HardLore - Ian Shelton (Militarie Gun / Regional Justice Center)

Episode Date: November 3, 2022

Colin and Bo have a full two hour chat with Ian Shelton, frontman of Militarie Gun and frontman/drummer of Regional Justice Center, about living with Colin's brother, forming RJC around the incarceration of his brother, Militarie Gun signing with Loma Vista. Ian is the first ever guest to be in an episode while CURRENTLY on tour!   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord time. Who's his child was that? That's my cat. It's Metallcat. He's screaming right now. You hit a button and he's a birthday. Oh, wow. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Metallica. And you know, cry if he wants to. And happy Halloween, you know. So true. Happy Halloween. Did you just try to hit a sample? I didn't hit. I was turning you up. Oh, okay. No sample. But I mean,

it looked like he was trying to. Okay. I can. I figured you had something Halloween he queued up. You know, I was working right. right until go time. I didn't. I was working today. I guess you are technically off now. I am off, yes. We're working today.

But more importantly, this guest we have. He says that to me every week. It hurts my feelings every week. More important than anything that you could possibly say today is our guest today. Who do we got? Mr. Ian Shelton is back. People have been coming in their pants for a full episode with this fellow. since the mini one went up.

And now they can clean up. A Halloween miracle. A Halloween miracle. Yeah, it is Halloween day. Are you dressing up? Yeah. Ian? No.

I don't think I'm going to do anything. We just got to a, I don't know what state I'm in. I don't know. I don't know what's going on, frankly. And there was talks of going to a haunted house tonight because we have an off day because it's a Monday. Where are you? I don't know.

Do you know me to find out right now? I can look at a map. So you're really just the boss of this band, huh? You get to wake up and be like, fetch me a hotel. Well, so, okay, let's see. I am in, I'm so. Is the phone by you?

Okay, I'm in North Carolina. Oh. Oh, birthplace of Taylor Young. Wow. You know, we can't get away from where Taylor Young was conceived. He really can't, man. Where was he was born? You're obsessed with.

Haddysburg, Mississippi. Conceived, I've never asked because I'm not a fucking pervert. He says, he offers that information up. He says, this is where it all went down. I'll never, ever know the answer to. Check this out. No, you will know the answer. Hey, wait, Colin, it's Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

I can ask Teresa where yours was as well. You can fucking suck my ass. Dude, what time on Valentine's Day, around then. When I was still living with at home, I was in high school, my dad called. It was like, hey, can I talk to your mom? Which is very strange. They don't, they never talked.

And so I said, yeah, I thought I was in trouble. And I hear her go, uh-huh. Yeah. No, it was, yeah, it was right around then. Mm-hmm. Okay, bye. And I put it all together and I realize I'm a, I'm a Valentine's Day baby. My birthday's in mid-November, nine months.

You know what? I'm in mind is very special. Do you know why? Is it New Year's? No, September 21st. What is nine months before that? January. Christmas time.

Oh, it is Christmas. I am a Christmas miracle, guys. Oh, my. Wow. But more importantly, Ian's life. So this actually brings me to my topic that I actually wanted to talk about on this episode. Love it. We've never had that.

I feel as though at least I'm owed an application to be the first. fourth young brother. Oh, interesting. I feel, you know, I've done, I've done probably the second most records at the pit. I, you know, I've lived at the pit. Uh, true. And not paid rent. So it's kind of like similar to what you did in school. Similar to what I didn't have school. Um, so I just feel like I'm owed that. And I just kind of wanted to bring that to the public. And I and I exposed the concept of Aaron Young to the people. You did. You did. You did. You know, there might be a couple people ahead of you. I was going to say there's got to be a long list.

I mean, I'm not saying it should be exclusive to me, but I'm just saying I'm owed an application. An application, I see. I'll write up a draft. Who else is on the list? I mean, Nate is on, Brody's on there. He's all, yeah, it has to be. It's like. Andrew Morrissey.

Andrew Morrissey. Andrew Sable. I don't know that person. That predates me. in my involvement in the young family. He, I see. He wasn't there for as long. He wasn't, no.

You were there for longer, and I was there every day while you were there. And because I worked out there because he had this gym that if I didn't use would be covered in dust and rust. I used the peloton for a while. You used the peloton. You wouldn't work out with me. I asked you every day. I said, Ian? It's today the day?

And it wasn't. It never was the day. It never was. And then I ultimately stopped doing it because of you. Do you know that? Oh, you stopped coming because you were sick of seeing me? No, not at all. But I remember I was like, you know, I'm thinking about starting to go to a normal gym soon.

Like, you know, it's like, I don't want to be going to my brother's house forever. And you're like, yeah, it's pretty weird. And I never went over. That's not true. I never went again. I don't think you said it like in a mean way. I don't think you meant it. Oh, also I think this also goes towards my application.

You know who else would give a very similar delivery to that? Taylor. Yeah. See, but Taylor was the one who was like, no, like he, I think he enjoyed seeing his brother every day a little bit.

Delivery wise. There. You know, it was very, it was he, you know, I think you guys rubbed off on each other. Similar,

similar levels. That's a whole different podcast, brother. That's a whole episode, maybe. We got to diagnose people. I want to, I want to talk about Halloween.

you want to talk about Halloween I don't care if this is coming out on the second or third or whatever it's important it's timely it's poignant I want to know what you guys did for Halloween Ian what are you currently doing for Halloween I'm doing this fucking podcast

that is best case scenario yeah this is all I really wanted to do so I feel like most people did their Halloweenies either yesterday or Saturday yeah I played shows every day for the past like week and a half. Did you guys wear costumes ever?

Yeah, did you dress up? No, I'm way too serious for that. Yeah, I'm a boring ass guy. Are you serious? I'm so boring. The last time I dressed up for Halloween was probably like eight years ago. Wow, dude. I mean, you love Kanye.

You could be him or something. Well, yeah, I mean, I dress up as Kanye every day. 2022 Kanye. Yeah, you go to find like a Nazi memorabilia story. Get a Kanye 2022 costume I was listening to the Ramones recently and I remember

hearing how Joey was obsessed with the Nazis and I was like this just would not fly at all in the modern day Joey and Hanamon

and Lemmy and oh yeah Lemmy was like a legit collector Let's dig him up and cancel him Let's get him out of him But he's European You know

He is British yes He was the The France got the right. Hanaman was just like, they were killed too, but. The crazy thing about Hanamon is at one point he had a guitar with labels printed of just notable Nazis. Yeah. Like. Like Jeff's favorite Nazis.

Yeah. Like they're literally. So fucking insane. With like bedazzled like. like yeah oh my god yeah like a book report that's a mystery right there it is i mean it isn't but it is it's out there it's we're not breaking news here no no speaking of nazis uh i really liked your minions costume uh con oh you are okay you you're okay so you're okay so you're of the conspiracy theory that i mean the minions are just following orders if you're thinking that that

i mean well there's there's there's what is the saying it's uh you don't ask a woman her age. You don't ask a man his profession. Yeah, how much he makes. How much he makes. You don't ask a man. Because he's unemployed. Where they were from 1940 to 1945.

Oh, my God. Yeah, mysteriously the minions right around then became unemployed and moved to America. And needed to find. And then they found some guy with a familiar accent. And they were like, we got to work for him. I'm still yellow. Yeah, I couldn't get it off, man. That's just jaundice.

That's just severe alcoholism, brother. That's what I have. I have jaundice. You have jaundice. I do. My eyes are yellow as hell. Holy shit, really? I have something called Gilbert syndrome.

It means nothing except for the fact that my eyes are yellow. Did you, and was that self-inflicted? No, I don't think so. So you could be born with alcoholism? I was born with it. Yeah, I had jaundice when I was a baby. I was born a minion. So lucky.

Yeah, I actually wouldn't even have to do the paint if I did the costume. Yeah, you wouldn't need, I had to use Dawn dish soap to get it off because my wife remembered that that's what they use on like ducks to get. Well, yeah, that also get the fleas off. What kind of paint did you fucking use? I think it's just the amount. So it's like me trying to clean it off with my hand or a lufa turned the lufa into the paint. So I was just shmaring it.

For an Angel Dust music video, I painted myself red and I was the devil. And red is brutal. It was a blood bath and the shower at the pit. Let's talk about music. I literally had to come home in a trash bag. I wore two trash bags top and bottom to get into Audrey's car and was transported as a piece of trash to go and get into the shower and get red on everything. At the pit, at the place you don't pay. Yeah, yeah, the place I did pay.

Yeah, I just fucked up the whole that. That makes sense. That makes perfect sense. Let's talk about music videos. How did that get started for you? Music videos? Yeah. Just same as learning drums.

It was a hole that was like, all right, no one else's going to do this. We've got to figure this shit out. So, originally I really wanted to, well, I still want to, like, write movies. And I was like, oh, wait, if you write a movie, you have to just, like, give it to some other guy to, like, fuck up or woman. And a woman can fuck up movies. Good save, considering your partner. And that's the same thing. Yeah.

And then I was like, oh, okay, I guess just learned something about directing. But I've never done anything narrative because I know that it takes far more money to be good at that than, like, just. some bullshit visuals. I mean, screenwriters who are screenwriters their entire lives. Like the person that wrote like Silence of the Lambs or something has said that they had to fight and fight and fight and fight to get something else made. And they were like, please just direct. Learn directing.

Stop writing. Well, and then it's also like, it has nothing to like you can make one hit and then it just doesn't matter. No one cares at all. Or like I always think of like Charlie. Kaufman. He wrote Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and I fucking love that movie and he

says like it was ruined by George Clooney directing it and basically got skull fucked. Yeah. He said like he made a movie about an interesting guy just being about a guy who like gets his dick sucked which is not necessarily an unfair evaluation

of the movie but what can you do man? What did uh, were you already touring guy before getting into videos? Yeah, I've been like touring since I was 17 and then I think I was like probably 20 or 21 when I was like, oh, I should also get into this. My big thing is I've never thought that music would ever be sustainable in any sort of way. So I always was like and then I should definitely get a backup plan somewhere in here and like worst case scenario. Hopefully I could like direct

commercials or something. Right. Smart. What was the first was was was bully the first? Oh, get the fuck out of here. We have to talk. We played a gig. No. We did. We played multiple gigs together. You played Mick Whirl. You were the only guests so far who can talk about Mick World with me. Yeah.

And that show was the lineup was crazy. Yeah, it was. Nails record release. Not on the flyer because it was some other band that I don't remember the name of. But then Nails was last second put in to place. Nails played. It was on Silent Death. Oh, wow.

And no one cared at the time. Even though, like, that record kind of did well right away. But I think it was like, it was the straight hardcore show. Like, it was rotting out headlining, creatures, expires, like, first legit, like, hardcore show in California. We played with them the day before at a show that nobody attended in, like, Murietta. And then I forget. And then us and Nails and Ruckus. And Ruckus, yeah.

That's a crazy. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure the lineup was my shitty band that literally didn't even have a bass amp because Walter Delgado did not show up with the bass amp in time for us to start the show because we were touring in a minivan. Right. And then it went Nails, ruckus. You didn't ask Keith Paul, bro?

