HardLore - Jake Collinson (Judiciary)

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

Colin and Bo sit down with Judiciary frontman Jake Collinson to discuss growing up in a smaller city in the Texas hardcore scope, grinding from local band to international touring act, putting out their now second album with Closed Casket Activities and detail his entire hardcore origin story. The new Judiciary album "Flesh + Blood" is out March 10th on Closed Casket, you can pre-order it now. Follow Jake: @jaketxryan Follow Judiciary: @JudiciaryTX Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod Join WHATNOT with our special little link to get $15 off your first purchase. Get ready for the first ever Hardlore live auction at the end of February: https://www.whatnot.com/invite/hardlore FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Find all our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Before we start, this is kind of hard for. You're going to see a band-aid around my finger today. This is my first ever wiping injury. Get a load of this. I don't know if I want to start the episode with this, so I'm just going to say it now. I have a bitet, a tushy bidet, right? It's got the bamboo knobs.

Okay. I guess I came in a little hot when turning it on. Okay. a piece of bamboo about this long went to the back of my fingernail. I damn near cried on the shitter. Ass on the seat.

Still wet from from, but they might have been even on for a few extra seconds. I was sitting there on fire, dying. Oh. You were just so excited to get that cool release. It was over.

I was done. It was like a saw. trap. Dude, Tushy, if you're listening, the bamboo's got to go. You damn near killed me today. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing a lot better than your finger. You sure are. Now you can. It's staying in. This is a very special episode for many reasons. We have a friend of the show as a guest, closed casket, fellow alumni, Jake Collinson from Judiciary. Texas hardcore he's from Lubbock

the only hardcore band from Lubbock ever Jake welcome thank you guys for fucking having me I didn't know you were from Lubbock unfortunately but

yeah no it's yeah we're I'm born and raised in Lubbock the original four of us are all from there so you guys you guys have both been there I don't know if you remember it oh I remember it will really yeah what do you What do you remember about it?

I remember the venue very well. I remember a waitress. It was the pool hall. Yeah. Jakes is a venue. Jake's pool hall. Are you any relation? I had a nickel brother.

All right. All right. I remember somebody that worked a white girl with like crazy dreads that worked there. That checks out. You know? No, but there's probably a. like 300 of them. That was Jake.

That's weird. I wouldn't expect that from Lovick. Loveick is very odd. Like, I mean, it's just an odd place. And like a bunch of people I find are very in touch with their spiritual side, which also comes into white person with dreadlock territory. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

We played there with on the Every Time I Die Tour. And it was like one of the only shot shows. Just because like that room is big. Like, yeah. It's hard to fill for anyone, especially in, like, West. That's for veil of Maya and upon a burning body. That ain't for us, you know? But every time I die finished and someone from the band said in the mic, like,

thank you Lubbock, putting you on the fucking list. Ooh. I was at that show. I was like one of two people marching to harm's way. Yeah, that sounds about right. I just remember smelling like cigarettes for like a week, because they're smoking indoors there. Unless you request it without.

That's the only thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was gnarly. What were, what were like the marquee tours that came through Lubbock when you were a young lad where you were like, damn, this is this is what I want to be doing? So here's the thing is like Lubbock for like metal core and stuff like that, especially when I was in like middle school and high school, like was decently solid. It wasn't anything like Dallas or San Antonio.

or anything like that. But when I was like a fucking wee little lad, I saw Asa'alli dying a few times. That was like a huge thing for me. Before my time, Kyle, who plays bass in judiciary, told me about a show that he went to that was like hate breed, agnostic front. Somebody else, I can't remember who.

Like, we would get random really, really cool shit. shit every now and then. But like other than that, like when I was in middle school, high school, it was a bunch of like death core and metal core bands. So your, your Vala Maya statement stands. I would say they're coming. Dude, Vail of Maya was my first like heavy show I ever went.

See? Easy to 50. Yeah, you read that fan's game. Well, so they opened that one. It was bleeding through unearthed. The Devil Wars Prada and Vail of Maya. And I was like 12 years old. You were hitting that fucking pit. Scratch and clawing.

I was wearing a fucking, I was wearing a little fucking tightest black shirt I could. Tightest black jeans I could find. I staged dough for a first time and made sure my dad filmed it. No. Didn't we all? Yeah. If it wasn't that, it was Myra Jihari.

Dude, freshman year, my like daily, like daily, I would wear loose brown dickies. I'm wearing brown jeans. right now. There you go. And a black, like the size youth large throwdown shirt. Like the smallest possible shirt. Were you ever a youth large, Jake? You don't strike me as a youth large fellow.

When I was a large, when I was a large youth. Yeah. But like. Since then. I jumped into like adult smalls when I was probably like 12, I think. And then, but that was still like, I was a fucking compacted sausage.

Sure. So. Making the realization that like a looser shirt feels better was. It's revolutionary. When I figured, dude, when I discovered size large, dude. And then when I got when I, when I stepped up to Excel, that was like. I'm an XL with long sleeves or hoodie. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm a size large with T-shirts. But I got, I got boxes full of mediums. I hung on to mediums way too long. Like all of my twitching shirts are mediums. Oh, dude, brutal. It sucks. It's interesting.

I mean, I still have this realization sometimes, like lately, that if you just buy things a little bigger sometimes, it just fits you. Yeah. And you don't have to be, you don't have to be uncomfortable in clothes. But also, sometimes when you're like,

I hate that brand, it's really because, you know. Yeah. Gilden sucks. Yeah. Well. Dude, especially buying, like,

vintage shirts. And you're trying to joke. justify like a 22 pit to pit. Dude, I was just going to say, I can say it. Do a 21 pit to pit to pit. 21. No. You see 22 is where I draw a line.

22, 28. I look at that and I go, that's, that's my minimum. Yeah. I'm going, my, my sweet spot is like a 23.5. 29. Yeah. That's like. See, if I see that.

You can't stop me from bid. Yeah. Yeah. You won't beat me. I literally just bought another. sepultero shirt because of those measurements. Dude, I discovered, this is poignant. I discovered a method of stretching out shirts where it lasts because I bought that

slap shot shirt that I like love, but when I got it, it was a bit too small. Wash it, you hand wash it. It's lengthy. You hand wash it with like conditioner and then just do like a light stretch mode and then you rinse it with baking soda in the water and then you just like rinse it and rinse it and it and then you can't dry it you have to like hang dry but he i mean it's like a fully normal shirt for me now lately i've been into this the this method you know this one what's that you put the shirt on with your arms on your sides oh like like a hot dog oh yeah

yeah that's the only it's like that's how you don't eat because if you do this yeah you're getting the tug marks but arms at your sides the whole thing is evenly distributing Give it a shot. See, I got like a portly gut. I got like a real healthy power belly going on. I'm with you. So I have to fucking like I used to just tug and tug and it looks like a fucking dog nipples. And like I saw this big dude on TikTok.

He does a rolling out of pizza dough method. Yeah. Because you go under your shirt and just kind of like speedbag it really slow. And you don't do it too hard because then it will stretch out the neck. but it'll get the stretch without a tug mark. So that's been my shit recently. I'll give it a whirl. I got some small shirts up there.

Try it out, brother. Speaking of which, Jake, that reminds me of a Euro compliment that you got that I really, that resonated with me. I like. Is my favorite. Could you give it to me verbatim? So. Tell me the backstory as well. So we were on tour with Bamakara.

It was our second time in Europe. We played Return to Strzumann. Strength Festival. Classic. In Quirfurt, Germany. Yeah. Quaffelt. That was French.

Never mind. I believe we played the first return to strength. And it's cool to see that they're still going and it's still badass. Yeah. I think that they just announced, like last week. And I think I saw that Amakara is playing it again and Simulacchers playing, which is cool. But yeah, we played that as our first time playing that fest, tent in the field, a bunch of, bunch of smaller tents with German.

in them. They're having a great time. Of course. So we show up. We have a really fucking good set. There's a video online somewhere. But our set was fucking unbelievable. One of the best Germany sets

we've ever had. And so I go to like the merch tent and I'm just drinking water and I think I'm talking to Xavier and this guy comes up and he's like I'm going to do the accent.

I don't fucking care. They're white. It's not offensive. You have my permission as a full German. It's all good. Thank you. Thank you both. So I'm talking to Xavier and this guy comes up to me and goes,

excuse me, I would like to ask about your workouts. And I was like, my workouts? Like, what do I do in the gym? Oh, yes. I really like your body.

You know, a big strong body. I was like, oh, thanks, man. Amazing start, you know? Yeah, yeah, like super complimentary. And so I was about to be like, yeah, fucking new bodybuilding shit, but I don't really eat that great.

And so like I started talking to that and then he just interrupts me in the middle of it. He goes, yes, I really like your body. You have these big arms. And he's touching me, by the way, when he's after this, he's like pointing at them. He's like, you have these big arms, big shoulder and these big breast. but you also have this big, big belly. He was like, oh, it's nice. It's natural.

I like it. And then he talked to me for like 10 minutes after that about how much he hated the band Guilt Trip, which was the first band we went on tour with over there. He was like, oh, it sounds like he's whining and so he's a microphone. I don't like it. And then he talks shit about them for a little bit.

And then he's like, okay, I'm going to school. watch desolated. Can I have hug? And I was like, that's like, sure, dude, whatever. I give him a hug and then he just runs into the darkness while they were desolace. I don't know. I don't know if he was real.

I hope he's one. No, he was real 100%. Was he an apparition? He just appeared. It's a manifestation of he was a family. He was in a family of 10 twin brothers and I've met them all, I'm sure. And they all have ruined my life in someone. way.

Hans, Franz, Sons, cons and Lons. Lons. Yeah. Brutal. Yeah. We stayed in Vienna one time. I haven't told the story before. I don't remember even what tour it was, but we stayed in Vienna.

Peter was with us and insisted on sleeping on hardwood floor with nothing. Like no pillow, no sleeping bag, just. And I think it was my friend and her. her boyfriend, their place in Vienna, like really near the venue. And we liked exploring Vienna. So we wanted to stay, whatever. Ween. It was, huh?

Harm's why loves exploring ween. We love wean. And in the middle of the night, she came out, she was like, my boyfriend is really sick. Like, do you guys, like, are any of you, like, at all met? And we were like, no, we're not, no, we're not doctors. Do you know what to do? And we were like, take. he had a he was she was like his head really hurts i don't know what you call it and we were like

well take medicine or whatever they called uh is it aching maybe call fake they called um an ambulance oh damn and dude a i can only describe it because you said hans and that's what triggered this i can only describe it as i just did the thing cullen i rub my eye you did the thing I can only describe it as the entire villain crew from Die Hard One. Like, were the EMTs? Dude, they were, but yeah, dressed up as EMTs with like ponietails and like glasses and stuff. And Sabah even gave him like, he was like, it's up as they like walked in. And this dude, I don't remember his name.

He was like leaving. We're like, you're right, man. He just went. So is his stomach? No. He had a headache. He had a migraine. And he went to the fucking hospital.

He was fine. Free health care must be lit. Must be amazing. You can call the EMT. Call an ambulance. I'm starving. Call an ambulance. Jake, have you been to Europe since then?

