the vocal like little touch up and woes day the next day. Okay.

Starting point is 01:46:56 And Pete did his vocals the next day. You sent your thing in the next day. It was on streaming two or three days later. Yeah, yeah. We do it. We try to keep this very fast because it's like we, It's while we're practicing for the show. Wow.

Starting point is 01:47:12 And like this year, we wanted people to hear it before the show. Wow. Which we didn't do last year. Brody's son, Dante is the young, innocent voice you hear on Mommy. Can I Go Out and Kill Tonight? And that was just a cool special thing because that's like, that's his first. That will live in eternity as his first music credit. So sick.

Starting point is 01:47:35 So if this is a thing, an avenue he decides to pursue. he gets to do that Taylor mixed it in a single day artwork by Chris Watts we've had for like nine months I love the cover the back is unreal yeah the walk-a-

Starting point is 01:47:56 So we were just going to throw up the track list on the back and then Richie and I had the idea like a week before of like what if we really just blow this thing out yeah And I think, I mean, I didn't get the final file until like an hour before I posted. Holy shit. So it's all done very fast.

Starting point is 01:48:17 Yeah. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Favorite cheesy or bad horror movie? Bad horror movie. Oh, I like Freddy versus Jason. I would say that's an objectively cheesy horror movie. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:36 But I like it. You know what I mean? I think it's fun. It is fun. I've said it before on here, but sleepaway camp I genuinely love. And it's... It's campy for sure.

Starting point is 01:48:46 Yeah. It's full bad. And I love it. Any plans for Jersey Twitchfitts show next year? Can't say. What's your favorite specific part of 60s culture? 60s culture. The counter...

Starting point is 01:49:07 I mean, growing up, being a punk kid, being a straight-edge kid, you hate hippies. Like, you're just like, ah, fucking hippies. There was a moment where the hippies were awesome and where they were really onto something. You know what I mean? In the truest sense,

Starting point is 01:49:20 it was anti-war, anti-Vietnam. It was very communal. It was very music and love and peace. And, like, as silly as it is to say, that is awesome. The Woodstock documentary that's like four hours long is, that's probably my favorite thing

Starting point is 01:49:36 to come out of the 60s. And then counter, counterbalance it with gimmee shelter the altamont thing with rolling stones with hell's angels and the murder and everything that happened you kind of a b it with that and you see when the 60s die in a lot of people's minds at least musically that that's probably my favorite thing about it's a great answer thank you um some luke said i'd really like to ask about the twitch fits merch process of designing it and seeing through to holding it oh yeah um because you know we've i think there was like a something about it felt weird for us to just like,

Starting point is 01:50:12 even just putting Twitchfits on a shirt is like something that we weren't, we were unsure about doing to begin with. Yes. Now I think it worked and I do think it's cool. That's why I was like the, I prioritized the jacket and the mask because it's like, I want, if I'm not,

Starting point is 01:50:32 if I'm too worried about merch, I want to make collectors items, you know? Got it. Like these, these things, It'll only be made once that you look at and go, this isn't saying how did they do this. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:45 Now I need it. Crazy. Yeah, rather than just like a tribute or a rip-off shirt, which we did do, and they're very fun. Best Halloween shenanigans story. You know, I just typically smashing pumpkins. Yeah, smashing pumpkins, eggs, TP. Taking the whole bowl of candy, being a little fucker.

Starting point is 01:51:09 Never got caught, neither. Never, not once. But, yeah. When did Casey move to a five-string? That's a great question. Kubla-Con. Kubicon. But you know what's so funny?

Starting point is 01:51:28 A couple nights, he had some problems. He used BD's bass, which is a four-string. Played like a dream. Of course. Yeah, so it's a Jackson. It's his signature. But there's a, there was a belief that, well, a five string will handle the low B. B.Bee a lot better. So he started playing that. And then he played one of B.D.'s signature ones.