I didn't know anyone. You could have asked. who's Keith Paul exactly Keith was the original bass player at Twishing Tungs

he was the bass player at the time he had the chain strap yeah and Walter was the person bringing the bass cap okay

so it was like Walter didn't show yeah right we were there dude well so anyway McWorld yeah was this like

oh and then they played the harshest noise music to get us out of the venue ASAP as soon as running out finished he was like get out

right now. No, there's no rhythm. There's no rhythm. It was a squat, like, in, like, what, East L.A. or something? Yeah, it was. And it was called Mick World because all the McDonald's characters were painted on the front, like, door and window. Hell yeah. It was dope.

Who's your favorite? Hamburgerger. Gotta be. It's got to be. He's closest to my morals. Listen. Yeah, that is true. I got to say, I'm a grimace man.

Grimus is great. Did you guys get the stupid toys? No, I really wanted it. They look really cool, and I want to resent it, but I'm just like, damn, I really want these. No, they're cool. Try to find them, could. I don't like, I don't get it. Like, I'm just, I don't, is that like, like stuff?

So, like, usually the characters have two eyes, but now they have four. Oh, but like, yeah. And it's like street wear. It's like street wear, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I just don't. I'm just unaware of that. Some bullshit like that.

It's not for everybody. You know, not everyone is intellectual. No. So it's nice to know that, Ian, you know, we on the show, we respect the grind because we've been there. And you really, I don't know who the fuck you were.

And you were grinding this whole time, you know? And that just goes to show. You were like, I've been touring since I was 17. And like I played a show that you didn't know. I didn't know. When I was 17, I was 17 at that time. Really? Are we the same age?

Are you? Okay. Three, two, one. 30. 31. Okay. Oh, so you're, you're just barely.

Just a year old. That makes sense because I was, I was 18 and I was touring hard, like freshly because I was out of high school. Yeah. Yeah, I basically started 17, but I never had the like group of friends that was willing. to go as hard as I wanted. And we just didn't make good enough music yet to

actually achieve fan bases. So I would have really been useless. Well, a lot of people did that. So yeah. With shitty music. So, you know, you never know. I met a guy. I went to a wedding on Saturday,

one of the first, the original members of Harm's Way got married. So it was a mandatory costume wedding. Right. So we were all there. and I met a guy who had seen me and Chris play in like our high school band. Wow. I mean, double crossed, like, fucking legitimately almost 20 years ago.

It was like, yeah, it's been crazy to see you guys like continue touring. Meanwhile, I'm like having an existential crisis. Yeah. Because it's like, holy fucking shit. He has a pension in like a 401k and shit. Like, yeah, straight up. Like, he's, he's like, wow, man. He's doing great.

You guys have a podcast? We do have a podcast. Yeah. We might get manscape. We'll see. We might get it. You guys, we guys got the deck. You guys are pitching your deck around.

We got a deck. We got a decked up. I'm double-bricked up at the thought of the deck. There's a lot of things happening. But anyway, between bully and RJC, what was going on? I just did a lot of friends. bands. I, like, Bully was a band that I was like the leader of and I was very creative with. And then I like stepped back to being just like a just a drummer for so long.

And then I kept investing like my entire life and everything in every band I did because I really am like the least casual person you could ever meet. So because everything is like, oh, we're going all the way, you know? then I had two bands that I was like really passionate about and the singers just fucked up the bands and I was like oh I think that the only person I can rely on is me so I think I need to start doing bands where it's I'm the only person that needs to be around and then that that's where RJC came from been down that road and it's it's it's a slippery slope but it's also like it's just so much easier

you know it's so much easier I mean it's just like and there's no like personal feelings like and it works best when everyone is like very personally motivated and and also feels very enriched by it but at the same time there's the there's no ego and everyone else's

involvement of like okay if you can't play this show or this tour we still play this show or tour and and yes one person having the stopping power over something that can move forward is not great. So I want to bring up an intersection in time. You and I were on the same spirit flight to this is hardcore.

Really? And I sat like three rows behind you as a red eye. You didn't say what's up? No. Were you playing or were you just viving? Oh, it was playing. Okay. That was the year we played.

And I tried to say what's up to Taylor at this is hardcore because he said nice things about RJC publicly. And I was like, all right, I'm going to talk to Taylor Young. Let's go. And he's like, yeah. Uh-huh. You know, I remember distinctly posting a video of the set. Yeah, no. And that was, I think that was the start because like, I think six months later, whatever is when I work with Taylor for the first time.

but I that was my first time and I was texting with them about the other day of being like yeah you're so stern I just thought that there was no way that you liked me that was just that's just him though he's sick he's listening to this right now so I just fast forwarded it like we're like mid-2019 at this point so we could just skip yeah you're no we're not skipping shit what were you saying beau it's just so funny because when like my meeting of Taylor was not that he was like the young kid and and we were the young kids in Europe. But he loved Harmer's Way. You know?

You guys were peers. I'm like a fucking stranger. I'm like. But, but like you're from the same place. No. No, I'm from Enem Claw,

Washington. When he moved to California? I moved in 2018. So this was like, okay. And I didn't know anybody. I really keep to myself. Like I don't really socialize too much or go out of my way to meet people.

So yeah, it's not like I was like at any functions or whatnot. I ended up at the pit. I mean, neither is he. So you got to. I ended up at the pit with self-defense family in summer 2018. And then once I moved to L.A., I saw all y'all at Candy Cain Lane in your pajamas was walking around and I was like, what's up, Taylor? And then I was like, that guy doesn't remember me.

Wow. You got this complex, man. You think, oh, yeah. You think you're uninsultant. That's a real thing. People have that. John from Vane confessed that he thought that Harms Way hated him. Yeah.

That's you guys hated me. I don't know. He's like the most likable guy. And I was like, dude, why? We love you. What are you talking about? I saw them first time I met him. I was Googling him.

Adopt an adult. Like how to how to adopt guy with family, you know? It happens. Yeah, it does.

It happens with me. I think people hate me. Candy Cane-Lanes really gone down hill, man, speaking of which? What is Candy-Cain- Nobody hates Bo. Okay. What's, what's,

I'm saying it's a, it's a, people have it. Yeah. All right. I think mine just comes from the fact that. I, mine comes from the fact that I always played in different bands and would always be like,

either like hair, growing out or facial hair growing out and then shaved and then like I'd never looked the same twice and I was always in a different band so everyone I'd like re-meet every person I met for like six years constantly every time I saw them I bet

hi I'm Ian and they're like oh nice to meet you and I'm like okay yeah we didn't meet we didn't meet three months together yeah what is candy cane lane candy cane lane is a every city has a candy cane lane it's a neighborhood where that is swag the fuck out

with Christmas lights. Okay. Yeah, okay. Where they all collectively go hard as fuck. Yeah. But now it's shot. I felt like it was underwhelming the year that I went. Dude, when I was in high school, it was lit.

Literally, lit. Now we had to conserve power. We do. It's horseshit. And they had new decorations and stuff. Now those decorations are, they've had the same, like, fucking Spider-Man cutouts in these yards for 10 years. Could you imagine having the mental illness that would be,

wanting to buy completely new decorations every year for and and like grottis like that's your that's your thing when you live there you you you you you got a responsibility to impress me the homeowners association got to be bought they got to be given the budget you know there's no way there's an HOA in that and then how is it coordinated because you know where you live okay you're like one guy who probably moved or something and that's why it's falling apart one Yeah, the guy. The guy he went door to door. Santa.

Motherfucker. Right up. So RJC. I'm excited for us to go this year together, Colin. Yeah, I'll absolutely go with you. Even though you fucking moved out of the valley, like a coward. What's up with that? Oh, you're not in the house anymore.

No, I moved out. Wow. Even though I never lived there, I moved out. Yeah, yeah. And just, right, just says we got to know. He was out of my life. Yeah, I can't wait to meet you in six months, Colin. I know.

The real Ian. Yeah, after being around you for 90 minutes a day for two years, get to the real Ian in this podcast episode right now. Right now. Yeah. It's about time. What was your best Halloween costume? Ever?

Like your favorite, you felt the most achieved. I mean, honestly, the minion that I did this year is... The minion is an accomplishment. Thanks, man. It's a commitment. It was a big commitment. But I think, like, you know me, I got some, like, wild body dysmorphia. So I'm always like, something's wrong.

Something's right. I don't know what I'm doing. That, when seeing the minion was where I was like, I think I'm doing it. I think I'm doing all right. I'm going to keep it up. Yeah. You look pretty huge. I want to stay a minion now.

After I did that, you know? I think my favorite of yours is Dangle. Dangel was good. It was really good. Yeah. What about yours? I did Steve Bruel. That was incredible.

The Dwight. The Dwight, dude, funny thing, same suit. And I was going to do the ancient aliens guy. The Jan Blazer. I was going to do an ancient aliens guy. Same suit. Same suit. What is your favorite costume, man?

Your minions costume. What about Halloween candy? What's your, what's your Mount Rushmore? I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, guy. I like sour candies, pretty candies. Oh. Yeah. We'd be perfect as a trick or treating duo because I usually

just toss it. Yeah, I chuck the chocolate. I don't, I don't, I'll eat, I'll eat two Reese's cups and I'm done. Do you want to check flights home and maybe we can still catch a trick or treat tonight? Yeah, they're doing it tonight. You start applying the paint now and I'll I'll get there. Absolutely.

Luckily, I'm on the East Coast. So, you know, by the time. Oh, perfect. Dude, Stay one time. What's your Mount Rushmore? The thing about Halloween candy is it tastes different. It's all a little different.

Something happens when it's being manufactured. Small batch, you know? Yeah, it's smaller. Literally small batch. The ratios are different. So my opinion changes than compared to the normal size stuff. Yeah, so what's your fun size

Mount Rushmore? Three Musketeers. It's perfect as a bite size. As a whole bar, it's insane. interesting but as a bite size it's delightful Twix Kikat Charleston Chu dude the main Charleston chew

Oh I wouldn't eat any of this Oh my God To the to the soul he hits me Charles and Chu the goat Dude when I was in Charleston North I was driving through Charleston one time Just saluting

That motherfucker's so damn good Charleston chew You never find it here But that's easy that's the fucking George Washington on the Mount Rushmore. You throw that bastard in the freezer? Oh my gosh.

Oh, man. Shattering in your mouth deliciously. What else is on there? Twix Kit Kat are probably on there too for me. What a combo. I'm gonna tell you a crazy one maybe. Okay. Woppers.

Oh, Jesus. People hate malt. I love Wobbers. This is crazy. Woppers. Woppers. Wopper's rain. guys 90 years old?

Yes. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you what. I got to look up what it is. So please. That's an actual make me gag. Woppers?

I will gag. Yes. I mean, I said myself, it was crazy. Yeah, I'm just saying. But the fact that both of you are into them is just so into it.

Disgusting. What on earth are these? Oh, you can't. That's a road. Jack. These things. That's that old man.

That's them root barrel. You moved it to the area of the screen I can't see. That's the old lady candy. Hold on. I don't even know what I'm doing. That's like, mine's going to be saltwater, taffy, those chewy mints. Mints?