Yes. Last time we went to Europe was this past summer and we played the biggest show we've ever fucking played, Hellfest. Oh, dude. Hellfest rocks. Coolest fucking day ever. It was insane. Like everything, like the last.

like the lineup part on our day was cool like hitting the play in front of what like 10,000 people was cool we had friends like the year than I played right before us incendiary was there we were playing shows with terror like it was fucking sick I ran into the war zone stage oh yeah yeah we had a really fucking good set like our reaction our reaction was good

doing a bunch of these it worked like yeah it was fucking sick. I ran into fucking Sam from bolt thrower because Memorial was playing. Yeah, I actually rubbed shoulders with him. He said, sorry, right. And then fucking walked away.

Magical. Catering. Oh, yeah, catering's good. Let me eat around your eye playing. Couldn't fucking catering. What is it like going? Because neither of us have been back. since COVID.

It's been a while. Colin's never going back. I'll go. I mean, I'm, nobody's invited me. Probably because of this fucking chill. But,

uh, what, how is the process any different getting in post-COVID? Um, is there any more of a headache? I know things are mostly chill and I was in Europe, not too long,

like over a year ago, but like, that's not with a band with like a bunch of shit and like visas and stuff. Yeah. So I don't know if anything's changed since last year when we went. There was, one hand in the ass thing that happened to us that like so we showed up in Austin to fly we were flying to Paris and we showed up at the gate and they're like oh do you have this like really specific form

for like COVID tracking we're like no what are you talking about and they're like oh it should have gotten sent to you go to this website and basically it's like something from the French government that you give like all of your fucking info to yeah yeah and like where you're going, what are you doing here, all the shit. And it like, to stop like when we're literally giving them our bags to check and like we have to still go through TSA security, it's like such a pain in the ass. That was one hiccup. And then they fucking, we were in the middle of all that massive like bag losing shit.

Oh, did you lose yourself? Dude. It was, this was like, okay, so this Europe tour was the best and worst fucking tour that we've ever done over there. Like the shows were finally good, but every other factor was fucked. Well, so we've had really good shows before somehow. Like, I think we just gotten lucky. And like, but we, this time we played like small club shows of terror.

So like that was cool. And then like we played really big. We played like EPR Fest. We played Hellfest. So like it was a good, good run. But we showed up in Paris on the first day waiting for fucking baggage claim. And that was in the middle of like, oh, Thetrow has like mountains of badge fucking everywhere.

And like we heard other bands like I think Sue Space Cowboy lost a bunch of shit. Dead Heat lost everything. Yeah, dead heat lost everything. And we showed up and my bag was missing. My personal bag was missing. Kyle's personal bag was missing. Juan's personal bag was missing. Because Juan was filling in for Israel because he was a gate creeper over there.

Right, right. And then Kyle's base was missing because they made him gate check it. Well, yeah. Because we had a connection in Heathrow. And then what else was? Oh, we had a fucking giant box of like, we had some leftover merch that we were bringing over. And our banner and records. Like 150 records in that box, which like you guys know.

How long have you got them back? a month after we got back to the state. Oh, fuck. So you didn't have your personal back? No. For the whole tour? I lived at, I had one change of clothes in that backpack and I had another pair of shoes because I was

like, just in case my bag gets lost, I don't think it's going to get lost. And then it got lost. So I had like one extra pair of underwear, an extra pair of socks, an extra pair of shoes and one extra outfit. And then for some miracle, I put my show shirt in my backpack. Wow. So that was huge. So did you have your toiletries in your backpack?

No. Oh, no. That is the one thing I had actually. Okay. Because I had, I had, why did I bring it? There was, oh, I was on like an asthma medication at the time. I had asthma and I was trying out a new one.

And I was like, I don't want this to get lost. Thanks not for asthma, huh? This is like signs. This is the plot of signs. Yeah, straight up. You're having asthma. No poison got in his lungs were close. That's right.

I like to think of it more as the sister from Hereditary. But like, and then I landed in Europe and my fucking head gets knocked off. Okay. So true. Yeah. But so. Well, thank God it's like really easy to do laundry there. Yeah.

Dude. Okay. So after I finished this, remind me of the laundry thing. All right. We'll do. So we had to just like buy shit. Like I went to H&M, but like the worst. shapiest underwear I've ever fucking worn in my life.

And then like, what else? Like, I had to buy like socks. I had, I bought like just blank fucking H&M shirts and like finding like Euro. American Excel is Euro 2X. Finding a Euro 2X in fucking France. Where the hell do they sell those? Yeah. So it was a nightmare.

But like we, me, Kyle and Juan were fucking miserable, but we made it through it. And to cap that off, I had me and Kyle went to Barcelona for like three days after the tour was over just to like chill. So like even when I was like trying to chill, I still smelled like a fucking Mercedes sprinter. Of course. It sucks. Yeah. Dude. So we played a fucking terror club show.

And three drunk Germans came up. And one of them, they were haggling me on. price as they as they love to do and uh while we were haggling on the price one of the germans spilled a fucking beer on the display merch and i was like well now it's double like yeah yeah yeah like you got to pay for that one too yeah and uh the guy was like no i'm not going to do that like i i just spent like 40 bucks over a tear and i was like i don't care and then uh eat while we're arguing he goes, you can just wash that shirt. Where?

How? Yeah, and if I wash it, where am I going to dry it? Yeah, I'll pick it up in three fucking business days when it's dry. Take it to the fucking river water mill and scrub it with some. I think that's what I said. With a fucking hammer. How do they dry clothes? Bo, tell me.

He fights me. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing there. I don't know. There's no excuse. There's no screens. There's no air conditioning. There's no fucking dryers.

Dude. Holy shit. The no air conditioning this last time, especially because of my luggage problem. Ooh. Dude, every shirt I had was fucking sweaty. I wanted to fucking kill myself.

But the tour was good. The shows are good. The people were good. The shows were good. The people were good. The reactions were good. Like, I had a good time.

Big belly was good. Dude, it was full of like gas station sausages. It was, yeah. Dude, and then me and Kyle went to Barcelona and had like a fantastic time. Like, honestly. Never been. I think it, it's my favorite city now. Wow.

Yeah. Dude, we showed up. We were so fucking exhausted from tour. We showed up, put our bags at the hotel, and then we reserved a table at this place to get paella. and we were like, we thought it was a topless place that also served paella. So we ordered like a fucking smorgasbord.

Like a paella for two. And then like this appetizer, I ordered a dish of canoloni because I thought it was only going to be one. We ordered like a cold seafood like platter. Every order was family style. Yeah. And we ate it.

We ate it all. And because of course we did. And then we. How skinny were you after? How long was the tour itself? Only like two weeks. It wasn't that bad. Two weeks in Europe, I drop it.

I dropped 20 pounds, easy. Dude, the first week or the first time we went over there, I dropped like 30. And I was also like super sick towards the end. I had a sinus infection and an upper respiratory infection. Perfect. Yeah. You. My appetite, since being sick and having COVID, my appetite is gone.

down a belt notch. Really? I just, I cannot finish a meal anymore. It's really weird. Let me send it over. You know, I got it.

I just send it right. Your way. It's baby bird it. What do you eat anything good over there besides Barcelona? How is my long, my long chicken doing over there? Oh, you know long chicken's doing good. I know.

Yeah. Long chicken's just fine, honestly. I enjoy a good, I enjoy a good donor too. It's all you got. after one of the owner is like take me to fucking get me a big Mac please dude I think that this was the tour that we ate the most McDonald's on which is like

because like the first time you go over there you're like no I want to like taste the fucking I want to be I want to be Remy and Ratatatoui tasting the cheese and the fruit and these cultures and some like that and then after a while you're like give me some fucking McNuggets me like yeah straight up give me a fry but then I went to Barcelona and like it was like heaven and they had air conditioning. That was the best part. Dude, that's, okay. I think that's why it's my favorite city.

We're past this. We've advanced, you know? Yeah. I've been to much poorer countries that all have air conditioning. I know Germany can afford it. Or these cars got them. Do what the car, the BMWs got it. Do it in the house, too.

See, the same thing. Like the first, I think we were. spoiled the first two times we went over there because it was like colder and like so I didn't notice it and then Tours are kind of the move. Yeah. Yeah. Dude.

Well like it was so hot but like the time we went, Israel told us that when Gate Creeper played Hellfest, um, because you know how they have that like mini city backstage where like all the trailers are and like shit like that. Um, he said that in their trailer

the water bottles were like hot to the touch. Like they couldn't, they couldn't drink any water. They were fucking just like even the catering upstairs. Like nobody wanted to be in there because the heat just gets trapped like in there. I think they said it over 100 degrees at day.

You ever go there during like the Euro Cup or the World Cup or something? Yes. We were in Paris when the World Cup was happening. Like don't ever do that. Yeah. It sounds horrible. It was your shows

will suffer so much. Because they go they come to the show and like there's just a TV playing the game while you are playing your set and you'll just see the whole show like the whole your set sucks dick because they have to watch this game

and it's somehow the fucking I feel like one time we went and they were just fucking with us because the routing was like every day we were playing Poland Poland had a match that day playing Germany the next day Germany how to match that day. So nobody gives a fuck about anything else.

It's awesome. I respect it. It's like I'm in the Super Bowl every single. Every day. Did you play a show yesterday, Jake? Two days ago. How was that? Dude, it's fucking rock.

Was that the Washington one? Yeah, just another gig. We played on Friday right for Comeback Kid. And there was a bunch of bands. that I had, like, listened to on our day and the next day that wasn't fucking rock. The band that played for us denial of life was really good. Never listen to them. But, like, our reaction was really good.

We played a couple of new songs and they went over well. Sold some merch. Saw some pals. It was a good fucking time, honestly. Playing a new song in it not being a fart is, like, what a relief. Dude. because this right you guys it's been kind of a long time coming for this record right oh yeah we've been flesh plus blood yeah we've been sitting on it for fucking and yeah you i mean when did you record this

two years ago what the hell so so our original plan for this record we got done with the gate creeper exhumed tour in 29 December of 2019 and we were like oh we don't have another tour till august of next year Let's fucking just hunker down, get to it, all this shit. And then March of 2020 hit, and we couldn't see each other anymore. And we're spread out pretty hard. Like, at the time, I was still living in Lubbock. So me and Israel were in Lubbock. Austin and Kyle are in Austin.

And Jimmy's in fucking Milwaukee. So, like, I mean, Lubbock and Austin itself is a six-hour drive. And then, like, there's... There's like no fucking direct flights from Lubbock, Austin, either for some reason. So you have to. Yeah. It's, it was fun. So, like, we, like the world ended.

And then we basically had to teach or they had to learn, like, Austin had to learn how to program drums. Israel had to learn like a whole recording software. We bought him, like, recording equipment and shit. so he could like pass back and forth demos. Is he the guy? Israel? Like the writer? Yeah.

Kind of a mix for this last record. Kyle was kind of like the creative filter of a bunch of shit. Like he kind of had like the broad vision for everything. He plays guitar too. Like he played guitar for us before he jumped back to bass. He originally played bass. He's got he had the best job now.

Yeah. But he was kind of like the creative filter and he would do things where he would make a riff and then go to Jimmy and Israel and be like, okay, make this better. Like, because you guys are more talented. It's harder than me. And then this is the way. Jimmy and Israel also brought their riffs in. Israel is the lead guy, though.

