HardLore - Isaac Hale (Knocked Loose)

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

While Bo is on tour with Harms Way and Colin is recovering from being possessed by the spirit of Ronald McDonald, we bring you this very special extended mini-HardLore from the vault with one of the great modern riffers of our time: The great Isaac Hale of Knocked Loose, Inclination and Weapon X. They talk bonding through the Cheescake Factory, touring with each other as strangers, being called industry plants and much, much more! This episode is brought to you by MADD VINTAGE, use code HARDLORE15 for 15% off your order site-wide: https://maddvintage.com Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef FOLLOW ISAAC: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/caasihale/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/caasihale FOLLOW KNOCKED LOOSE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/KNOCKEDLOOSEhc TWITTER | https://twitter.com/KNOCKEDLOOSE FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/KnockedLoose/ TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@knockedloosehc FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's almost hardlore time. Bo is still on tour with Harm's Way, and I've still got some Ronald McDonald on my face. So while we can't get you a brand new episode, we still can present you this very special extended mini with Isaac Hale of Knock Fluse. Enjoy. Hello and welcome. Welcome to Mini Hardlore. How you doing, Colin? Doing great. We are live from For the Children Fest in Southern, sunny Southern California. And I'm here with my very dear, dear. Dear Young Head Friend You killed that intro By the way

Thank you so much Who I adore Thank you Isaac Hale Knocked loose Inclination Weapon Ficking X

Edgman 3 Along with Lord knows However many other projects Who God knows Dare I say a modern Sean Marks

How you doing? I'm doing great Having a great time I was the set today It was great There was a moment where a crowd member basically jumped into the drums, which meant that a good half of the song was just toast.

Excellent. But other than that, I'm sure Mills loves. Yeah, he had a great. Neurotic. Yeah. You, me, and Lumpy. Yes. Or in a group chat.

Yes, we are. It's called the gimmick. Yes, it is. It's dedicated to a certain item that the Cheesecake Factory holds. Big fan. Does he know about this? He knows. I'm...

You're aware. I'm aware of the lore. Okay. But I don't know the depth. Okay. It starts in what, 2018? 20... Yeah, when was that tour?

Yeah, it was 2018. Yeah. 2018. Knock loose headliner. Tell me about the gimmick. Okay, so you have... It starts really with every time I die. It does start really with every time I die.

Andy and Mitch from every time I die loved the flattened pizza. Pizza. Chicken pizza style, I think. What do they call it? I think it's just chicken pizza. Chicken parm pizza style. That's what it is.

Oh, I get that all the time. So that's the gimmick. Andy didn't know what it was called. He said, ah, give me the chicken gimmick. Yeah. And that's what it became. Okay. We started getting it constantly.

And then we toured together. And I think we got it. Oh, I actually, since I started ordering it, I've gotten it 100%. I've never not gotten it when I go to Cheesecake Factor. That's true. Yeah. People will try. What sucks is that it's such, as you guys both know, it's such an expansive.

menu. There's nothing bad on the menu. But I'm so dedicated to this one item that I will get it every time. And every time we get it, we send a picture. I substitute the noodles. Oh, he's got customizations, which I do panet noodles. I do panet noodles. Is that your favorite noodle? Probably. I'm a rigatoni. I like rigatoni. I like, I like, it's just kind of, it comes with spaghetti. It comes with spaghetti normally, but I like linguine. Linguine would be good on it. A little thicker. But I'm, I'm, I've got my order already. I'm not changing. We've seen it with

white sauce. We've seen it with red sauce. We've seen it with different noodles. It's every time you get it, you send a pick to the group chat with the location. And then just like a great mix. Do you get a cheesecake too? And it's years old. So yeah. I mean

so at first I got that thing. It was like, oh, so much food could only eat half to three-fourths of it. Now I'm down in it every time and cheesecake. So that's like a 4,000 calorie meal. It's honestly fucked up that they put them calories on the menu.

Fuck off. I don't need that. Give me the censor the menu. Like if I'm in that mood, like I'll do that. I'll eat the cheesecake and then I'll go to a movie after and get pop. But you're a slender lad. Which we did. You've clearly been blessed. So I eat once a day.

But that meal is huge. Oh man. What time is that normally happens? Usually between 5 and 7 p.m. Before that, I'm just... He's just the opposite. Oh, you're a breakfast guy? I would be...

I'd be mean to everybody around. When you wake up, do you want to eat food? It depends on the day. Like a weekday, if I'm... No, generally, I eat for the first time around noon, but I've done, like, a lot before. I fast every day until about five when I'm off work. Exactly.

Well, this doesn't count for you. You wake up at two. I don't need this from you guys, you know? It doesn't change the fact that I eat at five. Yeah, you wake up at two, it doesn't matter. Me, I'll wake up at 9 or 10, and the thought of food will make me throw it. Really? I hate it. So I'll just chug water all day. So this is the secret. Starve yourself for about seven or eight hours.