Those chewy mints. The other, the restaurant peppermint. The toothpaste powder. You like, yeah. What's the other mint? What's the famous? Junior. York's peppermint patties.

You like those, Ian? Yeah, I do like this. Okay. So that's your chocolate exception. I mean, like Reese's cups, but again, I'm over it. Pair for two. Rhesus cup away from me. Yeah.

You know what? When it comes to many, like the individually wrapped Saur Pash kids, you just kind of shotgun, those are great. You get those. Is it one kid? It's one kid individually wrapped. No, there is not one kid. bullshit.

There, I guess there is. Sward a God. He swore to God. It's been a long time since I've been trick-or-treating, so I'm just completely out of the loop. Why just buy candy? Like, I'm going to go buy candy tomorrow. I would rather think that you are out there tonight.

Maybe me too, but it's way, like, it's way more like, oh, yeah, of course, Bo hits the fucking right-aid candy sale. Right? We don't have right-aid and fucking check. The CVS candy sale, sorry. Walgreens. You wish you had right-aid. They got the best ice cream.

Did this guy right here? One single kid. One child. Wow. I don't make anything up ever. That is true. Just not creative enough. Can't do it.

Cannot. He's got, no, I was going to, I was going to say maybe the meanest thing I've ever said. It's Halloween. Say it. It's Halloween. Say it. He's got no lies. He's got no real.

It's just not true, though. It's almost true. You wrote the... In the hard door intro, people love that thing. That was one take. One riff. He's got one riff. I got one rift.

Easy. All right, Ian. Let's get into RJC a little bit here. Okay. This is probably where I became familiar with, like, you. Yeah, me too. Yeah, as I feel like... Yeah, as did everyone.

I was just for Rana before. But you, and like, you, you broke down the concept kind of, like, all right, I'm going to do this band. Whoever can do it can do it. And then you was, was, did self defense inspire that at all where you could kind like, because you were, you've done stuff with self defense, right? Like, RJC started in like the very beginning of 2017. And I think I had just played in self-defense like six. months earlier or something. So I joined self-defense, whatever joining self-defense means at that point

right before then. Definitely that was an inspiration. It just was like, shit, there's no way to go. If I ever, I want to make anything out of music. And it was kind of getting to the point where I was like, oh, I'm going to move on from music soon. Like that was honestly the way I felt where I was just like, I kind of never achieved anything. And like, and artistically didn't really feel like I had. I did a band called Seattle's new gods that I was really proud of, but like, you know, completely obscure, you know, very proud of it artistically, but it just was like, you know, nobody knew who the fuck would work. And I was kind of like, yeah, all right, well, I'm going to move to L.A. and like try to really actually get good at directing and doing something else with my life,

probably because this music shit just clearly I'm not very good at it. And then RJC happened and again, I just have the huge problem of not being able to not being able to be casual about anything in my life. And it just became the driving force for literally everything. And it almost worked because I always felt there was an exploration date on music for me, where I was like, yeah, I'm going to do this like for the next handful of years and then give it up and go on to the next chapter. And so like made it side as was like, I have to do this many tours. Otherwise, this is pointless.

Why am I even fucking here? And it worked out. You like you like toward as soon as COVID ended where I mean we'll we'll as we skip some things but you toured like spitefully. Yeah. Like I'm gonna do this thing that that I don't want to do this this hard. Between um August 28th and December of 2021 whatever that from first show of the year to last show of the year, which was all end of August to end of August to end. end of December, it was like 80 shows. Wow. Because between there was a, it started with an RJC tour, went into a 50 day, uh, military gun tour. Then we did another, you know, three week

RJC tour. And then there was like, yeah, I just 50. Yeah, five. Yeah, we did a five, 50 day. Yeah, 50 show. It was more days than 50. Right. Where? 50 shows. The U.S. right. It was just a 50-day U.S. tour. Yeah. First tour of the band ever did. We got 50 cities in this country. It was there was double up in California. Oh, okay.

Oh, that looks. There you go. You know who's got a lot of cities? Ohio. Yeah. Which I've only ever done like one at a time. I've never done that Ohio tour yet. In Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, like Kent.

Kent. You know what I mean? Akron. Akron. Toledo. Toledo. Oh my God. They have a lot of cities.

That's so many. So many. Well, when you're driving through it, it feels like so many, you know? Columbus? No. Oh, yeah, we said Columbus. Did you? Columbus was second.

I played there recently and I was like, damn, this just rocks. Columbus? Ohio can be very good. Yeah. It's fucking huge. It's like Florida. Florida's got a ton of cities, too, that you can play. Florida's fucking massive, though.

Yeah. I mean, when you're driving home from like, and you leave Pennsylvania and you're like, all right, made it to Ohio. The next day, you're like, holy shit, we're in Ohio still. Yeah. Well, dude, we ended the Cannibal Corpse tour in, in, uh, outside of, is, is Fort Myers outside of Miami? What's the one that's like near Miami? No, fuck, I think it's Fort Myers. I think I could be wrong.

And you never lied yet. So it's, to my knowledge, it's for sure for my, I'm simply incapable. And I started the overnight drive and I drove 10 hours and I got us to almost Atlanta. 10 hours. Yeah. All in Florida. So you hit the Florida Georgia line? Straight up.

You know, we went straight to the dwarf house to the fucking Chick-fil-A house. Straight there. Baby, you're a song. That's a hit, dude. Window. Ian, I know you fuck with that one. I only know God your mama and me. You don't know.

Cruz. I don't know it. You're going to shit yourself in that beautiful bed behind you after you hear that thing, after we wrap. So RJC, before going on the 50 days and the whatnot, you got this gimmick. You're like, all right, I'm going to assemble my fucking personal Avengers. I got eight people.

I loved the promo pick that was like seven or eight people in it. Yeah. That was where I was like, okay, so five people are in this band at a time, and whoever can play can play. Yeah. Kind of a brilliant concept. Yeah. Genuinely, yes.

Especially when it rotates around a drummer singer. It was not a typical setup at all. Drummer, the least reliable position in any band. That's the reason I had to be the drummer singer. I was like, well, this band's never going to get off if I have to replace a drummer. And I'm going to be such an asshole to whoever the drummer is because there's no one that's going to be able to like play it exactly that I, the way I want. Dude, that's been my curse my whole life.

Mike. You don't think, you don't think your brother's got the sauce? No, it's not that. Taylor doesn't want to play drums that I write. Whenever I'm doing, he's like, no, it's a pain in the ass. I don't want to do it. Mike, Mike got like really close, but like had to, had to, he had his own style. So there were things that he had to change.

Dude, people's personal styles are just bullshit. They're crazy. But Kale Kale told us that like Learning songs that Taylor and I played in Are like what are like how he practiced drums So he He just got it right away most of the time

There's a lot of like like me See I think I can play an iron lung for that reason Like if like that was legitimately where I learned blasting and and like Creative drumming was from iron lung Like basically creating drum riffs. And so I could do a lot of those songs from memory. That would be me with Jordan from No Warning and Terror, Todd Jones.

Carry on, Tara, No Warning. You could just easily be in all three bands? There were just the bands that I, like, learned. Like, I learned how to do triplets to spit my rage, you know, how to do like gallops and stuff. Or the fast part and one with the underdogs. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I would come home.

So let's hear some, huh? Buzz out of guitar. Yeah. Dude, so we've talked about doing, about wearing our costumes for this because it is Halloween. And I was going to hook up the quad cortex straight into this

and just play like any clean metallic riff the whole episode. That was going to be my bit. The background. I would have killed you a minute too. I would have found way. I would have been online ordering bees. You know?

Beats. Liver here, explode. And that's what I start playing fucking fade to black. Boom, boom. Yeah, that's good shit. Are there any memories of those early RJC tours that come to mind of like, hey, these shows are actually kind of good. That's crazy.

Oh, but this still sucks. No, no. So, I mean, I've always had like such a sunny disposition where it's like, Oh, man, 20 people on night. That's great. Because, I mean, we're playing blast beat hardcore. There's not a high ceiling for that. And it was just like literally, you know, I remember breaking a hundred monthly listeners and being like, holy shit, dude, we're fucking doing it.

You know? And that's from like you did that. It's not the same as like a guy who's been in a bunch of bands and starts a new band and people here. You did that from scratch, basically. But I got that, then I got that treatment with military gun where there was an audience right off the bat because of like the hard work of. Yeah. But you earn that. You can't.

There's no, there's no way to belittle that. You earned that. Yeah. I mean, we grinded out for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't take away. That doesn't take away from any. I'm not saying you guys are clarifying it as if like I'm.

No, no. We're clarifying it. The grind. As it's being judged on the concept. No, no. I'm processing the thought. The grind. beforehand. It's like going to college, you know. You're not, you're not getting paid for your

high level job because of your, just your, your ability to do that job. You're getting paid for the research that you put in the time. Well, I think another big part of like why military gun took off out the gate too is that I think a lot of people chose to do nothing throughout the pandemic where I treated unemployment insurance as as a label advance. And we did the SWAT record. We did crime and punishment. We did the and then we did multiple military gun records. And so it was like where I think a lot of people were like holding things to wait for touring to come back and all these things.

I was just like, yeah, and here's another record. And here's another record. And here's another record. Instead of being like, oh, well, well, you know, I'm going to wait. you did it you were one of the only people i know that did it right i feel like and you still have so much in the tank it's crazy i got so much in the tank it's crazy yeah it's scary but now i'm touring too much you know and now now you know that the writing suffers from being on the road well but it's fine right now you got a buffer you have so much like which which worries me for you

because i've been there where you have to wait so long for people to hear something that is totally done. Yeah, you're resentful of it by the time people hear it. Oh, wow. I'm not, I've chose,

I mean, we, we, there was easy paths towards, like, us having out the record we're going to release next year. We could have had it out this fall, you know,

if there was paths towards that, but we chose to wait for the label that we wanted and, like, do it the way that, that I felt was proper, you know, instead of it being like, let's go the easy route and

you know and the songs are good that helps that like I have faith in songs therefore I'm not like oh someone else is going to write this song in the next six weeks and release it before me I am nervous that I've played the songs for too many people

I'm like what if someone wants to like outright fuck me over and steal one of these and release it before I could. My God I really I want to steal that one so bad I would I would pull up with a gun to someone's house for sure I think I would be absolutely justified. Your Honor.

Like, yo, I showed you this song, and then here it is. Yeah, if any bit of my melody popped up in someone else's song, I'm like, you're removing it from streaming right now, or your house is burning down. All right. I'll delete this from the episodes,

just in case. Just for evidence. You let me know. Are you in full military gun mode now mentally? No, I, my current thing is every time I pick up a guitar, I try to write two RJC riffs. Just like just some type of part, like a blast riff or a breakdown riff, and to start assembling songs.

