HardLore - Jami Morgan (Code Orange)

Episode Date: July 20, 2023

Colin and Bo sit down with friend of the show and Code Orange frontman Jami Morgan ahead of the release of their new album "The Above" to talk about the band's journey from childhood, working their way up to 2 Grammy nominations, polarizing their audience, and maintaining their integrity and their vision through the perilous world of extreme music. We've spent MONTHS collectively on the road touring with Jami and Code Orange and it was a blast to have him on the show and to be able to show the rest of the world the side of him that we know and love. Pre-order Slipknot "Live at Madison Square Garden" 2xLP: https://slipknot1.lnk.to/LiveAtMSG Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef This episode is brought to you by ATHLETIC GREENS! Try AG1 at athleticgreens.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1. Join WHATNOT with our special little link to get $15 off your first purchase. Get ready for the first ever Hardlore live auction TOMORROW, March 24th at 8:30 PM EST: https://www.whatnot.com/invite/hardlore Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW JAMI: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/morganjfaith FOLLOW CODE ORANGE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/codeorangetoth/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/codeorangetoth FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/codeorangetoth/ FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hard... Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx #HardLore #JamiMorgan #CodeOrange   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord time. How are you, Bo? I'm blending in with this couch, I just realized. You really are. That's disgusting. Shit. Mustard men, we are here live in Manchester United Kingdom for a very special in-person episode with a highly anticipated, long-awated guest, beloved friend of the show. Beloved character. I feel I've been buried a few times. No, no, no. That's the thing. Jostah buried me. What'd say? He said we should do the remixes. I forget. I love him. Well, do he also, do you remember the one thing with Justin you that I forgot to bring up on?

We'll tell that story for sure. That one is so good. I tell every person that. It's so good. But who do we got? More or less, this is our good friend, Code Orange Front Man, musical innovator, extreme music, science, mosh science, PhD, masters, chemistry, Breakdown Art degree Yeah, art down Breakdown art degree

Gallery opening guy Our very good friend Jamie Morgan Code Orange Thanks for having me Morgan Welcome Pleasure

Pleasure to have you Finally I'm happy to do it Me and Colin did an interview We can't it We didn't even have a damn thing to talk about We just got rid of it

We were just vibing Yeah It was just straight Viving a little too hard Oh like A little too hard I thought back and thought Not my current chest move.

You thought something's missing. Yeah, Bishop got taken there, Queen got fucked. Anyway, we were in the corner. We didn't fit into this situation at all. No. We're barely fitting into this one, frankly. I would like to say something. These two are not sinking the chair.

It's just for some reason the chairs that we're on have no bottom because we're in a certain land where things don't make sense. Where ergonomics are not. Willie Wonka is the prime minister. Willie Wong, yeah, he designed it. You want to sit down? He must stand up. There's so many things I have to wake up here and just try to like figure out. Like I'm in some one, like the vehicle we're in.

We're all walking like this. So already we're in like Tim Burton Fantasyland. I'm like walking around like this all. Now we're in this tiny room where all the chairs are like bent like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're just in like a fantastical village all the time. We just got to make it work, you know. We've been doing it just for a few times.

You've been doing it. You've been grinding nonstop. While we've been mostly sitting at home. Yeah. I'm in the ring. Are you okay? Yeah, you are. Are you okay?

I'm good, man. Good. I mean, I'm kind of, I'm hurting physically a little bit, but Joe actually has a big crack in his hip. Dom's got foot surgery just got. Yeah. So I keep hitting my head.

Fuck, yeah. What happened to Joe's head the other day? I wanted to ask you. At Hellfest. The bloody head. No comment. No comment? No comment.

You got to watch the video. a little too hard or what? He hard weighed. Oh, did he? Did he really? Yeah. It was real. It wasn't for the performance at all.

Okay. He had a blade in that armband or what? A monster. Monster branded razor blade? We're the biggest workers who ever laid. You really are. I'm not successful. At working.

Does that, do you ever feel that that has bit you in the ass? No, because we, are who we are. We, we, we, we're genuine about working what we do. We're just, you know, we all, we care for each other. We're pretty insulated. And what you see is what you get. Do you believe in, in going 100% every night? One thousand percent. I would, I will. So there's never, there's never like a thing where it's like, okay, we got Hellfest coming up. How many thousands of people watched? I don't, a lot. A lot. It was. good. They're huge. That was awesome. So, so let's say you're playing a local show before,

whether you did or didn't, let's just say hypothetically. You're playing a smaller show that maybe didn't, not that many people showed up. I know that wouldn't happen to you. It did just happen. But I, but I'm just saying, twice a fork. So there, so there you go. In this score. Yeah. So, so do you on those sets? Hardest possible. Really. I'll die up there. That's the only way to do it. It's not. It is. It's not. You should, it should be. I won't. I won't do it any other way, man. really, it's not on some like...

Because here's the thing. Think about the 10 Bulgarian kids that were here. No, no, no. I'm not saying just stand there. I'm just saying you don't got a hard way yourself. Oh. He did that. I mean, I honestly, I genuinely don't know

how he got cut, but I just know that all of a sudden if we're having a bad set, I look over and that fucker's cut. That's cool. And I'm like, I love this. If there's 10 people there, you give those 10 people something they will never forget. I'm not saying.

A hundred. Like, you never you will never guess what these. I'm not disagreeing with that, but what I am saying is if you have a set coming up where potentially 10,000 people can be watching. Oh, yeah. You don't necessarily want to break yourself before that. I know. Shoot your voice out. I know, but I just can't.

I'm addicted to it. He's addicted to suffering. I just feel, I just really want to give it. It's all we have. It's all, it's what we have. I really feel it's like we really take a lot of pride in being great life. Yeah. And not being great by just being sloppy and throwing ourselves around and doing front flips.

But I think we're really good at sounding good and being pretty tight most of the time while still really put in a lot of energy. You know, and that's what I really want to, I do genuinely want to give that at every show small or big. I come from the same school of thought with a band that believes in a very similar philosophy. And these knees are done. I know, me too. You know what I mean? So I just can't, I want people to be careful. No, blow them knees out.

Don't do it. Kill those knees for art. Let's go back in time. Let's go back in time. do we go back to the beginning of the origin of the band? Sure. Tell me about old scoffinger, Eric, how Code Orange kids came together when you were all the youngest lads.

So I had a band when I was like 12, and we even made a documentary, which I need to send you. Is that true? Yes, but it's not findable. I just watched it the other day. That's why this is fresh from my memory. Long story short, that band broke up. We literally played shows with like 40-year-olds when I was like.

like 12 years old. Like we'd play like clubs. Were you still coat orange kids? No, it was a different band. Oh, wow. So I did that band and it was like a three piece like Green Day. We actually, we would cover like Green Day. We would cover like the Ramones. We would cover like just any song, really, that existed pretty much. And we had our own songs and we made CDs. We were pretty over, honestly. I mean, honestly, people know who know we were over. Like we played shows. People went insane. The ladies were going bad shit. It was. It was, it was. It was, Anyway, long story short, we break up. I'm heartbroken already. Start the journey heartbroken right away. And then, yeah, I met Riba and a couple other kids and we just started a new thing.

We met Eric right away. And then we met Joe. Really? It all just kind of happened like that. Yeah. Joe didn't join the band playing until we were like 19. But we started when we were like 14. but he just, he was so dedicated that when we got out of high school, we were all, like, some of us are going to try to go to college. So three of us did. We moved to Philly. He wasn't even in the band. He wasn't even in the band. He was the Steve Zing to your Danzig.

There we go. Joe Goldman is Steve Zing. And he would Mosh and sell shit. That's Erie. Now Steve Zing was, was, was, grew up with Danzig and was like, I'm going to play in a band. Don't question him about Danzig. Well, I will because Erie Vaughn also. Same thing.

Danzik, Danz, you have many, you are Danzig, you have many guys. No, but dude, he was just loyal soldier, and so we lost people. I remember telling shade, I was like, we should have Joe join the band. And he goes, if Joe joins the band, I'm out. Oh, my God. Joe is crazy. Well, I remember the first two years of Code Orange, Goldman was not playing. Yeah.

He was just going hard as fuck, and that's why it worked. And I witnessed him. Witness this. Like fake playing, you're saying? Fake playing, but I also, no, what I saw was, there was a set of yours that was recorded. And before putting the base down, the set finishes, he goes up to the engineer and goes, oh my God. I've done that to Sunny like five times. Boy, you have to. I've literally gone at the sunny. I'm like, it disappears. That one is, go. It's gone. Gone. And he's always like, yes. He's cool

about it. I told him not to put something in from the E-Tit thing we played right before COVID, and he left it in. He doesn't have, he don't have his respect. I haven't forgotten. We're not for, you know, you ain't PA. No, just his number one. on most viewed clip. So what was after that? Fucking running gimmick. Fucking hell. What was after that?

You guys are gimmick central, man. We got the running gimmick, got the cast. We got it all. We're working the fucking net. We were working. What did you say? We're workers. You think you're the only workers, brother.