Have an eating disorder. Yeah, that is literally a disorder. What is, no, people have told me. That's not intermittent fasting. That's not intermittent fasting. Sure it is. One meal a day at 5 p.m. is not intermittent fast. Okay, I will snack. Okay. Is your beef with it, is your beef with it that it's not until 5 or that that's the only? No, my beef with it is you're saying you eat every 24 hours.

No, because I'll eat after that too. Oh, okay. That's not limited. You said you eat one meal a day. But that's a snack. Oh, you're snacky boys. So you are intermittent fasting. Yes.

You eat between the hours of 5 p.m. and 5 a.m. Yes. What is your cheesecake from Cheesecake Factory? Do you have a go-to? I switch because... It's okay. It's okay to switch. Smores is up there.

Interesting. Smores is up there. Red velvet's up there. Wow. You know what the most fuck, the one that makes you hate yourself the most is the Cinnabund one. Oh. Because Cinebuns make you hate yourself already.

You're eating a fucking king size sheet. Straight up. I'm a banana cream guy. Yeah. Fresh banana cream. Exquisite. It's really, really nice. The vanilla bean is, I think.

Yeah, you're a classic. Yeah. Have either of you had just the standard cheesecake? Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Is it great? I think it's the lowest. I think it's the only one I have.

It's the healthiest one. Well, then I've never getting. I like it because it's like, oh, it's only 700. The birthday celebration one is also a surprise. Dude, I don't like birthday cake usually, but the birthday celebration cheesecake is cool. Very good. That one's like 1,200, I think. One of my fondest memories is we were playing.

I love that you know. Soundstage or something in Baltimore on your tour. And I went to the cheesecake factory, got the sugar-free cheesecake with the sugar-free whipped cream, which they have. Because I was doing keto at the time, sat next to PACSUN, Just watch your set. It's ultimate vibes on the KAL tours. Love it. You know, nowadays, hardcore is changing rapidly.

Not bands like Knocked Loose are at the pinnacle of it. Everybody wants to be Knocked Loose, but nobody wants to do what Knock Loose did. What does that mean? You grind it. We did do that. You grind it. And people don't really see that. They kind of became, they become aware of you at this.

They're like, oh, they're headlining the Worcester Palladium. That's crazy. Like, wow. They blew up overnight. Not really. Yeah. And I like that you have, like, if a guy leaves the band, like, Nico joining the band, he was a grinder. Yeah.

And Brian has said, that's why you picked him. You didn't want some hired gun. That poor guy played in this awesome band that no one cared about for like eight years. What been? This bank called Church Tongue. Okay. It was just like a band from Indianapolis. And what's fucking?

Indianapolis is close, brother. It sounded like misery signals. Okay. But it was just like, it was moshy but also nerdy. And just like, we saw them play so many times to just nobody. I became aware of Knocked Loose because on a Code Orange tour, we played, what's the place in New Albany? The production house. Is that it?

There was an LDB there one year? Yes. Okay. We played there. Knocked loose opened or played before Harms Waded. Um, everyone lost their fucking minds. New Albany's right outside of Louisville. Everyone lost their...

All. Everyone lost their minds. Big walkout. And us in code afterwards, we're like, who the fuck was that? Wow. Who are these fucking crews? Like, what's going on? This is crazy.

Like, people straight up went insane. You know what that's called? Revolution, brother. It's straight up. Fast forward. 2020, March. We are robbed. of a perfect tour.

What was the tour? What was the lineup? Dude. Madball, knocked loose, Harmsway, Bus, Europe. Rob, in a Russian band, I think. A Russian thrash band. A Russian thrash band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we were going to be on a bus.

And much like us, knocked loose are like doers. They love to explore, take a pick, get some food. Much like us, meaning harm's way? Much like Harmsway. Because I'm not like you. I'm not a do stuff guy. Yeah, that's fine.

I'm a horizontal. He can hang out with Kevin. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You can hang out with Kevin. Play magic. Yeah. I dabble. Okay.

I'm a plane. I walk the planes. Sounds great. You know? And that kills me. Yeah. It just bums me out. Here's the thing.

Whenever that tour was discussed, none of us gave a shit about the shows that we were asked. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't about the tour. Oh, this isn't about that. We were just sharing a bus with arms away. Straight up giddy to be on a bus with our boys. Eating some fucking goulash. and some fucking late night falaf.

Having that hard bread at the venue. Hard bread. Hard bread at the end of the... In that moment, the hard bread is like, thank God. Dude, I kind of love the hard bread. Between the hard bread and some soft curry, I'm going with the hard bread. You'll walk into a venue and there'll be like a pretzel there. Dude, the one pretzel.

