HardLore - Kat Moss (SCOWL)

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

Colin and Bo talk to "the next Gwen Stefani", singer of the explosive bay area hardcore band SCOWL. They've only been a band for 3 years, but they're tearing up the world and here to stay.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

welcome. It's Hardlord time. What's up? Hi. Hi, how are you guys? Oh my God, we're so good. We're so good. Bo, how are you?

Good, man. I just got done doing your least favorite thing, a nice grocery shop, cooked dinner meal. You can miss me with all that. Let's talk about our guests. We don't need to be talking about grocery shopping. I'll leave the room right now. Who do we got, dude? We have the incomparable cat moss.

Hello. front person lead screamer of scowl. Oh, man. Got me with that one. Lead ever, lead to lead person. Yeah, I don't, I don't know how I landed that job. What do you mean? You were born for it.

You're the next, you're, you are the second coming of Gwen Stefani, I call you. That's insane. Around the household. Oh, that's actually nuts. Think about it, though. If I think about it, I'll freak out. I will curl into a. ball. I could never be like her.

Like she's too, she's up here, man. Like she's like height wise? Oh, yeah. I actually don't know how tall she is. I don't either. She seems so cool. Monolithic. How tall is Gwen Stefani?

Gwen Stefani is five feet six inches tall. It's not not short. I'm taller than her. Oh, there you go. See? She's not up here. Breaking news on hard lore. Catmoss taller than Gwen Stefani.

musically and heightly. Physically. Well, what I meant by that was you look at the the beginning of no doubt and they're doing like

bad brains covers and shit. Yeah, totally. Really poorly. Well, that's, that's subjective. Just really, really bad. It's acoustic, so, you know. No, there's a live one. It's terrible.

I didn't, I've never seen this, to be honest. So I really can't judge. Well, I've said it on. It's wild. But it's, You know, like they're on MTV on like a big show and they choose to do bad rings covers. That's pretty sick.

You got to give it to them there. Yeah. And you look at Scowell's trajectory and I like guitar music is at this point where that could be a thing again. Yeah, we need to see Scowl on MTV playing sailing on. Yeah. I mean like I would like to be on MTV like on like the Jersey Shore or something though. I think that would be kind of cool. Wow. Good call. I mean, if you want to be on Big Brother, I can maybe get you in touch with somebody.

The OG reality show. It's true. I worked on it for a long time. Actually? Oh, yeah, you got a shot. That's crazy. I'll set you up. We'll talk after. No way. So Scowl.

Yeah. Scowl is about what, four years old at this point? Yeah, a little bit. I would say like three and a half, like almost four years. I don't know. I think the band started like six months or nine months after I moved to Santa Cruz about four years ago. Had you done bands prior to? No. Was your first band? Yeah. So the pressure is really on.

You and Sammy just starting with hits back to back. Yeah. Yeah, back to back. It's unbelievable. I think Sammy's hits are like, again, like I couldn't compare like Drain's demo. Like I was obsessed with. but like the scale demo like I can't listen to

but most of us feel that way I'm not about the scald demo but like our own first thing you you got lucky and like you your first band is like the one that is is popping off and working Sammy he's a he's a

what I don't know what his problem is the drain demo is incredible yeah it's not fair because like I said to him I was like the drain demo if I heard that I'd be like new drain is fucking dope yeah but I mean I think

Everything that Sammy touches is just like gold. Like he's just a very talented person. Yeah, exactly. I would say, oh, go ahead, Colin. No, no, no, no. Take it over. Come on. I want to hear what you have to say. I was just going to say, I've seen Skala, I think, twice, once on the Touche tour.

No way. He was in Chicago. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. Nick is my baby boy and was. I love Nick. He's quite a character. Yeah.

And they all worked the, merch tent at Riot Fest this past weekend it just happened. No way. I went and saw Nick on Saturday night. Who is Nick? You got to give me some context here. Nick from harm's way. Oh, that Nick. Yeah, I know him. Fuck! And I walked up to Nick because I left the misfits early, Colin,

because they were so fucking bad. And yeah, I'm... Wow. Dude. I'm literally waiting. I know, I know. I... That's Bo's favorite band. I love the misfits. And I saw the first reunion at Riot Fest a few years ago, and it sounded great. Really? So I know they're capable of it, but dude, I'm not even joking.

They played Walk Among Us, so they opened with 20 eyes. And it was like, if the key is, D, right? It's in D. He's literally like, and he's going, Twah, Siamar. Oh, no. Completely off key.

And then after the song. And what was that quote that opened the set that you said? It's common. He, after that song, he walked to someone side stage, lost his fucking shit. So his ears must have been off. which you can't really blame them

okay like yeah but then like I know that record front and back I couldn't tell what was after I turned into a Martian really? I couldn't recognize it how good is I turned into a Martian

unbelievable oh my God but anyway the first thing he said was Shirek which is very frowned upon in Chicago he said

Shirek how many people got fucking killed here tonight brrah And you just heard everyone in the field literally was just like, oh. Like a pin dropped. It was horrible. That's bad. So I laughed.

But anyway, I went and I went and talked to Nick. And like that, when you're doing merch at that, you're on your feet for like 14 hours a day. And I said, hey, man, how's going? And you went, all he said was my feet. That's it. The dogs are barking. Oh, I really. I can relate to that.

Back to Skal and Nick and everything. But the second time I saw you guys was that Soundfury. Yeah. This past one. And that was monumental. That was a crazy set. Monumental. That was so much fun.

I like every time people bring it up to me, I'm kind of like, wait, was that? Like, yeah. No, I'm just like, I feel so sentimental about it. Like, after I got off stage, I was like, I wanted to like fall to my knees and cry. I was like so like, I did it. Like, oh my God. Like, I don't know.

Do you get tunnel vision in those moments or are you able to be like, me too? Yeah. So I've kind of, I've gotten to the point where I'm in mid-song, I'll be like, all right, I need to like just look and take a picture with my eyes so that I can think about that and be like, yeah, that was pretty cool. I genuinely like kind of black out if it's something I'm really like excited slash nervous for. So like Sound of Fury was like, I think the thing that I've been, I had been the most nervous to date for, like the live show that I've like, I kind of freaked out the most right

before where I was like, it's happening. It's happening. And it's like that episode of SpongeBob where like he's like running around in his own head and like they're like burning stuff. You know what I mean? Is that the Pantera episode? Oh.

Running around in his own. No, no. The Pantera episode. No, the salad. When he's like serving the salad, I'm really bad at referencing things. But like he's like like, it's like multiple little sponge bobs in his head and they're like burning files. and they're like trying to, anyways, this is really...

It's just like a sponge by it. It's not, it's not like, it's fine. That's a show I've never seen one episode. Are you fucking kidding me? It's fine. 34, brother. Okay, I'm 30. I'll be 31 and 48 hours. Okay.

Must have been a four-year thing. I don't know. It's fine. It's whatever. It's what we do. But yeah, I was freaking out for Santa Fury. And then in the middle of it, it was kind of like, it's happening. And I was kind of freaking out in my, head, but it was also really hot.

And I was like, it was like, the sun. The sun at that. You guys played like, you guys. Like, in the clock. Yeah. And I was like, bro, are you fucking kidding me? Out of every single person at this fest who's playing, like, there's like a, you could like one, two, three, maybe people who are like on stage wearing makeup.

Like this is so ridiculous. I know like it doesn't matter. But like I get full sun, full sweat, cold dust. Like, God. damn it. So I feel like a little insecure looking back at like pictures, but I had a good time. I will tell you objectively, like from a total

outside perspective, you do well, and also I was going to say you do like a very good job, whether intentional or not, of looking like you're having the best time. So like it just doesn't matter. Like everybody looks cool if it looks like you don't get the fuck. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm trying so

hard to look like I'm like fucking like in the moment and like super like I don't know. I try to focus really hard on being this like performer. But like realistically, I'm freaking out the whole time. So I'm like pulling it off now. I'm like proud enough to say that.

I'm like worked on my confidence enough. I'm like, I can do it. Like, but you're pulling it off but also like you look at the resume already. And it's not like you just played Sound and Fury. You played this version of Sound and Fury that was. this one million person event that nobody really expected. Yeah. That was a few months after playing Madison Square Garden.

Yeah. Yeah. So what the fuck happened there? Madison Square Garden was insane. And then Outbreak Fest was something we did. That was absolutely nuts. And those were two like specific ones that like felt really big, like really like, okay, this is a make it a break it moment.

and like we kept it punk like you know um but like you made it but you broke it too well you know to be honest no one else would notice watching the set but you know how it is when you're playing a set and you're like god damn it something's going wrong like yeah you know something happens with the guitar or the drum or like you forget a lyric or you kind of like muff a lyric or you've got you go off time no one else in the world would notice because they don't play with your band day. But you notice because you do. And so it's like moments like that happening at something like MSG, you're like, damn. Yeah. It's. But those people, those people even especially, I'm sure, had even less of an idea than you have. Madison Square Garden, your shit face.

I feel like if you're going to Madison Square Garden, yeah, there's a half a chance that you're like, I heard there's live music at Madison Square Garden tonight. I heard there are live bands, Especially if it's a limp biscuit show. Those are music fans. You're showing up going, there's an opener? Yeah. You have no idea. That was like what really helped take the pressure off of those limp biscuit shows specifically.

I would say it's like, oh, like nobody knows who we are. Nobody cares about us. Like all I have to do is get this crowd hyped. And they're limp biscuit fans. So it's not going to be that hard. Like I just have to like really work with them and like really like kind of throw it at them and be like, who's excited to see L'A Biscuit, who, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like opening for Slayer. Yeah. You just have to say Slayer. How we do that. I have like what this fucking guy's saying. Yeah, exactly. Was that now that, so when did you, when does Scal become a like fully touring entity? I would say this year, like, um, around like March at the start of that touche tour.

Um, we got that offer and it just so. happened to line up with the limp offer and then we did the destroy boys tour and then europe which we hopped into and like all of it was kind of like a logistical nightmare to organize because it was like non-stop touring and you're going from like one full u.s to another full yeah u.s to flying to europe and then back and then we finally like got home after three months of that and we were like oh we're like a touring band now yeah yeah because the the offers were kind of like flowing and I'm like super grateful for it. I like touring like I'm stoked on it. I like this is I don't have a job right now like so it's cool. I love it. It just kind of like it was a

goal I set at the beginning of the year. Like I remember during the new year I like kind of made a list of goals like regarding the band and I was like, I don't want to quit my job to tour. And I was I was like, we'll see if that happens. You know, like I'm not super. but like worried about it because I'm just happy with whatever opportunities I do get. Sure. Well, I, that's the best attitude. That's the attitude to have. Exactly.