What was after, uh, so once Goldman joins, was Death Wish the first thing? No, so we like, we're from Pittsburgh and especially at the time, it was very insulated. And it's a very strange. mixture of music cultures, you know. So we, we just floated in this in between of basically knowing nothing about the outside world, which Colin can attest to. 100%. And while still being influenced, you know, by really heavy shit, hard shit, like punk shit, weird

stuff. You knew what you wanted, but you didn't know where to find it. So, yeah. So we did our own thing. We were on some real small labels. We booked our own tours literally out of a notebook calling people and how stuff Joe actually helped book our first tour. tours in this in in like the summer after high school or in high school i don't know when was high

school when did you graduate oh not when would it have been like i'm 30 now so when would it been probably 2012 10 11 yeah so yeah i just turned 30 so yeah congrats well making it's sucks dude you guys know 30's dope 20 you know it's we say this all the time 27 was the worst and then once i turn 30 it was like oh nothing matters i'm digging 30 we're good I'm about to be 32. Can you believe that? You're good. You're doing 36. These are probably the best.

This is the two best years of your run. I feel good. You're on top. But anyway, enough about me. So when did the, when, what, did you have demos? Like, how long were you putting out stuff before? Many demos. We were painting the covers.

We were drawing. It's all the same shit as now. Many ideas. But we met, uh, just to jump back. Like, we met shade just by like posting shit on MySpace. Any comedies like, I'm in your same high school. I like Scott. You love Scott.

met him the next day. Holy shit. He kind of did. He only really knew like Operation Ivy and like yeah. We didn't know what the fuck was going on. We like we were doing hardcore shows. We were doing punk shows. We were playing with the mensingerers in a basement.

We used to play with them in a basement like every weekend like at this guy's house. We would throw like parties like when we were 15. Then we were doing shit with my buddy, you know, who now runs the big venue in Pittsburgh preserving. He was driving us around. Just an amalgamation of strange things combined, you know, until we, you, kind of got spit out into the real world. And that carries through to today. Cycle 7 inch.

Exactly. Cycle 7 inch was before the first LP, right? Yes. We kind of had a little group of, we had this tape, and we had that 7-inch, and we had a split, and like kind of the same way we do now, they all had like kind of a threaded, continuity. The split song. Mm-hmm. With a, what was like a four-way split?

That's one of one. Dude, that song rocks. You like that song? Oh, my God. That was a tiger show and shit. Tiger's Draw. Oh, yeah. The fence and the world is a beautiful place.

Which was a good move doing that because you got them, dude. I didn't know. I just knew the people. And we were with, that's another one. We were with Tigers Draw every other weekend at this place in Ohio. And I became good friends with Adam from Tiger's Jaw. And so that, it was very organic in that way. And then we did the one with Full of Hell as well.

So right in that time period. And that all led up to that first LP. And then I think after the full of hell and the cycles one is when we went to death wish. Gotcha. So you were on first LP when at that first, this is hardcore, where we played back to back.

Mm-hmm. And that was where it was like I got a taste of you musically. Mm-hmm. And it was like, damn, they're pretty hard. You know, they're a pretty hard band.

I didn't expect that. Yeah. You know? I think I got a taste. It was you guys played the bottom lodge in Chicago, terror, backtrack. You guys,

that was much later, right? No, couldn't be. That was a later than, that was post-hound king. Maybe that was in the... No, no, no, it was before.

He's right. All that shit with terror we did was going into that record. They were, they opened. Because that was when... So you guys were outcasts from childhood to... Still are.

Well... 100% still are. Well, but there was a period. There was a period. It was literally a year. One year. No. I mean, one year and a half.

I was feeling the rummlings about a year and a half into it. I was like, it's over already. No, it was long ago. I can tell you just peripherally, it was like...

longer than that. But like, you guys were so undeniable at your craft that the people that outcast you cast you back in. It's like, get back.

It was like, damn, this band is, they're playing magic at the end of the back of the show, and then they go out and they're playing the hardest riffs of the night. I distinctly remember at that bottom lounge show, I like didn't really watch you guys. Friends were in town, blah, blah, blah, you know?

Then our tour. in Europe. We played Fluff Fest. The three of our bands played together. And I watched, watched you guys. And that was 2013. It was. And that was when I was like, oh, that was like my... That's right after that LP came out. So that all makes

perfect. That was the year where we really hit it off. And I remember the moment. Do you remember the moment? The New England thing? New England Metal Hardcore Fest. I watched them from the balcony. Yeah. Tears in my eyes. Are you serious? I'm telling you.

I wasn't alone in this. My jaw was gaped. For lack of a better word. Sean, control yourself. It was, I'm tearing up now. Yeah. Because I see these little, these little fucking forest nymphs. Yeah.

These little freaks. Yeah. These three shirtless guys and the coolest girl that's ever existed. Rocking. Dude. And then I'll never forget it. Because the part is on, I am king, but you play it differently than you did at the show. The dun dun dun dun.

Oh yeah, we were still working on it. Yeah, yeah. No, no. And it was, I remember just hearing that and being like, this is what they fucking sound like. Yeah, okay. I'm like, what do they like? Yeah, I remember that. Who is this?

We were starting to infuse at that point going into that record. It's kind of complicated, but we were, we were like infusing. Even that record has little bits of hard breakdowns, you know. It does. But it's, they're put in a strange. way, you know. And so we were playing with the idea of adding some simpler but hard elements in there as well. And so during the sets, we would just throw random parts into other songs. It was awesome. Just we would be practicing all the time. So we'd be practicing so much that it was

like we were trying to find stuff to do in the set. Yeah. That's one thing I would love to talk about is I don't know if people know how dedicated you guys. were from the rip. Thank you. From my awareness of you as a unit, I remember hearing that like nobody, like you guys just did the band.

How long has the band been like full time, full time? The day it started. Yeah. I mean, it's since I was 14. And like that's not hyperbole. No, you had a, you had a just like, a self assurance

that it was like, I'm going to do this or I'm going to die. Yeah. That is how I felt. That's kind of how I still feel in a different way. Would you, would you, yeah. Would you guys practice like, every day. Like if you're off of a touring cycle or whatever,

you're at home for a month. We would, yeah. You'd practice every day. Yeah. Because we just felt that we just always felt up against it in different ways. So it was always like, all right, we just need to be the best, you know,

and do what hopefully we did to him, which is like maybe make people peek through the glass window a little more and look a little deeper into it because they're just kind of like, whoa. This is something. They don't know what it is, but it's something. The performance was so visceral and different that I had to like just talk to them. I see. He did.

He came right up after the set. I've never done that. It was awesome. I was like, I have to know you. Interesting. Then we hung out all day, I think. All day, yeah. In Worcester.

In Worcester. I showed them in love. There's no law before it was out. We had literally no friends. Wow. Literally none. I need, I was like, I need to know all of you. And random other weird people.

Yeah, yeah. We had a circle of strange individuals, but they were like the one of the first bands from the more traditional hardcore scene, though their band is not traditional at all, obviously. Yeah, we know which. But they were involved in that. And it was cool. It was like we just wanted to, you know, wanted to make friends pretty much with like-minded people who are also kind of, I think we connected because they felt they were on the end, but on the out. Still are different now. in this moment, but they were on a similar path to what we were on in terms of people not necessarily

being able to look at it and take it at face value. There was, there are brief periods where people do, but the rest of it is kind of built by. And your band is sort of there. I would say it's a little different. I think maybe even solely because of James and stuff, something about that, but can't be that sexy and like, yeah, I don't know, I don't know what it is. There's nothing to get. But your band's in there too. There's parts of it that I would say we identify with. There's ebbs and flows. Yeah.

So just being like kind of feeling outcasted and then being able to kind of meet people who had a like mind, like some of the stuff we liked, some of the stuff we like, they were like, what the fuck are you talking about? So then I had to put you on. You know what it is? Absolutely. None of us were playing New York hardcore. It's really, I mean.

Not that there's anything wrong with our- We sure. We sure are not in this vein. But all like all three of our bands were not in this vein that, especially at the time. There was also no. metal core leaning bands except us and y'all and they weren't but it was a little bit of a different thing and there was incendiary kicking around doing a different style

of that but there was no bands that were young doing that. If you were weird in any way you were not on the main tours with the bands. Yeah. We didn't do a proper support tour until 2017. Who was that with? With like no warning.

Yeah. The life and death was our first like normal support tour. we did terror for 75 bucks and it was pretty hard it was dope right yeah it was probably awesome it was great i mean the first two weeks were hard but on that tour it was terror it was backtrack dan ceily from king nine was the merch guy yeah um all bunch of those guys were just there and the first two weeks no one said a single solitary word to us at all the whole time and then there was ice broken and then we all became really tight james white tallow broke the ice right yeah yeah what do you know you know can't talk about

but, ah, Basito code. Code of honor, brother. But, no, but, but, uh, but there was definitely a, hey,

moment, you know? Yeah, we're good now. Jimmy Brock Chin. And I'm still close with a lot of those people. Dan Seeley has basically kept up with us our entire path.

When I'm in New York, he's there. When we play Brooklyn, he's there. When we're literally doing stuff for the label, he came to eat with us in the label when we signed the label,

which is us, him and the label, like, and we signed the fucking shit. So that's one of my brothers. So we met some people that we've stayed martin from terror have i've stayed close with him

the whole time he just came to our show in l.A so some of those people we still stay really close with so it was a great experience then you had a statement to make with the next one and what a statement it was god did you and like straight up i was along with you for this entire ride you were all the way to the next record as well

because you came on it i literally either you were putting us on a tour i was putting you on a tour for the whole four things so I am king take place workshoping the title with you you showed us the record I remember in a van outside the bee kitchen

telling you not to cut Reba's hair for the for the album art brother don't go dirtier on me brother brother that's a brother warning strike one they didn't it's Goldman on there you know and that was that was the

perfect move yeah now we were just experiment the same way we would now with different ideas of how to we wanted to present and it's really not an image it's more we wanted to present like an aesthetic idea the same thing we do now

it's like so he used to make fun of me so bad for a while I'd be wearing and stuff during those times but we would you know we wanted to look different we wanted it to feel different to people I started to you know connect even before that we did as well

but in a different way but we connected like okay what do like a lot of the bands we like have in common okay they make this great music okay they have art that has like synergy to it and matters.