One one cucumber? I take that. I take that shit. Yeah, it's like first thing in the morning. Love the one cucumber. You ever get breakfast in Germany and it's, those round hard rolls and then just like various jams and jellies and like that's it yeah i don't fuck with that i just told you i don't eat till five dude he's done the thought of breakfast

is gonna make me puke dude what's going on so so so that means if you're going to waffle house yeah yeah you adhere to the rules that you can't eat there before 11 p.m. i mean yeah i didn't i didn't know people went that's a lie i've i've had waffle house for breakfast before yeah yeah yeah That just sounds insane. Yeah, I don't, I don't think that's real anymore. I don't, I refuse to, I refuse to believe that they open until like midnight. You are a crazy riff machine. Thank you.

And I mean that in the best possible way. Appreciate that. What gives you the right? How do you do that? I'm so sorry. You just stay busy. No. No.

But it's because I don't play guitar every day. because sometimes I'll do a four-month tour and I'll be like, hey, maybe I don't pick up the guitar after this. Because I used to play more instruments. Like, I used to play drums and shit. I used to be good at drums. And then I started touring so much that I play them once every six months now. And, dude, that double bass pedal, it goes away.

Oh, really? You lose that? Interesting. So now I'm just trash. Interesting. But yeah, I'm less excited about, playing guitar every day that I'm more about like doing the voice memo riff thing and then

putting that down. That's what I'm so good. God. Yeah. The amount of... Being able to demo stuff now and like basically what I'm stoked about is like hearing it in my head and then putting it down. Immediately. And I used to have to wait you to my... I used to have to wait two years for that. Yeah. And now the Kurt Ballou Drum Pack. Yes. And Taylor's fucking tone hub thing. I've been using the same shit for 10 years,

and I just, I have a song in my head, I put it down, and I'm moshed in my living room. And that's what I do. You're, and whenever, throughout the process of you making the inclination record, you would post those videos of like a really good sounding pre-pro demo. Yeah. And I was always so jealous because I couldn't,

I didn't know how to program drums yet. Now, I figured. Are you on, or you say, are you on the train now? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I got the, any of the wrestling songs I've done, those are programs. So that's like all my laptop and then I mix by another guy. Brian Battice.

Shout out, Brian. He's great. I'm mosh into the Hardler intro. See, that's it. That's it. That was my MacBook. I knew it. You and I also, we share a deep, deep love of a band.

Yes, we do. That we made a podcast about over the podcast. You know a Metallica podcast? Yes. How many apps? Two. Three? Two or three?

Three. The idea was. start with and we were almost there and we were almost there we were very close to start with hit the lights first song ever and then what's the newest song oh talk about the two and then work your way to the middle but then by record right so then the episode two is uh fight fire with fire yes and then the second of last song uh it's an insane you're still working on the concept yes it's an insane idea maybe not festival pitch it no it's just high art oh just like only certain people get it's concept yeah yeah but yeah but But we, I mean, we talked for an hour about these songs. Just about like, it was, tones. It was all good. Influences. I had so much fun.

What is it called? Lyrical contact. Phantom Lords. Yeah, Phantom Lords. It's pretty good. Yeah. Check it out. We didn't do anything with it, but it's just shelved is all it is.

Oh, it exists and it's not out there? Yeah. So you can't check it out. You can't check it out. But what if we gave them the exclusive? In the description of this video is both the first two episodes. I haven't. We would have to redo it. I'll mix them. So now, if we did it now, it would be incredible.

Because it was already pretty good, and we didn't know what that was. We didn't know what we were doing. You know, like, it was a, yeah, yeah. You're gonna, producer. I'm the producer. Yeah. Executive producer. Not Fest presents, Phantom Lords, a Metallica podcast. By Not Fest, by Hardler. But yeah, it's the best band in the world. Yeah, best band. Period. Not close. best band in the world I would genuinely say

the most influential American band I'm not gonna argue that I would say for me it's Dying Fetus first then Metallica probably I mean if you think Fetus isn't listening to those Talica riffs brother you got yeah

Fetis is listening to death threat and 25 to life became Danana da da da I mean they covered next step Yeah exactly that's the best That's another thing about you. You can fucking sing.

What's your problem? Well, I don't think I could... Sure, but you can... I could front to hardcore. You didn't not just now. You could front to a hardcore band. And often guest spot four bands. People make fun of me for that.

Why? Because I'll sing so much for other bands and they'll just be like... Can tell a story real quick? Absolutely. That's literally what we're doing. This is a great story. I was on, I was on stage for a Hands of God show, LDB 2020.

And I did like a guest spot the day before. And then like one of the guys was like, hey, you should do this spot today. So I'm just like chilling next to the mic getting all amped up for the spot. Like, you know, sets going off, whatever. Jared is right there, their homie. and he just like right before I'm about to go on I grabbed the mic I grab the mic and I like I'm about to go on he just looks at me and he looks at the mic and he goes another one

and I'm just like Jared Soser he is like a stoic assassin he'll get you like your like your brother like my brother's an assassin yeah yeah yeah um I want to be I want to sing for a band you I mean why not I'm sure you I don't even know what that band sounds like right do you want it to sound like so many things I like everything you got to growl there's very few music that I don't like do you have one that you just can't stand like a salad music yeah

reggaeton we discovered recently so oh I love daddy Yankee so I don't like to cut yeah cut too cut cut cut that's what I get that's regenton I don't like it we were in a lift or an Uber in Boston going to a pizza place for like 45 minutes non stop yeah and it's A radio station where it's like... And here's the thing. I appreciate the culture. The cultural thing. Yeah, it's not so awesome. Of course.