And then it just kind of like happened really fast and the flow of offers hit and the organizing happened. And now it's like, well, why would, how do I have a job at home if I'm going to be gone every other week or I'm about to go on two months tour or whatever it may be. A little bestie. Literally. It's like. Who in the band?

Are you the, are you the like, are you the mom? Or is some, are you kind of just like, you guys, I'm here to rock. I would say, I'm kind of like in between of that. Because there's certain things that I'm like, that's your guys' deal. Like, I don't play an instrument. I don't deal with gear. Yeah, gear. Come on.

That's your bag. That's not my thing. I'm not going to deal with it. I'm not going to focus on that. Some logistics... Not going to load it. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I try to help, but like, let's be real.

You know, a merch bag here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, merch. That's the benefit to you. I'm with it for sure. Exactly. And everyone kind of has, like, been able to take on their own, like, you know, responsibilities a little bit as we've, like, started to tour much more heavily.

Like, in the beginning, I would say, me and Malachi were kind of the main, like, parents of the band and then, like, kind of, like, directing things. And we still do. But now, like, Bailey, who plays bass is, like, kind of the gear guy. And then, um, Cole, who drums, he, he's kind of more responsible of, like, taking care of merch when it comes to, like, actual shows. And then me and Malachi figure out, like, designs and making orders and all the logistical stuff.

But, um, it's, it's, like, a team effort, I guess. I don't know. No, I mean, that's, we were talking about this in the gate creeper episode that with bands, when you start doing these things, the roles kind of come to each person organically. Yeah. But I have a very important question about the roles in the band. Who's the silly guy? You know, that's really funny. Malachi for sure is.

Well, but here's the deal. You're telling me SpongeBob episodes for your state of mind going into shows, you know? Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing a silly guy says. I think I'm a little bit of a sleeper though because like once I get comfortable around people, I will like, it goes and I get into bits. You're the assassin. Yeah. Bailey is actually the class clown. Like Bailey is actually one of the funniest people I've ever met in my entire life.

And then Malachi is actually a bully. So like he just roasts everyone to filth. But then he has a broke leg at the biggest show you ever. Yeah, yeah, the university. Exactly. Respond. Yeah. He, um, it's always the most inappropriate and like actually fucked up like Roses, but you have to like,

you can't not laugh. Like, like it's so fucking funny. If you don't laugh, does he just go harder? Yes. Well, if it's, if it's towards you, you don't, you're not laughing. Oh, because it's just ice school. It's so, it's so harsh. Like criminal act against you.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like actually evil. Like, I put up with so much. Well, you're touring with your partner. Yeah. You know? And the partner is the class bully, too. Yeah.

So that's fun. Yeah, and he's also a genius. He's like an evil genius. So that's like the worst part. Yeah, he's literally in the room right now. And he was telling me earlier. He's like, he like, don't you dare. He, um, he wanted.

You know, you're almost correct. Is he a big flagellator? Yes. He got a new toy, though. He actually has... Oh, I got one of them in my closet. Yeah. So...

Welcome to the show Malachi. A friend of the show. Yeah. How's his leg? It's not wearing a boot. He didn't go to the doctor. He's just... So bad.

Yeah. Okay, cool. But like he's... Yeah. I don't know what he's doing about that. He seems like a pretty silly guy to me. He's hilarious. So when you guys did outbreak and you went to Europe, did you tour Europe?

Yes. You did, okay. Spill. You know that tea you got on your desk there? Yeah. Why don't you just dump it all over the place? Yeah. Oh, man.

Well, let's be real. I have like every right to talk shit on Europeans. Because, well, okay. So fun, My mom is like super German. Oh. Like like super German. Like I grew up visiting Germany and like my family in Germany like in the summer.

Like I like know a little bit of German. Like not like fluently. So I am. I'm a bit in Deutsch. Yeah, a bit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go home.

I'm going to go. I'm going to go. Yeah. So I feel like I have all the right in the world because I've been dealing with it my whole life. Yeah, like, especially You're in fricadels When you get home from school Yeah, exactly

Like schnitzel Schnitzel baby Snitzel I do fuck with schnitzel I'm not gonna sit here and lie It's so lit It is so lit I mean there's German food

It's fine There's some brotwork It's really here's the problem With German food is the one you get At the show you're playing Yeah I don't not eating fucking kuskous On purpose ever again in my life

you can't make me. Cold, cous, cuss, no, I won't do it. With, like,

flies and, and, like, landing in it, it's just out. I don't know. What's the, they do that in France, too,

where you go to, like, a nice gas station. Like, oh, we stopped at a good one, and there's the deli counter, and then there's just flies in the... Dude,

McDonald's will be swarming. There will be swarming. There will be a hive mind of flies in around there. You can see the queen fly in the fucking Big Mac sauce, and they just still serve it to you. So, Kat, you had been,

had you visited Europe? Yeah. So I had visited like northern Germany, Hamburg, like specifically like a lot. That's where my family lives. And then I went to like Switzerland when I was like five, but I don't remember that. Switzerland is dope. Yeah. It's cool.

Switzerland's hilarious because their border, like their TSA or whatever it is, like the border agents, like they really don't want you to be there. And then you get there and you're like, oh, well, yeah, I don't want. Well, while you're here. Yeah. Yeah. I bought a Toblerone at a gas station there just as like, you know, I'm here. You know, I might as well.

And I checked my debit card statement after it. It was like $34. Dude, the first time we ever, the first European tour we ever did, we went from Germany through Switzerland to Milan, Italy. We got pulled over by the Swiss police. We had to change all of our money from Euro into francs, a Swiss francs, I believe. Yeah, I think so. when we went back into Italy we had to change it back and in

just in the time frame that it took to drive we lost like 400 euros bro why do you have that exchange rate because you can't have you can't have X amount of euros in their country it's just like their thing bro ask Taylor about that that was on the tour with Taylor

the exchange rates are whack especially if you come from like playing somewhere outside of the US and you're like okay got all this money that is not the US dollar and you're like paying attention like when should I like flip this like you know it's it's such a pain in the ass what do you do what so this is we've never even we've never talked about the money cat with the with the hot fucking scoops good call our ancient technique for this to all the bands out there is

when you go to the bank to deposit this might have changed because I remember at one point somebody just said no and we were like yeah when you go to the bank with this money you say I want to deposit this. You don't even say, don't even say the word exchange. Yeah. That's smart. Because there's like no,

there's like a fee that doesn't happen. That's, that's a really fucking smart idea. I'll sign that work anymore. Yeah. It's been a while. You let me know, you'll be there before I am.

It's, it's like a psychological thing. It's like telling someone it's not their fault when it is their fault. So you're gaslighting the bank. Yeah. Gaslight the bank. Always gaslight the bank.

Another, that's my new album. What? is another tip, something that we found is at least with Chase Bank, which is what we use, they don't take coins. So if you're getting fucking the pound coins and Euro single Euro coins and Canadian loonies and tunis. Buy some coax, brother.

Buy whatever. Spend that shit. Use it as change as much as you can. Pay it out and per diem if you can if you do that. Yeah. Otherwise, like we, the first time we came back, we obviously didn't know and James had like 50 pounds of coins in a in a sack in his room, you know. Also, the exchange rate shit, like, it kind of really actually doesn't matter.

Like, if you go to some little rinkedink place, like, on a street next to, like, the gift shop for tourism, yeah, you're going to get fucked. But if you do it at the airport, or if you do it, like, it really doesn't matter that much. Like, you're talking, if you're exchanging tens and tens of thousands, like, if you were a very successful band, maybe. but for us. Which, Schau could be real. Let's, no, let's be real here.

Let's be really. Yeah, how was it? How was the first go? How long were you there? We were there for like two weeks, two and a half weeks, which is like the perfect amount of time because two weeks in Europe feels like a month. Yes. And that's what I figured out.

I would say a week in Europe is about a month. Yeah. Every week is a month. It was. Every day is a week. Exactly. It was very challenging, I would say like, for, but like, but also it wouldn't be our first time in Europe if it wasn't kind of a pain in the ass.

That's part of the magic is you figure out what doesn't work. It's going to be your 10th time in Europe. Yeah, exactly. And it's going to be exact insane. It was insane. So we, before we even got to the airport had issues, something with Expedia went wrong with the airline that we were flying, Lufthansa, and our tickets got canceled four times.

So I was on the phone with the airline back at the airport. Well, before that, even, the night before when I was trying to check in, it was like so stressful. And we had just done like two months of touring. Like, and we were all just like, we're so tired. Like we just want us to go smooth. We hadn't been home in so long. I'm like on the phone with them all night, basically. And they keep telling me like, oh, we fixed it.

And then I go check the itinerary. It's not fixed. And I go through it over and over and over again. by the time we get to the airport, we try to check in. They say that our flights don't exist or our tickets don't exist. So very stressful when we have like a fest in Germany the next day. I was like, now I'm going to cry. So at this point I was like kind of emotional and like just too stressed.

Do you ever weaponize that? I try really hard not to. As a touring person, if I had the power to cry, like, Well I might my reflex is anger I wish if my if my reflex was crying I feel like I would get so much more done I

the thing is everyone who's in the van understands that I do be crying so the thing is it doesn't spin anything on them like they don't they're over it I would be like cat well you feel bad what can I do what tell me what to do

but but now it's like damn bitch okay we get it like did you guys have to have COVID tests No, we didn't. So luckily we didn't have to deal with that. That part kind of like started changing a lot by that point. But as we're figuring out our flight shit, a bomb threat happens at the airport.

But none of us knew that when it initially happened. I just saw like hundreds of people suddenly running out of the terminal and people like screaming. And my head went to, oh my God, we're in an active shooting. Like this is so scary. Nobody, nobody. What was that? You cut out completely. Dude, this fucking thing.

Nobody says over the intercom like, hey, there's a security. No, no, nothing. And all I see is like, this is like so ridiculously hilarious considering the situation. I have like, I just got my like vegan meatball sandwich from Earl's sandwich. And I have like a sprite. I just got off the phone with my mom. Like, yeah. I got off the phone of my mom.