The way they look even kind of matters. For us, that's not everyone's path. And so we would consider those things in the process and think of like, okay, what are cool things we could do to kind of evolve it in hopefully a way that is really natural to what we all like and what we're inspired by, but also is like presents as a unit.

We don't want to present as not a unit because to me it's just like, I don't like that. When I see that, I'm out. I don't want to see bands personally. you know, that are just, it's like all different, you know, we don't have to be doing the same thing. We just will exist in the same universe.

Yeah, because we're on the same threshold. There is a fine line between that, which I agree with, and like anthrax wearing matching shit on stage or something. Shout out Scott Ian. No, it's an example. They used to wear the pentagram, you know, like whatever. That was also the thing I was always so confused with because we've always gotten shit for that stuff,

but I think we get shit selectively because literally I can point to almost like look at Slayer, look at typo negative look at anthax look at slip knot look at nine it's name a ban in the whole thing that anybody gives a fuck about it's just it's the uh it's the you guys yeah you did the same shit oh i'll gimmick up all day and them other guys on my left they don't be doing the same shit right you know what i'm saying so i feel like it's some it's an unspoken thing but i feel like it's part of it so i don't i don't you know you i mean it was always apparent that you there was never a second in the

history of your band that I was aware of where it seemed like you were like unsure of like where you were going it always seemed like whatever was coming out it was you already had the next thing step four of 10 you know like it was like yeah you're almost there kind of a thing that is kind of how I feel I appreciate you saying that I don't it's hard to know what people

like pick up on it as but I do think about these things in advance always I mean sure there was like you said there was always synergy with what the album art was, the videos were. You were one of the first people, first bands. I think I know who worked with Max Moore. You had pyro in your video? Yeah, a lot of stuff with that was his second video. His first ever video was his brother, his twin brother's who we toured with our first U.S. tour. That's how he met him. And then he did our video and he's done every one of our videos since. I think he did ours third, like after your one. That was

that was the My Control video. And that's probably, Why? He's great. He's like a video. He's like a video. He's like, I just worked with him recently. He's so talented. Awesome.

Um, but so like how does the, how did, do you guys have a fucking like whiteboard somewhere where it's like, all right. By the end of this in five years, hold on. By the end of this in five years, we're going to make a website where people have to figure out clues. But first, Joe's going to shave his head. You know what I mean? Like, how does that? It's not all so unnatural. There's a lot of things that happen organically.

course and everyone everyone has input on the direction it goes but yeah I don't even always cue everyone into everything because I think it stresses them out so it's better like in terms of again we're kind of speaking

without speaking but in terms of like certain elements of it it's not like everyone in the band always has to fully be because you don't want it to feel contrived and I'm always taking an input from them especially as we've gotten older, it's gotten so much better to where it's being built around what everybody really wants

to do. You know what I mean? Or like what they're telling me in our conversations, I try to find a roundabout way to get there for them as well. You know, when it comes to things aesthetically. You know, obviously music is a different story. But I think the, I have in my, I mean, on what we're doing now, I got four notebooks full. I got a picture board in my room. I got a whiteboard in my room. So, yeah. Jesus. But a lot of it's in my room. I mean, on, I mean, on what we're doing. I mean, on my room. I mean, on what I'm my head, but I write it all down and I keep things digitally and I keep things physically so that if anything like happens, I kind of have both. I started doing that two records ago because I got a if my iPhone notes app goes away, I got nothing. I have a lot of notes as well, you know, but

they'll just be things. I'll just kind of watch other art as like almost research. So way to do it. Books, movies. Whenever writing I I have the first instinct to like stop listening to things so I don't get like too inspired and subconscious to take something. And then I realized that like shutting myself off from the art I'm trying to make is like the worst thing. Like you need to be constantly consuming. It's a hard balance man because sometimes it can be really hurtful. Can't. So it like how dare you write that riff before me?

Yeah. There's a lot of man. There's so much like weird synergy in the air with things. And what I really try to do is like I try to pull things together. from opposite ends of the spectrum so that I feel pretty confident that the amalgamation we're gonna make or like our composite

will be have its own corner so that even if there's other things that end up coming out better similar it will be it'll have a place on its own because there's no way somebody's putting this together with that that's that's always that's kind of always been the way that I've thought about it what is what is the most out there off the wall thing

you've pulled inspiration from musically damn that's a good question I don't know I can tell you mine off the real Barry White Nice love it That's great Yeah I have heard you say that

It's a real thing You can get something Note for note Dude Into a hard I'll be watching movies in the theater And I will walk out And go into the bathroom

And write shit down Yeah yeah I do it man You do that too The His voice memo app Is it's a war zone The 6 feet deep bridge

Is Batman Superman score Dude I got fucking buried after we watched Batman and Superman. Because I said the fights were pretty good. The movie's awesome. Okay.

Movies awesome. The ultimate cut. I'm gonna brother shake you. It's awesome. I'm gonna brother shake you because I don't agree. The movie's awesome. But I'll say this. The fight is fire.

And I remember being in the parking lot with my boys and I was like, well, Batman and Superman fought. That was pretty good. We haven't seen that. And they were like, what the fuck are you talking about? I was like, they fought in it. The theatrical cut is not great. But the ultimate cut, the three hour version is great.

It looks better than the full. I just saw the flash. Oh my God. What were they doing, dude? Fucking hell. It's, it's shade could have made it. So,

I wish you did. It might as well made the flash, man. Jesus. It's gonna look. The flash looks like what's on the screen behind us tonight.

100%. It's just video game guys. Okay. So I am king comes out. One thing that I've actually always wanted to ask you was, and something that I don't know of any other band, especially in our world.

Our world doing is switching lineups. switching around, moving around. We'll get to the later one, the more recent one. But at that time, that was like kind of wild to put Goldman in the center. Oh, right. Who isn't singing, who's just spin kicking like a motherfucker. Shade was still playing guitar fully. And Reba singing and playing guitar and you still singing and playing drums.

Like, was that just a like, we got to do something different? Was it something that was like, did Reba feel like stepping aside? Did it make just more sense staged logistically to have Joe in the middle? Well, he had a certain kind of energy that we thought could bridge the gap between myself and the crowd. So it was like we were trying to work in conjunction. So you're moving forward. It was like me. It was like the three of us especially were one person.

You were sending him. Because I am the signal. I don't know if it's because I am. But you know what I'm saying? That was the I. The royal eye. Yeah. We are.

Yeah. And that's what, that's what we were a unit. Real, real roster type. mentality. But just from a logistical perspective, it was like, we can't, I can't connect with the crowd properly. I can talk and I'm writing the lyrics and I'm, so that makes sense for me to do one thing, but he had a physical presence also at the time that I thought was like very odd,

but also really unique. Very unique. And she had one as well, but it didn't so much suit in that spot. So we shuffled up and then every time we go into a new thing, we're really never thinking like let's change the lineup again. We're just like, okay, how do we get an inch closer to connecting the way that we want to connect based on like what the music is? How do we just tweak the whole thing a little more to be better?

It's just always about trying to be better. That's usually our mentality. And I don't think everyone in my band would think of it that way for sure. There's definitely different perspectives. But for me, it's like what's the best thing? What's like what's the void? Fill the void. Whether it's in music or whether it's in.

our own internal performance. Yeah. How do we bridge that gap? Yeah, I love that. I love that. Did you ever think of the weirdest thing you've ever pulled inspiration from? I genuinely can't, brother.

It'll come to you. Give me one wacky thing where you were like, I'm telling that. I was walking around Home Depot and you'll hear the song as our entrance music. I heard a nice little song playing as our entrance. It's our entrance, so you'll see.

Okay. It was a running image of that. How long did, touring on? I am King. Now was the Twitching Tongues Code Orange tour that took over the world

was that I am king? Oh yeah it was and boy Let's talk about that Good God dude We played the Chicago Finally both had crowds First time ever

And we played the Chicago show So I saw it I saw a snapshot Of that time period Where everything kind of Van diagramed You know It's crazy how much bigger

The shit is now Just in general But at the time Like even what we were doing It was like I felt like Even the promoters I can't believe

There's people here I know Just like overall Building up rooms. Yeah. Those rooms were there's actually people. It was that, that, like, that was me witnessing like, oh, my God, this is, there. Like, that was a co-headlined.

You fucking killed it too, though. For no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was our best door for sure. You killed it too, because we had a similar, the crowd had a synergy. Did. And there was lots of people that you were bringing in the door who maybe had heard that we were catching fire, but really didn't know, like, what the deal was. So I felt, I didn't feel that way. I felt like, were we kind of hot at the time?

Yeah. But at the same time, your sets were always killer. But I'm just telling you, objectively. What I witnessed on that was like, I was like, I am watching the rise of the great white shark, you know, coming to eat the rest of the world. Power, it's raw power. Could not believe it. And the record, the record was so good that that, it was like, this record is so good, this tour it has to be good. That's awesome.

And, like, still thinking about the pit part. on I'm King. Scary. Some of the, some of the best modern mosh parts ever really. I think we brought back also the, which I'm not advocating necessarily. I know you have a gimmick of it,

but we brought the violence back to the crowd. Yeah. Like, there was a period where people were ready for it so it crescendoed at the right time. But for some reason our band, I felt like. I can tell you why. Yeah.