Starting point is 01:51:47 It's like, that one does it great. So it's a little, it's a little tricky. But yeah, earlier this year. Gotcha. Who do you think would win in a fight? A vampire, a werewolf, Frankenstein's monster, or a mummy. Well, that sounds like Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, because that's the plot. let's see Frankenstein mummy's out mummies out he's slow

Starting point is 01:52:15 Frankenstein's strong but I mean Dracula or a vampire is like literally immortal to are any of them I think it's coming down to vampire versus

Starting point is 01:52:23 where werewolf because the only way you can kill a vampire is silver or steak in the heart right so

Starting point is 01:52:29 silver bullets are I mean silver is werewolf too okay so that's kind of so I think I think

Starting point is 01:52:35 vampires got it yeah it's It's a pretty fair fight between the vampire and the werewolf. Also, a vampire could control beasts. I'm going vampire all the way. Yeah, I think so too. And in Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

Starting point is 01:52:52 That's exactly he controls. He gets them. There you go. It's a great movie. Oh, Bo, we didn't even talk about the HW2. It's out today. It's out today. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:53:05 I've got mine right here. I cannot wait to go to my little spot and play with it. Dude, I'm very excited for you to do so. Yeah, Wonder Effects. Nick from Wonder Effects, he's a Michigan guy. He was in a band called The Swellers that I'm sure many of you have heard of. He started doing a pedal company and he started doing stuff and then mutual friend of the show. Once a second time in this episode, we talked about Danhausen connected us.

Starting point is 01:53:31 I reached out and we started cooking up an idea over COVID. So it's been that long to kind of figure it out and I wanted specific things. you got a drive channel on one side with a dedicated graphic EQ can control the level the game, the mid, low, and high. And then the other side

Starting point is 01:53:49 oh, and then there's a present stop that controls all of that. And on the other side, you have an HM2 circuit that's dialed in to where it sounds good and then with a blend knob where you can get more or less of that.

Starting point is 01:53:58 Very cool. Internally, there's another pot. You can kind of change the band that the HM2 side is on, but you have to take the back plate off and switch it. You do it to ear. And if it's got the Chicago

Starting point is 01:54:09 It's got the topography of Chicago on it. The main colorway is kind of a Bulls way. Chicago Music Exchange has an exclusive Chicago flag colorway. It's on sale right now at at wonder effects.com. That's O-N-E-D-R-Wonder. And it's awesome. I'm really excited about it. I hope people like it.

Starting point is 01:54:31 Anthony did a demo. Your brother did a demo. Nick just threw some stuff up earlier in the week where he's playing bass on it, which we didn't even really think of and it sounds awesome. I cannot wait to play crazy train on that motherfucker. I'm very excited to see you do that. It's going to go crazy.

Starting point is 01:54:47 Please check it out. Outstanding. If you were a vampire and you could turn to a bat, would you do it often? I mean, I would be doing this once an hour at least. I would do it to go get a drink. Like, shit, I got to pee. Dude, I actually thought for, I'm so tired.

Starting point is 01:55:06 I thought for a second I was going to see bats. You're like, where the fucking bats? Yeah, the Zoom effects aren't working. Yeah, no, I would do it all the time. You kidding me? Outstanding. If you guys were to do a Halloween costume together. Yeah, a couple's costume.

Starting point is 01:55:26 What would we do? I think we would have to do a play on our dynamic, right? So like, your ghost face, I'm Sydney. Something like that, where it's... I think the perfect one would be Captain Hook. smee. Smee. Smee, Smee.

Starting point is 01:55:48 Holy shit. Get off your ass. I can't believe if I didn't think about that. Don't, don't try to stop me. Don't try to stop me. Don't try to stop me.

Starting point is 01:55:56 Just get over here and try to stop me. Unbelievable. I would do that in a heartbeat. Another good one would be Peter Pan in his shadow. I'm just in a void suit. You pretty good. What was the worst thing you ate on tour? Oh, dude.

Starting point is 01:56:11 Yeah. So something we didn't talk about was the first half. or three quarters of the tour, we're really good. I was going to the gym five times a week. I was killing it. Anytime fitness, baby. And I was on top of it. But as soon as that back half started,

Starting point is 01:56:25 I haven't been in the gym in over a week. And we ate so much fast food and, like, gas station hot dogs. It's actually crazy. Dude, you know how bad hot dogs are? Haven't we talked about this recently? Yeah, yeah. And I thought they were good. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:40 They're terrible. They're like, it's kind of the worst possible thing. Mm-hmm. It's like more fat than protein. It's just calories. It's just brutal, dude. Denseness. Lips and assholes.