And I was like, fuck it. I need like a sprite, right? Malachi went to the bar in the terminal. We're just like waiting to see what happens. Next thing I know, I see all right, all these people running and I'm like, oh my God. And this is like days after like one of the big shootings this summer. So like really sad. But yeah, yeah.

None of us knew what was going on. Like I just see people running. LAX. Oh. One of the worst. Yeah, literally the worst. Everybody's running. I look up and like kind of like where there's like the second level of the airport.

All I see is like cops on, what are they called with like the one wheel and the thing? Segways. Cops on segways. And I was like, what's going on? It was so weird. We're trying to like get out, but they're not letting people out the front doors. And it was just really scary. And I'm like carrying her on my sandwich.

And I'm just like. How long until you sat down? down and ate the sandwich. Oh, like two and a half hours. No. That's the real tragedy. So we were outside of the airport waiting to see what was going on. We got told it was like a bomb threat. Someone checked Twitter. It was like

so dystopian. And we finally go back in. We rush to the counter for the airline. We get a flight. We like make it last second on the flight. And then I get to sit down, buckle up and eat my fucking sandwich. And we weren't even in Europe yet.

Yeah. Yeah, so zero, hour negative four. Yeah. You're in panic mode. Yeah, basically. So we land in Berlin. We're like, wow, we made it. Like, damn, I hope this dress is over.

The guitars never show up. Oh, my God. So you were part of that wave of bands. Yeah, nobody had gear. All 100 bands who needed to borrow guitars. Did you get them back? Yes. Some bands didn't.

Yes. straight up didn't. I don't think Dead Heat got their gear back. Dead Heat flew Air Lingus, bro. Oh, Arlingus will get you every time last. They got us. They got us good. They flew Aerigma, like, I'm sorry.

I'm a lot of survivor personally. So I... Devere told you, we flew to Costa Rica one time and we had a layover in Panama. And we literally are on the plane in Panama leaving to go to Costa Rica. And we look out onto the tarmac. and there are baggage handlers holding our guitars in the cases,

like pretending to play him and other dudes doing mariachi. Like, they're like pantomiming. Are you? That's kind of sick. On my mother. Oh, it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen in my life. James and I fucking die, dude. That's the best part of their day is being like, oh, my God, a guitar.

It was crazy. It was incredible. It was incredible. Who's on that plane? Also, a thing, when we first started going to Europe and flying, over there, it was like, oh, don't check your guitar ever. Never. Date check, yeah. Always gate check it.

Or try to carry it on and put it in the closet, and they fucking hate that. The closet, dude. They hate that we know that hack. Yeah, they hate it. They used to be like Taylor had, I remember Taylor had the like printout or like the screenshot on his phone. That was like, hey, here's the TSA fucking rule.

We have a thing. Yeah, we were locked. We were locked and loaded. We weaponized. Wow. Did it work every time? Worked I think once. Yeah, that's the. thing is the old straight up look at it and be like yeah. Well, you know why? It does say that. They got all their shit

in there. So they're like, no, it's full. My shit, my fucking eight bags are in there. Which it absolutely should be. I mean, that's fine. That's the one perk of the jobs. You get to put your eight bags in there. I get it. I will say it was probably

the funniest thing ever because when we got on our like connection in Germany our drummer Cole, like he always tries to bring like three or four carry-on bags. I'm like airing him out right now, but whatever. He tries to bring like many carry-on bags, too many, more than allowed. Why would he do that?

Well, he has a snare and his symbols and then he has like his whole thing, right? The symbols and the snare and the pedals you put in one bag, Cole, hit me up. We got to talk. You got to tell him this. But then those would have been lost too. well who knows maybe the little thing scattered why the German guy was like

I'm not picking up all of this maybe well so the flight attendant when he gets on the connection is like you're not allowed to have all these bags and he's yelling at him in German and he's like he basically makes Cole hold like stacks of bags

in his lap and under the seat in front of it on the ground like all these like rules that he's breaking basically sitting with like all this shit in his lap on like take off and landing. And he's sitting there like, like he's so bummed. It's one carry on and one personal item,

Cole. That's what I'm saying. Just like the rest of us. Yeah. One time we were walking through fucking Logan, the Boston airport. And the, it wasn't TSA.

It was security at the airport. So like a separate entity was like, you're carrying too many items. That's a thing. How many items did you? It must have been three. Literally, it was probably a guitar, like a bag and then like my bag bag. You know, I like to do a duffle and then like a backpack.

Of course. You know? And they made me like stuff my backpack into the duffel, I think. Something like that. They get weird about it. They get real weird about it. But it's so inconsistent. Yep.

I hate the inconsistency. And I hate it's the same with the border guys. I hate the fact that like, hey, you live in Chicago the same as me, Mr. O'Hare guy. Yeah. Fucking 20 feet away from this door. You're nothing. You're just flexing for some reason. Oh, my God.

Let me ask you something, Kat. And if it's in German, oh, my God. German aside, we're talking about carry-ons, you know? Yeah. As somebody who is endlessly swagged out, how much stuff are you traveling with? How are you handling that? Because you got a different fucking outfit every damn day. I'm not handling it well.

Let's be real. Let's be real. I have such a hard time, like, to the point that I actually pissed off my band. like seriously on the last big chunk of tour by having a bag that I could not carry. And I would have to be, I would have to bother them to help me carry it to and from where we were sleeping, where we were like everything. It was so dark. And everyone was just like, that would not fly.

No. It wouldn't. But here's the thing with Scowl, they have to understand that your endless swag is part of the, that's part of the thing. Exactly. I'm figuring it out. I'm trying to like figure out a way to like find balance with it. Because the other thing is I packed a lot at the beginning of that tour specifically thinking like I'm on months worth of tour. I'm going to get so tired of these outfits. Like let's just like pack a ton. I didn't think that I would probably end up getting and like buying so much shit while I was on the road that I shouldn't have been spending my money on. But like, you know, it's fine. What do? Sometimes you see sometimes you just got to buy. I love to spend. Stuff is so much cooler than money.

Yeah. Yes. Oh my God. I love stuff. It feels so good. We're in inflation zone, right? You know, we're about, it may be a recession coming. Who knows?

This while money, while the economy is inflating, if you spend it now, it's worth the most. You're going to get the best deal because it's going to be inflated later. Yeah. Spend. I just talked about how I went grocery shopping for, one meal and I bought a thing of cat food. It was $50. Cat food?

No, no, total. But I bought four ingredients and a box of cat food. And I spent $50 fucking dollars. Dude, it's expensive to eat. It's expensive to live. It's like kind of fucked up. But like, I think money's fake. Money literally like it comes and it goes.

You don't know when you're going to die. So spend it while you have it. Amen. Amen. Do you wear, this is kind of a strange question, but I don't mean it that way. Do you wear different stuff at like every show,

like every set? You know what's funny about that? I'm like on tour, obviously. There's certain outfits that I'm like, oh, I really like this one. So I'll wear this, I'll wear like a specific one. Like sometimes a handful of times

just because like it feels comfortable, it feels good. Like I can move around in it. And like I like how I look in it. Whatever. And then, but sometimes. if I try to wear

repeat an outfit like two nights in a row or something Malachi will tell me he's like you wore that last night and I'm like I know like I don't really care and you don't get the privilege of gig clothes because of the swag well

kind of I don't know I feel like I should I feel like I should I just but he he's always like kind of like there to be like extra brain cells for me because there's not a lot going on. So he'll kind of be like, well, maybe it'll help for like the photos or whatever, this or that. And I'm like, okay, God damn it. Like, you know, but a lot of the times it just ends up being that like I just get bored really quickly. And I have so much clothes. Like, in fact,

I actually just recently went through my closet and I'm getting rid of like 10 bags of clothes. Like I only need a lot of bags. I have a problem. Like I have a lot of shit I don't need. Well, Malachi has a solution. It's. Henry Rollins played in like the same shit every night. Exactly. For like eight years. Like mini black shorts and that's it. Well,

yeah. He looks cooler than anyone on earth. He has the privilege of looking cool without a shirt on, though. But okay, he could have been, he also wore that little mesh tanky topy thing. Yeah,

well that probably don't stank because it's mesh. You know, let's be real here. His shorts were probably so disgusting. So disgusting. One of my favorite, um, audiobook.

Well, actually the actual book is awesome because of the pictures, but getting the van is amazing. And genuinely, there are times where, not so much anymore, but there were times where touring was hard. And I would like get so, like, sick of whatever we were doing that I would put that on and like listen to it. And it would actually like kind of ground me.

Yeah. Because it's like, yo, he sat in a box truck with all the gear. Yes. With no lights on, no windows, no air conditioning, nothing for 12 hours. I read that in, um, our band could. save your life or what is that book? I think that's what it is, something like that. And it's like, it kind of covers

the same thing and about how he like, he's just a, he's. Well, yeah, he's a freak. Yeah. I really appreciate him though because I'm like, damn, like, I want to be like that. But I'm not. Rollins really is for me one of the, he's the opposite of

dancing where it's like, I never want to meet dancing, but I love his music. Yes. I would love to meet Rollins, but I can't stand any thing. I think I've heard like better stories about people meeting Danzig and like having a good experience than I have about like. That's the crazy thing. It's like Danzig in all facets seems to be a lovely guy. Yeah.

Other than like the past year or two, maybe he's just trying to try to see his way out. Dude, you know what? Fear played this weekend at Ride Fest. And I was going to go because they played the record. Yeah. And I was going to go. I was where I was going to have to leave work early, blah, blah, blah. I just didn't end up doing it.

And I kind of regret it because I would have really liked to see fear. It made me think, and this conversation fits with it, is like, I don't think there's anyone from back in the early 80s who you want to meet. No. They are really specific characters. And I think, like, now, like, we have such a, like, beautiful array of characters and people who come around and come through, like, subculture in the music scene and blah, blah, blah. And some of them are really strong personalities, and some of them aren't.

But back then I feel like only the strong personality survived. And I think that's part of why it's that way. Like someone like me. And most of them seem to be homophobic for some reason. I was just going to say in the decline too, leaving gets into a fistfight with a woman. Yeah. It just fights her on stage in front of a whole room of people.

That was just part of it, I guess. You're like, you know, we're rebelling against everything. The hands are pan. The hands are pan. everyone can get them. Well said. That's what they said in the 80s. Let me ask you something.