There's no frontman. Yeah, that's part. That might be part of it. So it was like, I have to go hard as fuck because I can't. You and, cord orange and nails, you cannot sing along to. You can only beat ass to. So it would get crazy. There was a couple years there where it was, it was borderline stressful.

It was like every show was very, was, and people weren't so used to it as they are now. It's not like now where I walked, like me and my buddy, Joe Sanderson from Eternal Sleep. I remember like four or five years ago or more. We were watching that band Lifeless and we were watching a guy go to the crowd and he was just, punching people right in the face and we were both like we were like that like even in Pittsburgh people mosh hard but they wouldn't i wouldn't just look you in the eyes and punch you yeah right because that's called fighting yeah so it would be a little swagless we were both like what's going on but it had something had crescendoed to where it was a little before that even and it goes in cycles of course it's been like

that in the past yeah but people there would be a lot of fights too there was it was there was just a lot of chaotic energy and then the funniest part is i feel like you pan to the stage and you look at who's up there. Yeah. And we're all wearing like rags. Remember the rags era? We're wearing Goodwill. Like just anything like striped.

Yeah. Just like and I'm just I loved. At the time I loved that juxtaposition. I was like I loved the idea. It was cacophonous. It was visibly cacophiles. It was cool. The,

the moment of good dear friend Brody King beating ass and becoming semi-viral at the time. Yeah. With the jerseys were happening. That was like, this is hardcore. That was your, this is hard for. Oh, yeah. I walked those jerseys around to everybody, dude.

Yeah. Like, again, and this is a very Pittsburgh thing. I remember on our first tour, my buddy who runs a venue, who's one of my kind of like old heads, he gave us our seat. He brought us in a corner. We were doing terrible. This before we knew anybody.

And he gave us all the CDs. And he was like, you were going to go up to every person in here and try to sell, like, homeless people, and sell them the CDs. And until we sell every CD, we're not leaving. And we went and we sold every one of those CDs. Wow. And I would take that mentality.

So like with the jerseys or with the, I would, we would just do stuff. We would lose money on that. I'm like, I'm going to get these fucking jerseys on everybody because then when we, when we do this shit, it'll be a thing. And it was. And then it was a thing. And we would utilize that mentality in different ways, you know, because it wasn't, there was natural movement, but no one was coming to pick us up from Pittsburgh and get us over. Right. We had to get ourselves over.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Had to. It was due or die. And you did. I really think you are the example of that because even, you know, love you as I do. You're from a place where if a band gets made, people are going to watch. Yeah, yeah.

And his brother was in a band that was popping as well. But at the same time. He made his own kingdom as well. Don't take that. You know how long it took us. Of course I do. Home was last to catch on. But there are a lot of bands.

There's seven shows a night. You know, you got to compete at constant. But yes, absolutely. But being from from Pittsburgh Yeah, yeah You know It's tough It's tough

You did it When that was all going up Were you already planning For forever? Oh yeah Oh yeah I mean it was sick I was going

By the time it came out I mean by the You already had the red color scheme Oh yeah I mean I tweak it It's not I'm not gonna be on That's true

I don't shit I tweak the fuck out of it I don't have like I'm not sure That this is the thing It's like I have the pieces Yeah

And I utilize the tools around me and my bandmates 100% in every way people around me friends i remember some alternate album titles yeah exactly so i mean there's i float things and i'm not always right and a lot of times not right but i i try to i have the pieces i can see the idea right and that's something that's something you know i don't have the finished product always but that one was an easier one to figure out the second one because you kind of knew what worked i like that you call it the second one yeah or the third one that's the prequals to me.

That's episode one, two, and three. That's the old shit. We're the same way. Where the reality approaches is the prequel. I changed the name for that reason. It wasn't even because necessarily the kids element. That factored in, but it was more so like... Different art style.

That was really the primary thing. I was like, we need to do a different art style. And I figured which we have done and are continuing to do, we would bring some of the things from the early stuff back around eventually. It was like, with the first one, I thought. We'll rebuild the house real basic and we'll build the foundation and put the dirt in and start to build it So then we can go back and rope them back into what we were doing before You know what I mean?

Not that I didn't love that shit. I did, but it was like simple a little bit more a little bit more That's been the plan and it works sometimes. It doesn't work sometimes But you know we had to rebuild the house it had come to as it was going as far as it was going to go You know what I mean? So that was the plan was bleeding on forever? Yeah, oh yeah So that was for me, when I, like, I love grunge and alternative stuff. You too. I love Allison Chains. When I heard that, it was a very exciting thing for me as like your friend.

You know what I mean? Like regardless of music, I was like, oh shit, they did something like seriously out of the box. They went from like writing an amazing hardcore album to writing like a famous rock song. Yeah. Not so famous, but. Oh, come on who he asked. I mean, it had to be the most played for a long time. If he asked Connor Hurst-Helmsley, he'd say it's famous.

Hey, at the time, it's all about at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't really think too many other people were doing that. No, no. That's what. I don't know. Grammy nominated. Pardonness interruption.

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Huge day for aggressive rock music. Back to this episode. First Grammy nomination. Yeah. One forever. Yeah. Tell me about that day. I was happy. That's one of the few days of my life I've been having. And today, of course.

Today is not. Right now at this moment. I love doing this with you. You're good, dude. No, but yeah, I was happy. I was like, okay. Box checked. Some achievement unlocked.

I'm sorry. Did you record? forever with Will? No, what happened was, you can record it. The true story, and he'll be down with this, is, you know, we recorded it with Kurt Ballou. I didn't properly communicate to him as we were doing it, what it was really going to be in the end.

So we did the band. We get to the end of that. And I'm like, brother, there's a whole, another half of shit. We're going to have to chuck on this thing. And he was like, what? And I was just like, he's like, we're out of time. He's like, I got to wipe the physical board for the next band coming in. And I was like, pause.

Don't. So me and shade. And I don't know, maybe me and Joe, actually. I called Will, who I had met through doing our Adventures album. And I was like, dude, if we drive to Philly right now, it was like the middle of the night. Could we make something that's like a template that will send to Kurt that then he can copy the mix off of in terms of the leveling of everything? And Will was my brother was like 100%.

He's the man. Drogo there in the middle of the night, did that, sent it to him. He put it together, and then he was like, I'm wiping it off the board. It's done. We're like, all right, sorry. Actually, Reba had to ask him because he said no to me. Yeah. Reba went in for the soft.

Come on. The puppy dog guys. Went in like a soldier. Wow, unbelievable. But that wasn't his fault. It was just, I wasn't good yet. I actually think what we're doing now, I'm a lot better at it, like, communicating the ideas to the people who are going to be helping do them instead of just like as we go kind of

And then we'll do this. And then we'll do this. So, like, you had a rocket attached to the band from I Am King. What was touring on the follow-up, which is really hard to do. A follow-up that's successful. But it was very... A follow-up that was way more successful, right? Yeah.

So what was that, like, what was touring on that, like? What were the changes you were seeing? It was good and bad. The stuff we did by ourselves was awesome. We dipped our toes into, like, the support world. And we had a couple that were just really hard because we were first playing to nobody. Yeah.

And it was tough. Doors at 6.30s at 6. Do not realize that when you get on some of the bigger tours, not naming names, sometimes you're playing when doors open. That's what we did on one of those tours. We played when the doors open. So we would play sometimes to 5 or 10 people. Jesus Christ.

So it just gets her mind going in a certain way. And we had some great shows. What's really interesting about that period is like we did that run. And then me again being like thinking forward, I was like, okay, we need to make the next one. And so we really buckled down early, probably really earlier than we should have. Because again, we did the Mayhem Fest

where there was a stage of, there was a stage of Victory Records bands and Victory had paid to put them on. So we played at 11 a.m. and everybody else played after us the whole tour. So we would be, and it was a bus route at tour, we were in a van. We were sleeping in the van and the parking law,

waking up playing to nobody selling nothing. That one burnt us a bit. That was on I am towards the end of I am king actually Oh okay Then you know we get forever Put some really cool mixed stuff together We had shows we did two forever tours One had like lifeless and then like Nicole Dallinger

Yeah, youth code and like laid duress In vain when they first started And then one had twitching ghost main Was on with a phase So I was trying to like put those things on that was awesome That was cool right And so we did that And then yeah, we were like, all right, time to go again, get back in there and make something classic.

And then we really put our nose to the grindstone and we were ready to just come out with it and then COVID. So we took like, oh my, we got to talk about that. Please. That was underneath, right? That's the third one. I think you guys are like the biggest victims of the pandemic. Like, like as a matter of fact. 100% factual.

Like the way I know firsthand. seen what you put into an album personally and as a band and to have like I can't think of a band who had more taken away from them because there were others at the time I remember Knocked Luce had put out a record

but they got to tour Acacia Strain had put out a new record they got to tour like a lot were like lucky March 13th baby Yeah the day the world shut down I want to know why I go It's got to come out on Friday the 13th because the last one came out on Friday the 13th.

And then we got Friday the 13th to fuck. And I will never put out an album on Friday the 13th again. So the plan was to have a hometown record release show. What was the cap of that venue? 1,200. 1,200 people, hometown show. Yeah. The most stressful.

Because if those don't sell. Oh, my God. It's the worst. We sold that fucking thing out. And believe me, I know that that felt good. So what is the time, like how quick did you? you have to pivot from a normal show to one of the coolest things.