I think I wrote the best RGC song yet, which justifies having another record. And conceptually. Just from one track. Yeah, I'm like, this is the best one I've written. Why would I not try to then do that nine more times? True. And, you know, conceptually, like the band was built around my brothers, incarceration and he's out and living with me now and um you know do one last record with him

as involved as i am so like it seems like the the the logical conclusion to the that's pretty cool that's perfect and he put out a rap track today he did he put out music vatican boss everyone got to check that out is this his first musical endeavor ever first musical endeavor ever wow straight to sound cloud where the straight to sound cloud grow he's rap he's rap from from the cell to the cloud you know that'll be the Netflix documentary about him someday yeah good shit man so RJC you're still you're still there I figured maybe that ship sailed yeah because because you're a historic bag chaser you know you've chased the bag you've found it and yeah but I think there's a bigger bag left on the table still or just more just more just a

Just an additional back. That guitar player from Mike Ham wears an RJC hoodie every day. And I get talked to, I get literally, people are tagging me about him wearing our shit. That's huge. We released the records.

We're going to work with my camera. Dude, the MCR heads are like fuck wild. The one I saw today, I'm going to try and get it up on the screen here. Is him with David Copperfield. Can you just pop it in? Popping it right here is,

is Frank from my chemical romance with David Copperfield. That's the coolest. Wearing an RJC hoodie. Now that is some straight up David Copperfield shit. And a multi-time ex-girlfriend of mine lived with a girl who dated someone from MCR. Wow. And would get like follow requests from MCR heads. So my ex-girlfriend, like they're that.

That removed. I did an interview at Aftershock with L.S. Dunes, which is Frank's new band. The interview wasn't with Frank. It was with Tucker from Thursday and Anthony Green. But them like reposting the picture of the interview has made it like, it's been a month. And it's been a nonstop flood of MCR people just like. That was how the mini lore was for me. I got a lot of like, Not Fest type MFs in my follow. That's what I'm talking about.

There we go. That's the hardware universe giving back. Spreading. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, they MCR set a record for Riot Fest for, for, that true. For merch sales. Yep.

For merch sales? Yep. And they know that because they took a cut. Yeah. I don't know numbers or hard numbers. I just know that fact. Yeah. That they set a record.

Yeah. For one day, single day. after shock Slipk Not Headline Day 1 KISS headline day 2 MCR day 3 Eclectic Way bigger crowd than either

man I just I just missed that I just wasn't I was street punk already Like I was I sucked Like I was I was I like missed that whole shit

But like you can go back now Hear the tracks and be like well I'm not okay I can hear in my head right now and I'm like oh that's a fucking track man I ain't insane and now seeing the guy wear the hoodie I'm like I should be I should become a fan of him ride dude yeah ride for FCR straight up suck the dick that I'm gonna become an uncomfortable adult fan boy oh yeah yeah you should absolutely what well we got to finish that phrase suck the dick that suck the dick that's Sucketh V.

Is that good? Suck it? That could be a shirt for y'all. Yeah. Don't worry about that, brother. Oh, my God. Don't even worry. They're clamoring for merch, but you will not believe what.

Colin, Colin and. Okay, wait. Let's talk about this. There's no way for podcast merch to not be corny as fuck. So just go into it knowing that and get your bag. It is. And it's. It's so.

it's so on brand for the show. Wait, you're saying you've done it. Oh, it's done. Colin and Brittany really clobbered. Brittany Miller, friend of the show, friend of the Ian as well. Yes.

MacMitt. Yes. Longtime friend. Speaking of SWAT, your band with Mac, sex with a terrorist. Is that what is that for? Sex with a terrorist,

aka SWAT. Patrick Kinlan fronts it. I recorded it on my iPhone. Sick. is i've never is camp only is mac good at drums i've never i've never been like mac are you good at drums max good at drums can he rid punk punk drummer for sure yeah he's a fucking he's got that the the the like no effects beat uh left hand leader as same as really as yourself well he and he and i have never discussed that yeah it's a true i'm a right hand lead but i think i still

think left-handed. So I, like, send off before the fill. So there's like a, you know, like there's like a brief moment where there's no snare. But in your mind, you're reading here. In my mind, I just like a st-da-da-da-da-da. You know, like I send it off with like a symbol before I listen to that in mind. I, it's a curse, man. It's the worst. Colin, what did you learn to to drum to? Like, what was like, because like I'm thinking of, of, you said punk drummer. Chris, it was like AFI and the Misfits. Chris was like all. All that.

I'm going to give you two guesses. Okay. E town concrete. No. Two guesses, two records. Think about, think about me at... How old were you when you picked up?

14 years old. So were you still in Connecticut? Not, but I... Fresh out. Fresh out. Okay. Sepul Torah? I mean...

Yeah, I mean, I was definitely big on. done. Did that one a lot. But come on, you're overthinking this. Okay. Hapery. Yes.

Satisfaction. Satisfat. And death threat. Big, big one. Not death threat? 100 demons? No,

no. No. The Connecticut aspect was satisfaction. Master killer was big. Oh, okay. For me. So that was like,

I'm going to play along. Yeah. To Master killer. But, uh, urban discipline state of the world address huge for me to drumline

interesting still like that the DNA of those is very much just like permanent perma locks in what about you when yeah when you when it was like I got to do this like when did you know you could play drums

and how did you figure that out because you saw like you picked up drums as a utility I did Well I wanted to start a power violence band when I was 14 And I started drumming and singing Because we needed a singer and a drummer And so I started two-piece power violence band

Yeah That's why I could do it is that it's the way I learned to play drums So it just was the only way And it was blasting and it was D beats and it was all the shit that I do now I literally am just a child still That's basically the sum total of my part. But yeah, it's beautiful.

When you were like practicing, were there any records you would play along with? Or did, were you just? Iron lung was huge. It's like Iron Long and dystopia, but a dystopia was too complicated and they did double kick. So I was not into that. Are you still not a double kick me? Couldn't hack it. Can't double kick at all.

I was supposed to fill in for candy. on a tour with RJC and I got kicked out of the band after the first practice because I was so bad at double kick. Really? This is breaking. They were polite.

They were like, well, of course. They were like, they were like, Andrew could just do it. And I was like, well,

why didn't we just go with that from the start? Why was I, and why was I even, you could have asked me to play guitar and I would have been great. Like, and but no. I've never played live guitar,

though. That's one of my future goals. It's hard, man. It's a different, it's a different animal to me. Just want to rock out playing an instrument and not have to do so much, you know? The first God's Hate show, like set, that was like, there was like two songs on a, on a backtrack Zabalva show or something. Was the second time I've ever stood up playing guitar? I'd only sat.

That is a different, that's a whole other animal. Standing up and sitting down. I can fucking, I can play anything sitting down. Anything. No problem. Standing up. I'm pretty bad against our both standing up and sitting down. Well, practice standing.

Do yourself a favor. Quit sitting. Get up. And when you're writing from now. Well, unless you're planning on playing, like you're going to add you playing guitar to military guns songs or something? Never. So what's the point?

Yeah. No, I'm saying I want to eventually I want to have fun and play guitar in a band. that's why SWAT existed was I was like oh a woman are never going to play a show so it doesn't matter I think I've done everything I've drawn I drummed in a high school band like a hardcore band that was terrible sucked ass or what yeah it was awful but we did it

I've played live bass I've sang and I've played drums can't wait to play bass I will say Colin I understand why you're on drums and God's hate and obviously it's super natural but I do miss you playing guitar. I appreciate that. I do. I miss it.

But the difference in ability in the two instruments in me is catastrophic. Which is crazy too because, like, I remember watching you guys at LDB, the one you had where we both played. Yeah. And I was on Martine's side. So I couldn't really see you as well. But I didn't. I practiced those songs a lot. Yeah.

Wait, did you just replace yourself with Taylor? Yeah. And I, and then I replaced Kail. Okay. Yeah. But I remember watching and watching Martine play the songs. I was like, these songs are, these songs are like, they're heady. There's a lot.

Yeah, of course. There's a lot going on. There's a difference between writing and playing, you know? Because I can go, man, n-a-n-da-d-d-d-d-d-l-d-d-l-in my head and be like, like, now play that. You know, I wrote that. And now you have to play it, not me. So. That's right.

entire life is I just write something fucked up and then be like, all right, good luck. And I'm going to rush if I'm playing, if I am playing drums. So you're all going to die. Yeah, you're all going to die. Is military going to use tracks, do you think? I would rather build out the band to have more members for a live band. Because I just really like the classic rock setup and actually performing instead of like there being a computer element.

I'm down for either. obviously it takes making a lot of money to add band members. It does. I mean, the only, the person that would benefit from that the most would be you, just because the time would never be. There's never a factor of you being like that was too fast. But then by association, everyone else playing too is going to be playing to a click, essentially.

Yeah. I think for some songs, we should get a click for like the LP stuff. We're doing this tour with White Reaper. And my big question with that, I'm like, do their fans want to be yelled at for our 40-minute set? And so I'm like, I'm thinking about building out and bringing in the Melatron with us and doing a lot of our like LP songs instead of like just the set we've been doing, which is like all about energy. And instead of making a little bit more. How are they reacting to it so far?

Who? Oh, that's not the tour we're on now. That's ours in March. Yeah. What's the tour we're on now? You're the first guest ever, I think that's currently on tour. On tour, yeah, that's true. We are, we did a tour with Citizen, and then we went into headlining shows with MS Paint afterwards.

Mississippi Paint, Friends of the show. Friends of the show. You got to have DD on. D.D. on this podcast would be incredible. Just a character. Biggest character. That was, similarly, Harm's Way doesn't play a click or any tracks or anything. We've always, and we have songs where, like, Nick is hitting a sample.

every downbeat, you know, like, where it's just like very monotonous and tedious, but like being able to kind of whip out a song and not be reliant on something is very appealing to like our punk brains, you know? I also just get scared of like things fucking up. Like what if that night that you can't hear nothing? I mean, it's new. I mean, but you're in pro venues when you do that type of shit. You make the news.

every time that happens. Yeah. And we talk about this on the Vincent episode, but what I did mention was like, I saw a ghost play once in like a 500-cap room at a surprise set. And the drummer got off the click and fucked up the entire band. One song or multiple songs? One song.

One song. But you're talking about it here on this podcast, you know? You literally just made news. Yeah. You could see all of them like, like looking at him like what the fuck is going? on and he's just there has to be a kill switch or something

be like yeah you know that motherfucker got spanked in the back after that probably fired for all we who knows dude the drummer drummer on the first couple ripper he was open-handed too I just got into ghosts dude those first couple years

that ghost was around was so yeah our tour we got real into him didn't we label man I'm going backwards now they're on Metal Blade no Loma Vista they're they're He is a label mates. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, we're label mates with them, so.

You're going backwards? Well, so they had this like, I don't even know if I should be talking about this. Yeah. They have a song that I thought was really fun. And then I really liked the new record, straight up. I really liked the new record. And then now I'm just like finding all the rest of the hits. When that came out and knowing that like all the amps are just like cranked orange heads,

like there's nothing. It's like the. driest record production-wise. I loved it. It was so fucking. I love the way it sounded. And I think that's maybe why, no respect, no diss to Ghost,

if you're watching this, you know. Lifelong fan. Love, love, like, man. So much more successful than someone who would, you know, listen to this podcast. You never know, though. I got some people hitting me of

who I'm shocked, listen to this damn show. I think that's maybe why live, I kind of had a bad time watching ghosts. because it's like so digital now that like I might as well just listen to the record there's no it is it's perfect

I'm saying yeah I don't like literally like a perfect set I need some humanity in it you know interesting yeah but it but that's not what people want when they're going to an arena show yeah those don't I didn't see them at an arena I saw I'm at the will turn you know

what it was already absolutely perfect to the extent where I was like like what am I what's the point yeah at a certain point it is kind of like watching people just like air guitar air guitar to a to an album

I need I need the real I need the bra roness I'm gonna go in face paint when they play next just a fan just I'm just gonna be a fan now and then go backstage with the Loma Vista plug

and be like hey guys I already met the guy great show you met the guy I met the guy when I went to the label one day Tobias Tobias

Yes, yeah. You know, they fucking schedule him to be there just to tickle you a little bit there. No, we're already signed. We're good. Oh, all right, cool. Well, good. Congratulations. That's huge.