The Sonic, the Sonic parking lot thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. What the fuck happened there? How did that come to be? How did you get, how did you want up the Denny's thing?

I don't even know if we won up the Denny thing. Did somebody say, what the fuck is up, Sonic? I did. I did. You did? Oh, good job. Good job. It's a really easy joke to make.

I wouldn't give myself that much credit. It just would have been a waste if no. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that's kind of why I did it. And, well, we managed, it was already a book show. Jell was headlining. They were doing, like, a run or they're, maybe they still are with exhibition, sick-ass band from Buffalo.

Jell rocks. I fucking love them. And I guess they had booked a couple shows before, like, with this Sonic. So they had had shows there before, but I think this was probably like the biggest. Yeah. I don't know how. Apparently the guy's just with it. I don't know.

Like the owner? Yeah, I think the owner. And it happened after the sonic closed. Like the show didn't start to like 11. So, but that one was probably the craziest one considering like the fireworks and, you know, like Sunny from hate 5, 6 came out. And it was just like it had a lot of hype. And then we also did the surprise set. And it was a party.

It was really fun. It was cool. were a surprise on that? Well, I think some people kind of knew, like, the day of, but we weren't, we weren't on the lineup. Like, it was supposed to be, like, a surprise, yeah. Fun. So fun. Wow. And then it became a legendary thing.

It was nuts. I got, like, a firecracker, like, thrown in my hair. I will not name who did it. But he felt very bad. With you? No. Actually, surprisingly. It, like, burned my back. It was kind of crazy. I was like, oh, shit. Like, and then it, like, you know, there was fucking fireworks everywhere and when it's

Sonic before the show? No, I didn't. I was really nervous. I was kind of nervous because I was I was like hoping that you know, maybe like we play like an okay. I don't know. I just get in my head. I you're worried about the like performance at the Sonic Parkinlai show. Because you know that's going to rock no matter what. Yeah. Well, let's be real. When do you think this is going to air by the way? I have a question.

Thursday. Thursday. Okay. Okay. I'm trying to, I don't know if I should, like, something embarrassing happened to me during this set. Okay. Oh, this would be such a good clip. Whatever you're about to say.

And it, people will know once the, the video comes out. But I had a wardrobe malfunction. Oh, no. And it had to be blurred out for like 30 seconds. And it was like the most, like, sickeningly embarrassing thing that's ever. happened to me, but I had to own it and make a joke out of it because, like,

what else am I going to do? What are you going to do? God forbid, you know, like shit happens. So that... Did you have an N-word, S-word? That's a crazy... Yes, yes. Yes.

Nip slip. Okay, it rhymes with blip clip. Sorry. N-word S, I don't know what I was thinking there. Well, that is... I'm very sorry. It's okay, but it was really funny. But you turned it into a moment of power and that's...

Well, it was funny. And like, looking back, it's hilarious. Like, I felt really embarrassed, but I was like, you know, it was going to happen one day. Like, I feel like it's going to happen eventually and like, you know, whatever. Anyways, that happened. And then, like, Malachi's guitar got cut out because some kid fell on his, like, cable and broke it. And, like, it was just like super chaotic and the fireworks and everything. So in my head after I was just like, what the fuck?

just happened. But it was cool. It was crazy. You said that chaos is like, yeah. Like, oh, no, this chaotic thing got us out. When in reality, the people are watching, they're like, whoa, the chaos just made it in Stargoal.

That's pretty badass. It was very punk. And like, I'm not complaining about that. I think it was cool. I just, I, yeah, it was a moment for sure that I will always remember. me too you ever you ever do any random like

last minute shows like that Colin no not not N word S words I've had many N word still still fucking me up I have one during the hardware all the time yeah that's true

I'm wearing sleeves today so I'm safe Mark safe from Nip Slips Clips Colin is today oh man last minute shows like that actually yes the one time we tour with Madball

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I was in high school and I was not into hard creak yet but that's cool because I grew up in Sacramento so there you go it's right by the in and out in Davis I don't know love Davis love Davis in and out that so that was that was cool we played

South by Southwest once and there was like a they have a pedestrian bridge in Austin that bands do shows on. That's so sick. So we like, and like they have a generator. It's like a whole thing. And everyone shows up and fills up this bridge and blah, blah, blah.

So you play the, you play the bridge there, the legendary bridge? Well, so this was this was like the little surprise pre-show. We had an actual show the following day at the, at the fest. But we like showed up and I forget what the whole band was arguing about something. I forget what. We were just like, I think we did like three shows in a day and this was going to be like the third. And it was like a whole thing where it was just like, what are we doing? A bridge, you know, kind of a thing.

Yeah. And we like get there. Two bands had played. The cops shut it down and we didn't play and we got paid. Oh, we got paid. You didn't play though? No, we didn't play. I mean, I feel like they were straight up like, sorry, we can't do it.

Here you go. Like, thanks for coming. We were there. We were there. You're ready. I think you're ready to play. Damn. I feel like I love those gorilla shows the most, like the outdoor, like, random surprise, like chaotic thing. Like, we've played like a small handful of shows like that.

You've done so many of them. We've done, we did like one in Oakland. We did one before the pandemic under like an overpass in Chico, California. And then we did. That's made up. That's a made up place. It's not. It's the fakes place. It was weird.

Um, it was awesome though. And then we did the one at Sonic and we did the RBS show. Okay. You get it what I'm saying. I just can't like the concept of Sonic is just. It was awesome. It was cool. I just like I want to play at a fucking Taco Bell now, you know?

Oh, you should. Play out of Portillo's. A Taco Bell can'tina. Ooh. Get boozy. Two drink minimum. Come on. Yeah.

Yeah. Now we're talking. Uh, but real quick, I know we, we kind of already. moved on, but I just want to know, because we didn't really get to it, how was after you got to Europe, after the whole ordeal with the airport and everything? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we kind of like skipped. So how was like the tour?

Like, I know outbreak was crazy. Who were you with just for the club shows? Most of them, we were with Touche and Mori, like in the UK. And then- probably great. It was awesome. It was cool. It's definitely like awesome playing shows with them and seeing like how their fans are like

so. devoted, like, tushay fans are tushy fans, you know what I mean? It's crazy. But that's also a thing, too, that we should address Colin that we literally never talk about because we shit on Europe so much, is that, like, the people who you have in Europe,

who are, like, fans of your band are fucking awesome. They're lifers. They're absolutely lifers. There's a couple guys. Stephen? Stephen? I think you watched the show. There's probably a Stephen in Europe. It's him.

And there's this guy Roman, dude, that he's always there. He bought every shirt. I love that. He hits his ass off. And then he's, and then you see him after and he's like, cool, thanks, but. All right. That was perfect. See, Romans.

Yeah. The thing that I experienced the most, like, in Europe proper, because we did mainly fest in Europe. And then, um, which is different for sure. I think we did like a, like, like, maybe two or three. We did some shows of, like, one step closer that were just like club shows, like normal shows. Um, but for the most part, we did. we defest the thing that I experienced the most that I've never experienced in the States

is people walking up behind me with their phones out and their camera ready and going selfie like can we take a selfie with it out taking the photo already I've never ever at the show or on stage at the show wow so like either before after we played like and I was just like okay like uh whereas in the u.s people will like kind of walk up and they'll be like can we get a picture like yeah um they were very bold about that that one was like kind of jarring um but for the most part i i'm gonna be real i hide from the merch table like i don't do it anymore i used to do merch a lot for scow um and now i i don't as much um just because you're just gonna get you're just gonna get punished yeah you know it just and people people mean well but they don't

People don't realize what they're doing. Yeah. And- I love the fucking line. Straight up. That too, you know. Exactly. So I just avoid it.

In Europe, I got kind of lucky, like, kind of avoiding some of that. And it's not let I like, I like meeting people and talking to people. And like, I enjoy, like, really wholesome interactions a lot. But sometimes I just get overwhelmed, I think. It's so draining. Like, yeah. Again, I was at Riot Fest for. fucking two hours and I was exhausted.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Just being around people and stimulation and just like standing for a little while. People just swarmed you. Oh, dude. I could not take a step, brother. No. The guy from your gym found you.

Just just in general like being around people. It's exhausting. I'm not like much of a, I like people. I like socializing, but I'm, I guess I like people. I like people a lot. I love socializing. I love my friends. I'm just, I get kind of tapped out.

Like, Sound and Fury weekend, like, I was having the hardest time because I hadn't talked to that many people in, like, the span of, like, what, like, 24, 70, I don't know how many hours. Three years? Dude, it felt like that. And, like, so long. And I was just like, holy shit. Like, my head was pounding by the end of every night.

And, like, I felt, like, kind of. kind of anxious and awkward and I was like, I don't know how to interact with all these people and like do all this. But like luckily I see him 10 times in a row and you got to say hey every time. Yeah, exactly. Like at what point do we just put our eyes down and keep walking? Exactly. Oh, don't you hate that? I mean, I get it.

You just sometimes you and you and a person whoever will just kind of concede like, hey man, like that's my move, man. That's the move. If I've said hi to somebody too many times, I will walk the other way. I'll be like, I can't do it. But we all, but would you ever do that to me? You're different, Bo. That's what I'm saying. You're attached to the back of my ass.

You're growing on my ass. I can't avoid you. Bo's not like other girls. I'm not. I'm different. But like seriously, like, I just mean like there's like levels of friends. There's levels of relationship. So we're like, you have those ones where it's just kind of like you do the.

Hey again. Hey. I hate that. It's so awkward. I hate it. Yeah. It's challenging. But it is what it is like I don't know Europe was fun because it was like a lot of new people and

Sure a lot of interesting interactions like very very interesting interactions You remember dude did you get I'm sure you got a couple classic Euroisms do any come to mind like New album is shit but you so great live but my all my friends hated the show yeah yeah I get the like don't expect sound from you I Like so scary. Like, you know, and I'm just like, I don't know, man. Thanks. I don't know.

I don't know what to tell you. Like, I didn't expect it either. I don't know. Yeah. But I avoided people a lot in Europe, loki. I was just like, I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. I'm going to sit in the green room and eat hummus.

Like, we're good. Let me ask you. Do anybody in your band smoke cigs? Yes. So. Malachi smoked cigs? No. He... Oh, no, he's O.G. Edgeman, right?

