HardLore - Keith Morris Part 2: CIRCLE JERKS, Repo Man, Decline of Western Civilzation, Grand Theft Auto V

Episode Date: October 29, 2026

Hello, welcome back! We’re joined by legendary punk/hardcore pioneer KEITH MORRIS, co-founder of Black Flag and the band that the second half of this historic conversation focuses on: THE CIRCLE JERKS.We talk their iconic debut LP GROUP SEX, it’s timeless follow up Wild In The Streets, the Decline of Western Civilization documentary being a business card for the band moving forward, their appearance in the cult classic Repo Man, their constant battle with the Bad Religion schedule, Keith’s appearance in Grand Theft Auto V and MUCH more.Thank you again to Keith and my very special guest co-host Anthony Anzaldo of Ceremony for joining us for a true landmark pair of episodes._________HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.Shot, edited and mixed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Title sequence by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Join the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠HARDLORE PATREON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes• Join the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠HARDLORE DISCORD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Get 15% off the custom drum kit of your dreams with ⁠SJC DRUMS⁠!• Get 10% off ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MILLS VINTAGE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ site-wide with code HARDLORE.00:00:00 - Start00:01:37 - THE CIRCLE JERKS00:17:28 - Group Sex00:23:18 - Beverly Hills (and Century City)00:27:17 - World Up My Ass00:33:44 - Back Against the Wall00:35:35 - Paid Vacation & Circle Jerks' Writing Dynamic00:37:15 - Decline of Western Civilization00:43:24 - Earliest Circle Jerks Tours, John Belushi & NegativeApproach00:46:07 - Negative Approach00:50:13 - Paradigm Shifting Punk Bands Over Time00:54:01 - WILD IN THE STREETS01:02:49 - Stars and Stripes (hard pit)01:05:02 - Touring On Wild In The Streets01:09:47 - Keith's Thoughts on Warped Tour01:15:32 - Keith's Thoughts on Touring Europe01:16:58 - Touring In Europe Today For Circle Jerks01:18:42 - Dissecting Golden Shower, Wonderful & VI01:23:55 - Repo Man01:30:38 - LAPD At War With Punks01:36:45 - Circle Jerks Break Up in 198901:39:52 - GTA V Music01:46:05 - FLAG (and the legal ramifications)01:57:22 - Rapid Fire: Keith Morris Edition

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We're joined by special guest co-host Anthony Anzaldo of Ceremony. This is one of those historic pay-per-view event conversations on the show. Such an honor to have Keith on. Part two, I think, is even better. We start with the circle jerks. We talk group sex, wild in the streets, decline of Western civilization, repo man. Keith's experience doing Grand Theft Auto 5 hosting the. Channel X station. I think part two, eclips is part one in a way. Just Keith is more comfortable.

We're talking about more recent events, bad religion intersecting with circle jerks and in ways that may have caused their demise eventually. So please enjoy the rest of this incredible conversation with a living legend. So after leaving Black Flag in 1979, you pretty much immediately start the circle jerks. My story, very from Greg's story. Okay. My story was I was still living in the church after I'd quit Black Flag. Ron, who had quit Red Cross, was living in the basement.

And Red Cross rehearsed in the basement. they auditioned Lucky and didn't like Lucky because Lucky was just too yeah lucky was yeah lucky was just too proficient yeah and you know they're going from Ron playing drums who's just your basic street rock straight forward keep a beat don't get too wild, don't get too crazy. To auditioning Lucky was like two different worlds. He's like centuries ahead of his time. And they, the brothers, the McDonald brothers, didn't like Lucky.

I see Greg and Lucky coming out of Ron space because I'm sitting there. I've got nothing to do. It's like a Saturday afternoon. I'm just drinking beer and listening to the. them play with Lucky and Lucky and Greg come out and they're both kind of like that was really cool but the McDonald brothers didn't like Lucky and Greg was pissed off but Greg didn't have the position or the pull the pull to make the decision and and And so what eventually happened was the McDonald brothers decided to break up,

to break up the band. They hated Lucky's Drumming so much that they just broke up. I don't know if that was the reason why they broke up. But you have to understand they're still teenagers. Yeah, right. You know, they're still going to high school. Crazy. So who knows what was going on in their heads?

Yeah. But that's totally cool because some of the, stuff that was going on in their heads when they recorded it was pretty fucking happening. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, my story is I see Greg and Lucky coming out of the Red Cross rehearsal space and I asked them what's up. You know, and they give me this explanation. And so here's the three of us in this hallway at the church, looking at each other, having this conversation and I'm I'm looking at Greg who plays guitar and I'm looking at Lucky who plays drums and it's like guys I'm a vocalist all we need to do is find a bass player we can be a band

you know it's just that easy yeah now that's my story the other story is that this audition took place at the McDonald Brothers' parents' house. And we would eventually running into each other in front of the Whiskey-A-Gogo up on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood. And the two of them, being Greg and Lucky, were telling me how this audition didn't go very well. And then it was like, well, hey,

guys, let's start a band. We'll find a bass player and we'll start a band. I would, I want to say maybe a week later, week and a half, maybe two weeks later, I'm sitting

crouched down by a wall on Melrose next to a place called the anti-club. Just viving? Just hanging out, smoking a cigarette, drinking

a beer and we need to go back inside to see some more bands. Now is this part of your story or is this part of great story? This is like Rashman. I can't it's like who's telling the truth.

Okay. Well the first part of the story could be Rashma. Yeah, yeah. I like it. But the second part of the story is this is when I look up and all of a sudden I'm having a conversation with somebody that's been standing next to me while I'm sitting down.

And I don't know what the conversation is, how it starts, but I know where I want to go with it. And that is once I give him a toe off of the beard that's in the bag, and he hands, me my beer back and I'm smoking on my cigarette and I'm looking at him and I ask him, do you play bass? You play bass guitar? And he said, yeah.

I said, you want to be in a band? He said, sure. I mean, what else was he going to say? Like, who the fuck are you? I don't know. No, I don't want to be in the band with you. I don't like how you look or, you know.

I don't like how you grabbed your beer back from me. Yeah, he drank the other. Yeah. So anyways, it turns out that it's Roger. Roger Rogerson. And we start rehearsing in my garage over in Englewood.

And that's the birth of the circle jokes. Insane. How does the band name come to be? We had been a band I want to say maybe three months. We'd been rehearsing. writing some songs, stealing some songs.

And we hadn't figured out a name. It was like I had a list of name, plastic hippie, the runs, the bedwetters. Yeah, that was the big one. That was the front runner, huh? So anyways, we're in a situation where we booked a couple of shows. And Greg and I are hanging out. with Raymond Pettabone and Hermosa Beach.

Because Raymond's going to give us some artwork to use for flyers. And there's no weirdness between you guys at all, ever? Between us and Raymond? Yeah. No, Raymond loves us. Yeah. Yeah. Raymond is, Raymond.

So he's not carrying. He worships the ground that I walk. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm that high up on his list of people to, you know. To not kill. Yeah.

Same. Yeah. So anyways, we're hanging out with, we're hanging out with Raymond in his workspace, the family library at the Ginn house in Hermosa Beach. Here's what happens. We're in the library, which is also his workspace. Naturally. Now, the library at the Genn house. There's probably a minimum 2,000 books on the wall.

Okay. And Raymond's looking through his artwork. We're trying to determine what piece of artwork we're going to use for the flyer. And I look at Greg and it's like, you know, we're getting ready to make flyers and we don't even have a band name that we agree on. So I'm just kind of looking through because the books aren't alphabetized. Okay. What could possibly? Crazy library.

So I'm looking through all of the books. Well, not all of the books. I mean, I'm looking on one wall. And all of a sudden, I notice that there's one of the volumes of the American slang dictionary. And so just out of curiosity, I reach up and I grab the book. And I'm standing there. and I'm flipping through the pages. I'm just going up and down the pages.

There's got to be something here that we can use as a band name. If I'm going to find a band name, it's going to be in this book. Yes, obviously. So, gone through the A's, gone through the B's. Let's go C's. Maybe about a third of the way through the C's.

And I notice circle jerk. And it just jumps right off the page right into my eyes, right into my brain, and the light goes on even though all of the lights were on anyways. And I look at Greg and I'm pointing at circle jerk and I say, let's make this plural. And he's like, this is way happening. Yeah. Because it's such a stupid name. Now you've been saying these words for so long that the words probably start to lose meaning a little bit and just start to represent the band. But do you ever have like a cognizant thought when talking to somebody about the band,

like remembering like, oh, this means group of guys jacking off. That's awesome. Well, we've had to explain it here and there, but it's not something I walk around going. Fuck is this circle joke? Das is los. Some of the greatest bands of all time had some of the greatest bands of all time had some of the worst fucking names. Not you. Not you.

Let's go the Rolling Stone. Horrific. I mean, the Beatles is a pun. And the Beatles. Yeah, but it is a... Good pun. Yeah, but nonetheless. Ridiculous.

Yeah. I much prefer guys, Jack, my mentality towards the name is, it's just as stupid as some of the other names, some of the other band names. And the most stupid names are usually the ones that stick.

100%. Well, and that kind of, you know, Black Flag was so, like, weighted and heavy and, like, intense and austere. And, you know, were the circle jerks, although, like, maybe, like, the themes, the broad themes are, are cohesive to Black Flag. They're delivered with more humor and satire and almost, like, fun. Like, were you consciously trying to distance yourself from that, like, weighted heaviness that was black flag or is or is that a natural well you you hit on a really really really good point and that is the circle jerks what what i loved about the circle jerks and still do is that we're not as fucking harsh as black flag and that we're almost the complete opposite of Black Flag.