Yeah, I didn't realize that. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy. Thank you. Try my best here. You're doing it. You're doing your best.

It's working. That was, that's what we waited to fucking release the LP for so long as we were like wanted the, this specific. big label and um took a long time but we got it's the right move what's this tour you're like how how the shows well any any any any any any anecdotes are you you're you just the most boring i'm the most boring guy i'm suck i'm so boring i'm so we got rear-ended we got we got a rear-ended in new york city and our trailer got smashed up because of course trailers are not made of like really quality materials

and I just bought the trailer um guy did not have insurance do you have uninsured motorist insurance oh fuck no I have the most bare bones I drove without insurance for like 10 plus years how do you not learn from like your friend Colin was damn near killed

in this accident four three years ago or whatever I don't even know about everybody I know everybody I know should have the best insurance in the world don't fuck around well no you don't have a car but I want you to get some good car. I haven't even...

I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, but I don't have a car. And I don't even have health insurance. I haven't had health insurance in like 10 years. You are animalistic. I need to get health insurance as well. Health insurance would be really nice. You guys are sick.

I would fuck with it. I would love some health insurance. It would be really cool. Providence, if you're... Kaiser or something if you're listening. I'm looking for a sponsorship. If anyone is out there. Manscaped if you want to pay for my health insurance.

Don't talk to men's insurance. escaped yet. We don't have them yet. Don't address. Escape, if you're listening to this, I'm also going to podcast. Okay. It might have stronger numbers than this one. It's to say. We'll see. You're getting pretty good. So anyway, we got rear-ended.

The dude was not insured. And I realized my insurance was not going to do anything at all. So then it kind of came down. And then we, like, waited for the police to make a report for a long time. And it was kind of like, well, what are we going to do with a police report? There's nothing that there's nothing to be done with this. And then it was like, all right. For your insurance, Ian, did your insurance?

Yeah, but they're not going to do anything. I already called them and was like, are you, could you help me with this at all? And they're like, no, you're fuck. Really? Yeah, they're like, we don't. He has liability. I have liability. I only works if I paid him.

Jesus Christ. Insurance is a fucking scam. Yeah, but it's a scam that if you don't use the scam, you get fucked. Anyway It got I will say I will say I really bleak with this guy

Because at one point It was like all right We're going to have to be like Give us all the money you got Yeah And imagine hitting somebody And then five guys all roll out of the van And you're just one guy alone

Yeah And he really wanted to do the right thing He stayed like he was not tripping He was young like us Which probably made it even worse Yeah. But then it was like, he was like, I have $300 and we're like, all right, give us the $300. I was, I didn't even do the shaking down.

And, and. To his name. He showed, he showed us. And the $300 was his bank account. And we were like, you know what, man, just get out of here. Good, good for you. Good, good for you. That's, I understand the thought process.

but in the end. We're all fucking $1,700 to fix the trailer, you know? Like, like, he's a scumbag for sure, but like. I mean, I drove without insurance for a reason. No joke 10 years. Like, I just got insurance for the first time because I'm a skunk back. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, it just was, it got so bleak.

It got so bleak. I will say when, when we had our trailer stolen in Vegas, we had multiple homeowners insurance, rentress insurance. We had insurance on the trailer on the van. It was all red tape and nothing covered anything. So like certain things, certain things are just like, yep, sorry, you're going to have to talk to

blah, blah, blah. Sorry, we're a scam. We can't help you. Yeah, but it's different for an accident. It's different. Yours was would have been entirely covered if you had the right insurance. That's true. Who's to say?

But it looks so gnarly so you got rear-ended and the back of the trailer was hit so hard that it snapped the lock it snapped the the edge off and it hit the bumper and then we had to drive with it just to get off the highway with it unhitched straight up so then when we stopped when it was chained but it just was so like if you stop there's not like it just goes and that's to hit the van to stop and that's Luckily, it was brief, but... Did any gear get fucked up or anything? A base amp got a knob snapped off.

We came out on skates because we had the... We had the luggage in the back, so the luggage padded the gear. How interesting. Wow, we do that. If you're listening. A pillow. Clever, yeah.

Luggage first. We see, we have the fourth bench out. So that back area is all... That's all. Because then you get to your hotel and you just open up the... the van you don't have to go into the trailer and unlock you know blah blah blah but now what if the trailer gets hit bowing it's really what if the trailer gets in other notable stories are yes

the one night i did so i i'm i'm kind of can be antisocial and and and i was like all right you know what tonight i'm going to get drunk so i can interact with people so i got drunk gave my keys to my band members and I haven't seen them since. Oh. They got left in Portland, Oregon on the wheel well

and driven to be dropped in some random location. Two nights later, two nights later, trailer door left wide open overnight. Why?

I'm your, I was in the hotel already, so I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine. Oh, I know is that everyone says it's not their fault. Same with the keys. It's somebody's full. Well, the keys are your fault 100%. How are the keys my fault?

I gave it to them to load the van and drive the van. Are they your keys? Yes, but everyone knew the score. You said, guys, I did not do the loadout. Guys, I did not do anything. I drank myself beyond comprehension and I need you to do this for me. The key bearer assumes responsibility. The original bearer, right?

No, no, no, no. The new bearer. Ian is in the right. completely. I gave my keys away for the rest of the night. And the fact that the van was being driven away from the venue, I assumed my keys were in the fucking ignition. Who'd you give him to? I gave them to Will. The only person I who's not fault, who's not at fault is our guitar player Waylon. Waylon is a saint. Whalen's never done anything wrong. I wholeheartedly believe that. He's never heard. He's never heard of fly. Now, he's pissed me off a couple times, actually.

Crystal Pack, friend of the show. She's with us right now. She's with you right now. Oh, is she really? Yeah. She didn't want to listen to this live? She was saying she's a big fan. I was like, you should go on.

And I said, yeah, but not right now. This is my time to shine. So she's going to have to wait. All right. So you'll get your turn. Good shit, man. Well, I'm sorry that that having you. Did that have your personal car keys on them, too?

Yeah. Well, not, not, uh, Audrey's car key. Not that, not that one. The van is my vehicle. This is my daily driver. And the part that's most insulting to me, and I still haven't put these on a key chain. I have all of my keys individually now.

I live my life in chaos. It's just spite. I refuse to accept this, and I'm going to show you what I refuse to accept. So you got copies made next to a rack full of key rings. No, I said, I'm going to hang out with my RJC band member, Alex. Y'all can go do the keys because I didn't lose the fucking keys. I can imagine you were real, actually shoot mad when that happened.

I don't like, I've never like yelled or anything, but I'm just like, what is this? Like, this is what I reviewed. This is now my van key. That is hideous. No authority to this at all. I would never use that key. I I refuse

to put this on a key ring because it sucks now that's temporary you can never turn me on with that key no no so now this is my life I walk up on the stage

I unload my pockets with all of these spare keys oh god unlabeled unlabeled you know which one each one does yeah you know they're all their roles

practice Space one and two. So I think the trailer being left open is, is less forgivable than losing the key. Oh, yeah. That's where were you? That's your whole lot of hotel. Vancouver. Well, we were in Surrey.

Yeah, basically no reason that everything we own didn't walk away. Yeah, totally. If you were in Montreal, the hotel would have been stolen. You're lucky. Yeah, we're, we're, we're, We are like, so lucky, one of the touring bands with us was staying at the same hotel and literally started calling all of our phones at 4 a.m. because they went out to smoke weed and

we're like, hey, your trailer's just open, which is really funny because we had a boot on the trailer. We put a boot on the trailer every night. So there was security measure in the boot being there and then just a wide open trailer where you could take all the shit. good for you. What kind of boot do you guys have? Because we do the same thing. I don't know if it's like anything fancy. I don't know. It's got a W on the lock. Does it work? Wow. I tried to roll with it one day just to see what would happen in it and it didn't move. Wow. I mean, if somebody wants to drive away, at least with the one that we have is not like a city boot, like a big one. It's like, yeah, we don't have anything like that. It's just like a claw. Yeah, it's like a claw. We probably have the city. Is it red and yellow? It's red. I don't think it's yellow. Ours is like red and yellow.

You got the McDonald's limited. Yeah, I got the limited one. He just like, he didn't get the new choice, but he got that, he got that limited. This one has four calls instead of two.

And this one you like put it on and like, if somebody wanted to drive away with it, they certainly could and it would like, like, be crazy and loud. It's like the thing is like you just would have to get pulled over if you wanted to steal. steal and then we back up

we back up against something a curb that's the way anything a wall Ian didn't do that but Ian Ian in seems like he's like it's up you guys off with ye

and then and then they fuck up and you're like what the Lord of the Manor gets to gets to complain but are you a helpful guy on Torian I help load in I don't help load out as the singer that's fine not as the drummer though no as the drummer oh i mean i rjc's where i got no option but to be like i staged my shit early and fucking yeah no when we when we did those shows together was i helpful for you

did we use your kit you used our kit for sure i set that motherfucker up every day didn't i no because i don't think you did sound checks come on did you do sound checks you know damn well i helped you said that some bitch it's tough to say tough to say Ian No, I honestly don't remember. I had a parasite at the time. Oh, you did? You had a tapeworm. Yeah, I discovered I had a tapeworm at a God's hate show.

That's an interesting story. Yeah, this is a perfect Halloween story. Gave Ian Hapworm. This is, it's real like treehouse of horror vibes. So this is perfect for Halloween. You were like, oh no, I lost 10 pounds. Please hit me. I've never known anyone who's ever had a parasite.

I lost like 30 pounds, I think. Wow. Which is crazy because I don't think I- I'm a damn tape work. I was, I was like pandemic. Ian Patrick Shelton, that, that fool was like, was like 175 probably. And I think my usual walking around weight is like between 140 and 150. And, and, and, yeah, I got, went on to.

tour and I just thought that was like my calorie deficit is out of control because I'm playing shows again we're bouncing around like where where were you like was it a foreign tour or we were in Texas yeah it was God's hate um judiciary judiciary and RJC and uh yeah I was taking a shit and uh there's something thing that out no way Wow. So you shit out a tapeworm. I shit out a tapeworm. Oh.

Was that it? Was it over? Pretty much every medical person I talked to was like, no, there's still more in there for sure. So eventually, after about like four more months, I went to the doctor and got a pill that, like, gave it a seizure so that it let go. And then it just got broke down in my body. Have you kept to maintain the weight off? or he fat trick? Yeah, I haven't gained weight

so I don't know. So the tapeworm was like one of the greatest things ever. Yeah, it just helped me like really get back into frontman shape, you know? That wasn't a tapeworm.