Like he's any solo, like, melod melody shit, that's all him. So, but like meat and potatoes, like a bunch of it was Kyle. And then Jimmy and Israel jumped in. And then once we all together, we flesh. it out and try to get our opinions to like merge into one cohesive thing. Isn't that like the most stressful time?

Dude. Everyone's like, well, I think too many cooks, man. Yeah, way too many cooks. Sometimes one dude's got the vision and you just got to like hit your wagon to his star. You know what I'm saying, man?

That's the thing too is we were limited on fucking time. So like anytime we would fly Jimmy down for like to Austin for like four days. And then it's like okay, we're practicing all day today, all day tomorrow, all day the next day. And so by the end of it, everybody was fucking brain dead. Yeah. Trying to like get their ideas out.

And then like people have trouble like matching their ideas to other people. And like somebody's like, no, that's not the way I wanted it. And they're like, well, this way's cool. So it's like fucking whole thing. But like, sorry. Oh shit, Mattal cat. fucking going ham. He came in screaming.

My apologies. Oh, you're good. But yeah, it was just fucking mess. And then, like, we recorded in September of 2021. And then mixing took a while because Putney's studio, like, flooded in the middle of it. Jesus Christ. And then we had to let, he had to just basically, like, shove us in whenever he could after that. Were you in Belleville or were you at the new studio?

No, so we recorded with Arthur Rizick in Philly. Oh, but Putney mixed it? Yeah. And like, Arthur was fucking awesome, honestly. Like, he did, like, exactly what we wanted him to. Like, and he's so, like, fucking just calming presence because he's just weed man. Chill for a lot. Dude, he's the chillest.

But then, like, yeah, Putney just, like, it was a, it was hard to get him back because he had so much other shit going. on. And so then we got the mixes back. And then we had to do the art, which is the whole thing. And then we had to do it. Like, it's just like time after time. We just were catching up to ourselves. So yeah, we've been sitting on these songs for a long fucking time. Do you hate them? Or is it just the kind of like, you know how that can be? Or are you like finally? I still love them, honestly. Like all of them. There's nothing on the record that I'm like, nah, we should have fucking cut. We could have done without that. Like I love every song. honestly, which is crazy.

It's not crazy because I mean, you listen to this both the singles so far and it's like objectively such a crazy level up. Like the songwriting is crazy. The riffs are like crazy technical. You sound awesome. The production is big.

No logo on the artwork. You guys hate you guys. How was that an internal debate? Eat you. I knew you were going to say something about it too. I'm just asking. I know, no, no, no, I know. We were all like,

I think we wanted, I think we were pretty uniform and not wanting a logo on the artwork honestly, but then like, you hear that it's like, no, you probably should because of this, I'm the other thing. So then you try it. And then you're like, and some people are like, I actually like that. And then it was a whole fucking thing. like but I I personally like the no logo on the record art thing.

It's that. I mean, I get, I understand it, you know, but this is like we're in a completely digital world. Ice spice can get away with it. They're going to post her no matter what, you know.

I, you're braver than me is really what it comes down to. I get scared because you post a screenshot of it. You go, yo, this shit's crazy. And people are so fucking lazy sometimes that they, that they just see

at artwork with the album and they're like, yeah. See, and that was what I was nervous about because, like, we've had, like, our logo on that EP that we did, the access of equality, like, looks so fucking good,

just on top of that painting. Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. It looks awesome. It's like, the shape is so perfect over that. Yeah, exactly. So it's like,

like part of you is like, I don't know, because, like, that turned out really cool. But then we also got a new logo. And it was like, does a new logo, like,

look all right? with the artwork. Like, I love the new logo. The new artwork. So I see, I understand why. It's very like pretty. Yeah. There's a beautiful photo.

There's two types of media that, like, if you can do them, you can make so much money. It's logo design. Yeah. And fucking, like, album layout. Yeah. If you want to be a hired gun album layout guy and you can like do good. Dude, but that shit is so painstaking. I've done both and kill me.

Like, just because like, and like, I'm very fortunate that people would ask me to do that stuff, but it's just so like the, like, as far as like layout, making sure all the lyrics are uniform, then people catch like misspellings of stuff or like misformatting. And then like logos. It's like, hey, can you bring like this little tick on the A like just down like a little bit? Because I'm that guy. I would be. I would ask the question.

And of course, it's understandable, but you're like, you're like on your fifth edit. And you're just like, that's the thing is like, and that's how typos and shit get through because you've looked at five different versions of this thing. And now you're on the fifth version. And you're like, I don't have the energy to fucking read all this shit again. Yeah. I don't. I just sent just print it. Are there, is there like a band that you got to do art for that still today kind of blows your mind?

I've done some things that I think are really cool. I got to do a shirt for this country band from Lubbett called Flatline Calvary. And I just did like an old school George Strait design type thing for them. I was really fucking stoked on that because it's like a hometown thing. And like it's a world that I've never fucking touched before. Our friend Cahill, Bonji, has asked me to do a couple of things. that were like kind of like full circle

things for me. So like when I was like in middle school I like the band four year strong I got to do like a bunch of their pre-order stuff. I thought that was cool. And then like did you do the judiciary layouts? No. Mr. The master Ridge Ryan himself

did the layouts too. He's he's unbelievable. I can't. He dude he did so much work. He created a custom type base for us. But that we can use, like, from here on out. He's fucking awesome. But, yeah, like, there's been some cool.

So, like, I love doing, like, I did, like, one for Acacia Strain and one for Kuva Khan, like, and those are, like, boys. So, like, I'm glad I got to do those. That's huge. Are you seeing? Sorry. What's up, Bo? It doesn't matter. Go ahead.

Oh, go ahead. I was getting into an Uber last night, and there was a young man who yelled. Beau, friend of the program. It just came to mind. You're all friends of the program. Everybody listening to this. Have you seen, going back to like beginning of judiciary era, you started 2015, 2016. We actually started in 2013.

I graduated high school and we started jamming in the back of, like, so Austin's parents lived, like, out in the country and, like, surrounded by cotton. field so we didn't have to worry about noise. We, me, Israel, and him started jamming in the back of his parents' garage right after I graduated high school. And then we put out our demo in 2014, like early 2014. I didn't know.

I don't even think I knew about this demo. Yeah. It only lives on bank camp. Okay. I think you sent me this demo along with telling me that you worked at Foot Locker and you could get me 10% off or something. That was probably Kyle. I don't think he worked at Foot Locker, but he's

So I remember remember you guys you guys tweeted at us in like 2014 that the demo was rad of whoever I didn't know if it was you or Taylor it was me for sure then so we

we went to this is hardcore that year and Kyle walked up and gave you a demo tape and was just like yo thank you for like tweeting at us and then walked away but he's always looking to give people discounts I know he's giving you discounts on hellish my brother

Kyle is 10% of the quality of this show I'll tell you that much. Thanks for Kyle. But yeah, like we've been a band for fucking almost 10 years now. It's fucking insane. You did the full grind, man. You guys, like the difference can be seen the grinders versus like the bands that just

explode overnight. I remember you guys first playing Soundfury. And it was like, you got this, you played second, first or second, third? Yeah, because Bloodhound played first that day. Bloodhound played first. Another Texas band? San Antonio. There you go.

Big fans. Dude. I live here. I'm huge. Oh, you're in San Antonio now. I live in San Antonio. I love it. Well, we have, we talk about San Antonio a lot.

All of the time. Do you have any idea why it's so rad for bands? like dude all i know is these kids beat the god damn shit out of each other and i love it we we started coming down here in like 2014 because like obviously like you had to get out of love it we would we would drive six we would drive six hours to san antonio play a show and then drive overnight back to love it for six hours just so we can make work the next day and we did that like for years we did that like it took us a few years so get to play dallas because of like

politics. Like we, people thought we were dorks, I think. Sure. Which fair. But like we. But you grinded. Yeah.

Had to. Your proof of the grind. We're a little fucking West Texas dorks. Of course. I love it. Yeah. But we could smell it on you.

Right when we met you. Dude, these motherfuckers grind. San Antonio. To go back to San Antonio, though. Yeah. Our first show here, we played to like fucking 300 kids and

it's the best reaction we had ever had at that point and then we played again the next day at a house show and that was fucking sick too wow like it was I don't know it's just always been good to us and good to everybody honestly

Texas Texas two Texas bands is always like a very special thing it's one of those states that really takes pride in their own art how how long did take for you guys to get the like Texas loves Texas response?

It took us while and like it was also between scenes too because like I said Dallas it took a few years for us to even play there like San Antonio welcomed us with open arms and we they were like San Antonio South Texas

like we played La Rado and Corpus Christi early on and they put on for us really hard early on and we fucking love that. Corpus is a weird one Corpus is hard I've played good shows there and I've played weird shows there I played the hottest show I've ever played in my life

When like the first time we played there It was in this little like empty Like Takaria That only had one window Wall unit AC In the corner of the room And it was the middle of summer That was that was Cacky Shorts era hardcore

Oh Brutal era khaki shorts skate highs Walter Delgado era hardcore Walter Delgado era yeah where everybody was dressing like that

and back with like a different colored brim dude the snap way open barely on your fucking the really short minority unit five panel oh like right here

rest in shit five panel hats dude I say that because my khaki shorts turned into brown shorts, like just from pure sweats, not shit, I promise. And like I rung out, it was one of those where you ring out your shirt, like hot. And afterwards, I had the most like satisfied. We like drove to the beach and I literally was just like taking off fucking shoes and socks and shirt.

Just ran into the water and it was the like most relief I've ever had. It was like unbelievable. So even as a Texan, Texan weather does that to you? I'm a sweaty little guy, brother. Okay. Like, I... You've never acclimated. No.

Like, San Antonio, whether I'm better now, because Lovick is like super fucking dry. So, like, when we would come down here before, it was like I'd step out of the fucking car and I wouldn't stop sweating. Now that I've lived in San Antonio for a couple years, I can handle it a little bit better. but I'm still like I I'm not sweating like post 75 degrees or pre 75 degrees oh that's fair yeah like I'm I'm if it hits 76 my armpits start going they go we're on yeah dude I remember I was a kid and it gets humid in Chicago plenty but I remember I went to a wedding with my my dad and my stepmom in Houston. And it was like,

I was, I literally said to my dad like, why are we, I'm so wet. Like, what is going in? He's like, oh,

that's humidity. And I was like the, that's what I needed. That's crazy. I remember vividly in my life the first time somebody said humid. Yeah. It was a little kid.

It was in, uh, it was in fifth grade. And this kid was like, it's so humid. And I was like, who does this nerd think he is with these fucking big ass words? Fucking weather boy.

Looze. What's the hot? It's cold or hot, dumbass. What's the how to show you overplayed? Me? Yeah, you. That one in France. Yeah.

Yeah, that one was bad. That one in France. One at Eastside Joe's one time. I remember being like fucked up. That was in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. Aladdin Jr.