Like, one of the things that I like to tell everybody is, we're just a bunch of good guys. We're just a bunch of goofoffs. And our thing is, we just want to have fun. Yeah. You know, we want to be the guys at the party who know who know who the drug dealers are. We know who all of the, all of the easy gals are. And we want to be the guys at the keg pouring beers for everybody.

Yeah, yeah. One of the things that would happen with Black Flag is we would get caught up, we would get swept up in our energy and our aggressive vibe to the point where we weren't paying attention to what a lot of the people in the crowd were doing because we just didn't care. And with the circle jerks, we wanted it to be, hey, we've worked all week. It's Friday night. Let's have a good time. It's more inviting. But there is a strong, like, underlying sincerity to it that makes me wonder if people

misunderstand the humor of what you're saying and assume that you are not taking your creative output seriously in some way, which. like we can obviously tell that you very much so are. I don't know how to explain that. You know, because some of these people, you can't speak for them. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like trying to get into their minds as there's a brick wall there. I can say this is getting back to flag when it was time to put together a set list. I wanted to put my white minority on the set list. One of the things that happens with white minority is people don't get the humor. When Ron Reyes of Puerto Rican is singing white minority, there's some humor there. There's

some sarcasm that a lot of people like the white skinheads think that it's like, for them. We're going to be a white, you know, a white. You know, a white. minority, we've got to be the white majority. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like that would, and that was the reason why Flagg didn't cover that, play that song. Because Billy Stevenson was scared of the, the way that it was going to be construed. Yeah. When it's like so clearly satirical, much like, like, commentary. Yeah. But it's, but it's, not to a lot of people. Right. Which is right. Fucked up and sad. Yeah. Yeah. Is there any hesitance to start a band with another guy named Greg so soon?

The three Greggs. You're addicted to these. You're Gregs, man. You know, it was the same thing when I started off. And Dimitri thought he was being clever by, well, you've been in Black Flag, and Black Flag kills ants on contact. Off keeps the mosquitoes away or whatever. How much, is there spite baked into the creation of the Circle Jerks

towards what had happened with your end of Black Flag? No, not at all. I was happy to be in a new band because I didn't think that I was going to be in another band. Sure. So you're just feeling good. Syed to be back on the set. Yeah.

Okay. Let's talk group sex. debut LP, another landmark punk recording. 14 songs, 15 minutes. What first comes to mind from this record and this time and putting these songs together? Well, we were caught up in a time where a lot of things were happening really fast. We were just happy to be doing what we were doing. and all of the stuff was swirling around us, like I said, happening really fast.

And a lot of this stuff was just like this. And there wasn't really any time to be standing around thinking about anything, getting back to the very, very beginning of, was highly influential to Black Flag. And that was, we still got to get on the freeway to get to Hollywood. So we're getting caught up in this 65, 70, 80 mile zoom, zoom, all of the stuff happening really fast. And like I said, no time to stand around to really be thinking about things. It's like we've just got to do this.

and at one point we're in my garage in Englewood and I'm looking at the guys and I say you know we've got a show coming up in two weeks we have like 12 songs

if you think going to a black flag gig and going outside to light up a cigarette and take a couple of drags or going to take a piss. You think you miss half of the black flag sad with the circle jerks. You don't get to see the circle jerks. You miss the whole damn thing.

Do you just feel like, all right, we've got a record, let's go. Well, here's what happened. We're not even talking about recording a record yet. We're months away from that. Okay. But I'm telling the guys, we've got to come up with some more songs. And I'm looking at them and I'm like, so. you, you, I'm looking at Greg and I'm looking at Roger.

I'm not really concerned with Lucky because Lucky hadn't played in a rock band. He wasn't in any kind of situation where there were riffs being thrown around. So I'm looking at Roger and I'm looking at Greg and it's like guys, you've, you've played in other bands. What, what rifts did you come up with when you were in those? bands. We're going to take these riffs and we're going to throw them in the pot. And we're going to, well, before we throw the riffs into the pot, we're going to chop them up. Yes. And then we're going to throw them in the pot. We're going to stir it up because that was basically how we worked. Yeah. I've got a chorus. Oh, you've got a verse. You've got an intro. You got a bridge.

Okay, everybody, here we go. Were there legal ramifications to what Greg took from Red Cross, what you took from Black Flag? Or did you just have to credit the appropriate parties? What happened was when Red Cross broke up, the McDonald brothers told Greg, just go ahead and use whatever we've come up with. Wow. You're free to use these riffs. Right. And with Black Flag, the only songs that we use from Black Flag were songs that I wrote lyrics for, which were only a couple of songs.

I don't care and wasted. And wasted. Yeah. Yeah. And what we did was chocked them up a bit. And like, what can we do to make these songs ours? Yeah. Wasted is a completely different song than the Black Flag version. The sentiment is wasted autobiographical, or is there a satirical, ironic element to what you're saying at all? The lyrics are about living at the beach. Okay.

Because I love that you're just like listing off all these negative things about yourself. You're like, I was a hippie man. I was a burnout. I own a skateboard. So I'm obviously a huge piece of shit. Why didn't look at it that way? I'm wasted, man. That's a good angle.

Black Flag would release. That was growing up in Hermosa Beach. Makes sense. Blackfly would eventually release, you bet we've got something personal against you as a response to you using I Don't Care on this record? I never worried about that. As you should. I couldn't get caught up in any of that. In fact, I never really paid attention to that.

Okay. Have you read the lyrics to it? Chuck Dukowski wrote the lyrics. Right, right, which, you know, that makes sense. I didn't care. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're going to say whatever you're going to say.

And, you know, I had to be told what the lyrics were about. Have you revisited Beverly Hills or Century City since 1980? Century City Mall. Well, at one point in time, I had a dentist in Beverly Hills. And now, can you be seen at this dentist? Or you like, dude, do not tell people like coming? No, he's really cool. Okay.

Nice and pretty. He was a member of the Indian Navy. His name is Dr. Nage, Dr. Nagee. And we call him the Nage rocker because there were a bunch of us that didn't have three or four thousand dollars to drop on dental work. Amen. And he would like, you come in. at 8 in the morning.

And I'll bump you and I'll do what I can until my next patient comes along. So consequently, there's like about a hundred of us in the rock music scene here in L.A. They go to him whenever they can. Awesome. Not lame. Yeah. And his thing is... He goes back to India once a year and does free dentistry to, it's kind of like how he pays back the Indian Navy for allowing him to study dentistry.

He's got rules. Yeah, he's awesome. Do you have to wear like a glasses, nose, and mustache when you go to Beverly Hills, Central City? You're wanting there. I don't go there very often. I would think so. I travel on Beverly Boulevard every now and then. Sure, of course.

That's vast. It's a main line from our side to that side. Now, as a Los Felis resident, I've heard you're just walking around there all the time. You are out and about. I'll tell you. Because on the way up, here. I was telling Mr. Joe Nelson, who is in charge of trust records, that the battery in my car

died about, I want to say, five months ago, and it's still dead. And I very rarely drive. It has not affected your lifestyle. Not in the least bit. Okay. Here's what. Here's what happens in my neighborhood I can walk to wherever I want to go if I need groceries I live on a very very very busy intersection like I want to say it's seven corners and it's a long light but I can walk I can walk to the Vons oh that's a good Vons and I know one I can walk and get mech Mexican food. I can walk and get Italian food. I can walk and get sushi. You got Fred's 62 right there. I can walk and get pizza. I can walk and get breakfast. The coffee over there. I can't even count all of the coffee shops in the neighborhood. But I also have two theaters. Los Phyllis three and the Vista because I live behind the Vista. Wow. And there are.

You got handels. You can go to get ice cream. Three bookstores. Right. Gas station. If I need gas. If the battery comes back to life. You don't need gas, Keith. No, we envy you. Let's go back to group sex here.

World up my ass. Let's talk about it. Break down this song for me. And the world up your ass. I'm fortunate to have a very understanding father who knows that. I'm in a band and I might go out on tour. And when I come back, I might need a job. It's like one of the sayings, one of the things we tell young, up-and-coming people in bands, don't give up your day jobs because at some point you're going to need your day job.

Which is like one of the, kind of one of the harshest disses. on earth, you know, to any creative person. Not really. Not really. Not really because you got to pay your bills. You got to pay your bills. And what if you're creating stuff that nobody's paying attention to? Does that mean you should stop?

It doesn't mean that you stop creating. It just means hold on to your day job. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, you got, you know, when the person that owns the space that you're living in, knocks on your door and says, you know, you're a couple of weeks late. Sure. You got to have a day job.

Yeah, true. So anyways, one of the things that I'm able to do because my father appreciated the fact that when I was working, I was working my ass off because we come from working, we're working class. So it's like you go to work, you don't sit around with your thumb up your ass. You got stuff to do. You know, sweep the floor. Scrub the toilet.

Empty the trash. So anyways, I was always able to go out on tour with the band and come back and have a job. I would be working for my dad. He would always welcome me back. At one point, my dad pulled me aside and said, I'm so glad that you're working. because I would have to hire at least three or four other people to fill in for everything that you do here at the business. And go out on tour, come back, need to go to work. I actually lived with him in three different places.