You pioneered the live stream era of music. Kind of made what we're doing. I don't know. We really. Oh, thank you. I really appreciate you guys saying all that stuff. It got me into Twitch,

which got, well, I was already into Twitch, but it got me. Yeah, yeah, of course, but then it kind of,

you know, he helped me with that. Domino effects got us here. I can name some other domino effects as well. I'm sure. that are even more interesting where it's not like hatership

and I'm just like wow I genuinely feel like that's life but there's some stuff where I'm like if we didn't do that like this big thing that I know

I know would never have happened because of that. That's why I bit my that's just life that's why I bit my tongue about bleeding in the blur dude there's all kinds of shit I mean that's what I can't

this is the thing about me that's been I've had to learn it's like I can't want deeply to innovate and then also always be mad

that we did because innovating creates doors for other people. And I do feel like we've, I feel like we've been able to create doors for other people for sure. I don't think anybody can deny that. Thank you.

And there's times where that can be really frustrating because when you're in a band like mine or he can relate to this too, there's been good periods for us. We did sell that show out, but we've struggled the whole time. We always struggled for every ticket, every sale. We never had a tour,

the tour sold out. Or the records. So I'm crazy. It was like, okay, it did pretty good. Like, how do we get to the next thing? It's always a lily pad. We've never had one single solid. The biggest jump we ever had was from zero to 200.

I am king. Every other jump has been a stitch by stitch by stitch. And so we're kind of exposed in that way. You know what I mean? Like people, it can be difficult, but what was your, what were the fucking saying? March 13th, you find out that no one can physically come to the show. Yeah. Your hometown sold out record release show for the,

fourth but third record. How quickly do you have to go from normal show to calling Sunny getting the live show shit figured out? Called Sunny that day. Like that morning? Two days. Because I was holding on a hope the show was going to happen. And me and Andy from every time I die was supporting us,

which is a really big thing at the time. And they were still probably more popular than us, but they were doing it. Doing the job. Some brother shit. Yeah, yeah. And so Andy and me were trying to, well, maybe we could do it outside. We were still trying to figure it out.

When that died, I was like, all right. So let me think. And I was talking to my mom. And my mom was like, you need to do something that you film. Like, and I was like, mom, you don't know how this shit works. Wait a minute. That's impossible. And I hung up and I was like, and I called Sonny.

And he was the first person I called. And I said, could this be possible? He said, yeah. I called the label. Love the label. But they were just like, I don't fucking know. But I was like, if it can, is there anything you can do that? Could we have some money?

A little bit. But not, but not really. Not really. So called the local promoter. Reba started calling people. I remember we were all at practice. We sat outside. I remember it the same practice base.

And we all split off on our phones and started calling people. And then Shade had made this, sorry, Shade had made this whole visual show for the tour because we were going to have screens for the tour. And so we were like, okay, like, that's the key. We need to find, like, somebody who can cut that stuff into the show. Yep. And then I brought the idea of like,

and then the kicker is we show the empty arena. We do it like wrestling. Because I'm a, I'm a big wrestling fan, the OG, to be honest. No, I'm just kidding.

You know I've been there. I saw Jericho debuts. He were like 10. It's fine. I'll buy my life. They were flying a WrestleMania and shit when they were a little. I seen the picture with you and AJ Lee.

Dude, do you have a picture of me in front of a wall mural of Bray Wyatt? And it's me, Reba and Joe. We're just big fans. and we were like had the shittiest seats and we just outside took a picture in front of the wall

that was the closest we were getting to the whole thing and I still have that picture but Full circle. Regardless so we thought MT arena match style we'll do it and then I was like I'm gonna cut a promo and we'll show the crowd that was part I was excited about because that's how I am I was watching it at Harm's Way practice

I was literally watching your stream because we were writing for the next record and then we stopped because of COVID yeah because nobody knew what the fuck you know No, actually it was for It was practice for Europe We were going to Europe That rules

And it got canned that same time period That was such a crazy Yeah It was cool man I'm really pleased with how I was really It was our people All put it together to our squad of people

I couldn't believe you pulled it off And especially like Getting For those of you don't know Getting money out of labels Is almost as difficult As getting a fucking all-axis pass This shit

But it is It is impossible You know what I mean It just doesn't happen. We didn't get, and, well, one, that leads to the A&R guy who signed us and helped us with a lot of that stuff. Though we didn't really spend a lot of money doing that, to be honest, because a lot of it was, you know, some of it fed back into the show. It was the tour, right? But, and that guy, that's why I'm still with that guy.

And, like, as he left Roadrunner and started the thing we're on now, who I left right with him. Yeah. We're the only band who left right with them. I mean, that shit matters, you know. Loyalty. I have a funny anecdote. about him. I saw him at the turnstile Grammy thing and I heard I was looking at him I was like oh that's the guy that signed code orange and I hear as I'm passing by you know I signed code

orange again I think that's what he was talking about he signed us turnstile gojira trivium he was slip knots guy he signed he signed oh he's a legend he's a legend and and not just that he was there for us. Yeah. And so we're getting a little dirt sheet with all of it, but this is, you know, the guy with us at Roadrunner. We're now on a new label called Blue Great Music. He went and started that label with the founder of Roadrunner Records, a guy named

Case Wessels who also owned Blue Great merch. One of the shirts coming back? We're working on it. That's sick. I might have some blanks I can donate for measurements sake. We're doing it right. All right. And I've been really trying to be adamant.

And I think that you should be involved for sure. in some way because you're a big time. You brought all that shit back. That's true fact. That's a, I mean, that can be traced. That is a fact. It's a fact. 100%.

So. Out for blood. Well, I want to talk about WWU stuff. Oh, yeah, please. That was in between Out for Blood, right? Working with Bray. We did one before during forever. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And then we did one recently, and we played on WWE twice. Yeah. Bleeding was NXT, Brooklyn. And then we did underneath. That was another day. where I just cheered up. You know? Was that the one with Alistar at the time?

Yes. Yes. And Brennan from Incendiary. Right. My brother. I remember that guy. And then you did The Fiend. Yeah.

Intro, right? That's what it's called. Whatever it was his theme. I had a name for it that they, I just think, deleted. Yeah. So I don't know. And we had art for it that they certainly deleted. Yeah.

And we got a cartoon scratch drawing as that was sitting on our Spotify. Oh, you hated that. Oh, you hated that. I do. Every day I was like, just, just, I'd rather give it the song away than have to look at it anymore. And then they took it down, right? I didn't ask for that, but they did. What was, I mean, let's talk to full circle.

Yeah, like, what was that like? I messaged them. Really? He followed us, a message him, and I just said, we're the ones. I knew he was off TV because I have, you know, I've followed that stuff pretty deeply like my entire life, essentially. So I knew he was off TV. I knew he would be re-packaging. for sure.

Like, it just made sense. Just listening to Meltzer and shit. So then I fucking used my Meltzer knowledge. Messaged them and was like, we're the ones, brother. And he said, oh, well, I'm talking to X, Y, Z. But, like, if that doesn't really work out, like, I love your guys of shit.

And I was like, we know. We the ones. Yeah. So, and then we got in there, you know, and we just went and recorded it guerrilla style, both of them. Yeah. Oh, really?

Both songs you record with no permission. Wow. And with no budget. For free. Will Yip recorded that one for free. Tell me. Who's also a wrestling guy? I just called him.

I was like, dude. Yeah. Actually, we did a lot of it on the computer and he did the drums. He plays the drums on the song. Right. Right. So, yeah. Good drummer.

Crazy drummer. The man's a savant. Yeah. Secret weapon. Um, yeah, that's, that's outstanding. What was... You open the door for me, I would say. To what?

For wrestling themes, dude. Oh, themes? Yeah. Now, I love that you're doing themes, man. That's fun. I'm very proud of you. What was... What was Hunter?

like, oh, dude. God. Yeah. I mean, I have pictures of me and Hunter in the ring. I know. I used to stand in line and meet Hornswoggle. I have stood in line and paid $150 to meet Hornswoggle. $150 for Swagg.

To get to access. They've ever been to access and ain't cheap. Wow. I've stood in front of pictures of these people. I never went to a wrestling show closer than like the 200s until I was doing it. Yeah, yeah. Like I went. Just looked me dead in the eye.

and said horn swamble. I waited to meet these people. I would like... Yeah, no, no. I say that to say, I took in every moment of it, but I've met him like four or five times now. Is it crazy every time?

The first time was awesome because we were at this practice space, practicing waiting for him, and he fucking shows up and watch us practice. And he's just like... My best friend, Tyler, who has a band called Pain Clinic from Pittsburgh, check him out.

He's really the OG of this wrestling shit. everybody you hear, even including my brothers right here, using the lingo, they don't know, but it can't, he was using the lingo and it spread like wildfire to meet, which spread like wildfire to every now we all use it. And some of, we got even wrestlers, literally wrestlers in the fucking shit. So it's beautiful.

But I want to give him a shout out. So I brought him, I called him the day before, dude, you got to get down here right now. He, like, call it off work. And he's just like standing behind Triple H, like, you know, trying to like smell them or whatever. And he hears the guy go to Triple H and go,

and we could change anything you need to want and H just goes He says it's fucking perfect It's fucking perfect And he's rocking out And he's rocking out And literally I was like Oh dude that that's fucking crazy

And then we got to go to him In your house no fans So we're just hanging with him the whole fucking time And he's saying to Goldman Do this And Goldman's like Fuck yeah He does it on the camera

And he said he called Goldman He's like you kind of look like Brock He said that to Goldman We've been saying that for years Triple H said that. Wow. So we, we, it was a dream. And then I sat in the ring with them and my friends were like TMZing the picks and getting all the secret picks.