That's what they want. They want doka, doka, doka, doka, and I like when it's fast. I like when it's like, I'm down with that. But it's like the goal in regatone is the same song. Like, I got to do what the other guy did. I'm going to say something even crazy. We played Puerto Rico once, and I can't, I think it may have been breeding grounds.

And instead of the DB, Chris, like, joke like, like, Bukka, bopam, butem, but a bum fordum, but a bum fordum, but a bum puttum. He like, did you turn around and smack him in the head? No, it was. Isn't it funny how. People cheered. How regitone is almost do, do, do cut, do cut, do cut, do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that, oh, that shit. Dude, you take that bad boy, speed it up or slow it way down. And I'm, or do, do, do cut, do cut, do cut, do. Yeah, listen. Yeah. All the duticas I'm with. No, I'm with you. I'm with you there, 100%.

Yeah. Regitone just needs double bass, maybe. Yeah. Let's work on that. Yeah, I hear it. Hard. Yeah, I hear it. Little flamenco.

That's the band that you sing it. Yeah, we'll link and build. Yeah. You're the new Daddy Yankee. Daddy Yankee with double bass is Isaac. Hard Lord presents regatone with double bass. By Phantom Lords. Yes, by Phantom Lords.

Presented by Nuffalo. Presented by Nuffis. Yeah. Good shit, man. A slip by Joint. So how long was Knock Luce a band before? you guys were kind of seeing a change of the tide. Oh, I have another great story, too.

Don't let me forget. The first time we met. Oh, yes. Yeah, so sorry. Yeah, so we started in 20. So me and the guys were jamming in multiple iterations for years, and that was like 2012, 2011. Jesus Christ.

And I was like a kid, like middle school, eighth grade, but they were all older. middle school eighth grade like and then we played our first show in 2014 even though we were jamming for years before that you had to figure yourself out

and none of the songs like those songs aren't even what we ended up releasing like we spent a whole year doing nothing and it wasn't until 2015 when we actually got the like the sound and everything 2014 released the record 2015 started touring I asked my parents

I only needed like one credit left to tour and I was like hey like you guys knows what I'm trying to do I've been trying to do it since I was a kid like can I just finish online and just go do it and they were like yeah wow so then we just had this dude that just like booked us for a straight year and we did I think we did 10 tours in 2015 and they were like the same areas yeah yeah we played you were kind of famous for doing We would do the same thing. Midwest. We would do like northeast and we would do we hit all the spots and it would get to the point where it's like I remember when we played like White Oak and Van Nuys. We played White Oak and the flyer for our next White Oak show was on the wall. And we were like, hey, like if you guys like this over there, we're coming back. It's crazy. It's crazy to me that like White Oak is your is Knocked loose's era because it was like.

It was. White Oak was not around long. It was a goaded. It was incredible. And that feels like days ago. But in reality, that was two records ago for God's hate. That was about 10,000 cap ago for knocked loose. Yeah.

And like, but we didn't start. It was like all that touring and shit. Who saw something in you and was like, hey, we're going to figure this out. We're going to make it happen in a way that you do not know. You mean like who in the band was like there? Or who outside? What clicked somewhere? Yeah, was it pure noise?

Jake Z. Jake Zimmerman, you know, who books us in the States of this day. Us as well. Was the first guy to be like, yo, this band's pretty sick. He used to book like Long Island Fest. Yeah. And he booked that thing called Mix Tate Fest and he put us on it. So we worked with him first.

And then Pure Noise got involved right after that, 2016. And then we went no manager for like years. Yeah. And kind of a terrible idea. Because we stressed ourselves out. The bigger you get, the more you need one. Yeah, poor Paxton was trying to fucking handle it himself. And my God.

The first time we met, we hadn't met. And we were doing, it was every time I die, knocked loose, harm's way, eternal sleep. Us and Sleep had tour together, we're boys. We're also always going to be sharing dressing rooms kind of a thing because of the two over this right. The story. Yeah.

We were told, also Travis from Eternal Sleep is like, obsessed with tone always brings two full stacks. Four piece band, two full stacks, okay? Maniac. Yeah, maniac style. And we were told through a game of telephone. No one from them, through a game of telephone, that knocked loose is insistent on playing on their own cab.

So that means the back line is, every time I die, knock loose, and then the full stacks, which means harm's way is playing on a square foot of stage. at some shows and we're pissed. We think, and I love you, we think that they're being kind of prima donnas, because at this time you guys were popular and we assumed wrongfully.

And we own up to this to this day, everyone does. And they show up in Brooklyn the first day of the tour where we're all together and us and sleep are like, all right, we're going to give them the business. We're going to tell them like, hey, you need to use these cabs or you need to talk to every time I die and use their caps because otherwise blah, blah, blah. I think it was you.