One of the things that was happening with my dad was, my dad had like some of the, the most interesting friends. At one point, his three best friends. One was a college professor at Loyola Meramount taught criminal psychology. One was studying law at Loyola Merrimount. The other one, Dr. Guy, was an eye surgeon. So John, who was studying, law was he had his own place, but he very rarely spend any time in his own space because he was sleeping on our couch. And what would what would happen after work, if I had nothing that I was going to do, but sit around with my dad and John and watch TV, we'd want to get something to eat. Obviously. And this one particular night, we were going to go get submarine sandwiches,

downtown Manhattan Beach. Okay. Where? I forget the name of the place, but it's like down on the main drag in Manhattan Beach. Still there, you think? Oh, no. But it's the, it's the street that runs into the Manhattan Beach pier. Okay. RIP. Okay. So we're going to go get these sandwiches. We've called, placed the order. We get in his car, John's car, and we pull out from the parking lot at my dad's second shop, because the house that my dad's living in is on the corner. It's all part of the property. So we pull out onto the street, and we're getting ready to make a ride onto aviation boulevard. John looks around. everything's clear, starts to make the right turn, and some guy just out of nowhere, like,

where the fuck did this guy come from? Just goes jamming right in front of us, like, guys driving about 70 miles an hour. And John hits the break, and he's like pounding the dashboard, motherfucker and I'm looking at John and I go John what's the deal what why are you so angry and he looks at me and he says I got the world up my ass come on come on what a fucking journey that was yeah and the sandwiches were amazing we would so you heard that and you were like Holy shit. We were, we were, one of the things we would do at that point in the, in the night was we were watching Fernwood tonight. What the hell is that?

It's a great, a great, it's based on like Johnny Carson or Jay Leno, like a talk show, a late night talk show. Only it was Martin Mole and all the characters were just fucking unbelievably hilarious. Just a great show. But that's where whirled up my ass game from. I want to do a backflip in my seat. I know.

Do you remember hearing back against the wall the first time? Because the verses especially, the music to that song is so interesting and different than like what punk bands were doing at the time. It's like I almost don't even know what to, like what genre, like what, it makes sense that Lucky's a jazz person when you know about that, you know, about that song. Because it's so interesting to me.

Like when you heard that song for the first time, how did you know what to do with that? Well, here's one of the things that was happening. We love the clash. Mm-hmm. And we look at the clash and listen to the history of the clash. What they started as just a loud, obnoxious, abrasive punk rock band. And then all of a sudden, they're playing reggae where there's some ska tossed in.

Some, like, Narlane's street jazz was like their influences. were coming from all over the place. And if you listen to back against the wall, I believe was our attempt at trying to play reggae. Okay. Wow. Sure. Some of our influences would be the kinks and the who very much to clash.

Big time. But through such a more aggressive lens. Well, we're Southern California. We're on that fucking freeway driving 75, 80 miles an hour. Yeah, you can't shake it. You can't shake it. I mentioned paid vacation earlier, but to this day is like this timeless prophetic anti-war anthem.

And not a single syllable uttered, sadly, is outdated or irrelevant. That fucking sucks, man. Well, it sucks for the world. It does. One of the things that I occasionally preach from the stage is that we have sometimes been accused of being prophetic, like we're seers. But really, just nothing has changed in that regard. Sadly, everything that's supposed to have changed has only gotten worse. I mean, just the dynamic change between writing with Black Flag, which seems to very much be like Greg presenting a finished idea, where this seems like fully collaborative.

Are you even thinking about your time in Black Flag by the time group sex is happening? Are you just? No, it's because I've moved on and I moved on so quickly. I really needed to get away from those guys. I loved the band and I loved the music. It was just I was getting pushed out of the picture. Right. You know, we would get in an argument

and it would be three against one. And who wants to be involved in such a lopsided scenario? Why would you? I know we'll get to decline, but, you know, in chronological, you know, in that movie, you know, Circle Jerks have been a band for maybe six months in decline of Western civilization. I don't even know if we'd been together. Yeah, I think it was less than that. You have the best reaction of any of the bands in that movie.

Well, and you sound like hilariously good. You sound so good. You're so tight. You're getting the best reaction. Are you aware of like it seems like it's kind of the opposite of what was happening with Black Flag where it was like three years practicing all the time and never being able to play shows. Where circle jerks it seems like from from a fan's point of view that it was like off to the races and everyone got it. And you had you had impacted the scene immediately.

Let's get back to how quickly things are moving. Yeah. And there's not a lot of. There's not a lot of time to be wondering or thinking about these things. Yeah. It's just let's go. Yeah. Let's do this.

Did this movie coming out noticeably moved the needle for you guys at all? The great thing about the decline of Western civilization was that it was like a business card. Mm-hmm. Right. There are all these people in all of these different places that know nothing about what's going on in Los Angeles. I mean, they can read about it in fanzines or maybe Rolling Stone or what have you. They could hear the music if it's being played on the radio or if it's being played in the record stores. Other than that, there's no information.

internet. This is what it is. She paid for that out of her own pocket. Everything was filmed on film, which is very expensive. And it looks like unbelievable to this day. And basically, what it did was, this is what's going on in Los Angeles. This is just, this is kind of the tip of the iceberg. What it did for us, we receive a, maybe a month after it's been released and it's

being shown in a few theaters here and there. We get a call from a promoter in New York and he asks us if we want to come out and play some shows on the East Coast. He said, I think I could probably

book you like seven or eight shows. We said, of course. In this conversation that we're having with the promoter, we're not even asking for the details. We're not asking, when do you want us to come out? What venues are you going to have us play? Just yes. Yeah, we want to do this. And so we talk some more, get the details ironed out, and two nights before we're supposed to leave, Lucky gets in a fight with the guy that stole his girlfriend's car and breaks knuckles on both hands. No. And so he comes to us and says, guys, we're not going to the East Coast.

And I looked at Roger and Greg and said, we're not blowing an opportunity like this because opportunities like this don't get presented to bands like us. I immediately get a hold of one of my friends, a guy named Charlo Cantana who played drums in the plugs. He loved the circle. I mean, he was, if we played two or three shows a month, he was normally at these shows. Could he do lucky stuff?

Because, man, tough the guy to fill in for. Two different drummers. Yeah, sure. But Charlo was fucking way happening. Okay. Awesome. Because he loved the band. He knew the songs.

We rehearsed for four hours. and the next day we were on the flight to New York. Unbelievable. Love it. The show must go on. During that show, was there anything that comes to mind from that day that wasn't documented or didn't make the final movie?

Where you're like, fuck, that wasn't in there? Shit. That's crazy. No. Okay. What you see is what you get. This poetic fight ending the set like that? That was Greg, I guess, trying to kick the bouncer who was on stage.

who had been throwing people out. And it was a pretty wild crowd. But the thing is, is that the bouncers at that time, they didn't know how to, like, separate what's real and what these guys are just doing because that's what they normally do. Yeah. To this day, I mean, security versus hard.

core is still a problem. Yeah, but the security, um, they've learned to be more. They have to be. A little gentle. Like, take a couple of steps back because these people are going to get wild, you know, and they, they, they, I guess they've become a little bit more observant. Now, is this trip to the East Coast as a result of decline? Is this the first proper Circle Jerks tour? Well, we would play like San Diego, L.A. Riverside and then maybe go up to Sacramento or you'd start in L.A., you'd drive down to San Diego, maybe drive out to Phoenix or Tucson, come back up, hit Las Vegas, come back over Bakersfield, then you're going to bounce over to Santa Barbara. I mean, it would be like a real tour.

Okay, yeah. Can you recall the first proper Circle Jersey tour? Well, I would say that The Maybe a full U.S.S. tour. That East Coast Yeah. That first East Coast

Tour was a proper tour. How were the shows? The shows varied. Like we played Irving Plaza in New York City. Like 900 people. Fuck. Wow.

John Belushi. Yeah. Wants to know if we've got a single that he can put on the jukebox at the bar that he and Dan Akroyd had just opened over in the meatpacking district. He said, you know,

we're going to have fear on Saturday Night Live. Because at that time, what they were doing was they were letting all of the actors and actresses choose the musical talent. Right.

So he said, you're my second choice after fear. And then fear plays. And it's like, we'll never have another punk rock band on show until this past weekend until this past weekend where turn style played s&O well they had elvis costello playing yeah yeah i mean cboes played a hardcore song afi played on there you know in that time were there bands that you know you saw that you were playing with or that you wanted to play with more

like when you saw that you were going to play with a certain band were there certain which bands did you know you're going to have a great show with or like you had you had a great sort of like stage camaraderie with. Well, we were fortunate enough to have a small group of what we would call baby brother bands. Got to have them. Being Red Cross, social distortion, bad religion. There were a couple more. I can't think of them off the top of my head.

Sure. I mean, those are... You did it. Yeah. But are there scenes... That surely answers my question. Are there scenes or groups of people or bands you met on tour? Like, when was the first time you played with a negative approach?

And are you fast friends? That's a great question because I can't answer that question. But they play a lot with us. Yeah. Because we get along really well with them. Yeah. They're not like a young band. There's a lot of...

these younger bands that have no respect towards the older bands. We've played with some of the younger, newer bands who are just fucking horrible people. Just

fucking spoiled, terrible people. You want to name any names? No. No. That's fine. We weren't one of them. Not worth mentioning. Okay. Obviously ceremony. No.

Ceremony is not on that list. Because ceremony's been doing it long enough. They know that everybody's there for a reason. We're working because we have bills to pay. Totally. We want it to be as comfortable as possible. And we don't want to, like, create any fucking backstage chaos. We don't need it because we've already gone through all of that.