Starting point is 01:56:52 A lot of, ate a lot of, like, Bojangles and Arby's, a lot of Arby's. Pretty sick. Interesting. Arby's has a pumpkin pie turnover right now. That's fucked.

Starting point is 01:57:08 Colin, do you have to change the way you sing to sing the Misfit songs? Not really. I think I'm just, I'm 33. you know, I'm flocked in. Yeah, yeah, you're kind of, yeah, right. It took me a while. Also, you know, I know the songs, and that helps.

Starting point is 01:57:26 And again, like I said earlier, they lend themselves to singing them. Like, you're excited about it. It's like doing karaoke where you're just going to, you're going to do the voice no matter what. But there's a lot. I mean, I sound like me on them, which is good too. But it's like, that volume two has to objectively be my best recorded. vocal thing ever. Oh, you think so?

Starting point is 01:57:49 I think so. Interesting. Just in terms of like me hearing it and never going like, ooh, that's bad. Uh-huh, yeah. I never feel that way, which is that I've never felt that.

Starting point is 01:58:00 On this tour, we, because we had Rippie, we could do one of those like set up playlists, you know, which is nice to set up to music you all like.

Starting point is 01:58:11 The Harmsway band song is Hunger Strike by Temple of the Dog. So that would be first one and then it would shuffle after that from like songs that we picked. And you'd be like, dude, your love or your love by the outfield.

Starting point is 01:58:24 Josie's on a vacation far. That comes on. The whole room pops. Like everyone's like, I just want to you. Everybody. Amazing.

Starting point is 01:58:35 Beautiful. Amazing. Let's see. Scariest moment on tour. Was it that hotel? That hotel was definitely concerning. The flat was very

Starting point is 01:58:45 briefly concerning. As was, dude, as was the transmission dying. I mean, you're talking, you're calculating, losing lots of money every day. Yeah. And so it's like, okay, well, we can spend this much on a solution before

Starting point is 01:59:01 it stops making sense. And it's a pretty big number when you're talking about a week of guarantees and an average merch. Totally. It's scary, man. And it's so scary in a different way, but scary nonetheless. Totally. Agreed. What were some other favorite costumes from the Twitsfit show?

Starting point is 01:59:20 Oh yeah, who else did you see? I'll have Steven put in the top five from the set. Here's the, here's some footage of me saying what the top five were and the winner. We're having something very important all night. We've been monitoring your costumes backstage. We looked at every... If you use the photo, you didn't use the photo, you're disqualified. So that's a bummer because the guy who's Tourette's guy, you probably wouldn't want it.

Starting point is 01:59:46 You probably wouldn't want it if you used to go. Okay, then we'll announce the Grand Champion. Top five, number five, is Frank. Where are you? You're number five. Number four together is Coraline's parents. Where are Coraline's parents? Ash Williams, from Evil Dead, and Allie G.

Starting point is 02:00:35 Is the Undertaker for the rights of a... Where are you? The X-Watch. Where are you, that's watch? My God, that winner was unbelievable. I can't wait to watch. and learn who it was. Watch, that's very funny.

Starting point is 02:01:25 Do you not know who won? No. Oh, and X-Watch one. Oh, that was the number one. He was a living X-Watch. Yeah, I saw it. It was amazing. A couple other ones were Bridie's Ronnie Rackie.

Starting point is 02:01:37 Unbelievable. It was outstanding. I thought, dude, I said you and her that somebody should go as her cease and desist, and I got left unred by both of you. I think we were just so. I think that's an incredible joke. It was.

Starting point is 02:01:50 It was just a. It was a busy night. Heather Bailey's Undertaker was very good. Dude. I respect her dedication to costume so much. Her Trent, her stay and her undertaker. Come on. I'm pretty sure the one she's doing this year is even more insane.