It may have been pack. I don't remember exactly who talked to who. But someone from Noculus was literally like... Nobody could say anything. They were like, hey, so the cap football on, and they were like, oh, we would love to not use our caps. We would love to not load... Because who the fuck would.

Who wants to load cabs out of a trailer? Dude, cabs are a lie. It's amazing to think if we were like that. Can you imagine? Our own cabs is like, nobody thinks. The curtain of... like, oh, we might have a problem, went and we immediately

were fine. Oh, we're scumbags for even thinking that way we did. We apologize night of. Because we were children. Yeah, yeah. When I met him, he was 19. Yeah, I was a child. I don't want to load in that cat. And he's in the pit for Harmswell all the time. Yeah, and yeah, and then later that tour he's

getting me in trouble for Moshing Too Hard to Fantasy. See? You still played fantasy on that? We made them do it for one day. You know, maybe. It's one of those ones we can throw win but it's also a song that people only want to hear the intro more there's a hard intro it's funny because there's another hilarious story about that show about that night with brian and james brian i'll tell this real quick please do brian so we we headlined ldb and then

drove straight to brooklyn so it was like finished got out of the got out of the fucking venue ldb venue like one a m then straight home straight overnight drive to Brooklyn. We don't end up getting to Brooklyn like after doors. After doors. So we're freaking out. Obviously it's New York so there's no parking anything. So we pull up in the middle of the road and Brian's just trying to get

in the door. And I can just picture and be like he's got no laminar. Yeah, he's like this is long hair Brian too. Long hair smoker Brian. So so Brian goes up to the front you know there's this big security guard. You're going to love it. Yeah, this big security security guard. He's a fucking huge as security guard

and Brian's trying to tell him like, yo, I'm on the tour. Like, what the, like, I need to get in here. Like, please, we need to get our lamines. We need to load in, whatever. And James just happens to be passing by. And this security guard doesn't believe Brian because he's just some, like, scrawny guy that hopped

out of a van. And then and he sees that James has a laminate. And so he's like, yo, like he grabs James and he's like, yo, do you, like, this dude says he's on the tour like do you do you know if this guy's on the tour and james looks him up and down and was just like i've never seen this kid in my life no way yeah and then walks in the door and brian's just like what day of tour is this the first first one yeah we we had not

met yet we're having that's why it's funny while this is happening we're having the conversation about the cabs upstairs yeah and james will not lie oh james is amazing James is on his stave and he's telling the security guard because he doesn't want to get in trouble first day tour blah blah blah I don't know that kid I thought that you were going to I thought that you were going to tell the story of me moshing to harm's way at barbecue fest 2013 and taking a picture where was barbecue fest louisle owensboro outside of louisville ohensboro kentucky and i had to that's owensboro yeah dude that's different excuse me uh and i had to take a picture with one of my favorite

singers. It's a carnival. James It's a, it's a carnival. You know, a fair. Sure. There's a, there's a flat, yeah, there's a flat bed. James and I ate fried Oreas. This is pre-nocholus. This is, oh, okay.

I was a child, child. There's a flatbed that bands set up on. Okay. Harms Way plays. There's dirt in the air. He's moshing. It was actually a good set. It was a great show. It was night time, so it was cool, you know.

Ringworm headlined. Oh, is that tour? Yes. No, no, no. Oh, wait, pre. Ringworm headlines. Oh, that's cool. With the Confederate drums.

Oh. They were there. Dude, that's an infamous drum set. I remember that ringworm set very well because they were playing some new shit. Yeah. Like the first couple songs were new. And everyone's just kind of standing there and Furnish just goes, you guys waiting for mosh parts?

And everyone just goes, yeah. Yeah. And then they play. And then they play like, birth is paying. Yeah. I'm fucking. So, Isaac met James and took a picture. Wow.

And 2014? Plant the picture here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Picture here. I'll get it to you. 2014, maybe? Yes. Around there.

No, 13. 13. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 13. Yes. You're absolutely right. And in 2019, we did a collaborative shirt.

that says yeah baby it says become a James and it has their picture on the back it says knock loose in our logo fantastic fantastic shirt over how many those did you print

not not many not many one like maybe like 50 flew off the show it's so funny because it doesn't it's not like people can really tell it's me so I think about it it all the time I was just like who's this guy

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You know what's good for you. You had long hair for a long time, right? I did have long hair for a long time. Are you voluntary skin hair or involuntary? So it started going, but I wanted it gone anyway. I hate hair. Let me see your head. It's beautiful.

Look at that. That is a great, beautiful, bald head. It's iconic. It's iconic. It's cool. It's like a different, you got to act different on stage, though, when you got the shaved hair. The hair is a prop. Because I used to be like windmill crazy guy,

And now that I'm bald, and I just try to scare people. Well, I mean, Sean Martin has taught us very well that a bald guy can headbang harder than anybody. Yeah, don't, yeah, don't fuck with me. I did the Zach Wilde yesterday. The like side to side hair thing. Dude, I hate that head bang. You hate it? Love Zach Wild.