The twitching tongue was like one off headlining thing. The whole room was melting. I was wearing a long sleeve. Wet. Anchors up Anchors up is my answer for sure It was Fucked

When I say I'm a sweaty guy I fucking I've rung out my shirts like several Several times I have a video in my phone Of me ringing out my shirt at that At the venue in San Antonio That's right next to the

Riverwalk That's a great question Well Yeah Carova I have a video of me ringing it out. I saw that venue because it was just like unbelievable. I saw you guys there on the Life and Death Corps because we were going driving that show.

We were driving down to Laredo to play a fest and we were like, wait, this is in San Antonio tonight because it was on the way. And we were like, fuck that. We're going to San Antonio. And we just stumbled into the show and it was fucking wild. I think I had messaged you about it like a couple months ago because you had mentioned it here. One of the most violent sets I've ever seen. I think was y'all in San Antonio that day. I don't know.

I don't know what it is. Oh, that was the tour where I was like, you're going to have a great set in San Antonio. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. You're like, are you sure? Well, what's weird is early Harmsway. When we toured with Convicted,

we played San Antonio with Bitter End at a New Year's Eve show. And there were 30 people there. So it wasn't always, like, but we're talking 2009. Like we're talking a while ago. There was a revolution. There was a... Absolutely. Around 12, 13 where shit just changed.

And it got so good. Dude. Yes, it's the fucking best. We put over San Antonio so hard. As you should. It's the... I think every... If we had like a list of top 10 shows,

San Antonio would probably take at least five of them. Nice. Like, it's insane. But the thing that's funny too is if you look at like, Colin, I'm sure you've checked metrics and stuff for your bands. like San Antonio is not like a top 10 city in the U.S. on our Spotify. Not even on ours. Let's see.

Yeah. So it's just, it's just kind of like, well, what is this? They don't need to listen to it. They don't need it. They just care. They just hear a poll mute and they know what's up. They just fucking go. They're just like me for real.

Speaking of a bitter end, how monumental were they to you as a lad in Texas, Jake? First, uh, climate of fear was like the, first hardcore record I ever like fucking said oh like this is my shit I accidentally bought Keepers's Faith when it came out so that was technically the first CD that I like my first hardcore record was Keepers of the Faith

Oh what? Yeah I so I was like a death for kid like through and through at the time and basically basically my mom would just drop me off at the mall and I would go to FYE and just fucking go because they had the little CD players

I was good I would just go to the CD players and picked out whatever I thought was cool that day I fucking went to the heavy music section found Keepers of the Faith because it was like the fuck is this artwork and then my mom was like we have to go and I was like okay I'm gonna fucking take this

and I bought that CD. It says faith, ma. Can I bother this? It's Christian, Mama. Look. But, uh, so I bought it. I took it home and I was like,

I don't like this. I just like put it in my cabinet. And then, and then like a few years later, my friend Elijah, um, who plays in a band here in San Antonio. He lives in San Antonio now too.

Um, he plays in this sick fan called Future Shock. Um, He and this other guy that we were friends with at the time. It's not Elijah from Inner Self. No, but shout out Inner Self. Yeah. Fucking man on the street.

That's right. But so him and our other friend were, I was like hanging out with them one day before a show that we were going to. And they played climate of fear. And I was like, so to answer your question, sit around was fucking huge. Huge. So you often see the thing where it's like, Father, son, Holy Spirit, you know, like the meme where it's, I think it's Iron Age, Bitter End, PowerTrip. Do you agree with that?

Thousand percent. Summary. It's like that's an objective to take. Yeah. I just like to hear it, you know? Because it's just like you hear it in literally every fucking band that comes out of here. Like, if you don't hear the direct Iron Age thing, you hear the Bitterend thing or the Power Trip thing. Yeah.

Like it's... You hear that reverb and you go, okay, I know what you were. dude even like side things from like bands that were connected to that like fucking impalers and like hatred surge and like shit like that like really fucking resonated hard through that shit but yeah that's the father son

the holy spirit very true dude climate of fear we talk about paradigm shifts a lot climate of fear I give to you I credit for killing melodic hardcore but I think it was 30% climate of fears fall as well

when did that come out climate of fear 07 really yeah that's a lot earlier than I thought no I remember

I remember they put up I think the title track and phantoms before Saturn Fury 2007 they played the pre-show and like those songs got the fucking pop you know

and they were just not they've been on my space for like a day and they were insane. They're the fucking best. And then like guilty of charge too. Like guilty as charge came in right, came out right when I started like getting into hardcore. So that was like middle.

Like that couple of era like your era of like 2011 to 2013. Like. Okay. I got to give you guys your credit too. I want to punish you for a second. Fucking in love there is no law. Huge for me. Nice.

fucking like breeding grounds as a song. Oh, fucking booked me. Because obviously, like bands like that weren't coming to Lubbock very much. Like bands like y'all weren't coming to Lubbock very much. And like we would get like a random hardcore tour like pop in. Like or like the hardcore band on the metal tour.

But if I like, I just remember getting hooked on like certain YouTube videos. The Jabalba music video for old. Yeah. That was awesome. I watched that. I'm like half of those views probably. And then Taylor's in the pit in that video.

That's very fun. That's incredible. And then like. I slept on that, that floor often a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. That house. God damn.

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like from like 2011 2012 were like huge. And like being like a kid that was into like death core, like I wanted fucking breakdowns so badly. And so like Harmsway gave me that foundation was huge. Like and then like that brought me back to other shit. So like, yeah.

Internet fucking gave me everything. I love that. I love to hear that like modern bands are what did that for you. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Dude. Were you at that Pine Box show by any chance, 2011? Dude, I wanted to be there so bad.

That's the show, Colin, where there were more people in bands than people who attended. Like the two tours met up. Imbachers a legendary fucking West Texas venue, though. Oh, really? Well, like, for me. Like, because Midland is not a fucking city that has, like, thrived. Like, hardcore-wise, like, metal-wise. Yeah, it's just all oil.

That's the main thing. there. And it's just this fucking spot that's connected to a tire shop that was a huge fire ass. But like, fuck yeah. Dude, I saw like,

Austin, I missed title fight there, but Austin saw a title fight there. It was like taxed. I missed that show. But like, they had a window decal on one of the windows with that lineup on it.

And I was always just, first time I saw the medical tour. Where were we playing in Lovic? No. I missed that one too, but I had one of my friends, because I think I was I want to say I was still in football or something like that, and I had like

practice or something and I couldn't make it. That's why you're a shit brick house. Shit brick house is unreal. But I fucking like yeah, I missed that show, but I had one of my friends that was just into like volumes. He went and I was like,

you think about switching to talk. It was cool. I think I had him buy me one of y'all shirts. And he was like, he was like, yeah, they were cool. And I was like, you know, like that. You get the Burn Forever Bits shirt at that show?

Oh, shit. I can't hear you guys. Hold on. Uh-oh. They foked it. Okay, there we go. We're good. All right. Your big belly hit the button. Yeah. It reached all the way. Gros.

Yeah. What was it? Well, is Judiciary or your first band? No. I was in band I started my first band when I was on like eighth grade it's fucking sucked and then I

faked playing bass for a band with Austin and Israel when we were in high school like I didn't know how to play bass I borrowed a friend's base and I just like turned down really low and tried to look as cool as I could it literally just sounded like

fucking the band from California We were trying to sound like betrayal. Ah. And like it didn't happen that way. You know, Kail was, Kail Sam's the original drummer of betrayal, right? You know that? Really? Yeah.

I had no idea. Be Kale. I booked betrayal in Lubbock. I booked betrayal in Alpha and Omega in Lubbock once. And that show was fucking cool. But Lovick people were not privy to it. I started booking shows when I was like 17 and I would have to like book hardcore like any hardcore band I could like convince to come down. I would book them and then put like a like a little alternative band on it just to try to bring people out.

And like so people stuck around but like it was hard as shit. I lost so much money. Betrayal in their early. Betrayal was a band when they were like 15, 16 years old. smoking touring bands opening for them they were all they're all on high school and they're all like the whole school came to see them and then sick following betrayal used to be the worst days of my life awful I don't think I saw him

so judiciary is your first like real band oh yeah I played in like Lubbock bands like I did that one and then one other one that started around the same time judiciary did um it was like a kind of like a tushay type band. You're chill like that? What's up? You're emotional like that? Dude, I get sad sometimes.

Do you cry? Yeah, all the time. Yeah, Jesus, yeah, Jude's here is like the only band that's done it by far. The first tour in your life was, what was the first band from Lubbock to go to Europe? Have to be. Well, first heavy band. Fuck yeah. Buddy Holly definitely went to fucking Europe.

I don't know. I heard something about a... Never mind. And was that how it... Was that where we were going? I think that, like, I mean, we might be. I don't fucking know. The first tour...

So, first tour was in Texas, and it was just like San Antonio, Corpus Christi, San Antonio Laredo, Corpus Christi, and Austin, or some shit, I think. And that was fine. It was like Baby's first tour. And we were in fucking Austin's grandma's Yukon that she so graciously let us use. Yeah.

And then we, our first like tour tour outside of Texas was we got invited to play LDB in, 2016. Huge. So it was just us and we did like just a headliner to through like Oklahoma, Missouri fucking Indiana,

Tennessee. How many people went to those shows total? We probably average like 30 people maybe. Do we play the worst show we've ever fucking played on that tour though? Because you're a fucking grinder Evansville, Indiana. Oh, shout out, Evansville.

Okay, so Evansville is Pawnee. Do you know that? Yeah. Really? Yeah, I don't know. That's Pawnee. What is like based on?

So it was Super Bowl Sunday. We get a text. Dude, we get a text that day. The anniversary just happened. Yeah. Somebody's just like, the guy that was booking our tour at the time, because we didn't book it because we're from love it.

We don't fucking know anybody. We're like, please hope. Interesting. Yeah. So we booked this tour. We go to Evansville at Super Bowl Sunday. Day of we're driving to Evansville. And we get a text and saying, hey, I'm canceling the show from the promoter.

It's like, nobody's going to come because it's Super Bowl Sunday. And it was going to be us. I don't know if you guys remember that band Lower Day D. Yeah. My brother recorded them? really what was their band before lowered a d what was the name i'm not sure but i another new san antonio man there's uh i believe he's saying uh john clap he lives in san antonio now so that's that's that's cool but anyways it's supposed to be us

and then them and then one other band so then when they like canceled the show uh the other bands dropped. And then our booking agent reached out and was like, what the fuck? Like, just put on the show. So, uh, because we were like, well, we, $100. Like me, he's $100, man. Like, we, uh, then the show was back on. Fuck yeah.

And we drive all the way to fucking Evansville and get there. And it's just an auto shop in the middle of like, in an industrial area. And we're like, is this the right thing? And I call the promoter. I'm like, hey, man. like I think we're here. He's like, oh, okay, I'm just going to get something to eat and I'll be over there in a second. And so we're just waiting outside of this auto shop.

He shows up like 20 minutes later with a bag of checkers. And he fucking begrudgingly just opens the shop. And he's like, yeah, you guys play here or whatever. And then I find out he's not like the actual guy that booked the show. He was running it for a friend that booked the show. while we set up our gear and our fucking merch on top of an old fucking Chevy. Yeah. Dude, literally on top of the hood of a car.