First I got to find some adrenal chrome. Then I got to find me a tapeworm. The tapeworm was I, I remember feeling like such shame and like at first and then I was like,

nah, this is really funny. You guys want to see the photo? and then I just was going and showing everyone at the show. Like I went up to Anthony from God's hate first. And I was like, hey, man, do you want to see something fucking crazy? And I showed on the photo of me holding up the tape where. How big was it?

It was probably close to six inches. Holy fuck. And I think that was only a piece of it. I'll give you a six inch tape one. Or a piece of it at least. Yeah. Dude, this all reminds me of like buying, like you said, adrenicrome and blah, blah, blah. TikTok is ruining my life and I can't stop buying shit that is advertising to me.

What are you buying? I got some fucking, some dude was doing an interview where he was talking about, he watched Arnold Schwarzenegger throw a whole egg into like a protein shake, like with the shell because of the calcium. And he started, you went on a deep dive, blah, blah, blah, blah, made a tooth powder, toothpaste powder, with this eggshell in it, and it's like applying non-fluorided,

oh, did it Colin freeze? No. Oh, okay. He's just not breathing. Applying calcium directly. He's fascinated. That doesn't have fluoride in it. It's actually really good for your teeth, blah, blah, blah.

And I watched this, I went down a rabbit hole, and I'm $20 later. I got some egg powder coming my way. I bought a fucking, you're on a whole different TikTok than me. A retro gaming console that like, I later looked up that the company is just like bullshit and definitely scammed me.

You bought the Soldier Boy Cube or whatever? I don't know what it is. The Soldier Boy S5? Another tooth cleaner thing that vibrates that doesn't do shit. Just all kinds of stuff. My targeted ads are all jackets that look like the jackets that I own,

but are from brands I've never heard of. And how many of them are you like, that's a sick jacket? I'm like, oh, nice. There's one where it heats itself and you could charge your phone. Have you seen that one? What? I'm not into tech. Let's keep the jackets low tech.

Bro. No tech in the jackets. It has like coils in it that self-heat and you charge it, but then it also has a USB port. If it was a cooling jacket so I could wear it for the duration of the set, I would fuck with that jacket. Now you're getting. into Aaron Young territory.

I got a business proposal for Aaron Young. All right. Give him a call. That's his shit, man. The next family barbecue, I'm going to. He's a tech guy? He must start pitching. I can't.

I don't, I genuinely don't think he would be happy with me talking about it on here. So apparently, I'm going to stop there. But yes. I mean, he's probably bomb that people know it exists. Yeah, absolutely. He won't. He doesn't. He doesn't know, though.

You know, he doesn't know that he's ever been a subject on this podcast. He's for sure never listened to it. My mom does now, though. Oh, no. Yeah, she's listening. I'm pretty hard. She's going to hear all about her conception of Taylor on this episode. Bummer.

Shit. My mom does too. Yeah. And I talked about that too. Oh, I'm not editing that out. You could not pay me. Well, dude, one of her very, very. early episodes, I talked about how there was like a V.

My mom's obsessed with the WHO. There's a VHS tape of the WHO playing Quadrophenia. Billy Idol comes out and does his bellboy part. And she like flashed him. And the next day, because he like fucked up the lyrics during it because my mom was like front row and blah, blah, blah. Also they re-recorded and had to go to the boobs. No, no. My mom texted me the next day and was like, it was actually during this part at this show. Wow.

Oh. We got all the mom. We got to have them both on. I was going to say, we should have my mama. Let's do both at the same time. Should we? That'd be actually kind of fun.

That would be, that would be, I mean, no offense to this, to you, mom, by this. It would be a fucking nightmare for me.

Dude, moms of the show. Mom's just sharing, swapping stories where we're just here like, Mom. Oh, my God. Come on,

Mom, don't. Okay, that's a really good idea. We should do that. Okay. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Military guns on tour now until to infinity, man.

You just signed your, right? We're announcing dates tomorrow. Oh, man. Hey. You might as well see him now because. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We're doing shows with anxious and pile of love in California, December 9th at the Roxy. That's, that's where you got to be. Okay. That's one. The Roxy? Yeah. Damn. Who's head?

finding that the roxy really yeah you took your fucking hog out of your pants you slapped it on the table here it is so show up so it don't look like stupid idiots if you don't mind me asking what's the cap at the roxy

500 okay it's not yeah the cap isn't like insane it's the name it's the room yeah yeah yeah yeah we got to do it it's really cool because it'll be like almost exactly a year since we did it with angel dust and so it'll be like kind of interesting.

Symbolic. See how it turns out. We can go to Prince Street before the game. There's a few people who live in L.A. I'll tell you what. A couple. You'll probably do well. A couple few. How was that?

We got out of the echo. How was your New York? That show was great. New York show. Okay, this is a really important thing to talk about to the audience. Don't destroy the band's gear when they start their set.

It's like kind of super important part of the things. But I feel like when you play like a lit anywhere from like a 150 cap to a 350 cap, it's like you've run the risk of just getting rummaged by the audience from the start of the set. So track one, bass gets broken. Mike or gets ripped out to where the light, the like line is just done. And it was just like, wow, our really big show is turning out to be pretty rough. right now. Yeah, but the chaos of it had to have been more of a Well, the audience never slowed down and that was the, that was the godson of the whole thing

where it was just like, oh, I think, had they been like, can't hear the vocals, you know, this thing I just did made this set super awkward. I'm not even having fun anymore. Yeah. I can't even hear it. This is bullshit. So luckily, but those I, what did I break this for? those shows those times like that where the show is so crazy that the mic chord gets ripped

the bass gets broken that's what gets you over now definitely I just really love sounding good yeah but that's us like but the audience isn't like generally they'll be like yo they sounded great but what's gonna work

is like pretty important that that's my only thing I was just like we had we had basically work the rest of the set and it was just like like, I don't think anyone gave a shit at all, but, uh, except for me, you know, to an average showgoer, the most important things are the vocals and drums.

I guarantee it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what moves. We even had a song where the, our bass player had to leave the stage to go find a new bass. That's pretty awkward. But it was a song with like dynamics where it actually like kind of.

Yeah. But like a video. If somebody's watching a 60 seconds. TikTok or something because like the these little fragments of live music are how how you grow now yeah something where somebody online goes this is this is crazy i have to share it with something yeah that's literally the only way when we did the surprise we've like popped up on stage during other band sets twice now and those two moments like push things so far forward for us because people weren't expecting us and it gave a really concentrated like uh well this is special

because it's like oh we're hopping up for doing one song so it's like go crazy for the one song otherwise like you get you know whatever you get nothing right this so very true wise it's hard to do yeah you know that's that's real like lightning in a bottle kind of shit well yeah the audience has to actually be interested first and foremost and then you like have to like let people people like redistribute the information people are interested in this and want to go crazy but that's what's so popping about hardcore right now is is exactly that and i think it's what happened like with ceremony and trash talk and even like harm's way i remember i listened to one

episode and you guys are talking about harm's way at rain fest and it being really scary and i remember i got annihilated right at the top of that harm's way at rain fest set really that's what we open with pantera we open i'm trying to paint myself as kind of the Forrest Gump of hardcore. You were like you could you could go to all these like classic moments and I'll just be like in the background somewhere. I don't think that's the analog you quite want. No, he's somewhere between.

I'm going with it. I'm going with it. And the kingdom hearts guy. You know, he was in every movie. But we just didn't know it. You know, Ian was there. I'm Forrest Gump. Yeah.

I'm Forrest Gump. You ain't whooping no little demons and shit. Yeah, all right. You know, Ian Shelton, Forrest Gump. The way, that's perfect. Good way to wrap it. Just let everyone take that. What are you having for dinner tonight?

Whatever North Carolina has. They probably got everything. Mike try to go Waffle House because we haven't done Waffle House yet. Nothing wrong with that. Lovely. Nothing wrong. You know what's funny? I was kind of like complete.

I was just like, yeah, Walfa House is fine. I'll do it. You know? And then this, doing the show, I'm really, I think about Waffle House a lot. And then we went together. Yeah. Had a delicious meal.

And that was like a chaotic one. Like I know that's part of white, blah, blah, blah. If we went to one where we got like seated immediately like you normally do. And a full menu. And a full menu. And a full menu. Exactly.

Like the real experience. Dude, I've said this before. But when I were to the All Star, I asked for the. the waffle to come 10 minutes later. The All-Star is, Denise. Oh.

Oh. Isn't it? No, the Grand Slam. You're right, you're right, right. All-star.

There are just two baseball things. Back on. I'm a rotten egg. So when, but I asked for the waffle to come later. Uh-huh. I didn't want to do that to Ms. Portia.

Yeah, yeah. No, she was busy. She was busy. But normally that's, that's my move. So Waffle House for dinner tonight,

yeah. Yeah, we drove by one on the way in, so. How many shows do you have left on this, specific little run. We have like two weeks left.

It's like a five week total thing. You didn't even tell me about your new record slash re-release thing. Dude, let's talk about it. It's out now. I'm sure the label would be pissed if I knew that I did not mention this. And it's, and it's you, you repressed all the stuff and there's new stuff.

So it is convoluted in that way because we've been working on repress. for so long. And then this concept of like the re-release came after the records had been at the press for seven months. And with that also, we, we recorded those songs with Taylor. Like, I mean, some of them, two of them are iPhone recordings, actually. And then Taylor mixed them to sound better. Now, do you mean like they were like an eight track on an iPhone or just?

In a room record. It's like I have a specific micing technique for drums and guitars and when I just just the my garage band on my iPhone. It's crazy. That's amazing. So yeah, I can't stand busy people and can't get none are both. All the instruments come from the iPhone. Come from just being miced from an iPhone.

And then Taylor mixed those. But yeah, we wanted to do it and then get it out for this. So we weren't going to have vinyl for this for now anyway. So it was like, why not? Just release it digitally and keep it moving. Because if everyone just decides to wait around for vinyl, like, that's nothing's ever going to happen. It's getting better. But yeah, that was that was definitely a debate with the dead body stuff.

Like, do we? Because it's been done for. You did wait forever. So long. That's right. It's been a full year. I was like a, I was like 175 pounds in those promo picks. crazy. How much are you now?

220. Wow. Really? You eat 220 pounds? Yeah, really? Slapping meat. Meat man. Man meat. That's crazy. It's for dinner. Yeah, which. Feeling good.

So listen to all Rosie to the gun. Okay, the third one. A third installment. That's how I wanted to call it all roses to do the gun three, but it just would have been too confusing because then there's two other all Rhodesley to the gun before you get to three so are not though

there are so that's why it's all roads lead to the gun deluxe uh deluxe but then it was it's and the single terrific with an incredible video thank you did you do that how much for that video was you

the ideas were me but that's our guitar player will he is the freaking him. The one that, the one you gave the keys to. Yeah. That lost the key. Yeah, I gave the keys to well. So, but he just keep, you know. He did a good video. So maybe he gets to pass on. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I give him the least shit. Yeah. So basically Will and I's relationship and goes all the way back to like when I started doing like the bigger angel dust videos is me like thrusting Will into the really difficult parts. Well, so I can work on the creative elements.