There's no reason. Let's have fun. You know, let's just, let's just have a great time. And they're good approach. I mean, they're the best to tour with. They work their asses off. Boy. They rehearse.

A great band. They rehearse. They're rehearsals I would compare to a 1979 black flag. Yeah, yeah. Regimented. Yeah, they're regimented. Pardon this interruption. This is the final interruption of this unbelievable conversation with Keith Moore.

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opera house that I inhabit. Enjoy this episode. Can you think of bands you've seen from 79 to 2026 on the road that felt like paradigm shifting game-changing new things at the time throughout the years you eventually are going to get around to asking me what my favorite hardcore albums are that's that we're going to end with that if you want to save this I'm not going to tell you what my favorite hardcore albums are because there's too many of them okay and like I've said and I'm repeating myself and I think this is probably the third time. I listen to a lot of different music. You love music. And I will hear something, but it might not necessarily stick with me the first time I hear it. But maybe the second or third time I hear it, then it really sinks in. But bands that I have seen over that course of time, I'll say,

The bad brains. I've seen the bad brains probably about eight times. And the last time I saw them, everybody was complaining about how HR is turned into this complete freak, which I love. Of course. I think it's brilliant. Yeah.

We all found this place because we're freaked. Total for you. He wasn't jumping around and doing the back flips and beating on his chest and shaking his arms and doing all of that stuff. He just turned into this statue on stage. Prophet. And yeah. Yeah. Great answer.

Their musical thing. I saw them perform one night where all they played was reggae. Right songs, those reggae songs. As much as I love them, I wanted the fast stuff. I mean, it's unbelievable. That's the best music ever. Their fast stuff is untouchable. It's untouchable.

The reggae thing. Couple tracks. It was, it was, they do a really great job. Sure. And it's fantastic. It was not what I wanted to hear because I'm used to them fucking just just kick an ass. All the way.

The last time I saw them, one of my other bands, we played a festival. They happened to play before us on the stage that we played. Excuse me. We played before them on the stage. Let's show our respect. And they'd slowed down. Now, I say that the bad brains throughout the majority, of their career were 12 steps ahead of everybody.

Totally. So they had all of those steps that you could remove six to eight of their steps. And they're still blowing people away. Yeah. You know, blowing, just blowing other bands right off the fucking face of the earth. Yeah. What had happened was they became heavier. And when I say heavier, I mean in like a step.

stoner rock kind of heaviness, like Sabbath. Like, this shit's still fucking way cooler than most of the other music that's happening. Yeah. So it was like, I was not disappointed. Let us now go back to 1982. Circle Jerks achieved the rare feat at the time of having a great sophomore LP in Wild in the streets. Writing a first album,

and there's so little pressure and you're not defined or confined to be any one thing and you kind of have extra time but album number two you've got to kind of refine that sound and figure out who you are. Is there any pressure to follow up

this kind of universally loved thing in group sex? If there was pressure, I didn't feel any of it. Fuck, yeah. See, the way that that album worked was we had a manager at the time. See, when we did group sex, we didn't have a manager. It was like we were

just flying by the seat of our pants. We were just here. We got studio time for you. Okay, we'll be there. It'll take us about an hour to get there, you know. You'll be there. You better hurry up because we only have like three hours for you to work in the studio. With the second album, we had a manager. We had a record deal. And we had a program where we were rehearsing in a room over at SIR on Classic. Or Sunset Boulevard.

And we had Motley Crew. We got to meet all of the guys in Motley Crew because they were rehearsing in the same building. Like a couple of doors down. Were they rocking with the jerks or what? We became drinking and smoking buddies with them on Sunset Boulevard in front of the Whiskey a go-go because they lived up the hill from the Whiskey of Go-Go. And Lucky lived across the street.

And then you go up the hill maybe 50 steps and you cut down the driveway. and climb up over a cinder block wall, and you're at Lucky's apartment. So one of the things that would happen if we weren't rehearsing and we were hanging out in West Hollywood, we'd stand out in front of the whiskey go-go and drink beers and smoke cigarettes, and the guys from Motley crew would join us. Unity.

Unity. Well, it wasn't so much about unity. It was just we didn't care. Yeah, circumstantial. You know, we thought, we thought, dude, these guys are wearing stiletto shoes and fucking dressing the way they're dressing. That's just as punk rock as some of the punk rock idiots who were trying to follow Sid Vicious. We rehearsed at SIR until they kicked us out of SIR. And what had happened was SIR is owned by Jan and Dean,

who had a couple of surf hits. And one night, it was one of the two got drunk and was pissed off about something and went into one of the rooms where they had a grand piano and just started banging on it. and broke a bunch of stuff really expensive. And who else are we going to blame except the punk rock, you know, the punk rock guys. And so they said you've got to leave.

And actually it worked out kind of well for us because we were going to, we were maybe three or four days away from going into A&M to record. So we had beat the songs into the ground. Because we had rehearsed them, getting back to Black Flag Regimental mentality. Yeah, look at you now. You're doing it. Every day, three hours, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But do you not mind that now because the dynamic in the band is different? We're older guys, and it's like we're not interested in.

getting into any kind of thing like that. Well, and you're rehearsing so much for a purpose, where it seems like with Black Flag, you were rehearsing so much, you were just the hamster on a wheel, where it's like Circle Jerks, you're on tour, you're making records, there's a purpose to working this hard.

Well, we get into the studio, we set up, and because we knew the songs as well as we knew them, there weren't a lot of like, well, you've got a, We have a couple of takes. Yeah, yeah. You know, you pretty much got it the first time, the first take. But maybe we could get a different feel.

Why don't we, you know, maybe we could get a different energy. Yeah. You know, so maybe there might have been a couple of songs where we might have done three takes. Okay. That's awesome. Yeah. But that record, they started. mixing like immediately after we got through recording.

Yeah. And that recording probably six, seven hours. Jesus Christ. And it sounds unbelievable. It sounds so good. Wow. Is it a management decision or is it a personal decision to name the album after a cover song? Could have been my decision.

Really? Yeah. It's bold. But you took it. It's yours now. Cool. I mean, that song, it's, I think about that song often because it's so, I mean, obviously it's a cover, but you made it your own.

I mean, it's a full, like, it's a reworking and obviously. And there's, musically, it's so simple. And I just, I go back to that song often referentially to be like, if the feeling is there, it doesn't, it simply does not matter how to. technical or how simple the song is. Because that song, you don't even realize how little chord changes there are. You know, because it's because the impact is so grand. Thank you.

Well, it became a skater class. Yeah. Yeah, this is your top streamed song. I had no idea. Yeah, we occasionally run into some problems with Garland Jeffries. Mm. Where we recorded another version, like while we were playing it, we were being filmed to be used in a television commercial by Vans 10 issues. Okay.

And we thought everything, all of the legalities had been taken care of because when you're dealing with the company of that size. of course size they'll figure it out it's like you know they got to have this stuff taken care of they got legal departments and they hadn't and they went to Garland Jeffreys and he said well first off

I'm not giving you permission to use my song in your shoe campaign okay what you're going to need to do is you're going to need to film me playing the song and, you know, his version, not understanding that, you know, we're talking about these shoes that are being worn by skaters.

Yeah. Skaters don't care about his New York, humid heat version with the tuba. Yeah. And his version is, it's brilliant, but he didn't get it. Yeah. And they had already paid us. Ah. They ended up, and when I say they, I mean Vans, ended up having to pay him the same amount of money that they paid us. Fucking out.

Because they didn't, they didn't do the proper do. They could have just filmed another song. Come on, Vans. Yeah. Tighten it up. Yeah. Stars and Stripes. This song is once again not only still politically poignant,

but the breakdown, the mosh part in this song is like 45 years ahead of its time. And in fact, I think it is one of the best examples in all of hardcore music as an early, intentionally crafted mosh part. Just the big chugging skank part. Can you tell me about writing this song, putting this together? No, I can't.

I can't. Perfect. I had the lyrics. Okay. And occasionally, while they're working out their parts to the song, I'll change stuff up or create new stuff to fit over bits and pieces of the music. But when you hear what happened, the big break and tempo change in the middle of the song, do you have any kind of emotional reaction to it?

because I do. Big time. I go, fuck, that's hard. To this day. You're talking about this part of the song. Yeah. And I'm trying to hear it in my head. Yeah.

But I can't. Because my tinnitus. Yeah, yeah. I have two beehives. Right. At all times. You know, duct tape to the sides of my head. Where it slows down and it goes to the open palm mutative.

the gin, chin, chin, chin, chin, jin, jin, in the middle of the song. This is an intentionally crafted breakdown, Keith. One of the first. This is what music is now. Could that possibly be the tank driver? Because, you know, we manufacture stuff like that. We've got to use it occasionally. We've got to create all of these situations where we can sell these instruments of

war to these warring countries because we've created some kind of turmoil to get these people to start shooting at each other. That bills are they, you know, governmentally. What was touring like after this record? How much has touring changed since the beginning of Circle Jerks and Group Sex? We still hadn't learned the proper way to tour. and that is maybe it's more of a modern thing. But back then, we didn't have the money or the wherewithal to print t-shirts,

print stickers, print buttons. Got to have them. Well, we learned that the hall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we learned, eventually we learned that, we would make more money selling merch than we would from our guarantees. Yeah, totally. We went through a period where we were making enough money to pay everybody per diems.