Starting point is 02:02:06 Really? That went up today. Wow. Don't quote me. And then a guy came as Tourette's guy. Really? It was so good. He had a neck brace on and like a Tony the Tiger shirt.

Starting point is 02:02:19 That's pretty good. incredible. The more I'm looking at myself in my camera right now with the way that the rag is, I look like I'm doing later macho man. I feel like you're kind of giving Bobby Hamble. Okay. That works. That works. Bo. Spookiest thing to happen on a tour. Okay. Now you know me. And I don't really get spooked. I will say the thing that happened on that Kubla contour where we saw the lights somewhere in the south was scary. That was

Starting point is 02:02:55 like, I don't know what this is but I don't like it. Yeah. And having confirmation with James and Casey who saw the same thing and then never seeing the source of whatever different colored lights and flashes were was odd.

Starting point is 02:03:11 I agree. I would have been telling everybody I know. We were blasting Freebird too. So it felt fitting. You know. That's why that came. The second part of this was Colin Spooky's thing to happen in your own house. And I'll tell you what. We used to have a roommate named Claire. Amazing.

Starting point is 02:03:30 Love her. Miss her. The cat sounds a lot like Claire. Because she's, the cat, our cat is fat as shit. Gigantic. And when she goes down the stairs, it is loud. Oh, I see. So we call her our roommate.

Starting point is 02:03:45 So I get spooked by her all the time because I hear human footsteps coming down these stairs and then she just turns the corner. Totally. Horrible. Two-part question. Lots of love on the pod for AFI and the Misfits. What are your thoughts on other horror punk bands like nerve agents, son of Sam, the undead, etc. I like nerve agents quite a bit.

Starting point is 02:04:05 I didn't even know they would be considered of the same ilk, really. Yeah. But I love the nerve agents, so that rocks. Tiger Army would probably be my next one. where I would say, like, I dig them. But I don't really like, I don't know. There's an authenticity with the misfits, obviously, and like the necrows. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:29 And like the damned maybe. Yeah. And then until AFI, I don't, you know. Yeah, I mean, I respect all of it. It's the coolest imagery possible. Yeah. It's almost like black metal, isn't it? Where it's like those, like the early, you know, um,

Starting point is 02:04:48 Dark throne pictures and all that shit. Like look incredible. Musically, maybe just not really my thing. Cat has some cats, cats had some baths, baby. That's what it's all about. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:58 It's good shit. How much did you guys practice for Twitchfitz 2? Started practice October 1st, recorded October 13th. Probably practiced like six times. Before recording. And then did like six. or seven more. And Mike was

Starting point is 02:05:20 a Misfits fan already? Yeah, big time. Yeah, okay. He crushed. And like, all the little fills and stuff he added to, like, some kind of hate are insane. Because that's a really straightforward song originally. Yeah. And, and, like, doing too much would be bad. Kill it.

Starting point is 02:05:36 And I feel like everything he did was like, it sounds like, cough cool, the drums are crazy. Yeah. Good point. And I think that's what Danzig maybe wanted the whole time and couldn't have. Yeah. So, it's funny to think of like the song Possession on Danzig 1

Starting point is 02:05:51 I think you could see that being a misfit song. Yeah. Like with the howling and all the the wha-o-na-o-na-like it all works and then there's a chorus. And that's a pretty like involved song musically. And it's also case in point with like

Starting point is 02:06:07 the Sam Haines' versions of misfit songs, horror is, you know, you can see like oh it's a little different. It's a little different. There's more. There's more, yeah. It seems like the limited The limitations went away and he was like, oh, finally. You know?

Starting point is 02:06:21 It's the opposite of what George Lucas did. Right, exactly. What was the best part of making a song for VHS? The relationships that came out of that are like ongoing. And there's like kind of new things every day coming from it. And the trust that we had from them where they were like, do you want to do it? And we were like, yes. We're going to give it to you at the last second.