He's not edging anymore. He's... And he hasn't been straight-edged for, like, years. We gotta go. He actually recently stopped drinking, though. Which is good. He was, like, fucking hammered the entire weekend of Soundup Fury. Like, he was blasted. Like, I didn't not know where he was.

I saw him a bunch. I didn't know where he was. Yeah. But me and Bailey both have, like, a nicotine addiction. Oh, you partake in the cigars. Well, I haven't smoked cigarettes. in a long time. It's vaping. I love. I love vaping.

I love vaping. I hate that I love it. There's the clip. This is the clip. Breaking News, Cat Moss loves vaping. But now it's like illegal. They're trying to stop vaping once the problem. Whatever. What are your thoughts? It tastes good and it's really like

nice and it's fun and kids should do it. It gets demonetized immediately. I've been thinking about You know, I'm getting into SIGs. Like, emotionally, I'm getting into things. Like the idea. The idea of SIGs is there's nothing in the world more appealing to me.

So I really, I really resonate with what you're saying. But nothing beats, like the vape. I got a hold of, it's like, I got enough technology. I don't need to charge another thing. I need another USB mini, USB micro. I just love that I can wake up in the morning and like, Vap I'm awake

But I haven't bought a vape That's breakfast Yeah Oh yeah What kind of charging port does it have Well I get I get the disposable

One That is so Eco Non-friendly Cat You know what Aren't you vegan? Not anymore

I'm vegetarian Yeah Huge win for the show Another one down I don't know why you think I'm a good person. Like, kidding.

I'm, I am vegetarian. I enjoy an egg. I like eggs and like, you know, I don't know. I'm so with you on the egg thing. Like,

you have an omelet? Are you an omelet girlie? Like an over easy with like, oh, okay, that I'm the same. Like some fried rice. That's like an advanced egg.

Hit it with the fork on the top and it runs. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. I love that. A little bit of avocado. part of my day. Like, like, that is lit.

If I, if I fry the eggs too much, though, I get kind of, like, nauseous. Like, it grosses me out. I don't know. It's, there's a very fine line. Yeah. I'm with you there because if I order an egg over easy and it's over medium, I'm like, well, this is, this is, there's some mistake here. I need a little bit.

Communication break time. I need, like, a little bit of goo in there, but not like. The booger. The booger. Yeah. I need some of that egg booger. Not so much that it's just sunny side up. You know what I mean?

Sure. No, no. You got to flip. it for 10 seconds at least. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I don't know how I got here. Well, we were talking about Edge and then veganism, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Vaping and eggs is what you've been really into lately. It brings us to a good... How did you eat in Europe? You played a lot of fest. Yeah. So you're kind of getting catering. Catering. Catering. I love catering.

After we did the limp biscuit tour, I was like, damn. I don't want to go back to the DIY life. Like catering, bro. Limpisket's got like catering. Oh, Limbiscuits got the best catering ever. They have like vegan options. They have got like, they had like at one point, we played like a Mohegan son.

And it had like, it was like. C-THC. Hot brownie, like hot brownies with ice cream like at catering. Alamode? Alamode, bro. It was so good. But in Europe, I ate pretty great because there's a lot of vegetarian vegan options. I try to eat vegan when I can because I like, I like prefer that.

Some of it is good. And you know, they've got good donuts and stuff. Oh, yeah. And like specifically in the UK, there's a lot of good shit to eat. Like, there's a lot of options in my opinion. I don't give a shit about beans and toast. But like if you go to Starbucks and like or like any like coffee shop in the morning, like they all have like vegan breakfast sandwiches all over the place. Did you try the beans and toastings?

Yeah, it's fine. It goes pretty hard. I like it. I love the fairy. I don't dislike it. Did you take the fairy? Yes. Oh, my God.

The fairy food, bro. The fairy food is awesome. The fairy breakfast was lit. And then we were like... The tomato? Dude, I love it. I love the tomato. Are you being serious, Colin?

I love the tomato. Dude, me too. Everybody shits on it. I love tomatoes. I love tomatoes, bro. in Europe proper, all we fucking ate was falafel. If we weren't catered. It was falafel, kebob, like, because the boys eat meat.

So they all got kebabs. I would get falafel. That was like every fucking day, especially if we were like drinking and like kind of getting wasted. If you're up late, it's their equivalent to Mexican food. Yeah, exactly. Scal party is pretty hard, you're telling me. We do have one straight edge member, but the rest of us, yeah. We party.

Is it Cole with all the carry-ons? What did you? Come on. We have to take Cole under our collective names. I know, man. Cool. What are you doing, man? He's like, I think he's going to be straight-exter and he's got all the carry-ons. I think he's going to be like a lifer because he does have like a straight-edge belly rocker.

Like he has like a tattoo. Well, let me ask you this. Is he like a weed smells good, Edgeman? No. He's like really like. He's a lifer. Yeah, he's a lifer. All right, he's fine.

Bless his soul. Good guys are a lot long for this world. Yeah. I just remembered we played, we were in Berlin once and there was a taco, like a little taco vendor like out on the street. Okay. They were Mexican dudes from L.A. Who moved to Spain.

Okay. Who then moved to Berlin because like the food, like I guess, you know, the restaurant industry, blah, blah, blah. So they had like a little like food truck kind of thing. But they were they were Mexican emigrants who wound up in L.A. and then went to space. So like they spoke broken everything except for Spanish, but none of us spoke Spanish. So it was literally like, I'm kind of casa, thank you and a coke, porfavor.

Like that's how everything, like it was three languages. There's no way you can get carnisada. That's absolutely what they had. Dude, you want to know what's sick? This is the sickest part. At the end, I asked him for cilantro. And he was like, oh, like, we only take this out for, like, people who ask. Yeah.

Yeah. They, like, had it in a little bag for cilantro. The European gene pool is, like, I think they got the, like, cilantro tastes like soap gene, you know? Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. That's a bummer. Me. Yeah.

I can't do it. You don't like it? You can't help it. What are you going to do? I kind of like how it tastes like soap. You do have the soap, but you enjoy the soap? I think that's what it is. Because it doesn't taste great, but I kind of like it.

I love it. But I also, I don't know. I grow it. I have it on everything I can. You're sick, man. Little cilantro on scrambled eggs, scramble eggs. No problem. Just give me some salt.

I got water burger spicy ketchup now in the fridge, so I put that on my eggs. For sure, for sure. I feel like in Europe, we ate. better than we've eaten like in the Midwest ever like now Midwest hold it's okay not Chicago Illinois is not the Midwest we've talked not like I'm talking like Midwest like I know it's not that far away from each other but Indiana specifically like I have never hated myself more and been struggling so much more like with eating on tour than I did in Indiana specifically would you eat like grits and shit or we got

fucking Taco Bell because it was like the only thing that was open and it was every single person's order was wrong. Like and I hate to be that person because I'm like, oh, you're not. They are. California Taco Bell is different, you know? Taco Bell is also the place that can like do it all. And like we know that you can do this. Exactly. So don't fuck around.

Make this shit right. Exactly. What's really interesting is is sometimes with things like Taco Bell, in a smaller town, they're like, they don't have the stigma that a California Taco Bell employee would. So they do go harder. But then there's those weird,

random cornfield Taco Bell. Like, why is this here? Where you go there and it's like, you're like, this isn't even food. I mean. Yeah. I mean. They grilled the rapper.

What am I doing? No, literally. I wish I had like specific memories from that Taco Bell experience. but like everyone was like actually blind with rage because of the level like the food was just so wrong. It was not Taco Bell. Oh my God. I have a question for you guys.

Yes, please. What? Are we moving on from Taco Bell? Well, kind of, but no, but kind of. I have just the, we got time. I have the quickest story about Taco Ball before you ask, but please remember. Colin, you're going to appreciate this. It was late.

I ordered Taco Bar. at like 2.15 in the morning. What? After I left the misfits. I was just like, I'm home. I'm hungry. I want Taco Bell. I don't have a car.

So I ordered it. The dude text me. He's like, hey man, I'm at, I'm at this Taco Bell. It's fucking chaos. Like,

I can't guarantee you're going to get anything. I'll cancel the order. And I was like, dude, cancel the order. Bring me anything without sour cream. And I have cash for you. Damn.

Because he's not, because he's not far. And he was like, all right, dude, I got you. He showed up with four Dorito tacos and two burritos without sour cream on him. And I just gave him $15 cash. That's lit. And he didn't pay for the food. It was like a guy's order.

Oh. It was like some whole gimmick. So I didn't pay full. It was amazing. We hugged. Wow. He was like, thank you, man. I was like, thank you.

You guys said like a drug deal with. Taco Bell. It was a great night. That's amazing. Off the grid Taco Bell. Yeah. Hand off. Fuck, yeah.

That's like black market Taco Bell for sure right there. I was going to say, what did you guys, what have you guys collectively sworn off completely from eating at on tour? Subway. Subway. Same. Same. That's like top of the list. Subway.

It'll never. Never. I will eat. I will eat beef jerky and chips from the gas station that this shitty fucking subway is crammed. into before I ever try to have a tomato from Subway. Dude, I don't know what it is. I'll eat a ham and cheese hot pocket before I'm so glad that you guys are on the same level with me on this because we like collectively, we learned the hard way one time where we were like,

we just need a vegetable. Like, you know, you get so tired. We're like, okay, fuck it. Let's just hit Subway. We wouldn't normally do this. I've yet to experience that emotion. I'm waiting. Maybe I'll get there.

Someday. You know, there's not really many options. So it's like, fuck it. And then we all get it and we're like, this is so bad. Why the fuck did we do this? And then it took two experiences. So we're kind of dumb. So it takes us learning the hard way.

It was another instance where we were like, kind of like, we couldn't make any more stops besides getting to the show. We're kind of like, we're pushing time. We're not like late, but like, you know. Yeah. And the only option for like a meal is subway. and everyone's like fuck it, like I guess I'll do it and that was like the last time

I actually think I cried into that subway I was so upset and then the other one I've sworn off completely that like my band gives me shit for but like I will stand by it is Duncan I fucking hate Duncan Oh that is bad news I'm sorry if it's fighting words

You're against me now for sure I literally don't understand how people can like Duncan Kat are you a gambler I don't know Like, that's a no. Depends. Like.

Duncan is for gamblers. Okay. Yeah, no. I'm not going to fucking, no. You got to go in accepting that you're drinking poop or you're drinking gold. You know, there's acceptance that comes with Duncan. Well, it's not just a coffee. It's like the snacks.