Love it. So that way we would be able to at least have one decent meal every day. and maybe if we were lucky, we would get through plane, we would load everything in, we would do whatever partying we were doing, whatever socializing we were doing,

then everybody would pile in the van and we would get out on the road, we would get out of town, and we would find the nearest motel six, and the trick was, everybody get down. Yep. And there'd be,

like six of us in the van, pull up, get out, go in, get a room. Always ask for a room all the way at the back of the building. This trick is still going. Yeah. It should be. Yeah. Because it's a great trick. Great trick.

Two guys check in. The rest follow. Yeah, the two guys in the two front seat, the driver and the passenger. and depending upon what time of year it was. I remember being out on a winter tour where it would be snowing and icy, and we would get a room and the drill was grab whatever you're going to grab out of the van because we wanted to park the van at the very back of the lot because we had all of our gear in it.

Ah, yes. You know, and back it up against. At this time, at this time, we're not smart enough to grab our guitars. So the guitars, because there wouldn't be room for the guitars in the room. Cramming in. Because there'd be six of us in a room. The first thing, the first part of the drill was to see who could get in there first and grab the mattress off of the box spring.

So now you've got a place for four guys to sleep. Everybody brings sleeping bags or blankets. I had a sleeping bag. The first thing I would do, I didn't even care about any of that stuff because I'm tired. I want to go to sleep. I'm not going to argue with anybody. What I'm going to do is the Motel 6 had the heating strips, the metal heating strips down along the box. down along the bottom.

I'm going to find a place where I can lay down next to this heating strip. Not like close enough to where my sleeping bag's going to catch on fire. I'm smarter than that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to...

Perfect distance. I'm going to get down and I'm going to like go to sleep and let everybody fight over wherever they're going to, you know, crash out at. Keith, I got to tell you, I think I think for the rest of my life, your voice is going to be my internal monologue.

I want him to be my Siri. Yeah. Yes. Just narrate stuff for me. You're crushing it right now. When do you evolve from vans to buses? The bus has only been something I had never toured on a bus until I did the, um, Henry Rollins West Memphis 3 tour.

Wow. That was my first bus tour. Now, the Circle Jerks played a handful of dates on a warp tour at the very end of a warp tour. See, now, I need to interject here and say, I've talked 800,000 miles. of shit about the warp tour. Yeah. Because I don't, the majority of the bands that are on the warp tour have absolutely, there's no space in my life for me to ever have to listen to them or want to listen to them.

It's real tough. The cool thing about the warp tour is that I heard some younger bands, Some of them are really good. Some of them are really, really good bands. You can't take that away from them. And they all have their place. It's just I don't have room or a place for the majority of that music. Appreciate it.

Anyways, we're, no effects has double, booked some dates at the end of they've got a European tour so they're in Europe and there's like five shows the circles are explained like five

shows and our deal is most of the bands because they're with record labels that will give them tour support on the warp tour you have to be on a bus

Yeah. If you're in a van, you're a fucking idiot and you're going to end up killing yourself or you're going to end up killing your bandmates. So we work out a deal with the touring merch people. There's six of them. On a bus, there's normally 12 bunks. They said, we got room. You need four bunks.

We got four extra monks. You don't even, we're already paying for the bus. You don't even need to help pay for the bus. What year is this? I couldn't tell you. I don't pay attention to it. But you've been a band for a long time by the time this happens. Oh, yeah.

So they're going, come on in, Circle Jerks. Your whole touring party is four people. On this particular warp tour, there's bad religion. These are the bands that I remember, because the majority of the bands are not bands that I'm going to remember. Yeah. Yeah. Bad Religion, Alkaline Trio.

I remember watching side stage Good Charlotte for about half a song. My man. That was all I needed to hear from them. Who else was on there? Thursday. Thursday were actually, they were listenable. Yeah. They had some stuff.

Those are punks, you know. Who else was on there that was. really terrible. Was Brian? There was a band called Rocket Summer. Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah, and that was that was the kid that came out on stage wearing go-aheads and he played piano. He thought maybe he was going to be the the emo version of Elton John and it was just

fucking there weren't enough like rotten tomatoes to throw out of him. The cool thing about Alkaline Trio is you have two different songwriters in the band. It's the same kind of makeup as Hoosker do. They got a bit of that going on. But he also, Matt Skeba likes to toss in the little bits of horror and Glendanzig, misfits. They got a little bit of that stuff going on. So they're more interesting. Do I love the misfits? Fuck yeah, I love the misfits. Yeah. Fuck yeah.

Walk among us. Come on. You know? How do you feel about the 12 hits versions of the songs? Here's the thing with the misfits. I have Walk Among Us. I have a couple of the other albums. The albums before Walk Among Us. Static Age and... Yeah. I don't...

For me, it doesn't... It doesn't, yes. I think that's their best album. I have the first Danzig album, which I think is really cool, very heavy. And it's Chuck Biscuits. You know, I'm... I'm...

I've had a few rounds and a few scuffles with Chuck. I love Chuck. The warp tour, it was okay. But you got to be on a bus with the merch. How many times have I seen bad religion? One billion? One more billion? All of the time.

That's way too many. Not that much, Colin. You're exaggerating. Yeah, that's an exaggeration. Sorry. I've seen bad religion probably about 40 times. Oh. That's such a conservative number.

When does Circle George go to Europe for the first time? The first time we went to Europe, we couldn't go unless we took one of our label mates, who was a band from Boston called Gang Green. Oh, yeah. So that's a great double bill. We also like picked up

like an opening band in Germany and in the UK It was a good tour It wasn't that many dates I remember us Playing about Six or seven shows

Just in Germany Yes you got to do it Because punk rock's really Happening in Germany I love it To this I was there 48 hours ago I remember we played

the Hammersmith Clarendon, which is next to the Hammersmith Odeon, which is, I believe there's a live Queen album that was recorded there that's really happening. I think there is a live Motha Hoopal album from the same venue. The Clarendon is just the theater. The Clarendon is the Farm League. venue. But your first European and UK shows are good. People know

the songs? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. And how is it like today touring Europe? Well, we fucked up seriously. And that is, after we went to Europe the first time, our

drummer, Keith Clark, said, we're not going back to Europe because there's no money for us to be made. That's where it all is. The scenario is you go back as many times as you can because you're trying to build a fan base. And you're not going to realize any kind of financial happening until you like... The 20th time.

Yeah. Well, not the 20th time. Maybe the fourth or fourth time. I ain't even there yet. Maybe the fourth or fifth time. Sure. But he was ready to throw in the towel immediately. Immediately.

So how long until you went back? It wasn't that long ago. Oh, wow. That was fucking insane. See, we're going to a thing right now where we've been offered a tour. And financially, we're going to make a little bit of money. And one of the guys is like, well, I need to make more money. I need to make more money than that each time we play.

It's like, I don't want to go. I don't want to go blobbity, blah, blah. And it's like, what else are you doing? You know, if we're not in a bus touring Europe, what the fuck else would you be doing? Yeah, it's rock. Let's rock. You know.

Let's get back to the records here. You had an observation about group sex and wildness streets are these masterpieces. and Golden Shower and Wonderful are incredible. And those records, I feel like you start to introduce some, you know, you start to expand the genre a little bit. And then I feel like six, it's really refined. And sort of the expansions that you start on Golden Shower and Wonderful are sort of perfected at six. As a fan, that's how I feel. Agreed.

Do you feel, like, did Six feel like an accomplishment to you? Like, we made it to sort of, like, refine this sound. That's a slight departure from our earlier records. I've got to go back to one of the things that I've already repeated a few times. And that is, when it comes to these albums, never sat around thinking about any of that. Yeah. Wow. One of the things that was happening, we were also in a survival mode. Sure. We were also in a position where like our baby brother bands, besides Red Cross.

Bad religion is. Bad religion and social distortion. Zoomed right by us. Like here we are on the side of the road. we got a couple of flat tires. And it's like, well, there go our friends. We know them. We played a bunch of shows with them.

We treated them so well. You couldn't stop and like... Pick us up. Well, they picked up Greg. Pull out a couple of spares, maybe. How was that having bad religion take Greg full time? Did it feel like...

I don't know what the other guys in the band thought. But I was a bit pissed off because what had happened was, Greg made the circle jerks a part-time band, which meant if there are any scraps out there, we might get tossed a handful here and there. Right. It was always, we were always strapped to the bad religion. and schedule. That's the reason oddities, abnormalities, and

curiosities, in my opinion, should have never been made. That was basically take the money. This is a swindle. We'll just toss together some music. And I, to this day,

I want to say that I'm embarrassed by that album. But at the same time, I don't sit around and listen to these records. Like you guys, the way that you're talking about these records, you guys have like really paid attention to the records. Yeah. I don't do that.

Yeah. Zero songs from this record on the set list today, I see. We were occasionally playing. I want to destroy you. Great cover. Which over in Europe as an encore, that song went over. really, really well with the close people.

I don't think there's anything to be ashamed about it. I think that's cool song. Well, I mean, you know, to my observation about six, it's, you know, it's inspiring and so cool that a punk band, hardcore band, whatever you want to say, you know, I think Beat Me Senseless is one of your best songs. So good. And for a hardcore band to release one of their best songs,

six or, you know, five, five. five records in is like kind of gives us all a little bit of hope because it's it's a genre that sort of like most bands have their first record is great. Their second one

Etermes. Few and far between are great and oftentimes there's not even a third. You know, so for six to be such a great record and a fan favorite you know, it's got to be you know. Well, you know the story behind that.