And he told me about how to keep my hair wet during the set. What is it? Which is. Now everyone's going to do it. Here's what it is. It's called the worker spray. You get a little bottle. I've seen water.

You put baby oil. Yeah. Then you get the leaving conditioner. So you water baby oil, leaving conditioner. And it will stay wet. And that was, I had one. chance to ask one question and I said hunter how do you keep it wet because you're you're doing 40 minute broadways yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean and that's how people don't know so I was a water bottle water yeah

and living the wrong lifestyle it's six minutes in it just goes yeah it just dry because you dude I actually read a red it asked me anything with Seth raw or with Seth Rollins and someone asked how does Roman keep his hair wet and all Rollins said was bottle of water so oh work Well, I'll do some... No, no, no, I believe you. I'll do some funny bleeps. I'm so... The bleeps, the bleeps will be good.

We'll keep it. Roman can do whatever he wants to do. The water might work for him because God's looking. Yeah, God says he's... We've said it on the show before that Samoans are actual gods on this earth. Dude, he's got that beautiful. But H. I knew was putting shit in there. And I just had to find out.

And he told me, man. And ever since then, I have my spray bottle right over there. Me, Max, we all call, me, Max, and Dom, we all say we're wet guys. Because there's a lot of dry guys on stage. I'm a definitely wet guy, but I was always water bottle. If you're dry, that guy. Dry. You're not on top.

I'm sopping wet, dude. You look like Marv getting electric. 100% up. Dry guys to me, I'm disgusted. Yeah. I see you go up there dry. Like, you need to be wet before you get up. Yeah.

I'm wet now. First person. I'm wet right now for the interview. We're both wet for the interview. I ever saw do that was human furnace. And I was so young. I was like, what the fuck is this like metal. Why is his hair wet?

Yeah, I didn't get it. Oh, man. And now I do. I took many years to figure it out, but I don't know how we got to the spray, but. Okay, so big jump then. I would say thematically and aesthetically from forever to Out for Blood. To underneath. Excuse me.

I'm sorry. Underneath. See, I disagree. I disagree. When I, like, the shock and awe for Out for Blood to me didn't make sense. Because I felt like it would. a natural continuation of underneath. I didn't say musically.

Oh, thank you. Oh, aesthetically. But to his point, most people would say what you just said is true. Like most people feel that it's a,

that's a really strange jump. And that's thing. And I don't, I don't get that. No, no, that song could have been on that record. Totally.

Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, I guess I give people, one, if you don't like the song, just for,

I completely get that respect. But what I'm saying is, I guess because of what, we talked about earlier, we talked about having a whiteboard and a photo board and notebooks. I see everything as one big thing on one big wall. So when we did that song, to me, I felt like, well, this is, clearly people are going to understand this is one thing we do.

And it's take, we took that one thing up a notch. And we're even aesthetically, we're taking a certain thing to the end of its road. Right. Even the lyrics are tongue in cheek, not in saying that I don't love the song, I love the song but it's almost goading it's like you know what you want to do you know cut our throat you know what i mean so that was you know a miscalculation in this way nobody understood that at all they will but i love i love the song dude when we play the song live it fucking goes insane that's what i'm saying when i saw it it was the craziest thing at after shock it was insane we just don't have

currently the platform for it sure so our shit was still going out to the same fish bubble and that bubble does not want to hear it. That bubble... They're in this weird age where the bubble we're in this weird age where the bubble we're talking about, here's a thing that they don't directly relate to and they go, okay, fuck everything they've ever done that I loved an hour ago. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely got some of that. But again, I think we're kind of built for it because behind the scenes and in front of the cam, both ways.

we've been having dealing with this shit forever. It's true. There ain't been a year of my life I wasn't dealing with this shit. Some of it's my fault. Some of it's not. Some of it's this, that. But when that happened,

it just feels like, oh, this is just my life. This is just what always happens. Like, not in a positive way, but I wasn't like, I wasn't crushed. I was hurt because I felt, I thought, man,

I felt like we had given these people enough art that they could see that and understand, like, where it fit in and be supportive. because I see other things that to me are so much softer, so much weaker, so much more processed, so much more underthought that everyone's fine with. Not only are they fine with, they're doing front flips off the stage to it this weekend.

Yeah. But so it confuses me. But it's also, I've always been like not, I don't think I'm fully in touch with that, whatever that thing is. you know that changes every day yeah right and I'm just

I follow my compass and we did out for blood because we knew what we're gonna do now we knew what we'd do in between and we had it there was a plan and it's but at the same time

if you don't like the song I would 100% respect that but we were pulling like to our thoughts on the song we love fucking Dragula we love fucking walk even we want just like an ass beater like

anthemic to a point upbeat song that doesn't have like a pop long chorus like a lot of this shit has that people are cool with. Because that's kind of the sound now that everyone's cool with. To me, that's disgusting. So what I thought, what we had done all is like, we walked the right line like this.

And then, you know, it's okay. It happens. This coincides with another lineup change, a big one where you come from behind the kit. I mean, it had already happened. I did that for underneath. But we skipped it is what I'm saying. So along in this period, I'm going to lump the two together just for a conversation and say you come from behind the kit

shade is full on Keeman. Keeman. Dom had been joined. Oh my man That's my boy. That's my best friend. So it's a major, I would say that's a major change. Yeah, stepped up up front. You stepped up. Well the record we made, so we played some shows over here supporting bands and they didn't go well and we were like

why. Like the music makes sense and I knew that for that fan it was the right music but we couldn't connect and we too far away and they just couldn't understand it. Wow. And so that factored into it and then we started making, for instance, like swallowing the rabbit hole. Yeah. And I was like, motherfucker, I can't drum this barely and I can't drum and sing it for sure.

Yeah. And if I do, I can practice and get myself there, I believe, but the show's going to suck. Yeah. So then Shade was like, dude, step up. Let's go. This is what we do. Like, it was, it was like, let's shake it up. Like, it's time.

And I was like, oh, God, I don't know how. Because I had done some guest spots and just done a really bad job. job. But then I figured it out. And as you'll see tonight, I genuinely feel I can do it now. You're engaging. You seem like a natural. You're a frontman. Thank you. You were a behind the kit frontman for a long time. And it took me a little bit. I feel like the period was brief when we first started doing it to connect to those things and to bring my personality back. But now I feel so myself up there, or like at least the stage version of myself, I feel so like free. I just feel like I could it feels so good, you know,

especially shows like how this one's going to be. It's really fun. That's really good. We're at new album. Yeah. You got Max Portnoy on drums. Yeah. Drum royalty.

Yeah. Is he dope? He's a greatest kid of all the time. I would have never put him in. Greatest kid of all time. That's a magnet on someone. So we had another kid who's a great kid. Shout out to him, but he just wasn't really, he was drowning.

Okay. And he felt very, um, I could tell he was really stressed out. and he wanted to stick in there for us. He's a good kid. But I gave him the door. I was like, brother,

it's all right. Because we were practicing a lot and we're taking it really serious and it's life or death to me. That life is not for everybody. He was like, dude, he was like eating McDonald's once a day

just smoking like a pack of sigs and he was just like, you know what I'm saying? But again, I love the kid. He's awesome and he's a killer drummer. Great drummer. Oh,

Burt, my bad. So then, called Max and got the names from John. Jay Weinberg, slip knot, my good friend.

Another reason this show is. Thanks, Jay. Thank you, Jay. Helped us out a lot in many ways. And he's the fucking greatest. We put him in a mass to give him some test and see how it went. You know,

give him a little test. Sure. See how it would cut. Didn't want to put him in a weird position. Yeah. Didn't want to put ourselves in an exposed position. Mm-hmm. And now he's free.

So. I like that. The mud man is free. He's born. I know there's some like deep lore in there for you for why you do that. No, who cares. All right.

Tell us about your new record. We're still working on Wednesday's coming out. Whatever you want. Yeah. Could come out next week. Come on two weeks. Let's promote the new album. Let's say it's coming out soon.

There's an announced album that has not been announced at this time that will be announced in a couple weeks with a video. Oh, perfect. What we've done thus far is we put out two songs that are kind of like some red meat shit to get over here and rock. And kind of show a little bit of the underbelly. of what it is we're doing. Not again. And we're going to really start to roll out the vision and the full vibe of it. There's always a plan, you know, so moving on to the next chapter.

So are you, so that being said, are you already thinking about what's next? We got a whole plan to do. There's a lot coming from us. I mean, we've been working on the same shit for three and a half years or so. So we got a, we got. writing for this was during COVID. Yes. Wow.

We started what we're doing after the third live stream. Really? All the way till now. Okay. Till we put it out. You've been cooking. Since 2020.

Wow. Wow. And yeah, we've maybe made some mistakes in terms of we've been on the shelf a lot because of that. Sure. Because I guess the art element to me is really important. And sometimes it's like maybe that's not that important anymore in general. At least,

it is important in music. don't know if in heavy music necessarily people really care they just want some shit but i do it the way i do it i'm going out on my fucking shield and that's it we do it we do it what are your thoughts on album sequencing i mean it's everything i live and die for it interesting i'd rather there's a whole school of thought now that i'm sure you and will have talked about where it people listen and digest music with playlist so much that you got a front load the the a side you have to front you have to front load the A side or that it doesn't matter at all. You can obviously do it for the vinyl.