And we fucking go. But we're just like chilling. Just like this is going to be horrible, but whatever, we're hanging out. And I overhear him tell one of the guys that showed up, yeah, I'm not going to fucking make people pay to see this band. The show's going to be free. Fuck it. And so I message the actual promoter And I'm like, hey, your boy just said

That this was gonna be free. Are we getting paid tonight? And he goes, what the fuck? Okay, hold on. And then he PayPal'd me like double what we were supposed to make, which is really nice of him. That's amazing. Yeah, because he was, it was such a disaster. But we played to five people. we were the only band that played no one bought anything

and then and then the next day after we leave this this place in Indiana I get a message accusing us of stealing space heaters out of the shop

and I was like what shot through the heart and you're to blame holy shit yeah So figured that out. He figured out it wasn't us. He figured out it wasn't us.

And then he was like, hey man, if you guys ever want to come back, like, let me. Fuck you. Did you start booing him? I should have. One time, quite a while ago in an undisclosed location, we're talking like a decade ago. No, but you'll understand. Okay. We played the clubhouse and bar of a motorcycle group of friends.

And it was like, like, you could see like the room from the stage. It was like real deal and like, uh-oh. And like as we were loading in, someone was wearing like a support your local, whatever shirt. And someone said, yo, take that shirt off. The fucking ATF is here. Shit like that while we're loading in to play. So we're obviously freaking out. And the guy who was promoting it wasn't there.

And he was having his friend do it. And like we played the show and like children are moshing next to what I can only describe as a man in a 5x leather vest. Of this association. Like just the scariest like, oh my God. But they're loving it, right? No. No. They wanted their cut and they wanted the show to be over.

they were not loving it because it was like literally in their like private bar. You got sound dope? We sounded fucking dope. We looked doper. But after the set, the kid was like, hey, can I just pay you guys and leave?

Because I don't want to deal. And we were like, go, go. Like, of course. Get the fuck out of here. And it was.

Is that the worst American show you've ever played? Fuck, no. No, it ended up being like fine. But it was just, One of those, like, you know the black cloud that's just all night. Black cloud?

No, damn, well, I know the black one. No. Worst show I've ever played in America. Yeah. Yeah. Ruckus and Zabalba at my beloved Colbalt Cafe. Jake, you would have loved the Colbilt. There's no waters.

The door guys going to kill you after the show. Mm-hmm. Bruckus and Zabalba Zero Paid Zero Zero paid

So you guys just practiced in front of each other We practicing from each other We got Aldo and Goosey on the guest list And other than that Ain't a damn soul in there You know what was It's funnier

If they didn't show up That would have been I would have respected it honestly But I think when they showed up We were both just like We were all just like Yo thanks for coming guys Yeah.

Real. On the first, the very first Harm's Way tour, caution booked it, and we played Kingston, New York.

What is Kingston, New York? Near Syracuse-ish. You couldn't get Syracuse? Well, we played Syracuse the following day. Okay, bear with me.

We played an open mic. Like, people doing poetry, the MC. sang a song and then we set up and played power violence songs. Fucking slam poetry, am I right? Yes. In a cafe.

Yes. With patrons. That was terrible. And there was also after a night. Yeah, that was after a night of sleeping in the van because who we were supposed to stay with never answered their phone. Then we played Syracuse. That was karma.

Karma Kramer. Then we played Syracuse at a suggested donation show. show in a punk house. What did they suggest? You go fuck yourselves? At one point, we were handed two rolls of pennies. That's $50 a dollar. That's $1. We got $1. So that 24-hour period was really brutal.

Very brutal. Those are the worst shows for sure. Wow. Jake, you drove for Uber for a long time, right? That's how you met your girlfriend. is how I met my girlfriend. She was a passenger? Yeah, yeah. She went to Texas Tech

where I also went and I didn't meet her while she was there but she was up for her friend's graduation. And I picked her up and we went I usually was like, you know, if they have to go to food and they're cool, fuck it, I'll go

and her and her friend were cool. So I took them to Taco Bell. For all good love stories happen. And we were just The line was taking long so we talked and then we exchanged info. But it was... Dude, one in a billion.

Yeah, don't get any ideas out there. Dude. Little Uber drivers. You're the only one that's ever succeeded. Yeah, absolutely. I used to do that between tours because I couldn't keep like a fucking job job. I used to, I worked at Costco before that and they were like, well... Which was like a fucking shit job.

for like for like for they being like that right for for me being like 21 years old and like it was it was awesome and I had like the best job I worked like parking lot security and one of the safest parts of Lubbock you're putting carts back yeah and I was telling skateboarders to go behind cabellas and and and because there was a better spot first of all rock there's a better I was literally dope rail in the back. I was literally fucking Steve Bishimi. I'm like, hello, fellow kids. Do you get a discount on the hot dog?

No, but I, dude, they. You don't need a discount on that. I got a free membership, though. That's sick. And it was, it was the $120 membership where you get like 2% back. 2% back. It pays for itself. I've never stepped foot in a Costco.

Well, next time you're here, you and I will take. take a little trip, have a good time. Go to Costco. I'm a big fan. I'll fly home with a bunch of... I'll be there in a month. You like the pizza, Jake? Oh, yeah.

That shit fucking kept me alive for a couple years I worked there. I... I... There would be sometimes where I would feel really fucking, like, shitty, and I would get, like, a pizza and a hot dog combo. Or a pizza and a chicken bake? Fucking... Yeah.

A big thing in our house was the pizza. We get a Costco pizza. in the tub of Wingstop Ranch. Holy shit. That's the heaviest meal I think I've ever heard. That's called ultimate, you know, the brain expanding guy? Yeah. That's me when I eat the Costco pizza with the Wingstop Ranch.

You were namaste in real hard. Oh, namaste in this fucking chair after that one. You hit equilibrium in that moment. Absolutely. You a drinker, Jake? I am a, I am, wait, did you say a drinker? A drinker. I'm an edgeman, brother.

You're an edgeman? I got the little hard work jewelry necklace like everybody does. Sammyoa family. Famayoa. Yeah, but that's why I fucking did Uber was because I don't drink. And like it's college town. So like driving around drunk kids makes you money. Was that at all?

And please don't take this despairingly. But I figure I imagine that in West Texas pretty heavy drinking cold. culture, I would imagine. So was that at all, we don't really, we don't need to get into the like, why are you straight because we're all fucking straight edge for like basically the same reasons. But like, was that at all? Because it's tough. Was that at all like challenging being in a place where it's like, what do you mean you don't

do this? It's like yes and no. Like it's, I just never fucking had the interest in it. And then like when I started when I was able to. when I was around, like, drinking and stuff like that, like, I just see, like, how, like, I don't have a problem with anybody who wants to fuck drinks, do whatever you want. But, like, I see, you know, how risky it is, like, people getting too drunk or, like, like, they just have one too many and it's fucking ruins their life. Or they, like, get drugged or some shit like that. Like, I'm good, man.

Or they just die. Dude, yeah. Yeah. Like, dude, driving Uber, like, stupid fucking college kids just being so irispring. and having no regard for like themselves at all like is insane and just like like you said West Texas drinking culture like being in a college town the young kids fucking start drinking because that's all that's all they can do and the old people they've drank since they were fucking young kids just like these other people insane have you ever spit something into a

spatoon as a Texan no I think my Texan card might be revoked What am I going to spit the little shredded jerky shit? Or some seeds or something, you know? I do enjoy some seeds. Here's another Texas question for you. You're eating a bowl with chili. Beans or no beans? I'm going beans.

You're out, dude. You're out of Texas. I enjoy a bean. Get them beans out of there. I enjoy being chili is a thing. Is that not a thing? What? Five bean chili is a thing.

Yeah, it's a thing. It's not a Texas. I'm from West Texas It's different Let me ask you this You love Tex-Mex You like only love Tex-Mex? No, I like like

You're not one of those guys that's like It's the best in Texas man I can't eat Mexican foods Without barbecue sauce on it Oh See I'm not with the fucking Like Texas and California Texas California Arizona

Like fucking supremacy over Mexican food I'm not with the tribalism I like it all It's all good I love It's all That's right

So, I can't believe Koso Even I like Koso Koso is unbelievable Yeah If you didn't

You would be I'd have to admit You'd have to admit you Until you'd get You'd get your fat guy Card revoked For sure You know

Yeah But you ain't Taking that for me Ever over my fucking dead body You're taking that thing For me Over my dead

Koso Yeah I'd Like A good California Fucking Asada Burrito Yeah

fucking, you can't beat that little street And here's the thing. And I'm with you because like If put that same burrito With some Texas Koso. That's what makes a text match. You just dump Koso on it. Just dump Koso on it and boom, you're in Texas. Yes, it's beautiful. What a beautiful thing. I'm with you. You're right. Onions, cilantro

and lime. Like that's it. Pretty much. That's all you really. That's all you need. That's like I'm in Tijuana getting some some street tacos. I don't need nothing else. What's that? I can't believe a lime.

Like lime everything. Like, okay, I know this one's controversial, but lime cucumber Gatorade. My favorite. Yeah. My favorite.

It's the best. I would say that's their last great innovation. Yeah. Absolutely. Lime-flavored lays. My favorite chip. I like that. Your mouth may never function the same again,

but delicious. It's fucking worth it. Cat and Crunch ain't got no. Nothing on the weaponized, the weaponization of the limb and lays. I went to a restaurant with James and Aaron the other night, Colin. Uh-huh. And it was a Mexican place called Canton Reggio in Pilsen here. Sounds Italian.

You order, I know it does, but it's awesome Mexican. You order your food by the kilo. Huh? So we got a kilo of steak and a kilo of chicken. Why? What do you mean why? Like 2.2 pounds of food? Yeah.

We got four and a half pounds of food, brother. It's not a unit of measurement I'm familiar with, so I would not have a good time, you know? Every kilo is a lot. Isn't it crazy, though, when you're eating something? You just said this, Jake, but you'll be eating something you've eaten your whole life, and you'll be like, this is delicious. But then you squeeze a quarter of a lime onto it.

And it's like, what have I been waiting for? Dude. Where was this? I'm unsure what I'm going to do for dinner tonight. you guys are making me want to get Mexican food. Let's talk about food. What's your Waterburger order? So,

here's the thing. If I'm still living in Lubbock, my number one of all time, What a Burger order is the green chili double, add mustard, add bacon. So double cheeseburger with just green chili, mustard bacon.

And Lubbock has it year round because it's so close to New Mexico that they can get the hatched chilies like always. Oh. But they bring it around... Like, I guess they all just come from Hatch, New Mexico. So Lubbock has it year-round, but seasonally, they bring it down everywhere.

And so when it's seasonal, I'm... Oh, God, I'm there multiple times. What season is it? They don't have a special right now. I don't know what the fuck's their problem is. No, no. I'm saying, like, what time of year are the Hatch Chilies available? I'm fucking season.

I think it's like fall. I'm pretty sure. Beautiful. Yeah. You get the pumpkin, you get a pumpkin spice latte on the way to get them hatched chili burgers. But I'm doing a green chili double

with fries, regular and spicy ketchup. And I'm the last few bites of the burger, I'm dipping spicy ketchup. With a full sugar, Dr. Pepper, obviously. Full diesel?

Still? I've slowed down a lot. I got into fucking sparkling water because of my Dr. Pepper problem. Like, I, I just figured out that I like to burn. And, but, like, if I'm feeling spicy, I'm getting a full sugar, Dr. Pepper. I've taken an affinity to Sprite Zero recently, though. Love Sprite Zero.