And so Will has to deal with everything that sucks. So like literally we had one concept for the, let me be normal video. And I was like, that's kind of difficult. Fuck it. Let's just pull up and do green screen. And then I have like a couple ideas.

And then as we're driving to the shoot, I was like, all right, Will, do you think that you put my face on a baby and the baby gets picked up and then kicked into space? and he's like yeah i could do that and then i was like all right could you have my brother pick me up as a baby and then box me and then i was like could you have true story or no these are all

my little brother did smash my leg in half once wow but he was a baby and he he was the baby at the time because he's my younger brother he's younger and he jumped out of um the off the bunk bed and we had one of those like really cheap futon mattress bunk bed ones where I had the like really large metal grading my leg just goes and slips between and then my whole body goes and it snapped my small and my mom didn't believe me about that I was in paint she just thought I was trying to get out of school which I did a lot um walked on it for two weeks wow holy fuck Unbelievable. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I could like permanently alter the course of your life. I just got my, my real. Probably why I'm short. You guys know about real idea? Yeah,

I got one. Yeah. Yeah. So I just had to renew my life. I just had to renew my license. I was just there the other day. And one of the things they asked for for proof of residency is your high school transcripts.

It's like an option. For some reason, I had that. I think from when I got my passport originally back in the day. And I just had them laying around. I was looking at my day's absence. And I remember my mom gave me a limit of five days a year that I could just like,

for any reason, I could just stay home. Wow. Mom, she's out of the curve. And what was funny was every year, it was five days for every single. I was maxed out. I think my sixth grade year, I missed like 45 days.

45 days. I missed like a little piece of shit, like in the semester. Oh my God. Wow. Were you a little fucker or what? No, I've always been more scared of like trouble.

then, like, I don't get in trouble, but I just would lie to stay home. Okay. She didn't never really like school. Same. What were your guys' grades like? Dude, I could literally go get my transcripts right now. I don't want to see your fucking thing.

Pathetic. That was like a B minus. Okay. Never did. Never did homework once. Neither did I. Neither did I. I never did homework. Same.

Ever. Ever. I think my last, I think my overall GPA was like two. Oh, dude, I was a 2.4. So I was right there with you. That was pretty similar. I did, uh, guys. I did running start for my final year. And I was so, it was, uh, it's like where you go to college instead of high school for your final year.

And I really just did it so I could slack off more. And it worked. Yeah. Yeah. Did I fail German like every year? And my teacher just let you come back. Why did you have German classes? That's fucking pointless.

I agree. But he speaks German. It's coming handy. It's worked. Has it? Does that where you learn German or did you grow up learned? Don't fucking speak German right now. Don't do it to think.

I don't want to hear you. No, I only learned in school. Are you going to compliment him? Compliment Colin in German. You be a schwein hunt. No, I'm saying like the German way. Oh, no, don't do that. I can't handle that right now.

I can definitely. I speak fluid now. I just called you a bastard, by the way. You're obsessed with calling me a bastard. I said compliment. And what kind of sick man are you? My parents were married when I was born, okay? I'm a bastard.

Are you? See? So that's offensive. I'm not either. I'm a trueborn. Yeah. I didn't even know my dad. Just to answer the question.

I took German because it was offered. The Spanish classes were like huge and were like serious. And the German one just seemed like really chill. And my family's from Germany. It's just so useless to know in this country, you know. Everybody's... I just don't know if I go around saying that your family's from Germany. Yeah, how'd they get here and when and why?

Yeah, what year did they write? Inylum, perhaps? Like before the first World War, so... What did they think of World War I? What did my family think of World War I? Are they for it, or... They're rocking with it, probably. Because they weren't into the Kaiser, right?

So they probably weren't for it. What did they think of number three? I'll tell you what they really loved was World War 5, brother. God, damn, right. My opa was all about World War II, if you're listening. Dude, you know that's a true story that my mom bought a twitching tongue shirt off of eBay, and it was Leo. That's a true story.

She bought a shirt, wears it, has it, and it was Leo. That's awesome. That is perfect. Ian, what's the rest of your night like? I'm going to watch Survivor. Listen to some Kanye, watch some Kanye. Speaking of World War I, I'm going to watch that. I'm going to watch that on the Western front.

Speaking of World War I. Speaking of World War I are two, Kanye West. Yeah, I'm going to probably watch Survivor. What's season you on? I'm watching the current one. Oh, shit. Jeff Probst went to my gym for a while. Really?

Very nice. I'm trying to, I, shredded. I, I grapple constantly with whether or not I want to apply. I could get you on, no joke. I think I would have a good chance to get it over. But then I'm like, well, then I have to do it. Yeah, then you're there. It's the same casting as Big Brother.

My thing is I can send one email. I know that I could not win. It would ruin my music career. Yeah, it would. So, you know, assuming I could maybe have some good type of social strategy, I would have to, like, strategically be like, like, I need to get in fourth place. You know what I'm saying? Like, you'd have to be like a sacrifice kind of guy. Yeah.

You want like, like a power goat type situation, you know, where you're like playing. Where they want you back next season, but you say no. And then you really like to set the next season and you get voted off early because people like that person's a threat there. Yeah. They're too good. Survivor All-Stars. But in rock music, if they know that you got a million dollars, you're over. You're out, dude.

Wow. But I think in lieu of touring, I feel like a Survivor play would really get the career going, you know? Absolutely. I knew a girl who got like the offer for real world. Like we were pseudo-dating way, way fucking back. There's a member of a hardcore band who almost got on. um survivor ran up so bummed still to the state that he didn't get on this guy this guy hayden that was on big brother the first season i walk i uh i worked on was like i don't know if he became

a tongue's head after he got off or like while he was in there because he like hit me up immediately after the season and it was bizarre because i'm watching this guy as like his underling right and then a week later he's like fucking preacher man bro let's go isn't it strange having like a famous fan because you're like it feels like this should do something for me but it just does not. It's real but it's it's really is like music

is the thing where like no matter how famous or powerful you are you listen to music. Yeah. And it's like especially if it's if you're an actor or something who can't play music music blows your fucking mind. So you just want to be friends with those people. Like the people that the world

looks up to look up to musicians because it's like the thing they can't. do we've i mean chris santos was like instrumental in us getting on metal blade yeah and when fucking mattie mathison wore the harm's way shirt on the yeah that rocked that that was like constantly every day for like a month you're getting tagged every day have you seen this so it it it pays resilient i don't know i randomly that was crazy randomly was just like here's um he just posted an rjc song on his main profile like on like on his grid he posted just this song absence and then i ran into him

no and i was like really random uh hey man like i you posted my band recently and he was and he said he found out about us via montana public radio that an author he was listening to was talking about liking us and that's how he found our band you know what's funny about that though how much shit did I give you for not putting the name on the album art? And I still stand by what it. What is? But then he posted, he didn't post the name. Yeah, it did. It said absence, regional justice. It did not

say the name. I remember looking at it. I remember thinking, imagine if they put the name on this art. It still would have yielded nothing. I got like 196 likes. It's like if I can, it means nothing. It means absolutely nothing. Except for like, oh, someone who I think is cool thinks I'm cool. Yeah. Like that's, that's the only. power and like a

famous motherfucker liking your shit. It's a good feeling. This man posts a lot. Insane amount. Yeah, I was like, holy shit, this got no likes. But I got a lot like us reposting. I got a lot of people to go comments on it. Yeah, exactly. It really is, it is hilarious how little it would take for me to be like,

I fuck with this guy. You know, it's just like, if you're like, I like this song, you did. I'm like, I love him forever. I die for this man. Yeah. It's hard. It's really hard. It's really hard having your opinions change so rapidly due to your ego being inflated. Isn't it? Isn't it?

It's the easiest way. It's crazy, man. Ego is a hell of a thing. It's so funny how accessible musicians are because we're all so self-conscious. I know. You like me? You like me? It's the easiest art to shit on because it's so subjective, you know?

Yeah. Like it's too subjective. I've really tried to adopt your mindset, Colin. where it's like, like your movie mindset where it's like, nothing sucks. Nothing sucks because everything took a lot of work. Like obviously nothing sucks. Yeah. I've really tried to adapt that.

My logic with like things sucking is like maybe I'll talk shit privately about something if I find it egregious. But the other strategy I have is I just say I've never heard something if I dislike it. And that way nobody ever has to feel away about me disliking what they've made. Yeah. So it's just like, what do you think of this band? I'm like,

I never heard it. And that is an interesting. That's the Mariah Carey method. I don't know. I don't know that. I don't know her. It is an interesting dynamic to just like, obviously I don't like all music that's come out.

Yeah. But I don't want to be the guy to be like, this is terrible about anything. I have the phenomena and it happened with RJC earlier on where I was like, all these guys in like metalcore bands. and like Death Corps bands love RJC for some reason. And I'm like, I do not give a shit about a single band in that genre. But I'm, so I don't want to publicly like talk shit on something that is like my

clearly a part of my fan base. Same with like military gun and guys in pop punk bands. Like that is a part of our, that's a sector of our fan base. And it's like, I have no intent on being rude to someone who likes my band. So I'm not going to talk shit. on pop punk bands and like straight up dude that's it's just if you if you fuck with my creative output 1% I'm taking a bullet for you whether you like it or not I'm dying for you yeah I mean I feel like um you also probably have a really specific uh thought process on it just because of

twitching tongues being the polarizing band that it was at the time and like I like my thing with I'm more recently a Twitching Tongues fan but there was when that mother when that movie mother came out I still haven't seen it because I just loved how much people were on one side of the other of it's good or it's bad it's the worst thing ever and I just loved not having a stake in the conversation

you have not seen it yet I still have not seen it it's a it's a bottom 10 for me probably really yeah big time all time oh yeah and so but right down there with Halloween ends brother I just watch it for fun I don't go Did you see Halloween ends? Oh yeah

Wins watched it by myself in Colona, BC I watched it by myself as well and it feels like to me that Kenny Powers co-wrote it and not Danny McBride That's kind of how all of them felt I watched

Blackphone and Barbarian Incredible. Barbarian's incredible I want to talk about Halloween ends though I think that the concept that they went into with the second two is like the psychosis of Haddonfield. And I don't think they stuck the landing, but I think they were really original. Like I could not stand how many times I had to hear the sentence,

evil dies tonight in Halloween Kittles. But the idea of the mob mentality and them killing the guy, it took entirely too long to kill the guy. The mob mentality scene is one of the worst things to ever happen. But if you think about it. it just as a story beat and as an interesting facet to a town that's been haunted by a serial killer who will not go away. It's super interesting.

I agree. I don't think they stuck the landing on either of the concepts in either of the final movies, but were great, great concepts. Because Michael is still called the shape and the credits. And the whole gimmick is that evil doesn't die. It takes a new shape. and that's what they were going for with that last one. But they forgot to make it good.

Or do anything. Every decision that was made I was sitting, I was on my couch going, what? What? Yes. I peacocked it. Nice.