It felt good. A lot. I'm not going to lie because it's not this. You know what's great? So I got the spike strap for dead body. I can't go to the side or I'm dead. You know what you should get for dead body? The bullet strap.

That's what I got. So the bullets are cool. I like the, I love the bullet belts and everything, but they're down. The spikes are up. That's more of a statement. It's kind of dope for sure.

Yeah, who's doing that. Yeah. Other than the guy's band who makes them. You are the first person I've ever met to have a spike strap. I'm the second that I've met. So this is good. Yeah, barbecue fest.

That happened. Good shit. We got paid. Well, it was good. Dude, Barbecue Fest is some lore. James was doing merch in a field with a flashlight. Oh, classic. Like, it was just...

Yeah, they never thought. They didn't think about that. No, they didn't think... They literally... It was so funny that they were just like... Oh, eventually it's going to be night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the sun goes away.

It was crazy. Are you going to live in Louisville for the rest of your life? I... It would take a lot for me to not. Yeah. I just bought a house there. Oh, yeah. Congrats.

Pax on, yeah. Appreciate it. Can't wait to be in it. Oh, you can, it's one of those? I bought, well, I bought it

and then left for tour for four months. So that's the thing. Brian moved, moved here. Yes. We hung out constantly for about a week.

And then he left for, he left for war. He left his wife behind me. Yes. Took his lover with him. Yes. Taylor. So whenever I can have him back,

I'm looking forward to that. But they spent an astonishingly small amount of time in their Los Angeles apartment. Yeah. It's very sad. It's fucking crazy. I barely saw him.

We were, it was like, he and I had this grand plan where it was like, you know, we're going to hang out. We're going to get to know each other. We're going to have a great time. We, sparks flu. Yeah. He met Zoe, my dog.

Despite his, loved him. His kind of sometimes gruff exterior, he's a sweetheart. Oh, you all are. That's my favorite thing about not loose. Is there a scene? Yeah. Brian says all the time, he's like, are we the hardest not hard band?

I think Like musically Like honestly Maybe that's Because no one in knock loose is scary Maybe we're Kindred in that way Minus James

James is scary if you don't know He's an intimidating guy The rest of us And then when you know him Yeah and he's a goofball At this point It's like you and tsunami Are kind of doing the like

Except they mosh I was gonna say man Theo's got me in the face A couple times Speaking of which you went straight And I want I want this to be said You went from inclination

straight to the disgrace pit today. Yeah. I really respected that. I went straight from the knock loose four-month tour. Saw Madball the next day. Yeah. And I'm here three days later. And that's something, and that speaks to the authenticity of you as a musician and a showgoer.

And there's a couple guys and a couple bands that go out of their way constantly. you Brian your whole camp when a new band comes out or a like you guys know at this point hey me posting this album is a beneficial thing an actual influencer it's it helps and a lot of people in the positions that you're in don't use that yeah so i you know we appreciate that we have the community of of people that start new bands once a year well we love that we appreciate the community Hey. Like, to me, it's like, this is what I came from. So it's like, whether it's like, whether it's building a tour or like posting a record or like, it's funny.

Like some people will say that stuff to me like, like, for example, like me moshing to disgrace. They'd be like, dude, it's so cool that you, like you, Isaac of Knuckles were moshing to disgrace when to me it's like, dude. The best band ever is. I've been thinking about seeing disgrace again for like seven years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, I'm such a fan of the music stuff. And I think it's interesting that, and I'm trying to word this diplomatically because I don't want to, but you lived it. So I know you know it.

You were not embraced as a band. Knock loose was not embraced by a certain scene with the- You had the grind for it. And then at one point it was just like, all right, fuck it. There's still some people that aren't down. Absolutely there is. And that's cool. But one thing I can tell you personally is like once that, every time I'd I tour happened, like,

we went full team knocked loose. Like as a band. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like our band loves you guys. Not even music. It's just like as people, we know you're fucking real. And this isn't even, this isn't even me like sucking off knock loose.

Yeah. But it's like we do tend, that does tend to happen. Yeah. It does. Band X is like real not down. Just take, I guess we're going on to where we're. them. Yeah. And then we tour and then it's crazy is that it goes deeper than that

that used to happen to me. And because me and my parents' house, I was the house that housed bands when they played spinet. Because I was at Spinelli sometimes three or four times a week, just seeing shows. And then like ex-hardcore band would be there. And then

they'd be like, hey, can we stay anywhere? And then people would be like, oh, you should stay at Isaac from Knox Luce's house. And they'd be like Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. And then. Because they've tweeted some not things? Yeah, or whatever. And then they'd stay and they'd be like oh, they'd be, oh, you like

like hardcore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, yeah. And it's the same with bands. Like, there'll be bands that were like, you know, like, oh, I just didn't know if you guys were like dope or not. But then it's like, oh, dude, we're just like guys. Do you ever get accused to be in like industry plants? Never got an industry plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never got an industry.