Sprite Zero is great. It's my favorite diet soda. The ultimate nighttime soda. Yeah. That's right. If I'm not, if I can't get the green chili double, though. Okay, so I guess I have three. the other one is just a bacon cheese burger

like bacon cheese water burger solid baking bacon guy put it on a burger my mind is blunt also the patty melt there's a bunch of what what a burger shit patty melt's awesome fucking uh the breakfast

so good yeah the breakfast is like it's maybe the best thing they got dude they took away my favorite breakfast over McDonald's breakfast I'll say that wow wow that's a lot Oh, that's a bold statement. I agree, but I never thought you would say it.

I think the biscuit stuff. They took away the jalapeno cheddar biscuit is my favorite thing. They're going to take that away. They're going to bring in these hands. I'll tell you what. Have either of you had the new Dr. Pepper yet? No, I'm not a strawberry guy. Oh, no, I haven't.

I haven't been able to find it. I respect the good doctor and all the things he does. Of course. But I won't be touching that. He spent all those years in medical school and his residency for a reason. Exactly. Is Dr. Pepper H.Q. Texas.

Right. Yeah. Really? Dr. Pepper is Texas born, bred, and strong. It's a part of Texas more. I think it's Dublin, Texas, like the middle of fucking nowhere. Yeah. Oh, welcome to Dublin.

Between San Antonio and Houston? Is that correct? I honestly don't know. I thought it was like somewhere north of Austin, but I could be wrong. We stopped there. Yeah. Really? Of course.

And had a blast. They'll give you like a tour and then you can get like cane sugar, Dr. Pepper's like glass, glass bottle shit there. Oh, nice, lovely. You know, there's a looters, Texas. My name's. Good for you. Wow. 300, 300 pop.

There's also a white settlement, Texas. You psyched about white settlement? You're psyched about white settlement? Probably. bet you are right next to my dad lives in life hand so i've been doing an offensive texas accent this whole episode but i'm but i'm half texan honorary for sure i'm honor i'm in there and i'm in the cut dude in the in the in the in the prairie down around around weatherford right weather yeah right now right up from weatherford right outside of weatherford

which is which is right next to fort worth texas dockyards are i i i did a cc's there one time you did. See, pretty much shit my pants. But worth it. Yeah. Cic's brought. Ford is kind of lit.

Is it? Every faster. The wing stops across from the Taco Bell, which was across from the Chick-fil-A, which is across from the Raisin Cains. And that's where my metric is for litmus. That's the litmus text. The litmus test.

The litmus test for me is the four-block fast food ratio. And Weatherford is lit. You know what the, you know what the judiciary litmus test is? especially for hotels if the hotel is near a Starbucks Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude,

it can't be we proudly serve Starbucks. No. Like we almost had in Baltimore the other day. That was tragic. That was tragic. The Cambridge Hotel. Yeah. Starbucks in the lobby,

Duncan across the street. Yeah. And a real Starbucks in the lobby. I'm moving in kid. And all Whole Foods in the parking lot. Oh. That's rare. They got it all.

That's a unicorn. Unicorn. Dude, I can't, I can't do Duncan. I'm sorry. You'll check. You're a Southern. You'll grow up. It's milk with a splash of coffee.

Yeah. Yeah. It feels good. You think you're better than Ben Affleck? Get that up in you. Did you see that Ben Affleck Super Bowl? Of course I did. Yeah.

It was a good commercial. Screamed. So you think you're better than Ben Affling, Jake? He was Batman. You ever date Jennifer Lopez? What about What about how to do that? You ever been an angel

in dogma? Yeah You haven't I'm sorry, guys show some questions Hit some Q&As We do some Q&As What's your favorite

food in the world? Like fast food or food food? The thing where you're Is it Waterburger? Is that your pick? Are you sick of Waterberg? Give him an example.

I ate Waterburger yesterday. What would your answer be? My answer? Favorite food in the world? Yeah. Don't get incredulous with me. You just asked him this. My favorite food in the world.

Damn, this is tough. It changes, you know. It does, but right. I've thought about this recently, and I was like, I think this is it. Like, my favorite meal. Yeah, there you go. Is a Japanese dish called skimming. Really?

It's a cold noodle and a hot broth. It'll fuck your ass, Beau. I don't want that You do I think a nice chicken parm Vodka Parm Smok Oh my God Yeah no I do love a vodka penny

You know That's probably number two for me And Alavaka Respect Now that I'm thinking on it Like I want to say like a good Ribeye or some shit Oh

But like But like Like my comfort food Is just like a plate of fucking enchiladas And fucking rice and beans. Rojo or Verdee, brother?

Fucking Rojo. Unless I'm getting chicken. But if it's like, yeah, yeah, but like it, I'll take any genre of enchilada, like cheese, beef, brisket, chicken.

That's just a comfort food. You've met the salsa and beer yet? Oh, yeah. Dude, you got the creamy chicken insoladas? Yeah, because that's what Taylor told me. Yeah, yeah. Dude, I, I, I think about salsa. some beer all the time. I think

I forgot who I want to say Isaac posted him going to salt some beer like last week and I was like salivating thinking about those. Maybe that's for Darren tonight. I might have to go. There's a place, there's like a fast casual place here in San Antonio called Mama Marjee's and it is like five minutes away from my house.

Best bean and cheese talk full fucking ever. I'm about to get like eight of those bitches. You record it with Taylor your first selfie. yeah how was that it was fun it was fun i recorded two things with taylor uh the we me austin israel did a death metal band called terra chamber and we

originally weren't going to do it with him and we're like you know fuck it let's just go to california and record the death metal lp with them or an EP and we did we played one show and never fucking takes it up again that's the way to do it yeah you know because sometimes that one show is really good and then you got it baby you got a stew going.

The one show was good. It was not in Lubbock. It was in Fort Worth. And it was with Gate Creeper in full of hell. It was a good-ass show. I bet that sounds good. But yeah, recording with him was fucking cool.

I mean, like, he, like, all of his, the thing is when we recorded with him that was like, he's been in so many fucking things that we like and love. And he has valid input on literally every single fucking instrument. like drums

his drumming is fucking insane he did that yeah guitars his fucking riffs obviously and then like I love disgrace like disgrace

like disgrace vocal like I love Taylor vocals so much and like he fucking rewrote like a couple of riffs that we had and then Israel

messed really well together and he doesn't hesitate to tell you you sucked when you did it take it's good That's what you need. I do you need that.

Sometimes you're convinced you don't and then you were wrong. Recording with him was a huge reason why we got on closed casket too. Like we went in to record with him without having a label like ready to go. We were prepared to just literally hit up record prep pressing plants and self-release the whole fucking thing. And we were just like, fuck it. Like we'll do it ourselves and nobody wants it. because we weren't getting hit up at all. And we were already shipping out records regularly

because we had self-made a bunch of records before that. That's cool. And, yeah, he sent, like, recordings in progress to Justin. And I remember I was sitting on the toilet in Taylor's house, and he texted me and said Justin likes the songs. He's going to hit you up soon. That's awesome. Yeah.

So my best ideas ever on that toilet. So I know how you felt in that. I've been there. good toilet great toilet a lot of twitching tongues lyrics on that I love that

oh you fucked yourself trying to fuck me that's awesome I mean now you're on LP2 with closed casket he's obviously the man he fucking rocks dude

I was putting this record together you excited I'm so excited I couldn't be more proud of it it's a shift like it's a I mean it's a shift

but it's a it's a it's It's the biggest piece of advice I would give a band when they were like, they start to pop and then they're doing their next thing is evolve, don't change. Yeah, right. And I think that's exactly what you've done. That's a good way to put it. You guys rocked my ass the other night in Chicago.

I was ill and I was there with like an ear infection. And you guys were so loud. I left before inclination Like it was so Fucking loud That I like I had I started getting a headache I was like I think that was your equilibrium You got vertigo or something

I did Dude now This was this was right after COVID I was recent Dude those shows were the first ones where we started We started doing bass drops Oh yeah I know When you said that you had to leave the show

I was like oh no I've had those fucking base drops Like really hard because the sound the person who did sound was fucking unbelievable at that Chicago venue I think that was at

Cobra Lounge I believe she did our sound at the isolation like 10 year show that we did I feel bad because I forget her name but I only met her once I heard she does sound for like Skeleton Witch or something like metal band the same same gal

she's got it down that room when that room has people in it the Cobra Lounge could sound pretty good that show fucking rocked So the recent gigs are good New songs going over I'm excited

Is there any challenge in Like the recording is obvious the production's wild It sounds very big The songs are super technical Was there any challenge in like translating them to playing them live Yeah there's there's already some things That it's just like we know fuck we need to figure out how we're going to do this Because I like

There's some parts like that are really big and grand and have a few different layers that are like pretty important to the song we're going to have to figure that out but overall like I think that for the most part we can figure it out and

there's always a way it's just it's never going to be the same as the album so you just kind of find some kind of middle ground yeah well and the other guys are fucking so goddamn talented that it's just like we're good but their vibe the judiciary's

vibe, you look at the guys on stage now and I just, I see like these guys have all the potential to be like pro music guys, you know? The whole vibe, everybody's got there, everybody knows their role and is very good at it.

Fucking Israel is a fucking pro. He's a pro. He's a guy, Mr. GateCreper. That's right. They draft. He won an incredible draft pick he was. Dude, he fucking deserves it. Like, honestly. Like he, he, I met him through an ex-girlfriend I had when I was in high school,

and the first video I ever saw of him was him playing and has Blood Runs Black song on an acoustic guitar, and he posted it on Facebook. And then he started his first band with Austin, the one that had fake playing bass on. And he would show up to gigs with an Ibanez Gio in one hand, no case, and a fucking line six spider in the other hand. and said, I'm ready to play.

No pedals. No pedals. No tuner. Just my ear. He fucking, he deserves to be playing all the shit that he does. How about the video that you guys put out with the first? Crazy. Crazy fucking videos.

So. You draw that? Here's some fucking lore that you'll appreciate it. The guy that did it is apparently he worked in props on a bunch of movies and stuff like that. One specific TV show that he worked on, he put a stapler in some jello. Oh, shit. Damn.

Yeah, he was the prop guy that did that. He did a bunch of shit for Gone Girl, too. And, yeah, he did it, and then our friend, he, like, animated it, and then our friend Michael produced it. Who found him? Our friend Michael. Michael works in a creative team called Muted Widows And they've done a bunch of different music videos for like

King Woman Drab Majesty Boy Harsher That kind of fucking world And so he's like Bo can't believe that world It's a sick world Yeah

But But You know I put together Or I was Dwight for Halloween one time and I put a stapler in Jello and it took the recipe that I read said

to put like six packets worth of Jello in one thing and it still fell apart Wow that guy probably He figured it out. Or it's just like Ballistics Jeliton or something. Mr. Clint Carney is built different Clint Carney so that's that ties it all back. Yeah I love

to Boa-Dak. He fucking that video is unbelievable I like Yeah it's crazy. It's really really cool. It's wild. Quite literally. Very impressed. You want to take some cues from the people now? After a hard 90 minutes.