Starting point is 02:06:48 it's the best song that you have in my opinion. I think so, too. You know, so that's... Which is great. You know, like the crunch was like inspiring. Yeah. Doing Twitchfist is that influence writing and riffing for your own projects. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:07:03 Because you hear like, like, wow, this is not much going on and this is perfect. Yeah, right. Like, oh, this is what a song can be. That's crazy. How tall are you and how tall is bow? What the hell? I'm not very tall I'm about 510

Starting point is 02:07:18 Somebody guessed I was 6'4 And I really appreciate that That's nice We'll go with that He's not Are you like 6 1 6 1 6 1? 6 1 yeah You know who's not super tall

Starting point is 02:07:31 Tall as Glenn Powell Really? I guess he's my height And he feels like watching him on screen Yeah He feels 7 feet tall It's funny Harm's way is a very short band

Starting point is 02:07:42 With the exception of Casey Who is your height Yeah I'm the tallest one and I'm not a tall guy. It's just odd. I think that helps with the perspective for everybody on stage. It's true.

Starting point is 02:07:53 A little bit of muscle on a shortcut. It's what we call perspective manipulation. Yes, sir. It's good stuff. This is funny. Who is the Colin and Beau of your respective band? Oh, Casey and Nick. For sure.

Starting point is 02:08:11 Yeah. I don't know. I mean, for a while, for Twitching Tongues for a while, it was Sean and Anthony. And then it was Sean and Kale. Yeah. We'll go with that. Love it. That's a funny question.

Starting point is 02:08:29 It is funny. Do we fuck with the nightmare before Christmas? This is interesting. I myself do not. But that is only because I don't like the clay animation. Like I just ever, no, I respect it. I obviously think it's amazing. But ever since I was a kid, it kind of gave me the CBGBs for some reason.

Starting point is 02:08:48 Like you're scared? It just like creeps me out in a way I don't enjoy it. When was the last time you saw? A long time ago, sure. I genuinely think you should revisit it as an adult because I think you'll be blown away. The story is literally me. You need to watch it again. Well, here's my point.

Starting point is 02:09:07 If Edwards, if Edwards's her hands was Clay Animation and Nightmare Before Christmas was live action, I would love Nightmare before Christmas and feel weird about it. You know what I mean? I think you just got to try it. Yeah. It's like 80 minutes long. Yeah, I know. And then like I know the songs.

Starting point is 02:09:25 I know the character. Like I know I like it. I don't like James of the Giant Peach creeps me out. Oh, I mean, that's a scary movie. It's scary. Yeah. So I feel the same way. So but you're obviously a fan.

Starting point is 02:09:37 I think you should go to a shot. It's perfect. You're obviously a fan. Oh, love it. Yeah. Love it. Hello, Mr. Collins. This is the last question.

Starting point is 02:09:44 All right. Hello, Mr. Colin. Mr. Bo. would you mayhaps be able to tell us your master killer of horror movies? Let's do four horror movies each. Okay. That we haven't talked about yet on this episode. Jesus.

Starting point is 02:09:58 Okay. Halloween 2. Banger. Dude, I love the fact that it starts immediately after. And I think I read recently that he wrote it while he was super drunk. Yeah. He deeply regretted making Michael and Lori related. Really?

Starting point is 02:10:17 Really? Yeah. Because that's revealed. I kind of like it. Does that bother you? I mean, it just takes away some of the fear of like this could happen to you for no reason. I used to tell myself when I was afraid as a kid. I don't have a brother. Well, I mean, she didn't know she did either. But, you know, there was no like family history of like, oh, scary house or anything. Yeah, wait, did she know about so her parents were killed?

Starting point is 02:10:46 Yes. And she like, but she doesn't mention that in the. first movie at all. No. Okay. Yeah. Halloween, too. Your turn while I scramble. Let's see. Mount Master Killer. Interestingly, I'm going to go, I'm going to start with American Warwolf from London. Oh, great pick. True masterpiece, practical effects, pioneering, a hilarious movie

Starting point is 02:11:14 genuine frightening the fucking the transformation into the wolf is still one of the coolest things I've ever seen outstanding yeah that's good

Starting point is 02:11:26 would you consider the witch yeah beautiful I mean that's that's like one of my favorite movies but if that's in there I'm all for it I love that movie

Starting point is 02:11:40 super atmospheric I love the way from everything from the way they speak to having Native Americans walking into the camp as they're leaving looking back at them like fucking crazy. Like there's just a ton of little stuff and I love a movie with the payoff. I look a little bit like Black Phillip right now to be honest with you. And I just I just love it. I love that movie. I'll talk about it all the time. But I love it.