Please. The story behind six is that's our fifth album. Yes. And that was the last joke. That was our drummer who was the one that told us we're not going back to Europe. That was his idea. It's like, let's confuse everybody. On the wiki for the album.

Where's the fifth album? On the wiki for the album that says it's because. of decline of Western civilization somehow? I don't think so. No. It's a joke, dumb ass. Repo, man. Let's talk about it. How does this happen? Well, we're extremely fortunate that at that time, Alex Cox, was in L.A.

He was studying filmmaking at UCLA. He came across punk rock. And he loved punk rock. And he loved the circle jerks. And that's how that happened. Easy as that. Yeah. Isn't that beautiful?

You know, and that, like the decline of Western civilization. Business card. Another business card. I had heard that Emilio Estevez was somewhat active in L.A. hardcore in the early 80s. Was that true in a genuine sense or more of like a research for the role type thing? You know what? I would think that it was. more research for the role.

Seems that way. We were never let on to any of... You weren't hanging with Amelia. No, we weren't. It was like that day on the set. Was it one day? It was... Yeah, and it was not supposed to be an entire day.

It always is. They gave us the call to be there at 10 in the morning. So we got there at 10 in the morning. I think we were... all still fucked up from the night before. Yeah. Yeah. Like we,

we hadn't, we wouldn't realize our hangovers for at least another couple of hours. Yeah. So, um, we're on set and we're dealing with the, um, costumers or the wardrobe people.

And the tuxedositos that, we wear in our scene are custom fitted straight needles and oh they got on the cuffs bottom of the legs yeah you're just getting poked and um that wasn't that wasn't the worst part of it the the worst part was once we were fitted um the we were on sunset boulevard in silver lake and And it was in the, like, it was the hottest day of summer. So the asphalt, where the trailers are parked, is scorching. Yeah, you could cook eggs on the sidewalk. So anyways, they're through fitting us with the suits.

Is there catering? Is there, are there liquid beverages? And of course there's none of that. It's like... Hard Lord 1, Repo Man, Zero. There might be some liquid refreshments in your trailer. So we had our own trailer. We lucked out on that one.

Okay, good. Hard Lord Zero, Repo Man. So we ask the ladies, now do we get to take these off and put them back on later on? And they said, no, you've got to wear them because you saw what we went through to make them fit the way they, you know, the proper fit, you know. And it's like we're starting to, our brains are starting to itch. Like, what the fuck? Where's the drug dealer? You know, we hope that there's beverages.

There are no beverages. So we go to our trailer. and discover our trailer is hotter than it is outside. Jesus Christ. Fantastic. Hollywood, baby. So the air conditioner in the trailer, we've got the trailer with the broken air condition. Of course.

Hard Lord 2 reprimandza. Oh, it gets better. Yeah, yeah. It gets better because we're starting to get into our headaches, our hango. Oh, okay. knowing that, you know, there's no cell phones. There's no phone available. We can't call a drug dealer.

Can't call a liquor store to have some beers delivered. We're so messed up in our heads. Our trailer is like 20 yards from the liquor store on Sunset Boulevard. But we're so broke. We don't have the money to walk over. by a six-pack and our scene, we're suited up and fitted up by about noon, which means the sun is just baking the fuck out of everything.

And we're in this trailer that's even hotter than it is outside. And we don't shoot our scene until three in the morning. Oh, my goodness. Hollywood, baby. Hollywood, baby. Hard Lord 4, Ruperman, Zero. But what a fun movie. Yeah, it's awesome.

I mean, it's one of the best. My mom was the one that pointed it out to me. She said, Keith, have you seen Repo Man? I said, well, I've seen bits and pieces. I'd never seen it in its entirety. Wow. She said, you have to see this movie. It's my favorite movie.

What? And I'm like, I'm taking aback like, mom what the what the fuck is up with this she said it's a religious movie i'm like i'm like well the way she explains it yeah is he's going through all of these events that eventually lead to him being in the car at the very end of the movie and flying off to heaven right that's what it is it's like he's He's on this journey. It's whether it be spiritual, whether it be whatever it is.

I would say it's more Greek mythos than, than, again. I think it's literally aliens. Yeah. Maybe. Who's to say? I want to ask this before we get out of, out of the 80s. This time, LEPD was publicly and actively against punk music. and punk bands and clubs putting on punk shows.

The chief of the LAPD, Daryl Gates, who was the second longest tenured LAPD police chief in history, credit for the creation of SWAT teams and who militarized LAPD. He's going on television, singling out and disparaging punks and punk music. Black Flag is creating radio ads, poking fun at him at Daryl Gates. Can you talk about the relationship and sort of like the police and authority and, you know, authority figure, like overlords upon the punk scene at this time because it seemed like, like, it was a real obstacle.

Well, one of the things that was happening with LAPD and especially Daryl Gates, who was, he would be, if it wasn't Pete Hegseth, it would be Daryl Gates. Yeah. So he's one of these. We're fortunate that Daryl Gates passed away when he did. Too late. Our favorite thing with the LAPD was the fact that they had a tank. I don't know how many they had, but they called them the battering ram, which is basically they were used mostly in south central L.A.

like to bust down the walls of the crack house. Yeah. And after them destroying a few family homes, they, I think, backed off a bit. I received some shit from them. I did something really bad. I will admit that what happened to me, I brought upon myself. Okay. I didn't need to be treated the way they treated me,

being cuffed and dragged by the cuffs face down through a dirt parking lot and then propped up against the side of one of their unmarked vehicles. and what it turned out to be was it was a drill amongst all of the new recruits and the station commander had them all line up and it was kind of like a gauntlet where they each one of them marched by and got to hit me with whatever they could hit me with whether they were going to kick me or punch me. I did get hit a couple of times with batons.

Is this just because you're a punk or are they like, we got the circle jerks guy? No, it was, they didn't know who I was. Before they even did what they did to me, they'd put me in the chokehold, which what it does is it cuts off the oxygen to your brain. So when I came to, I don't know how long I would. was out. Before they put the choke hold on me, I was able to, like, smile at Greg Robo and Chuck as they were driving out of the parking line. These guys just be leaving you. Yeah. Yeah. Two for two, man. What the fuck? One more. It's a strike. Yeah. Get out of here. So, anyways, they line up. They're

kicking me, trying to kick me in the balls, trying to punch me in the face. There's about 30 of them. I'm able to pretty much, I'm able to move around. It's not like they grabbed me by my hair or whatever and made

me feel the blunt of or the brunt or whatever the, you know, full force of all over shit. Yeah. But they ended up driving me down the freeway. And I'm in the commander's car. And the commander is talking to me as we're driving down the freeway.

He said, you've got a few choices. Your first choice, we can pull over and beat you to a pulp and leave you on the side of the road here on the highway, on the freeway. And you can fend for yourself. Of course, I would be in a neighborhood that a white guy doesn't walk through at two in the morning. They said, we could pull over, have you changed the tire on our car and leave you on the side of the road. Or we'll take you to jail. And I ended up in county jail. And it was kind of pathetic because all of the ethnic groups are all separated.

Not because the police want them separated. It's just, you know, the white people are going to hang out with the white people, like the black people are going to hang out with the black people. I end up hanging out with this Mexican kid who had a hicky that went all the way around his neck. It, like, covered his neck. He had a crazy night. Well, he got his ass kicked because he was fucking his girlfriend in his car on the side of the road. And the police saw the car and they pulled over and they're tapping on the window. And he tells the police, I'll deal with you when I'm through.

Jeez. Kind of fucking awesome. What causes the Circle Jerks to eventually slow down and break up in 1989? I want to say it goes back to bad religion. You know, and one of the things that's happened with this band is all of the guys in the band have always had other things that they were doing. Yeah. Except in the very beginning when it was like all for one and one for all, let's do this. Let's be this.

This is who we are. But over the years, you know how we talked about Greg splitting to become a full-time member of bad relationships. I guess we could go back to bad religion. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Because that was no control year. Suffer had just exploded the year before. Yeah, they were taking off.

They were doing it. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, they were going to end up buying Greg like two or three houses. Good for him. Good for him. Bad for the rest of them. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sorry, man. After 50 years of ups and downs and experiencing everything, the world of music has to offer everything. How would you describe? Well, we never were nominated for a gram. Oh. So that's what's left? We've got this new EP.

We got the new NIRS breakdown. There was a point in time where I thought I was being clever. And my joke was because we were told we were going to be. nominated for a Grammy. For what? For a golden shower of hits because the guy that designed the album cover had won a Grammy

for the Super Tramp Breakfast in America album cover. It is a great album cover. It's based on the Statue of Liberty. I mean, the Circle Dricks won. Oh, who wouldn't love the piss on some gold records? That was my idea. Of course, I got no credit for it. Our friend said, I can get it nominated for a Grammy.

And I said, well, I would take my Grammy and I would trade it for a couple of grams. Hey. Hey, oh, good shit. What I was going to ask was, how would you describe your personal relationship with music today after spending your whole life in this world? Well. You love music, you have said. You're a fan of music.

I still love music. Zander and I are making baby steps in an effort to create a new album. It's been 30 years since we put out any music. Yeah. Original music, you know? Yeah. Because we got Revenge of the Nervous Breakdown out November 20th. Where does hosting the West Coast punk rock radio station

and Grand Theft Auto5 rank in your list of personal accomplishments? I would say for voiceover work, because I've done some voiceover work, it wasn't as fun as fighting one of the teenage mutant ninja turtles. Yeah, how could it be? I mean, you know, that one got me tossed into the radioactive bog. But I was rescued. Okay. Thank God.