That would be crazy. There's physical proof that they are. I know, but people are stupid. Which industry, you know? The corn industry? I'm going to start telling people that we are. I'd be like, yeah. I actually didn't.

What's Louisville's biggest export? I still don't. Knock loose. Jack Harlow. No, no, no, like food. KFC. Oh, KFC. And Papa Johns.

Tell people that KFC planted you. Yeah. No. They made the KFC P&5. I still don't. You met at the YUM Center. Yeah, I'd be like, I've actually never, it's all tracks. I've never played my guitar.

That's cool. Fuck, I had something, but I lost it. Oh, no, but like, they just, the last time I saw him, they had just, they were getting ready to play fucking Red Rocks. Yeah, that's crazy. So, like, we did do that. We're saying, you're on some Primus shit now.

Yeah, yeah, good for you. Yeah. How was Red Rocks? It's a seated venue, which is a little weird. The act of playing it is awesome, because you're there. Well, the buildup is awesome. You're like, God, like, there's that big ass rock.

And you know, and you're just like, holy fuck. Like, there's so much going on. It's so big, like prestigious, whatever. But you are playing to a seated venue. Yeah. You know. So, hell of a merch cut. And here, I had straight merch cut for two months because it was vendor sell.

Yeah, because you can't do anything. And so what's funny about red rocks is the incline. Criminals. The incline of Red Rocks is crazy. So you're really only looking. it like the front three people and then every once in a while you'll look up and be like oh there's 900 more people we're fucking definite definite bucket list shit though yeah it was great yeah it was fantastic what's uh what's your what's your what's your mount rushmore you know yeah what's the

what of the big four where you were like okay this is who isac is musically in here this is who i want to be of my era yeah this is like not i'm not talking like the Master Killers and all that stuff. This is so hard for me to say because I like everything. You really do. But like as far I literally like everything.

As far as bands that were important Yeah. Like for me growing up it was probably Midwest bands and bands like Chicago bands like I remember weekend nachos was really important for me growing up because I was just like oh it's like fast hardcore shit

with a crazy breakdown and they tuned to drop fuck? What could I? What could I? You know, Harm's Way was huge for me growing up. Like, all that, you know, all that like, there's so much, though. I was into so much. Fucking your band. Oh, stop it. It's fucking great.

Can I tell a twitching tongues related? Of course. My dad, massive twitching tongues fan, was at the gig. Papa Hail? Papa Hail, massive Twitching Tongues fan. I showed it because I was, I was, I went, me and my dad to listen music together. So he'll show me like old metal stuff.

And then I'll be like, hey, there's this hardcore band that sounds like that. My dad showed me who Power Trip was. Wow. Wow. But Switching Tungs is playing that Nelligan Hall show. Is that the Hey Breed one? No. It was the fuck.

It was the disgrace one. Nelligan Hall, Louisville, Twitching Tungs Disgrace, 2015 or 14. Something like that. My dad's up front for a preacher man. and he's like Dude, it's coming to me Yeah, he straight up got like

knocked over Oh wow And people were like Because he's in a wheelchair My dad's in a wheelchair And but he's like He got knocked over And people were like

Oh, he's okay And he's like no I want to be here You know what's crazy Yeah I'm pretty sure after that set We were in the back And we were like Yo

The fucking guy in the wheelchair Like all the words To Preacher Man Dude Yeah Like that's that just vividly struck me back. Wow. That was old dad. He's down, brother.

He's down. I love that. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Papa Hale show. I told you this, but you'll like this because it's similar. My mom bought a twitching tongue shirt on eBay. Yeah. And Leo, the old guitar player, sold it. Amazing. Amazing.

Another crazy Papa Hale story. Yeah. You know, fucking Tripticon. It's like one of his favorite band. Really? Yeah. He knows that Harmsway is ripped off triptocon. He's literally been like,

the sounds like that part. And I'll be like, God, you're saying. Boom, boom, boom, down. Too bad to keep his fucking mouse for,

all those boom, bow, bow, bow, those are, that's Tom G, brother. He knows what he's doing. Well, we're at minute 40 here.

Yeah. This is supposed to be a mini, you know? Is there anything? Well, we talked about Cheesecake Factory. What else? What else?

else after 5 p.m. are you into eating when noctly's is on tour or inclination? We call it the Golden Arch's question. Okay. What's your favorite fast food place? A place that you would gladly pull over to eat at. Cains. It's probably Cainee is. Probably the first Cainiac.

Yeah, yeah. I'm an O.G. Keynes guy. I've thought about this question before. There's a couple answers, but Cains is probably the biggest. I could have bet on that. I'm like still, I'm still like, as far as stuff that's immediately available actually.