Starting point is 02:12:05 My next one, since I can't say the thing and I can't say The Exorcist and I can't say The Exorcist three, I will say Nightmare on Elm Street. Dream Warriors. Whoa. Perhaps the most 80s movie ever made. Yeah. It's like a superhero movie. Oh, really? You've seen it?

Starting point is 02:12:22 I probably not. No, probably not. Patricia Arquette's first movie. Oh, okay. She's locked on a psych ward with a bunch of other teens who are seeing Freddy in their dreams. Horrible. And she has the power to bring people into her dreams. Whoa.

Starting point is 02:12:39 So she discovers because, Nancy from the first one is a like a psychologist now. So she's the only doctor in this facility that believes her. And they've come up with a plan to bring all the other patients into the

Starting point is 02:12:56 dream to defeat Freddy. Awesome. It's fucking, it's like the X-Men, dude. Yeah, right. Dream Warriors. I like it. I like it. Okay, okay, cool. I like that. That's fun. I think you would like it. Okay. I'll hit you. Oh, I'll hit you with one.

Starting point is 02:13:12 Fuck, would you consider Sixth Sense horror? It might not be horror. Absolutely. Okay, cool. Love Sixth Sense. Blew my little brain apart when I was, when I first saw it. Couldn't believe it. Somehow it wasn't spoiled for me and we got it on this.

Starting point is 02:13:25 That's crazy. Paper view when I was a kid, you know. Wow. Yeah. Oh, okay. I got my last one too. Go ahead. Good answer.

Starting point is 02:13:32 Good answer. I would say a South Korean movie called The Whaling. Yeah, you've mentioned this one. Just supernatural. mystery, insane, demonic. And then the like rituals and shit that they do in it are all like real and performed so faithfully that it's like the cultural aspect of it is so cool. You're locked in for two and a half hours. You're not thinking about anything else.

Starting point is 02:14:03 Truly a movie that when I saw I thought about for weeks and I still think about for weeks every time I rewatch it. Wow. Okay. scary. I'll give you one that changed me. Fucking Blair Witch Project. Dude, I know I've talked about it before, but it, seeing it in the theater and believing it was real for a couple days really fucked me up. Like, definitely gave me psychological PTSD.

Starting point is 02:14:31 I mean, I know, I know the story of well because of how long it has lingered within you. It's, yeah, it's the, the scene of Mike standing in the corner. at the end, which they added in later. That's crazy. That wasn't originally in... Because it's so iconic. It's so iconic and it is so fucking scary. It's, I mean, that's like, it's hard not to go Texas chainsaw here.

Starting point is 02:14:58 Dude, I saw an argument recently for the Jessica Beal version being one of the only good, like, remakes. It's, it's fine. It's fine. Okay. But OG is like, like, in terms of just like American cinema, it's like, it's like on Jaws. Yeah, sure, sure. I'm not saying it's better than I just saw an argument that it's like of remake movies. It's one of the only.

Starting point is 02:15:20 You know what's an incredible remake is Fright Night. Fright Night rocks. It's so fucking good. Yeah, yeah. So if you haven't seen that, if you haven't seen those four, do that. If you haven't seen the Fright Night remake with Anton Yelkin. It's awesome. That one's awesome, yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:35 I have seen that. Well, that is our Halloween special. We hope you had a great time. You can see more of me tonight if you take a. Benadryl or five. I'll be there. Pirate Bow, he's got to get back to see. Quite literally, because I just realized we didn't mention that I have to drive the borrowed band back to Portland. So on an upcoming episode, I will either be in a hotel room or in the van driving. Beautiful. Yep. Thank you all for joining us. We will see you next week with a very

Starting point is 02:16:06 fun special episode. Very fun, very special. Take care. Bye.

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