Like, oh, but dude, egg and cheese on a bagel? Uh-uh. The last time. They were like the first ones that have an impossible thingy. I know. I never got to try it because Duncan is. isn't really a thing where I live really that much. Yeah.

It really disperses as you go west. Yeah. Well, just got west. That's the thing. Yeah. It's so insane. I just,

I can't. I fuck Duncan forever. I fucking hate Duncan. Like actually fighting words, like do not fuck with Duncan. Yeah, next time you're in Van Nuys, well,

I'll take scowl to my Duncan. No, bro. Or my, my poopies still. We'll either serve you gold or poop. We'll see. I will. You know,

the funniest thing about Duncan, too, guy all the time. I love cold coffee. And it's the one place where I don't mind granulated sugar in my coffee. What do you need the granulated? You do

that's just how they always, when you ever used to get nice coffee, that's how they always used to make it. Yes. Different now. So when I I understand, but now when I go, I'm like, oh, I'm getting the one with the fucking grit I'm going to chew as I drink. Sounds disgusting and kind of is.

I'm just saying, I love it, though. I love Duncan. I mean... The caramel. Bow runs on Duncan, brother. Caramel syrup. Oh. You put me out of the toasted almond?

Toasted coconut. What was the sugar-free one that you used to... I would never put anybody onto the toasted coconut. I'll tell you that right now. Was it almond? Maybe. I did this? Yeah.

It was you specific. It was when we were both ketogenic monsters. Yeah. Ketaman. I might have. I don't know. Let's see. What's another one I've sworn off?

Burger King, I've gotten to the point where I won't do it. It's pretty low on the list, yeah. It's like, I really don't fuck with Hardy's or Carl's Jr. I never feel like I have a good time. Yeah, you have to love Carl's. They give you the beyond. Yeah, they got everything you need. I love, I hate, I am a Burger King apologist.

But they have the impossible offer. I will give you this. The thing is about Santa Cruz is it's a hippie town. And drive-thrus are not allowed here. So there's only a small like a handful like four drive-thrus in total in Santa Cruz. One of them is a Jack-in-the-box, which I can't eat anything at. The worst. One of the worst.

I don't give a fuck about Jack-in-the-box. The other three are Burger King. What? They got the monopoly? Yes. There's not. There's no in-and-all. That's like a city thing?

There's no in-and-out drive-thru there? There's no in-and-out. They won't allow it. There's also no billboards in Santa Cruz. Oh, we have a town like that here. The hippie town, bro. There's no Carl's Jr. There's no.

We do have, um, A&W and or not and, not ANW. Fucking, um, we do have, what's the one with the chicken? I don't need it. Chick-fil-A? No, no, we do not have chick-fil-A.

Yeah, way too. Um, way too advanced. No. KFC? Yes. I mean, I could have gone days. Yeah, no. Well, we literally just don't have,

Zach. Dude, Zaxby's actually is kind of lit. They have good salads. Low key. When you order the salad, they were like, are you serious? We got one. Yeah, they were like, Stephen, what's the salad order? So Burger King, so here's why Burger King upsets me because I love it.

I was a BK, I was a BK kid. Yeah, yeah, same. But I'm crossed. I've been crossed too many times. I was there. the day that the fries relaunched as a promotional thing for Toy Story 2 I was there

for the Mr. Potato Head fries, okay? Do you remember the tacos? Of course I remember the tacos. Dude, two for a dollar. Yeah, that's still the jack-in-the-box deal, brother. Which I know that's what they were trying to do, but we don't have jack-in-the-box here, so So you ate those Burger King tacos? Dude, Chris and I, I lived

two minutes from a Burger King. Chris and I would walk up after band practice in fucking middle school. And with five bucks, you could eat like a God damn king. Yeah, I guess so. But there was like Burger King had a crazy dollar menu at the time. I would have said, dude.

I would argue they had the best dollar menu plain burger. It's hard to beat a McDouble for $1.6. The McDonald's, the McDonald was not around yet in this era. But I mean, but it was. Okay. Well, all right. The double cheeseburger, I guess, was. No, it was a McDouble.

The McDouble came around later. Cat, yes. Yes, please. Miss Moss. Yes. Distract us. What do you guys think of, European McDonald's though.

You know, that's a good question. I think European McDonald's is a million times better than any fucking fast food restaurant I've ever had. Actually, no, that's not true. What did you get, though? Well, anything that was vegan or vegetarian. So it's all that lens.

The different world. Exactly. McDonald's in the UK and in Europe, though, is like, we like ate it a fucked ton. It was so lit. I loved it. I will say this. Breakfast McDonald's in

like Germany. They have fucking chicken McMuffin. Or the Roasty where they put the little hash brown on. Why don't we have that here by the way? How is it not an egg McMuffin with hash brown on? We are very behind in McDonald's breakfast's European technology.

But here's the problem with the burgers and stuff and the nuggets. They're all like pre-made and just sitting there. So. Oh. Yeah. So they're not dropping them.

They're not dropping them fresh ever. I didn't know that. Customize them. So if you look in the McDonald's in like Germany or something, you will see a row of each item. So they just got backstocked. They're just backstocked. So that's what you're eating. I don't fuck with that.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So when you said that, I was like, Kat, what are you doing? I don't know. But you're, but you're eating what the McVegie? Yeah. The Mcplant and McPlantent, McVegan, Mick. That's safe.

The thing about McDonald's is you could preserve, a Big Mac could sit on my desk for 10 years, and I could safely eat it. Yeah. Give or take, give or take a couple years. Nine, maybe nine.

But then there's the other considerations, which I know we've talked about at nauseam, but it's, you know, we should bring it up again, is you're getting an undercarbonated diet Coke with no ice in it. Yeah.

That's a problem. That's a problem. I'm not like a huge. soda person always. Like, if I, like, that soda that I got at the airport was, like, a big deal for me. I try not to overdo the soda. Diet soda either. You're out.

Oh, no, not diet. Absolutely not. If I'm going to get a soda, I'm going to get the real shit. Okay, we need to, we need to clip together. I love vaping and, oh, no, not diets. No. Exactly. My.

Is that for health reasons or do you just think it tastes bad? It tastes disgusting. It's nasty. Well, here's the thing. You are like a, you're a fit. young woman, you know, when you look like Bo and I, a soda will do a full sugar soda, like if I drink it at noon by 3 p.m. when I've finished consuming that full sugar soda, I'm like, oh my God, there it is.

Like I can look down and be like, whoa, the soda. Yeah. This is not a 20 ounce sprite that I've been nursing for two days. Two days? That's excessive. Okay, but. Too much sugar. I will say like if I drink like a Baja blast or something like I will not be able to go to sleep like my heart's pounding and my hands are shaking with like the sugar and caffeine intake on that like I can't do it.

Can I ask how old you are? Is that really an offensive? No, it's not at all. I just turned 25 actually. So I mean, I think like, you know, all the all the like the vaping and the sodas and sitting on my ass in a van like it's going to catch up to me. me soon. Sitting more than all of those things, sitting on your ass in the van is going to catch up to you. Mr. Back pain, he comes to collect. I hate it. I hate it. My ass hurts. Yeah, it's so bad for your hips.

Yes, it's so bad for. It's the worst. I've been, like, trying to figure out, like, talk to people about, like, what their routines are on tour because, like, I don't know if, like, I just need to get up early and, like, do stretches and, like, do a run or something. Like, God forbid that actually happens. Like, I want to do that. But like let's be real like that is going to require so much for me.

I don't know if I have that. You got to do it. Then you got to just you got to do the shower after. You got to, you're going to wake everybody up going back in the room. It's a whole thing. You got to be on a certain kind of tour to pull that. Yeah, that too. The guys, I mean, I, I gym the least, me and Casey Jim the least.

Yeah. Nick Chris and James, obviously James, Jim's a lot on tour and Chris does too. and they just they wake up early and just go and like that fucking sucks because I hate waking up ever but they you know they do it but I just think it's great for your mind

and stretch is stretching is stretching is huge I'm a big fan of stretching. People don't realize how bad sitting is like for your hips and your back and how tight you get and like I'm literally like sitting like a fucking pretzel right now I'm like oh shit but like it's so bad for it like

sitting in driving the van. Like, that's a horrible position. Or sitting on a plane? Oh, God. Oh, my God. Human beings are not supposed to do that. No, I'm a big fan of getting up all.

That's why I sit in the aisle, always on planes, always. Exit Row aisle. That's my great secret. Exit row aisle is great. I'll spread down that motherfucker. Dude, I love going to the, what are they called the galleys, like on international flights? You just go and I love seeing, there's always the people who are just like, who everybody's just big stretching

that's the best what is that shirt we made a shirt with just the logo on the front dude it's the best one oh it's the anthony shirt yeah that's a good one Anthony pointing a weapon at the camera but he's practicing trigger safety is he in the he's straight up like this I always pay attention to that

it's important I always pay attention to when people like post pictures of them with guns and shit I'm like what are you actually being safe with it because I was raised like, I got shot. Excuse me? First the nips, live. Now you got shot? I didn't get shot.

I didn't get shot. It takes so long. My dad shot himself in the hand. Wow. When I was a kid. You know, that was a sentence until the last syllable was finished that I really didn't know. Where it was going to go. I haven't breathed until I just said that.

My dad shot himself in the hat. It was like. Okay. Is he okay otherwise? Yeah, his hand's still there. Everything's fine. All right. Okay, cool.

So my dad, like, used to take me hunting on my birthdays. Like, I, like, was real, real out there in the boondocks and the Hick lifestyle growing up. You said you moved to Santa Cruz. Where are you from? Like, kind of a small town outside of Sacramento. So, like, Northern California, I don't know. We were talking about Davis. Between Redding and Sacramento.

Talk about Davis earlier. And that drive from like the Bay to Davis or to Reno if you're going that far. I live off of the 80, Highway 80, going towards Reno, like in the foothills. Like that is where I grew up. It's pretty fucking white trash if I may say so. It's fucking kind of crazy out there. That was my life. A motherfucker's shooting their own hands out there.

Yeah. Shooting their own. I have like some actually insane stories. like about my, anyway, it doesn't matter. But like, like, my dad was on some other shit when I was doing. Now's not the time to share personal stories. Yeah, no. Nobody wants to know about that.