Because the, oh, geez. Which turtle? You're trying to figure out which turtle was? Yeah, I'm trying to think of which turtle it was. But he pulled me out of the bog and said, you're going to help me defeat the evil monster that's... Were you doing like your voice for this? Yeah.

Were you like, sure, man. That's awesome. Well, I had to be more of, it had to be more like a creature. Okay. Yeah. Very cool. You had to creature it up a little bit. Well, with the GTA stuff, I mean, this game

has made more money than any movie or any album. Any piece of media ever, right? It has made more money than anything. Are there residuals for this? Are you aware of this? No. No, it was just a one-day pay day. Jesus fucking Christ.

And it took me like 20 minutes to do it. Really? Yeah. How scripted was that? It was scripted. the guy I sat with the creator of Grand Theft Auto. He was a really cool guy. My complaint was that one of my best friends' son, seven-year-old son, was playing it.

And I sat and watched the kid play a character that runs down the sidewalk and beats an old lady over the head with a pipe. But this is the classic argument of, is this the parent's fault or is this the game's fault, you know? That was the conversation that I got in with the creator. And he said, you know what? We create it. We put it in the box.

Once it's taken out of the box, we have no control over any of that. It says 17 plus on the cover. It's a parental thing where the parents, could give a shit about the seven-year-old getting in a gunfight and stealing somebody's car and being chased by the police. I'm on the game developer side here. Because as a guy, like my dad was very trusting, you know? That game, the one that I'm in five, the first day that it was out, it did about $80 million.

dollars. That's not even anywhere fucking close to where it ended up just the first weekend. No, it has made more money than any piece of media ever. And you're part of that, so that's pretty cool.

I wish you got more money. Hey, I went to a high school reunion and one of my friends said, so what have you done lately? And I said, well, I just got through being a voice on Grand Theft Auto 5 and he just about fucking fell out of his chair.

Rightfully so. He said, you know, that that's the biggest selling thing anybody's ever created. Thanks to you. Okay, well, getting back to my voiceover work, I have another piece. Tell me. Where I play a character named Hoodie, who's part of a motorcycle gang. The show is called Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go. And what had happened was one of my good buddies worked for Walt Disney.

And he was in charge of Walt Disney Saturday morning, all of the programming on the Disney channel. Right. Which is, you know, when it comes to, yeah, it's like it does, if you're somebody that works in that, that's like the biggest thing you can do. Yeah, you want. What Walt Disney did was they went to all of these people and said, okay, you're dealing with all of these kids show. We're going to allow you to do an adult cartoon, which we will show on Monday night at 11 p.m. So they came up with this super robot monkey team Hyperforce Go, which is basically a takeoff of Johnny Sop. and, which is a really popular Japanese show where it's the giant robot, the good, the good robot.

And like the mighty morphin power rangers where they're like all of the different colored characters. One of one of the voices is, oh, who's the, he was in the Lost Boys. Um, he's the freak. Oh, uh, Corey Feldman. Corey Feld. Yeah. He's also, who's also a Ninja Turtle voice. Right.

Yeah. True. So, um, anyways, he's one of the characters. But my scenario is, I'm in a bike gang. You can't see my face because I'm like a skull type thing. Yeah. But we're a bike gang. And the leader of the bike gang is a big lesbian.

in Yeti. Oh, they're looking. Okay. Yeah. And in this episode, I get tossed off my bike and I get electrocuted

on electric fence. And that was... You die? Yeah. Oh, man. R.P. Can you tell us the saga legally of forming flag in 2013 and how that went?

Are those proceedings proceeded? Okay, well, what happened with that was Gary McDaniel, Chuck the Duke, was asked by Gary Tovar to give a speech at the Golden Voice 30-year anniversary. And Gary said, well, I'll get back to you. I've got to think about this. And when he got back to Gary Tovar, who is the main guy at Golden Voice, He said, how about if we do a black flag extravaganza? So Gary's thinking, I'm going to call Ron Reyes up in Vancouver and we'll fly him down.

And we'll talk to Dezo, Descadena, who lives in New Jersey at that time. He was living in New Jersey. And we'll fly him out. And we'll get a hold of Henry Rollins. well, wherever Henry was, I think he was still in Hollywood. He might have still been here in Hollywood. And all play bass, and then we'll have Keir get up and play some songs. Because the idea was that Billy Stevenson and Stefan Egerton,

who is the guitar player and the descendants, they're already playing. They're the headliners. So what we would do is we would just, do our thing right before the descendants play. And the logistics were, there was no money. So, you know. How was there no money? Golden Voice, there's no money?

No money. I think they have all the money now. Not for what Chuck had in mind. Yeah, I see. So it was like, we end up talking to Billy. Billy talks to Stefan. Chuck talks to me. and I rehearsed with Chuck, vocal and bass rehearsal.

And then we decided, well, we're not going to be able to play a bunch of songs. So let's just play the first EP. I said, no problem. These people will dig it. They'll go apeshit. And Golden Voice advertised that Black Flag was going to Amateur move Not really

Because Because they'd already Done the two nights Of black flag At the Hollywood Pallade But was there already Some kind of like Issue of legality

In terms of who owned the name Or anything? Was this established? We weren't worried about that Okay We were just gonna jump up You're not not black flag So I guess

You're gonna jump up and play some songs Yeah Yeah Yeah. you know and just let it pass and let everybody have a great time yeah and um we got through playing the place went fucking ape shit right it was ridiculous we got through playing we dried off went backstage the four of us were standing together and we looked at each other and we said you know what we this is a blast we should do this yeah and as as we're

conversing, the circle jerks booking agent happens to be standing there. And so it's like, I'm looking at him and I'm going, so what do you think? Can you, can you book us some shows? He said, no fucking problem. Yeah. He said, yeah, 10%, 10%. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yes.

20. Yeah. Ching, ching, ching, chag. He's seeing stakes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we start playing shows. And Greg Ginn is pissed off about it.

Because people are like, well, we just saw Greg Ginn's black flag and they're horrible. And people are going, these guys, they mean it. They sound like they are black flag. and we were having a great time. We ended up doing a U.S. tour, and we ended up doing a European tour. And, you know, we're on buses. Hey. You know.

And, you know, we're all just, we're excited. Yeah. And at a certain point, Henry Rollins is, he was the first one to be. be served. And Henry, who was not a part of it. Just in case? Or just Greg?

I don't know why they went after Henry because apparently Chuck Henry and I had a meeting where we were going to. The plan was, we know where Spot is. Spot has all of the master tapes for all those records. So it's like we'll track down Spot. We'll give him some money because he's obviously going to be wanting some money. We'll give him some money. We'll have to cook the tapes or bake the tapes,

which is the very last thing that can happen to. Where you literally have to bake them. an oven. Yeah. Yeah. Remix them. Remaster them. And we'll put out,

everything will come in a gatefold. And what will happen is everybody that, everybody that, um, participated on the recording of the records. Yeah. Keep gateful. We'll,

we'll write like, well, this is what I was going through. This is what I thought. You know, this is what I think of this record. And there'll be photos. There'll be flyers.

See, Joe hears this in the other room just... Yeah. Now he's seeing the stakes. Well, Henry had somehow managed to end up getting the tapes. Uh-huh. But this was later. This didn't happen when we wanted it to go down. And apparently, the first thing that needed to happen

was we needed to get permission from Greg Ginn. and Greg Ginn wasn't having it to the point where he was now hearing all of the flag feedback. Yes. Yeah. And he was not having it. So he then projected, he mixed up that project

and the flag touring outfit into one and served Henry. Well, Henry was the first one to be served. And then served everybody. There was paperwork to be served to all of us. Yeah. How didn't we get served? I know. It's coming.

After the side, it's coming. I had never received royalties. So at one time, I was kind of pissed off. And my train of thought was... You never received royalties. Well, I'm receiving royalties now. Yeah. Fuck, yeah.

You know, but it only cost me $40,000. Sure. I, you know, I was playing and off. And it was like we'd go on a tour. I'd come back and I'd have maybe $5,000. Yes. And I couldn't really afford that. So I'd never received royalties.

In the process of all of this going to court and our lawyer working with us and telling us, I can't deal with all of you. I'll deal with a couple of you. Okay. If you have anything that you need to ask me or say to me, you have to call me on Saturday morning when I'm raking leaves. Because if I talk to you while I'm in the office, it's going to cost you a minimum $1,500.

Yeah, yeah. Classic. At a certain point, because they'd gone back and forth, they'd gone to court like a couple of times. Each time we won, the judge was like, well, these are the guys, these are the guys doing the right thing. Their lawyer, he owns part of SST, decided one day he was going to call our lawyer. And the conversation, it was extremely lopsided. the way that it went down when our lawyer told us was he said that we're not even halfway through all of these proceedings.

We're going to make it cost your guys $500,000. And that's when he came to us and said, guys, you don't have this kind of money. We're at the end of this. So we're just, we're going to deal with it. We're going to sort it out. And I end up getting royalties. Now, they're, they're not much. And they don't account for all the royalties you had it been receiving for 40 years.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And my bonus was that I was going to start receiving merch money. and can't sell anything if you're not pressing it up. Right. So my royalties, I could take you guys to dinner maybe. I love that.

We could go over to in and out. All right. Wow, man, I can't. What a saga. It's hard to be. So, but is there anything keeping flag from playing whenever you want, wherever you want? Just Chuck? Just Chuck.