That matters forever. But very few people consume music with vinyl. We don't do what people do. Yeah. Any which way. Never have. Never will. So when there's a plan, we carry the plan out for better or for worse.

And we go first. They'll cut a promo on me right now, man. We go first. And everybody, you know. I remember when, Russ came out before Disarmony, you were like, brother, always go first. Because Russ killed, you know? I love that album.

I like both those albums. I think Disharmonies a cool album, too. It's my least favorite one, but I really do like it. It's the hardest one. Dude, fucking, Dom wears the Disarmony shirt like every day. You think so? Does he really? I love the Gaining Purpose record a lot.

And I want to say one other thing, when everyone was shitting on them, who was still rocking with them at the time? 100%. J.M. and B.L. Really just us. Yeah, that's a fact. So, I mean, fuck all y'all for that.

Let's hit them with some of our favorite questions. So in terms of general questions, we ask, one thing I've been interested lately, I like to ask fellow Mosh scientists a few off top favorite breakdowns of all time. You know what I've been listening to is I've been right now, so it's on my mind is I've been listening to E-Towns. like nonstop, dude. Preach, brother. Brother. I'm listening to battle lines like every fucking day

before the set. I usually have like a fucking... They're playing Pittsburgh soon, I saw. That's our thing. We didn't even talk about that. We put together a fest called Codes World. And the E-Town thing came about. We put the fest together

and they just commented and said, can we play? And so I hit up Ant and we just texted. Duh. I mean, he's literally the coolest guy. He's amazing. I texted. We figured it out like that.

No agency. or anything. We figured it out, which I try not to do as much because it gets me into situations where... It's always tricky. It gets me into situations often where like, I end up so confused how I'm the bad guy. It's like, I'm trying to do something for you, brother.

I'm not trying to screw you. But then communication gets weird. So I'm trying to let our people do what they do now. One of my favorite bands, Eton Concrete. No hyperbole whatsoever. I mean, that fucking record, which one i'm talking to renaissance which i know you're a renaissance man if you're not then like it's like as if it's the breakout it's the i would say it's the commercial success

dude it fucking rocks it absolutely does and i want to do the josta part at our thing so bad i'm gonna put that out there right now i'm doing the jostapart of battle lines we need somebody to step up in the al nino part as well i really like you know so many nights uh is their big ballad i like that when they play it, he says, this is the hardest song of all the time. And then, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Let me shout out a local group that for us, like when we're kind of constructing those sort of parts,

like we pull probably from now at this point, definitely from stuff more from our area, like per our purview. There's a band called Enemy Mind who are like a I guess you'd call it beat down even though I don't like the way that word is used. It's not a real word. The shit's so fucking hard. And it is also,

technical, but I mean, it's the hardest shit of all the time. So if you're looking for like the kind of hard parts that I particularly like, there's different forms, but if we're going just full fighting, then that would be. Mikey Nake just cited enemy mine

as one of the best. Them guys got put on all that, yeah, to some Pittsburgh shit. I think Greenfield Mike sings on Gridiron song. There you go. There's a good answer. There's so many.

I mean, I love it all. I love it all. I love weird stuff. I love hard stuff. I love art stuff. I love rock music. I love hip hop. I like a lot of different things, you know, so try to mix it together.

You're a big Nine-E-N-Ales guy. Yeah. Has there been any conversing with Daddy Resner? No, man, he doesn't give a fucking... No, I know, but you never know. We have a... Now, I'm a giant... I'm a...

Have you ever reached out in any way? No, because I feel one that's SAWFT soft. and I don't want to necessarily be like, hey, sir, like, please, daddy, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, if he ever showed a lick of interest,

I'd be at his front door with Rojas. Like, have you heard the Halsey record that he produced? Uh-huh. Dude, it's unbelievable. It's awesome. You don't even like 9-inch nails. I barely like 9-inch nails, and I love that fucking.

So what I get from that, what I take from that is that you like, you like the kind of worlds they paint, but maybe you like the art of, like something like a holsey or something more. What I can tell, I can tell they kept the vocals, deleted everything,

and just wrote music under it, and I love that. That's such a cool way to do it. I agree. Me and Bo here, we would die for Restor. I know. I think he's a true genius.

I think he's in, I love his film scores. Yeah. Love him. I mean, the Fragile is like probably my favorite, at this point, my favorite record of all time. I mean, I listen to it.

All time. It's up there. I mean, I used to be downward spiral guy. I like Downward Spiral. Which rocks, and that's definitely more accessible. Most people would say that's the one, I'm sure. What's up? Hey, almost done.

Damn, man. It's kind of quat. It's very like, you know, celebrity vibes. Everyone's coming to the door. No, but I fucking love 9-inch. Yeah, I mean, they're my favorite band of all time. I mean, they, I've never heard a band sound better, ever, live. Ever.

Sounds so good. Got to work with Chris Varenna on underneath, who was the original drummer, programmer, keyboardists for pretty hate machine and downward spiral. There you go. Gave us all the samples. We have the closer samples and shit. Or like to just play with. Yeah.

Not to do anything with. But just to fuck around with. And they're from Pittsburgh area. They're from like two hours from us. Very cool. One of my best friends, Colin, like his dad grew up with different Colin from Eternal Sleep, Colin Bennington. Yeah.

Grew up with, you know, him and stuff. So his dad. So, okay. Well, there's a camera. She's fine. Hey, Reba. Hey, Reba. Love you too.

Ask him the golden. Before that, the CLA. This is a very important question. Colin of Arabia gave us this question. Because you've done a lot of guys. I haven't seen him in a while. He buried us the best on a picture before to the point where I cried laughing. Like years ago.

He's a pro barrier. Yeah, yeah. But then he'll tell you their face. He's like, hey, this is why you suck. And I'll be like, I know, sir. You're right. always helped when we would play shows in Boston and stuff, he would always be supportive of us.

So I have nothing but respect for him. Full. He's the man. But it was a picture of me and Joe, like, we worked out with this girl and she'd like posted like a picture and it was like, he's like, is this the before or the after? That's good. I was like, God, he's funny. He gave us a question.

Yeah. Called, who do you do? I thought for a second for me, I was like, oh no. Yeah, no. Okay. So it's so it's just like when you're on stage, when you're doing your thing and I suppose from you, we should get two. We should get a drummer one and a singer one. I do like Porcel from Eitha today

and head feel when I'm playing guitar. I'm stressed already. He does. You can pick whoever many you want. You've done 50 guys from start to finish. I really think you are good at knowing things like that about other people. I definitely see your rest of you. Tell me who I do. I don't know. Tell me man. Don't be scared.

I don't know. Who do I do? You see me. You know it. And if it's nobody that means I'm one of a kind. As a drummer? Yeah. That's tougher because he had such a style, you know, with the singing. Under oath, homie?

Fucking hell. Fucking hell. I had to give it to you. Brother me. I don't know. Brother me softly. I don't know. So maybe you're one of the kind.

You tell me. I'm not red-headed. You do when you're drumming? There's no one who you're like, I love this style. See, you guys start, like, what you pulled before you liked harder shit? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Archer's of Loaf, bro. I don't know what the fuck that is. I love Archers of Loaf. I know you do. For a fact. We weren't pulling that on stage, but maybe we did cover the song for the Com for the Toxic Breed Funhouse. Remember Toxic Freed Funhouse?

Yeah, we talk about it all the time. R. IP. Better times before this shit was fucking mainstream. Am I right? Right or wrong. Agree. When this shit was real.

Oh, yeah. So you do. So you do, so you do Aaron Gillespie? Is that what you're saying? It's a mixture of Gillespie and, um, I'm trying to think. Garth. Drummer-wise, I genuinely could not give you an answer.

Singer-wise, I definitely watch people and try to obviously do a little bit of trend stuff. I have a little bit of a trend stance. There's some trend. There's some Phil. Because there's not a lot of good stances, especially for my body size. And I found that that kind of posed out stance,

that works for me. Phil, I try to copy some Phil shit. I watch a lot of, I mean, I'll just watch, like, when we're doing festivals, I'll just watch all my favorite bands playing those old festivals. You know what I mean? Like the classic.

Dynamo. Oh, yeah. And just pick stuff up to say, I've definitely literally did the fill line. Like, I do it all time. Don't just fucking stare at me. Don't you fucking stare at me. The fucking Nightingale's Woodstock set is. That's a great one.

Possibly the greatest live set of all time. I actually watched a lot of their sets in the daytime to try to like make our daytime set better. To try to like, okay, what can we do like that can translate this better? You know, so I try to watch, I don't, I try to sometimes watch bands that they're not best, best. Oh, interesting. To try to figure out, just figure out like little avenues. I mean, I don't want to say just like the classic people, but, um, and then of course, like, I want to say there's like hardcore frontman, frontmen that I've learned. I've learned tons from Scott Vogel.

Um, I've learned tons from, um, everyone we've toured with. We, we tour with Bain all the time. I would always learn from Bardard. I would learn from, we tour with Badball. You learn from Freddie Madball. toward the converge. I was learned from Jake. You know, there's you.

I learned a ton of stuff from you. Oh, 100%. I learned many things from you about many things, but about being a front man. Never learned a thing from James because he won't say a word to me after 10 years because he hates me. Something about my aura.

He does not like. So any, but a lot of other people, we've learned, you know, I learned shit all the time. That was good. That was good. Name them, you know. Jostah.