Let's do it. I'll take some cues and I'll give some A's, man. I love it. Is there any vegan food you've been impressed by for all three of us? Chicago Diner. I had the best Ruben sandwich I've ever had at Chicago Teder. Not vegan or not vegan. And a carrot cake, cake. Yeah, yeah, there's a vegan shake there that's really good too. They got dessert done for sure. Honestly, vegan desserts are fucking badass.

Yeah, you don't, I mean, there's alternatives for all those things. Yeah, it's good. Yo, donut friend? That's vegan. Don't tell anybody I fucking said this. Yeah. The donut friend is unbelievable. But El Cucinoero and Van Nuys.

Vegan Mexican food. The first time I had veggie grill. The planet's aligned. Yeah. It's just a genre of food like any other, you know? I have no problem. I don't want to eat it every night, but I have no problem getting vegan food here and there. I also don't think it's as good.

Like the next time, it falls off. Yeah. Veggie grill sucks dick now. Don't have friends still goes over and hard. And Cuccaneiro's good. Yo, did you guys have Senna vegan ever here? Oh, but I heard it was bomb. It used to go crazy.

But Coceiro is like the better version of that now. Handelbar here in Chicago is the one. What's that? It's just a vegan spot, but it's like all good. Dude, they have a Nashville hot chicken sandwich that's just a chicken of the woods mushroom, but like breaded perfectly and it's fucking awesome. Chicken of the woods is hilarious. Vegan Avenue and San Antonio has a good brunch.

And then there's a fast food place called Project Pollo here that a bunch of my non-mediator friends love. I think it's good. Project chicken. Don't like vegan restaurants. We're happy for you, but like, I don't want to try it. Can judiciary start playing 7.65 millimeters? Probably not.

All right. I get away people like that song. I don't know if we'll ever play it live. It's a good song, though. What's our favorite Pantera song, guys? Suicide Note 1 and 2. Yeah. Dude, Aaron and I listen to that. Yesterday in my living room. Just sat there. How did they do that?

I don't know. Weed, weed, weed, weed, weed. That fucking. Yeah. That's funny, too. Strength beyond strength is pretty hard. Pretty hard. To open a record.

Yeah, that's crazy. The record starts with, Neal-a-needle-a-neal-a-neal. Yeah. That's fucking nuts. Dude, the fucking long-ass scream he does. Or the fucking. insane.

Becoming intro with the fucking double kick thing that nobody else in the world can do. Like you have to be able to lead with both feet to do it. Then he was gangster. Dude, he was, we were just talking about it. He was fucking awesome. I love a fat drummer. They're the best. They're the best.

Nick Barker. The suicidal guy when he was before he was skinny? Lord. I'm going to say slaughtered, honestly. Wow. Is that our? Dill de lilly. Dude.

Yeah. Favorite Pantara rift, though, primal concrete sledge breakdown. Dude, did it, didn't, didn't, dunn,

but the fucking da, that's like judiciary. That's Israel, Garza, guitar lesson one honestly. Yeah, absolutely.

That sounds crazy. Somebody wanted to know, just talk about your sick design work, which we did earlier, but hit up to that person. He'll design some stuff for you. Top three judiciary songs to play live.

Oh, that's a good question. Axis of equality of the number one. Like it gets the craziest reaction every time. The pop, what can you do? It's the most simple song, which is like I love the song. It's in a way frustrating. Because you know how you wrote that song.

You're just like, oh, yeah, this would be a good intro. Like riffier, riffier, riffier, if you're okay, cool, let's move on the next one. And it ends up being like the fucking craziest song you have. And then you're like, come on guys, we've done better things, I swear. Listen to this crazy time signature that we spent fucking hours on. Oh. Give us the first one.

But Axis is like definitely number one. I get the shit beat out of me, like, during the sing-along part every time. I like Temple a lot. I think that's one of our hardest songs. Having Brody do his part at our shows was cool, too. Dude, that was the worst. When you guys really popped off, that was the top God's Hate song in our, like, Spotify and album music. Really?

It was number one God's Hate song was the judiciary song featuring. in God's sake. That's funny. I'm sorry. You'll see, we took it off because it's fucking piss me off. I saw that. I don't blame you.

I would have done it too. Yeah. For years, you were sitting on the top. Number one. And then third, probably Karma's knife. It's fucking fast.

It has a fun breakdown. And just good fucking song, honestly. I do some, like, playful shit live. throwing my voice up really high and then doing it down low. Wow. Yeah.

That shit's fun. Love it. I love that kind of stuff. Maddie Watkins, friend of the show, asked, usual Bucky's order? Oh. I love a brisket sandwich. The chop is brisket sandwich.

So I admittedly, like, they're hot food. I haven't, like, eaten that much of. I like what I've had. Brisket sandwich, turkey sandwich is good. I'm usually in there. I like freak out when I'm in there, especially during the summer.

Like during the summer during the day, because when I drive up to Austin, it's on the way in New Braunfels. And in New Bromfels, there's like a bunch of swimming spots and lakes and shit like that. So everybody stops there before they fucking go to the lake. So it feels like I'm in like a FEMA relief center where you're just like dodging people

and people grabbing shit off the shelves and fucking running. running around. So you feel that too as a Texas resident. Oh, yeah. It's stressful. But I love Bucky's like I could fucking eat off the bathroom floors.

They're so goddamn clean. You gotta walk in there with a game plan though. Yeah. It's so overwhelming. I know like, but if I'm in there, I'm grabbing a tobo chico. If I want hot food,

I'd probably get a brisket sandwich. I like the candied pecans. That's the best thing they got. Yeah, those are crazy. Gabe the pigeon can't believe those things. Every time you go to. Yeah.

And I'm running out of there as fast as I can after that. I'll maybe get like a little cup of like summer sausage and cheese. And I'm good. Yeah. See, I've never had a hot meal there. Dude, because I'm so stressed out. Dude, it's fucking panic-inducing. It sucks.

And then like driving is also like $4. It's like so. cheap. That's great. Worst injury on the road and not on the road. Injury on the road? Oh, fuck. I had like this lingerie.

It wasn't like necessarily anything that happened at like a show. I think it came from me lifting weights. But I basically found out that the cartilage in my wrist, sorry if you can hear my dog, fucking walking around. And the cartilage in my sternum got inflamed. and it carried over it onto my back. And so anytime I would take a breath, I would just make this sound like,

because like it hurts so fucking bad. So imagine playing a fucking show and trying to like give yourself diaphragm, like breast support with that. That is singing. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't do like my adrenaline would go up and I could like blast through it,

but I couldn't fucking jump around or do two shit. There was one show we played one of the hottest shows we were playing Yuma, Arizona. You had to play Yuma at some point. We played Prison Hill, which is literally just a hill in a park.

It was just a slab of concrete. Good show, honestly. We played there with Creeping Death and Vamakara. And I played that show, and I just remember walking back to our van, just hunched over because that was the only way that was comfortable

and just sat in the van seat and just went for like 30 minutes I couldn't fucking do it so that sucked and then I've also had an allergic reaction on tour too oh same dude

we played the masquerade in fucking Atlanta and I it was on the gate creeper exhumed tour I fucking during the set I was like my adamos acting out absolutely fucking bad. Like, I don't know what's going on.

I got off stage and I still couldn't catch my breath. And then I looked at, like, at my phone camera and my nose was like fucking swollen. My face was swollen. What do you know? I had no fucking clue.

Like, we ate, they made like a goulash before the set. I don't know if there was like something in the goulash or something. Or like, if they'd clean the microphone with something, I don't fucking know.

But like, I looked at Eric from, fucking geek creeper and he was like, dude, like you fucking, do you, do you need something? Is that the only time that's happened in your life? Yeah, like to my knowledge. The same thing. I had the same.

I don't, it was from a cat. Uh, a girl named Jackie in the northwest, we stayed at her apartment. Her cat. I'm not super allergic to cats. I'll sneeze. Same. But something about this cat's hair. I looked like I was abducted and replaced with like AI who tried to recreate my face from memory.

It was crazy. My face was twice the size. There's no photos in existence of this. I've never experienced that again. I never had it before. But here's Collins' MS Paint recreation of it. I'll try. Yeah, no, it's going to be Rocky from mask.

It's going to be Will Smith and Hitch. Yeah, that's me. Australia looked crazy. And then I had an ingrownail at this is hardcore 2014. Dude, that sounds like, ha ha, but those are debilitating. I, Harmsoy played a Halloween show where we wore like pumpkins on our heads. And it was like really rowdy. And the next day I had to have my appendix taken out because I like ruptured it.

That was pretty bad. And then one time in New York, I was jumping around through my back. got really bad. Chris had gotten his wisdom teeth taken out. So we had like small doses of Vicodin left. But I have a weird opioid. Oh, you're immune, right? I'm like immune in like reverse.

So like if I, when I've, when I had my appendix out, I was nauseous for a week because the anesthesia. Right. And like I'm taking Cratum before for. I love anesthesia. Yeah. I've taken Craton before for like knees and inflammation and it made me like nauseous and made me puke.

What a bummer. And the Vicodin kept me up all night. I was up. I could not sleep. I have this. My mom's the same way. My mom's the same way. That was terrible.

Is Twitter ruining hardcore? No. Shows are so much better now. And you got to remember, there was always message boards. Yes. The B9 board is just a much bigger thing now and it's all of Twitter. So it's the same thing.

Favorite rift. each of you have ever written. You ever write a riff, Jake? I'm learning guitar right now. I have a, I have a shitty little LTD fucking Viper that has aftermarket E. You ever do you have a mouth riff something that became a riff?

Yeah, a couple of times. There you go. That counts. You know any of you? You got any of the top of your head? That were that were Jake Collinson, dad, dad, dan, dan, down, you know? I've mouthed a bunch of solos to Israel that he's translated

into the songs. Mainly, there's a song on Axis of Equality that people always ask us to play that just doesn't sound like us at all. And the solo on that,

I mouth, I mouth ripped to him a lot. There's been others that I can't think of them off top my head, but that one was I was like, you should just go like, do, do,

bow, down, bionab, bow, wow. And that's what he did? Yeah, that's what he did. That's badass. What about you?

No, you go first. Probably infestation, I suppose. Yeah. Stupid. It's like you were talking about earlier, Jake Hullet's like kind of a simple song that like caught on. And then we had the running man thing. So there it is. But I had the idea for like a fast beat over like a really binary riff.

And that's where it came from. Oh one. Oh one. Oh one. Oh. Taylor hates it. I told me. I mean, that's just not his vibe.

When I pick up a guitar, I play the kill for you verse. Oh, really? Any guitar I pick up, I do the pen. That's like the first thing. Yeah. So that's the like subconscious answer. Gotcha. Because that's just the first thing.

But something on the God's Hate LP would have to be. You know what Riff I fucking loves on the God's Hate LP? eternity of hate I was definitely proud of that one. That was one where I was like, is this something? Did I steal this? I haven't found it.

It's just a bolt thrower scale. It sounds like you were listening to death. And then you're like, there's some death in there for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's the scale. It's all that.

Those are his five favorite notes. You know, I hit them all. Two octaves. Good notes. That's great. Have you ever had a paranormal encounter? So as an adult, not really.