But it was, anyways, I was taught how to use a gun the proper way. And so I always pay attention when people are like, what's up, bro? Like, you know, anyways. But I know. I know what's going on. There's a couple. There's a couple, a couple things that I don't think. I'll ever do. Post a picture

of myself with a gun. It just seems silly. Post a picture of myself at some famous person's grave. I'm not going to do that. I took the... Well, I did it. I took the exact same pick that Danzig. The Danzig pick. That was the gimmick. And dude, so with that, that was like this

magical, serendipitous moment. Yeah. Because you can't go to the grave anymore. Right. The Elvis grave? I've been in Graceland. It's not, it's not open to the public. There's a big fence around it. A big fence. That's right. I brought my fucking big robe thing, my like fancy Rick Flair robe, to like take the picture and do like this special thing,

thinking it was just in a cemetery. So like Gabe the pigeon and I bought tickets to Graceland, got to that moment and I was like, well, this picture's not going to fucking happen. I can't get it back. What was the point? The skies turn black. Thunder and rain come down.

The entire, it's like a tour. It's part of a tour. This grave thing. The tour runs inside in, including security. Oh. And Gabe and I are just like, we did it.

We take the picture, the rain stops. Everybody comes back outside. It was like this beautiful thing where it was almost like Elvis was like, go ahead and take it, man. Watch out, man. No, wait a minute.

Is he actually, I know this is a stupid question, but is he actually buried there or is it a memorial thing? I think that's his actual grave. That's his actual grave site. Yeah. I just,

I don't know. I feel weird about, you know, like the Dimebag grave or the cliff spot in Sweden. Although he's not buried there, so I wouldn't feel weird. But the Dimebag grave is so sick looking. But I don't need that picture of me on the internet. I'll take a picture.

But that's for me. That's for Bo. But it's like, man, this is me. He's down there. I'm taking this picture with him. You just can't see him. Do you know the story about the Van Halen guitar that's buried with him?

No, I know he's in the kiss coffin, though. Dude, listen to this. This is an incredible story. Wait. Eddie Van Halen showed up to Dime's funeral. Okay. He brought the first like Frankenstein or whatever guitar that's on the back of the first record. It's the brown and yellow guitar.

He brought the original guitar and put it in the coffin with Daryl. And when Vinnie Paul was like, hey man, like are you sure? Like kind of whatever. He said Dime was an original so he deserves one. Wow. That's so sweet. Beautiful. Wow.

Just, just goats all around. In the kiss coffin. In the kiss coffin. So fucking sick. I want a kiss coffin. Honey, I'm wife if you're listening. Are you a kiss guy? Big time.

Okay. Huge. That tracks, actually. I like a kiss. I'm not like a obsessed. You a kiss guy, cat? You like cat kiss? Did you guys watch, did you grow up watching?

Detroit. Rock City? No. I've never seen that. I really want to. Oh my gosh. Literally. No. Kiss Gene Simmons Family Jewels, bro. That shit was so lit. I love that show. That's a great show. Kind of a kiss guy, I guess. I don't know.

I don't actually know that much kiss, to be honest, but... I'll sign you some tracks. It's pretty sick. I mean, I don't not like it. Malachi plays it a lot sometimes. Kisses fucking rock. He's sometimes, you know, he's feeling angsty, and I'm just like, okay. I'm feeling angsty.

I got to put on fucking, I was made for a lot. Exactly. Good for him. Good for me. I guess, you know, speaking of Sonic.

Yeah. This is the kind of the go-to question that we ask, I guess, right? So you scowls in a van, right? You're driving down. You're flying down the highway.

You got ample time. You got time. You got an hour and a half. You're like, we can't go there. Yeah, we'll be way too early. Look like losers. You see one.

one of them signs on the side of the highway with all the with all the fast food names on it what's the one where you're like pull this fucking down off the road now and go and take me oh man i feel like you're gonna hate this answer because like it's so everyone every a lot of people like would probably but bucky's probably oh okay that's that's a road that's a rote's a rote's a Renegate. Exactly. It is, it is. But they have food.

It's an experience. It's not just food. It's, you get to, like, be in there. Like. It's the best part about this movie is it feels like a movie. You do it. I get it, though. The best part about Buckies is it's like, it feels like a Buckies.

Like, have you had the, are you wrong? No. Have you had the vegan chicken from Panda yet? I just got it. I got it in Philly. So I know when I get it here, it's going to be better. But it was really good. It was really good.

It was fucking lit. And now every time we go to Panda, I actually have an option instead of just eating fucking chalman and farting up the whole band. Like, like, like. Are you flatulent? Every, dude. Your prone? Our van is stinky. It's not just me.

It's not just me. And Malachi. is a sick freak and he will not tell anyone and he won't roll any windows down like when he rips. I'm the same way for that's so fucked up. Isn't it though? Yes. I think that the people I'm with have a price

to pay and I think that's how they pay. They have to know what you smell like. I'm establishing the rules. Yeah. For me like for me it's like anyone else in the van we try we're like oh shit roll down a window

Hey guys, I farted. Sorry. You know, everyone's, like, really, like, cool about it. Because it's just how it goes. But Malachi is a sick freak. And he gets, like, a kick out of it. But that's just how he is. Again, going back to, like, who's the silly guy?

Like, we have silly guy Olympics in our band. So it's like, who can do, like, the most insane shit? What you're describing in Malachi is not what I would call a silly guy. It's more sociopathic. Malevolent? Malevolent. Very. actually nuts

there's a tour we did a tour once and we like we're so bored we like took out a Sharpie and he ripped out his dick and balls and like he like drew like faces on his dick and balls with the Sharpie I don't know where the story is going

but like we're just learning he also gets naked a lot and he'll like he'll get naked and yeah he's definitely the naked. The era of the naked guy is like kind of coming to you and in. But in your case, it's like, no, this is my boyfriend, guys, he's protected. I don't want to see it, man, but like, I guess

I have to, like, whatever. That's, I mean, you're federally. Yeah. You're, it's, it's just the rules. But like, so. He's going to be naked. He, he, he will get naked and like, like, if we're at a hotel, like, he will

run and jump on someone, like, on some other shit. Like, We do something called barassing when we get to like a hotel. Okay. What is the origin? Barassing is taking your bare ass and sticking it on something. Oh, barassing.

Oh, Barassing. What is the country of origin? I don't know. Can you use it in a sentence? We barass Cole's pillow on a regular basis when he's in the bathroom. Okay, barass. Barass.

Barass. Barass. B-E-R-E-R-E-A-S-S-S-I-N. NG. Barassing. Barass. Barassing. So we barraise.

Mainly we barass Cole. Oh, nice. Because he's the nerve of the band. We need to adopt Cole. No, you don't. I think I need to bully Cole. Foster son of the show, Cole. Bully Cole.

At all costs. At all costs. Because the thing is, if Cole's not getting bullied, it's me. So bully Cole at all costs. At all costs. But yeah, so I don't know how we got to this point. But barassing is like a, that's a scalal thing. That's like, I like it.

We usually take photos and then like send it to the person like a day later to like barrage your pillow. Remember this? Yeah, like. Remember this? You son of a bitch? Yeah. Yeah. It's hell of fun.

You believe in ghost cat? Yes. Now we have a, I've got an ally. Yes. You ever see a ghost? Yes. Would you care to share? Why don't you mute your mic for about five minutes?

I do have to pee really quick. Should I be a ghost and go pee really? You're going to hold your pee like a good boy. Kat, let's talk about ghosts. Do you not? Does he not believe in ghosts? He don't believe in ghosts. Of course not.

I'm an ally, okay? But I want to hear. I was touched. I was touched by a ghost. That takes a lot of spectral power to do. Right. That was a powerful ghoul. Patrick Swayzey trained for like two.

hours in that movie to be able to touch a camera. That's a movie. I get it. I'm just saying, I get it. Tell me about being touched. It was at... Tell the story.

It was at a quality inn in Iowa. Yeah, right? Right. And this was not on tour. This is when I was like 16. I was on a like 10 day road trip in my ex-girlfriends, like, with her family and in their Prius. Like it was like some other shit.

So, yeah. Um, we are, we get to this hotel. We have our own hotel room. It's really sweet. We, uh, she's like freaked out for some reason. She's like, I, I, this place is weird. I'm fucking scared. She like, will not, uh, I don't know. She's just sensitive. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. She was just like on one. And I was like, well, okay. Like, and like, she would not be in a room alone. Like, if she had to use a bad. I would go with her. Like, she was just like fucking freaked out at this hotel. And I was like, okay, whatever. We go to bed. I wake up and it's like a hard jab in my side, like hard jabs, like over and over and over. And I'm like kind of asleep.

I'm like, stop, stop fucking, stop poking me, you know, like, fucking stop. Like, what the fuck? And like, I kind of finally wake up. she's out of the bed like four feet away from me and she's like stop fucking stop stop and she like looks like she's like going to fucking breakdown crying and I'm like what the fuck like what happened like I basically wake up to this and she's like I wasn't touching you and I was like what do you mean and she's like fucking flipping out and she's like she sees something I don't know if she saw something but you felt it and you

But it was like, fucking, yeah, she wasn't touching me. She didn't touch me at all. So she was saying she was having like weird dreams. She was feeling weird the whole time, all this stuff. And we're like, okay. And so we like, we go to like where her parents are staying. We like knock on the door.

And we're like, we stay there the whole night in that room. And she was just totally spooked. But it freaked me out because I was like, bitch, what? You weren't touching me? Like, like it was like a heart. Like someone was trying to wake me up like heavily. And then I've also like seen weird shit like growing up. like in my child at home

I don't know like how to explain it because it was like creepy but like I believe in ghosts burial ground burial ground it was built on burial ground

I think so I had when I think back to certain stuff I have to make sure I wasn't I actually muted my mic because I didn't want to do I when I think back to certain memories and stuff

of like my house my childhood home growing up like it was creepy right it was creepy being alone as a kid was just like story it's one of the

worst thing. But I just want to point out. Trash at night. Oh, take it off the trash. Oh, God. I remember taking out the trash. Like, that was like one of my chores. Yes. And I didn't live like I own a big piece of property.

I lived in like a pretty normal suburban neighborhood. But like going out, I had like a huge phase when I was a kid where I was terrified of aliens. And I saw War of the Worlds. And I was like, bro, they're going to fucking get me. It scared the shit on me. Yeah, I was like.