Yeah. I like, I'm still, for some reason I still like Taco Bell, as in like I never fell out. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it never got that. Real ones were loyal. It always. Those one, those still loyal. Yeah. But like, I could talk about it forever. Yeah. We could have

a whole food conversation. But Kane, we often do. Canes, I'm a Caniag. Okay. For sure. Those are probably the two most popular answers. It's like, Taco Bell McDonald's. McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm a McDonald's.

I'm like a purveyor. I'm so passionate about European McDonald's. Oh, it's great. It's insane. It's the one thing they do right. When I asked, Brian privately, it told me that McDonald's is his answer to the golden. Yes. That it's like, yeah, I'll go to McDonald's.

Chili cheese McDouble, buddy. Chili cheese McDonald's? Chili cheese McDouble? What are you? In Europe? Yes. Okay. Do you guys, wait, are you not privy to this?

I'm not privy. I haven't been there in a minute. Germany. Chile? cheese McDouble. They also have a breakfast sandwich with the hash browns on it. He would never know. He'll never be eating it. I'm just saying, I will get it just at a different

time of the day. The fact that we don't have it here is shocking to me. They have a breakfast sandwich with that wild hash brown. I mean, so I do not eat McDonald's in the States. Really? Yeah, I don't do it. I don't, I haven't in a long time. We're going to be all right.

And I know that I'm breaking your hearts right now. But I haven't, to be honest, I don't eat that much fast food in the States. on tour? No. Really? What do you mean? I'm look up the spot. The spot. Yeah. Well, you're now you get to tour places that have a spot. Yeah. But that was not always the case.

Well, even if I, even if there's not a sick spot, yeah. Like, I'm usually over fast food, I'm usually taking like, okay, there's Indian. Like, let's do it. Or like, oh, there's Chinese. Were you like that when Knox Flues was like really grinding before? Oh, no. I used to be. I used to be. I used to. to be, I used to just eat mac and cheese all day. Oh, I'm with you there.

Just go to KFC and just get just a small mac and cheese, please. It's been a minute since I've had KFC. I'll get two large mac and cheese. I can wait another minute until I have kids. It's been a few years. Popeye's all day, dude. Popeye's spicy chicken sandwich.

I see, I like the, I like the regular chicken sandwich because it's a rare answer. I prefer the normal mayo versus the spicy mayo. Interesting. Of course. The last question. Yeah. When you're playing guitar on stage.

who do you do? Who do I do? Yeah. Who are you doing? For example. Actually, I don't want to put a name in his head because we share something. Who do you do? It's the singer of Musuga, because I'm bald.

It's where I get all my face stuff. Got it from? Because he's on some like that. You got to work with what you got there. And then corn is probably the biggest one. Corn is the biggest one for me. I will say that. Well, like, Nico moves now.

Dude, Nico. Nico moves, and you moves. He moves a lot. And Brian moves. There's kicks, there's jumps. There's spins. Yeah. Love a spin.

It's a young man's game. I like scaring people on the stage is my favorite thing. And now that we play, we play it in Normies sometimes. You can really, they're, like, actually already kind of afraid. And so you can really freak him out if you do some, like, crazy shit. Yeah. But I respect a band. Like, you guys don't have to.

you guys are at a point now where you can stand and play and do your thing and get off stage you're going to sell merch you're going to do good i respect the fact that you go off man it's a cool why would you not i could scare someone yeah that's awesome it's like the coolest it's a thing ever that's a great way like people people liking it is one thing but people being like dude i was i'm uncomfortable oh that's huge fucking amazing that makes them go home and listen to it like this is the part that scared me listen yeah i can look at at a guy I mean I got into hardcore because I was afraid I mean I saw like a cruel hand set and I was like I'm very it was like it was it was those were scary yeah yeah so it was like the fact that I could like anyone could be front row and like

look at a KL show and be like this I don't know like that's full circle that's cool yeah probably Mishuga and corn that's crazy they probably play together at some point yeah in some capacities a fest just any bald guy that you've That's what I do. I do. I just, I'm bald. I'm going to do the outro too.

Outro me. This has been lovely. Thank you so much for talking to us. Thank you. Thank you so much. Do you have anything? We don't really know when these are going to come out. So in a general sense,

do you have anything coming up in 2023? Yes, inclination is playing some shows because K.L.'s taking some time off. But look forward to me, footage of me moving into my house that I bought like six months ago. Excellent. You're going to live stream the whole event? Yeah, can't wait.

Awesome. Can't wait to see it. Well, that about does it. We're going to all go and watch terror now. Yep. Hit the pit. This has been Mini Hardlore from For the Children Fest. Thank you so much.

Mini Maxi Hardlore. Mini Maxi, yeah. This one's a medium. Yeah. Don't know. It's just medium is what it is. This is maybe a... Maybe.

I'll put the audio up for this one too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see. Double did. But we'll do it again some time and we can get real into food. Listen, I'll all talk. You guys can talk about fashion. We do both like a thing

You're both threadheads for sure We like a thing Anyway we're gonna sign off now Thank you so much for watching Bye