When I was a kid, though, there was a reoccurring thing that used to happen when I was. So I lived in a two-story house and my bedroom was right above the kitchen. And I, when you're in a two-story house, if you put your ear to the mattress, you can kind of hear what's going on downstairs. like I would try to frequencies. Yeah, yeah. I would try to hear like my mom and my dad talking like in the kitchen when I was little and what did they talk about?

I was trying to see if they were talking shit, but they weren't. Our son is so fucking laugh. But there was I would hear at night like the kitchen cabinets like opening and closing and then I would hear footsteps like all the time like most nights

I would hear the footsteps. And then one night in particular, I heard the kitchen cabinets opening and closing. And then, like, clear as day, I heard cabinet open and then a glass shatter just everywhere. And I was like, oh, no, I bet my mom just, like, drop a glass or it's the fucking ghost. So in the morning, I asked my mom, like, hey, did you like break glass last night? And she was like, no, I didn't go downstairs at all. As my sister or two. And she didn't either.

Was the glass gone? Nothing was broken. I just heard it. And where were you again? I was in. Oh, no. It was real to him, damn it. Yeah.

I was just a scarring as a child. I believe you. I was afraid of everything as a kid. I was scarred. If I could tell Austin's story, it is as fuck. So his grandparents, he used to live across street from where we went to school. We went to school with tiny fucking school.

I graduated with 42 people. And in a smaller town outside of Lubbock, population 700, New Deal, Texas. New Deal, Texas. New Deal, Texas, home of the New Deal fighting lines. And you know that was named by, like, some guys were playing poker, and they were like, let's get a new deal going. You know what?

No, so you know what? It used to be called Monroe, Texas. and then the New Deal, the political thing happened, and they were like, that's us. Oh, it was poor. But so we, when Austin and I were in high school, we used to just walk across the street to his grandmas and eat frozen cheeseburgers.

And he told me that when he was a kid, there was a lady that lived in the house before his grandparents did. And when he was like two or three, he walked around just saying like, peachy, peachy, peachy, which was her nickname. And they didn't tell him that, obviously. And then, like, when you walked in, like,

it's just, like, a bad fucking vibe. Sure. Like the Zach Begand's Haunted Museum. Just like the Zach Begons. The sister location is in New Deal, Texas. Is in New Deal, Texas. Yeah. But, like, yeah, it was not a good vibe.

I think one time we were there, a door opened. So that one was not good. But yeah, little... Doors are not supposed to open. No, never. On my watch, keep them close. But we little fucking Austin was just walking around saying peachy,

which is very fucking specific. It's on site with peachy. Fuck peachy. All my home is hate it. All my home is hate it. What about you, Bo? You ever have a... You know what? funniest weirdest

Mosh call you or Jimmy have ever given to a crowd you know any come to mind Jimmy likes to call people out

like specifically so I'll hear like during a set I'll just hear like running sharks and like shit like that I think I've like shouted dumb shit out

like people who deadlift like just dumb shit but nothing specific it does make me laugh when I hear Jimmy say something stupid though something specific

yeah You know what my favorite Mosh call is? It's from the live Sepuletura record where he says Or it's a recording I don't know if it's a full record But he says Sal Paolo show the world

That's harsh That's hard James has said that a few times Chicago show the world Just wherever we are show the world Yeah You know what I've been doing A bunch that I don't know

If I should do anymore At the start of the set I'll say that they're Like last week and I said that we're in Tacoma, Texas now. People cheered, but it was, I don't know. We'll see if it's also the last. I have a favorite Megadeth video that I've seen

where they're going to play Holy Wars, and he goes, this next song goes out to the death of one fucking idiot out in the Middle East. You know who I'm talking about Detroit? Fuck you said I'm Holy Wars. And then it just rips it. And we played Brick, New Jersey once, on the day that bin Laden was killed

and James said fuck you Osama breeding grounds Wow Let's go Hard Yeah breeding grounds God what a true Some would say breeding grounds is the reason that Harthor

exists So we'd call it the master killer of isolation One of those dominoes is Breeding grounds for sure Top three goaded albums on the labels You have releases with You can't mention each other's bands though. Oh shit.

So top three on closed casket? That aren't our Without yeah, I'm mentioning Incendiary Zabalva. Cost of living is Cost of living. Cost of living funded many of the things we've done. Cost of living was like that record for me

for a long time. Yeah. Not mentioning y'all's bands is really fucking hard. It's hard. We were just early you know. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the back of the lineup shirt. Disgrace. Oh, yeah.

True enemy. True enemy easily is on the upper echelon there. I think people younger than us and people not in bands would have much great, different opinions than us, I feel like. I think Arizona is up there for me. Ooh, that's a great one. Good call. That was, I mean, that's a fucking scene changing record.

King 9 death rattle Oh fuck I forget Yeah A lot of good stuff I forget where stuff comes out You know what I mean Close casks it's pretty good

Close cask it's got a bit of a lineup Yep Let's see what else we got here Is it a bigger difficulty gap Going from a local to regional A regional to national or national To international To be in my opinion

Being local band is 10 years of your life. Yeah. To me. But being a band that tours Europe and not doing anywhere near as good as playing Los Angeles has also been a 10 year thing.

I mean, it doesn't happen for something. Yeah. It never happened for me. In my opinion, it's the international thing, but specifically Europe. And I'm not trying to shit on Europe because, but it's just like a fact of the matter is we go to Australia and we do really well.

It's just kind of how it is. If you work in Europe, you're set for life. Yeah. And that's why it's like it is the great, it's the ultimate place, the pinnacle of live music. Yeah. I never did it. You know, I never made it work. It is not easy.

It's not easy. So Jake, you're the last, you good luck, buddy. All right. For the last. We're our only hope. You're our only hope. Ask him when the hidden by Ireland. Every reunion show is?

I'll fucking kill myself. That's my that's my first band. Oh my God. That's so embarrassing. Who asked that? Justin with a cactus. American rad ass.

Oh my God. That's Austin's wife's brother. God damn it, Justin. Got your raspberry. We got you, man. No, that was a, that band sucks. By every man? Yeah.

That's all right, man. Christian Medal. core. Oh, you were Christian? Oh, yeah. I was. Not anymore.

I'm good. When did you give it up? When I was towards the end of my time at New Deal, Texas. Nice. Because obviously West Texas is very Christian and grain. And I think it took me just kind of stepping away, stepping out for a little bit. And then just being like, yeah.

Plus, like, my sister is gay. And I didn't, that, that was a big, like, step out for me, too. So I was just like, you guys don't really. You guys don't really agree with her. I love her, so let me start thinking about this. Good for you. It's great. Beautiful answer.

Love that. How does he feel knowing his band will be dropping an album of the year in March? That's a big, that's high praise. Jesus Christ. It's going to feel real good. You know it. It's going to feel real good dropping an album. And March.

Yeah, exactly. All right. Love that. That's a good answer. Bo, you got a couple on yours, too, which is, let me go check. This is a great one. Would you rather get to eat as much pizza as you want every day and gain no weight but have to consume a 10 gallon bucket of glass per year?

Or no glass, no pizza, never, ever again forever. No glass and no pizza? Yeah. I'm going no glass, no pizza. I think I have to go to no glass, no pizza, but pizza I don't want to eat. I fucking love pizza. I love pizza. glass.

That's such a loss. You can have a calzone. I hate eating glass. I won't do it. I swore it off. Once you get like a callus going though. Yeah, but who knows? You know, first year you're spending like four months in the hospital.

But then by that time. Doctor, I have to do this. You don't understand. You don't understand. Have you ever? Have you ever had the garlic sauce at Papa Johns? Oh, God. I need it.

Amen. Here's a question. What's the size of your order? Small, medium, large. Guess? Take a fucking guess. Mia. That's a large.

I've never gotten anything less than large. And let me, let me, let me bring something up here. Morgan Spurlock, if you're watching this, it's on site with you, motherfucker.

You're the greatest enemy. Supersize me, ruined the world. He took away to the supersize. And now it's just a large because of this piece of shit. Morgan Spurlock. Kiss my ass and suck my dick, Morgan Spurlock.

I'm coming through you. It's on site. If you could play a villain in an action movie, opposite of an actor, of an action star, rather, of your choice. So you're the villain against any action star of your choice. Who would it be? Also, the movie can be a pre-existing one

or a new original story. Do a pre-existing one because that's more interesting. I mean, you want to be a Bond villain, right? Yeah, because you don't even need to be, I wouldn't even have to work out. Yeah, I wear a cool suit. I'm just in like an eye patch. Or I could be a Batman.

You could. I could be fucking Clayface or something. You know? You are Clayface. Nice. I thank you. I'll be the next. I'll be the next Joker.

You're the next Joker. That happened to my friend. Joe, Joe Collinson, yeah. That happened to my buddy Eric. I don't know my buddy Jake. This is really funny. What word do you still have trouble spelling or saying?

Dude. And we use it Guarantee. I fuck up guarantee I love guarantee It's a great one Can't spell it Occasion

I got occasion Business What did you say Jake? Business Business I love business A lot of mess

Because a lot of people A lot of people do booizness Oh yeah you're right Yeah you're right Necessarily is garbage Fuck yeah It fucks me up It doesn't make sense

Also And I'm sorry I'm not good at spelling restaurant. I still... Our aunt. Yeah. It seems like you should be like restaurant.

You know what I mean? People have a really hard time spelling judiciary and saying judiciary and my name, which is really simple. Jake, let me tell you a word that a lot of people can't spell very well. Tungs. Also twitching.

Twitching is twitching can people get tongues? First of all, I never envisioned in my life that I'd be saying the word tongues more than any other word in the history of the fucking dictionary. But Townges has been on more flyers than tongues. Townsend's bullshit, frankly.

Townes and Judicari need to play. Oh, God. That would be about piss me out. Ducari featuring lead screamist Jack Collins. You guys ever heard of Harm's Way with like the H and E? Oh God. Play protein, dude.

I like the harm's way, G-U-E-Y. That's fun. That's good. That's fun. That's good. People don't realize that harms weigh, the protein, we've been hearing since 2008. Dude. A new guy once a day is like, wait.

Wait a minute. Like the protein that rocks your ass. Oh, my God. That shreds your insides. And he's big. And he works out. Dude, I got to tell you, I've gotten at least five D. of the same genre

that will be like, you guys should do a tour with Harmsway and rotting out or some shit like that. Just like lifter guys. Over 200-pound tour. Totally. Yeah, thanks, dude. Crowbar headlining.

I'll take that one. Yeah, fuck yeah. Well, I mean, that concludes this lovely episode. That's two hours. This was fantastic. Zipped right by. I hope you all had a good time. We had a great time, Jake.

Thank you for joining us. I'm going to urinate my organs out. I'm going to piss for the rest of the night, I think. Jake, flesh and blood is out next month. Flesh plus blood. What's the date? March 10th. March 10th.

What are the singles called? Engulfed paradigm piercer and one more coming out. And sometimes. That's a weird song time. Okay. Yeah, that one's crazy. Can't wait here. That must be the closer.

Thank you so much. This is gone. One more coming out in sometime. Jay, thank you for being on. Thank you for all for listening. Check out judiciary, flesh and blood, closed casket, March 10th. Thank you so much.

Bye.