Did shit with Jostah. I'm watching. I'm learning. And then I try to, fuck. Yeah, dude. I mean, I definitely learned a good headbang style from Phil where you can get less hurt, which is weird because he fucked his backup.

Yeah. But where you find out of his neck, your face hose, and you use the fucking hand. Yeah. Yeah. And it's less, you can get more out of that. It's full upper body. Full upper body. I like the.

Yeah, that's good. Oh, yeah, I do a lot of this. That's not a great. I do a lot of this. I also try to, I try to do like, I try to use my. I have a strange body, you know, or not strong. You're large. I'm long, lanky.

I'm tall. I'm tall. I'm big. But you're beefy now. You're not as lanky as you used to be. I'm not this guy, but I'm two in the 200 club. You know, I'm 205. That's huge.

Yeah, but so am I. You're a cruiser way. People don't know I'm big. You're big. They can play with me. They don't know I'm big. You get taller every time I see you. Really?

Speaking of food. Oh, man. Oh, you're going to hate this. No, I love it. Do you know the golden archers question? Yes. We like to ask, you know, you're driving down the road, Cored Orange is flying in the bandwagon or the bus.

On this day, your driver lets you stop. There's a magical sign that is. They never let you stop. And never forget when Justice told them, pull over or we're going to fuck you up. That's a story that I had always heard. Justice would tell me if that's true. But what I remember is, I don't know,

they were touring. And this changed my mind about the whole thing. It was like, they were sitting there and they had enough. Yeah. And they told the driver, you pull over, we're going to fuck you up.

And then he started going to McDonald's. I don't know. that's true justice, my buddy, but I think it is. It adds up. It's deserving of, the thing that's insane is one of the last times we were there, we had this guy, Renfield, awesome Hungarian. The flick? Yeah, no,

he was... The shitty flick with Nick Cage? It's so bad. It's pretty bad. He sang in a band that was all like vampire themed. His name was Renfield. Anyway, we asked him if we could go to the Eiffel Tower, the first night in Paris, and he was like, of course. Like, I'm the driver wherever you want to go. They work for

us. And drove us, parked illegal. at the Eiffel Tower. That rocks. Anyway. That doesn't happen to me ever. You guys are Dracula. One of our drivers trying to fight me in the parking lot

over this shit. Is that true? These are familiar. Wow. What question? Hit him. So what's the place that's making you put a gun to your driver's head

and say you better stop, motherfucker? We're gonna fuck you out of the time? Not in Europe. Yeah, no home. He can't. US. We eat all a Chipotle.

Yeah, dude, that's okay. I get it. I get it. I feel you hated. No, I do, but I get it. Because I can't. I fucking, everybody, I love fast food. Reeva's vegetarian.

I also can't function physically eating like shit all the time. Yeah. I just can't. I really want to. And I had a period where I could when I was younger and I burnt the card out. And then something started happening were like, I'm feeling the stomach acid. I'm feeling it. 27.

It hits. So honestly, when I started doing jiu-jitsu and I was like 20, as soon as I started doing that, all of a sudden everything moved around and shit couldn't hit right anymore. It was like it fucked my tolerance. bowels. So then, you know, we do a lot of Chapolet, because me and Joe, we just eat a lot of like steak, vegetables and ice, shit like that. You can eat good. You can eat bad. You can eat clean, whatever. But I love McDonald's. I love McDonald's, dude. What's your McDonald's order? What's the order?

I'm just getting probably triple cheeses, double cheeses, now triple cheeses, you know. Some fries. I mean, I could easily eat. I could easily eat three. Okay, there you go. Finally. There's no bitch in my blood. I'll eat three. My post gym is three triple cheese. cheese. Yeah. Sixth or 10.

And you can take the buns off if you're trying to be a good boy. I guess. I've done it. And then I'm probably going to go more because I'm going to need more patties. Yeah. Goldman's going to eat a lot of, a lot of patties.

Is he? There's not like a limit. It's just like his card is the way his bank account is set up. Okay. His card is declined at a certain point. Oh, okay. Because, you know, he's not going to spend a million dollars on triple cheese. But if you keep giving them to them,

he will keep eating them. He can eat as much. watch as anyone I've ever met. It's a great answer. And my boys back home, I'm from Pittsburgh. So a lot of my buddies back home are some big brothers. And they always say, they can eat. And that's a good compliment.

They always say, Joe and I, they can eat. Well, the Big Mac also invented in Pittsburgh. There we go. There we go. So your royalty, you know? Love it. So thank you for supporting Ron. I love the Big Mac.

It's delicious. It's a classic American sandwich, Frank. Of course. And I know the fast food hard lore gimmick. I was anticipating this, you know. You did great. I like some Wendy's as well. Wendy's Rock.

PA, Wendy's. is different. Sometimes you guys will like, like jack in the box and shit like that. Never. What's the one you like that's questionable? There's one. None.

Like hearties or something? No. All right. Just be careful. I will. We had wing stop. Oh, dude. UK wingstop?

Not bad. I had Nando's yesterday. Oh, cheeky bastard. Only thing I don't like, though, is my friends at home. Let's get Nando's at home. It's bad at home. No.

It's shot. I'm like, well, the reason, no offense of the UK, but the reason we get it here is because we have a lot of other stuff. Yeah. We have everything else that's open late. We go there because we have to go.

Good coffee anywhere. You could even maybe make that meal at home here. I don't even think they sell the ingredients. Is that your bag? Does she have the same back as you? Anyway. She might. She might. Maybe. Sounds about right. Well, this was a lovely chat. I really think we kind of scratched the surface here.

I would love to keep going into it further in the future. Anytime you want. Post. Post album. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Post. Yeah, sure. Post. Yeah. Totally. Post album Post bullshit

And I want to shout out Some band I'm trying to I like to shout out Some like young bands And I'm about to be done I'm coming I'm coming

They'll be all right No one's gonna watch that shit Anyway it's all like 15 seconds shit I'm coming Everybody's watching this one Yeah exactly I mean it's all gonna be like

Gimick dot com And it's gonna be like My shit all mixed up And it's gonna be picture And then everyone would be mad at me So let's have Take this happy moment Exactly

Um Bands I like Yes shouting out Codes World put a bunch of them on there. We got Vane who, you know, I think we put Vain on what probably their first, like, real tour, tour. Awesome story about them. We had a band we were friends with that time lifeless. They dropped.

I call Anthony from Vane. It was just like us. Can you be here next week? Yes. And they were there. You know what I'm saying? That's how we became. They get it.

My sister did their last album art with them and they get it. They're fucking awesome. I'm good buddies with them. We got fucking my buddy's pain clinic from Pittsburgh. please check them out. They're new, but my jihitsu coach is playing bass, one of my training partners playing guitar. Check them out. It's going to hurt me. My best friend, Tyler, is singing, and my other little friend, Devin's playing on the drums as well. So check them out from Pittsburgh. Who else? Gridiron. Those are my close buddies, knowing them for years. Pain of Truth,

just check them out in the last year or so. They're awesome. Taking over the world. Who else we got? Regulate. The singer Sebastian is my buddy as well. King Nine. Shout out to them. Love King 9, love Dan. Who else we got? Name some other shit I might like. Is stab wounds? Stab wounds.

They're from Ohio area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have little bands we were playing with back in the road as well. That band Vomit 4th, connected with them. Oh my God, dude. Just connected with the kid. Love them. Not the kid, the grown man from Drain, the singer of Drain.

We got on the phone and he just sent us a nice message that I didn't really expect. We got on the phone talk for like an hour. Great kid. Really happy to see. I'm again not kidding not kidding not kidding him just said yeah great man yeah and uh really happy to see their success because he just seemed like again stylistically obviously we're so different aesthetically we couldn't be more different yeah but when we talk we have we ethics are the realness it's all there and so respect to them who else can we shout out let's put some people

over shout out to twitching tongues making the return I don't know what the gimmick or the return is all the way and what's revealed and all that, but there's a return. It's going down, and I believe there's going to be a bunch of shit. Harmsway just, I can't. Nope. Harmsway's doing stuff too.

Harmsway's a ban. I've been a big fan of Harmsway, my entire, basically, since I met this guy, and he showed me him. So I love every record Harmsway's ever done. The blue one is my least favorite, as I've told them.

Is that true? I lost the blinded one. Yes. Guess what? Still good, though. One of the hardest bits ever, though. Mind control? Great.

Love that. It's still fucking great. Thank you. And the last one was great. And the main first one is literally God level hall. You're a great. Greatest. And I mean, the last one's fucking amazing too, honestly.

Those are my two favorite. That one and the last one. Good. And I like Rust as well. So who else? I just want to listen, I don't get to do this a lot. I want to put people. There's a lot of good bands out there, a lot of good bands I fucking hate.

I will say that as well. We won't get into that. Cool. Yeah, but that's not why we do. where my roads goes dark. That's what, that's like, we avoid that

because that's like not the purpose. Exactly. That's also, of course we do too. It's beneath us. Yeah. We don't need to. It's beneath.

You guys put everyone over. It's a put-over machine over here. That is not. Holy hell. Oh, we're putting them over. We're putting everyone over. It's everyone's invited

to the over party. But either way, lots of good bands out there. Shit's stronger than it's ever been. It seems like. It is. Nothing but love and respect. And, uh, yeah.

Beautiful. gorgeous. Thank you so much, Jamie. for joining us. Have a lovely set this evening. Thank you all for watching. Support Corder Orange. There will be news about some things soon.

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