Lame. I was got, I had tickets, but. Watching a first run movie at home is so lame. Yeah. I'm about to do that tonight right now. With Halloween ends. With,

uh, I'll quiet on the Western Front. the remake. Oh, okay. Do you know how bad it fucked me up growing up that Haddonfield? A made-up place was in Illinois. Oh, God. I was so...

Oh, as you were the biggest pussy in the history of show. I was a huge pussy, and I grew up in the suburbs, like, right where Haddonfield would be that, like, looked like home. And it was truly just Pasadena. Yeah, yeah. When the Halloween H-2-O trailer came out, it ruined my life. Why? I was at the perfect age where...

In the circle? The circle, the circle shot is the scariest thing of all time. And I remember, I always wanted to sleep on my parents' floor because I was just so scared of being in my room. And my stepdad at one point literally made me, he opened the front door and said, you're sleeping in the living room. And that was the scariest night of my life. Dude, H2O is so good.

Wait, a Siri kicked up for me. So I just, I don't know if I disappeared. No, you're here. You're good. I just got really scared for it. second. Yeah, yeah, that was scary. That was scary. Something haunted happened. Dude, I was a huge scary cat

and yeah, that fucked with me. I would sleep on my mom's floor a lot when I was a kid. Yeah, it was, that was a spot I preferred and my stepdad did not like that at all. How good is at Halloween age to O? I haven't seen it since it came out. It goes of Gordon Levy gets murked in the very

beginning. So awesome. Does he really? I'm pretty sure he gets killed with an ice skate, like right off top. Dude, one of my favorite beginnings to any movie is legitimately the beginning of Halloween 2. The fact that it picks up. Oh, yeah. Immediately after the first one.

Halloween 2 was actually the first one I saw. Wait for the beginning of Halloween ends. Let me know what you think. Dude, the fact that some innocent kid gets run over and then burned alive in the beginning of Halloween 2 is so fucking insane. That's awesome. It's so crazy. What were you going to say?

One more Halloween thing. I've been sharing. I had a paranormal experience for the first time in my life, really. Oh. So we got this new apartment. And I'm not like keen to believe in haunted shit necessarily. I'm definitely scared and I like don't try to look down a hallway if it's dark or anything like that. But like probably a couple weeks into living there, I went up and peed and was walking back.

And as I was approaching the bed, I thought my girlfriend was walking. walking by me. And I got into bed and then like move my hand. I was like, oh shit, she's in bed. And they were straight up someone that walked by me in my bedroom. That is exactly what happened to me. And yet we have a common friend for all of these stories. Boe's going to say you were tired and it didn't count.

Is that it? I mean, that's what he thinks. It's the same. with Colin's story. I wasn't even tired. I was just want to lay down and watch. I was just rusty my eyes. Dude,

I mean, like, if it's the same story, that makes me believe that it was bullshit, honestly, so. No,

no. But I, but I wasn't even that tired. Wait, did he tell it on this podcast? Yeah. Okay, what episode?

I saw a female figure. I don't know, I don't know where and why, okay, thanks for supporting the podcast, Ian. I don't know where, where I initially told it,

but it's, I saw a figure of a young woman. I really liked the paranormal talk on the justice episode. It actually could have been on the just episode because you guys talked a lot about paranormal shit. Oh, it was. No, it was. I think it was.

It was either justice or Emma. I can't remember. Well, I've listened to the justice episode for sure, but I would have had this experience before. And I didn't say anything to my girlfriend because I didn't want her to be scared. So,

okay, now here's the question. A brand new apartment. Wait, wait, here's the question. Have you said anything to her since? About it.

I haven't talked to her in weeks. but what I'm saying is that's a good control is if she out of nowhere he had a really bad sleep paralysis and that was independent of my thing and and each of us have like thought the cat was somewhere that it wasn't and then the cat was right next to us multiple times

so that's like the extent of the of the haunting I feel not threatened I don't feel threatened at all I don't feel any negative energy. So I'm kind of rocking with it. I could go to a spooky place. I could go to a haunted house. And I'm still going to go, ah, when somebody jumps at me. Because that's just a natural thing.

Oh, that's a good, it's a good call. But like I don't. Not scared if you wear earplugs. Cheek code. If you're just listening to like Robert Palmer walking through a haunted house. No, I'm saying I wear straight up just. Oh, me earplugs. Yeah, I'm just thinking about putting on your own sound.

Half the battle is the sounds. And you're like, I don't want the sounds. I just want the visual aspect. Yeah. Of being haunted. Well, that was like when we did, I did horror nights. And then like at a certain point, your nerves are so fried. And you're like, I'm just going to put in these little,

and I'm just going to admire the design here. Just going to look around and appreciate all the attention to detail that they didn't have. Such an interesting. That's one thing I'm real jealous about you. I mean, there's lots of things to be jealous about, about living in Southern California or in California in general. but one thing that I'm truly jealous about is Halloween Horn Nights.

That shit is so cool. I count down the... I didn't get to go this year. It sucks. I don't think Taylor went either, which is... Yeah, Taylor didn't go either. This is the first year in...

So this is my 16th year going. This is the first year in 13 that I did not go with Taylor. Wow. Because just nobody made a peep and I had to make it, I had to make a fucking... I tried to go really early

and I think part of the conversation was that you, you would not be willing to go early. And then we never brought it up ever again. Absolutely. Here's the thing. And I don't like going late. Everybody just always does it.

But like to me, when I go there, that kind of kickstarts the season for me. I'm like, all right. We talked about how bad last year was. I went in Florida because we were in Florida on Halloween weekend. And it sucked so bad because of the COVID stuff. Oh. I don't think any year has ever been bad. The plexiglass and then like characters who did not have masks were all wearing masks.

And I was in Florida. Oh, the masks were pretty gnarly. It was so lame. But I was going to say I've only been in Florida. And part of what's so rocking about it is you can still go to fucking Diagon Alley and all that shit. Yeah. You know, because it's all still open. You could do that this year here and there were like Death Eaters walking around.

It was bad. But isn't it only Hogwarts? Huh? Do you guys have Diagon Allie yet? the Universal in Hollywood? I think the Florida one is just much bigger, but I'm going to find out. My mother is coming to Southern California for Thanksgiving and she wants to go to Disney and Universal. Huge. So I'll report back on that. All right. Sounds good. You report back. You keep us posting on the ghost and Bo and I will continue to do our own research on the school.

I think you could do some research at my apartment. We could do and you should do a hauntler in my apartment, get to the bottom of this. That's all we want to do. all we want to do. That's literally the goal. This is going to be over soon. Yeah. I will, I will, uh, I will help achieve a hauntler series on television if ever you need. I, I've wanted nothing more than to turn off the lights and say, what's that for a long time. So it's, I felt like that the real me came out that day. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. How did you get a what's that counter? Is it how many times did you not watch it?

I didn't watch it. Oh, that's a, that's a lot of, our best. That's our best one. This guy hates us. I think our, I think our best outbys. Stop writing your fucking two riffs today and watch our incredible. Our best two outputs are the, the actual hauntler like us there. And then the, well, I started it. And then we still don't know what happened with the knock. No idea. We still don't know. Yeah. Unsolved mystery. Which, by the way, was there a scarier soundtrack to anything than unsolved mysteries? That's a good one. Do you remember the, the theme song for that? theme yeah it's good shit

scared the fuck out of me as a kid what are your final thoughts here Ian what do you want to what do you want to leave I feel lame that my story is the same as your story I just I now regret telling my paranormal Ian Ian that's called confirmation brother is it that we

both no that's additional evidence he's a fucking idiot we don't live in the same house how is it additional evidence because it's the same thing happening in two different places. That's irrefutable proof. That sometimes someone just walks by you

as you're getting into bed. Yes. And they're really close and you go, what's that? Oh, you shouldn't, your brain doesn't register it correctly because it shouldn't be there. Because your brain is also about to be in a place. Shut the fuck up, Mo. I'll say that I I don't ever feel like I'm

just so tired when I go pee. Usually I'm going pee because I can't go back to sleep. Because I have to pee. Fair enough. But I'm just saying there's all, it's always part of the story. They know that though. Wait, but peeing is a part of the story as well.

Why are we not factoring that in here? Going to bed, being anything to do with bed. What also? No, you know, are we not? Are we all awake at 3 a.m. The haunting hour? It's never, it's never. I was on my way to the grocery store at 1 o'clock and on the sidewalk all of a sudden.

They sleep during the day. they're up at night they're nocturnal I always forget you're right we're being a fucking loser I'll stop being a loser I kind of wish I didn't say that that story now and no no no no no no no

you're right you're right we're stupid I was never been right in his life he's never been wrong is what I all I've heard he's never lied but he's wrong Oh he's never lie He doesn't believe that he's lying but he's speaking in bullshit. So we got that.

I'm excited to be home someday. Home's really cool. It's really nice. You go to Appaloney's yet? Like home. You go to Apollonias yet near your home? The fuck is that? Oh, that's the pizza place.

No, I haven't done it yet, but I think Audrey has. I'll text you. I think Audrey went there with Taylor. I think Taylor and Kyle, came over. They tried to and I guess they couldn't. Oh, there's like a crazy line or something like that. There always is. I told them to order ahead. Quit being. We had, we had Taylor and Kyle over for dinner and and we, and Audrey picked the spot and she picked a Korean barbecue spot. And then we sat down and it was the most expensive meal I've ever had. And they, we, none of us bailed. We committed. That's how you

do it. It was amazing. Life is way too short to not just ball on. Money is around to buy things. That's what I'm saying. I mean, when meyundies and Manscape are funding your life, what's Korean barbecue? Please. I can only imagine. Also, but speaking of, I mean, this is not sponsored in any way, just so you guys know. That's true. Not actually sponsored.

I happen to come across some of these Manscape underwear. Oh, my God. Wait, you can't talk about the Monscape underwear because you need the Miondi's plug as well. You're fucking the money up right now. I'm not fucking, they don't part. Well, they start paying me. They can get it. But I just happen.

Now they're going to listen to this and know that you've plugged the Manscape underwear and they're not going to give you shit. But if the Manscape underwear is so dope, who cares? It's good stuff, man. I mean. I'm not going to talk about it anymore. They don't get nothing else for free. Manccape.

Anyway, Manscape holler at me. I'm starting a podcast at some point in my life. Don't. It's going to be huge numbers. Do it. Do not. It is going to be massive. It's going to be the new Kanye West Joe Rogan of podcasts.

So hollery, boy. So racist and racist. And a little dumb. You got to listen to find out. This is all part of my marketing scheme. Okay, this is it. Okay, perfect. Well, we'll come on back.

We'll talk about, I want to know more about the apartment. We'll come and we'll do the, do the, do the hauntler at the apartment. We'll bring an EMF. We'll bring a spirit box. We'll bring the band spirit box. and we'll get it. We'll get down to brass tacks here. Ian, thank you so much for being on the show.

Thank you for having me. All right. You have a great night. Bo, you have a fucking rotten night. You hope you have a ghoulish evening. Thanks for making me feel stupid, Bo. Come on, man. Classic, Bo.

You got to know. Talking down to me, calling me the forest gump of hardcore and shit. Oh, good. This is going to be a good thumbnail. All right. Happy Halloween, guys. I love you so much.

Bye.