Chuck. Chuck's wife. Chuck's wife, come on. She's concerned about his health because of his age. And he's pretty active. Come on, Chuck's wife. I'm sure you're lovely, but the people want to see flag, okay? All right.

We're going to wind this down now. I got some rapid fire questions for you. Okay. And, you know, you can keep this one word, first word, first thought. We'll do this fast, all right? Rapid. Before I get to the big question. What early hardcore band deserves more credit than they got?

Right off the top of my head, the bad brains. Outstanding. They should have been superstars. Yep. Best Black Flag song. I'm going to say Paralyze, which is later Henry Rollins track. It's my favorite Rollins track. Cool.

Cool fucking answer, man. Worst Black Flag song. Just kidding. Best Circle Jerks song. beat me senseless. What a fucking cool answer. Yeah. It's so good.

Great song. I have another answer, but it's a cover song. It's a song written by two of my friends. A guy named Tito Lariva, who was in a band called The Plugs, and a guy named Chris D. Chris Dejardons, who worked at Slash Records, Slash Magazine, and was in a band called The Flesh Eaters. They co-wrote a song called I, I, I, and I. Right. This is the only song you were playing off that record recently, right?

I believe. I think so. That's a great song. It's a great song. Great answer. We'll count them. We'll count it. Best man you've ever played with.

How about not a band, but like one of the guys that helped create rock and roll, Chuck Berry. He said the same thing about Circle Jerks. Yes, he did. One of the best rock bands he'd ever seen. So cool. He's played with a few. rock bass place. I would say that cap you're wearing, you can

tip that thing. Put a feather in it, maybe. Best drummer you've ever played with. That's difficult because all of the drummers we played with You're fortunate. They're all great drummers. And Joey's kind of

the second coming of Lucky in a way. You know what? We would not be doing what we're doing if Joey wasn't playing with us. Period. Joey is He's an He's inspiring to be around

Yeah Well And I've never been He's also An extremely beautiful human being He's one of the loveliest people ever

His kids are just Amazing Can't say enough Great things about That gentleman Great answer You don't have to answer This one

But we're going to do it anyway Most Overrated Punk band I want to say The Sex Pist The record is great, but they were, part of the vibe was they were just, well, I'll take this guy from over here and put them here, and I'll take this guy from over there. And their record is, it's an, that record is an A. It's like, you know, there was the great rock and roll swindle where in certain parts, in certain, bits of the movie, they're cartoon characters. Yeah.

Understood. Worst show you've ever played. You know, normally when something like that happens, you put it out of your mind. Best show you've ever played. The night we had to deal with the skinheads in Cincinnati, the young Aryan youth movement is... Wait. They're based across the bridge in Kentucky. Yep.

I want to say is it, Louisville. Mm-hmm. And they showed up. There was like, like 20 of them, 30 of them. And they formed an island in the middle of the pit. And they were punching kids, knocking kids down. They weren't doing that to any of the, like, bigger, husky or

better built guys because they would have got fucking creamed. But they kept knocking these kids down and nobody really did anything. A certain point they started doing their Zieg heiling and of course my response to them was it didn't work

back then why would it work now? But they kept fucking with the kids. They kept fucking with the people that weren't going to be able to fight back. And at one point, security guys had maybe seen these guys behave like this before and didn't really do anything about it. This particular time, they decided, we're going to start pummeling

these motherfuckers. Yeah. Yeah. And it looked like a slaughter. Normally, we don't want violence at our shows. because we're having a good time. Yeah. We don't want our, we don't want our party fucked with. Yeah. But these guys, these guys were the guys that played at the University of Cincinnati,

who were obviously either offensive linemen or defensive linemen on the football team. And what happens with some of these security guys, they show up, they want, they want some shit to go out. Big time. Yeah. But these guys, they weren't looking for trouble. They found it. The trouble presented itself.

Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, fuck those guys. Good answer. A song you wish you wrote. Joni Mitchell's both sides now. You're speaking to me there. You should put that on Circle Jerks album number seven?

Yeah. Hard to keep track. Yeah. Well, there's so many more I could rattle. Yeah, no. And you've covered a lot of them, so I understand. Did you go to Sound and Fury Fest specifically to see peeling flesh? That is...

Tell me about your fascination with peeling flesh. They're actually a really interesting band. The drummer... He's great. The drummer is... is the most musically inclined because he also plays a couple of other instruments. He's not just a drummer, but he plays with like some classical people. Wow.

Yeah. Certified P.F. Head. Yep. You hear that, guys? Unbelievable. Phantom music. At 71, still sounding great, still looking great. What other than a Grammy to trade for?

gram. What is left to accomplish? That would be two or three grams. Okay. Right. Of course. Apologies. What is left to accomplish for Keith Morris? Well, there's some places that I would love to play. Love that. Like, um, Constantinople, you know, Turkey. Right. Yeah. Morocco. Yes. I've been in some movies i've actually helped finance a movie nice i wish that i had a never-ending supply of cash because i'm sitting on like three movies that i would like to make i want to make a solo album what what describe What kind of music? What? What?

The way that I would describe it is there would be a violin, a cello. There would be flute, saxophone. There would be melitron. Uh-huh. There will be Hammond organ. There would be sitar. Yeah. And there would be, well, probably a couple of songs with a children.

Choir. Choir. Cool. Which I could go to the Silver Lake Music Conservatory. Totally. Yeah. Let's get that going. Yeah.

You want to make a world music album? No, because I don't like world music. Yeah. Yeah. No, Colin. Just instruments from around the world. I was in a musical organization called Midget Handjob. You sure were.

And what we would do every time we play, because we had crates filled with stuff that we found in the trash, stuff that we bought at Home Depot. We had a big empty five-gallon water bottle with nuts and bolts and screws and washers and bongos. We had like two or three different sets of bongos. We just dump it on the floor in front of the stage. And whoever wanted to accompany us were more than welcome to. Yeah. So Midget Handjob was...

It started to turn into World Beat. Right. And I don't like World Beat. I have not heard you really talk about a thing you don't like until world music came up. No, I love, like, Tenorarium. You've heard them. I love that stuff. Okay.

Yeah. Where they just get on their camels and just go around the desert and play wherever they feel like playing. Sure. I love that. I just, I was listening to. Like Paul Simon Graceland. How does that? I can't stand that.

Yeah. Yeah. I like Simon and Garfunkel in bits and pieces. I don't like, the reason I don't like Paul Simon is, because the way he treated Art Garfunkel. Many are saying this. Freddie Mercury did the same thing to Roger Taylor. There's the scene in the Queen movie

where they're in the studio and Roger Taylor's doing some vocals and the vocals aren't high enough for Freddie Mercury. Like Freddie Mercury wasn't singing all of the high bits. That was Roger Taylor. He was the one that could get up here. Interesting. Yeah.

Great answer. So Paul Simon did this same thing to Art Garfunkel. Hello Darkness. His old friend. That's right. I had a friend that went to see Crosby Stills Nash. No, Young. And Young.

Oh, okay. I believe it was up at the Greek theater. Yep. And they're playing these songs. My friend said, I'm hearing this other voice that's singing along with all of these songs. And he looks over and a couple of seats away from him is Art Garfun. What the fuck. Singing like.

Harmony. Yeah. Like another harmony. Oh? That's fucked up. You just gave me. Yeah, that's crazy. You just gave me chills.

Nobody will ever believe him. Yeah. Keith Morris, we have just one final question for you. Could you tell us your top four hardcore records of all time? No. Here's what I will do. Okay. I'll give you some hardcore songs.

If you want to call them hardcore songs. I do. We have Wright Brigade by the Bad Brains. We have small man big mouth by minor thread. We have, you probably won't consider them a hardcore band. But it's kind of in this, when I was talking about the seeds and love and the standals still in Hollywood by concrete blonde. Okay. And they're not a hardcore punk rock band.

Sure. But every now and then, a band. and gets up there. Yeah. That's punk music. Yeah. Yeah. All hell breaks loose.

Misfits. Great pick. Yeah. I guess I'm unprepared. Would it be safe to... I made notes. Would it be safe to say that if you were going to have a top four, that the germs would surely be in it?

I would put forming, which is not really a hardcore song. I mean, you know. Gazinnah, because splitting hairs, you know. Yeah, splitting hairs. It's on these notes. You know what? We talked about Black Flag paralyzed. Yeah.

I just told you minor threat, small man big mouth, bad brains right, right brigade. Love that thing. And the kids that Greg Hetson played with, the McDonald brothers. I hate my school. Fuck, yeah. Where would we be without I hate that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, what an incredible chat, Keith. What an incredible life. Life. Okay, well, I'm going to tell you where you can send the check.

Yes. Keith, can't thank you enough for joining us. And for all the work you've done for paving the way for us. Well, you guys did a lot of homework. That's what we do. How often do these? Once a week. Really? Yeah, I'm very tired. Keith. But it's not every day I have somebody like you sitting here. It's actually no day that I have someone like you sitting here. You did this. Yeah, there's no one like you.

You're the first one. Okay. It's an honor. So thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you. Thanks, Keith. Revenge of the Nervous Breakdown is out November 20th. The Circle Jerks album number seven

is coming eventually. Johnny Mitchell's both sides now will be on it and we look forward to hearing that. Keith, unbelievable. Joni Mitchell's both sides now will not be. That's what he says now, but listen, he's changed his mind before. If you want to sign off, say some final words to the people. There would be your camera there. Well, hey, thanks for hanging out.

Thanks for paying attention. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. I've had a blast. Thank you guys. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Keith Morris. We'll see you next week, everybody. Bye.

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