First the world than me. Yeah, exactly. Tom Cruise acting in that movie is actually pretty good. Sorry. He's great, man. Low key, lokey. But that shit scared me. And then I remember also watching one of those, like, TV shows about, like, cryptids and shit.

And, like, it was, like, the one about, like, the Jersey Devil. And I grew up in California. But in my head, I was, like, bro, the Jersey devil was going to get me when I take that trash out. Like, I think it's the first episode of X-Files is the Jersey Devil. It is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, one thing I just want to point out and I mean no disrespect is just there's a common thread with all of these stories so far.

100%. It's always to do with bed falling asleep, sleeping something about. No, they're tricky, Bo. They know. Then why? Because they give motherfuckers like you and out by doing that at the time. Why is it not when you're at Elvis's grave that something happened? Well, because the rain, the sky opened up and flooded fucking biblically.

You're telling me that wasn't He's resting peacefully too Like he doesn't need to like pull hijinks on people You know Like this this quote If you die at a quality If I die at a quality in You just go

You bet your ass I am poking Every person that comes in there Dude I'm terrorizing the motherfucker Yeah I don't know why I got poked I don't know why I was like I literally couldn't understand Like I genuinely thought that She was fucking with me but like

It was just a goof of ghost. Here's the thing. I'm not, let me, can I, can I earnestly put it this way?

I'm not a ghost denier. I'm just not a believer. Okay. If I were to encounter and go through something that I truly couldn't explain, you know what I'm saying?

Well, I just have to say, I hope a ghost beats the shit out of you. Dude, I, I'm in all ghosts. I'm in over a hundred year old

building right here in Chicago. Any ghost? Come to me. I just, fuck with me. Like, It's whooped your ass. Just be just a ghost fucking.

Yeah, well, it's like, that makes me think of like, like, fight club. Yeah, right, yeah. Just beating myself. You'll be like, that was me. It wasn't even a ghost.

And yet there was an explanation for that movie, too, wasn't there? Well, that's not a ghost story, you kid. I'm just saying, they're supernatural. There's no fucking, but aliens is much scarier to me. Aliens freak me out, low-key.

More scarier. Did you see Nope? I have not. I really want to. It's great. I really want to, especially because, like, there's apparently a bunch of cool, like, punk t-shirts in it, and I'm like, well, that's exciting. Yeah, that's the weird.

That's so bizarre. And it's like, damn, you're just fucking up the market, brother. Why you put those in there? I was just reminded of the infest sticker in Bill and Ted. I didn't know that happened. The van, uh, the van in Bill and Ted's bogus journey is, like, loaded with shit. That's so sick. hardcore bands, like good hardcore bands.

That's so sick. What else? The bullies, the bullies and three ninjas have awesome Metallica stickers. All plus their designs. High Fidelity's, victory records definitely like furnished the store. Yeah. Because it's like integrity, blood for blood. Yeah.

Oh, airheads, their van. Oh, yeah. Airheads, their van. Is it also an infest sticker? No, it's obituary. It's obituary. It's obituary cannibal corp. It's like, it's like only cool shit.

I watched that movie for the first time, like not that long. like a month ago. Airheads is legitimately outstanding. It's so sick. Be Arthur. Outstanding. That's a movie where you're like,

yeah, I'm a rocker. I'm probably to be a rocker. Yeah, for sure. It's also a movie where it's like, if it's ever on, or if it comes across my Netflix, I'll put it on without question. I love.

The Kramer just as Kramer. Right. Why is he so obsessed with proctologists? He's got the whole bit in science. He's a weird guy. You could see somebody in the movie being like, you remember that Seinfeld bit you did about Proctology? Why don't you just do that the whole movie?

The whole fucking movie. Bring it back. Run it back. Framer as Kramer. Let's go. You've seen the Brendan Fraser shit recently where he was standing ovation. Yeah. I would love to give him like a warm hug.

Me too. Sounds kind of weird. No, no, it's not weird. He's like watching the podcast, I'm sure. like Brendan. Brendan. Yeah. Be Frasj, friend of the show.

Huge fan. But it's like where, you're, you're around the age of, of, at least of my age. Yeah. But like, I'm, I'm, I'm the, basically the Brendan Fraser generation. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought you were calling yourself. I'm the, like, Peter Fraser of Markler.

No, no. Well, you know, physically, physically I've maybe gone, undergone. similar transformations as Brandon Frazier for better and for worse but like in those the Brendan Fraser filmography

yeah is as defining to me as like the Tom Hanks filmography absolutely I love the mummy movies they're objectively as good as like Indiana Jones and Sino Man

yeah Sino Man is dude it's so lit like I don't know how that word got in my vocabulary recently. You're loving. You're lit, epic, epic, epic sauce vibes. Epic is, epic is incredible. Yeah.

It's fully back. Yeah. Braden Fraser's incredible. The first mummy and the second mummy are so fucking good. Yeah. I agree. I'll watch Scorpion King. I'm not scared.

Well, isn't the third one Jade Empire and it's a different Evelyn, which I don't, I don't fuck with that. Yeah, that's, she got recast for sure. It sucks. whatever. Because she's amazing. We can talk Brandon Frasier all day,

but I feel like we're kind of winding down here, Kat. And I'm about to burst. And Bo's going to piss himself. Bo, why don't you piss yourself for the show? Should I piss myself?

Yeah. Do we have any questions? I think I saw a couple like joke ones about Fred Durr, so I'm just not going to waste your time. Are you looking him up, Bo? I'm going to check. See what I got.

Check him out, brother. Check the hashtag We covered the good stuff Yeah What does Fred Durst Taco Bell order These lines Oh boy Um

What's next for you while he looks Yeah What's next for Scal We leave for tour In like two and a half weeks Already again I like just got home I'm like fuck okay

But You can kind of talk about what you Yeah we've got so we just recorded music I don't have any other any details I don't know when it's going to come out I don't know how it's going to come out I don't know anything

it's going to come out from from what what orifice I don't actually know but I am really excited because I really like the songs and I feel really confident about them.

So I'm very excited. And we did get the privilege of working with Will Yip in Studio 4, and that was like such a dream come true. And then we, yeah, we go on tour with the Bronx, the chats, and drug church. Holy fuck. Coming up. Marriachi Bronx or a regular Bronx? I don't know.

That means regular, I would have. They did a mariachi. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay, I'm going to out myself as like a, like, poser. I didn't know who the, this is, wait, maybe I shouldn't say this. I didn't know who the wrongs were, I didn't. That doesn't make you a poser. I've never heard a single wrong song other than the mariachi record.

That's because I tour with Louise, who listened to it every fucking day. Love Louise. Yeah, he's his best. I love him. I've never listened to them, but they're really cool and I'm really excited about the tour. And then we drop off at some point. and do like a headliner thing. Like it's going to be a bunch of like hardcore DIY shows with like

restraining order ankle biter, jive bomb. We're going to get a strange joy on the Texas state, school of Ellie. It's like a rapper. So sick. I feel like I'm forgetting stuff. I don't know. We're going to have a bunch of people on it.

It's going to be sick. I'm kind of nervous because we haven't really played that many headliners. It's the, it's the benchmark. I don't know. I'm scared. I wouldn't, don't worry. It'll be fun.

Don't stress it, cat. That's where the, that's where the, that's where the money is. Yeah. Uh-huh. You're gonna make the goddamn money.

We'll see. You'll be like, oh, okay, finally, you know. Yeah. That's,

that's kind of like, I just want to be able to order, like, a Mexican pizza and a crunch up Supreme when I go to Taco Bowl and not just like the crunch wrap. So like, slow it out.

Yeah. Taco Bell, the Taco Bell, inflation, and it really hit hard. I used to be, I used to be eating good for under five bucks there. Yeah.

If I, if I, if I like door dash Taco Bell for me in a while, it's like, that's like $30. It's like $50. It's expensive. Get like a full two person thing.

Well, I'm a big boy. Well, but also like what's the fucking point of fast food? Yeah. It's the fucking point. It's restaurant price now. Well,

it's just that it's like, if you really hate yourself in that moment, you're like, I think fast food is like it's like an addicting it's like addictive food it is my it is my vape because no exactly

but that's the thing like I vape they suck on a big mac I vape and I eat fast food sometimes sometimes are you like are you like a I don't really fuck with fast food type girl no no I do fuck with fast food I have to I have to I mean you already said you'd be farting so yeah exactly

I put two and two exactly bro she's But I try not to. Like, I do grocery shop. I actually just got back from grocery shopping, too, before we started this. I'm sorry. How much you spend? $150.

Dude, that's the fucking thing that is insane. Yes. Dude. But it lasts quite a bit longer than... It's cheaper in the long run than, like, door dashing and shit. But that's the other hand. It sucks sometimes, but I'm also feeding. me and like an actual

monster of a man. So it's not just me. Like, I could spend $150 on groceries. That would last me like a month and a half. But Malachi, like, he'd be eaten. You know, like he's a big boy. He needs to eat. So.

He eats meat, right? Yes. I don't buy meat, though. So he, that's his job. He buys the meat. Like, I don't. I have subsided on food stamps before. And I believe I got 160 a month. That's not. 120 a month.

And that shit was gone within the first week. Yeah. That's my cheese budget, brother. Yeah. Well, if I was buying cheese, but the thing is also, like, I'm about to leave in like two weeks. So, like, I can't grocery shop like, no.

Like a fucking, like a mom of four. Like, I have the grocery shop like, okay, this food has to be eaten. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's just going to rot. Yeah, it's going to rot in the fridge. Otherwise, like, we don't have roommates. Like, this is. This is us.

So while I'm out of it, I might as well drop the address to where I live. So, like, people can come, you know. I'm alone this time of the week, this time of the week. Come hang out, you know. Backdoors unlocked. Just look, search your map for the area where there's three Burger Kings. Yeah, my IP address as well. Super easy to contact.

We'll put Kat's address in the description. It'll be right under. Yeah, don't worry about it. Thank you all for that. But this was a wonderful upside. Yeah, I had a great chat. Thank you for coming on. Yeah.

Thank you for having me. That was a lot of fun. Of course. Cat, moss, scowl. Huge year. Huge year to come. Huge decade to come for scowl. Burn it up the charts.

Burn it up the world. Burn it up Europe. They're eating. She's eating eggs now. Yeah. Everything. Mass hysteria. Thank you so much for listening.

Bye. Bye.